December 4, 2024 • 34 mins
Richard Sherman sits down with Buffalo Bills cornerback Rasul Douglas to discuss his journey to the NFL, from his junior college years experiencing homelessness, to his early NFL seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles, to bouncing around the league with the Carolina Panthers, Las Vegas Raiders, Houston Texans, and Arizona Cardinals, and to finding success with the Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills. Rasul breaks down his experiences playing against top talents like DeAndre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, and Davante Adams, the challenges Josh Allen and Buffalo faced playing in the snow this past weekend against the San Francisco 49ers, and the fierce loyalty of the Bills Mafia.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
You notice you don't championship. That should always do the expectation.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
All right, man, at you go ahead. Welcome to the
Richard Sherman Podcast. I'm joined here by an incredible guest,
Rasul Douglas of the Buffalo Bills. Appreciate you joining me.
How you feeling. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm doing good, man, I'm doing all good. Man, body
feel good. I don't really feel like it's week thirteen.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So that's a good thing. Knock on that wood, baby,
that's a great thing. That's a great thing.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I gotta talk to you about because you know, you
obviously had success when you when you got drafted to Philly,
you was good. You know, I don't know what really
happened after Philly, but you kind of bounced around a
little bit and DM faun got to Green Bay and
start eating immediately.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Talk talk me.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Through that little that that transitional period, you know what
I mean, what your mindset was like, what kept you going?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
What kept you consistent? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So I mean after I went to Carolina for a
year in twenty twenty, and then after that I decided
to take a chance on myself with Raiders, went through
a period with the raids with them, got into a
kind of altercation fistfight playing the Rams on the joint practice,
got released, then went down to Houston for like two days,
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got released. That was probably the fastest one. Then with
the Arizona, I was kind of on a practice squad
for about five six weeks, just coach telling me, you know,
just keep learning to play, but we're gonna bring you up.
I was practicing, competing, and then I went home for
a weekend and I came back and they were just like, oh,
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bring your iPad in Green Bay, picked you up, and
then just went to Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
But my mindset the whole time was just work.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I mean I was I was not happy with where
I was being on a practice squad being every day.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
You know how practice squad is.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
We want you to want you to go with this route,
we can throw this, we want this your disheleverage, you know,
just tap me up and failure.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And but I always looked at.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It like I'm just gonna compete because at the end
of the day, these are starters I'm playing against. So
I was going against the hop. I was going against
a j Green Christian Kirk, you know, random Moore, than
I was and kind of merged. So I was just like, well,
it's still time for me to get better. I can
use just as a time to get better. And I
kept doing that, and then when I got to Green Bay,
it just coaches was like, man, I see how you play.
I don't want to change how you play, but let
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me help you get better with doing the things you
are good at. And I always tell Jerry Gray just
every time I get a chance to, I was like, man,
I appreciate you for, you know, believing in me taking
a chance because terum, you know how it is in
the league. If you behind a guy who makes a
lot more money than you and you're playing good, when.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
He comes back, that's still his spot.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And then in Green Bay, they was like, nah, well
we play the guys who are playing who played well, uh,
and we don't really care about the money situation. Will
handle that when it's trying to handle that. And they
just let me keep playing. So I appreciate them for
that and them just getting better to me the game
teach me how to watch film for real, because I
think this was when I first started actually learning how
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to like break down film and not just watching it
as in like if it's a movie or something. Right,
So it kind of helped my career. And once that happened,
it's just been taking off from there.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's been taking off.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It seems like you played with so much confidence out there,
you booking everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Obviously y'all lost a lot of leadership last year. It
looks like you've taken on a bigger leadership role, you know,
with with with Trey White and all the boys that
that's left. I think they said y'all lost six captains
or something, you know, I mean, And sometimes you know,
team team got to move on, you know, teams got
on and give you the forward.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Talk me through your journey, because I'm gonna take you back.
I want to.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I want to go to the community college you went
to and then you going to West Virginia, because that's
not a journey that everybody takes, you know what I mean,
And it's not necessarily the usual journey for a guy
that's gonna end up having a lot of success in
our league and playing as long as you have.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
What happened? Why why didn't you go straight out of
high school? So at high school?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I only played my junior my high school and I
really didn't care about playing football, like long term.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It wasn't really like a big thing.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I was just like, man, I'm gonna get a job
and I'm gonna just see what's going out there. At
this point, I'm like, you just need money, you know.
And then this this coach Curtison Billiam. He kept calling
my phone. I'm like, why you keep calling me? And
he he was like, man, I'm a junior college coach
of New York.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
A couple of years. The guys that went to your
high school have came here and have had success.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So I'm like, okay, okay. He's like, man, have you
committed anywhere? Everything about goingwhere? I'm like, nah, I just
probably won't do that. Roll I probably just get a job.
He was like, man, can I just get you to
just come up here and just check it out? So
I went and I drove up to Long Island, New York,
and he stepped me down in his office.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I was like, man like.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Like, who from here goes places? And I was like, man,
I asked him a few colleges, I said, they come here.
He was like, follow me. And we went down to
the gym and I remember we had like the number
one offensive tackle and a number one d tackling during college,
and he was and we had Chad he was committed
to Florida State.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And then we had Lance, who rest in peace. He
died this year.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He had like Alabama and stuff, and we had a
lineback way at USC. So he was like, man, they
all here for a reason. So freshman year, I adn't
really play that much and then I came back. They
switched me from safety to corner. It was like, yoah,
I think that you would be a good corner.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You got a fee for it. I switched the corner.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And then I just blew up. But Jerky Colls was
tough man. That was like every day I quit. One day.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I regret telling the story.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I don't really want to tell it, but I'll tell it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Tell if you regret, but it's not it's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But I always just feel bad when I think about
it because I was a rough place where you know,
like in junk CIDs, like you can like you're fighting,
like you don't got no money, you know what I mean.
And then like we if you're in New York, they
do double tuition, so like if you don't live in
New York. You got to play like out of state tuition,
so it's basically paying double to go to school. So
I'm from Jerry, so I'm paying double. And I remember
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like I just like, bro, like I'm homeless. I'm like
the number two corner in the nation and I'm homeless.
I'm like I'm done, like I quit, like you know
what I mean. And I remember like getting a taxi
a cap and like going back home, you know what
I mean, Like, bro, like it's over, Like I can't
keep doing this.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Like my grandmother she ain't really recognized when she spent me.
I was kimmy, like I done, got to like one
sixty five, and I just I had to tell him.
I was like I'm done, and I'm took a cab
all the ways back home. I told coach. I was
like i quit. And then it took him like two days.
He came back and grabbed me. He was like, man,
like I'm gonna help me out, and he started helping
me out. But there was a lot of guys in
our room because we had a house with like sixteen
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people in like five rooms, and all of them had offers.
And I remember like I was the only one without
offers at the time, and we had all we off
from Jersey, so we always usually meet at like a
spot in like mind clear that was like the middle
ground point where we would meet and one of our boys, Earl,
would give us a ride. And I remember sitting there
waiting for him with my two bags in my hand,
like yo man, y'all y'all going back, And then I
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answering this stuff and then they like texted hour later
like yo man, we all give up, bro, Like it's
just too hard for us. Our families are struggling, we
got kids, you know, we can't do it anymore. And
I'm like, damn. And I remember I walked from because Zori,
where I lived at on Sussex Side. I walked all
the way from near to penystation with no money on
the train. You know, like when you're on the train,
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you got to like get behind somebody that got the
stick pat already stick to their seat and put it
on the back of yours so that it looked like
you've been already on the train to take and get
to where you're going. We we ain't got no money, So
I did that all the way to school, and I
remember just being at the house by myself and everybody
was going, and I was like, oh, they got offers
and I don't, and they just quit, and man, I
just I just had to keep fighting though. Man that
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that was probably like a rough patch of my life,
but it also helped me cause I think at that
point I had to like find God, and.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I think that he was testing me, like do you
it's just something you really want?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Because I think people say it's something they run and
then they signed the terms and conditions and then it's
like I don't really want this, you know what I mean.
So I think he was he was just asking me like, Okay, well,
if you really want this, let me put some adversity
out there and let me see if you quit like
everybody else new, or you keep going. And I kept
going and then I had all the offers I had,
like about twenty come offers, and I told Lester Jens
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that they was one of the first ones to reach
out to me and show me love and they stay
consisted the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So I was like, man, I'm gonna go down there
and be a mountaineer.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Bro. Bro, I don't know, I don't know what You're
ashamed of in that story, I got chill bump.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh, I'm looking at my arms, got the.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Goosebumps because it's a real life story of like like nah,
like you know, because you didn't quit, you know what
I mean, what you did was had doubt for a day,
you know what I mean. Like you didn't quit because
quitting you didn't you don't come back. Yeah, so you
never quit. All you did was was really what you
were human, you know what I mean. And I think
we've always had those moments. I was a sophomore in
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college at Stanford, you know, come from the hood. It's
a weird, weird place, bunch of weird people. And I'm
I'm I'm you know what I mean, kind of feeling
like I don't fit. Harpball gets hired as the coach.
I hurt my knee. We get into it. He tell me,
I ain't never playing offense again.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
When I tell.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You that, boy, I was loan, you know, didn't didn't
even know where to go, you know. All he said
was I never play again. And he was like you,
it's time for you to you need to transfer and
quit and do you know, I mean, go somewhere else.
And you know, I ain't got the kind of family
you could just go back and be like, ah, man,
you know what I mean, I'm about to leave Stanford
and go back to the hood and be like a
y'all was right. I wasn't, you know what I mean.
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I couldn't do it, you know. So I'm sitting there
with a knee injury every day walking back crutching back
to my dorm like, bro, like it's over Like bro,
you you you had all these dreams, you had all
this stuff you wanted to accomplish, and it's over with.
And it was so many times I just wanted to
get in the car just be like, bro, just drive
until we run out of gas and we'll figure it
out from there. But I didn't because I was just like, Bro,
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you can't like they can't be right, you know what
I mean? Like that, like I ain't gonna let y'all
be right right now. And uh, that kept me going.
I ended up switching the defense because he said I
never play offense again. But he didn't say I could
never play, and so I switched to defense. You know,
I was a receiver. I couldn't pedal. Really, my pedal
was stank, like my my stance was nast It was
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bad out there, but I knew all the plays, so yeah,
they trying to signal plays, they trying to line up.
I know exactly what y'all doing. Like I probably had
twelve thirteen picks that that spring ball, like because I
know them all I'm calling about, Bro, it was it
was super fun. I jumped up the Jeff Chart. I
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was the starting corner. Still didn't have a good stance still,
you know, figuring out tackling and stuff. But you fast
forward two years later, I'm in the league and you
know what I mean, I'm making it shape.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, yeah, why the best. I appreciate that. Yeah, but yeah,
ain't nothing. Ain't nothing sad about that story.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Bro, That's a really cool story, and it's gonna What
you don't understand is how much it's going to inspire
some kid that's going through the exact same thing, Like
some kid ready to quit right now. Will hear you
say that and be like, oh, let me give it
one more day?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah? Yeah, because look how far it's taking you.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know what I mean, you want to be V's
in the league, freaking getting books on one of the
best teams in the National Football league. You bounced around,
stay consistent, stayed ten toes down and you getting what
you deserve now yell mean y'all bowling.
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talk to me about because you keep playing in these
cold places and I know you from New York, but
I mean Jersey bad.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
No, I ain't gonna say, but but bro, it looked
rough out there the other.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Day yesterday probably the other day was probably the worst
game because every time we took a step, the whole
bottom of my cleat had like snowing it. So I
remember one time I'm running, I'm like, damn running on
a ball or something, because in the back of my
cleat had a snowball like this big, and in the
front was on the ground, and I'm like, bro, ain't
even move. And I remember everybody coming to the sideline like, oh,
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Swiss cleats. They switching our clasps were going the next job.
We're like, man, these just don't work either. So it's
just like, well, ain't no clear gonna work if those
three don't work. So it's just like you just gotta fight.
And I remember coaches just like look man like, look
just just stay stylid, don't don't give up nothing big
no it's supposed to and then just tackle. He was like,
and we're gonna get through this game and then we'll
be old. So that was just the mindset for us.
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But that snow game, that was crazy. I didn't play
another games where it was cold but not snowing the
ground with like you can't even do nothing with your feet,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Bro, If they don't understand, it's so hard to do
play corner period, like imperfect. So to make it like that,
it's dang near impossible. I can't trust my feet now,
that's the way.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's the thing. And I remember one I remember one player.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
So why he had caught the ball and I remember
both of us were sitting there trying to like stop
together to go back to the football, and he just
caught it with his chest and just went not about like, Bro,
come on, it's no way, bro, I can't get out
my brick.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And it was just it was just bad. It was bad. Bro.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's why where they talk about, oh this is football weather.
I said, Now, if you play corner, that's the most
stressed football you will ever be a part.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Of sadly, because at least the receiver he know, like,
all right, I'm stopping at this point, so he good.
But when you don't know and you just back by,
then it's like, oh, sneph, I got a break now
and you can't get your feet up under you.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, now you can do.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
And then if you make one wrong move or slip
your own Sports Center top ten, everybody looking at you.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
That's why that's why I stay corner to the artist
resistant because it's like one play is just glorified. You know,
a d line out in they gap and they get
a big run that ain't talked about.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's regular, you know what I mean. But once the
corner do it, oh no, it's over.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's over. It's over with every single time. Did you
see that play? Uh that everybody talking about, including myself
with Z's out here here and Trevor Lawrence when he
hit him when.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He was sliding.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what what did you think of that?
Because I'm I'm you know what I mean, I'm in
the in the department where first off, y'all making the
game sow. Second off, like he tried to get a
few extra yards, and yes, the's was was was probably
a hair late, but it wasn't like he dropped dropped
his shoulder and he was trying to he was trying
to like put his arms out and give him a.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Form shah instead of his helmet because it could have
been helmet to helmet if he wanted, but he kind
of like put his on my flight grace. You know,
like you know how your parents do a bad turn,
they put their hand out, they're like stop. That was
one of those.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But, like I said, it's so hard to.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Be dB because you're telling the guy who's running twenty
one twenty two miles per hour to wait till the
last minute to stop. And then we see we see
players like last week where uh was it my homes
scrambling and then the guy thought he was about to slide.
He kind of like pushed him, but he kept running.
So it's like, how do you determine whether he's gonna
slide or not? My thing is as a quarterback, you
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know the rules. If you're gonna give yourself up, get
yourself up early, if you're gonna try to pipe for
another yard or two, then you accept you excepted when
he gets.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Hit right, and you know you gotta expect it, you know.
And that's exactly he had booted. Trevor Lawrence had booted around.
He looking Z's in the odd for like ten yards,
like you knew, dang went stop. You could have been stuff.
You could have been stopped. Could you sitting there?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It's like I can squeak a few more yards out
of this.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I can make it instead of second and second and seven,
I can make it second and two.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And it's like, all right, it's like getting too Yeah,
you're playing with fire. And that's the thing. It's just
too late.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But the game happened fast, and what they do is
they slow it down and they try to and it's like, bro,
I'm going this fast that there's no way I can
stop all my momentum because he'd late. Like now if
he does it early and then I still going to him,
then that's something different, something different. But but I've been
at that play where I did that to Justin Fields
and I was like, bro, like you slid right here,
like like I'm running full speed. I'm I'm and I
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know you running the ball like I'm trying to tackle you.
And then it's like and then the next time he
ran the ball. I didn't hit him, and he kept going,
and I just kind of like, come on, this would
be that little indecisive like I can't and I'd rather
be wrong or right than wrong, you know what I mean.
I'd rather just tackle him like I'm going tackle him
than not. And then he just keeps on. So it's
a tough situation right there. It's a tough situation. And
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that's what people never look like when you play defense.
I hate to make the analogy because people don't understand it,
but you gonna understand. It's like being a black man
in America.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Boy, you're like ever, you're guilty until proven innocent every
single time. And you be sitting there, they'd be like,
you're looking at a play and they slow mowed you
hand fighting with the receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
He pulling your neck, he pushing.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Your head, and you're trying to go off for the ball,
and they're like, that's defensive passing inference. I said, y'all,
when that boy stiff on me in the face and
caught the ball, y'all just said, that's a great player.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And y'all say nothing. I ain't gonna say nothing about that,
not a thing.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And that's the hard part for me is it's hard
enough to play defense as is. Now y'all saying, don't
land on the quarterback, y'all saying every better hand fighting.
If it ain't the receiver, then it's it's a penalty.
And then then you can't hit nobody. Now Now it's
like I'm aiming for your chest and then you duck
down to brace up. I hit you in the head.
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Now you'all trying to suspend me. And it's like taking
money off. You know, they're taking that money. They know,
they know, you know, they're like, man, that's all they
care about is money.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That's the only way we get on them, find his
ass that that's just how they that's how they think
they're gonna take that money.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
They don't do anything else. They're gonna take that money.
They're gonna take it every single time. That's the moment.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Even these even these like what do they call them,
the tackles that they don't like the hip drop. Hip
drop They just made a word for that.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
They literally just that was not a word until like
somebody like, oh that like a hip drop?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Tack? Now is a hip drop? They bandon and they
ain't call it yet. The whole year. No, they because
you can't call it. It's impossible, Like it's impossible. It's impossible. Bro.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
You don't want nobody tackling people low because they take
away they a c L M c L. You don't
want people going high because they can cush in. Now
you want you to hip job tackle. Eventually, you might
as well start pulling out the flag and just say
take the flag of that guy back.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And then you see they they transferring that to like
the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I won't be surprised in a few years and they
just like, you know what, let's just take all of
it out and let's just do that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I wouldn't be surprised. Shit with quarterbacks, I'm with you.
I'm with you. You can't touch the quarterback. You can't. Man.
They like divers out there now and they know they
can't get hit and they know it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
They be sitting there any time they get touched, they're
looking at the ref like you, yeah, state name. But
we're gonna talk about one of your teammates because first off,
I don't know how you as his veteran, letting him
walk around with forty seven on. But Christian Benford is
playing some good football with in that stank number. And
I'm sorry, Christian. I mean this in the most complimentary way.
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It's gonna be hard for you to get any credit
that you deserve until you until you get off the
phone set.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
But he but he know that though, Like it's not
like he don't know that. He know that his number
is like, but it's his number. He feels like, you know,
he want to make that number different. And I told him,
I'm like, man, that's good because now you can't get
out of it now, you.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Know, like you got to you gotta stick with it.
That got to be your number for the rest of
your life.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But bro, like he's a he's a good person, you know,
he's a better person than football player.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like he does he does the right things. He don't
really talk too much.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
He he just worked, you know, And and it's every
day he trying to be better, like oh, asking to
be coach, pushing his though at the practice. We out
there for maybe forty five minutes every day at the practice.
It's getting worked on on stuff that we need or
anything that we might have messed up on in practice,
you know. And he just got that mentality like like
I'm a dog and I gotta I gotta play that
way every time, you know, just because I'm a I'm
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a tough round pick, you know what I mean. So
that's that's just how he played. But man, he's a
he's a hell of a player. He's definitely having like
an all Pro season for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
No question is he's he freaking balling.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Early in the season, we had y'all Miami.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It might have been maybe first game and he might
have had a pick six in the game mistake.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he picked Miami up.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, and he it was just a four to seven,
And I think y'all had another dude out there in
four eight or six for six, that's what it was.
They both I think diff had two and he the
other four six had one.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
No stick that too, and Beffer had one.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Okay, vices yeah, vice versa, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they both
got them numbers.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I don't know. I don't know, but I don't think
they changing them either. They gonna keep.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Them right right, They're gonna keep getting targeted as long
as they they punished them. Though that there's been any
talks about an extension for you in Buffalo, I think
I think they've been talking to my agent about it.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
They didn't really mentioned nothing to me yet, but I
think they've been talking to my agent.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I know last year beginn it. This year the season,
they was talking about it, that they wanted to.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Get something done. But we'll see what's going on after
the season. Probably right now I'm thinking bigger than you. Yeah,
I'm this the year. I feel like we could do
something good. So I'm just trying to put my all
into that at the moment.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
As you should. That's how it's supposed to be. I
ain't trying to try to start nothing, but you're gonna
get with you. I hope you get everything you deserve
it more talk about the Bill's mafia, because they crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
You went from Green Bay, who got some really crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And they own the team and all this other stuff,
and they really incredible passion fans. But then you got
the Bills fans, and they a whole different level of
passion and energy and dedication. They coming up snow to
plow the field for free.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I still don't understand that, to this day, I don't
understand that a billion dollar company got fans out there
snowing it.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I don't understand it. But the fans they love, they
love the Bills. Man, they'll they'll do anything for the Bills.
It's so much love with the fans. They be jumping
off tables, they coming to the game, no shirt on,
no nothing, and they just they just love.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
They love Buffalo. They love everything about it.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
And that's why, like we got it, we gotta give
them something, you know what I mean, A love forever,
something something big that they'll love forever.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
This city might blow up.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I keep telling people, if we do it big this
time next year, we're gonna be the Toronto Bills.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
They ain't gonna be It ain't gonna be the damn Buffalo.
No more. Buffalo will be gone.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
It's gonna be New York and be nothing. The guys
don't just without worry about nobody being better than New York.
It's just gonna be Theronson. Boy, they're gonna be. They're
gonna be building statues of y'all.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Boys. I tell you, I'll tell you, are you gonna
you know?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
If everything goes as is, it's not jinx nothing, it's
not say no crazy words. But if everything goes like
you wanted to, when your dreams come true and there's
a trophy in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
You jumping through a table. I job jumped through it
down table. I jump out with the fan. I'll let
them pick my ass up and throw me. I I
jump out there with him. Tell you I would. I
don't care. At this point he's over, but I do
whatever at that point. That's too funny. Man, who's your
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who is your favorite corner to like study?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Growing up?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You know, everybody got a different you know, when you
was coming up, it was probably you know, they had
the old heads in there, but Reeves was probably in
his prime at that point. Charles just one defensive player
of the year. Who were the guys you were studying
or trying to emulate or if it was nobody, then
it's nobody.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
So I'll be honest. When I first started playing football,
and Reed was like my favorite player ever. So I
always liked this game because I always liked them getting
picked and never like falling, like just running it no
matter if in the back of the end zone anywhere, right.
I grew up liking him. I like Charles Charles Wisson was.
I liked him a lot. And then like what I said,
like when I really started like playing football and I
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actually it was probably like my junior senior year was
probably around twenty twelve thirteen.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
When I start getting there to like it, I would
say you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I was like it was you because I like that
whole Seattle boom legend, the boom y'all had going on,
and how you play it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It just seemed like you always knew where the ball
was going.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And then you got picked because some people were like, oh,
what you count you don't get picked.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'm like, bro, the best corners get picked, Like that's
just what they do. It's just what they do. I
don't want to hear you got one pick and you
saying you're the best coint Like there's there's no way, bro,
there's no way. So I always like that about you.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And you tackle it, you know what I mean, Like
some people don't like tackling it, like, so you just
right out and I'm like, shnna, he's gonna talk and
jumped like me, Like I like that he talked, he
gonna back it up. And I always think that I
always liked the most, like he gonna put all the
lights on him, but he gon't perform. So it's like
you can say whatever you want about somebody when they talk,
and they got everybody watching like what do you do?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
What do you do? What you do? The the end of
the game, you look.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
He got two picks, you got four tackles, and and
the PPU was like, what could you say?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You could can't say nothing. So I would say that y'all,
y'all three for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I appreciate that. Man we put We took a lot
of pride in it. I mean, obviously y'all taking a
lot of pride in and y'all got a really good system
in McDermott, and y'all really trust the scheme.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But that's just what we was doing. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
We had a really good scheme. Even though when you
know the weaknesses of it and everybody know what you're
gonna be in, y'all can't beat us because we're gonna
play it really well. We're gonna execute, and we smashing
y'all when y'all touch it. And we practiced hard ever,
you know, and that's why you come out to practice,
you want. I think people would be more impressed by
us if they came to practice than they was in
the game. Because boys is out there like wolves and
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you would think every one of us is practice squad
trying to make the team.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, that's the best thing. Everybody competing, right.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It led to the organization getting fine and losing draftis sometimes,
but that's their fault.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You shouldn't. They got enough money they can do that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
They y'all told us to practice hard, give us the
off season off. Then if y'all don't want to deal
with this.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
No ot a, do nothing. Just just put that a
little bit of cat and that's it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Look, if y'all don't want to get fined about us
be practicing too hard and getting too physical, then gown
head and sit us home and we'll happily go on vacation.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
But if you put us on this grass that we got,
it's not supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Who's been the toughest receiver to go against for you
so far this year period? Just overall, I mean, see
you you saw Aj late, but Aj was special, man.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I know I remember watching a little bit when he
was with Sissy. He was cold.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
But I still think when I first Jolio Craze, oh Mark,
like I used to be mad guarding him. I'm like, bro,
how you this fast? You stopping on him one two
steps like like just running four speed, twenty.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Five yards out, twenty five yard curls.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I'm like, bro, you know after fifteen yards, I'm ready,
I'm running to go for it.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Got to be in the air. He hot time.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I'm like, oh, man, no needs But he he always was,
like I say, like the toughest him.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
He was tough Tate. Tate was tough Adams he was
tough guarding because Tay is just so at the line,
so lateral.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Bro, everything just looked it looked the same. It's the
skip all looked flat. Oh it ain't slanting them. And
he gives he give you that a little burth like
take got a burst, you know what I mean? Like
he not fast, like long long speed, but he got
a burst. And that's all he need is one two
yards and you throw it right over his safe he
handed and then it's nothing you can do. So like that,
that's what he killed everybody at the line and that
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little burst. And because you're trying to play his speed
when you're slowing down and that you know, he burst
on you. He was like, oh I wasn't ready to
run yet. Now you gotta try to. Then he gets
you every time. But them two was tough. I always
stay ty reard to guard because he said, he's just
so fast.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
If you miss him, it's over, it's over. And you
know what I mean. You never want to get into
a track with him, you know what I mean? So him,
I like.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I like Calvin. I like Calvin really. I think I
think he's a He's a good rod runner too. Every
time he went around, I'll be like, it's nice.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Right, did you see what Sneed did to him in
the playoffs slash. When you're familiar with somebody, it give
you a whole different time.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It's different those practice vibes in the game, like right, yeah, yeah,
I seen that boy.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That boy Sneve was up there practice like like, hey,
I told you if we ever see each other in
the game.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I was like, damn now he had it out. He
had it out for them though. He did it this
then too. He go to ain't thing when they played
Miami this day, he was he was doing that same
exact thing.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I was like, he can play. He just he was
just about to get bare. He wouldn't get got his
money in Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
But he ain't.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
He ain't never gonna get the credit he deserved, no
more because you're in Tennessee unfortunately. Yeah, you know how
Tennessee is. Everybody go over there and they just they
kind of look just look different. They look different. I mean,
he got his money, though. I'm happy for anybody getting money. Yeah,
need that. And what Tennessee don't got no taxes over there.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't think they do. You're right, that's good for him.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Need it all. Needed all. Big fan of your game, man.
I appreciate you coming on, appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'm happy to see you balling, happy to see your
team ball. And even if they beat my former teams,
you know, after a while, I want everybody to get
their ring.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, sometimes that because you got to us like that.
But boy, I tell you what, it ain't nothing worse
than losing one. So that's that'll be my my little
advice to you.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Y'all.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Get that mean that your men will always beat her.
That face you made when you're saying them through that pit.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm down.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I was damn shocking off. That was shocking all. I said,
Wait a minute, what.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, that's that's one thing I never understand.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I always like you know, people always ask you a
sports rig and you always be like, nah, I'm out
there giving it my all. And then you see something
like that and you be like a man, it might
be a little bit, you know, it might be.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Just a little bit. Look, well, clearly I wasn't in
on the rigging. I didn't a strip. Give me a strip.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
That locker room after that game, boy, it was a
furniture moving in there because it did not make sense. Boy, boys,
boys played too hard and ship I lost that one
and we lost the one of my homes them in Miami.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yep, boy, I tell you, the wind felt good.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Wind is great, you get your ringing everything, But the
loss hurt more than wind feel good. So if you
ever get a chance to play in that game, try
your best to impose that that understanding into your teammates that, hey,
you will never forget yourself. Like I don't give a
damn if you did one thing where you went out
and had one drink that week, are you are you
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freaking stayed up two hours later or you did whatever
you're gonna be going back and second guests and everything
you did going up into that game because you get
two weeks. So boys, want to stay routine and staying
they thing. But once you get to the Super Bowl week,
it's a whole different thing. There's so much media, there's
so much anything, and depending on the city, and we
in New Orleans this year, so it's some stuff to
do and boys, boys eat food to eat, it's people
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to see and everybody want to get a PC OFU
and do appearances. And if that's not what you normally do,
then you probably should stay away from it. But it's
like for a week, keep your behind still because my
team is in San Francisco. That's exactly what I told
the young boys. We get there, they go out the
first night we get there to Miami, and I'm like, bro, like,
y'all don't get it, Like y'all y'all went out, Like
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maybe we win this game and y'all don't learn the lesson,
but we lose, You're gonna be sitting there like was
it because I went out?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Was it because I was partying and drinking and hanging out?
Like maybe, Like, but you don't even give yourself the
chance to figure that out. If you go out there
and make that decision, like if you win a super Bowl,
it sticks with you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
If you lose it does the same thing in the
worst way. So sick, sick.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
But I know it's your off day and I appreciate
you you joining me and spend some time with me
having Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Man, you you're you're a heck of a player.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
And if you ever need anything, take my number and
and we'll stay in contact.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I'll send you my.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Little two cents if I if I see them, call
from bs on you r.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Let me know. I'll let you know what I see. Yes, sir,
I appreciate you. I appreciate you
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You notice you don't championship. That should always do the expectation.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
All right, man, at you go ahead. Welcome to the
Richard Sherman Podcast. I'm joined here by an incredible guest,
Rasul Douglas of the Buffalo Bills. Appreciate you joining me.
How you feeling. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm doing good, man, I'm doing all good. Man, body
feel good. I don't really feel like it's week thirteen.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So that's a good thing. Knock on that wood, baby,
that's a great thing. That's a great thing.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I gotta talk to you about because you know, you
obviously had success when you when you got drafted to Philly,
you was good. You know, I don't know what really
happened after Philly, but you kind of bounced around a
little bit and DM faun got to Green Bay and
start eating immediately.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Talk talk me.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Through that little that that transitional period, you know what
I mean, what your mindset was like, what kept you going?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
What kept you consistent? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So I mean after I went to Carolina for a
year in twenty twenty, and then after that I decided
to take a chance on myself with Raiders, went through
a period with the raids with them, got into a
kind of altercation fistfight playing the Rams on the joint practice,
got released, then went down to Houston for like two days,
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got released. That was probably the fastest one. Then with
the Arizona, I was kind of on a practice squad
for about five six weeks, just coach telling me, you know,
just keep learning to play, but we're gonna bring you up.
I was practicing, competing, and then I went home for
a weekend and I came back and they were just like, oh,
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bring your iPad in Green Bay, picked you up, and
then just went to Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
But my mindset the whole time was just work.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I mean I was I was not happy with where
I was being on a practice squad being every day.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
You know how practice squad is.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
We want you to want you to go with this route,
we can throw this, we want this your disheleverage, you know,
just tap me up and failure.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And but I always looked at.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It like I'm just gonna compete because at the end
of the day, these are starters I'm playing against. So
I was going against the hop. I was going against
a j Green Christian Kirk, you know, random Moore, than
I was and kind of merged. So I was just like, well,
it's still time for me to get better. I can
use just as a time to get better. And I
kept doing that, and then when I got to Green Bay,
it just coaches was like, man, I see how you play.
I don't want to change how you play, but let
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me help you get better with doing the things you
are good at. And I always tell Jerry Gray just
every time I get a chance to, I was like, man,
I appreciate you for, you know, believing in me taking
a chance because terum, you know how it is in
the league. If you behind a guy who makes a
lot more money than you and you're playing good, when.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
He comes back, that's still his spot.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And then in Green Bay, they was like, nah, well
we play the guys who are playing who played well, uh,
and we don't really care about the money situation. Will
handle that when it's trying to handle that. And they
just let me keep playing. So I appreciate them for
that and them just getting better to me the game
teach me how to watch film for real, because I
think this was when I first started actually learning how
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to like break down film and not just watching it
as in like if it's a movie or something. Right,
So it kind of helped my career. And once that happened,
it's just been taking off from there.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's been taking off.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It seems like you played with so much confidence out there,
you booking everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Obviously y'all lost a lot of leadership last year. It
looks like you've taken on a bigger leadership role, you know,
with with with Trey White and all the boys that
that's left. I think they said y'all lost six captains
or something, you know, I mean, And sometimes you know,
team team got to move on, you know, teams got
on and give you the forward.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Talk me through your journey, because I'm gonna take you back.
I want to.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I want to go to the community college you went
to and then you going to West Virginia, because that's
not a journey that everybody takes, you know what I mean,
And it's not necessarily the usual journey for a guy
that's gonna end up having a lot of success in
our league and playing as long as you have.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
What happened? Why why didn't you go straight out of
high school? So at high school?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I only played my junior my high school and I
really didn't care about playing football, like long term.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It wasn't really like a big thing.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I was just like, man, I'm gonna get a job
and I'm gonna just see what's going out there. At
this point, I'm like, you just need money, you know.
And then this this coach Curtison Billiam. He kept calling
my phone. I'm like, why you keep calling me? And
he he was like, man, I'm a junior college coach
of New York.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
A couple of years. The guys that went to your
high school have came here and have had success.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So I'm like, okay, okay. He's like, man, have you
committed anywhere? Everything about goingwhere? I'm like, nah, I just
probably won't do that. Roll I probably just get a job.
He was like, man, can I just get you to
just come up here and just check it out? So
I went and I drove up to Long Island, New York,
and he stepped me down in his office.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I was like, man like.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Like, who from here goes places? And I was like, man,
I asked him a few colleges, I said, they come here.
He was like, follow me. And we went down to
the gym and I remember we had like the number
one offensive tackle and a number one d tackling during college,
and he was and we had Chad he was committed
to Florida State.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And then we had Lance, who rest in peace. He
died this year.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He had like Alabama and stuff, and we had a
lineback way at USC. So he was like, man, they
all here for a reason. So freshman year, I adn't
really play that much and then I came back. They
switched me from safety to corner. It was like, yoah,
I think that you would be a good corner.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You got a fee for it. I switched the corner.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And then I just blew up. But Jerky Colls was
tough man. That was like every day I quit. One day.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I regret telling the story.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I don't really want to tell it, but I'll tell it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Tell if you regret, but it's not it's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But I always just feel bad when I think about
it because I was a rough place where you know,
like in junk CIDs, like you can like you're fighting,
like you don't got no money, you know what I mean.
And then like we if you're in New York, they
do double tuition, so like if you don't live in
New York. You got to play like out of state tuition,
so it's basically paying double to go to school. So
I'm from Jerry, so I'm paying double. And I remember
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like I just like, bro, like I'm homeless. I'm like
the number two corner in the nation and I'm homeless.
I'm like I'm done, like I quit, like you know
what I mean. And I remember like getting a taxi
a cap and like going back home, you know what
I mean, Like, bro, like it's over, Like I can't
keep doing this.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Like my grandmother she ain't really recognized when she spent me.
I was kimmy, like I done, got to like one
sixty five, and I just I had to tell him.
I was like I'm done, and I'm took a cab
all the ways back home. I told coach. I was
like i quit. And then it took him like two days.
He came back and grabbed me. He was like, man,
like I'm gonna help me out, and he started helping
me out. But there was a lot of guys in
our room because we had a house with like sixteen
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people in like five rooms, and all of them had offers.
And I remember like I was the only one without
offers at the time, and we had all we off
from Jersey, so we always usually meet at like a
spot in like mind clear that was like the middle
ground point where we would meet and one of our boys, Earl,
would give us a ride. And I remember sitting there
waiting for him with my two bags in my hand,
like yo man, y'all y'all going back, And then I
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answering this stuff and then they like texted hour later
like yo man, we all give up, bro, Like it's
just too hard for us. Our families are struggling, we
got kids, you know, we can't do it anymore. And
I'm like, damn. And I remember I walked from because Zori,
where I lived at on Sussex Side. I walked all
the way from near to penystation with no money on
the train. You know, like when you're on the train,
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you got to like get behind somebody that got the
stick pat already stick to their seat and put it
on the back of yours so that it looked like
you've been already on the train to take and get
to where you're going. We we ain't got no money, So
I did that all the way to school, and I
remember just being at the house by myself and everybody
was going, and I was like, oh, they got offers
and I don't, and they just quit, and man, I
just I just had to keep fighting though. Man that
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that was probably like a rough patch of my life,
but it also helped me cause I think at that
point I had to like find God, and.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I think that he was testing me, like do you
it's just something you really want?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Because I think people say it's something they run and
then they signed the terms and conditions and then it's
like I don't really want this, you know what I mean.
So I think he was he was just asking me like, Okay, well,
if you really want this, let me put some adversity
out there and let me see if you quit like
everybody else new, or you keep going. And I kept
going and then I had all the offers I had,
like about twenty come offers, and I told Lester Jens
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that they was one of the first ones to reach
out to me and show me love and they stay
consisted the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So I was like, man, I'm gonna go down there
and be a mountaineer.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Bro. Bro, I don't know, I don't know what You're
ashamed of in that story, I got chill bump.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh, I'm looking at my arms, got the.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Goosebumps because it's a real life story of like like nah,
like you know, because you didn't quit, you know what
I mean, what you did was had doubt for a day,
you know what I mean. Like you didn't quit because
quitting you didn't you don't come back. Yeah, so you
never quit. All you did was was really what you
were human, you know what I mean. And I think
we've always had those moments. I was a sophomore in
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college at Stanford, you know, come from the hood. It's
a weird, weird place, bunch of weird people. And I'm
I'm I'm you know what I mean, kind of feeling
like I don't fit. Harpball gets hired as the coach.
I hurt my knee. We get into it. He tell me,
I ain't never playing offense again.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
When I tell.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You that, boy, I was loan, you know, didn't didn't
even know where to go, you know. All he said
was I never play again. And he was like you,
it's time for you to you need to transfer and
quit and do you know, I mean, go somewhere else.
And you know, I ain't got the kind of family
you could just go back and be like, ah, man,
you know what I mean, I'm about to leave Stanford
and go back to the hood and be like a
y'all was right. I wasn't, you know what I mean.
(09:17):
I couldn't do it, you know. So I'm sitting there
with a knee injury every day walking back crutching back
to my dorm like, bro, like it's over Like bro,
you you you had all these dreams, you had all
this stuff you wanted to accomplish, and it's over with.
And it was so many times I just wanted to
get in the car just be like, bro, just drive
until we run out of gas and we'll figure it
out from there. But I didn't because I was just like, Bro,
(09:38):
you can't like they can't be right, you know what
I mean? Like that, like I ain't gonna let y'all
be right right now. And uh, that kept me going.
I ended up switching the defense because he said I
never play offense again. But he didn't say I could
never play, and so I switched to defense. You know,
I was a receiver. I couldn't pedal. Really, my pedal
was stank, like my my stance was nast It was
(10:01):
bad out there, but I knew all the plays, so yeah,
they trying to signal plays, they trying to line up.
I know exactly what y'all doing. Like I probably had
twelve thirteen picks that that spring ball, like because I
know them all I'm calling about, Bro, it was it
was super fun. I jumped up the Jeff Chart. I
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was the starting corner. Still didn't have a good stance still,
you know, figuring out tackling and stuff. But you fast
forward two years later, I'm in the league and you
know what I mean, I'm making it shape.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, yeah, why the best. I appreciate that. Yeah, but yeah,
ain't nothing. Ain't nothing sad about that story.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Bro, That's a really cool story, and it's gonna What
you don't understand is how much it's going to inspire
some kid that's going through the exact same thing, Like
some kid ready to quit right now. Will hear you
say that and be like, oh, let me give it
one more day?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah? Yeah, because look how far it's taking you.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know what I mean, you want to be V's
in the league, freaking getting books on one of the
best teams in the National Football league. You bounced around,
stay consistent, stayed ten toes down and you getting what
you deserve now yell mean y'all bowling.
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talk to me about because you keep playing in these
cold places and I know you from New York, but
I mean Jersey bad.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
No, I ain't gonna say, but but bro, it looked
rough out there the other.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Day yesterday probably the other day was probably the worst
game because every time we took a step, the whole
bottom of my cleat had like snowing it. So I
remember one time I'm running, I'm like, damn running on
a ball or something, because in the back of my
cleat had a snowball like this big, and in the
front was on the ground, and I'm like, bro, ain't
even move. And I remember everybody coming to the sideline like, oh,
(14:03):
Swiss cleats. They switching our clasps were going the next job.
We're like, man, these just don't work either. So it's
just like, well, ain't no clear gonna work if those
three don't work. So it's just like you just gotta fight.
And I remember coaches just like look man like, look
just just stay stylid, don't don't give up nothing big
no it's supposed to and then just tackle. He was like,
and we're gonna get through this game and then we'll
be old. So that was just the mindset for us.
(14:23):
But that snow game, that was crazy. I didn't play
another games where it was cold but not snowing the
ground with like you can't even do nothing with your feet,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Bro, If they don't understand, it's so hard to do
play corner period, like imperfect. So to make it like that,
it's dang near impossible. I can't trust my feet now,
that's the way.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's the thing. And I remember one I remember one player.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
So why he had caught the ball and I remember
both of us were sitting there trying to like stop
together to go back to the football, and he just
caught it with his chest and just went not about like, Bro,
come on, it's no way, bro, I can't get out
my brick.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And it was just it was just bad. It was bad. Bro.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's why where they talk about, oh this is football weather.
I said, Now, if you play corner, that's the most
stressed football you will ever be a part.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Of sadly, because at least the receiver he know, like,
all right, I'm stopping at this point, so he good.
But when you don't know and you just back by,
then it's like, oh, sneph, I got a break now
and you can't get your feet up under you.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, now you can do.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
And then if you make one wrong move or slip
your own Sports Center top ten, everybody looking at you.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
That's why that's why I stay corner to the artist
resistant because it's like one play is just glorified. You know,
a d line out in they gap and they get
a big run that ain't talked about.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's regular, you know what I mean. But once the
corner do it, oh no, it's over.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's over. It's over with every single time. Did you
see that play? Uh that everybody talking about, including myself
with Z's out here here and Trevor Lawrence when he
hit him when.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He was sliding.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what what did you think of that?
Because I'm I'm you know what I mean, I'm in
the in the department where first off, y'all making the
game sow. Second off, like he tried to get a
few extra yards, and yes, the's was was was probably
a hair late, but it wasn't like he dropped dropped
his shoulder and he was trying to he was trying
to like put his arms out and give him a.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Form shah instead of his helmet because it could have
been helmet to helmet if he wanted, but he kind
of like put his on my flight grace. You know,
like you know how your parents do a bad turn,
they put their hand out, they're like stop. That was
one of those.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But, like I said, it's so hard to.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Be dB because you're telling the guy who's running twenty
one twenty two miles per hour to wait till the
last minute to stop. And then we see we see
players like last week where uh was it my homes
scrambling and then the guy thought he was about to slide.
He kind of like pushed him, but he kept running.
So it's like, how do you determine whether he's gonna
slide or not? My thing is as a quarterback, you
(16:44):
know the rules. If you're gonna give yourself up, get
yourself up early, if you're gonna try to pipe for
another yard or two, then you accept you excepted when
he gets.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Hit right, and you know you gotta expect it, you know.
And that's exactly he had booted. Trevor Lawrence had booted around.
He looking Z's in the odd for like ten yards,
like you knew, dang went stop. You could have been stuff.
You could have been stopped. Could you sitting there?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It's like I can squeak a few more yards out
of this.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I can make it instead of second and second and seven,
I can make it second and two.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And it's like, all right, it's like getting too Yeah,
you're playing with fire. And that's the thing. It's just
too late.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But the game happened fast, and what they do is
they slow it down and they try to and it's like, bro,
I'm going this fast that there's no way I can
stop all my momentum because he'd late. Like now if
he does it early and then I still going to him,
then that's something different, something different. But but I've been
at that play where I did that to Justin Fields
and I was like, bro, like you slid right here,
like like I'm running full speed. I'm I'm and I
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know you running the ball like I'm trying to tackle you.
And then it's like and then the next time he
ran the ball. I didn't hit him, and he kept going,
and I just kind of like, come on, this would
be that little indecisive like I can't and I'd rather
be wrong or right than wrong, you know what I mean.
I'd rather just tackle him like I'm going tackle him
than not. And then he just keeps on. So it's
a tough situation right there. It's a tough situation. And
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that's what people never look like when you play defense.
I hate to make the analogy because people don't understand it,
but you gonna understand. It's like being a black man
in America.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Boy, you're like ever, you're guilty until proven innocent every
single time. And you be sitting there, they'd be like,
you're looking at a play and they slow mowed you
hand fighting with the receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
He pulling your neck, he pushing.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Your head, and you're trying to go off for the ball,
and they're like, that's defensive passing inference. I said, y'all,
when that boy stiff on me in the face and
caught the ball, y'all just said, that's a great player.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And y'all say nothing. I ain't gonna say nothing about that,
not a thing.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And that's the hard part for me is it's hard
enough to play defense as is. Now y'all saying, don't
land on the quarterback, y'all saying every better hand fighting.
If it ain't the receiver, then it's it's a penalty.
And then then you can't hit nobody. Now Now it's
like I'm aiming for your chest and then you duck
down to brace up. I hit you in the head.
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Now you'all trying to suspend me. And it's like taking
money off. You know, they're taking that money. They know,
they know, you know, they're like, man, that's all they
care about is money.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That's the only way we get on them, find his
ass that that's just how they that's how they think
they're gonna take that money.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
They don't do anything else. They're gonna take that money.
They're gonna take it every single time. That's the moment.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Even these even these like what do they call them,
the tackles that they don't like the hip drop. Hip
drop They just made a word for that.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
They literally just that was not a word until like
somebody like, oh that like a hip drop?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Tack? Now is a hip drop? They bandon and they
ain't call it yet. The whole year. No, they because
you can't call it. It's impossible, Like it's impossible. It's impossible. Bro.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
You don't want nobody tackling people low because they take
away they a c L M c L. You don't
want people going high because they can cush in. Now
you want you to hip job tackle. Eventually, you might
as well start pulling out the flag and just say
take the flag of that guy back.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And then you see they they transferring that to like
the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I won't be surprised in a few years and they
just like, you know what, let's just take all of
it out and let's just do that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I wouldn't be surprised. Shit with quarterbacks, I'm with you.
I'm with you. You can't touch the quarterback. You can't. Man.
They like divers out there now and they know they
can't get hit and they know it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
They be sitting there any time they get touched, they're
looking at the ref like you, yeah, state name. But
we're gonna talk about one of your teammates because first off,
I don't know how you as his veteran, letting him
walk around with forty seven on. But Christian Benford is
playing some good football with in that stank number. And
I'm sorry, Christian. I mean this in the most complimentary way.
(20:30):
It's gonna be hard for you to get any credit
that you deserve until you until you get off the
phone set.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
But he but he know that though, Like it's not
like he don't know that. He know that his number
is like, but it's his number. He feels like, you know,
he want to make that number different. And I told him,
I'm like, man, that's good because now you can't get
out of it now, you.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Know, like you got to you gotta stick with it.
That got to be your number for the rest of
your life.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But bro, like he's a he's a good person, you know,
he's a better person than football player.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like he does he does the right things. He don't
really talk too much.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
He he just worked, you know, And and it's every
day he trying to be better, like oh, asking to
be coach, pushing his though at the practice. We out
there for maybe forty five minutes every day at the practice.
It's getting worked on on stuff that we need or
anything that we might have messed up on in practice,
you know. And he just got that mentality like like
I'm a dog and I gotta I gotta play that
way every time, you know, just because I'm a I'm
(21:23):
a tough round pick, you know what I mean. So
that's that's just how he played. But man, he's a
he's a hell of a player. He's definitely having like
an all Pro season for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
No question is he's he freaking balling.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Early in the season, we had y'all Miami.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It might have been maybe first game and he might
have had a pick six in the game mistake.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he picked Miami up.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, and he it was just a four to seven,
And I think y'all had another dude out there in
four eight or six for six, that's what it was.
They both I think diff had two and he the
other four six had one.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
No stick that too, and Beffer had one.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Okay, vices yeah, vice versa, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they both
got them numbers.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I don't know. I don't know, but I don't think
they changing them either. They gonna keep.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Them right right, They're gonna keep getting targeted as long
as they they punished them. Though that there's been any
talks about an extension for you in Buffalo, I think
I think they've been talking to my agent about it.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
They didn't really mentioned nothing to me yet, but I
think they've been talking to my agent.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I know last year beginn it. This year the season,
they was talking about it, that they wanted to.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Get something done. But we'll see what's going on after
the season. Probably right now I'm thinking bigger than you. Yeah,
I'm this the year. I feel like we could do
something good. So I'm just trying to put my all
into that at the moment.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
As you should. That's how it's supposed to be. I
ain't trying to try to start nothing, but you're gonna
get with you. I hope you get everything you deserve
it more talk about the Bill's mafia, because they crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
You went from Green Bay, who got some really crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And they own the team and all this other stuff,
and they really incredible passion fans. But then you got
the Bills fans, and they a whole different level of
passion and energy and dedication. They coming up snow to
plow the field for free.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I still don't understand that, to this day, I don't
understand that a billion dollar company got fans out there
snowing it.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I don't understand it. But the fans they love, they
love the Bills. Man, they'll they'll do anything for the Bills.
It's so much love with the fans. They be jumping
off tables, they coming to the game, no shirt on,
no nothing, and they just they just love.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
They love Buffalo. They love everything about it.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
And that's why, like we got it, we gotta give
them something, you know what I mean, A love forever,
something something big that they'll love forever.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
This city might blow up.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I keep telling people, if we do it big this
time next year, we're gonna be the Toronto Bills.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
They ain't gonna be It ain't gonna be the damn Buffalo.
No more. Buffalo will be gone.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
It's gonna be New York and be nothing. The guys
don't just without worry about nobody being better than New York.
It's just gonna be Theronson. Boy, they're gonna be. They're
gonna be building statues of y'all.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Boys. I tell you, I'll tell you, are you gonna
you know?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
If everything goes as is, it's not jinx nothing, it's
not say no crazy words. But if everything goes like
you wanted to, when your dreams come true and there's
a trophy in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
You jumping through a table. I job jumped through it
down table. I jump out with the fan. I'll let
them pick my ass up and throw me. I I
jump out there with him. Tell you I would. I
don't care. At this point he's over, but I do
whatever at that point. That's too funny. Man, who's your
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who is your favorite corner to like study?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Growing up?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You know, everybody got a different you know, when you
was coming up, it was probably you know, they had
the old heads in there, but Reeves was probably in
his prime at that point. Charles just one defensive player
of the year. Who were the guys you were studying
or trying to emulate or if it was nobody, then
it's nobody.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
So I'll be honest. When I first started playing football,
and Reed was like my favorite player ever. So I
always liked this game because I always liked them getting
picked and never like falling, like just running it no
matter if in the back of the end zone anywhere, right.
I grew up liking him. I like Charles Charles Wisson was.
I liked him a lot. And then like what I said,
like when I really started like playing football and I
(25:29):
actually it was probably like my junior senior year was
probably around twenty twelve thirteen.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
When I start getting there to like it, I would
say you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I was like it was you because I like that
whole Seattle boom legend, the boom y'all had going on,
and how you play it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It just seemed like you always knew where the ball
was going.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And then you got picked because some people were like, oh,
what you count you don't get picked.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'm like, bro, the best corners get picked, Like that's
just what they do. It's just what they do. I
don't want to hear you got one pick and you
saying you're the best coint Like there's there's no way, bro,
there's no way. So I always like that about you.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And you tackle it, you know what I mean, Like
some people don't like tackling it, like, so you just
right out and I'm like, shnna, he's gonna talk and
jumped like me, Like I like that he talked, he
gonna back it up. And I always think that I
always liked the most, like he gonna put all the
lights on him, but he gon't perform. So it's like
you can say whatever you want about somebody when they talk,
and they got everybody watching like what do you do?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
What do you do? What you do? The the end of
the game, you look.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
He got two picks, you got four tackles, and and
the PPU was like, what could you say?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You could can't say nothing. So I would say that y'all,
y'all three for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I appreciate that. Man we put We took a lot
of pride in it. I mean, obviously y'all taking a
lot of pride in and y'all got a really good system
in McDermott, and y'all really trust the scheme.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But that's just what we was doing. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
We had a really good scheme. Even though when you
know the weaknesses of it and everybody know what you're
gonna be in, y'all can't beat us because we're gonna
play it really well. We're gonna execute, and we smashing
y'all when y'all touch it. And we practiced hard ever,
you know, and that's why you come out to practice,
you want. I think people would be more impressed by
us if they came to practice than they was in
the game. Because boys is out there like wolves and
(27:10):
you would think every one of us is practice squad
trying to make the team.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, that's the best thing. Everybody competing, right.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It led to the organization getting fine and losing draftis sometimes,
but that's their fault.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You shouldn't. They got enough money they can do that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
They y'all told us to practice hard, give us the
off season off. Then if y'all don't want to deal
with this.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
No ot a, do nothing. Just just put that a
little bit of cat and that's it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Look, if y'all don't want to get fined about us
be practicing too hard and getting too physical, then gown
head and sit us home and we'll happily go on vacation.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
But if you put us on this grass that we got,
it's not supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Who's been the toughest receiver to go against for you
so far this year period? Just overall, I mean, see
you you saw Aj late, but Aj was special, man.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I know I remember watching a little bit when he
was with Sissy. He was cold.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
But I still think when I first Jolio Craze, oh Mark,
like I used to be mad guarding him. I'm like, bro,
how you this fast? You stopping on him one two
steps like like just running four speed, twenty.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Five yards out, twenty five yard curls.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I'm like, bro, you know after fifteen yards, I'm ready,
I'm running to go for it.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Got to be in the air. He hot time.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I'm like, oh, man, no needs But he he always was,
like I say, like the toughest him.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
He was tough Tate. Tate was tough Adams he was
tough guarding because Tay is just so at the line,
so lateral.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Bro, everything just looked it looked the same. It's the
skip all looked flat. Oh it ain't slanting them. And
he gives he give you that a little burth like
take got a burst, you know what I mean? Like
he not fast, like long long speed, but he got
a burst. And that's all he need is one two
yards and you throw it right over his safe he
handed and then it's nothing you can do. So like that,
that's what he killed everybody at the line and that
(29:04):
little burst. And because you're trying to play his speed
when you're slowing down and that you know, he burst
on you. He was like, oh I wasn't ready to
run yet. Now you gotta try to. Then he gets
you every time. But them two was tough. I always
stay ty reard to guard because he said, he's just
so fast.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
If you miss him, it's over, it's over. And you
know what I mean. You never want to get into
a track with him, you know what I mean? So him,
I like.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I like Calvin. I like Calvin really. I think I
think he's a He's a good rod runner too. Every
time he went around, I'll be like, it's nice.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Right, did you see what Sneed did to him in
the playoffs slash. When you're familiar with somebody, it give
you a whole different time.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It's different those practice vibes in the game, like right, yeah, yeah,
I seen that boy.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That boy Sneve was up there practice like like, hey,
I told you if we ever see each other in
the game.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I was like, damn now he had it out. He
had it out for them though. He did it this
then too. He go to ain't thing when they played
Miami this day, he was he was doing that same
exact thing.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I was like, he can play. He just he was
just about to get bare. He wouldn't get got his
money in Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
But he ain't.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
He ain't never gonna get the credit he deserved, no
more because you're in Tennessee unfortunately. Yeah, you know how
Tennessee is. Everybody go over there and they just they
kind of look just look different. They look different. I mean,
he got his money, though. I'm happy for anybody getting money. Yeah,
need that. And what Tennessee don't got no taxes over there.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't think they do. You're right, that's good for him.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Need it all. Needed all. Big fan of your game, man.
I appreciate you coming on, appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'm happy to see you balling, happy to see your
team ball. And even if they beat my former teams,
you know, after a while, I want everybody to get
their ring.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, sometimes that because you got to us like that.
But boy, I tell you what, it ain't nothing worse
than losing one. So that's that'll be my my little
advice to you.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Y'all.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Get that mean that your men will always beat her.
That face you made when you're saying them through that pit.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm down.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I was damn shocking off. That was shocking all. I said,
Wait a minute, what.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, that's that's one thing I never understand.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I always like you know, people always ask you a
sports rig and you always be like, nah, I'm out
there giving it my all. And then you see something
like that and you be like a man, it might
be a little bit, you know, it might be.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Just a little bit. Look, well, clearly I wasn't in
on the rigging. I didn't a strip. Give me a strip.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
That locker room after that game, boy, it was a
furniture moving in there because it did not make sense. Boy, boys,
boys played too hard and ship I lost that one
and we lost the one of my homes them in Miami.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yep, boy, I tell you, the wind felt good.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Wind is great, you get your ringing everything, But the
loss hurt more than wind feel good. So if you
ever get a chance to play in that game, try
your best to impose that that understanding into your teammates that, hey,
you will never forget yourself. Like I don't give a
damn if you did one thing where you went out
and had one drink that week, are you are you
(32:05):
freaking stayed up two hours later or you did whatever
you're gonna be going back and second guests and everything
you did going up into that game because you get
two weeks. So boys, want to stay routine and staying
they thing. But once you get to the Super Bowl week,
it's a whole different thing. There's so much media, there's
so much anything, and depending on the city, and we
in New Orleans this year, so it's some stuff to
do and boys, boys eat food to eat, it's people
(32:28):
to see and everybody want to get a PC OFU
and do appearances. And if that's not what you normally do,
then you probably should stay away from it. But it's
like for a week, keep your behind still because my
team is in San Francisco. That's exactly what I told
the young boys. We get there, they go out the
first night we get there to Miami, and I'm like, bro, like,
y'all don't get it, Like y'all y'all went out, Like
(32:49):
maybe we win this game and y'all don't learn the lesson,
but we lose, You're gonna be sitting there like was
it because I went out?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Was it because I was partying and drinking and hanging out?
Like maybe, Like, but you don't even give yourself the
chance to figure that out. If you go out there
and make that decision, like if you win a super Bowl,
it sticks with you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
If you lose it does the same thing in the
worst way. So sick, sick.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
But I know it's your off day and I appreciate
you you joining me and spend some time with me
having Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Man, you you're you're a heck of a player.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
And if you ever need anything, take my number and
and we'll stay in contact.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I'll send you my.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Little two cents if I if I see them, call
from bs on you r.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Let me know. I'll let you know what I see. Yes, sir,
I appreciate you. I appreciate you
Speaker 1 (33:56):
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