December 11, 2024 • 30 mins
Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez joins The Herd to talk about the drama going on with the Eagles, how he thinks Bill Belichick would do as head coach for UNC, and more
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
So many things going on, you know, I was just
thinking about Belichick. So it used to be like NFL
coaches were NFL coaches and college coaches in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
like even Lou Holtz tried. The NFL was embarrassing, like
it just didn't work. Steve Spurrier great college coach disaster.
And then all of a sudden, you start started seeing
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concepts that NFL teams were stealing from college. And now
you know, on any given Saturday, you start watching some
of these pro offenses at college football and you're like
that receiving core at LSU a couple of years ago,
that's better than ninety percent of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So you're seeing younger players.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Now you have to you have to basically out of
high school, wait three years before you go pro. For safety,
concerns obviously, but you're seeing you know, you're seeing players
a couple of years out of high school that look
like they could play pro. The concepts are better, the
coaching's better at college, and so both of them share,
you know, concepts and schemes. But to be a college coach,
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the players choose you. To be an NFL coach, you
choose the players. So charisma and personality matter a lot.
I mean, I've been in the presence of Nick Saban,
he is a charmer, Marcus Freeman, Sark, they all have
the ability to put on the salesman hat. And that's
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that's not a criticism. That is the reality of being
a college basketball or football coach. It doesn't work that way.
As a pro coach, you don't have to do that.
In fact, there's an argument that I talked to Jimmy
Johnson about this. He did not want to have deep
relationships with the players outside of a quarterback, because the
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reality was the quarterback is the coach on the field.
Jimmy had his coaches coaching the players. Jimmy coached the coaches,
but he didn't want too many relationships with players. That's
what most coaches are all about outside of a quarterback,
where he is essentially your mouthpiece and the quarter the
coach on the field. So there was a great exchange
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this weekend Brady Edelman Gronk on the Fox NFL pregame
show about Belichick to college.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
We heard this week that Bill Belichick is actually interviewing
for college jobs.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Can you imagine him coaching coach? No?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Can.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think there's a lot of things he can do,
and obviously he's tremendous and even showing his personality, but
getting out there on the recruiting trail and dealing with
all these college kids out.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Here, nil, could you imagine this on a couch recruiting
an eighteen year old We really want to come here,
and we don't really want you anyway, but I guess
you could come.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
We'll figure out if.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Your parents and use off the third party, you're gone,
You're off the seat.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's just it's a different world.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And I think Bill his last couple of years, I
thought in the NFL a little bit, you know, a
little tone deaf for some of the cultural offensive changes
in the league. And the other thing is, and you
see this with the Bobby Knights and the legendary older coaches.
They want control. Well, I got news for you. That's
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why Pete Carroll got into trouble in Seattle. He wanted
to control drafts, and John Snyder's like, I'm out of here.
I'm going to Detroit. The ownership the Allen Group brought
him back. And now that John Snyder controls the drafts,
Seattle is one of the best drafting teams in the league.
So these coaches, because they all know they're on the
hot seat unless they win the Super Bowl every third year,
they want control of the personnel. Bill Parcell's famously said,
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you know, if I'm going to make the dinner, I'm
gonna shot for the groceries. Like I get coaches perspective,
but Andy Reids figured it out. Brett viach, you run
it all, coach, and I that's the way to do it.
If you if you don't trust. That's why the Bears
and the Jets jobs are problematic. If you're a coach,
do you trust the guy upstairs? You know it's Kansas
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City's like when when when the Patriots were at their best,
Belichick was trusting Scott Pioli. He was letting him do
the drafts. And they were hitting on a lot of
draft picks. The more power Bill got, the more he
wanted the final say, they've had on They've hit hit
on certainly some really good defensive players, but they haven't
hit on a lot of offensive players and Bills. You know,
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this just happens. You get wealth, you get power, you
get ego, you get vanity, you want to control everything.
Even reportedly Belichick brought like, you know this binder to
Carolina of absolutes. Well, boy, that's You're not gonna ingratiate
yourself to a lot of people when they have to
only play by your rules and be accountable to you,
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but you don't have to be accountable to them. That
that's a rough start to any relationship.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
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with the news.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
This is the Herd Line News Colin.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Let's get started with a shocker in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
The Carolina Panthers, who have been horrendous for years, are
favored for the first time in two years.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Wow. They are two and.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
A half point favorites against Dallas.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
They've been getting money so far the last couple of days,
which I'm still stunned by now. Dallas is coming off
the Monday night football loss, right, Yeah, and they lost
overshown the really good promising defender who was kind of
a heartbeat of that team. So things are working against
against the Cowboy. I'll just say this Mike McCarthy. I
know he doesn't have a contract going forward, con he's
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gotten his guys.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Up for every game.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
They've fallen apart in some second halfs, but in the
first half of every game they are showing up fighting.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
He's doing it with a backup quarterback.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
You can't say that for like the Bears, who rolled
over like dogs. Okay, the Jets have just been embarrassed
in the first half of I though.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
The Jets played their best game of the season.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Yeah against Miami.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I thought they really played well. A lot of these.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Teams are You're seeing just no shows first half, Like
Tennessee's given up thirty five points.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
You know, Jacksonville doesn't have anything.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Cowboys are fighting.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
I don't know what to do with this. I kind
of think you take Dallas if you're getting three points,
are you betting well?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, I don't think Carolina is good enough to
surrender points to anybody. So if it got to three,
Dallas is absolutely the play. But I would argue I've
watched Carolina like you have. They're always a corner TV team.
But the Philadelphia game, I watched them and might take
his Bryce Young, his ability to slide in the pocket,
throw the ball, act and move Carolina looks like you know,
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and we talked about this. Gino was reborn, Donald reborn,
Baker reborn with a right you know. Liam Cohen down
for Baker, Kevin O'Connell for Donald, and a grub in Seattle,
the guy from University of Washington, the Seahawks. You look
at that new coach in Carolina. It's working, It is
absolutely working. Bryce Young will get at least one more
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year and looks he can move.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I like his mom.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
There's something there, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I talked to his high school coach, Mark Sanchez and
I were in an event and the high school coach
of Bryce Young was there and I asked him, I like,
modern day best player you've ever had in high school?
And he named two and Bryce Young was the other one,
and I was like, you've had one hundred Division one
players and he's like Bryce Young was different.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Hopefully rebounds.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
Next story is Matt Stafford Colin. He's on a bit
of a heater lately now. If you remember last December,
he also got hot help propel the Rams in the
playoff ten touchdowns, no pick during a four game winning
four game streak. This year, Stafford is cooking once again.
Ten touchdowns in his last four games, hasn't thrown a
pick in a month.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Stafford talked about protecting the football.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Every pick kind of has its own story.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But yeah, just trying to keep our team in it
as best I can, be as disciplined as I can
while still being aggressive and giving our guys opportunities to
make plays because they're doing a great job of that
for me right now.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Every interception has its own story.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
How true is that? That's really true? You know what's
happened with him? Remember when they played Chicago earlier this year,
he had a really bad pick.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It was a really ugly pick.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, and Manto has been one of those guys because
he's so aggressive, he can give you an ugly clunker
like Mahomes will give you one about once every three weeks,
you're like, ooh, that's brutal. Josh Allen can throw one.
But when you get him upright and their offensive line
is finally mostly healthy, now their first draft pick is
probably gonna be an offensive tackle. But when you give
Stafford time, I think people forget. Here's what's working for Stafford.
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I get McVeigh, Tyron Williams, Cooper cup Pooka Nakua Like
that's if I said to you, head coach, quarterback, top
two weapons, running back, I would put the Rams in
a very very Philadelpa Eagles elite group. If I just
said again, coach, quarterback, running back, two weapons.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Because their coach is vastly superior.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I mean, so that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
When people sell the Rams, this is an offensive league
and they are five star at key position. Left tackle,
they're hitt and miss right tackle, they're great.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
The Lions or the Rams.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
With that, well, I get the best left tackle arguably
in football, and a good quarterbacks. I would say Detroce
one because I think I think that Dan Campbell's proven himself.
Golf isn't Stafford, but he's good, best left tackle, best
running back tandem, and amar On Saint Brown is great
that I think Detroit's got I mean Campbell's.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's okay, I'm good with it. But are both excellent.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yeah, the final story is oh NBA spicy story here.
So the Miami Heat are reportedly listening to offers for
Jimmy Butler aka Jimmy Buckets six time All Stars agent
has told people around the league Butler would prefer to
join wait for it, Colin, the Warriors, Mavericks or Rockets.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
And if you're.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
Watching Jimmy Butler dominate, he took the Heat to the
finals twice.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
This guy's a game.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I would worry about his aide thirty five.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think he fits the Warriors, but I would they
have to get rid of that Wiggins deal then move
off Wiggins at a heartbeat. Well, I think where he fits. Actually,
if you're asking me where he fits, it's Dallas by
a mile. And look acause he's an elite defensive player.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
He's got the blue braids now he does he really?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
He is alor the Mavericks. Dallas is a championship team.
Dallas can go toe to toe with Boston. If you
give him Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Well you got a lot you move off of You're
not moving off Kyrie. You're not moving off Clay obviously
not Luca.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That is a boy. If he goes to Dallas, that
is a roster. That is a squad because in.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
The playoffs it's basically your top seven R eight guys play.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know, you don't need depth. That is a squad.
You got to give up a You gotta give up
draft picks. Pat Riley loves draft picks.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Get Lively probably, yeah, but he doesn't get paid anything.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So you got to give up money somewhere.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
And I don't think they're doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I think they would.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Well what is Miami doing with Klay Thompson?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
No, not go anywhere.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
You're right, they want picks and they probably want young guys.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I h interesting. Gotta have matching salary somewhere.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah, that's why they pay those guys a big bucks
on office guys.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
J mckle the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. Love well tayl.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
One of the really good games this week is red
hot Tampa Bay and Baker at the Chargers and justin
Herbert Mark Sanchez will be doing that Sunday for Eastern
on Fox, and Mark joins us now as he is
prone to do, we love him. He's also gonna have
some good Jalen Hurt stuff because it's interesting. Green Bay
and Philadelphia are now run first teams despite having enormous talent.
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Let me ask you about this. I said this here today.
I think Rex Ryan back to the Jets fits because
I think they need a culture guy. And Ryan Rex
is loud and he doesn't care what you think, and
you can't you can't whimper into New York. But now
Harbaugh's personality is quirkier but similarly authentic. He has taking
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the same defense the same dudes. And now you're starting
looking at film for your game Bucks Chargers. Is it
a schematic thing like how can you take worse to first?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Mark explain that it happens every year. It seems to,
at least in one of the divisions. Some team just
surprises everybody, and then it's the sustainability of that surprise
and their resurgence. But I think when it comes to
the Chargers and Jim Harbaugh, it's important to look at
their schedule. They're beating up or win the games that
they should win. Yes, and they're getting quality wins right
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then in the big time games, maybe against Baltimore, maybe
against Kansas City. Yes, they're competitive till the end. They're
not getting blown off the map. So now you're building
this equity, sweat equity and confidence equity, if you will,
with that staff, with the players, you give them a
little bit. They see success, they want to go back
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to that. Well, Hey, give me more, Coach me harder,
teach me something new, give me the big picture. They
are completely bought in and you can tell now the
ball is going to bounce one way or the other.
Do I think they have the roster to win the
Super Bowl this year? Eh, that'd be a stretch. I
fear a real stretch, you know. But that doesn't mean
their next step has to be Super Bowl. I mean
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if they get into the playoffs, if they beat out
Denver for this wildcard in the a SCUS, because the
Chiefs already got it right, they can be a wild
card team and get in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You never know.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Go back to two thousand nine. We weren't supposed to
go to the playoffs. We went to bed after losing
to Atlanta, and we thought we were out of the playoffs.
The very next day, we showed up at the facility
and Rex said, hey, we're winning.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
We're in.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
We're like, whoa, we got in. And not only did
we get in, we won two Wow. So the Chargers
could easily do that. You get somebody, somebody sustains a
big injury before the bye week.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
You know, there's a lot of things that can happen.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
So just getting in that tournament is really the next
rung on the ladder for them, and they got some
good games down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
The you know, it's I asked Josh McDaniel this, I said,
we always look at winning close games as valuable, and
I said, but it could be exhausted. First of all,
when you win close games, it's very celebratory. You know,
halftime the Lions half the time, they're just trying to
eat the clock and shit, get back.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
On the flight. A lot of four minute offense prep. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Right, So I look at Kansas City and I think, Okay,
here's the upside. They're winning, and then I'm like, that's
a lot of crisis management.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
It is.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I mean, go to the team and your New York team. Yeah,
was a lot of close, tough, physical grueling wins.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Does that wear on you?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's definitely becomes an endurance issue. How long can you
take it? And don't forget. They're on an incredible run
right now, right of the last few years, so they're
season longer. Everybody else starts, you know, working out the
couple weeks after their season ends, and these guys don't
get to even start. They're trying to cool down from
a red hot season every year, So the longevity of
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the season is an issue. It becomes an endurance issue.
How long can you sustain it? But the other side
of the coin, if I'm Andy Reid and I know
this is I can all but guarantee this is how
he's spinning it. They're getting more live, high speed action
reps at game management, critical situations on the call sheet.
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It's g hi, gotta have it like this is this
is it your chance to throw that ball, quarterback, fourth down,
doesn't matter, has to get airborne. Give your guys a chance.
I mean, this is what you dream of as a kid.
These are the situations you draw in the backyard. I mean, oh,
we got three seconds left, we got one play to
win it. They get it every week. How do we
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manage the clock, how do we handle all these situations?
And if you're looking for a silver lining, these guys
are going to be experts, all of them. All the
players by now can like reteach from their film the
last seven or eight games and just go through the
end of game situation as if they were the coach
prepping the team for that.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
That's something.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
There's something to be said for that, because you can
tell when it comes down to it, when it's got
to have it. These dudes are all on the same page,
and it's because they have so many reps at it.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You had a unique situation where you only knew Pete
Carroll as a college coach, but he had been in
the NFL. So Bellichick to Carolina. Now Pete is different.
Pete has the energy of like when you had him
of a twenty four year old, Now it's of a
thirty four year old. He's not Belichick, He's not as
charismatic as Pete is. And Pete just walks into a
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room and owns it in the gum chewing it for
Nettick whatever.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Sure, but.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
When you were at USC and you didn't know the
NFL at the point, but but you'd gone to a
great legendary high school. What did Pete bring from the
NFL to college that you thought really worked? Did he
did you feel like this is a pro coach and
not a college guy.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, I didn't totally know the difference, to be fair,
at that point, I hadn't seen what that next level
was like.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
But he brought so much energy and charisma that you
alluded to.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think the other thing, too, is these kids we
want to be coached. The good ones, the good programs,
find kids that want to be groomed into the best
player they can be and set them up for the
next level. And it felt like Pete was doing that
for us. He also had that added aspect of and
I know Michael Irvin alluded to this when he spoke
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about Deon Sanders, but that fatherly or figure of wisdom
hete had that absolutely because he's not just a coach,
He's a teacher. I'm not gonna teach you this just
for football, but these you know principles. I'm teaching you
about the hard work, being on time, no whining, no complaining,
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team first attitude. That's gonna help you in life, whether
you never play another down again. You know what I mean,
so you got a lot of that, and I think
coach Belichick has that as well. I think bottom line
to this college football deal is, I don't care if
it's Belichick and it's hard nosed and there's you know,
this emotionless existence and all were about is winning football games. Now,
I think that's an exaggerated take on who he is.
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But he's more that than Pete and the happy sunshine
rainbow stuff. Okay, fine, The bottom line to this college
football thing is are they gonna invest enough money in
paying these players? You either put money in the well
of players. I'm dressed to go coach North Carolina right now.
If you give me one hundred million dollars, I guarantee
you'll get a competitive roster together. And I don't know
how to coach y. I'd find some guys who do. Now,
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I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying you have
opportunities if you use the resources or allow them to
have the resources. So as much as they're trying to
figure out like is he a good fit or not, shoot,
some of these kids don't really care. I want to
get coached. I want to go to the NFL. He's
got experience with that, he knows how to coach. How
much am I making? That's what it turns into.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
So before we go to the break, Jalen hurt stuff,
I want to ask you something I said the other
day that I don't look at the recruiting day like
I used to because the portal is about thirty percent
of a roster.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
So my take care calose football is the NFL, no
salary cap, everybody's on a one year deal and no NFLPA,
no players association.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
But I am a little concerned, and I hear this
from my contacts at USC. Lincoln's inability to really get
any coalition among Southern California kids. BAMA this year, Yeah,
got more Southern California kids than USC. Does that concern you?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well, I think if you're going to be a powerhouse
in Southern California, you got to own California when it
comes to recruiting. In the days when Pete Carroll was
recruiting this state, and I remember ed Oseron talking about
it and when he'd even see other coaches show up
at LAX when they're going to poach, When our coaches
from SC are going to poach players from other he
would just ask him, what are you doing here? You're
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on vacation. They're like, no, we're going to Modern Day.
We're going to Mission Viejo to go look at some players.
He's like, for what they're coming to sc Dude, Like,
you must be on vacation. They ain't going to you.
So that was the whole thing, right, we had California lockdown.
The craziest part to me is like when I'd get
letters from some of these schools, I didn't know where, uh,
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you know, Tuscaloosa, Alabama was on a map. I'm sorry,
I just didn't. Ye, I came from So cal Maybe
that's on me, fine, but geographically I didn't know where
Clemson in South Carolina. What like, I didn't know what
state Clemson was. In the fact that these guys are
going from southern California to somewhere that they can't even
point out on a map in Alabama, I mean, that's
mind boggling to me. But that's the way it's been.
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Those teams have been better. We went through the sanctions,
a lot of coaching turnover. There's a lot of factors there.
Bottom line is, if you're going to be competitive, if
you just lock down the top recruits in California. You're
competitive in the season right away.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Think about it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Two years of the best kids in California, all twenty
of them have to come to your school. I'd take
it against the rest of the country any day, just
like Texas Wood, just like Florida Wood, and there'd be
you'd have a legitimate chance to win ball games based
on talent alone, purely talent.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So if we're losing those guys also to these other places,
then what.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I always feel recruiting local kids the advantages mom and
dad are in town.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh, it's nice and they read the paper.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
It's a wonderful thing. But some kids just want to
get away.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I get it, and it's a better situation somewhere else,
you know what I mean. And also, hey, I could
always come back to sc because there's this thing called
the portal. And if it doesn't work out and you're
one somewhere else, then I'll just go right back. But
you see the amount of players that we're getting from California.
It's on a steady decline and then a sharp decline
towards the end. So I think they're that's a real
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point of emphasis. You got to find the best players
in California. You gotta make them commit to making this
school what it can be.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Okay, we take AOD break, come back with Mark some
Jalen hurt stuff. I can't wait for it next live
in La the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
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Speaker 1 (22:21):
Okay, the ball is in Belichick's court. Carolina is working
to close the deal on him. So if Bill Belichick
mom sitting signs at Belichick to Carolina. Not sure it's
gonna work, but I think it's gonna be fascinating. I
will watch Carolina football.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I'm dressed for the part with my Carolina Blue coach Belichick.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I'm here.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You know nothing against Josh McDaniels, but I'm here. Maybe
I could be the quarterback coach. He'll be the boom
signal caller.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Okay, I got two pieces of tape I want to show.
Let's spend at least one minute on this. AJ Brown
on Hampy called out by a teammate with Jalen Hurts.
But they're running more yet they're winning more and the
offense is more efficient.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
What do you do? I think it's good problems to have.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I'd prefer to handle a lot of this stuff in house,
especially in that market. Poor Bob Laying, the PR guy
from Philly, is working overtime, I'm sure this week.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
So I feel for that. And I think the unhappiness.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Or frustration for this stuff is the lack of execution
on a couple of different fronts, but mainly when the
quarterback is dropping back to pass, I think there's a
couple of miscues and you know, a little bit of
a misfire here or there, and he's showing that he's
a lot of his demeanor and eyes and footwork and
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timing are usually in the right place, but the ball's
not coming out, and so it's a little frustrating for
the receivers. Is kind of what I'm gathering based on
the emotional media side. And then the you know, cutthroat
execution tape. So when we go to this tape, let's
go to it. I think it's important to understand how
these reads really work. And for Jalen, there is a
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such thing as a pure progression where no matter what
I'm going one through five or a pre snap look
where you need to know the down in distance is
third and eight. Okay, the defense is gonna show me
a look, and I have to start my progression either
to the right or to the left, whatever I'm you know,
breaking down. Am I working the isolation side or the
combination side, either to DeVante Smith or not. So he
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sees Manda Man, he's looking first at DeVante Smith or
Davante Yeah, Davante Smith.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
They're gonna double them. They're gonna play cloud to his side.
The corner's gonna bump up. The safety's gonna take half
the field, so he's doubled. The safety's on the other
side are playing quarters. Each of them have a quarter
of the field. I'm gonna work the trip side. In
my read, I'm gonna work to the right instead of
working to DeVante. So Davante's dead to me, I'm working
this whole combination up top. You're working Calcata down the middle.
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If you love it, great, if not, cool, Davante's dead.
He's got doubled, right, so we've established that he's out.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Calcata is my alert down the middle alive during split safety,
you could argue he could rip this ball to cal
Katara on this play and have a huge explosive pass
the next guy in the slot. He's just running for
the love of the game, clearing it out for who
really is number one outside aj Brown. The next progression
after you check your alert, you don't like it, you
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go Aj Brown to the halfback.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
As soon as he gets his football, watch his feet.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
He's throwing a fourteen yard hind rout or a Harvey
on the outside of number three right to Aj Brown.
I'd prefer a three hitch and throw. He wants to
go quick, five eyes to the right spot. He's got
his eyes on number one. He's determined from this pre snap. Look,
I'm gonna throw it and then the ball doesn't come out. Okay, fine,
if you don't like it, that's okay. I'd argue, rip
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that ball off three steps in a hitch. If you
don't like it, that's what the back's for. That is
what the backs for. Dump it to him inside shoulder.
He splits the two first down fly egles fly. Well, okay,
we're gonna run out and do these trick shot throws
on the edge and make life really hard. Now, this
is where you get away.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
He makes up for it because he either scrambles for
the first down or he makes a throw like this right,
and it looks everything's fine. Well, let's go to this
next club. Okay, they end up scoring on that drive.
Let's go to the end of the first half. Yeah,
I'm trying to double up on points. I'm trying to
kick a field goal at worst. Then get the ball
in the third quarter, which they were gonna do. And
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now we jump this team, we lap them. Okay, where's
this safety going? It's another pre snap. Look now, this
is quick game, so there's no checkdown and he's got
manna man across the board. Yeah, okay, great, Well, how
are they gonna play the middle of the field, because
I need to know am I working to the left
or to the right. They're gonna cut this red in half.
So Jalen's looking at the back, looking at the two backers.
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He knows it's man to man. How are they playing
the middle? They're gonna banjo the back. That means whichever
side the back goes to, that backer is gonna take
him the other guy fill in. Now, when you do that,
since the back is displaced left and then goes right.
There goes the backer up top with it. He's got
to take him. He's coming to my side. He's mind boom.
This other backer fills in. There's nobody in the middle
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of the field. So now you got two inbreaking routes
versus off coverage mand a man inside leverage, and you
got two top ten receivers on the left side of
the field that are ready for this. You have a
great call here. You have two inbreaking routes versus off
inside coverage. Manda man work it inside out, catch left foot,
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right foot. Ball is out to number one inside to
number two outside.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Now watch him again from the slot. There goes DeVante Smith.
You don't like that, okay, fine, Even if you make
the argument that you don't like that throw, you felt
this guy triggering. Okay, great, there's no excuse why this
ball doesn't go to Aja Brown. I don't understand. I
genuinely don't understand. And he's he's done these plays before.
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I've seen him execute it on film. I can show
you twenty clips.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
If it's a confidence thing, I don't know. If it's
a short circuit thing, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
What it is.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But when you go back and look at this, and
then he has to jump up and just throw the
ball away. This time DeVante wasn't available for the special
scramble splash play. Those are so now it looks terrible.
The other one would have looked as bad if he
didn't complete the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So he's got open guy.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There's guys open, and so when you know, aj Brown
makes the knee jerk reaction emotional response, which I wish
he wouldn't have, but it's clear what he's talking about
is stuff like this, and it's not just him. There's
other guys open too. The ball should have gone to
Saquon Barkley, the ball could have gone to Devonte Smith inside.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
It's not just one guy. And so listen. Is this
stuff fixable?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Absolutely, but it's you know, at some point you got
to cut that ball loose.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Just let it go.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Jalen, you know the reds, you know the footwork, you
know where your eyes are supposed to go.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Cut it loose, Hayes.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
In the barn, you know what to do. Show me,
just let the ball out of your hid. Because he's
accurate enough, he's strong enough. He makes those splash plays.
Like it's all there for him, and so I think
they're just frustrated that. I mean, they could be blowing
teams out with like two or three more plays that.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Are executed a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
We're talking a little bit better, and they're beaten teams
by fourteen to twenty one points. So it's I think
that's where this team has to make a jump and
you know, fix those issues relationally and execution wise.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Okay, finally, minute and a half left, Belichick looks like
the ball is in his court. According to Adam Schefter Jmac,
you think Belichick's gonna succeed at Carolina? I do not
long term. I mean year one. I think long term
it doesn't feel right to me. You're yay, I'm nay.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
O Lanta, how much do we have in the nil
slush fund? Then I'll say yes or no, because if
it's fifty million plus or whatever, these big time schools
are seventy five hundred.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yes for the record, the hard yes.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Are they gonna be SMU or not? Where did SMU
come from? And they just suddenly won a bunch of
games on a doubt. Where'd all those players come from?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
My god? They locked down all their home talent. It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Okay, No, Indiana came out of nowhere. Just transfer portal. Nil,
it can be done.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I'm gimme the number and I'll tell you yes or no.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
On Carolina, well, that's what's disturbing about USC. Their collective
is up to eighteen million annually and they're six and six.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So the other teams, where's Georgia, Where's Texas? Where's Ohio state?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, they were at eighteen, they may be at twenty now.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I'm just saying that's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I think they'd be way north of that, but I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, yeah, okay, So Bill Belichick, it's going to be
back to college.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That Rodney Dangerfield movie. It's back. Bill's back to college.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Listen, I'm in the interesting business. I'm watching their games.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Oh I'm watching it just because I am just no question.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, find me ray Comsport. I need an ACC game
on my television set.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
So many things going on, you know, I was just
thinking about Belichick. So it used to be like NFL
coaches were NFL coaches and college coaches in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
like even Lou Holtz tried. The NFL was embarrassing, like
it just didn't work. Steve Spurrier great college coach disaster.
And then all of a sudden, you start started seeing
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concepts that NFL teams were stealing from college. And now
you know, on any given Saturday, you start watching some
of these pro offenses at college football and you're like
that receiving core at LSU a couple of years ago,
that's better than ninety percent of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So you're seeing younger players.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Now you have to you have to basically out of
high school, wait three years before you go pro. For safety,
concerns obviously, but you're seeing you know, you're seeing players
a couple of years out of high school that look
like they could play pro. The concepts are better, the
coaching's better at college, and so both of them share,
you know, concepts and schemes. But to be a college coach,
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the players choose you. To be an NFL coach, you
choose the players. So charisma and personality matter a lot.
I mean, I've been in the presence of Nick Saban,
he is a charmer, Marcus Freeman, Sark, they all have
the ability to put on the salesman hat. And that's
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that's not a criticism. That is the reality of being
a college basketball or football coach. It doesn't work that way.
As a pro coach, you don't have to do that.
In fact, there's an argument that I talked to Jimmy
Johnson about this. He did not want to have deep
relationships with the players outside of a quarterback, because the
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reality was the quarterback is the coach on the field.
Jimmy had his coaches coaching the players. Jimmy coached the coaches,
but he didn't want too many relationships with players. That's
what most coaches are all about outside of a quarterback,
where he is essentially your mouthpiece and the quarter the
coach on the field. So there was a great exchange
(02:33):
this weekend Brady Edelman Gronk on the Fox NFL pregame
show about Belichick to college.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
We heard this week that Bill Belichick is actually interviewing
for college jobs.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Can you imagine him coaching coach? No?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Can.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think there's a lot of things he can do,
and obviously he's tremendous and even showing his personality, but
getting out there on the recruiting trail and dealing with
all these college kids out.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Here, nil, could you imagine this on a couch recruiting
an eighteen year old We really want to come here,
and we don't really want you anyway, but I guess
you could come.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
We'll figure out if.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Your parents and use off the third party, you're gone,
You're off the seat.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's just it's a different world.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And I think Bill his last couple of years, I
thought in the NFL a little bit, you know, a
little tone deaf for some of the cultural offensive changes
in the league. And the other thing is, and you
see this with the Bobby Knights and the legendary older coaches.
They want control. Well, I got news for you. That's
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why Pete Carroll got into trouble in Seattle. He wanted
to control drafts, and John Snyder's like, I'm out of here.
I'm going to Detroit. The ownership the Allen Group brought
him back. And now that John Snyder controls the drafts,
Seattle is one of the best drafting teams in the league.
So these coaches, because they all know they're on the
hot seat unless they win the Super Bowl every third year,
they want control of the personnel. Bill Parcell's famously said,
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you know, if I'm going to make the dinner, I'm
gonna shot for the groceries. Like I get coaches perspective,
but Andy Reids figured it out. Brett viach, you run
it all, coach, and I that's the way to do it.
If you if you don't trust. That's why the Bears
and the Jets jobs are problematic. If you're a coach,
do you trust the guy upstairs? You know it's Kansas
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City's like when when when the Patriots were at their best,
Belichick was trusting Scott Pioli. He was letting him do
the drafts. And they were hitting on a lot of
draft picks. The more power Bill got, the more he
wanted the final say, they've had on They've hit hit
on certainly some really good defensive players, but they haven't
hit on a lot of offensive players and Bills. You know,
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this just happens. You get wealth, you get power, you
get ego, you get vanity, you want to control everything.
Even reportedly Belichick brought like, you know this binder to
Carolina of absolutes. Well, boy, that's You're not gonna ingratiate
yourself to a lot of people when they have to
only play by your rules and be accountable to you,
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but you don't have to be accountable to them. That
that's a rough start to any relationship.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
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Speaker 4 (05:27):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
This is the Herd Line News Colin.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Let's get started with a shocker in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
The Carolina Panthers, who have been horrendous for years, are
favored for the first time in two years.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Wow. They are two and.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
A half point favorites against Dallas.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
They've been getting money so far the last couple of days,
which I'm still stunned by now. Dallas is coming off
the Monday night football loss, right, Yeah, and they lost
overshown the really good promising defender who was kind of
a heartbeat of that team. So things are working against
against the Cowboy. I'll just say this Mike McCarthy. I
know he doesn't have a contract going forward, con he's
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gotten his guys.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Up for every game.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
They've fallen apart in some second halfs, but in the
first half of every game they are showing up fighting.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
He's doing it with a backup quarterback.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
You can't say that for like the Bears, who rolled
over like dogs. Okay, the Jets have just been embarrassed
in the first half of I though.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
The Jets played their best game of the season.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Yeah against Miami.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I thought they really played well. A lot of these.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Teams are You're seeing just no shows first half, Like
Tennessee's given up thirty five points.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
You know, Jacksonville doesn't have anything.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Cowboys are fighting.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
I don't know what to do with this. I kind
of think you take Dallas if you're getting three points,
are you betting well?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, I don't think Carolina is good enough to
surrender points to anybody. So if it got to three,
Dallas is absolutely the play. But I would argue I've
watched Carolina like you have. They're always a corner TV team.
But the Philadelphia game, I watched them and might take
his Bryce Young, his ability to slide in the pocket,
throw the ball, act and move Carolina looks like you know,
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and we talked about this. Gino was reborn, Donald reborn,
Baker reborn with a right you know. Liam Cohen down
for Baker, Kevin O'Connell for Donald, and a grub in Seattle,
the guy from University of Washington, the Seahawks. You look
at that new coach in Carolina. It's working, It is
absolutely working. Bryce Young will get at least one more
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year and looks he can move.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I like his mom.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
There's something there, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I talked to his high school coach, Mark Sanchez and
I were in an event and the high school coach
of Bryce Young was there and I asked him, I like,
modern day best player you've ever had in high school?
And he named two and Bryce Young was the other one,
and I was like, you've had one hundred Division one
players and he's like Bryce Young was different.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Hopefully rebounds.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
Next story is Matt Stafford Colin. He's on a bit
of a heater lately now. If you remember last December,
he also got hot help propel the Rams in the
playoff ten touchdowns, no pick during a four game winning
four game streak. This year, Stafford is cooking once again.
Ten touchdowns in his last four games, hasn't thrown a
pick in a month.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Stafford talked about protecting the football.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Every pick kind of has its own story.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But yeah, just trying to keep our team in it
as best I can, be as disciplined as I can
while still being aggressive and giving our guys opportunities to
make plays because they're doing a great job of that
for me right now.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Every interception has its own story.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
How true is that? That's really true? You know what's
happened with him? Remember when they played Chicago earlier this year,
he had a really bad pick.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It was a really ugly pick.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, and Manto has been one of those guys because
he's so aggressive, he can give you an ugly clunker
like Mahomes will give you one about once every three weeks,
you're like, ooh, that's brutal. Josh Allen can throw one.
But when you get him upright and their offensive line
is finally mostly healthy, now their first draft pick is
probably gonna be an offensive tackle. But when you give
Stafford time, I think people forget. Here's what's working for Stafford.
(09:00):
I get McVeigh, Tyron Williams, Cooper cup Pooka Nakua Like
that's if I said to you, head coach, quarterback, top
two weapons, running back, I would put the Rams in
a very very Philadelpa Eagles elite group. If I just
said again, coach, quarterback, running back, two weapons.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Because their coach is vastly superior.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I mean, so that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
When people sell the Rams, this is an offensive league
and they are five star at key position. Left tackle,
they're hitt and miss right tackle, they're great.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
The Lions or the Rams.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
With that, well, I get the best left tackle arguably
in football, and a good quarterbacks. I would say Detroce
one because I think I think that Dan Campbell's proven himself.
Golf isn't Stafford, but he's good, best left tackle, best
running back tandem, and amar On Saint Brown is great
that I think Detroit's got I mean Campbell's.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's okay, I'm good with it. But are both excellent.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yeah, the final story is oh NBA spicy story here.
So the Miami Heat are reportedly listening to offers for
Jimmy Butler aka Jimmy Buckets six time All Stars agent
has told people around the league Butler would prefer to
join wait for it, Colin, the Warriors, Mavericks or Rockets.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
And if you're.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
Watching Jimmy Butler dominate, he took the Heat to the
finals twice.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
This guy's a game.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I would worry about his aide thirty five.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think he fits the Warriors, but I would they
have to get rid of that Wiggins deal then move
off Wiggins at a heartbeat. Well, I think where he fits. Actually,
if you're asking me where he fits, it's Dallas by
a mile. And look acause he's an elite defensive player.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
He's got the blue braids now he does he really?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
He is alor the Mavericks. Dallas is a championship team.
Dallas can go toe to toe with Boston. If you
give him Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Well you got a lot you move off of You're
not moving off Kyrie. You're not moving off Clay obviously
not Luca.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That is a boy. If he goes to Dallas, that
is a roster. That is a squad because in.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
The playoffs it's basically your top seven R eight guys play.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know, you don't need depth. That is a squad.
You got to give up a You gotta give up
draft picks. Pat Riley loves draft picks.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Get Lively probably, yeah, but he doesn't get paid anything.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So you got to give up money somewhere.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
And I don't think they're doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I think they would.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Well what is Miami doing with Klay Thompson?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
No, not go anywhere.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
You're right, they want picks and they probably want young guys.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I h interesting. Gotta have matching salary somewhere.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah, that's why they pay those guys a big bucks
on office guys.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
J mckle the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. Love well tayl.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
One of the really good games this week is red
hot Tampa Bay and Baker at the Chargers and justin
Herbert Mark Sanchez will be doing that Sunday for Eastern
on Fox, and Mark joins us now as he is
prone to do, we love him. He's also gonna have
some good Jalen Hurt stuff because it's interesting. Green Bay
and Philadelphia are now run first teams despite having enormous talent.
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Let me ask you about this. I said this here today.
I think Rex Ryan back to the Jets fits because
I think they need a culture guy. And Ryan Rex
is loud and he doesn't care what you think, and
you can't you can't whimper into New York. But now
Harbaugh's personality is quirkier but similarly authentic. He has taking
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the same defense the same dudes. And now you're starting
looking at film for your game Bucks Chargers. Is it
a schematic thing like how can you take worse to first?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Mark explain that it happens every year. It seems to,
at least in one of the divisions. Some team just
surprises everybody, and then it's the sustainability of that surprise
and their resurgence. But I think when it comes to
the Chargers and Jim Harbaugh, it's important to look at
their schedule. They're beating up or win the games that
they should win. Yes, and they're getting quality wins right
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then in the big time games, maybe against Baltimore, maybe
against Kansas City. Yes, they're competitive till the end. They're
not getting blown off the map. So now you're building
this equity, sweat equity and confidence equity, if you will,
with that staff, with the players, you give them a
little bit. They see success, they want to go back
(13:25):
to that. Well, Hey, give me more, Coach me harder,
teach me something new, give me the big picture. They
are completely bought in and you can tell now the
ball is going to bounce one way or the other.
Do I think they have the roster to win the
Super Bowl this year? Eh, that'd be a stretch. I
fear a real stretch, you know. But that doesn't mean
their next step has to be Super Bowl. I mean
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if they get into the playoffs, if they beat out
Denver for this wildcard in the a SCUS, because the
Chiefs already got it right, they can be a wild
card team and get in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You never know.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Go back to two thousand nine. We weren't supposed to
go to the playoffs. We went to bed after losing
to Atlanta, and we thought we were out of the playoffs.
The very next day, we showed up at the facility
and Rex said, hey, we're winning.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
We're in.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
We're like, whoa, we got in. And not only did
we get in, we won two Wow. So the Chargers
could easily do that. You get somebody, somebody sustains a
big injury before the bye week.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
You know, there's a lot of things that can happen.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
So just getting in that tournament is really the next
rung on the ladder for them, and they got some
good games down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
The you know, it's I asked Josh McDaniel this, I said,
we always look at winning close games as valuable, and
I said, but it could be exhausted. First of all,
when you win close games, it's very celebratory. You know,
halftime the Lions half the time, they're just trying to
eat the clock and shit, get back.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
On the flight. A lot of four minute offense prep. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Right, So I look at Kansas City and I think, Okay,
here's the upside. They're winning, and then I'm like, that's
a lot of crisis management.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
It is.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I mean, go to the team and your New York team. Yeah,
was a lot of close, tough, physical grueling wins.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Does that wear on you?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's definitely becomes an endurance issue. How long can you
take it? And don't forget. They're on an incredible run
right now, right of the last few years, so they're
season longer. Everybody else starts, you know, working out the
couple weeks after their season ends, and these guys don't
get to even start. They're trying to cool down from
a red hot season every year, So the longevity of
(15:32):
the season is an issue. It becomes an endurance issue.
How long can you sustain it? But the other side
of the coin, if I'm Andy Reid and I know
this is I can all but guarantee this is how
he's spinning it. They're getting more live, high speed action
reps at game management, critical situations on the call sheet.
(15:55):
It's g hi, gotta have it like this is this
is it your chance to throw that ball, quarterback, fourth down,
doesn't matter, has to get airborne. Give your guys a chance.
I mean, this is what you dream of as a kid.
These are the situations you draw in the backyard. I mean, oh,
we got three seconds left, we got one play to
win it. They get it every week. How do we
(16:15):
manage the clock, how do we handle all these situations?
And if you're looking for a silver lining, these guys
are going to be experts, all of them. All the
players by now can like reteach from their film the
last seven or eight games and just go through the
end of game situation as if they were the coach
prepping the team for that.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
That's something.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
There's something to be said for that, because you can
tell when it comes down to it, when it's got
to have it. These dudes are all on the same page,
and it's because they have so many reps at it.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You had a unique situation where you only knew Pete
Carroll as a college coach, but he had been in
the NFL. So Bellichick to Carolina. Now Pete is different.
Pete has the energy of like when you had him
of a twenty four year old, Now it's of a
thirty four year old. He's not Belichick, He's not as
charismatic as Pete is. And Pete just walks into a
(17:03):
room and owns it in the gum chewing it for
Nettick whatever.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Sure, but.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
When you were at USC and you didn't know the
NFL at the point, but but you'd gone to a
great legendary high school. What did Pete bring from the
NFL to college that you thought really worked? Did he
did you feel like this is a pro coach and
not a college guy.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, I didn't totally know the difference, to be fair,
at that point, I hadn't seen what that next level
was like.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
But he brought so much energy and charisma that you
alluded to.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think the other thing, too, is these kids we
want to be coached. The good ones, the good programs,
find kids that want to be groomed into the best
player they can be and set them up for the
next level. And it felt like Pete was doing that
for us. He also had that added aspect of and
I know Michael Irvin alluded to this when he spoke
(17:52):
about Deon Sanders, but that fatherly or figure of wisdom
hete had that absolutely because he's not just a coach,
He's a teacher. I'm not gonna teach you this just
for football, but these you know principles. I'm teaching you
about the hard work, being on time, no whining, no complaining,
(18:13):
team first attitude. That's gonna help you in life, whether
you never play another down again. You know what I mean,
so you got a lot of that, and I think
coach Belichick has that as well. I think bottom line
to this college football deal is, I don't care if
it's Belichick and it's hard nosed and there's you know,
this emotionless existence and all were about is winning football games. Now,
I think that's an exaggerated take on who he is.
(18:34):
But he's more that than Pete and the happy sunshine
rainbow stuff. Okay, fine, The bottom line to this college
football thing is are they gonna invest enough money in
paying these players? You either put money in the well
of players. I'm dressed to go coach North Carolina right now.
If you give me one hundred million dollars, I guarantee
you'll get a competitive roster together. And I don't know
how to coach y. I'd find some guys who do. Now,
(18:55):
I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying you have
opportunities if you use the resources or allow them to
have the resources. So as much as they're trying to
figure out like is he a good fit or not, shoot,
some of these kids don't really care. I want to
get coached. I want to go to the NFL. He's
got experience with that, he knows how to coach. How
much am I making? That's what it turns into.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
So before we go to the break, Jalen hurt stuff,
I want to ask you something I said the other
day that I don't look at the recruiting day like
I used to because the portal is about thirty percent
of a roster.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
So my take care calose football is the NFL, no
salary cap, everybody's on a one year deal and no NFLPA,
no players association.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
But I am a little concerned, and I hear this
from my contacts at USC. Lincoln's inability to really get
any coalition among Southern California kids. BAMA this year, Yeah,
got more Southern California kids than USC. Does that concern you?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well, I think if you're going to be a powerhouse
in Southern California, you got to own California when it
comes to recruiting. In the days when Pete Carroll was
recruiting this state, and I remember ed Oseron talking about
it and when he'd even see other coaches show up
at LAX when they're going to poach, When our coaches
from SC are going to poach players from other he
would just ask him, what are you doing here? You're
(20:14):
on vacation. They're like, no, we're going to Modern Day.
We're going to Mission Viejo to go look at some players.
He's like, for what they're coming to sc Dude, Like,
you must be on vacation. They ain't going to you.
So that was the whole thing, right, we had California lockdown.
The craziest part to me is like when I'd get
letters from some of these schools, I didn't know where, uh,
(20:35):
you know, Tuscaloosa, Alabama was on a map. I'm sorry,
I just didn't. Ye, I came from So cal Maybe
that's on me, fine, but geographically I didn't know where
Clemson in South Carolina. What like, I didn't know what
state Clemson was. In the fact that these guys are
going from southern California to somewhere that they can't even
point out on a map in Alabama, I mean, that's
mind boggling to me. But that's the way it's been.
(20:57):
Those teams have been better. We went through the sanctions,
a lot of coaching turnover. There's a lot of factors there.
Bottom line is, if you're going to be competitive, if
you just lock down the top recruits in California. You're
competitive in the season right away.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Think about it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Two years of the best kids in California, all twenty
of them have to come to your school. I'd take
it against the rest of the country any day, just
like Texas Wood, just like Florida Wood, and there'd be
you'd have a legitimate chance to win ball games based
on talent alone, purely talent.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So if we're losing those guys also to these other places,
then what.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I always feel recruiting local kids the advantages mom and
dad are in town.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh, it's nice and they read the paper.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
It's a wonderful thing. But some kids just want to
get away.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I get it, and it's a better situation somewhere else,
you know what I mean. And also, hey, I could
always come back to sc because there's this thing called
the portal. And if it doesn't work out and you're
one somewhere else, then I'll just go right back. But
you see the amount of players that we're getting from California.
It's on a steady decline and then a sharp decline
towards the end. So I think they're that's a real
(22:00):
point of emphasis. You got to find the best players
in California. You gotta make them commit to making this
school what it can be.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Okay, we take AOD break, come back with Mark some
Jalen hurt stuff. I can't wait for it next live
in La the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
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Speaker 1 (22:21):
Okay, the ball is in Belichick's court. Carolina is working
to close the deal on him. So if Bill Belichick
mom sitting signs at Belichick to Carolina. Not sure it's
gonna work, but I think it's gonna be fascinating. I
will watch Carolina football.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I'm dressed for the part with my Carolina Blue coach Belichick.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I'm here.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You know nothing against Josh McDaniels, but I'm here. Maybe
I could be the quarterback coach. He'll be the boom
signal caller.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Okay, I got two pieces of tape I want to show.
Let's spend at least one minute on this. AJ Brown
on Hampy called out by a teammate with Jalen Hurts.
But they're running more yet they're winning more and the
offense is more efficient.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
What do you do? I think it's good problems to have.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I'd prefer to handle a lot of this stuff in house,
especially in that market. Poor Bob Laying, the PR guy
from Philly, is working overtime, I'm sure this week.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
So I feel for that. And I think the unhappiness.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Or frustration for this stuff is the lack of execution
on a couple of different fronts, but mainly when the
quarterback is dropping back to pass, I think there's a
couple of miscues and you know, a little bit of
a misfire here or there, and he's showing that he's
a lot of his demeanor and eyes and footwork and
(23:36):
timing are usually in the right place, but the ball's
not coming out, and so it's a little frustrating for
the receivers. Is kind of what I'm gathering based on
the emotional media side. And then the you know, cutthroat
execution tape. So when we go to this tape, let's
go to it. I think it's important to understand how
these reads really work. And for Jalen, there is a
(23:57):
such thing as a pure progression where no matter what
I'm going one through five or a pre snap look
where you need to know the down in distance is
third and eight. Okay, the defense is gonna show me
a look, and I have to start my progression either
to the right or to the left, whatever I'm you know,
breaking down. Am I working the isolation side or the
combination side, either to DeVante Smith or not. So he
(24:18):
sees Manda Man, he's looking first at DeVante Smith or
Davante Yeah, Davante Smith.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
They're gonna double them. They're gonna play cloud to his side.
The corner's gonna bump up. The safety's gonna take half
the field, so he's doubled. The safety's on the other
side are playing quarters. Each of them have a quarter
of the field. I'm gonna work the trip side. In
my read, I'm gonna work to the right instead of
working to DeVante. So Davante's dead to me, I'm working
this whole combination up top. You're working Calcata down the middle.
(24:48):
If you love it, great, if not, cool, Davante's dead.
He's got doubled, right, so we've established that he's out.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Calcata is my alert down the middle alive during split safety,
you could argue he could rip this ball to cal
Katara on this play and have a huge explosive pass
the next guy in the slot. He's just running for
the love of the game, clearing it out for who
really is number one outside aj Brown. The next progression
after you check your alert, you don't like it, you
(25:16):
go Aj Brown to the halfback.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
As soon as he gets his football, watch his feet.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
He's throwing a fourteen yard hind rout or a Harvey
on the outside of number three right to Aj Brown.
I'd prefer a three hitch and throw. He wants to
go quick, five eyes to the right spot. He's got
his eyes on number one. He's determined from this pre snap. Look,
I'm gonna throw it and then the ball doesn't come out. Okay, fine,
if you don't like it, that's okay. I'd argue, rip
(25:41):
that ball off three steps in a hitch. If you
don't like it, that's what the back's for. That is
what the backs for. Dump it to him inside shoulder.
He splits the two first down fly egles fly. Well, okay,
we're gonna run out and do these trick shot throws
on the edge and make life really hard. Now, this
is where you get away.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
He makes up for it because he either scrambles for
the first down or he makes a throw like this right,
and it looks everything's fine. Well, let's go to this
next club. Okay, they end up scoring on that drive.
Let's go to the end of the first half. Yeah,
I'm trying to double up on points. I'm trying to
kick a field goal at worst. Then get the ball
in the third quarter, which they were gonna do. And
(26:23):
now we jump this team, we lap them. Okay, where's
this safety going? It's another pre snap. Look now, this
is quick game, so there's no checkdown and he's got
manna man across the board. Yeah, okay, great, Well, how
are they gonna play the middle of the field, because
I need to know am I working to the left
or to the right. They're gonna cut this red in half.
So Jalen's looking at the back, looking at the two backers.
(26:44):
He knows it's man to man. How are they playing
the middle? They're gonna banjo the back. That means whichever
side the back goes to, that backer is gonna take
him the other guy fill in. Now, when you do that,
since the back is displaced left and then goes right.
There goes the backer up top with it. He's got
to take him. He's coming to my side. He's mind boom.
This other backer fills in. There's nobody in the middle
(27:05):
of the field. So now you got two inbreaking routes
versus off coverage mand a man inside leverage, and you
got two top ten receivers on the left side of
the field that are ready for this. You have a
great call here. You have two inbreaking routes versus off
inside coverage. Manda man work it inside out, catch left foot,
(27:25):
right foot. Ball is out to number one inside to
number two outside.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Now watch him again from the slot. There goes DeVante Smith.
You don't like that, okay, fine, Even if you make
the argument that you don't like that throw, you felt
this guy triggering. Okay, great, there's no excuse why this
ball doesn't go to Aja Brown. I don't understand. I
genuinely don't understand. And he's he's done these plays before.
(27:52):
I've seen him execute it on film. I can show
you twenty clips.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
If it's a confidence thing, I don't know. If it's
a short circuit thing, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
What it is.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But when you go back and look at this, and
then he has to jump up and just throw the
ball away. This time DeVante wasn't available for the special
scramble splash play. Those are so now it looks terrible.
The other one would have looked as bad if he
didn't complete the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So he's got open guy.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There's guys open, and so when you know, aj Brown
makes the knee jerk reaction emotional response, which I wish
he wouldn't have, but it's clear what he's talking about
is stuff like this, and it's not just him. There's
other guys open too. The ball should have gone to
Saquon Barkley, the ball could have gone to Devonte Smith inside.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
It's not just one guy. And so listen. Is this
stuff fixable?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Absolutely, but it's you know, at some point you got
to cut that ball loose.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Just let it go.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Jalen, you know the reds, you know the footwork, you
know where your eyes are supposed to go.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Cut it loose, Hayes.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
In the barn, you know what to do. Show me,
just let the ball out of your hid. Because he's
accurate enough, he's strong enough. He makes those splash plays.
Like it's all there for him, and so I think
they're just frustrated that. I mean, they could be blowing
teams out with like two or three more plays that.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Are executed a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
We're talking a little bit better, and they're beaten teams
by fourteen to twenty one points. So it's I think
that's where this team has to make a jump and
you know, fix those issues relationally and execution wise.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Okay, finally, minute and a half left, Belichick looks like
the ball is in his court. According to Adam Schefter Jmac,
you think Belichick's gonna succeed at Carolina? I do not
long term. I mean year one. I think long term
it doesn't feel right to me. You're yay, I'm nay.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
O Lanta, how much do we have in the nil
slush fund? Then I'll say yes or no, because if
it's fifty million plus or whatever, these big time schools
are seventy five hundred.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yes for the record, the hard yes.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Are they gonna be SMU or not? Where did SMU
come from? And they just suddenly won a bunch of
games on a doubt. Where'd all those players come from?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
My god? They locked down all their home talent. It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Okay, No, Indiana came out of nowhere. Just transfer portal. Nil,
it can be done.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I'm gimme the number and I'll tell you yes or no.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
On Carolina, well, that's what's disturbing about USC. Their collective
is up to eighteen million annually and they're six and six.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So the other teams, where's Georgia, Where's Texas? Where's Ohio state?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, they were at eighteen, they may be at twenty now.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I'm just saying that's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I think they'd be way north of that, but I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, yeah, okay, So Bill Belichick, it's going to be
back to college.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That Rodney Dangerfield movie. It's back. Bill's back to college.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Listen, I'm in the interesting business. I'm watching their games.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Oh I'm watching it just because I am just no question.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, find me ray Comsport. I need an ACC game
on my television set.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Thanks Mark, we'll see it tomorrow with the Herd
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