December 4, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin defends the College Football Playoff Committee slotting 3-loss Alabama into the playoff mix ahead of 2-loss Miami
Kyle Shanahan should be at the top of the list for the Bears as they search for a new head coach
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Oh do we got a good one today live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Joel Clat One hour from now, all
the crazies and we love them. All the crazies in
college football are freaking out. Twelve team bracket comes out again,
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only a couple left before the real deal. December twentieth
is when it starts, So Jmac, everybody's freaking out, Oh
freaking out.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
How can you put Vama in? How can you leave
Miami out?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Terrible job, able check.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's why I want to start with this. In my life,
I love college foot It's always had one issue. One
issue is that it's got a big game shortage because
nobody wants to lose games, so everybody ducks competition I
mean USC this year open with LSU and close with
Notre Dame. That's like way above average. What you'd like
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to see every year is Ohio State saying, hey, let's
go play Texas and Oklahoma. But it doesn't happen. And
so I have always believed I am gonna give you
extra credit by just scheduling a game. You may lose it.
But if you're willing to schedule a game and you
lose it in overtime or it's close, it matters to
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me who you play. In the NFL, you can't control
your schedule, but in college football, you control three or
four of the games, and I'm paying attention. So team
playoff comes out. The big criticism is Miami two losses
should be in and Bama three losses should be out.
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So let's forget out of conference for a second. First
of all, Bama plays in a much better conference. Well
that's not fair. Well it's not fair. Some people are
born rich and some people are born in middle class.
It is what it is. The SEC those high schools
got the best players, they recruit the best player. Secs
better than Alabama plays in that The ACC is a
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hot tire fire. It's a mass it's awful. Second, Bama
beat Georgia. That's a big time win, you know, the
big win for Miami seven and five Florida. That's our
big win. So Bama played in a better conference. Bama's
got a better win. Here's the other thing. Both of
Miami's losses have come in the last three weeks, so
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it looks like they're a little wobbly right now. I
don't love that. The other thing, the ACC's awful. So
the best teams in the ACC or SMU, Miami, and Clemson. Bizarrely,
they didn't play each other. They didn't play each other,
so all of them stockpiled wins over terrible teams. Meanwhile,
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Bama is going through the SEC gauntlet. And yeah, they
went to Oklahoma, got caught flat footed. Oklahoma's got, you know,
fifteen kids that are gonna play in the NFL. Like you,
sometimes you go to a game, they're ready to play
and you're not. And I don't think Alabama's great. I
think they're good. I just think Miami, if they played them,
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is less good than Alabama's good. And I don't want
Alabama at three losses to get in. But they've got
a better win. It's a better conference. And by the way,
Alabama against ranked teams this year currently ranked teams three
and one. Do you know what Miami, Clemson and SMU
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are against ranked teams this year?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Zero and four?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Stockpiled wins over nonsense. There are no great teams this
year in college football. I think Texas is really good,
really good. I don't think they're great. Great is the
seventy five, you know I would go Great is the
Tommy Fraser Cornhuskers, the Reggie Busch Trojans, the Joe Burrow
LSU team. There was a Miami team Butch Davis assembled
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that was great. We've had about five or six great
teams this year. I think we have won very very
very good team. Texas Oregon maybe that as well. I'm
not sure, but I think they could be. And then
it's a bunch of Ohio State and Penn State and
Alabama's and Tennessee's and Georgia's. But you're trying to get
me upset because two losses. These aren't standings. Even in
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the NFL, you can win a division. Somebody's gonna win,
you know, the NFC South, and they may be eight nine,
and then somebody's gonna be left out with probably ten wins.
That's the way it works in prop and in college football.
Where you play who you play, it may not be
your fault. Again, it's not your fault for a lot
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in life. It doesn't make it untrue. And I would
trust Alabama in a big game over Miami because I
think Kaylin de Boor is a better coach than Mario Christobal,
and I think with a couple of weeks to prep,
I take the better coach. So it's not the end
of the world. But better schedule, better win, better against
ranked teams, you know the other Let me just throw
this out here. I always had this theory. I know
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this just comes across as just a terrible thing to say,
But if I pay for the wedding, I get to
make the seating chart. Okay, who pays for college football
in the playoff? The networks, So I wouldn't even have
a problem if everything was even, and you went down
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twenty different lists of record home away, and it was
even at the end. It's a coin flip, and the
network's said, I'd rather take the massive fan base of
Alabama in over a Miami team that gets twenty eight
thousand for a home game, I pay for the wedding.
I get to decide the seating chart. And right now,
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I mean in baseball, major League Baseball, you know who
was really on Major League Baseball for the pitch clock Fox?
In ESPN, you know who created that game. In Europe,
Phillies Mets Fox, Field, the Dreams Fox, you know, outfield Shift.
They didn't listen to purists. TV networks pay the bills
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they get to say in this stuff. The NFL's always
understood that. I mean, they change rules annually. You just
make it a better TV product. But and that's like
the final box, that's not the first box. But I'm
not losing sleep because two loss Miami may not get
in in Alabama. Three loss and the toughest conference with
a great coach is gonna get it. If that's what
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we're losing, a couple of pretty good teams who have
stubbed their toe. I'm sorry. I don't need melatonin to
sleep tonight. I'm gonna be just fine. Joel Clatton one hour. Okay,
I saw this story. You know how some things are
true and you and some people and maybe it's just
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a money thing that people don't want to spend. Maybe
these rich billionaire owners are cheap. Probably are, that's why
they're billionaires, right. But I saw Pro Football Talk had
a story this morning the Chicago Bears should call the
Niners about Kyle Shanahan. And I know what you're saying,
WHOA take a deep breath. Timing is everything. So first
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of all, let's establish this to be true. At any
one time in my life, there's been about four to
five rock star head coaches, like any industry, tech, law,
medicine football coaching. At any one time, the NFL's got
five rock stars. They're just better than everybody else. Jim
Harbaugh to the Chargers, completely changed the franchise with the
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same roster. Sean Payton in Denver takes over Chernobyl. Now
they're going to make the playoffs. Sean McVay to the Rams,
dead franchise, double digit wins year one, rockstar Andy Reid,
Chiefs are lost to the playoffs to a dynasty. Shanahan's
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considered in that class. They don't get to more about
Kyle later in the show. The only thing that amazes
me is that more people, more owners don't consider this.
Hello Harbaugh McVeigh, Hello, I mean when the Niners were terrible.
They got Jim Harbaugh and then he left and they
got terrible, and they got Kyle Shanahan. Now we didn't
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know Shanahan was a rock star head coach at the time,
but we knew he was a rockstar coordinator at the time.
He was the best coordinator in the league. And I
look at all these Bears candidates. Oh, Ben Johnson, he's
an OC. Let's be honest, little different guy, little quirky guy,
doesn't have the gravitas. If I had to guess, he
is great coordinator, not a head coach. That's my guest.
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Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame, Well, he was a great recruiter.
Oh yeah, that doesn't matter. In the NFL, he could be.
But I would give up multiple picks for Kyle Shanahan
because even first round picks, you don't really know what
you're getting. You don't, I mean, you really don't know
what you're getting after about the first eight picks, and
even sometimes in the first eight picks you're like, yeah,
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but eight practices in that doesn't work. You know what
you're getting with Kyle Shanahan. You're gonna get that run game,
the schemes. Now here's the utter thing, and you're thinking,
why would he leave? In my lifetime, there has been
one quality that smart people have shared, men and women.
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One quality, and it's not where you went to college.
It's not who you know. No, No, the smartest people, the Murdochs,
have been great at this. They get out of the
movie business at the perfect time, they get out of
the regional sports networks at the perfect time. The ability
to understand timing, okay, is really really the one thing
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in my life that highly successful people. Mark Cuban, by
the way, just sold his NBA franchise. He knows something right.
He was the guy that came in, the young brash owner.
Nobody treated their players like Mark Cuban. He changed how
players were treated. He was ahead of the curve. Now
he's selling his team. Probably know something. Look at Kyle
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Shanahan's situation. Smart guy don't know Kyle know many that do.
Smart guy about to have to pay brock Purdy, who's
now a little small and hurt for the second time
to compete against Mahon and Allen and Lamar and Herbert
and C. J. Stroud and Jalen Hurts. Brock Purty you
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want to roll with that. You don't have a trophy yet,
that's your trophy quarterback. Secondly, Christian McCaffrey clearly, and I
love him, he is peaked. Third it's an old, expensive,
increasingly brittle roster. And here's Chicago coach fired, coach fired,
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coach fired, coach fired. Are the Bears smart enough to
look at the rams and go, look what McVeigh did?
This has a Tony Dungee to the colts field where
you had this surging young star quarterback. Tony's in Tampa
and says, I'm going to go up there and I'm
going to get my side of the ball right and
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Tony Dungee demanding the perfect fit Shanahan of the Bears.
My only question is are the McCaskey smart enough to
offer it draft picks? Are you kidding me? Yeah, let's
see linebacker or Kyle Shanahan tight end or change the
franchise forever? Not a tough call. J mack, I told
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you this morning, got a good night's sleep, Ready to roll?
My friend, you're a.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Fire getting off a couple of one liners. They're chir
noobyl reference. Well it was nicely?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Does I mean and by the way. Peyton's great example.
They have the Russell Wilson mess. They have no momentum.
They gave up draft capital. By the end of last year.
You were like, yeah, Russell's actually back to being pretty good,
good enough, the Steeler said, we'll take him. Oh, by
the way. And now with draft cap, this is the
thinnish roster Sean Payton'll ever have. If they come out
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of the buy and win their nine to five, they're
making the playoffs with a rookie quarterback in the division,
with the current dynasty in the division, with arguably the
two best coaches in the sport Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And a huge dead cap hit.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Don't fut in that massive dead cap hit.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Impressive job.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Just the Bears have players, The Bears have receivers. The
Bears that what the Bears don't have is a culture
creator and a schematic genius. I would give up. I
would give up multiple first round picks.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I mean it's not bad. I still like my Marcus
Freeman hot take a couple by Notre Dame Buddies.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Stop Jason. We do not want to lose Marcus. We
don't know if it works. We don't know if he's
going to be an NFL coaches best way, Hold on,
hold on.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
What do we know about Kyle Shanahan in fourth quarters?
I mean he's been awful fourth quarters. The Bears could
just take wins the Bear. I'll tell you what the
Bears would love to have a problem with. We keep
blowing fourth quarter leads. They just like the lead going
into the fourth quarter. They got their issues are We're
getting blown out regularly.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
We're dysfunctional.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
You think he's leaving San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I'm telling you the single gra If you could look
at the Murdock's history, who owned this company Fox News,
I could argue their greatest skill is exits. So are
you to build an exit? The movie industry collapsed, they
got out, sold it to somebody else.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So you feel like the Niners are the Titanic right
now they're sinking.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
No, I feel it's timing. I left a network. Wasn't
the Titanic. It was time. And I'm certainly not qualified
to conclude myself in any category of smart people. But
I'm saying is timing is a real thing. Don't fall
in love, fall in like with everything, but your family
and kids, fall in like with stuff the Niners. It's
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great fall in like with the Niners. Coaches should never
fall in love with their billionaire owner because I got
news for you. Back to back losing seasons and a
billionaire owner is gonna jettison you. So I'm just saying
that if you look at what Chicago's never had a
brilliant offensive guy, Chicago's a huge brand. I mean it
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was just like Harbaugh went to La. He's like, it's
in La. I've got Herbert. I can be their first
Super Bowl winning coach. I got a left tackle, I've
got pass rushers, I got a bos I got this day.
There are so many components of the Bears that are
the Chargers. They're like and so you can look at
a team's history, what do you want to change history?
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And I just think I think you have to look
at it. A lot of stuff sounds crazy. Kevin Durant
goes from Okase to the Warriors sounded crazy. Tom Brady
Jettison's Belichick to go to Tampa sounded crazy. Herbert's leaving
his alma mater to go to the Chargers. A lot
of stuff sounds crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
What do you think Shanahan's wife will say? If he says, honey,
we're leaving the beautiful Bay Area, We're moving to Chicago.
You think his wife would say.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Can't wait. California taxes thirteen percent, Chicago four point nine.
Can't wait. It's not like the winter weather in San
Francisco's Palm Springs anyway, Hey, you gotta wear gloves. What
it's fast And by the way, in the winter, he's
inside anyway, he's coaching, he's not out on the beach.
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Speaker 1 (16:01):
Joe Klatt forty five minutes from now. All sorts of
things to talk about. Drew Brees joining us two hours
from now. So Tom Brady the Goat, was on the
show yesterday. They heard yesterday and bounced around a lot
of topics. But he went to Michigan obviously, and you know,
I think all of us that follow college football, it
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was a jaw dropping loss for Ohio State, stacked roster
at home, better at quarterback, much better offense, solid defense,
losing to Michigan that could not throw the ball, They
did not exploit their best players wide receivers, and Tom
Brady talked about that Ryan Day Ohio State performance.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
If I looked at Ohio State shrinks and we says
they have a great seven on seventeen. They got guys
that can throw the ball to in the second half,
they don't even target their best players. So to me,
it's like I may as well ben out there playing
receiver for Ohio State. I can't run, I couldn't catch,
but it doesn't matter if you don't throw me the ball.
And I thought the best thing that coach Belichick did,
and there was a lot of them, was he would
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clearly define for offense, defense, and special teams, this is
how we're going to win the game this week. You
gotta have some formula for what you're trying to accomplish.
What's the bullseye that we need to hit? So why
don't we just dial it down and dial it back
to the only the specific ones where our best players
are going to touch the ball doing the best things
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that they do. And we're going to go out like that.
If we lose, we lose. If we win, you know great,
but we're not going to lose doing things that we
don't do well.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And It's not that Ohio State can't run the football,
but as many pointed out, Ryan Day hates the label
that Michigan now is the program that's physical and in
the Midwest that just lands hard. For Ryan Day, he
does not want to be known as the coach that
has created a softer program. But the truth is, and
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I've talked about this to Urban Meyer on this show.
When you recruit the best receivers in the country every
year in Alabama and Ohio State do it does change.
It does change how you play. By the way, Andy
Reid went to Philadelphia, blue collar Philadelphia, and he was
the coach that started to run on a first down
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and started to pass on third and two. Andy Reid
went into tough guy Philadelphia and he said, you know what,
I'm gonna look at Donovan McNabb and my wide receivers
and the culture changes in football. We're gonna pass the
ball on third and two. And he got to five
NFC championships because that's what he thought worked best for
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the culture changes and his personnel. He had a pretty
good quarterback, and so you play to your personnel, and
if you recruit the best wide receivers in the world,
in college football, and Ohio State does. That's what you are.
Don't be ashamed of it. If you want to stop
recruiting them, fine, But fewer and fewer kids in America
play in high school football want to be running backs
because their careers are shorter and you make less money.
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The most talented high school football players and the smart
ones want to be quarterbacks, ed rushers, wide receivers. So
it's hard to find great running backs. The state of California,
on an annual basis, thirty eight million people will have
two elite running backs two they'll have one hundred Division
one wide receivers. Kids are smart, they know where the
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money is, so an Ohio State recruits that position better
than anybody. The other thing that hurts is Ohio State
is in a weird, weird spot where Ryan Day beats
everybody except Michigan. He's one and four against Michigan, He's
sixty three and two against everybody else. And so when
you have a rival like a Duke Carolina in basketball,
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Ohio State Michigan, you gotta beat your rival when they're vulnerable,
and this was the vulnerable year for Michigan. Not good
at quarterback. Game was in Columbus Harbad just left and
they gave it to a coordinator. Remember, Ohio State dominated
this thing from like two thousand and four to two
thousand nine. They dominated this rival. They were vulnerable. One year,
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the Luke Fickle year, Michigan beat them, but Ohio State
with Trussel, Ohio State with Urban always beat Michigan. And
then that that one wobbly year with Luke Fickle, Michigan
beat them. This was the beat Michigan year because next
year the game's in an arbor. Next year they have
a five star, best high school quarterback in the country
and momentum. So now Michigan's in Ohio State's head. The
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game goes to an arbor, and Michigan's got the better quarterback,
which you know matters. So it's a weird spot. If
Ohio State loses its first game and right now in
the playoff they play Tennessee, my pick before the season
to win the Natty, and they lose that game. I
wouldn't fire Ryan Day because I think he's a good coach.
Be careful about firing good coaches unless you have a
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great coach in the offing, and I'm not sure they
do jmck with a.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
News No, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Let's start in the NBA Colin because, uh, something interesting
happened last night with Steve Kirk. Look at this. He
is as irate as he's been that I've ever seen him.
The Warriors were playing the Nuggets, of course, and Kerr
thought Christian Braun of Denver called a timeout. Denver didn't
have any timeouts, so it should have been the Warriors
ball and a free throw obviously for the Tech. Instead,
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Kerr got a technical foul and it was a close
game and the Warriors ended up losing. You're Steve Kerr.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Afterward, Brown called a timeout. He drove on the floor,
he rolled over. Everybody saw it except for the three
guys we hired to do the games. And that makes
me angry. That's a technical foul. They don't have a
time out left, it's a technical foul. We shoot a
free throw, we get the ball, We got a chance
to win the game. They all told me they didn't
see it. It's up to the referees to see somebody's
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that's why we waved three of them. Somebody's got to
see it. So that, yeah, that made me mad.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, refs blew it. They blew it.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Gotta blame somebody blame the zebras well. By the way,
you see the Warriors coming back to earth just a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, their their formula is a nice regular season formula.
Play eleven guys. I don't think eventually you're gonna beat
the Nuggets. I don't think you're gonna beat ok C,
Boston Celtics. I don't think you're beating those teams plays.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
They lost Melton. I think to an acl the guard,
he was good rotational piece, not looking great all of
a sudden in Golden State, Denver, starting to come around
behind this Jokic fellow who's is quite good.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
He is so much better than the second best player
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Oh, I don't know about that. If I said to you,
are you watching Luca closely?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Honest?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Did you just roll your eyes at Luca?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Let me ask you this. If I said to you,
there's a player in the NBA that got thirty five points,
seventeen assists, and fifteen rebounds in the game, you'd go wow,
unless it was Jokic, and you'd go, oh, it's Wednesday.
Jokitch's stat line is the only one in the league.
It's like Lebron James. When Lebron went thirty two, twelve
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and twelve, Like Magic Johnson, you were like, Yeah, that's
that's called Wednesday. For everybody else in the league, Jokic's
stat line would be even for like Jannis and Luca.
If Luca went thirty five, seventeen and fourteen, you'd go,
that's maybe the greatest game in the history of Luca's career.
Jokicch does that constantly.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
It is he makes things look really I don't know
that I've ever seen an athlete in any sport who
makes it look this easy, messy kind of sometimes in soccer,
Patrick Mahomes sometimes when he's throwing the ball makes it
look just effortless. But Jokich almost every time down the floor,
he's like not really hustling, not trying, but he's just dominating.
It's never seen anything like him before. Next up, Colin,
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all right, we had Tom Brady on the show yesterday. Yeah,
he said something that people got a little worked up
about online.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Shocker.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
He was talking about the hit on Trevor Lawrence and
Brady the Goat had a suggestion to improve the game.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Maybe they fine or penalize a quarterback for sliding late,
you know, and say, look, we if we don't want
these hits to take place, we've got to penalize the
offense and the defense.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I don't know if you have to penalize the offense,
but if it knocks a quarterback out and there's no
penalty call, that is a penalty because a quarterback is
more valuable than a safety or a linebacker. Ultimately, if
you look at this, I wish we could slow mo this.
And if you look at it, Trevor slides late. He
slides if he stopped it. When he starts to slide,
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he's and you're you're asking the defense, what do you
mean slides late? Look at this? But I you know what,
if I could hit I would have hit him too.
Oh it's too late?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
What what? What do you Okay? I don't understand what
slides too late means. He starts to truck the ball and.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Look at Look at the yard line he slides on.
It's the yard line post to slide about three steps earlier.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Oh, come on, you know how bang bang this game is?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I heard from more people about Brady's take on this
yesterday and it was than anytime Brady's been on the show.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
People are I agree with Tom. You guys want to
penalize defensive No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
No, we don't want to penalize defense. We want to
protect the most important player.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
That's what quarterback is.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You know what. Sometimes you got to protect yourself. I
want to protect my kids, but they probably shouldn't jump
off tall buildings. Sometimes you have to protect yourself. The culpability,
the responsibility isn't always on everybody else making sure you're protected.
I'm a defensive player. I'm going to intimidate you. It's
not my job to protect you. It's your job to
protect you. You're good at analogy. If well, if you
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go out three in the morning, is it law enforcements
responsibility to protect you or do you not being out
at three in the morning, did the morning have to
do a sliding Because people have to own their own safety.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
He slid. This wasn't late.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
He slid way late, you know on time. By the way,
Brady got hit like that one time. He never got
hit like that again.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, Lamar Jackson, Russell, all these guys, you gotta protect
the quarterback. They are the most important position in the sport,
in all of sports. You start taking out these quarterbacks
with cheap shots, which is what that was. Fine, the
game's gonna stake, you know, we lose quarterbacks and then
the team's got to play on Monday and at football
and you're like, oh, is a crap game. I'm not
watching this, you know, Like that's that's what the sport is.
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You've gotta protect me.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Just asking for a little personal responsibility that we can't
create a sport that defensive players can't be intimidating, that
can't make great plays.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Is there no other way to be intimidating besides head hunting?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It's pretty pretty formidable as a weapon for intimidation. I
don't know, maybe a.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Little disappointed in you count, but it's early.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
By the way. You know who hit late a lot,
Lawrence Taylor? It works. Play play through the whistle. A
whistles like a yellow light. Do you stop forty feet
before the yellow light? You know what yellow light means?
In my car? Speed up, get through it.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
It's difficult. I don't do that anymore because I got
a red light camera ticket. Have you got one of those?
Speaker 7 (27:09):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I slowed out at all. I look for the camera
and I instantly slowed out. It's a five hundred dollars
ticket in LA.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It's garbage.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
So anyways, let's go to the final story in the
Detroit Lions. Their season has been great, but man, these
injuries are mounting. Collins head coach Dan Campbell credits the
team's mindset as a reason for the success and says, hey,
we got injuries, but it's that time of the year.
We're ready for the postseason.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Weren't playoff football right now like that. That's that's where
we're at. We're in December, and our schedule says that, Man,
we played tough opponent after tuflpoling, after tump we got
another one. I mean, we we got plenty coming up.
So and this is the type of stuff that you
live for, and it's also the type of stuff to
get you ready for the tournament.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Nobody has a tougher end of the season five games
than the Lions. Their final five of oponents Colin have
a combined record of thirty eight and twenty two, and
all of them, mathematically, I guess, are still in the
playoff line.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
No, it's interesting, who's the hottest team in football? Right now, Yadelphi,
if the Lions and the Eagles played today, who would
you take?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Where's the game.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Indianapolis neutral site. Now, let's say let's say it's I
don't care where's at. They're both good at home, they're
both good on the road. It doesn't matter where's at.
Who would you take right now?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I would go Eagles.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Same here.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
A lot of this is attrition. Philadelphia is healthier. AJ
Brown's back, Detroit's banged up, They're on their sixteenth linebackers.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
And then what happens to the Let's spin this forward.
Let's say Philadelphia wins the NFC championship. Remember Cam, what
do you think Ben Johnson? Is he still like, what
we got to get to a Super Bowl? I'm staying here?
Or is he like, all right, we had our chances twice.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I gotta move on because that's a big one. Colin.
This Lions thing could go on for a few more years.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Remember this, it's not who the best team is in
October and November. The Kansas City Chiefs have proven time
and time again. Think about the last three or four
Super Bowl champs. Kansas City scuff's a little in October
November great in the playoffs. Tom Brady in Tampa seven
and five, go to a bye. Get hot. Buffalo's hot
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right now, and Philadelphia is hot right now. Baltimore's not.
Detroit feels like they I'll tell you another team to
keep your eyeing Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Oh wait, what is Detroit done to?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, they're banged up, They're not fifty two seventeen ain't
happening anymore. They went to Indianapolis against the quarterback who
doesn't throw the ball greatly and scuffed. They're not the
same team as they were three weeks ago. They went
through about a seven game stretch where you were like
the hell is that? And blowing people out like Bama.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So I brought up the Ben Johnson angle because there's
also the Aaron Glenn. He's gonna be interviewing. So now
you have this amazing Lions run, seems like we're headed
to the super Bowl. Injuries mount and they don't get
to the super Bowl, and now you got maybe Ben
Johnson and Aaron Glenn both departed.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I think a bad organization would go after Ben Johnson.
I think the people I talked to in the league
that I trust have skepticism on Ben Johnson as a
franchise coach. They think he's a great coordinator. By the way,
many had issues with Cliff Kingsbury as a head coach.
I talked to people all before he got hired, and
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people were like, let's see if it works. But he
couldn't win in the Big twelve. I'm not sure he
can win in the NFC West. Ben Johnson may just
be a great number two. We've seen that for years.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
He probably wants to find out if he can be
a number one, right.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
So I don't know if he does. I don't I mean,
I've never met him. I've never talked to him.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
But I think everybody wants to lives as it came.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I don't think that's true.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Really.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, there's plenty of great radio guys in Des Moines,
Iowa that love it Voice of the Hawk Eyes. They're like,
they look at my job and think, yeah, I'd rather
I want to live, you know, next to the farm
I grew up on.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I think there's probably more people that well, I don't know.
I think you know that he's been in football for
like twenty years at least.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And he's making three and a half million a year
living in a beautiful suburb in Birmingham, Michigan.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
So you don't think he wants to Hey, let me
see what else is out there. Life is an adventure.
Let me try being a head coach. Maybe it fits,
maybe it doesn't, But I want to see. I want
to find out.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I don't think as many people as you do. You know,
forty percent of people never leave their area code.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
That's a strange. That's true.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And by the way, if you look at mobility statistics,
we are less mobile than people think. Most Americans, if
they get a great job and they have friends, they
don't want to move. I had this idea that everybody's
got to get the brass ring. That doesn't make you happier.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, not everybody's chasing yea.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Not everybody's Elon Musk and literally doesn't sleep.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
And that's to colonize Mars like he's got some dreams
and goals.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, I don't think. I think being an offensive coordinator
with the Lions and knowing you're gonna win twelve games
a year and if you lose, you don't get the
heat is a great American football job. I think. Now
there's other guys like Sark, and I think Sarks. You know,
Sark can recruit. He there are guys like Sark who
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are more aspirational. That's good too, But I think that
stuff takes a toll on your private life. And I
think Ben Johnson, he may have a wonderful family, he
may have cousins, but nearby I mean, by the way, Shanahan,
Shanahan grew up in the Midwest, you know that.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I think it was his dad at Denver when he
was going was.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
A Colorado and Balso. I think he was born in Minneapolis.
That Chicago Bear job maybe just what Shanny's looking for.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I'm just worried about this Lions team, man, I really
you might be onto something that they just peaked a
little early.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
That runner who gets out he go Look at the
last several years Super Bowls. I'm not joking when I say,
damn Tampa team got hot in week thirteen. The Chiefs
the last couple of years were rudderless in like early November.
This is a long season. I got a couple of
by the way, Buffalo now and Buffalo seven weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Before Mary Cooper showed up. Did they lose to the
Ravens like thirty five to ten.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
On they were, they were a little lost.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
But this seaman. I got buddies who are Lines fans.
I've been texting them like, oh, super Bowl bound, see
you in New Orleans and all of a sudden like that'
stuff has stopped the last week since that Thanksgiving game
and the injuries.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, Jack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (33:24):
So uh, you know, we all know this. We watched
this on Monday night when we saw Bonnicks once again
play very well in the fourth quarter. And we know
a couple of things about the NFL is that you know,
once you get to the playoffs. I mean, right now
in the NFL, there are eight teams that have three
wins or less, so that there's a pretty large bottom.
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Those teams are all gone in the playoffs. And then
there's gonna be a bunch of teams that finished with
seven or eight wins. They're not gonna make the playoffs either.
It's gonna be the best coaches and the best quarterbacks,
and the margins get very thin, so playing quarterback at
a high level in the fourth quarter is really really important.
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Brady was the best I've ever seen at it. Montana
was amazing. John Elway was amazing. Ma Holmes is amazing.
And here is Brady talking about all the narrow wins
the Chiefs have picked up this year. On late game execution, I.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Just think the Chiefs are so dangerous because if it's
a one score game in the fourth quarter and Patrick
has the ball, he just he's incredible. He's so dangerous
because then he has four downs late in the game,
where you got to stop him for four downs, not three.
Patrick is going to manage the game so well, He's
gonna throw to the open guy when it's a He's
got Travis out there that is gonna make the right
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decisions and the big moments like we've seen time and
time again. So they have a group of players that
organization does so many things the right way way. It's
a lot like the teams that I played for at
the Patriots. If you were going to beat us, men,
you had to beat us. We weren't going to beat ourselves.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And you had to exit out execute them in the
fourth quarter. So here's what's funny. About fourth quarters for
years and years. A lot of its mythology. Tony Romo
is a bad fourth quarter quarterback. No, he's not. He
was great, but the Cowboys are high profile. He had
a couple of bad picks in high profile games, and
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he was labeled a bad late game quarterback. He was
actually excellent, one of the better fourth quarter quarterbacks I
can remember. You know another thing, uh, Matt Ryan super Bowl.
Matt Ryan was a great fourth quarter come from a
hind quarterback. He's got thirty eight fourth quarter comeback wins.
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But he the Super Bowl right, high profile game. He's
no good late Matt Ryan was a great fourth quarter quarterback.
You know he's not good. Aaron Rodgers all time twenty
two fourth quarter comebacks. Well that's because he has led now.
Russell Wilson has thirty two and he led to Aaron's
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total mythology. You've seen it this year like six different times.
Bo Nicks this year is a better fourth quarter quarterback
than Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's was always built on a couple
of big plays. The Jared Cook completion against the Cowboys
on the sideline, one of the great top ten throws
of all time, and it's oh, Aaron's magic. No, he's
not not. He has fewer fourth quarter comebacks than Ryan Tannehill.
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So right now the highest fourth quarter passer rating number one,
Russell Wilson, LaMarcus Jackson. Also again, oh LaMarcus Lamar Jackson,
excuse me? In big spot isn't very good and he's
actually excellent. Stafford and Mahomes are up there. Cayleb Williams
has been a good fourth quarter quarterback. So it is interesting.
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And this is on passer rating, by the way, which
passer rating includes touchdowns, yards, interceptions, completion percentage, It includes
all the stuff that matters. Doesn't mean you come back
to win the game. But I remember winning a game
entails coaching and defense. Is it Caleb's fault that Washington's
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beat Chicago and hail Mary? Is that Caleb Williams fault?
He wasn't on the field. So but it is interesting.
There's always this mythology about who Tony Romo He's a
terrible Nope, he was a great fourth quarter quarterback. Matt
Ryan because he lost to Super Bowl. Matt Ryan was
a great fourth quarter quarterback. Aaron Rodgers because of that.
Jared Cook, Dallas performance, Oh, it's terrific. He's actually not
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regular at all in my lifetime. The four quarterbacks, five
quarterbacks in my lifetime who I consider the all time
best late game quarterbacks, Lway, Montana, Brady Mahomes. That's it
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for And I'm not saying there's not other guys that
are really good, but those four jump out to me. Mahomes, Brady,
Joe Montana, and John Elway. And so now now you say, oh,
with Jayden Daniels, well, remember because you're great at Hale
Mary's doesn't make you a great fourth course. I mean,
Jaden Daniels, we have a very small samples. I mean again,
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I think Jayden is really really good. And this is
not perfectly linear in terms like Stafford is a better
fourth quarter quarterback. I'm gonna say that Jaden Daniels, but
he didn't have you know, he didn't have a Hail
Mary this year, and that goes a long way. But
just be careful about lumping guys into categories that don't
really fit. The data will tell you who's great late.
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You know Russell Wilson for years and years, you know
in Seattle, Remember Russell Wilson's brand was the rainbow late
throws in games. Well, I'm the same in Pittsburgh, so
I think I think you can definitively say that Russell
Wilson is a very very good crisis quarterback late in games.
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I've seen it in Pittsburgh and I saw it in
see I think that's fair to say. Matt Ryan, who
by the way, is a very good broadcaster, by the way,
getting better every week. He's really good. Matt Ryan, to me,
the Super Bowl tagged him as a bad late game quarterback,
and I always thought he was excellent. I thought Matt Stafford,
though he didn't win a lot in Detroit, was very
good late and now in Los Angeles where he has
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a chance because he got better components around him and
a better coach, Matt Stafford's a very good fourth quarter quarterback.
But Romo always got ripped for that, and it was nonsense.
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but
I bet if you went and looked up Tony Romol's
fourth quarter all time passer writing, I bet you it's
top fifteen in the league, all right. Joel Klatz around
the corner. The latest on Christian McCaffrey for the forty
nine ers and thoughts on Kyle Shanahan his future in
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CMC's Future. Drew Brees drops by an hour three as well.
The show is Hummond. We had good week Tom Brady yesterday.
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of your day. Joel Clat One hour from now, all
the crazies and we love them. All the crazies in
college football are freaking out. Twelve team bracket comes out again,
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only a couple left before the real deal. December twentieth
is when it starts, So Jmac, everybody's freaking out, Oh
freaking out.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
How can you put Vama in? How can you leave
Miami out?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Terrible job, able check.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's why I want to start with this. In my life,
I love college foot It's always had one issue. One
issue is that it's got a big game shortage because
nobody wants to lose games, so everybody ducks competition I
mean USC this year open with LSU and close with
Notre Dame. That's like way above average. What you'd like
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to see every year is Ohio State saying, hey, let's
go play Texas and Oklahoma. But it doesn't happen. And
so I have always believed I am gonna give you
extra credit by just scheduling a game. You may lose it.
But if you're willing to schedule a game and you
lose it in overtime or it's close, it matters to
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me who you play. In the NFL, you can't control
your schedule, but in college football, you control three or
four of the games, and I'm paying attention. So team
playoff comes out. The big criticism is Miami two losses
should be in and Bama three losses should be out.
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So let's forget out of conference for a second. First
of all, Bama plays in a much better conference. Well
that's not fair. Well it's not fair. Some people are
born rich and some people are born in middle class.
It is what it is. The SEC those high schools
got the best players, they recruit the best player. Secs
better than Alabama plays in that The ACC is a
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hot tire fire. It's a mass it's awful. Second, Bama
beat Georgia. That's a big time win, you know, the
big win for Miami seven and five Florida. That's our
big win. So Bama played in a better conference. Bama's
got a better win. Here's the other thing. Both of
Miami's losses have come in the last three weeks, so
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it looks like they're a little wobbly right now. I
don't love that. The other thing, the ACC's awful. So
the best teams in the ACC or SMU, Miami, and Clemson. Bizarrely,
they didn't play each other. They didn't play each other,
so all of them stockpiled wins over terrible teams. Meanwhile,
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Bama is going through the SEC gauntlet. And yeah, they
went to Oklahoma, got caught flat footed. Oklahoma's got, you know,
fifteen kids that are gonna play in the NFL. Like you,
sometimes you go to a game, they're ready to play
and you're not. And I don't think Alabama's great. I
think they're good. I just think Miami, if they played them,
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is less good than Alabama's good. And I don't want
Alabama at three losses to get in. But they've got
a better win. It's a better conference. And by the way,
Alabama against ranked teams this year currently ranked teams three
and one. Do you know what Miami, Clemson and SMU
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are against ranked teams this year?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Zero and four?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Stockpiled wins over nonsense. There are no great teams this
year in college football. I think Texas is really good,
really good. I don't think they're great. Great is the
seventy five, you know I would go Great is the
Tommy Fraser Cornhuskers, the Reggie Busch Trojans, the Joe Burrow
LSU team. There was a Miami team Butch Davis assembled
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that was great. We've had about five or six great
teams this year. I think we have won very very
very good team. Texas Oregon maybe that as well. I'm
not sure, but I think they could be. And then
it's a bunch of Ohio State and Penn State and
Alabama's and Tennessee's and Georgia's. But you're trying to get
me upset because two losses. These aren't standings. Even in
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the NFL, you can win a division. Somebody's gonna win,
you know, the NFC South, and they may be eight nine,
and then somebody's gonna be left out with probably ten wins.
That's the way it works in prop and in college football.
Where you play who you play, it may not be
your fault. Again, it's not your fault for a lot
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in life. It doesn't make it untrue. And I would
trust Alabama in a big game over Miami because I
think Kaylin de Boor is a better coach than Mario Christobal,
and I think with a couple of weeks to prep,
I take the better coach. So it's not the end
of the world. But better schedule, better win, better against
ranked teams, you know the other Let me just throw
this out here. I always had this theory. I know
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this just comes across as just a terrible thing to say,
But if I pay for the wedding, I get to
make the seating chart. Okay, who pays for college football
in the playoff? The networks, So I wouldn't even have
a problem if everything was even, and you went down
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twenty different lists of record home away, and it was
even at the end. It's a coin flip, and the
network's said, I'd rather take the massive fan base of
Alabama in over a Miami team that gets twenty eight
thousand for a home game, I pay for the wedding.
I get to decide the seating chart. And right now,
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I mean in baseball, major League Baseball, you know who
was really on Major League Baseball for the pitch clock Fox?
In ESPN, you know who created that game. In Europe,
Phillies Mets Fox, Field, the Dreams Fox, you know, outfield Shift.
They didn't listen to purists. TV networks pay the bills
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they get to say in this stuff. The NFL's always
understood that. I mean, they change rules annually. You just
make it a better TV product. But and that's like
the final box, that's not the first box. But I'm
not losing sleep because two loss Miami may not get
in in Alabama. Three loss and the toughest conference with
a great coach is gonna get it. If that's what
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we're losing, a couple of pretty good teams who have
stubbed their toe. I'm sorry. I don't need melatonin to
sleep tonight. I'm gonna be just fine. Joel Clatton one hour. Okay,
I saw this story. You know how some things are
true and you and some people and maybe it's just
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a money thing that people don't want to spend. Maybe
these rich billionaire owners are cheap. Probably are, that's why
they're billionaires, right. But I saw Pro Football Talk had
a story this morning the Chicago Bears should call the
Niners about Kyle Shanahan. And I know what you're saying,
WHOA take a deep breath. Timing is everything. So first
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of all, let's establish this to be true. At any
one time in my life, there's been about four to
five rock star head coaches, like any industry, tech, law,
medicine football coaching. At any one time, the NFL's got
five rock stars. They're just better than everybody else. Jim
Harbaugh to the Chargers, completely changed the franchise with the
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same roster. Sean Payton in Denver takes over Chernobyl. Now
they're going to make the playoffs. Sean McVay to the Rams,
dead franchise, double digit wins year one, rockstar Andy Reid,
Chiefs are lost to the playoffs to a dynasty. Shanahan's
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considered in that class. They don't get to more about
Kyle later in the show. The only thing that amazes
me is that more people, more owners don't consider this.
Hello Harbaugh McVeigh, Hello, I mean when the Niners were terrible.
They got Jim Harbaugh and then he left and they
got terrible, and they got Kyle Shanahan. Now we didn't
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know Shanahan was a rock star head coach at the time,
but we knew he was a rockstar coordinator at the time.
He was the best coordinator in the league. And I
look at all these Bears candidates. Oh, Ben Johnson, he's
an OC. Let's be honest, little different guy, little quirky guy,
doesn't have the gravitas. If I had to guess, he
is great coordinator, not a head coach. That's my guest.
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Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame, Well, he was a great recruiter.
Oh yeah, that doesn't matter. In the NFL, he could be.
But I would give up multiple picks for Kyle Shanahan
because even first round picks, you don't really know what
you're getting. You don't, I mean, you really don't know
what you're getting after about the first eight picks, and
even sometimes in the first eight picks you're like, yeah,
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but eight practices in that doesn't work. You know what
you're getting with Kyle Shanahan. You're gonna get that run game,
the schemes. Now here's the utter thing, and you're thinking,
why would he leave? In my lifetime, there has been
one quality that smart people have shared, men and women.
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One quality, and it's not where you went to college.
It's not who you know. No, No, the smartest people, the Murdochs,
have been great at this. They get out of the
movie business at the perfect time, they get out of
the regional sports networks at the perfect time. The ability
to understand timing, okay, is really really the one thing
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in my life that highly successful people. Mark Cuban, by
the way, just sold his NBA franchise. He knows something right.
He was the guy that came in, the young brash owner.
Nobody treated their players like Mark Cuban. He changed how
players were treated. He was ahead of the curve. Now
he's selling his team. Probably know something. Look at Kyle
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Shanahan's situation. Smart guy don't know Kyle know many that do.
Smart guy about to have to pay brock Purdy, who's
now a little small and hurt for the second time
to compete against Mahon and Allen and Lamar and Herbert
and C. J. Stroud and Jalen Hurts. Brock Purty you
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want to roll with that. You don't have a trophy yet,
that's your trophy quarterback. Secondly, Christian McCaffrey clearly, and I
love him, he is peaked. Third it's an old, expensive,
increasingly brittle roster. And here's Chicago coach fired, coach fired,
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coach fired, coach fired. Are the Bears smart enough to
look at the rams and go, look what McVeigh did?
This has a Tony Dungee to the colts field where
you had this surging young star quarterback. Tony's in Tampa
and says, I'm going to go up there and I'm
going to get my side of the ball right and
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Tony Dungee demanding the perfect fit Shanahan of the Bears.
My only question is are the McCaskey smart enough to
offer it draft picks? Are you kidding me? Yeah, let's
see linebacker or Kyle Shanahan tight end or change the
franchise forever? Not a tough call. J mack, I told
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you this morning, got a good night's sleep, Ready to roll?
My friend, you're a.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Fire getting off a couple of one liners. They're chir
noobyl reference. Well it was nicely?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Does I mean and by the way. Peyton's great example.
They have the Russell Wilson mess. They have no momentum.
They gave up draft capital. By the end of last year.
You were like, yeah, Russell's actually back to being pretty good,
good enough, the Steeler said, we'll take him. Oh, by
the way. And now with draft cap, this is the
thinnish roster Sean Payton'll ever have. If they come out
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of the buy and win their nine to five, they're
making the playoffs with a rookie quarterback in the division,
with the current dynasty in the division, with arguably the
two best coaches in the sport Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And a huge dead cap hit.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Don't fut in that massive dead cap hit.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Impressive job.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Just the Bears have players, The Bears have receivers. The
Bears that what the Bears don't have is a culture
creator and a schematic genius. I would give up. I
would give up multiple first round picks.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I mean it's not bad. I still like my Marcus
Freeman hot take a couple by Notre Dame Buddies.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Stop Jason. We do not want to lose Marcus. We
don't know if it works. We don't know if he's
going to be an NFL coaches best way, Hold on,
hold on.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
What do we know about Kyle Shanahan in fourth quarters?
I mean he's been awful fourth quarters. The Bears could
just take wins the Bear. I'll tell you what the
Bears would love to have a problem with. We keep
blowing fourth quarter leads. They just like the lead going
into the fourth quarter. They got their issues are We're
getting blown out regularly.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
We're dysfunctional.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
You think he's leaving San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I'm telling you the single gra If you could look
at the Murdock's history, who owned this company Fox News,
I could argue their greatest skill is exits. So are
you to build an exit? The movie industry collapsed, they
got out, sold it to somebody else.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So you feel like the Niners are the Titanic right
now they're sinking.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
No, I feel it's timing. I left a network. Wasn't
the Titanic. It was time. And I'm certainly not qualified
to conclude myself in any category of smart people. But
I'm saying is timing is a real thing. Don't fall
in love, fall in like with everything, but your family
and kids, fall in like with stuff the Niners. It's
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great fall in like with the Niners. Coaches should never
fall in love with their billionaire owner because I got
news for you. Back to back losing seasons and a
billionaire owner is gonna jettison you. So I'm just saying
that if you look at what Chicago's never had a
brilliant offensive guy, Chicago's a huge brand. I mean it
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was just like Harbaugh went to La. He's like, it's
in La. I've got Herbert. I can be their first
Super Bowl winning coach. I got a left tackle, I've
got pass rushers, I got a bos I got this day.
There are so many components of the Bears that are
the Chargers. They're like and so you can look at
a team's history, what do you want to change history?
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And I just think I think you have to look
at it. A lot of stuff sounds crazy. Kevin Durant
goes from Okase to the Warriors sounded crazy. Tom Brady
Jettison's Belichick to go to Tampa sounded crazy. Herbert's leaving
his alma mater to go to the Chargers. A lot
of stuff sounds crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
What do you think Shanahan's wife will say? If he says, honey,
we're leaving the beautiful Bay Area, We're moving to Chicago.
You think his wife would say.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Can't wait. California taxes thirteen percent, Chicago four point nine.
Can't wait. It's not like the winter weather in San
Francisco's Palm Springs anyway, Hey, you gotta wear gloves. What
it's fast And by the way, in the winter, he's
inside anyway, he's coaching, he's not out on the beach.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (16:01):
Joe Klatt forty five minutes from now. All sorts of
things to talk about. Drew Brees joining us two hours
from now. So Tom Brady the Goat, was on the
show yesterday. They heard yesterday and bounced around a lot
of topics. But he went to Michigan obviously, and you know,
I think all of us that follow college football, it
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was a jaw dropping loss for Ohio State, stacked roster
at home, better at quarterback, much better offense, solid defense,
losing to Michigan that could not throw the ball, They
did not exploit their best players wide receivers, and Tom
Brady talked about that Ryan Day Ohio State performance.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
If I looked at Ohio State shrinks and we says
they have a great seven on seventeen. They got guys
that can throw the ball to in the second half,
they don't even target their best players. So to me,
it's like I may as well ben out there playing
receiver for Ohio State. I can't run, I couldn't catch,
but it doesn't matter if you don't throw me the ball.
And I thought the best thing that coach Belichick did,
and there was a lot of them, was he would
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clearly define for offense, defense, and special teams, this is
how we're going to win the game this week. You
gotta have some formula for what you're trying to accomplish.
What's the bullseye that we need to hit? So why
don't we just dial it down and dial it back
to the only the specific ones where our best players
are going to touch the ball doing the best things
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that they do. And we're going to go out like that.
If we lose, we lose. If we win, you know great,
but we're not going to lose doing things that we
don't do well.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And It's not that Ohio State can't run the football,
but as many pointed out, Ryan Day hates the label
that Michigan now is the program that's physical and in
the Midwest that just lands hard. For Ryan Day, he
does not want to be known as the coach that
has created a softer program. But the truth is, and
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I've talked about this to Urban Meyer on this show.
When you recruit the best receivers in the country every
year in Alabama and Ohio State do it does change.
It does change how you play. By the way, Andy
Reid went to Philadelphia, blue collar Philadelphia, and he was
the coach that started to run on a first down
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and started to pass on third and two. Andy Reid
went into tough guy Philadelphia and he said, you know what,
I'm gonna look at Donovan McNabb and my wide receivers
and the culture changes in football. We're gonna pass the
ball on third and two. And he got to five
NFC championships because that's what he thought worked best for
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the culture changes and his personnel. He had a pretty
good quarterback, and so you play to your personnel, and
if you recruit the best wide receivers in the world,
in college football, and Ohio State does. That's what you are.
Don't be ashamed of it. If you want to stop
recruiting them, fine, But fewer and fewer kids in America
play in high school football want to be running backs
because their careers are shorter and you make less money.
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The most talented high school football players and the smart
ones want to be quarterbacks, ed rushers, wide receivers. So
it's hard to find great running backs. The state of California,
on an annual basis, thirty eight million people will have
two elite running backs two they'll have one hundred Division
one wide receivers. Kids are smart, they know where the
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money is, so an Ohio State recruits that position better
than anybody. The other thing that hurts is Ohio State
is in a weird, weird spot where Ryan Day beats
everybody except Michigan. He's one and four against Michigan, He's
sixty three and two against everybody else. And so when
you have a rival like a Duke Carolina in basketball,
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Ohio State Michigan, you gotta beat your rival when they're vulnerable,
and this was the vulnerable year for Michigan. Not good
at quarterback. Game was in Columbus Harbad just left and
they gave it to a coordinator. Remember, Ohio State dominated
this thing from like two thousand and four to two
thousand nine. They dominated this rival. They were vulnerable. One year,
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the Luke Fickle year, Michigan beat them, but Ohio State
with Trussel, Ohio State with Urban always beat Michigan. And
then that that one wobbly year with Luke Fickle, Michigan
beat them. This was the beat Michigan year because next
year the game's in an arbor. Next year they have
a five star, best high school quarterback in the country
and momentum. So now Michigan's in Ohio State's head. The
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game goes to an arbor, and Michigan's got the better quarterback,
which you know matters. So it's a weird spot. If
Ohio State loses its first game and right now in
the playoff they play Tennessee, my pick before the season
to win the Natty, and they lose that game. I
wouldn't fire Ryan Day because I think he's a good coach.
Be careful about firing good coaches unless you have a
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great coach in the offing, and I'm not sure they
do jmck with a.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
News No, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Let's start in the NBA Colin because, uh, something interesting
happened last night with Steve Kirk. Look at this. He
is as irate as he's been that I've ever seen him.
The Warriors were playing the Nuggets, of course, and Kerr
thought Christian Braun of Denver called a timeout. Denver didn't
have any timeouts, so it should have been the Warriors
ball and a free throw obviously for the Tech. Instead,
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Kerr got a technical foul and it was a close
game and the Warriors ended up losing. You're Steve Kerr.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Afterward, Brown called a timeout. He drove on the floor,
he rolled over. Everybody saw it except for the three
guys we hired to do the games. And that makes
me angry. That's a technical foul. They don't have a
time out left, it's a technical foul. We shoot a
free throw, we get the ball, We got a chance
to win the game. They all told me they didn't
see it. It's up to the referees to see somebody's
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that's why we waved three of them. Somebody's got to
see it. So that, yeah, that made me mad.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, refs blew it. They blew it.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Gotta blame somebody blame the zebras well. By the way,
you see the Warriors coming back to earth just a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, their their formula is a nice regular season formula.
Play eleven guys. I don't think eventually you're gonna beat
the Nuggets. I don't think you're gonna beat ok C,
Boston Celtics. I don't think you're beating those teams plays.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
They lost Melton. I think to an acl the guard,
he was good rotational piece, not looking great all of
a sudden in Golden State, Denver, starting to come around
behind this Jokic fellow who's is quite good.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
He is so much better than the second best player
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Oh, I don't know about that. If I said to you,
are you watching Luca closely?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Honest?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Did you just roll your eyes at Luca?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Let me ask you this. If I said to you,
there's a player in the NBA that got thirty five points,
seventeen assists, and fifteen rebounds in the game, you'd go wow,
unless it was Jokic, and you'd go, oh, it's Wednesday.
Jokitch's stat line is the only one in the league.
It's like Lebron James. When Lebron went thirty two, twelve
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and twelve, Like Magic Johnson, you were like, Yeah, that's
that's called Wednesday. For everybody else in the league, Jokic's
stat line would be even for like Jannis and Luca.
If Luca went thirty five, seventeen and fourteen, you'd go,
that's maybe the greatest game in the history of Luca's career.
Jokicch does that constantly.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
It is he makes things look really I don't know
that I've ever seen an athlete in any sport who
makes it look this easy, messy kind of sometimes in soccer,
Patrick Mahomes sometimes when he's throwing the ball makes it
look just effortless. But Jokich almost every time down the floor,
he's like not really hustling, not trying, but he's just dominating.
It's never seen anything like him before. Next up, Colin,
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all right, we had Tom Brady on the show yesterday. Yeah,
he said something that people got a little worked up
about online.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Shocker.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
He was talking about the hit on Trevor Lawrence and
Brady the Goat had a suggestion to improve the game.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Maybe they fine or penalize a quarterback for sliding late,
you know, and say, look, we if we don't want
these hits to take place, we've got to penalize the
offense and the defense.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I don't know if you have to penalize the offense,
but if it knocks a quarterback out and there's no
penalty call, that is a penalty because a quarterback is
more valuable than a safety or a linebacker. Ultimately, if
you look at this, I wish we could slow mo this.
And if you look at it, Trevor slides late. He
slides if he stopped it. When he starts to slide,
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he's and you're you're asking the defense, what do you
mean slides late? Look at this? But I you know what,
if I could hit I would have hit him too.
Oh it's too late?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
What what? What do you Okay? I don't understand what
slides too late means. He starts to truck the ball and.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Look at Look at the yard line he slides on.
It's the yard line post to slide about three steps earlier.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Oh, come on, you know how bang bang this game is?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I heard from more people about Brady's take on this
yesterday and it was than anytime Brady's been on the show.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
People are I agree with Tom. You guys want to
penalize defensive No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
No, we don't want to penalize defense. We want to
protect the most important player.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
That's what quarterback is.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You know what. Sometimes you got to protect yourself. I
want to protect my kids, but they probably shouldn't jump
off tall buildings. Sometimes you have to protect yourself. The culpability,
the responsibility isn't always on everybody else making sure you're protected.
I'm a defensive player. I'm going to intimidate you. It's
not my job to protect you. It's your job to
protect you. You're good at analogy. If well, if you
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go out three in the morning, is it law enforcements
responsibility to protect you or do you not being out
at three in the morning, did the morning have to
do a sliding Because people have to own their own safety.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
He slid. This wasn't late.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
He slid way late, you know on time. By the way,
Brady got hit like that one time. He never got
hit like that again.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, Lamar Jackson, Russell, all these guys, you gotta protect
the quarterback. They are the most important position in the sport,
in all of sports. You start taking out these quarterbacks
with cheap shots, which is what that was. Fine, the
game's gonna stake, you know, we lose quarterbacks and then
the team's got to play on Monday and at football
and you're like, oh, is a crap game. I'm not
watching this, you know, Like that's that's what the sport is.
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You've gotta protect me.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Just asking for a little personal responsibility that we can't
create a sport that defensive players can't be intimidating, that
can't make great plays.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Is there no other way to be intimidating besides head hunting?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It's pretty pretty formidable as a weapon for intimidation. I
don't know, maybe a.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Little disappointed in you count, but it's early.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
By the way. You know who hit late a lot,
Lawrence Taylor? It works. Play play through the whistle. A
whistles like a yellow light. Do you stop forty feet
before the yellow light? You know what yellow light means?
In my car? Speed up, get through it.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
It's difficult. I don't do that anymore because I got
a red light camera ticket. Have you got one of those?
Speaker 7 (27:09):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I slowed out at all. I look for the camera
and I instantly slowed out. It's a five hundred dollars
ticket in LA.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It's garbage.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
So anyways, let's go to the final story in the
Detroit Lions. Their season has been great, but man, these
injuries are mounting. Collins head coach Dan Campbell credits the
team's mindset as a reason for the success and says, hey,
we got injuries, but it's that time of the year.
We're ready for the postseason.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Weren't playoff football right now like that. That's that's where
we're at. We're in December, and our schedule says that, Man,
we played tough opponent after tuflpoling, after tump we got
another one. I mean, we we got plenty coming up.
So and this is the type of stuff that you
live for, and it's also the type of stuff to
get you ready for the tournament.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Nobody has a tougher end of the season five games
than the Lions. Their final five of oponents Colin have
a combined record of thirty eight and twenty two, and
all of them, mathematically, I guess, are still in the
playoff line.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
No, it's interesting, who's the hottest team in football? Right now, Yadelphi,
if the Lions and the Eagles played today, who would
you take?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Where's the game.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Indianapolis neutral site. Now, let's say let's say it's I
don't care where's at. They're both good at home, they're
both good on the road. It doesn't matter where's at.
Who would you take right now?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I would go Eagles.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Same here.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
A lot of this is attrition. Philadelphia is healthier. AJ
Brown's back, Detroit's banged up, They're on their sixteenth linebackers.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
And then what happens to the Let's spin this forward.
Let's say Philadelphia wins the NFC championship. Remember Cam, what
do you think Ben Johnson? Is he still like, what
we got to get to a Super Bowl? I'm staying here?
Or is he like, all right, we had our chances twice.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I gotta move on because that's a big one. Colin.
This Lions thing could go on for a few more years.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Remember this, it's not who the best team is in
October and November. The Kansas City Chiefs have proven time
and time again. Think about the last three or four
Super Bowl champs. Kansas City scuff's a little in October
November great in the playoffs. Tom Brady in Tampa seven
and five, go to a bye. Get hot. Buffalo's hot
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right now, and Philadelphia is hot right now. Baltimore's not.
Detroit feels like they I'll tell you another team to
keep your eyeing Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Oh wait, what is Detroit done to?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, they're banged up, They're not fifty two seventeen ain't
happening anymore. They went to Indianapolis against the quarterback who
doesn't throw the ball greatly and scuffed. They're not the
same team as they were three weeks ago. They went
through about a seven game stretch where you were like
the hell is that? And blowing people out like Bama.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So I brought up the Ben Johnson angle because there's
also the Aaron Glenn. He's gonna be interviewing. So now
you have this amazing Lions run, seems like we're headed
to the super Bowl. Injuries mount and they don't get
to the super Bowl, and now you got maybe Ben
Johnson and Aaron Glenn both departed.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I think a bad organization would go after Ben Johnson.
I think the people I talked to in the league
that I trust have skepticism on Ben Johnson as a
franchise coach. They think he's a great coordinator. By the way,
many had issues with Cliff Kingsbury as a head coach.
I talked to people all before he got hired, and
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people were like, let's see if it works. But he
couldn't win in the Big twelve. I'm not sure he
can win in the NFC West. Ben Johnson may just
be a great number two. We've seen that for years.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
He probably wants to find out if he can be
a number one, right.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
So I don't know if he does. I don't I mean,
I've never met him. I've never talked to him.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
But I think everybody wants to lives as it came.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I don't think that's true.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Really.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, there's plenty of great radio guys in Des Moines,
Iowa that love it Voice of the Hawk Eyes. They're like,
they look at my job and think, yeah, I'd rather
I want to live, you know, next to the farm
I grew up on.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I think there's probably more people that well, I don't know.
I think you know that he's been in football for
like twenty years at least.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And he's making three and a half million a year
living in a beautiful suburb in Birmingham, Michigan.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
So you don't think he wants to Hey, let me
see what else is out there. Life is an adventure.
Let me try being a head coach. Maybe it fits,
maybe it doesn't, But I want to see. I want
to find out.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I don't think as many people as you do. You know,
forty percent of people never leave their area code.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
That's a strange. That's true.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And by the way, if you look at mobility statistics,
we are less mobile than people think. Most Americans, if
they get a great job and they have friends, they
don't want to move. I had this idea that everybody's
got to get the brass ring. That doesn't make you happier.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, not everybody's chasing yea.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Not everybody's Elon Musk and literally doesn't sleep.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
And that's to colonize Mars like he's got some dreams
and goals.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, I don't think. I think being an offensive coordinator
with the Lions and knowing you're gonna win twelve games
a year and if you lose, you don't get the
heat is a great American football job. I think. Now
there's other guys like Sark, and I think Sarks. You know,
Sark can recruit. He there are guys like Sark who
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are more aspirational. That's good too, But I think that
stuff takes a toll on your private life. And I
think Ben Johnson, he may have a wonderful family, he
may have cousins, but nearby I mean, by the way, Shanahan,
Shanahan grew up in the Midwest, you know that.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I think it was his dad at Denver when he
was going was.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
A Colorado and Balso. I think he was born in Minneapolis.
That Chicago Bear job maybe just what Shanny's looking for.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I'm just worried about this Lions team, man, I really
you might be onto something that they just peaked a
little early.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
That runner who gets out he go Look at the
last several years Super Bowls. I'm not joking when I say,
damn Tampa team got hot in week thirteen. The Chiefs
the last couple of years were rudderless in like early November.
This is a long season. I got a couple of
by the way, Buffalo now and Buffalo seven weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Before Mary Cooper showed up. Did they lose to the
Ravens like thirty five to ten.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
On they were, they were a little lost.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
But this seaman. I got buddies who are Lines fans.
I've been texting them like, oh, super Bowl bound, see
you in New Orleans and all of a sudden like that'
stuff has stopped the last week since that Thanksgiving game
and the injuries.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, Jack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter. They're not am Pacific.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
So uh, you know, we all know this. We watched
this on Monday night when we saw Bonnicks once again
play very well in the fourth quarter. And we know
a couple of things about the NFL is that you know,
once you get to the playoffs. I mean, right now
in the NFL, there are eight teams that have three
wins or less, so that there's a pretty large bottom.
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Those teams are all gone in the playoffs. And then
there's gonna be a bunch of teams that finished with
seven or eight wins. They're not gonna make the playoffs either.
It's gonna be the best coaches and the best quarterbacks,
and the margins get very thin, so playing quarterback at
a high level in the fourth quarter is really really important.
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Brady was the best I've ever seen at it. Montana
was amazing. John Elway was amazing. Ma Holmes is amazing.
And here is Brady talking about all the narrow wins
the Chiefs have picked up this year. On late game execution, I.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Just think the Chiefs are so dangerous because if it's
a one score game in the fourth quarter and Patrick
has the ball, he just he's incredible. He's so dangerous
because then he has four downs late in the game,
where you got to stop him for four downs, not three.
Patrick is going to manage the game so well, He's
gonna throw to the open guy when it's a He's
got Travis out there that is gonna make the right
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decisions and the big moments like we've seen time and
time again. So they have a group of players that
organization does so many things the right way way. It's
a lot like the teams that I played for at
the Patriots. If you were going to beat us, men,
you had to beat us. We weren't going to beat ourselves.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And you had to exit out execute them in the
fourth quarter. So here's what's funny. About fourth quarters for
years and years. A lot of its mythology. Tony Romo
is a bad fourth quarter quarterback. No, he's not. He
was great, but the Cowboys are high profile. He had
a couple of bad picks in high profile games, and
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he was labeled a bad late game quarterback. He was
actually excellent, one of the better fourth quarter quarterbacks I
can remember. You know another thing, uh, Matt Ryan super Bowl.
Matt Ryan was a great fourth quarter come from a
hind quarterback. He's got thirty eight fourth quarter comeback wins.
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But he the Super Bowl right, high profile game. He's
no good late Matt Ryan was a great fourth quarter quarterback.
You know he's not good. Aaron Rodgers all time twenty
two fourth quarter comebacks. Well that's because he has led now.
Russell Wilson has thirty two and he led to Aaron's
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total mythology. You've seen it this year like six different times.
Bo Nicks this year is a better fourth quarter quarterback
than Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's was always built on a couple
of big plays. The Jared Cook completion against the Cowboys
on the sideline, one of the great top ten throws
of all time, and it's oh, Aaron's magic. No, he's
not not. He has fewer fourth quarter comebacks than Ryan Tannehill.
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So right now the highest fourth quarter passer rating number one,
Russell Wilson, LaMarcus Jackson. Also again, oh LaMarcus Lamar Jackson,
excuse me? In big spot isn't very good and he's
actually excellent. Stafford and Mahomes are up there. Cayleb Williams
has been a good fourth quarter quarterback. So it is interesting.
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And this is on passer rating, by the way, which
passer rating includes touchdowns, yards, interceptions, completion percentage, It includes
all the stuff that matters. Doesn't mean you come back
to win the game. But I remember winning a game
entails coaching and defense. Is it Caleb's fault that Washington's
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beat Chicago and hail Mary? Is that Caleb Williams fault?
He wasn't on the field. So but it is interesting.
There's always this mythology about who Tony Romo He's a
terrible Nope, he was a great fourth quarter quarterback. Matt
Ryan because he lost to Super Bowl. Matt Ryan was
a great fourth quarter quarterback. Aaron Rodgers because of that.
Jared Cook, Dallas performance, Oh, it's terrific. He's actually not
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regular at all in my lifetime. The four quarterbacks, five
quarterbacks in my lifetime who I consider the all time
best late game quarterbacks, Lway, Montana, Brady Mahomes. That's it
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for And I'm not saying there's not other guys that
are really good, but those four jump out to me. Mahomes, Brady,
Joe Montana, and John Elway. And so now now you say, oh,
with Jayden Daniels, well, remember because you're great at Hale
Mary's doesn't make you a great fourth course. I mean,
Jaden Daniels, we have a very small samples. I mean again,
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I think Jayden is really really good. And this is
not perfectly linear in terms like Stafford is a better
fourth quarter quarterback. I'm gonna say that Jaden Daniels, but
he didn't have you know, he didn't have a Hail
Mary this year, and that goes a long way. But
just be careful about lumping guys into categories that don't
really fit. The data will tell you who's great late.
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You know Russell Wilson for years and years, you know
in Seattle, Remember Russell Wilson's brand was the rainbow late
throws in games. Well, I'm the same in Pittsburgh, so
I think I think you can definitively say that Russell
Wilson is a very very good crisis quarterback late in games.
(39:08):
I've seen it in Pittsburgh and I saw it in
see I think that's fair to say. Matt Ryan, who
by the way, is a very good broadcaster, by the way,
getting better every week. He's really good. Matt Ryan, to me,
the Super Bowl tagged him as a bad late game quarterback,
and I always thought he was excellent. I thought Matt Stafford,
though he didn't win a lot in Detroit, was very
good late and now in Los Angeles where he has
(39:30):
a chance because he got better components around him and
a better coach, Matt Stafford's a very good fourth quarter quarterback.
But Romo always got ripped for that, and it was nonsense.
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but
I bet if you went and looked up Tony Romol's
fourth quarter all time passer writing, I bet you it's
top fifteen in the league, all right. Joel Klatz around
the corner. The latest on Christian McCaffrey for the forty
nine ers and thoughts on Kyle Shanahan his future in
(39:53):
CMC's Future. Drew Brees drops by an hour three as well.
The show is Hummond. We had good week Tom Brady yesterday.
If I didn't hear it, go back to the podcast
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