December 4, 2024 • 28 mins
Drew Brees stops by The Herd to talk about the late hit on Trevor Lawrence, Bo Nix so far this season, the right coach for the Chicago Bears, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Thirteen Pro Bowls in twenty years, probably the most accurate
thrower of the football in the history of the league.
Eligible for the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty six.
He's our friend Drew Brees, who's been a regular on
this show this year and we've loved every second of it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
He's joining us now live, so it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Brady was on yesterday and we talked about the late hit,
and I kind of sided a little bit with Tom
that you basically all the rules have changed. They're against defense.
Defensive players don't get paid like offensive players. And I'm
sitting there and thinking, Okay, I know it's a late hit.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
On Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I get it, but man, those defensive guys when when
you don't slide early, I get them going hard and
fast Or am I just wrong? And that's just a
bad hit and he should be out of the league
for six games. How do you view the Trevor Lawrence hit.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, Look, it's difficult to play defense nowadays given these rules,
because you have to think about how you're wired back there, right,
you're ready just to light up anything that comes across
the field, and as the quarterback's approaching. I think that's
one of the hardest things because the way the rules are,
you really almost as a defensive player just have to
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sit there flat footed and wait for the quarterback to
make a decision. And you don't want to get embarrassed
as a defensive player. You don't want that quarterback to
all of a sudden decide to lower his shoulder and
run you over, right, So you have to be prepared
to kind of accelerate forward at the same time.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
But I think in this instance, specific to this, you
clearly see you clearly see.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Him kind of put his forearm up and hit Trevor
Lawrence right in the face and then here goes the
head smacking the ground and he's knocked out. Yeah, I
think there has to be that moment where, yes, you're
going to hit him, but the minute you see him slide.
You just you have to elevate yourself up over the
top and avoid that hit. It's not to say that
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there's not going to be these glancing blows, but that
wasn't a glancing blow. Yeah right, that was a forearm
to the face, head smacking the ground like.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
It looked vicious.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
And and I'm sure he looks back on it and said, hey,
I that wasn't my intention.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
You know, I was.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I was just playing ball, but obviously that's not That's
never something you want to see.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So you had success with Sean Payton very quickly. You're
also a smart guy. Bone Nicks rookie year after about
two games boom. I watched him this Monday shootout, and
I'm thinking part of being a great coach is probably
simplifying the complicated. Keith t Leeb told me once this
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about Bill Belichick. He said, I picked it up in
like two games. It's not that hard. He made it simple.
So there's something that you and bow Nicks were able
to pick this Sean Payton's system up pretty quickly, is it?
I mean, why what did Sean do Drew that didn't
take you three years to figure out? Because when I
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watched you play, and I watched the Broncos. I'm like, boy,
there's a lot of sets, there's a lot of motions,
there's a lot of movement, and yet Bow looks very comfortable.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, so I call it order the chaos. You have
to find a way to order the chaos. Look, you've
got a lot of responsibilities as a quarterback. Okay, you're
breaking the huddle, you're looking at the play cop clock,
you're getting up to the ball. You're making sure, first off,
you make sure everybody's set right and they're set properly
right with the right split, understanding what they're supposed to do.
You're trying to gain some defensive recognition. You're trying to
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communicate to the offensive line. Hey, you know, Mike number
fifty two here a lot of time that's instructing them
where we're you know, directing the blocking scheme, whether it's
run or pass. Oh you know what, I need to
change the protection because I feel this pressure. Oh the
clock's running down. Oh I need to change the play.
Oh so and so is not lined up correctly, or
they're giving me these deer in the headlights. Look, so
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they don't know what they're doing. Right, Like, Man, you've
got a lot going on as a quarterback and you
have to find a way to order that chaos. Look,
I love to play with tempo, and I tried to
build that expectation with the guys in our huddle that, man,
we are breaking the huddle, We are up to the ball,
we are getting set.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
If I felt like there.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Was going to be any indecision coming out of the huddle,
I was telling guys exactly where to go.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Hey, Mike Thomas, line up outside edge. Hey, make sure
you get your depth here. Hey, Alvin Kamara, you might
have to get out of this route a little bit faster. Man,
I'm on you, number one, Like, get open.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Like There's just little things that I think would reinforce
to them what they were doing, but also was it
was a bit of a confidence thing too. But I
think for bow Look, he's an intelligent player. There's a
reason they drafted him where they drafted him, And there's
reason Sean Payton loved him so much. His level of experience,
his level of confidence, his level of preparation, his his
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his intellectual capabilities. And I've seen that progress throughout this season.
Here what they've put on his plate his ability to process,
how he's getting through progressions, how he's delivering the ball
on time, and he's just he's running.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
This offense with a lot of confidence. I'm watched.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I watched the little things, the body language, the way
he interacts with his teammates, the way he gets in
and out of the huddle, what he does when he
gets the sideline, and you just see a guy who's
mature beyond his years. And look, even in that last
game against the Browns, I didn't think the Broncos played
that great on offense. You know, I mean they got
they got too. They had two interception returns for touchdowns
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that really won them the game. Yeah, but I think
it was the recognition of that, Like when I watched
bow Nix's interviewed thing the games, like, hey.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
You know, we did enough to win at the end
of the day.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
When they had a chance to go down and kick
a field goal to take the lead, they did that,
and just like they did it against Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
And I know they got that kick block.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But nonetheless, you see the maturation with Bo as well
in Hey, despite what happens in the game, when you
have a chance to win at the end, you go
and you make the play. You put yourself in your
team in a position to win, and I think that's
where I've been the most impressed.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You had a very good college coach, Joe Tiller. I
remember that well, and then you have Sean Payton, both
offensive guys, and I look at the Bears and I
think to myself, Oh, you got to give him an
offensive coach. But yet Brady had a defensive coach. There's
been a lot of I mean, there's been a lot
of great Super Bowl quarterbacks who have defensive coaches. But
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the world has changed, and I do think it's an
advantage having Andy Reid Sean Payton to Mike McDaniel. For
TUA has changed in his career. You tell me, go back,
you go to high school. Whatever the sensibility is. You
were lucky, college and pro you had their different guys.
Do you think it's really important for Caleb, who's a
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bit lost now and he's trying to get his footing,
to have an offensive coach. Does it change the temperature
of the building, the sensibility. I mean, Russell Wilson's flourishing
with Pete Carolyn Tomlin. Those are defensive Guys, if you
were Chicago, Caleb, would you lean to an offensive coach?
Does it matter, Drew, Look.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Whether that's an offensive head coach or whether that's just
someone who is really responsible for his growth and development.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, certainly you need that person.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And look, that may be a veteran backup quarterback as
opposed to you know, relying on a coach that be
the person at the end of the day. To me,
what that is and I think what every quarter back
would tell you about them early in their career is
that they needed someone to help them develop great habits,
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great disciplines, and great process. And so whether that's a coach,
whether that's an experienced veteran backup quarterback who can just
be there with you every practice in the meeting rooms,
like on game day, that that voice of wisdom and
experience and reason for you, a little bit of that
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buffer for you with you know, with others in the
organization Like that's I think every young quarterback needs that person.
And so whether that's a coach or a veteran quarterback, yes,
I absolutely would say Caleb Berni, young quarterback needs a
guy like that.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So the Packers' Lions play tomorrow in one of the
better Thursday night games. So division rivalries are interesting. I
want you to go back to Saints Falcons or Saints Panther,
Saints bucks Is and on a short week especially so
you know that you know what they're going to run.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You know the thing. Did you like.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Standalone games? Did you like Thursdays? Did you like division games?
Did they feel different to you? I mean, god, how
many times did you face Atlanta in your career and
you know you've been to Did you like that? Or
did you like the freshness or somebody that didn't know
every tick and the Drew Breeze catalog of tricks? Or
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did you like playing teams you knew?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
These games were more difficult? Really, these games were more
difficult just because of the level of familiarity between divisional opponents,
and especially when it's divisional opponents that are the caliber
that you know Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
And Detroit are.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, the caliber of quarterback, the caliber of team, the
caliber of coach, because there is so much familiarity that
going into the game, you were thinking about, well, man,
they know us really well, right, they know all the
ease tendencies, So they know that I know that we
know that they know like you go through that whole exercise,
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and at the end of the day, it comes down
to we need to be so on point with our execution,
like this needs to be a flawless execution type of game.
And and so that really became the emphasis in all
of those those divisional games, especially the ones that are
prime time and the ones that have so much meaning
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right given were these guys' status in their division right
now and fighting for a division title. So I found
that these were some of the most difficult games just
because it really came down to flawless execution given all
the all the factors.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Finally, we have video of you with Johnny Manziel at
the AM Texas game. The stat I want to roll
this first of all because I haven't seen this yet,
So let's roll these guys in the back. So you
always wanted to be an Aggie, They didn't recruit you,
and you went on to an unbelievable All American career
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at Purdue. Why did you always want to be an Aggie?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So both my parents went to Texas A and m Wow,
and I grew up in Austin, Texas, which is ironic
is literally universe was right down the Road, and I
used to walk to University Texas games at Memorial Stadium
and by scalp tickets in the cheap seats there to
watch the UT play in the early nineties.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But I loved I loved text A and M. And
I was kind of an outsider in Austin being an
Aggie fan. But that was just and look.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
A and M always had the reputation as being, you know,
a tough, hard nosed football program, great defensive lineman, great linebackers,
defensive ends, running backs, tight ends. Yes, they certainly weren't
known for their quarterbacks of their passing game, right, and
so I always kind of wanted to be that guy
that would you know, you know, bring A and M
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into the next generation, you know, with their evolution of.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
The passing game.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And unfortunately I wasn't wasn't offered by them and had
to go out of state to Purdue. But it's funny,
cause I tell people now, it's the best thing that
ever happened to me. You know, I would have I
would have probably spent most of my career handing the
ball off to you know, Dante Hall and some of
these other guys at text A and M. And said
I got to go up and play for Joe Tiller
at Perdue and throw the ball fifty times a game, so.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I think it worked out.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Okay, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
There was a game against Wisconsin purduing Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Do you remember that one? How many times you're throwing
that one?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, nineteen ninety eight, first night game at Wisconsin, the
first time they played jump around going into the fourth
quarters as a little history lesson for everybody. And we
threw the ball eighty three times in that game. And
I watched Rod Day and rush for about two fifty
of the ball, so we were just trying.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
We were just playing keep up.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Eighty three times.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
That's like five weeks for some of these program That's incredible.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Drew Brees, Yeah, it's basically two minute drove the whole game.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well, Joe Tayler liked to throw it. Great seniors. Ooa's man,
love the stories.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Good seeing you, Drew, you tool, thanks man.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, you can YouTube that one first night game at
Camp Randall jump around, first time they play. You've never
been to a game at Camp Randall, by the way,
and a Saturday night that is that is one of
the all time places. That is, that is all time
stuff there.
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Speaker 3 (13:38):
Let's do j Maak with the news.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the
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Speaker 6 (13:48):
I haven't been there, but a place I'd like to
go is SMU. Colin, How about SMU? They are an
interesting story. The college football rankings came out last night,
SMUs in prime position to get in there in the
a SEC Championship game against Iowa State. However, athletic directors
are now squabbling on social media. In a major surprise,
the Iowa State ad tweeted that SMU hasn't played anybody,
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basically saying strength the schedule clearly doesn't matter. Well, SMU
AD replied, get off my law and look at how
fired off these guys are.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
This is interesting. I just read an article that said
SMU's currently in the playoff, why should they play in
the a SEC Championship game? But it can only hurt
them if they happen to lose to Clemson.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Are they They're gonna get booted?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Now?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
It's very weird, but this is where we are in
college football. Obviously, more teams being involved is interesting. I
mean nobody, SMU's never been a factor, Iowa State has
never been a factor in like the last what twenty years?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, listen, we got We went from arguing that the
number five teams should be in to the number thirteen
teams should be in.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So it's like I said this for years. It doesn't matter.
The arguments aren't gonna go away.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
The difference is the teams arguing to get in or
worse than they were the previous twenty years worse.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
But the transfer portal has changed things obviously for the
NIL has changed things. Yeah, this is at a neutral site,
sm used minus two and a half Saturday night? Is
this this is musty TV for you?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Or probably not? I know it's a long day of
college football.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Well, I'm with my wife, so I will watch element
parts of these games. I thought the Penn State Oregon
line was a little interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I have to talk about that one tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah. I liked Oregon and that was the first game
I looked at it. There's also look at the reference
to you, George's playing Texas Georgia Texas.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yeah, the Remax.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I like the over. Georgia played eight over times.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They're all banged up and exhausted defensively, and Texas had
a bad offensive bounding against A and M.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Get the over on Texas Georgia. Oh, I love.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
That giving on gambling tidbits. Next up, Oh, let's go
to baseball. SO one is the big free agent prize.
And yesterday, at Blake Snell's introductory press conference, so DOA's agent,
Scott Boris said, we've had meetings with a number of franchises.
We've begun to eliminate teams. One is a methodical thinker,
so we'll see. I don't think anything is imminent in
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the near future. Soto has received five contract offers. Are
you ready for this? Yeah, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Blue Jays,
and Red Sox.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, there's no reason to go to Toronto and give
more of your money away.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
With what their taxes, the taxes, you just become like
a tax crouch. I'm not a grouch. I'm just telling
you the truth. Who cares? Have you gotta pay taxes?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
What's a big deal? Toronto's a beautiful city apparely.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I mean, I've been there in decades. I'm not denying it,
but if I could play, you just poop pooed Toronto.
I do that a lot with the Raptors.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
I don't want Cooper Flag going to the Raptors. Sorry,
Wan Soda is in a division where you playing the
Yankees playing the Red Sox. You know interesting that three
teams Yankees Moujay's Red Sox all.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I know that I would want to play for a
team that's got other great players. I don't want a
Joey Bodo or a Joe Mauer situation.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You're Kevin Durant. You want to go.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I want to know in baseball, I want I want
Mookie Betts hitting in front of me and Freddie Freeman
hitting behind me. In the Yankees, I want John Carlos
standing behind me, Aaron Judge in front of me. I
want to go somewhere where I've got great players around me.
I don't want to be the chandelier and the hundred
million dollar empty mansion like I I want to have
guys hitting in front of me. I want to get fastballs.
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I want to get hit able pitches. And that's why,
you know, people can complain about all this stuff. But
if you're a great player. I would rather take a
little less money, So I'm not an angry tax guy.
I would take a little less money to have better
hitters in front of me and behind me.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
So if Red Sox go to six hundred million and
the Yankees are holding fervid like.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
A pondres by the way, could I have Could I
have hitting And in front of me is the rookie
centerfield or Merril, and behind me is Machado or something.
But you know, I think you get better pitches when
you have the right situation.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
So you don't think money is an object here, Well.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I think money is an object. That's why I would
say I'm not going to give away one hundred million
over seven years to a country with the taxes. But
I would be willing to take less if I felt
like I was at a well run organization that was
well capitalized, that could put good people around me, like
Bryce Harper's got power hitters in front, power hitters behind.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
That's the way to do it.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Interesting Philly not listed among a contract offer team, that
would be it?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
What they've got their power? Guy? They got Bryce?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Can you ever have enough power? Guy?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, I mean I think the Yankees had two power guys,
but they had holes in their lineup.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
All right, final story is emerging here in the last
few hours.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I don't know what to make of this. Okay, So.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Lincoln Riley struggling at USC. We know that UCF now
as a coaching opening, and they have reportedly, according to
The Athletic, inquired if Lincoln Riley would leave USC to
coach UCF. What I'm I don't know what you know?
You and I love digging into why is this happening?
So we know Lincoln's here's what's interesting. Why is this
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coming out?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And who's leaking?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Because it's a national letter of intent signing day and
USC had a disappointing class and he's getting heat and
he's somebody on Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
He's trying to steal some recruits from USC.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Maybe no, I don't know. I mean, who would leak this?
Why would I.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Wonder if it's and this is really devious, But like
you know, Oklahoma's still tipped off at the Lincoln Riley
Big Oklahoma in the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh, that that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Takes some jabs like struggle and he doesn't have a
recruits an U c F now by that that's interesting.
So maybe there is a singular player who hasn't sent
his recruiting right notification in and Oklahoma leagu said, hey,
don't sign with the USC. Lincoln, Hey, could we go
to u CF Like that's a good one.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
But I disrespecting UCF.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I think two of my cousins go there or recently graduated.
It's fine, a nice directional school.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Yeah, I mean it's in at USC.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It's not even like a top five school.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And this feels like something somebody. It's the fact that
it landed today on this day tells you it has
something to do with a recruited.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I would I would agree with that, and I'm not
putting down U c F.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Please do I bet you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I bet you one of these schools is going after
USC's five star quarterback and they want this leak and
the kid is sitting there.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I mean, I'm I'm guessing.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It sounds plausible. I mean, but U c F, why
would you try to use that as leverage? I mean,
there's FSU Florida. There's so many good schools. But is
anybody gonna buy this? Should Lincoln Riley step out and
say this is total garbage? I'm saying, a usc should
he say anything or not address it?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think you kind of what if it's Lincoln Riley
saying all you La Fairweather fans, you don't like me.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I got an option, Yeah, but half of them would say,
see you. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'll throw this out there. I'll tell you who would
apply for that job. I know you already, Pete Carroll.
Take five minutes. Pete Carroll's already hovering around the athletic department.
He'd apply for that job in five minutes. And I'll
tell you something La would love it.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Would he not need a contract because he's collecting Social Security?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Or oh, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, I'm telling you right now, Pete Carroll's I think
he's teaching a class there or something.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
He's already around the program.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Come on, I'm telling you it's happening. I'm saying, if
Lincoln left, Pete would be right there. I'm not sure
if jen Con would hire him, but he would inquire tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Pete's got too much energy.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Pete Carroll's got too much energy to sit in the
North Shore, Hawaii in a deck chair. You're not gonna
sit I mean, there's no way, Pete's got a ton
of energy.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He might run for president.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, make me Carroll this that's funny. No, I
think it would be you. Listen, mac Brown went to
Carolina and he stabilized the program. You get a pretty
good run.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, I mean he did a good job with him.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
He got a better job than I didn't know if
mac was gonna work. And I think Pete is viewed
as a higher end coach than mac Brown, and Pete's
energy is to the route.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Might actually happen. I mean, you were at the USC game,
so I'm guessing this.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I'm just telling you the first person to apply, and
he would have major backing from some of the big
donors as Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
And I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm not saying it's a ten year deal, but I'm
saying for three or four years, Pete could build a staff.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I'm sure Lincoln Riley is not at the state in
Pelos Verdes.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's not thrilled.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I'm not saying I'm not try I am commenting on
a report that's already out.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I'm not I didn't start this nonsense.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I know you got a lot of USC guys who
watch the show.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
To better go check my phone. Gosh. J Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
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Speaker 6 (23:17):
App Friday night on Fox, it's a fight for the
Mountain West Conference crown as twentieth rank UNLV takes on
Heisman contender Ashton genty and tenth ranked Boise State. Coverage
begins Friday at seven eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well. USC did not have a good day recruiting. They
did land a five star defensive lineman Edna carr uh oh, no,
excuse me, Jakeim Stewart from that high school in Louisiana.
So there's a story about Lincoln Riley. There's no indication
he's interested in leaving, but UCF is interested in him.
Why would that come out? There's six and six. It's
been a major disappointment. His Southern California recruiting is awful.
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They lost a great linebacker, the best in the state
or best in Southern California to Notre Dame today.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
So it's just been in.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Pete Carroll, by the way, Yogi Roth, who just wrote
a book with Pete Carroll, who coached USC he obviously
coached the Seahawks, says he still wants to coach. Wrote
a book with Pete. He's very very since leaving Seattle.
He has not stopped competing. His energy is coaching is
still there. So the Bears have an opening. You know,
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who knows what's going on with USC. There's there's It's
not that Lincoln Riley. I mean, it's when they lose,
they lose the same way they compete with everybody. They're
not getting blown out. It's not like they don't know
what they're doing. They don't have enough good players. And
the recruiting at USC, in the portal and in high
school has just been very disappointing. And I'm sorry, that's
seventy five percent of the game. And so he inherited
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Bob Stoop's recruiting momentum in Oklahoma, but they have not
done a good job at USC. It's I don't remember
any coach Lane Kiffin, Sark, Pete Carol, Clay Hilton doing
this poorly in southern California. Right now, they have the
thirteenth best class. Now they did land the best defensive
interior a lineman in the country from Louisiana. That is
a huge get. I'm sure that was nil. You know,
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they and that's legal, that's what they do. But they
are just they just have not recruited at the level
you need to to beat Ohio State to be you know,
Georgia and Alabama and Texas. So it's not like it's
been a disaster. They're recruiting at the same level right now,
maybe a little bit better than Washington and Jedfish, but
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USC because they're based in southern California, should be a
top ten recruiting powerhouse. They were during Pete Carroll's day.
So I don't make much of the story about ufs UCF,
but I do think Yogi Roth coming out and Pete
wants to coach. Pete is just high energy, high strung guy.
He's not going to sit around. And by the way,
he was very successful and the one time he went
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to the college ranks, so you know he's out there
and there's a very aggressive have You know, Lincoln Riley's
got ninety million dollars left on his contract. Nobody's buying
that thing out. It's a story. It's something right. What
about the Bears and Pete Carroll?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
What's that? We're talking too much?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Bears?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We need to move on. It's the best opening in
the NFL? Is it not?
Speaker 6 (26:19):
But I said that a week ago and you were
like I did, and.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Then I slept on It had some neuro gum came
to my senses. But it is probably the best job
because of the personnel. It's Chicago.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I listen, You've convinced me to shechdor Sanders. The more
I watch the tape of him, Listen, this kid is
he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Pretty damn good. He's the best college. He's gonna go
number one.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Yeah, Like if he goes to Jacksonville, this whole like
do you move on from Lawrence? If he goes to
Tennessee is all of a sudden Brian Callahan, Man, that
guy knows some offense. If he goes to the Raiders,
Like is that suddenly do they move off of Pierce
and say, Hey, who wants to come coach shdoor Sanders? Like?
I I like what Chicago has. I like the potential
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of Shaduur going somewhere.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well, those are two different stories. He's not going to Chicago.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, he's not going to Chicago.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
But am I taking the Chicago job to coach Caleb
or am I taking the job to go coach Shador Sanders.
If you're Vabel, you want Chicago, which is kind of
ready made, or do you want to go build something
yourself with your new quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'd rather have Caleb. I like their personnel.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I think Chico definitely think they've got They've got talent.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
They literally have the four or five things you need. Weapon,
dominant defensive lineman, elite corner they need, and a quarterback
that's talented. They need to get a great left tackle.
Right now, they have a man left tackle.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
And they'll be drafting probably top ten, is top twelve.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
They have a chance to get Calvin Banks, the best
left tackle Texas in the draft. There's also one from LSU.
There's two great left tackles in the draft, and then
there's one down near the bottom.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
That I just started getting it.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
My first Mox coming out Fox next week, so I've
started to dig in it. You're probably right on Bears
being the best. I mean, I'm probably right since I
said it last week. What about Saints?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is that any anything, any appealing at all. No great city.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
You're just talk going to breeze, he said, some nice things.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I want to go. This whole Lincoln Riley thing is
very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
There we got it's recruiting day, and I'm just gonna
tell you being having connections to USC They've got eighteen
million now in the collective, thirteen to start the year
now eighteen.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
So they can afford a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
They can go by the five best high schoolers. They're
up there with Ohio State, Georgia, and Texas. So the
Boosters want to go by the best players. And they're
Southern California recruiting. They had two guys they thought were
going to them and they lost both of them. It's
it's not good. I'm just telling you. The Momentum is
an article collective.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
To be honest, Huh, are you part of the collecting? No, okay,
maybe I want him
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Thirteen Pro Bowls in twenty years, probably the most accurate
thrower of the football in the history of the league.
Eligible for the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty six.
He's our friend Drew Brees, who's been a regular on
this show this year and we've loved every second of it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
He's joining us now live, so it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Brady was on yesterday and we talked about the late hit,
and I kind of sided a little bit with Tom
that you basically all the rules have changed. They're against defense.
Defensive players don't get paid like offensive players. And I'm
sitting there and thinking, Okay, I know it's a late hit.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
On Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I get it, but man, those defensive guys when when
you don't slide early, I get them going hard and
fast Or am I just wrong? And that's just a
bad hit and he should be out of the league
for six games. How do you view the Trevor Lawrence hit.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, Look, it's difficult to play defense nowadays given these rules,
because you have to think about how you're wired back there, right,
you're ready just to light up anything that comes across
the field, and as the quarterback's approaching. I think that's
one of the hardest things because the way the rules are,
you really almost as a defensive player just have to
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sit there flat footed and wait for the quarterback to
make a decision. And you don't want to get embarrassed
as a defensive player. You don't want that quarterback to
all of a sudden decide to lower his shoulder and
run you over, right, So you have to be prepared
to kind of accelerate forward at the same time.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
But I think in this instance, specific to this, you
clearly see you clearly see.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Him kind of put his forearm up and hit Trevor
Lawrence right in the face and then here goes the
head smacking the ground and he's knocked out. Yeah, I
think there has to be that moment where, yes, you're
going to hit him, but the minute you see him slide.
You just you have to elevate yourself up over the
top and avoid that hit. It's not to say that
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there's not going to be these glancing blows, but that
wasn't a glancing blow. Yeah right, that was a forearm
to the face, head smacking the ground like.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
It looked vicious.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
And and I'm sure he looks back on it and said, hey,
I that wasn't my intention.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
You know, I was.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I was just playing ball, but obviously that's not That's
never something you want to see.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So you had success with Sean Payton very quickly. You're
also a smart guy. Bone Nicks rookie year after about
two games boom. I watched him this Monday shootout, and
I'm thinking part of being a great coach is probably
simplifying the complicated. Keith t Leeb told me once this
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about Bill Belichick. He said, I picked it up in
like two games. It's not that hard. He made it simple.
So there's something that you and bow Nicks were able
to pick this Sean Payton's system up pretty quickly, is it?
I mean, why what did Sean do Drew that didn't
take you three years to figure out? Because when I
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watched you play, and I watched the Broncos. I'm like, boy,
there's a lot of sets, there's a lot of motions,
there's a lot of movement, and yet Bow looks very comfortable.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, so I call it order the chaos. You have
to find a way to order the chaos. Look, you've
got a lot of responsibilities as a quarterback. Okay, you're
breaking the huddle, you're looking at the play cop clock,
you're getting up to the ball. You're making sure, first off,
you make sure everybody's set right and they're set properly
right with the right split, understanding what they're supposed to do.
You're trying to gain some defensive recognition. You're trying to
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communicate to the offensive line. Hey, you know, Mike number
fifty two here a lot of time that's instructing them
where we're you know, directing the blocking scheme, whether it's
run or pass. Oh you know what, I need to
change the protection because I feel this pressure. Oh the
clock's running down. Oh I need to change the play.
Oh so and so is not lined up correctly, or
they're giving me these deer in the headlights. Look, so
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they don't know what they're doing. Right, Like, Man, you've
got a lot going on as a quarterback and you
have to find a way to order that chaos. Look,
I love to play with tempo, and I tried to
build that expectation with the guys in our huddle that, man,
we are breaking the huddle, We are up to the ball,
we are getting set.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
If I felt like there.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Was going to be any indecision coming out of the huddle,
I was telling guys exactly where to go.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Hey, Mike Thomas, line up outside edge. Hey, make sure
you get your depth here. Hey, Alvin Kamara, you might
have to get out of this route a little bit faster. Man,
I'm on you, number one, Like, get open.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Like There's just little things that I think would reinforce
to them what they were doing, but also was it
was a bit of a confidence thing too. But I
think for bow Look, he's an intelligent player. There's a
reason they drafted him where they drafted him, And there's
reason Sean Payton loved him so much. His level of experience,
his level of confidence, his level of preparation, his his
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his intellectual capabilities. And I've seen that progress throughout this season.
Here what they've put on his plate his ability to process,
how he's getting through progressions, how he's delivering the ball
on time, and he's just he's running.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
This offense with a lot of confidence. I'm watched.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I watched the little things, the body language, the way
he interacts with his teammates, the way he gets in
and out of the huddle, what he does when he
gets the sideline, and you just see a guy who's
mature beyond his years. And look, even in that last
game against the Browns, I didn't think the Broncos played
that great on offense. You know, I mean they got
they got too. They had two interception returns for touchdowns
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that really won them the game. Yeah, but I think
it was the recognition of that, Like when I watched
bow Nix's interviewed thing the games, like, hey.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
You know, we did enough to win at the end
of the day.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
When they had a chance to go down and kick
a field goal to take the lead, they did that,
and just like they did it against Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
And I know they got that kick block.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But nonetheless, you see the maturation with Bo as well
in Hey, despite what happens in the game, when you
have a chance to win at the end, you go
and you make the play. You put yourself in your
team in a position to win, and I think that's
where I've been the most impressed.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You had a very good college coach, Joe Tiller. I
remember that well, and then you have Sean Payton, both
offensive guys, and I look at the Bears and I
think to myself, Oh, you got to give him an
offensive coach. But yet Brady had a defensive coach. There's
been a lot of I mean, there's been a lot
of great Super Bowl quarterbacks who have defensive coaches. But
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the world has changed, and I do think it's an
advantage having Andy Reid Sean Payton to Mike McDaniel. For
TUA has changed in his career. You tell me, go back,
you go to high school. Whatever the sensibility is. You
were lucky, college and pro you had their different guys.
Do you think it's really important for Caleb, who's a
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bit lost now and he's trying to get his footing,
to have an offensive coach. Does it change the temperature
of the building, the sensibility. I mean, Russell Wilson's flourishing
with Pete Carolyn Tomlin. Those are defensive Guys, if you
were Chicago, Caleb, would you lean to an offensive coach?
Does it matter, Drew, Look.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Whether that's an offensive head coach or whether that's just
someone who is really responsible for his growth and development.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, certainly you need that person.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And look, that may be a veteran backup quarterback as
opposed to you know, relying on a coach that be
the person at the end of the day. To me,
what that is and I think what every quarter back
would tell you about them early in their career is
that they needed someone to help them develop great habits,
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great disciplines, and great process. And so whether that's a coach,
whether that's an experienced veteran backup quarterback who can just
be there with you every practice in the meeting rooms,
like on game day, that that voice of wisdom and
experience and reason for you, a little bit of that
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buffer for you with you know, with others in the
organization Like that's I think every young quarterback needs that person.
And so whether that's a coach or a veteran quarterback, yes,
I absolutely would say Caleb Berni, young quarterback needs a
guy like that.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So the Packers' Lions play tomorrow in one of the
better Thursday night games. So division rivalries are interesting. I
want you to go back to Saints Falcons or Saints Panther,
Saints bucks Is and on a short week especially so
you know that you know what they're going to run.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You know the thing. Did you like.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Standalone games? Did you like Thursdays? Did you like division games?
Did they feel different to you? I mean, god, how
many times did you face Atlanta in your career and
you know you've been to Did you like that? Or
did you like the freshness or somebody that didn't know
every tick and the Drew Breeze catalog of tricks? Or
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did you like playing teams you knew?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
These games were more difficult? Really, these games were more
difficult just because of the level of familiarity between divisional opponents,
and especially when it's divisional opponents that are the caliber
that you know Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
And Detroit are.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, the caliber of quarterback, the caliber of team, the
caliber of coach, because there is so much familiarity that
going into the game, you were thinking about, well, man,
they know us really well, right, they know all the
ease tendencies, So they know that I know that we
know that they know like you go through that whole exercise,
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and at the end of the day, it comes down
to we need to be so on point with our execution,
like this needs to be a flawless execution type of game.
And and so that really became the emphasis in all
of those those divisional games, especially the ones that are
prime time and the ones that have so much meaning
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right given were these guys' status in their division right
now and fighting for a division title. So I found
that these were some of the most difficult games just
because it really came down to flawless execution given all
the all the factors.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Finally, we have video of you with Johnny Manziel at
the AM Texas game. The stat I want to roll
this first of all because I haven't seen this yet,
So let's roll these guys in the back. So you
always wanted to be an Aggie, They didn't recruit you,
and you went on to an unbelievable All American career
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at Purdue. Why did you always want to be an Aggie?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So both my parents went to Texas A and m Wow,
and I grew up in Austin, Texas, which is ironic
is literally universe was right down the Road, and I
used to walk to University Texas games at Memorial Stadium
and by scalp tickets in the cheap seats there to
watch the UT play in the early nineties.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But I loved I loved text A and M. And
I was kind of an outsider in Austin being an
Aggie fan. But that was just and look.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
A and M always had the reputation as being, you know,
a tough, hard nosed football program, great defensive lineman, great linebackers,
defensive ends, running backs, tight ends. Yes, they certainly weren't
known for their quarterbacks of their passing game, right, and
so I always kind of wanted to be that guy
that would you know, you know, bring A and M
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into the next generation, you know, with their evolution of.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
The passing game.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And unfortunately I wasn't wasn't offered by them and had
to go out of state to Purdue. But it's funny,
cause I tell people now, it's the best thing that
ever happened to me. You know, I would have I
would have probably spent most of my career handing the
ball off to you know, Dante Hall and some of
these other guys at text A and M. And said
I got to go up and play for Joe Tiller
at Perdue and throw the ball fifty times a game, so.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I think it worked out.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Okay, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
There was a game against Wisconsin purduing Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Do you remember that one? How many times you're throwing
that one?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, nineteen ninety eight, first night game at Wisconsin, the
first time they played jump around going into the fourth
quarters as a little history lesson for everybody. And we
threw the ball eighty three times in that game. And
I watched Rod Day and rush for about two fifty
of the ball, so we were just trying.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
We were just playing keep up.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Eighty three times.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
That's like five weeks for some of these program That's incredible.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Drew Brees, Yeah, it's basically two minute drove the whole game.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well, Joe Tayler liked to throw it. Great seniors. Ooa's man,
love the stories.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Good seeing you, Drew, you tool, thanks man.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, you can YouTube that one first night game at
Camp Randall jump around, first time they play. You've never
been to a game at Camp Randall, by the way,
and a Saturday night that is that is one of
the all time places. That is, that is all time
stuff there.
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Speaker 6 (13:48):
I haven't been there, but a place I'd like to
go is SMU. Colin, How about SMU? They are an
interesting story. The college football rankings came out last night,
SMUs in prime position to get in there in the
a SEC Championship game against Iowa State. However, athletic directors
are now squabbling on social media. In a major surprise,
the Iowa State ad tweeted that SMU hasn't played anybody,
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basically saying strength the schedule clearly doesn't matter. Well, SMU
AD replied, get off my law and look at how
fired off these guys are.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
This is interesting. I just read an article that said
SMU's currently in the playoff, why should they play in
the a SEC Championship game? But it can only hurt
them if they happen to lose to Clemson.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Are they They're gonna get booted?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Now?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
It's very weird, but this is where we are in
college football. Obviously, more teams being involved is interesting. I
mean nobody, SMU's never been a factor, Iowa State has
never been a factor in like the last what twenty years?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, listen, we got We went from arguing that the
number five teams should be in to the number thirteen
teams should be in.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So it's like I said this for years. It doesn't matter.
The arguments aren't gonna go away.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
The difference is the teams arguing to get in or
worse than they were the previous twenty years worse.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
But the transfer portal has changed things obviously for the
NIL has changed things. Yeah, this is at a neutral site,
sm used minus two and a half Saturday night? Is
this this is musty TV for you?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Or probably not? I know it's a long day of
college football.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Well, I'm with my wife, so I will watch element
parts of these games. I thought the Penn State Oregon
line was a little interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I have to talk about that one tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah. I liked Oregon and that was the first game
I looked at it. There's also look at the reference
to you, George's playing Texas Georgia Texas.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yeah, the Remax.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I like the over. Georgia played eight over times.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They're all banged up and exhausted defensively, and Texas had
a bad offensive bounding against A and M.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Get the over on Texas Georgia. Oh, I love.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
That giving on gambling tidbits. Next up, Oh, let's go
to baseball. SO one is the big free agent prize.
And yesterday, at Blake Snell's introductory press conference, so DOA's agent,
Scott Boris said, we've had meetings with a number of franchises.
We've begun to eliminate teams. One is a methodical thinker,
so we'll see. I don't think anything is imminent in
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the near future. Soto has received five contract offers. Are
you ready for this? Yeah, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Blue Jays,
and Red Sox.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, there's no reason to go to Toronto and give
more of your money away.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
With what their taxes, the taxes, you just become like
a tax crouch. I'm not a grouch. I'm just telling
you the truth. Who cares? Have you gotta pay taxes?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
What's a big deal? Toronto's a beautiful city apparely.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I mean, I've been there in decades. I'm not denying it,
but if I could play, you just poop pooed Toronto.
I do that a lot with the Raptors.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
I don't want Cooper Flag going to the Raptors. Sorry,
Wan Soda is in a division where you playing the
Yankees playing the Red Sox. You know interesting that three
teams Yankees Moujay's Red Sox all.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I know that I would want to play for a
team that's got other great players. I don't want a
Joey Bodo or a Joe Mauer situation.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You're Kevin Durant. You want to go.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I want to know in baseball, I want I want
Mookie Betts hitting in front of me and Freddie Freeman
hitting behind me. In the Yankees, I want John Carlos
standing behind me, Aaron Judge in front of me. I
want to go somewhere where I've got great players around me.
I don't want to be the chandelier and the hundred
million dollar empty mansion like I I want to have
guys hitting in front of me. I want to get fastballs.
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I want to get hit able pitches. And that's why,
you know, people can complain about all this stuff. But
if you're a great player. I would rather take a
little less money, So I'm not an angry tax guy.
I would take a little less money to have better
hitters in front of me and behind me.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
So if Red Sox go to six hundred million and
the Yankees are holding fervid like.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
A pondres by the way, could I have Could I
have hitting And in front of me is the rookie
centerfield or Merril, and behind me is Machado or something.
But you know, I think you get better pitches when
you have the right situation.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
So you don't think money is an object here, Well.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I think money is an object. That's why I would
say I'm not going to give away one hundred million
over seven years to a country with the taxes. But
I would be willing to take less if I felt
like I was at a well run organization that was
well capitalized, that could put good people around me, like
Bryce Harper's got power hitters in front, power hitters behind.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
That's the way to do it.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Interesting Philly not listed among a contract offer team, that
would be it?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
What they've got their power? Guy? They got Bryce?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Can you ever have enough power? Guy?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, I mean I think the Yankees had two power guys,
but they had holes in their lineup.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
All right, final story is emerging here in the last
few hours.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I don't know what to make of this. Okay, So.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Lincoln Riley struggling at USC. We know that UCF now
as a coaching opening, and they have reportedly, according to
The Athletic, inquired if Lincoln Riley would leave USC to
coach UCF. What I'm I don't know what you know?
You and I love digging into why is this happening?
So we know Lincoln's here's what's interesting. Why is this
(19:18):
coming out?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And who's leaking?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Because it's a national letter of intent signing day and
USC had a disappointing class and he's getting heat and
he's somebody on Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
He's trying to steal some recruits from USC.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Maybe no, I don't know. I mean, who would leak this?
Why would I.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Wonder if it's and this is really devious, But like
you know, Oklahoma's still tipped off at the Lincoln Riley
Big Oklahoma in the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh, that that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Takes some jabs like struggle and he doesn't have a
recruits an U c F now by that that's interesting.
So maybe there is a singular player who hasn't sent
his recruiting right notification in and Oklahoma leagu said, hey,
don't sign with the USC. Lincoln, Hey, could we go
to u CF Like that's a good one.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
But I disrespecting UCF.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I think two of my cousins go there or recently graduated.
It's fine, a nice directional school.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Yeah, I mean it's in at USC.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It's not even like a top five school.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And this feels like something somebody. It's the fact that
it landed today on this day tells you it has
something to do with a recruited.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I would I would agree with that, and I'm not
putting down U c F.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Please do I bet you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I bet you one of these schools is going after
USC's five star quarterback and they want this leak and
the kid is sitting there.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I mean, I'm I'm guessing.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It sounds plausible. I mean, but U c F, why
would you try to use that as leverage? I mean,
there's FSU Florida. There's so many good schools. But is
anybody gonna buy this? Should Lincoln Riley step out and
say this is total garbage? I'm saying, a usc should
he say anything or not address it?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think you kind of what if it's Lincoln Riley
saying all you La Fairweather fans, you don't like me.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I got an option, Yeah, but half of them would say,
see you. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'll throw this out there. I'll tell you who would
apply for that job. I know you already, Pete Carroll.
Take five minutes. Pete Carroll's already hovering around the athletic department.
He'd apply for that job in five minutes. And I'll
tell you something La would love it.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Would he not need a contract because he's collecting Social Security?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Or oh, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, I'm telling you right now, Pete Carroll's I think
he's teaching a class there or something.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
He's already around the program.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Come on, I'm telling you it's happening. I'm saying, if
Lincoln left, Pete would be right there. I'm not sure
if jen Con would hire him, but he would inquire tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Pete's got too much energy.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Pete Carroll's got too much energy to sit in the
North Shore, Hawaii in a deck chair. You're not gonna
sit I mean, there's no way, Pete's got a ton
of energy.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He might run for president.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, make me Carroll this that's funny. No, I
think it would be you. Listen, mac Brown went to
Carolina and he stabilized the program. You get a pretty
good run.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, I mean he did a good job with him.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
He got a better job than I didn't know if
mac was gonna work. And I think Pete is viewed
as a higher end coach than mac Brown, and Pete's
energy is to the route.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Might actually happen. I mean, you were at the USC game,
so I'm guessing this.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I'm just telling you the first person to apply, and
he would have major backing from some of the big
donors as Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
And I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm not saying it's a ten year deal, but I'm
saying for three or four years, Pete could build a staff.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I'm sure Lincoln Riley is not at the state in
Pelos Verdes.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's not thrilled.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I'm not saying I'm not try I am commenting on
a report that's already out.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I'm not I didn't start this nonsense.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I know you got a lot of USC guys who
watch the show.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
To better go check my phone. Gosh. J Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
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Speaker 6 (23:17):
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Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well. USC did not have a good day recruiting. They
did land a five star defensive lineman Edna carr uh oh, no,
excuse me, Jakeim Stewart from that high school in Louisiana.
So there's a story about Lincoln Riley. There's no indication
he's interested in leaving, but UCF is interested in him.
Why would that come out? There's six and six. It's
been a major disappointment. His Southern California recruiting is awful.
(23:58):
They lost a great linebacker, the best in the state
or best in Southern California to Notre Dame today.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
So it's just been in.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Pete Carroll, by the way, Yogi Roth, who just wrote
a book with Pete Carroll, who coached USC he obviously
coached the Seahawks, says he still wants to coach. Wrote
a book with Pete. He's very very since leaving Seattle.
He has not stopped competing. His energy is coaching is
still there. So the Bears have an opening. You know,
(24:30):
who knows what's going on with USC. There's there's It's
not that Lincoln Riley. I mean, it's when they lose,
they lose the same way they compete with everybody. They're
not getting blown out. It's not like they don't know
what they're doing. They don't have enough good players. And
the recruiting at USC, in the portal and in high
school has just been very disappointing. And I'm sorry, that's
seventy five percent of the game. And so he inherited
(24:51):
Bob Stoop's recruiting momentum in Oklahoma, but they have not
done a good job at USC. It's I don't remember
any coach Lane Kiffin, Sark, Pete Carol, Clay Hilton doing
this poorly in southern California. Right now, they have the
thirteenth best class. Now they did land the best defensive
interior a lineman in the country from Louisiana. That is
a huge get. I'm sure that was nil. You know,
(25:14):
they and that's legal, that's what they do. But they
are just they just have not recruited at the level
you need to to beat Ohio State to be you know,
Georgia and Alabama and Texas. So it's not like it's
been a disaster. They're recruiting at the same level right now,
maybe a little bit better than Washington and Jedfish, but
(25:35):
USC because they're based in southern California, should be a
top ten recruiting powerhouse. They were during Pete Carroll's day.
So I don't make much of the story about ufs UCF,
but I do think Yogi Roth coming out and Pete
wants to coach. Pete is just high energy, high strung guy.
He's not going to sit around. And by the way,
he was very successful and the one time he went
(25:55):
to the college ranks, so you know he's out there
and there's a very aggressive have You know, Lincoln Riley's
got ninety million dollars left on his contract. Nobody's buying
that thing out. It's a story. It's something right. What
about the Bears and Pete Carroll?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
What's that? We're talking too much?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Bears?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We need to move on. It's the best opening in
the NFL? Is it not?
Speaker 6 (26:19):
But I said that a week ago and you were
like I did, and.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Then I slept on It had some neuro gum came
to my senses. But it is probably the best job
because of the personnel. It's Chicago.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I listen, You've convinced me to shechdor Sanders. The more
I watch the tape of him, Listen, this kid is
he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Pretty damn good. He's the best college. He's gonna go
number one.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Yeah, Like if he goes to Jacksonville, this whole like
do you move on from Lawrence? If he goes to
Tennessee is all of a sudden Brian Callahan, Man, that
guy knows some offense. If he goes to the Raiders,
Like is that suddenly do they move off of Pierce
and say, Hey, who wants to come coach shdoor Sanders? Like?
I I like what Chicago has. I like the potential
(27:03):
of Shaduur going somewhere.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well, those are two different stories. He's not going to Chicago.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, he's not going to Chicago.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
But am I taking the Chicago job to coach Caleb
or am I taking the job to go coach Shador Sanders.
If you're Vabel, you want Chicago, which is kind of
ready made, or do you want to go build something
yourself with your new quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'd rather have Caleb. I like their personnel.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I think Chico definitely think they've got They've got talent.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
They literally have the four or five things you need. Weapon,
dominant defensive lineman, elite corner they need, and a quarterback
that's talented. They need to get a great left tackle.
Right now, they have a man left tackle.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
And they'll be drafting probably top ten, is top twelve.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
They have a chance to get Calvin Banks, the best
left tackle Texas in the draft. There's also one from LSU.
There's two great left tackles in the draft, and then
there's one down near the bottom.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
That I just started getting it.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
My first Mox coming out Fox next week, so I've
started to dig in it. You're probably right on Bears
being the best. I mean, I'm probably right since I
said it last week. What about Saints?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is that any anything, any appealing at all. No great city.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
You're just talk going to breeze, he said, some nice things.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I want to go. This whole Lincoln Riley thing is
very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
There we got it's recruiting day, and I'm just gonna
tell you being having connections to USC They've got eighteen
million now in the collective, thirteen to start the year
now eighteen.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
So they can afford a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
They can go by the five best high schoolers. They're
up there with Ohio State, Georgia, and Texas. So the
Boosters want to go by the best players. And they're
Southern California recruiting. They had two guys they thought were
going to them and they lost both of them. It's
it's not good. I'm just telling you. The Momentum is
an article collective.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
To be honest, Huh, are you part of the collecting? No, okay,
maybe I want him
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