December 12, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin reacts to Bill Belichick's decision to make the move to college football and become the head coach of North Carolina
He explains why the NFL was no long an option for Belichick despite being the most successful head coach in league history
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Speaker 1 (01:06):
So yesterday, at the end of our show, the reports
came out that Belichick and Carolina were getting close it's official.
So Bill Belichick's the coach of Carolina. We both love
college football, so it's another talking point. So I'm you know,
I'm going to talk more college football and I love that.
Fascinating this morning though. Seth Wickersham is a first ballot
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Hall of Fame writer and reporter for ESPN. He has
got a behind the scenes story over the last year
on Belichick. Go read it. Seth Wickersham tremendous and he
talks about you know, Belichick would meet with Matt Patricia.
He would meet with Mike Lombardi, who he just hired
at Carolina. I know Micha a little bit and they
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would meet, go on zoom calls and talk about the
NFL and what's coming open and that, you know, Belichick
kind of got disgusted by the NFL and that nobody
was really interested. Now, he did think the Bears was
the best job opening this year. I agree, I think,
but he didn't think they'd hire him. The New York
Giants job he would take, but he thinks Brian Daviles
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a good coach, so do I and will retain the job.
He would never do the Jets. Jacksonville wasn't happening, So
here we go. The story is fascinating, and my takeaway
on reading this is kind of the same with a
lot more illumination, is that, you know what, when you
keep doors shut on people for twenty years, don't be
surprised that when the doors open, there's not a lot
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of people there with open arms for you. Tom Brady
and Belichick twenty years never went to dinner. Tom Brady's
documentary his then wife Giselle pleading, would you please show
Tom respect? Relationships more than ever matter in the NFL.
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It's not just IQ, it's IQ and EQ. And I
think Belichi clearly preferably would not want the ACC's fourth
best football job, but that's all that was out there.
The NFL is much more collaborative today. It's much more
Sean McVeigh than do your job. It's us, not me.
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Doors were closed. The Athletic also excellent reporting this morning
on why Belichick abandoned hope of landing NFL jobs. One
executive said he burned a lot of bridges. Another said
people would be concerned about the culture he would create
in the building. Again, Belichick leaned in to his terse nature,
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his rigidity, his cutthroat personality, and you're not going to
change the perception because you take a TV job for
a year, smile more, occasionally laugh and make us all
believe it's all rainbows and sunshine. People know what Bill is.
We know what Bill is. Bill knows what Bill is,
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and Caroline is like, we'll roll the dice on it.
So and again, I love college football. I hope it works.
I'm not rooting for it not to work. But again,
if you act a certain way for a long time,
you're gonna meet a lot of the people you burned
on the way down. And there's no job openings. People
are not interested. And let's be honest, the NFL doesn't
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need anybody. Drew Brees retired, Brady retired, Peyton Manning retired.
You know what happened to the ratings? They went up.
This is not a league to toy with. They don't
need TV networks. Now they've got streamers to the long
standing networks. Are they necessary? Thank god, they've all got
ten to eleven year deals starting this year. But the
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league doesn't need anybody. This is not the NBA, where
your ratings hinge on an MJ or a shack. This
is not golf or your economy, your ecosystem largely hinges
on like the Masters or Tiger Woods. That's not what
the NFL is. And Bill was perpetually difficult, perpetually dismissive
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of opinions that didn't align with his. And guess what,
he's going to have a place in Canton. It's a
first ballot decision. He is widely respected as the greatest
defensive coach of all time. But the Patriots are three
and two right now, and at this time last year
they were three and ten with Belichick, three and ten.
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Now three and ten, now three and ten last year
with Belichick. He'll go to Canton, and he deserves it.
But it's a different league. It's a league that waits
for nobody. It's a league that doesn't need anybody. Mahomes
in nine years retires, there'll be another crop of superstar quarterbacks.
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They can certainly do without a great coach. At seventy two,
there were no doors opened. It's not all the NFL's fault.
Bill closed a lot of those doors. Again, the Seth
Wickersham article must read a lot of great intel. Now
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here is something I actually think, and I this is fascinating.
So Mike Lombardi, who is now a media person, has
been hired by Belichick to be his GM. Now, I've
had multiple conversations with athletic directors in the last nine
to twelve months. This is the future of college football
general managers. In fact, I met with the Jen Cone
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at USC. We had a long lunch over this. This
is the future of the sport. And so Belichick sees
that and is hiring Mike Lombardi, an ally, a confidant
for years, to be his GM. And it's a I mean,
it's full NFL. They're not even masquerading that it's college
They're not even trying to fool anybody. This is the NFL.
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And here is Lombardi yesterday talking about his job now
with Belichick in Chapel Hill.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
We're going to build a pro personnel department, and that
pro personnel department really will be the transfer portal. So
that will be what we build there to monitor all
the college teams, whether it's in the ACC, the Big Ten,
the Southeast Conference, or in any conference. Right the new
Pact twelve, so you have to monitor all the players
just like you would in pro football. And then obviously
you'll have a director of college scouting, but that guy
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will be the director of high school scouting and monitor
all the high schools.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Okay, so that is the future. Now, how well will
Belichick do well? It should be noted Indiana a basketball school,
Arizona State and a baseball school at least it was
for years and SMU just made the playoff, so Belichick
can compete. And he also has a personnel guy. So
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I don't think Belichick is the perfect personality fit, but
I think like coaching and personnel, well, he'll be fine. Now, Lombardi,
who I know a little, and Belichick are terse. They're outspoken,
they can be kurt. They're very direct that will rub
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a lot of people on a college campus the wrong way.
They will have no interest going to gala's with the
other coaches in the athletic department. They are pros. They're
going to come in with a certain arrogance and belief
and they don't care about your volleyball program or your
swim program. They don't care. And there's a lot of
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high maintenance and needy coaching and overmatched administrators at the
college level. So I don't think it's going to be
a coaching issue with Bill, he'll be great. I don't
think it's going to be a personnel issue. Mike Lombardi
will do fine. But dealing with donors in this ever
fluid collective in Il. Here's the thing Bill loves. Structure.
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College football doesn't have any. It used to have some,
now it's got very little. So what Bill's doing, if
you watch this move with Lombardi, he's bringing in structure.
We're gonna run a pro football operation. And again it's
gonna rub a lot of people the wrong way. The
personality with Lombardi and Belichick, that's gonna be interesting. The
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football and the players. The collective by North Carolina reportedly
is going from four million, which is laughable, to eighteen
to twenty million, so they'll get players. But I'm rooting
for it. I love the sport. It's another talking point.
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But there will be clashes. I think it will start.
It'll be fun and it's the headlines. It's powder blue.
It's gonna look nice and there will be there will
be feathers ruffled on that campus. And I can't wait,
and I'll and I'll listen. I have a graphic. Here's
North Carolina's schedule next year, and again they've got players
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Mac Brown could recruit. I mean their road games are
cal and Wake Forest and Charlotte and Syracuse. You know,
we're not talking the AFC West or the NFC North.
They're home games Stanford, Duke, Virginia like an academic all
star roster, Richmond, Clemson. So there's no reason why Bill
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Belichick could not peel off at ten and one. I
would not be surprised by that at all. If they
can get quarterback just solid. I don't worry at all
about the coaching of the personnel. They're ramping up the club.
That's not it, and I think for a year you'll
look at it and go, oh, it is hommon. But
we got pictures here Bill and Chapel Hill. Listen, he's
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got a new girlfriend. It's younger, he's exciting, excited. It's
a college campus. It could you know, maybe he is
going to be turning a new leave. It's gregarious and joyful, Bill.
But the football coaching's fine. The personality fit with Lombardi
is gonna be really interesting. It's like Charlie Weiss at
Notre Dame. Charlie Weiss. The schemes were fine. He wore
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everybody out, you know, Charlie wore people out. The schemes
were smart. That wasn't the issue.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I love I love doing this job. It's so much fun.
All I thought about last night is Nick Wright said
it to me yesterday. Can you imagine Bill Belichick and
the Pop Tart Bowl? It will look different.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
He's going on. You saw that schedule right there. Come on,
they could go to ten or eleven wins.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
By the way, you mentioned a it's gonna be rocky.
There's gonna be problems. You know who else had some
problems and some rocky stuff happened. Deon Sanders, Yeah, he had.
I'm looking here. Three years of coaching at Jackson State.
That's it. He goes to Colorado. They start hot, finished
four and eight. Oh, Gianni can't hang and gonna get
blasted nine and through.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
This year now, So let's be fair. If Carolina is
bumpy to start, and I don't think they will be.
The schedule is easy, the conference is bad, and Bill's.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Their depends with the portal. They got to get a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But again, Bill will be able to win without great talent.
He spent a lot of his dynasty in New England,
having the second third best roster in the AFC. Bill's
won with less talent. So again, this is it's not
a terrible fit. From there, he will not have as
much talent if he goes into a playoff as Texas, Oregon, Georgia,
He's not going to have that, And I think we
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all have to be fair. I have to be fair.
I'm rooting for it, not against it. I have. I
don't think it's a great fit. I think this is
a nobody is interested in the NFL. I think is ideal.
I think Bill would rather be coaching the Chicago Bears
next year and the and the New York Giants next year.
What evidence is there that Seth withck Wickersham's article is that, Well,
I'm seth Wickersham. I trust he is great. So his
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articles basically Bill wanted NFL jobs, but they weren't interested
in him, and he got disgusted by the league. And
my take is the league is fine.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
You don't think he's disgusted like Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles,
who haven't done Jack squat, they're the one saying I
don't know about Belichick. I would be disgusted too, wouldn't you.
I mean, that's lif I think the Atlanta Falcons were like,
I don't know about this Belichick guy. The Atlanta Falcons
who have never won anything. Those guys in the front
office look at their record. They haven't done anything well.
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And Belichick is the most accomplished coach in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You're not contextualizing it. He wants total control and his
personnel decisions are awful. They remember the end. It's remember
Bobby Knight as the aged wouldn't recruit. So if you
hire Bobby Knight, oh, he's the most accomplished coach. When
he leaves, you have no players. They have no players
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in New England. So when you hire Lane Kiffen, you
may not love his personality, but if he leaves, you
are left with a stack roster. If Sark doesn't work Texas,
you're left with a stacked roster. When Bobby Knight left
school done in Texas, they have no players. As he
wanted to give the job to his son because he
refused to do things that you have to do. It's
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a young man's game. So when you hire these legends,
be very careful. College athletic is a young man's game.
I always said this, if you're gonna roll the dice
on a coach, get a young, great recruiter. Oklahoma did
this years ago. They hired a guy, I think it
was John Blake, and John didn't work as a coach,
but he was a tremendous recruiter. Year two, Bob Stoopswindinnati
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with tons of NFL guys. You hire older coaches who
aren't gonna play any games. If it doesn't work, it's
a three year rebuild to get players because they're not
gonna outbid Georgia Florida State SEC schools for players.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Well, I would largely agree with that, but this whole
like doesn't recruit thing. The game has changed. It's no
less about recruiting. I had a guy on my podcast,
former quarterback Arizona State, who said, listen, there's offensive lineman
out there who are like, Oh, this team wants me,
this team wants me. I don't even know where these
schools are on a map, but they're offering five hundred
thousand dollars. I'm going there, like that's where we are.
And it's less about recruiting, more about show me the money, show.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Me the remember most schools have like the big schools
have sixteen to eighteen million, the quarterback increasing at least
taking four to five. So you don't just have the
ability to buy a roster. You have to recruit at
least sixty to seventy percent of your roster has to
be high schoolers. The other thing is Brian Kelly, who
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is a better college coach today than Bill Belichick has
proven to be. He's a better college coach. He's finding out.
When you go buy a roster, your chemistry's brutal. You
got to buy the right guy. Well again, there is
no perfect guy for the perfect program. Lincoln Riley's finding
out and Brian Kelly successful college coaches, this is what
they do. You can't just buy a roster. You can't.
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You have to have foundational high school connections.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
How's this better shot at the playoff next year, Lincoln
Riley or Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, Belichick is in a much easier conference. I mean
the ACC is Clemson and nonsense. I mean, that's time.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
I'm in Vegas. I'll see what the odds are on
Belichick making it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Look at look at look at Carolina's schedule.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I don't even know Carolina's roster now, and I can
tell you that's that's ten wins.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Right there at Syracuse and home against Clemson are tough games. Okay,
that's it.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
ACC Football's back, baby, Well, I'll watch it. You made
a Raco Sports References. That's so classical.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'm watching it. I'm not rooming against him. We want
more topics like Caitlin Clark saved us in August? Are
you kidding me?
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Rates none of the Bowl. As Belichick was signing that
deal with Carolina, it made me actually think of Andy Reid,
who has aged very very well, and I don't think
he's going to end his career with a job in
the ACC. Andy Reid, as you recall, got fired in
Philadelphia and had a job four days later in Kansas City,
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and there were multiple NFL suitors. Andy Reid's coaching tree
is much superior to Belichick's. He's been to a super
Bowl in both conferences. He's won with multiple quarterbacks, and styles.
The league's been trending in his direction finally for years.
And here's what's amazing. How undervalued Andy Reid is. Andy
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Reid only needs six more playoff wins. That's it to
surpass Belichick. I bet you didn't know that. That's how
good he is. Belichick had a twenty year run. Is
Andy had Mahomes five Andy by the way five and
one in the regular season as a Chiefs coach against Belichick.
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But if Mahomes and Andy Reid stay together just two
to three more seasons, he will surpass Belichick in all
time wins and all time playoff wins, I would imagine.
And so I think Belichick looks at that, and I'm
not sure he thinks he's gonna have some Don Shuler
record for long anyway. And I've said this is that
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I think one of the reasons I call Bill Parcells
the greatest, one of the greatest coaches of all time,
Bill one with multiple quarterbacks, Bill one immediately with multiple
owners overnight, like he walked into dumpster fires and the
next year they were good. Urban Myers done this in college.
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Parcells does this in the NFL. And this is not
a shot at Belichick, but Belichick five years in Cleveland
for losing seasons, the year in New England pre Brady
losing season, the two years after Brady left losing seasons.
Belichick never won without Parcels or Brady. Andy wins with everybody.
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And I mean so, I mean Andy Reid was getting
to conference championships in the NFC when other teams were stacked,
and he was doing it with B and B plus quarterbacks.
So Andy Reid's career is not beholden to one coach
or one player. And I've said this before. If the
NFL would have been fourth right and honest about CTE
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concerns twenty years ago and written a check and made
the league safe for twenty years ago to the level
it's safe now, then Andy Reid would be Belichick. Belichick
was very fortunate that he got a great generational quarterback
pretty early in his career and Andy had to wait
twenty years. That is not to say that Belichick isn't
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right now viewed the greatest all time coach. He deserves
all the roses for that, but it is interesting when
he got this job, I thought, a it's remarkable how
few years Andy Reid needs to keep winning to surpass him.
That's how great he's been. He just got his generational quarterback.
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So Nick right earlier this week on Belichick leaving the
NFL for college and Andy Reid potentially passing him on
that wins list.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Even if you go get that record, are you just
holding it for a year for Andy Reid? And I
know people like on Nick, your chief's guy. Here are
the numbers. He's going to end this season right around
three hundred. If he's at two ninety six right now,
he'll be forty seven away from Shula himself. That means
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three great years or four mediocre years. So how important
is that all time coaching record if you actually only
hold it for twelve months before Andy Reid comes blows
past you.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think there's real legitimacy. I think Seth Wickersham pointed
out in the article. But I think Nick makes a
great point is if Andy's health holds up, cross your
fingers there, and he's gonna end up the all time
winning as coach. And he's one with a multitude of
C B and A plus quarterbacks in both conferences. And
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it's why it's so easy for me to root for
Kansas City as they dominate the league. I never rooted
against New England. I thought they were smarter than everybody.
I think I feel the same way about Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
All right, So we've been tracking this Eagles drama all
the week. Jalen hurts first A J. Brown courtesy of
Brandon Graham's comments on our radio Stow Show It in Philly.
Well Hertz and Brown both addressed the situation yesterday. They
claim everything's good.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Me and Jaylen are good.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So this BG gouts you say, everybody loves BG.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
They perceived what I said about passing and felt like
it was an attack on Jaalen, and I think that's
what he did.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know, man, Jalen relationship is personal.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
He knows I had a lot of love for him,
just like I got a lot of love for all
these guys. And ultimately, you know, he's a guy that
he's a guy that's a competitor. You know, he wants
to win, He down show, wants the ball, and he
wants he wants to make an impact in the game.
And I respect that, you know, And it's just like
all of us.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, it used to be that if you won, that
would pretty much be the end of it. But you know,
I get it. Receivers want theirs. I understand you're out
on the perimeter. You sometimes feel disconnected from the unit
first out of the huddle, So I get it. But
I will say the Eagle staff off of bye told
you what they believe. The offense is about twenty past
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of ten, heavy doses of Saquon Barclay running and a
handful half dozen shots down the field to AJ Brown.
That's what the staff told you in the bye week,
because in the bye week you self scout. So in
bye weeks in the NFL, what a teams do well
they get healthy, No they don't. The coaches self scout
how would we beat us? And what the Eagles found
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is when we asked Jalen to throw thirty two times,
we make mistakes, often giving teams our opponents easier better
field position. So Philadelphia is self scouted and said, when
we throw eighteen to twenty times, nobody is beating us
because we eliminate the mistakes.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Listen, I know there's going to sound defensive of Hurts,
but he is on his third offensive coordinator. I believe
in three years right Stike in the disaster last year
and now Kellen Moore. So yeah, there were some hiccups early.
He had some bad turnovers. That Saints game. I remember
betting the Eagles of that one, and Hurts.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Was a busb Mark Sanjez showed us yesterday. AJ Brown's
open like by a lot, and he doesn't get the ball.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Toveray and then number say, when you get ball to
a J.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Brown, they win, they win.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
If he's out of the lineup, they ain't win it.
So this has to be fixed.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
There's still a lot of acrimony. Remember I lived outside
of Philadelphia. Yeah, I still talk to a bunch of buddies.
They're not universally on board with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's weird.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
They don't think he's awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Well, and I'm just like, he's not Matt Stafford from
the pocket. He's not no, no, no, not in that class.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
But his legs make him, I believe one of the
top five six quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
In the league. I'd go closer to eight nine. But yeah,
I think he's a very dangerous player when he get.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
To watch this week, So he wins with his legs
a lot. Well, you know who faces Labar Jackson twice
a year is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're not gonna be
surprised by Jalen Hurts stuff. So this is a This
is a big game I think for Hurts. Yeah, I
think we'll talk about that more a little more tomorrow.
Next up, Colin is the lucky Kansas City Chiefs, luckiest
team in the NFL. You love when I say that,
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But how about this Casey is set to play three
games over the next eleven days, and Patrick Mahomes he's
not thrilled about that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's not like a good feeling. I mean, not that
I'm excited to play on Christmas to hopefully get back
from what we did last year. But you never want
to play this many amount of games in this short
of time. It's just not great for your body. But
at the end of the day, it's your job, your profession.
Need to come to work and do it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah. This before the season started, I think we both
discussed this. This is kind of a ridiculous schedule for
Kansas City based on the fact they have Mahomes And
this is the downside to being the Cowboys. Or the
Chiefs or the Patriots in their dynasty. And I don't
like when the league does this. Is that Aaron Rodgers
first five or six games this year with the Jets,
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it's Sunday, it's Monday, it's Thursday. I don't love you
get punished in the NFL for being scintillating. So this
is I don't think this is fair. I don't like it.
I think players get more injured when they're fatigued. And
this is a really really rough slate for Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Well, let's listen Christmas Day. Obviously, last year the success
of the NFL on Christmas was huge, so they wanted
to crowbar another game. The problem is Christmas is on
a Wednesday. You're making guys play on a Wednesday. Column.
So this week they play Sunday, then it's Saturday against
the Texans, then it's Christmas Day Wednesday against the Steelers.
Remember that stat. I think we unearthed it in the preseason.
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The Chiefs are the team in the league that I
believe plays on every day of the weekend except Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Tuesday, Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
That's not right.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Come on, they're kind of shafting for people for years
and years when Eli Manning was playing for the Giants,
they were always complaining were on Sunday night all the time.
It ruins. You know, coaches love structure and consistency, and
by the way, players love that. Like Stafford has a
way of doing business. So you know this is I
got nothing against Netflix. They'll do a great job. And
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the Amazon schedule tonight again great. I think the more
the merry or I think it benefits all of us,
the rising tide for all the networks, but it is
it is tough on the dominant, more scintillating teams that
are forced to play uneven schedules.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
So I'm looking at the injury report and this is
worth monitoring this DJ Humphries remember they picked him U Yeah,
he's gonna be a savior at left tackle.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
He got hurt.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
I think it was fourth quarter and he's not practicing
it this week. We'll see today. But that's not great
against Miles Garrett of the Browns, followed by the Texans
have a pretty good pass rush with the young kid
at Alabama, and then the Steelers have what So if
the Chiefs aren't healthy, I'm not saying three game losing streak,
what are they going in these three games, Color.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
If you can go. You know what I think, if
you go two and one and are healthy, you take
it today. Just you're going to keep the number one seed.
I think you're really thinking about health. Like Noah Gray,
We're gonna lean on you in that second game, Travis,
the first and third game in eleven days. The second game, Noah,
you're gonna get seventy percent of the snaps. I think
that's what you have to.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Do, Okay, I smell of one and two.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
We'll see final story.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Colin. So the NBA last night an NBA Cup game
between the Warriors and Rockets, and if you if you're
watching here on FS one, there's a scramble for the
ball and with seconds left in the game, they call
a loose ball foul on Jonathan Kleming. That's insane and
Steve Kerr lost his mind. Steve Kerr went ballistic. Here
he is after the game.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
You've established you're just not gonna call anything throughout the game.
It's physical game. I'm going to call it a loose
ball foul on a jump ball situation with guys diving
on the floor with the game on the line.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
This is a.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Billion dollar industry.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, people's jobs on the line.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
I'm pissed off. I wanted to go to Las Vegas.
We wanted to win this Cup. We aren't going because
of a loose ball foul eighty feet from the basket
with the game on the line. I've never seen anything
like it in my life, and that was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Thank you for the record. I'm not a fan of
complaining about officiating. That was a horrendous call. You do
not call the ever a loose that's a jump ball.
You don't call that in that moment. That's just not
that is not all legitimate. And the NBA has got
a lot of young refs and they've had a rough
couple of years. I was just talking to a friend
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of mine, Ryan Rosseillo, the other day about this. He's
been on the forefront of those discussions. That's it's just
a bad call that you got to it's a jump ball. Yeah,
if you know what it's like calling, it would be going.
And let's say it's not analogous perfectly, but a big
divisional rival NFL game tonight, Rams play the forty nine
ers and it's a you know, it's seven, it's twenty
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seven to twenty seven and it's a jump ball and
a lot of contact in the end zone, both receiver
and corner, throwing a flag on the last play and
giving the team a walk off field goal. If there's
all sorts of contact, you don't unless it's an agreed
just pushed by the receiver or the corner. You step away.
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They're both handsy and you go to ot. That's a
decision by ref that decides an outcome. Yeah, I mean,
you play enough hoops now you would never get on
the ball round for a loose ball.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
But we lost a championship game like four weeks ago
on a loose ball with ten seconds left. The guy
made the free throws.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
We lost.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
But the Rockets are they're interesting. And you see the
score of this game, Colin. It ended up ninety one
to ninety. Okay, for all Leay's talk about the NBA
and three pointers in offense and no defense, this NBA
Cup game they were locked down. This was a physical,
tough game, felt like an NBA Finals game. I know
people are down on the NBA. Whatever, I don't really care.
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I think this was I thought this was great theater
and this Rockets team is super interesting. Keep an eye
on the Warriors slip sliding down the standings. There not
looking good for Golden State Homs.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
They're not a championship team. Jmackl the news.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
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Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, ucky to have them on. Jordan Schultz, NFL Insider,
on Speak after our show today and after First Things first,
So let's start with this. You were on the forefront
of this story. Belichick to Carolina, I saw Seth Wickersham today,
said he thought the Jets was the best job and
he was interested in Jacksonville. Non starter with the Jets.
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I'm not sure who wants that job. But are you
surprised he took a twenty third best college football job
in the country.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
I was surprised originally Colin when he took the interview,
but then it became less surprising as his I would say,
appetite from NFL teams was not what he thought it
would be. I don't believe that Belichick assumed going into
this cycle that he wouldn't have the pick of his litter. Now,
last year, the only team that showed tangible interests was
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the Atlanta Falcons. They got pretty far down the line.
Arthur Blank liked him, but ultimately Bill was never willing
to really cease control. Even though he told Atlanta, I'm
okay giving some of the personnel to someone else else.
I don't really believe in. NFL teams don't believe that
he was willing to go down that route. So as
the market started to materialize or lack thereof, it became
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clear to Bill that I need to take the most
secure position I can right now bring my staff, whether
it's Michael Lombardi, maybe it's Matt Patricia, Joe Judge. Because
NFL teams weren't going for that. They didn't want to
bring in Matt Patricia, they didn't want to bring in
Josh McDaniels. So, all due respect to Bill, the greatest
coach of all time at seventy two seventy three years old,
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the market was simply not what he thought it would be.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, it's interesting because that to me means Mike Vrabel, Yep,
there you go is the number one choice for Chicago
and the Jets and Jacksonville. My question is are those
jobs good enough for Vrabel?
Speaker 8 (32:52):
So I think Bill was right when he thought that
Jacksonville could be a good job because the owner would
allow you a lot of control. I don't believe they're
going to move on from Trent Balk the GM. I
think they're going to keep him.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's problematic for me.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
That's a big problem, and a lot of teams don't
understand that. But Trent has buddied up in a way
that is commendable to Tony Kahn and Shag Coh. He's
indispensable to them. I don't think he's gonna get fired.
Doug Peterson will not be there after the year. Chicago's
a great job, and I think Bill identified that as a.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Really uptick, really good roster.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
It is.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
However, Bill was never going to have the type of
control there that he wanted. And I think it's very
clear among league circles that Chicago, at least right now
looks at the offensive side of the ball. Maybe it's
a Ben Johnson, someone of that caliber. As we need
to address the Caleb Williams dilemma we've had this year,
which is we haven't been able to develop him the
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right way. So your point about Vrabel. Chicago's a great job.
New York's the Giants are a great job. But if
you don't win there, you get worn down. And we
saw it even with the Jets. You know, all due
respect to Robert Sala, I don't think he's a bad
football coach, sure, but he got.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Worn down by the New York media blitz.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
And Woody Johnson was a non starter to your point
with Bill, So listen, there's going to be six seven
eight jobs there always are.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Rabel's the top choice.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Rabel is absolutely the top or I think Ben Johnson.
Those are the two guys that teams are looking at.
One's an offensive wonder kin, another's an established defensive players.
First guy that took the Tennessee Titans to back to
back NFCC.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And that was a dysfunctional organization when he was there.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Absolutely absolutely, And I think the other one that's interesting
and is the Raiders, So you know the Raiders College.
I'm actually curious for you, is that a good job
in your in your mind?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, first of all, in a division with Andy Reid, Harbon,
Sean Payton, Antonio Pierce and I know him and I
like him, feels a little overwhelmed that is the best
coaching division. I mean, you're you're making an argument. Now
you have three first ballot Hall of Fame coaches. Antonio
Pierce has never been a head coach. I don't think
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it was a winning proposition. I mean, does it id
like to you going into a season Antonio Pearson, Gardner,
Minshew against Harbon, Herbert and Mahomes and Reid. I think
it's a very interesting job. They have a left tackle,
a superstar tight end, an all world pass rusher. They
to me are an offensive coach and a quarterback away
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from being interesting. But even if they get it right,
the division is a Hall of Fame Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
That's a great point, I would say. Mark Davis earlier
this week in Dallas said that he likes how hard
the guys are still playing. Yes, so's that's a good thing. Yes,
and I think we both like Antonio Pierce. The bigger
question is is Mark Davis going to want to pay
three different head coaches who are no longer in the building.
I talked to a GM last night about this. No
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one else gonna come on, what's the situation in Vegas?
And he said that means he would if he fires ap.
He's paying Pierce, McDaniels, and Gruden, and none of them
are in the building. So then you have the Tom
Brady element. Now Brady is obviously a minority owner, but
he's gonna give a validity and a cachet of prosceeds
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to that organization, and I think Mark Davis will listen
to him. So then we have our Fox friend Tom Brady,
you have Mike Frabel. They're former teammates. I don't know
whether or not the Raiders are going to move on
from Pierce. It's a really good job. If you're success,
if you're built to withstand those three coaches in that division,
if you can win there, that's an organization that is.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
So if I was the Raiders, I would absolutely offer
Rabel the job. But if I was Vrabel, I wouldn't
take it. See that's the way. If I was Chicago,
i'd offer Vrabel the job. If I'm Vrabel, I'm not
sure i'd take it. But I speak with Mike Rabel
and I will tell you that what matters to him,
and I don't want to get too much into the details,
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is roster composition. And I think it's reasonable to say
that Belichick and Rabel bo C. Chicago is a very
good roster right now.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
I would totally agree.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Okay, Philadelphia, AJ Brown, Jalen Hurts, brandon Ingram is it
tense or overblown?
Speaker 8 (37:05):
It's overblown because this is pro sports, you know. I
think there's a misconception among fans calling that all these
guys hang out, they're all friends. This is not the case,
especially in a locker room with fifty three guys, fifty
three egos. We had talked five or six weeks ago
that it was too early to panic in Philly, and
they've now become the hottest team in the league. I
think at some point down the season, down the stretch
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that Hurts is going to have a big play, a
couple big plays to AJ Brown. It's just it's gonna happen,
and they're gonna dab each other up, and everything's gonna
be copa setic and we're gonna laugh at this moment saying, oh,
they're beefing. AJ Brown wants the football. This is what happens,
and winning does solve everything. But we're not at the
point in the season where it's panic mode for anybody.
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If you're wing like the Eagles are just fine. They
are in the exact position they want to be in.
They have the offensive coordinator. To what j Max said earlier,
earlier in the segment, earlier in the in the day,
I don't think this is an issue at all.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Okay, tonight, If San Francisco loses now, I wrote their
obituary three weeks ago. If San Francisco loses tonight, it
feels like to me, it is a reboot. It is
time to move multiple pieces. Do they view it that way?
Speaker 8 (38:24):
And are you putting Kyle on that?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Because no, no, No, Kyle's safe. Kyle's fine. I think Lynch
is fine. I think it's a well run organization. They've
had draft misses. I don't love. That's life in the NFL.
But I think it's much more. I mean, if the
Rams lose, we're gonna say they're almost this close. If
the Niners lose, they've been blown out by Buffalo, They've
been blown out by the Packers. So my take is,
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what the Niners lose tonight by a touchdown at home?
What are we saying tomorrow, Well.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
We're saying probably what's going on with Rock Party? And
are they going to pay Rock Party?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
There is a.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
Contingent of Niners fans that don't believe Kyle Shanahan should
be the head coach. I think that's crazy. Yea, they're
not moving on from Kyle Shannon. If they did, there
would be twenty five teams lining up to get him.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yes, he'd be the Andy Reid getting let go and Phil.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
Absolutely rock Party before the year. I think they believed
his management that they would get sixty to sixty five
million after this year and that he would break the
record for most paid quarterback. I still think they're going
to pay rock Party if he was not mis irrelevant,
if he was a first or second round pick. I
don't even know if you've been having this conversation. The
reality is it's been a season from hell. They've had
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tragedy or Travarius War, Trent Williams. They've had injury with
Debo and McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Again, Kittle, this.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Is not a panic mode in San Francisco. This is
still a roster bill to win. I don't know if
they're a Super Bowl ready yet. They're probably not, but
they're still one of the better teams in.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
The NSCYA Shanahan's let go. Literally, he will be hired
in a day. Sean McVay would.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Other than him, that's probably the most coveted head coach.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
J Max.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So yesterday, at the end of our show, the reports
came out that Belichick and Carolina were getting close it's official.
So Bill Belichick's the coach of Carolina. We both love
college football, so it's another talking point. So I'm you know,
I'm going to talk more college football and I love that.
Fascinating this morning though. Seth Wickersham is a first ballot
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Hall of Fame writer and reporter for ESPN. He has
got a behind the scenes story over the last year
on Belichick. Go read it. Seth Wickersham tremendous and he
talks about you know, Belichick would meet with Matt Patricia.
He would meet with Mike Lombardi, who he just hired
at Carolina. I know Micha a little bit and they
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would meet, go on zoom calls and talk about the
NFL and what's coming open and that, you know, Belichick
kind of got disgusted by the NFL and that nobody
was really interested. Now, he did think the Bears was
the best job opening this year. I agree, I think,
but he didn't think they'd hire him. The New York
Giants job he would take, but he thinks Brian Daviles
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a good coach, so do I and will retain the job.
He would never do the Jets. Jacksonville wasn't happening, So
here we go. The story is fascinating, and my takeaway
on reading this is kind of the same with a
lot more illumination, is that, you know what, when you
keep doors shut on people for twenty years, don't be
surprised that when the doors open, there's not a lot
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of people there with open arms for you. Tom Brady
and Belichick twenty years never went to dinner. Tom Brady's
documentary his then wife Giselle pleading, would you please show
Tom respect? Relationships more than ever matter in the NFL.
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It's not just IQ, it's IQ and EQ. And I
think Belichi clearly preferably would not want the ACC's fourth
best football job, but that's all that was out there.
The NFL is much more collaborative today. It's much more
Sean McVeigh than do your job. It's us, not me.
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Doors were closed. The Athletic also excellent reporting this morning
on why Belichick abandoned hope of landing NFL jobs. One
executive said he burned a lot of bridges. Another said
people would be concerned about the culture he would create
in the building. Again, Belichick leaned in to his terse nature,
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his rigidity, his cutthroat personality, and you're not going to
change the perception because you take a TV job for
a year, smile more, occasionally laugh and make us all
believe it's all rainbows and sunshine. People know what Bill is.
We know what Bill is. Bill knows what Bill is,
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and Caroline is like, we'll roll the dice on it.
So and again, I love college football. I hope it works.
I'm not rooting for it not to work. But again,
if you act a certain way for a long time,
you're gonna meet a lot of the people you burned
on the way down. And there's no job openings. People
are not interested. And let's be honest, the NFL doesn't
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need anybody. Drew Brees retired, Brady retired, Peyton Manning retired.
You know what happened to the ratings? They went up.
This is not a league to toy with. They don't
need TV networks. Now they've got streamers to the long
standing networks. Are they necessary? Thank god, they've all got
ten to eleven year deals starting this year. But the
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league doesn't need anybody. This is not the NBA, where
your ratings hinge on an MJ or a shack. This
is not golf or your economy, your ecosystem largely hinges
on like the Masters or Tiger Woods. That's not what
the NFL is. And Bill was perpetually difficult, perpetually dismissive
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of opinions that didn't align with his. And guess what,
he's going to have a place in Canton. It's a
first ballot decision. He is widely respected as the greatest
defensive coach of all time. But the Patriots are three
and two right now, and at this time last year
they were three and ten with Belichick, three and ten.
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Now three and ten, now three and ten last year
with Belichick. He'll go to Canton, and he deserves it.
But it's a different league. It's a league that waits
for nobody. It's a league that doesn't need anybody. Mahomes
in nine years retires, there'll be another crop of superstar quarterbacks.
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They can certainly do without a great coach. At seventy two,
there were no doors opened. It's not all the NFL's fault.
Bill closed a lot of those doors. Again, the Seth
Wickersham article must read a lot of great intel. Now
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here is something I actually think, and I this is fascinating.
So Mike Lombardi, who is now a media person, has
been hired by Belichick to be his GM. Now, I've
had multiple conversations with athletic directors in the last nine
to twelve months. This is the future of college football
general managers. In fact, I met with the Jen Cone
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at USC. We had a long lunch over this. This
is the future of the sport. And so Belichick sees
that and is hiring Mike Lombardi, an ally, a confidant
for years, to be his GM. And it's a I mean,
it's full NFL. They're not even masquerading that it's college
They're not even trying to fool anybody. This is the NFL.
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And here is Lombardi yesterday talking about his job now
with Belichick in Chapel Hill.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
We're going to build a pro personnel department, and that
pro personnel department really will be the transfer portal. So
that will be what we build there to monitor all
the college teams, whether it's in the ACC, the Big Ten,
the Southeast Conference, or in any conference. Right the new
Pact twelve, so you have to monitor all the players
just like you would in pro football. And then obviously
you'll have a director of college scouting, but that guy
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will be the director of high school scouting and monitor
all the high schools.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Okay, so that is the future. Now, how well will
Belichick do well? It should be noted Indiana a basketball school,
Arizona State and a baseball school at least it was
for years and SMU just made the playoff, so Belichick
can compete. And he also has a personnel guy. So
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I don't think Belichick is the perfect personality fit, but
I think like coaching and personnel, well, he'll be fine. Now, Lombardi,
who I know a little, and Belichick are terse. They're outspoken,
they can be kurt. They're very direct that will rub
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a lot of people on a college campus the wrong way.
They will have no interest going to gala's with the
other coaches in the athletic department. They are pros. They're
going to come in with a certain arrogance and belief
and they don't care about your volleyball program or your
swim program. They don't care. And there's a lot of
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high maintenance and needy coaching and overmatched administrators at the
college level. So I don't think it's going to be
a coaching issue with Bill, he'll be great. I don't
think it's going to be a personnel issue. Mike Lombardi
will do fine. But dealing with donors in this ever
fluid collective in Il. Here's the thing Bill loves. Structure.
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College football doesn't have any. It used to have some,
now it's got very little. So what Bill's doing, if
you watch this move with Lombardi, he's bringing in structure.
We're gonna run a pro football operation. And again it's
gonna rub a lot of people the wrong way. The
personality with Lombardi and Belichick, that's gonna be interesting. The
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football and the players. The collective by North Carolina reportedly
is going from four million, which is laughable, to eighteen
to twenty million, so they'll get players. But I'm rooting
for it. I love the sport. It's another talking point.
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But there will be clashes. I think it will start.
It'll be fun and it's the headlines. It's powder blue.
It's gonna look nice and there will be there will
be feathers ruffled on that campus. And I can't wait,
and I'll and I'll listen. I have a graphic. Here's
North Carolina's schedule next year, and again they've got players
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Mac Brown could recruit. I mean their road games are
cal and Wake Forest and Charlotte and Syracuse. You know,
we're not talking the AFC West or the NFC North.
They're home games Stanford, Duke, Virginia like an academic all
star roster, Richmond, Clemson. So there's no reason why Bill
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Belichick could not peel off at ten and one. I
would not be surprised by that at all. If they
can get quarterback just solid. I don't worry at all
about the coaching of the personnel. They're ramping up the club.
That's not it, and I think for a year you'll
look at it and go, oh, it is hommon. But
we got pictures here Bill and Chapel Hill. Listen, he's
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got a new girlfriend. It's younger, he's exciting, excited. It's
a college campus. It could you know, maybe he is
going to be turning a new leave. It's gregarious and joyful, Bill.
But the football coaching's fine. The personality fit with Lombardi
is gonna be really interesting. It's like Charlie Weiss at
Notre Dame. Charlie Weiss. The schemes were fine. He wore
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everybody out, you know, Charlie wore people out. The schemes
were smart. That wasn't the issue.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I love I love doing this job. It's so much fun.
All I thought about last night is Nick Wright said
it to me yesterday. Can you imagine Bill Belichick and
the Pop Tart Bowl? It will look different.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
He's going on. You saw that schedule right there. Come on,
they could go to ten or eleven wins.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
By the way, you mentioned a it's gonna be rocky.
There's gonna be problems. You know who else had some
problems and some rocky stuff happened. Deon Sanders, Yeah, he had.
I'm looking here. Three years of coaching at Jackson State.
That's it. He goes to Colorado. They start hot, finished
four and eight. Oh, Gianni can't hang and gonna get
blasted nine and through.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
This year now, So let's be fair. If Carolina is
bumpy to start, and I don't think they will be.
The schedule is easy, the conference is bad, and Bill's.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Their depends with the portal. They got to get a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But again, Bill will be able to win without great talent.
He spent a lot of his dynasty in New England,
having the second third best roster in the AFC. Bill's
won with less talent. So again, this is it's not
a terrible fit. From there, he will not have as
much talent if he goes into a playoff as Texas, Oregon, Georgia,
He's not going to have that, And I think we
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all have to be fair. I have to be fair.
I'm rooting for it, not against it. I have. I
don't think it's a great fit. I think this is
a nobody is interested in the NFL. I think is ideal.
I think Bill would rather be coaching the Chicago Bears
next year and the and the New York Giants next year.
What evidence is there that Seth withck Wickersham's article is that, Well,
I'm seth Wickersham. I trust he is great. So his
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articles basically Bill wanted NFL jobs, but they weren't interested
in him, and he got disgusted by the league. And
my take is the league is fine.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
You don't think he's disgusted like Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles,
who haven't done Jack squat, they're the one saying I
don't know about Belichick. I would be disgusted too, wouldn't you.
I mean, that's lif I think the Atlanta Falcons were like,
I don't know about this Belichick guy. The Atlanta Falcons
who have never won anything. Those guys in the front
office look at their record. They haven't done anything well.
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And Belichick is the most accomplished coach in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You're not contextualizing it. He wants total control and his
personnel decisions are awful. They remember the end. It's remember
Bobby Knight as the aged wouldn't recruit. So if you
hire Bobby Knight, oh, he's the most accomplished coach. When
he leaves, you have no players. They have no players
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in New England. So when you hire Lane Kiffen, you
may not love his personality, but if he leaves, you
are left with a stack roster. If Sark doesn't work Texas,
you're left with a stacked roster. When Bobby Knight left
school done in Texas, they have no players. As he
wanted to give the job to his son because he
refused to do things that you have to do. It's
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a young man's game. So when you hire these legends,
be very careful. College athletic is a young man's game.
I always said this, if you're gonna roll the dice
on a coach, get a young, great recruiter. Oklahoma did
this years ago. They hired a guy, I think it
was John Blake, and John didn't work as a coach,
but he was a tremendous recruiter. Year two, Bob Stoopswindinnati
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with tons of NFL guys. You hire older coaches who
aren't gonna play any games. If it doesn't work, it's
a three year rebuild to get players because they're not
gonna outbid Georgia Florida State SEC schools for players.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Well, I would largely agree with that, but this whole
like doesn't recruit thing. The game has changed. It's no
less about recruiting. I had a guy on my podcast,
former quarterback Arizona State, who said, listen, there's offensive lineman
out there who are like, Oh, this team wants me,
this team wants me. I don't even know where these
schools are on a map, but they're offering five hundred
thousand dollars. I'm going there, like that's where we are.
And it's less about recruiting, more about show me the money, show.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Me the remember most schools have like the big schools
have sixteen to eighteen million, the quarterback increasing at least
taking four to five. So you don't just have the
ability to buy a roster. You have to recruit at
least sixty to seventy percent of your roster has to
be high schoolers. The other thing is Brian Kelly, who
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is a better college coach today than Bill Belichick has
proven to be. He's a better college coach. He's finding out.
When you go buy a roster, your chemistry's brutal. You
got to buy the right guy. Well again, there is
no perfect guy for the perfect program. Lincoln Riley's finding
out and Brian Kelly successful college coaches, this is what
they do. You can't just buy a roster. You can't.
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You have to have foundational high school connections.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
How's this better shot at the playoff next year, Lincoln
Riley or Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, Belichick is in a much easier conference. I mean
the ACC is Clemson and nonsense. I mean, that's time.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
I'm in Vegas. I'll see what the odds are on
Belichick making it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Look at look at look at Carolina's schedule.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I don't even know Carolina's roster now, and I can
tell you that's that's ten wins.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Right there at Syracuse and home against Clemson are tough games. Okay,
that's it.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
ACC Football's back, baby, Well, I'll watch it. You made
a Raco Sports References. That's so classical.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'm watching it. I'm not rooming against him. We want
more topics like Caitlin Clark saved us in August? Are
you kidding me?
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Rates none of the Bowl. As Belichick was signing that
deal with Carolina, it made me actually think of Andy Reid,
who has aged very very well, and I don't think
he's going to end his career with a job in
the ACC. Andy Reid, as you recall, got fired in
Philadelphia and had a job four days later in Kansas City,
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and there were multiple NFL suitors. Andy Reid's coaching tree
is much superior to Belichick's. He's been to a super
Bowl in both conferences. He's won with multiple quarterbacks, and styles.
The league's been trending in his direction finally for years.
And here's what's amazing. How undervalued Andy Reid is. Andy
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Reid only needs six more playoff wins. That's it to
surpass Belichick. I bet you didn't know that. That's how
good he is. Belichick had a twenty year run. Is
Andy had Mahomes five Andy by the way five and
one in the regular season as a Chiefs coach against Belichick.
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But if Mahomes and Andy Reid stay together just two
to three more seasons, he will surpass Belichick in all
time wins and all time playoff wins, I would imagine.
And so I think Belichick looks at that, and I'm
not sure he thinks he's gonna have some Don Shuler
record for long anyway. And I've said this is that
(18:31):
I think one of the reasons I call Bill Parcells
the greatest, one of the greatest coaches of all time,
Bill one with multiple quarterbacks, Bill one immediately with multiple
owners overnight, like he walked into dumpster fires and the
next year they were good. Urban Myers done this in college.
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Parcells does this in the NFL. And this is not
a shot at Belichick, but Belichick five years in Cleveland
for losing seasons, the year in New England pre Brady
losing season, the two years after Brady left losing seasons.
Belichick never won without Parcels or Brady. Andy wins with everybody.
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And I mean so, I mean Andy Reid was getting
to conference championships in the NFC when other teams were stacked,
and he was doing it with B and B plus quarterbacks.
So Andy Reid's career is not beholden to one coach
or one player. And I've said this before. If the
NFL would have been fourth right and honest about CTE
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concerns twenty years ago and written a check and made
the league safe for twenty years ago to the level
it's safe now, then Andy Reid would be Belichick. Belichick
was very fortunate that he got a great generational quarterback
pretty early in his career and Andy had to wait
twenty years. That is not to say that Belichick isn't
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right now viewed the greatest all time coach. He deserves
all the roses for that, but it is interesting when
he got this job, I thought, a it's remarkable how
few years Andy Reid needs to keep winning to surpass him.
That's how great he's been. He just got his generational quarterback.
(20:19):
So Nick right earlier this week on Belichick leaving the
NFL for college and Andy Reid potentially passing him on
that wins list.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Even if you go get that record, are you just
holding it for a year for Andy Reid? And I
know people like on Nick, your chief's guy. Here are
the numbers. He's going to end this season right around
three hundred. If he's at two ninety six right now,
he'll be forty seven away from Shula himself. That means
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three great years or four mediocre years. So how important
is that all time coaching record if you actually only
hold it for twelve months before Andy Reid comes blows
past you.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think there's real legitimacy. I think Seth Wickersham pointed
out in the article. But I think Nick makes a
great point is if Andy's health holds up, cross your
fingers there, and he's gonna end up the all time
winning as coach. And he's one with a multitude of
C B and A plus quarterbacks in both conferences. And
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it's why it's so easy for me to root for
Kansas City as they dominate the league. I never rooted
against New England. I thought they were smarter than everybody.
I think I feel the same way about Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
All right, So we've been tracking this Eagles drama all
the week. Jalen hurts first A J. Brown courtesy of
Brandon Graham's comments on our radio Stow Show It in Philly.
Well Hertz and Brown both addressed the situation yesterday. They
claim everything's good.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Me and Jaylen are good.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So this BG gouts you say, everybody loves BG.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
They perceived what I said about passing and felt like
it was an attack on Jaalen, and I think that's
what he did.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know, man, Jalen relationship is personal.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
He knows I had a lot of love for him,
just like I got a lot of love for all
these guys. And ultimately, you know, he's a guy that
he's a guy that's a competitor. You know, he wants
to win, He down show, wants the ball, and he
wants he wants to make an impact in the game.
And I respect that, you know, And it's just like
all of us.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, it used to be that if you won, that
would pretty much be the end of it. But you know,
I get it. Receivers want theirs. I understand you're out
on the perimeter. You sometimes feel disconnected from the unit
first out of the huddle, So I get it. But
I will say the Eagle staff off of bye told
you what they believe. The offense is about twenty past
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of ten, heavy doses of Saquon Barclay running and a
handful half dozen shots down the field to AJ Brown.
That's what the staff told you in the bye week,
because in the bye week you self scout. So in
bye weeks in the NFL, what a teams do well
they get healthy, No they don't. The coaches self scout
how would we beat us? And what the Eagles found
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is when we asked Jalen to throw thirty two times,
we make mistakes, often giving teams our opponents easier better
field position. So Philadelphia is self scouted and said, when
we throw eighteen to twenty times, nobody is beating us
because we eliminate the mistakes.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Listen, I know there's going to sound defensive of Hurts,
but he is on his third offensive coordinator. I believe
in three years right Stike in the disaster last year
and now Kellen Moore. So yeah, there were some hiccups early.
He had some bad turnovers. That Saints game. I remember
betting the Eagles of that one, and Hurts.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Was a busb Mark Sanjez showed us yesterday. AJ Brown's
open like by a lot, and he doesn't get the ball.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Toveray and then number say, when you get ball to
a J.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Brown, they win, they win.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
If he's out of the lineup, they ain't win it.
So this has to be fixed.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
There's still a lot of acrimony. Remember I lived outside
of Philadelphia. Yeah, I still talk to a bunch of buddies.
They're not universally on board with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's weird.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
They don't think he's awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Well, and I'm just like, he's not Matt Stafford from
the pocket. He's not no, no, no, not in that class.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
But his legs make him, I believe one of the
top five six quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
In the league. I'd go closer to eight nine. But yeah,
I think he's a very dangerous player when he get.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
To watch this week, So he wins with his legs
a lot. Well, you know who faces Labar Jackson twice
a year is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're not gonna be
surprised by Jalen Hurts stuff. So this is a This
is a big game I think for Hurts. Yeah, I
think we'll talk about that more a little more tomorrow.
Next up, Colin is the lucky Kansas City Chiefs, luckiest
team in the NFL. You love when I say that,
(24:55):
But how about this Casey is set to play three
games over the next eleven days, and Patrick Mahomes he's
not thrilled about that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's not like a good feeling. I mean, not that
I'm excited to play on Christmas to hopefully get back
from what we did last year. But you never want
to play this many amount of games in this short
of time. It's just not great for your body. But
at the end of the day, it's your job, your profession.
Need to come to work and do it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah. This before the season started, I think we both
discussed this. This is kind of a ridiculous schedule for
Kansas City based on the fact they have Mahomes And
this is the downside to being the Cowboys. Or the
Chiefs or the Patriots in their dynasty. And I don't
like when the league does this. Is that Aaron Rodgers
first five or six games this year with the Jets,
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it's Sunday, it's Monday, it's Thursday. I don't love you
get punished in the NFL for being scintillating. So this
is I don't think this is fair. I don't like it.
I think players get more injured when they're fatigued. And
this is a really really rough slate for Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Well, let's listen Christmas Day. Obviously, last year the success
of the NFL on Christmas was huge, so they wanted
to crowbar another game. The problem is Christmas is on
a Wednesday. You're making guys play on a Wednesday. Column.
So this week they play Sunday, then it's Saturday against
the Texans, then it's Christmas Day Wednesday against the Steelers.
Remember that stat. I think we unearthed it in the preseason.
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The Chiefs are the team in the league that I
believe plays on every day of the weekend except Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Tuesday, Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
That's not right.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Come on, they're kind of shafting for people for years
and years when Eli Manning was playing for the Giants,
they were always complaining were on Sunday night all the time.
It ruins. You know, coaches love structure and consistency, and
by the way, players love that. Like Stafford has a
way of doing business. So you know this is I
got nothing against Netflix. They'll do a great job. And
(26:52):
the Amazon schedule tonight again great. I think the more
the merry or I think it benefits all of us,
the rising tide for all the networks, but it is
it is tough on the dominant, more scintillating teams that
are forced to play uneven schedules.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
So I'm looking at the injury report and this is
worth monitoring this DJ Humphries remember they picked him U Yeah,
he's gonna be a savior at left tackle.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
He got hurt.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
I think it was fourth quarter and he's not practicing
it this week. We'll see today. But that's not great
against Miles Garrett of the Browns, followed by the Texans
have a pretty good pass rush with the young kid
at Alabama, and then the Steelers have what So if
the Chiefs aren't healthy, I'm not saying three game losing streak,
what are they going in these three games, Color.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
If you can go. You know what I think, if
you go two and one and are healthy, you take
it today. Just you're going to keep the number one seed.
I think you're really thinking about health. Like Noah Gray,
We're gonna lean on you in that second game, Travis,
the first and third game in eleven days. The second game, Noah,
you're gonna get seventy percent of the snaps. I think
that's what you have to.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Do, Okay, I smell of one and two.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
We'll see final story.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Colin. So the NBA last night an NBA Cup game
between the Warriors and Rockets, and if you if you're
watching here on FS one, there's a scramble for the
ball and with seconds left in the game, they call
a loose ball foul on Jonathan Kleming. That's insane and
Steve Kerr lost his mind. Steve Kerr went ballistic. Here
he is after the game.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
You've established you're just not gonna call anything throughout the game.
It's physical game. I'm going to call it a loose
ball foul on a jump ball situation with guys diving
on the floor with the game on the line.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
This is a.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Billion dollar industry.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, people's jobs on the line.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
I'm pissed off. I wanted to go to Las Vegas.
We wanted to win this Cup. We aren't going because
of a loose ball foul eighty feet from the basket
with the game on the line. I've never seen anything
like it in my life, and that was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Thank you for the record. I'm not a fan of
complaining about officiating. That was a horrendous call. You do
not call the ever a loose that's a jump ball.
You don't call that in that moment. That's just not
that is not all legitimate. And the NBA has got
a lot of young refs and they've had a rough
couple of years. I was just talking to a friend
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of mine, Ryan Rosseillo, the other day about this. He's
been on the forefront of those discussions. That's it's just
a bad call that you got to it's a jump ball. Yeah,
if you know what it's like calling, it would be going.
And let's say it's not analogous perfectly, but a big
divisional rival NFL game tonight, Rams play the forty nine
ers and it's a you know, it's seven, it's twenty
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seven to twenty seven and it's a jump ball and
a lot of contact in the end zone, both receiver
and corner, throwing a flag on the last play and
giving the team a walk off field goal. If there's
all sorts of contact, you don't unless it's an agreed
just pushed by the receiver or the corner. You step away.
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They're both handsy and you go to ot. That's a
decision by ref that decides an outcome. Yeah, I mean,
you play enough hoops now you would never get on
the ball round for a loose ball.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
But we lost a championship game like four weeks ago
on a loose ball with ten seconds left. The guy
made the free throws.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
We lost.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
But the Rockets are they're interesting. And you see the
score of this game, Colin. It ended up ninety one
to ninety. Okay, for all Leay's talk about the NBA
and three pointers in offense and no defense, this NBA
Cup game they were locked down. This was a physical,
tough game, felt like an NBA Finals game. I know
people are down on the NBA. Whatever, I don't really care.
(30:33):
I think this was I thought this was great theater
and this Rockets team is super interesting. Keep an eye
on the Warriors slip sliding down the standings. There not
looking good for Golden State Homs.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
They're not a championship team. Jmackl the news.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter. They're not a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, ucky to have them on. Jordan Schultz, NFL Insider,
on Speak after our show today and after First Things first,
So let's start with this. You were on the forefront
of this story. Belichick to Carolina, I saw Seth Wickersham today,
said he thought the Jets was the best job and
he was interested in Jacksonville. Non starter with the Jets.
(31:16):
I'm not sure who wants that job. But are you
surprised he took a twenty third best college football job
in the country.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
I was surprised originally Colin when he took the interview,
but then it became less surprising as his I would say,
appetite from NFL teams was not what he thought it
would be. I don't believe that Belichick assumed going into
this cycle that he wouldn't have the pick of his litter. Now,
last year, the only team that showed tangible interests was
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the Atlanta Falcons. They got pretty far down the line.
Arthur Blank liked him, but ultimately Bill was never willing
to really cease control. Even though he told Atlanta, I'm
okay giving some of the personnel to someone else else.
I don't really believe in. NFL teams don't believe that
he was willing to go down that route. So as
the market started to materialize or lack thereof, it became
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clear to Bill that I need to take the most
secure position I can right now bring my staff, whether
it's Michael Lombardi, maybe it's Matt Patricia, Joe Judge. Because
NFL teams weren't going for that. They didn't want to
bring in Matt Patricia, they didn't want to bring in
Josh McDaniels. So, all due respect to Bill, the greatest
coach of all time at seventy two seventy three years old,
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the market was simply not what he thought it would be.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, it's interesting because that to me means Mike Vrabel, Yep,
there you go is the number one choice for Chicago
and the Jets and Jacksonville. My question is are those
jobs good enough for Vrabel?
Speaker 8 (32:52):
So I think Bill was right when he thought that
Jacksonville could be a good job because the owner would
allow you a lot of control. I don't believe they're
going to move on from Trent Balk the GM. I
think they're going to keep him.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's problematic for me.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
That's a big problem, and a lot of teams don't
understand that. But Trent has buddied up in a way
that is commendable to Tony Kahn and Shag Coh. He's
indispensable to them. I don't think he's gonna get fired.
Doug Peterson will not be there after the year. Chicago's
a great job, and I think Bill identified that as a.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Really uptick, really good roster.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
It is.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
However, Bill was never going to have the type of
control there that he wanted. And I think it's very
clear among league circles that Chicago, at least right now
looks at the offensive side of the ball. Maybe it's
a Ben Johnson, someone of that caliber. As we need
to address the Caleb Williams dilemma we've had this year,
which is we haven't been able to develop him the
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right way. So your point about Vrabel. Chicago's a great job.
New York's the Giants are a great job. But if
you don't win there, you get worn down. And we
saw it even with the Jets. You know, all due
respect to Robert Sala, I don't think he's a bad
football coach, sure, but he got.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Worn down by the New York media blitz.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
And Woody Johnson was a non starter to your point
with Bill, So listen, there's going to be six seven
eight jobs there always are.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Rabel's the top choice.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Rabel is absolutely the top or I think Ben Johnson.
Those are the two guys that teams are looking at.
One's an offensive wonder kin, another's an established defensive players.
First guy that took the Tennessee Titans to back to
back NFCC.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And that was a dysfunctional organization when he was there.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Absolutely absolutely, And I think the other one that's interesting
and is the Raiders, So you know the Raiders College.
I'm actually curious for you, is that a good job
in your in your mind?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, first of all, in a division with Andy Reid, Harbon,
Sean Payton, Antonio Pierce and I know him and I
like him, feels a little overwhelmed that is the best
coaching division. I mean, you're you're making an argument. Now
you have three first ballot Hall of Fame coaches. Antonio
Pierce has never been a head coach. I don't think
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it was a winning proposition. I mean, does it id
like to you going into a season Antonio Pearson, Gardner,
Minshew against Harbon, Herbert and Mahomes and Reid. I think
it's a very interesting job. They have a left tackle,
a superstar tight end, an all world pass rusher. They
to me are an offensive coach and a quarterback away
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from being interesting. But even if they get it right,
the division is a Hall of Fame Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
That's a great point, I would say. Mark Davis earlier
this week in Dallas said that he likes how hard
the guys are still playing. Yes, so's that's a good thing. Yes,
and I think we both like Antonio Pierce. The bigger
question is is Mark Davis going to want to pay
three different head coaches who are no longer in the building.
I talked to a GM last night about this. No
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one else gonna come on, what's the situation in Vegas?
And he said that means he would if he fires ap.
He's paying Pierce, McDaniels, and Gruden, and none of them
are in the building. So then you have the Tom
Brady element. Now Brady is obviously a minority owner, but
he's gonna give a validity and a cachet of prosceeds
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to that organization, and I think Mark Davis will listen
to him. So then we have our Fox friend Tom Brady,
you have Mike Frabel. They're former teammates. I don't know
whether or not the Raiders are going to move on
from Pierce. It's a really good job. If you're success,
if you're built to withstand those three coaches in that division,
if you can win there, that's an organization that is.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
So if I was the Raiders, I would absolutely offer
Rabel the job. But if I was Vrabel, I wouldn't
take it. See that's the way. If I was Chicago,
i'd offer Vrabel the job. If I'm Vrabel, I'm not
sure i'd take it. But I speak with Mike Rabel
and I will tell you that what matters to him,
and I don't want to get too much into the details,
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is roster composition. And I think it's reasonable to say
that Belichick and Rabel bo C. Chicago is a very
good roster right now.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
I would totally agree.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Okay, Philadelphia, AJ Brown, Jalen Hurts, brandon Ingram is it
tense or overblown?
Speaker 8 (37:05):
It's overblown because this is pro sports, you know. I
think there's a misconception among fans calling that all these
guys hang out, they're all friends. This is not the case,
especially in a locker room with fifty three guys, fifty
three egos. We had talked five or six weeks ago
that it was too early to panic in Philly, and
they've now become the hottest team in the league. I
think at some point down the season, down the stretch
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that Hurts is going to have a big play, a
couple big plays to AJ Brown. It's just it's gonna happen,
and they're gonna dab each other up, and everything's gonna
be copa setic and we're gonna laugh at this moment saying, oh,
they're beefing. AJ Brown wants the football. This is what happens,
and winning does solve everything. But we're not at the
point in the season where it's panic mode for anybody.
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If you're wing like the Eagles are just fine. They
are in the exact position they want to be in.
They have the offensive coordinator. To what j Max said earlier,
earlier in the segment, earlier in the in the day,
I don't think this is an issue at all.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Okay, tonight, If San Francisco loses now, I wrote their
obituary three weeks ago. If San Francisco loses tonight, it
feels like to me, it is a reboot. It is
time to move multiple pieces. Do they view it that way?
Speaker 8 (38:24):
And are you putting Kyle on that?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Because no, no, No, Kyle's safe. Kyle's fine. I think Lynch
is fine. I think it's a well run organization. They've
had draft misses. I don't love. That's life in the NFL.
But I think it's much more. I mean, if the
Rams lose, we're gonna say they're almost this close. If
the Niners lose, they've been blown out by Buffalo, They've
been blown out by the Packers. So my take is,
(38:49):
what the Niners lose tonight by a touchdown at home?
What are we saying tomorrow, Well.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
We're saying probably what's going on with Rock Party? And
are they going to pay Rock Party?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
There is a.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
Contingent of Niners fans that don't believe Kyle Shanahan should
be the head coach. I think that's crazy. Yea, they're
not moving on from Kyle Shannon. If they did, there
would be twenty five teams lining up to get him.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yes, he'd be the Andy Reid getting let go and Phil.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
Absolutely rock Party before the year. I think they believed
his management that they would get sixty to sixty five
million after this year and that he would break the
record for most paid quarterback. I still think they're going
to pay rock Party if he was not mis irrelevant,
if he was a first or second round pick. I
don't even know if you've been having this conversation. The
reality is it's been a season from hell. They've had
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tragedy or Travarius War, Trent Williams. They've had injury with
Debo and McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Again, Kittle, this.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Is not a panic mode in San Francisco. This is
still a roster bill to win. I don't know if
they're a Super Bowl ready yet. They're probably not, but
they're still one of the better teams in.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
The NSCYA Shanahan's let go. Literally, he will be hired
in a day. Sean McVay would.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Other than him, that's probably the most coveted head coach.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Great stuffed Jordan Schultz delivering a Greg co sell Our
two and a Thursday next
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