December 16, 2024 • 52 mins
John Middlekauff is back reacting to another electric NFL Sunday capped by Jordan Love, Matt Lafleur and the Green Bay Packers dominating the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday Night Football. John talks about how the Seattle Seahawks QB Geno Smith’s injury could impact the NFC West contenders moving forward throughout the year. Next, Middlekauff salutes the Green Bay Packers, Jordan Love and their potent offense as Green Bay dictated the terms of the entire game through a dominant first half. After, John waxes poetic about Packers QB Jordan Love and explains why the stud signal caller’s raw talent makes him a “Stan” for one of the most exciting offensive players this season, and why the Packers front office acumen is one of the most impressive marks of consistency in the NFL. After, John recaps action from around the NFL including Jerry Jones, Mike McCarthy and the Dallas Cowboys winning 30-14 against Bryce Young and the young Carolina Panthers, and wonders if Dallas could end up having to trade star pass rusher Micah Parsons to bolster the roster’s talent gap in the long-term. Then, John goes around the horn of the League and sounds off on player injuries, Jerod Mayo and the New England Patriots, Dan Campbell and the Detroit Lions injury-riddled roster, Kirk Cousins and the flopping Atlanta Falcons, and the aftermath of a brutal San Francisco 49ers loss. After, John reacts to a rash of injuries across the NFL including the Pittsburgh Steelers’ star TJ Watt, Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes, the Detroit Lions down to 3rd stringers and more.
2:40 - SNF: Packers at Seahawks reaction
24:36 - What can the Cowboys get for Micah parsons?
30:56 - Tua's reckless play needs to change for his health
37:18 - Is Patriots head coach, Jerod Mayo, on the hot seat?
39:53 - Bills at Lions reaction
46:50 - 49ers GM, John Lynch, threw De'Vondre Campbell off the sideline
49:51 - Notable NFL injuries reaction
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on? Everybody? How are we doing?
Probably not as good as Gino's need. It looked like
it hurt and he left the game. In the Seattle
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Seahawks season felt like it ended. The Green Bay Packers
Jordan Love, Jeff Hafley, Lafleur looked like they're headed back
to the playoffs. Actually, I mean, hell, they might have
officially clinched tonight. I'm not sure if they did. I
think the Vikings did. Actually, let's see did the Packers
And the Packers haven't officially yet, but they're ten and four.
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They okay, they're head to do about twelve wins. Another
great season. A lot going on today. We will talk
about Sunday night game. Some I go on with Colin
every Sunday. So we covered a lot of stuff. But
I'll cover Mike McCarthy. Something I saw with Tua something,
John Lynch storm down to the sideline on Thursday. Drawd
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Mayo in Arizona against the Cardinals. Got worked. It's his
job in trouble. A ton of injuries today. TJ. Mahomes
certain the Lions had more guys dropping like flies. I mean,
I don't think it's inconceivable. We see Carson Wentz this Saturday.
Who knows. I got a theory of maybe what they
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might try to do if Mahomes is semi questionable and
be able to play next Wednesday, but might not be
able to play Saturday. But I guess we'll learn more
with all these guys over the next By the time
you're listening to this, some of these, you know, MRIs
and news could break. But we'll talk a little football.
Other than that, we'll have podcasts out. You know, we'll
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no college football. Maybe I'll maybe I'll have Jackson on
Tuesday talk a little college football and off Stucky on
Thursday to go over the betting for college football. And
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the podcast that I thought was was just something that
was interesting because I sometimes don't look at it this
way because we always talk when there's a transaction, right
when a player leaves a team and goes to a
new team, when a coach leaves a team and goes
to a new team. How is that coach or player
doing for their new team? What is going on? Is
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he having success? Is he not having success? All these
guys that are about to get jobs in the NFL,
how will Ben Johnson do as coach of X? How
will Mike vrabel do as coach of X? And Stucky's like, well,
look at when Mike McDonald left the Baltimore Ravens. What
happened to the Baltimore Ravens defense. It was statistically one
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of the great defenses of all time last year and
this year, minus the Giants game, it's been mainly atrocious
with the same players, same thing. With a guy like
Aaron Rodgers gets traded to the Jets, I'm guilty of this.
I went the Packers are screwed. There is no way
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Jordan Love is gonna be good. When does that ever happen?
Farv Rogers Love. It's like, the only time I can
think of anything even remotely close was like Montana Young Garcia,
and obviously Jordan Love will get into him in a minute.
I think it's a stud. And the Packers now have
ten wins. Last year they have nine. They won a
playoff game last year. They are going to be a
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very very feisty team come to the playoffs this year.
They're a real deal. They haven't flinched at all. I
mean so separate from Rogers up and down situation, his injury,
his up and down play, like they don't even think
about him. Right where the Ravens would do anything to
have Mike McDonald back. Look at who Mike McDonald replaced
in Seattle. They have basically been the same team, give
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or take, for like the last six or seven years,
win eight, nine, ten games, and when they essentially fired
Pete Carroll last year, it's like it's gonna be hard
to replace a guy like Pete Carroll won a four
guys super Bowl National championship. Obviously as a high level coach,
they're no different. And it's not like, listen, I think
Mike's good, smart move. It was the right move, but
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I think you saw tonight it's like, you know, Gino's
kind of just a guy. I would want to play
Gino in a big game, and I stand by that.
But watching that game once Gino hurt his knee and
them throw in Sam Howe, it really brought to light
the Gino's pretty good and that offensive line is atrocious
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and one underrated aspect to Gino is he can move around, right.
We see it with Jordan Love. A lot of Jordan
Love's game is a lot like Aaron Rodgers. He can,
you know, when he was younger, can move around and
make plays. Sam Howe like the smaller guy who can't
really move and was just getting destroyed play after play
after play. And then when he actually made a throw
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down the field felt like it went right through Sea
Green Bay defenders hands half the time, and some of
them were caught. It was like Jesus kind of brings
the light. Like Gino's pretty important, and I've been a
big believer that, Like, you know, it's time Seattle cash
in your chips, make a huge trade. Go get your Mahomes,
Go trade up to try to get your Josh Allen.
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Now it's easier said than done. Who is Mahomes and
Josh Allen in this draft? But just do something aggressive.
I thought they should have attempted something like that last year.
Go up and get Michael Pennix. Hell, you just hired
his offensive coordinator this year. Now they haven't done it
because your guy stinks and you watched him like, eh,
actually he's not bad. Kind of understand why you like him,
because he could just keep you around eight nine, ten wins.
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And as we watched anyone that watched football this morning,
you know, for me it was eleven am kickoff. A
lot of shitty team games from the Jags to the
Giants to the Dolphin, just a lot of bad football,
a lot of bad football teams. And you go, as
long as we got Geno and some of the talent
with John Sneyder or Mike McDonald, we will be competitive
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and we will have a chance in the playoffs. And
I would imagine thirty five to forty percent of the
leagueould sign up for that yesterday, for twenty twenty five,
and that's the position that the you know that Seattle
will be in. But it was very evident tonight because
now listen, they were getting their askicked. Green Bay showed
up to win. Green Bay was really impressive now rightfully,
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so they had little extra buy and they came in swinging. Hell.
I was recording with Coward and by the time I
got out to the living room seven eight minutes, you know,
into the first quarter, they were already up fourteen to nothing,
and I had to look you know at halftime, like
what happened obviously, first first drive touchdown, force a punt,
next drive touchdown, It's like bang, bang boom. You're a
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fourteen to nothing on the road, and the game, in
a weird way, was kind of decided from that point
because they dictated the terms of the rest of the game.
They dominated the first half. I mean dominated the first
half right up seventeen to three, but it felt like
thirty to three in the second half. The moment Gino
was hurt. If Josh Jacobs doesn't fumble the ball, that
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is not a game. Because and listen, I thought Seattle
was good in the second half. They could do anything.
In the first half. Defensively they were getting smoke left
and right, and in the second half, Leonard Williams feels
like one of the more underappreciated players in the NFL.
That guy is a stud. That guy, that guy could
play for my team any day of the week. And
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their defense was just much more physical, stopping the run,
hitting guys, forcing the fumble. But offensively they had nothing.
And you know, that fumble led to a Charbonna big
run was a big moment in the game. But other
than that, like Seattle had no chance and to go
on the road like that, Green Bay. And listen, I'm
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a Jordan love Stan. I think that's what the kids say, right,
I'm a sucker for talent and the arm the movement. Now, listen,
fundamental is great. No throws on his back foot a lot,
but throws absolute bebies and when he's on his touchdown
passes are as beautiful as they get. That's what I
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want my quarterback to look like. Movement, scramble ability, sit
in the pocket and throw a seed twenty to thirty
yards down the field. Obviously Green Bay and this gets
back to the Rogers thing when he had a big
issue with Gutikins. It's like this situation where they're at
is really a testament to the organization how well they
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build teams. Like all those young wide receivers. I mean
they traded DeVante Adams and Aaron Rodgers in a twelve
month span and two years later are probably gonna win
twelve games. And you watch like, how many teams the
league with a young offensive roster would you take over theirs?
It has to be on a short list, right, but
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their general manager and sometimes you got to make let's
face it. Their organization, at least in the last twenty years,
is defined by making quote unquote controversial picks at quarterback.
They did it with Rogers when they drafted him twenty
fourth and they had Brett Farv And they did it
again with Aaron Rodgers when they took Jordan Love, who
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I think was picked twenty seven, either twenty seven or
twenty nine, but one of those two picks, and everyone freaked.
And I'm sure you know I was in college with Rogers,
but this one I thought was crazy too. And several
years later it was one hundred percent the right move.
And now the Packers are in a position because they
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also fired Mike McCarthy, who will get into in a second.
It's really good coach who knows what he's doing, and
hired a guy who's excellent. And obviously Lafour was a
part of the Jordan Love pick as well, because you're
not going to draft a quarterback with an offensive coach
without having him on board and the development and the coaching. Like,
to me, Jordan Love is everything I want in a
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quarterback prospect, especially when he's a raw project, right from
the size, from the arm strength, from the movement ability,
like you don't need to be Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray. Right,
but in this modern day NFL, and you saw it
today with the Lions, and listen, Jared Goff was awesome.
I think he threw well over four hundred yards. I
didn't see his final numbers. I think five touchdowns. I
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think chefter road. He's he threw five picks and lost.
He threw five touchdowns or five picks and one five
touchdowns and lost. But like Rogers, every or loves everything
I'm looking for, and the organization believed in it and
they bet on it, and now they're benefiting from it.
And from an intangible standpoint, we saw him get hurt,
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we saw him battle through injuries, we saw him play injured. Obviously,
by all accounts, he's a super high character, good guy.
You are so lucky to be a backer fan. I mean, seriously,
this has been going on, like no matter what age
group you're in. If you're fifty, it's basically your whole life.
If you're my age, basically your whole life. If you're twenty,
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it's all you know. If you're twenty eight, all you know.
You have to be like sixty to really truly probably
remember like the tough times in the seventies and eighties.
Other than that, like your football life is fucking incredible.
It doesn't get any better. It doesn't In part of
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being an incredible football life doesn't mean you win the
Super Bowl every year. Hell, you guys have won two
and since far have showed up, you've only been to three.
But every single year a little like the Steelers, but
the differences between you and the Steelers, like they're kind
of winning now. Not quite the same as when Big
Ben was in his prime. I mean, you saw Russell
today without pickings. Look the little meh Like, listen, sometimes
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your defense over the last fifteen years has let you down.
No one's ever questioned the quarterback or the offensive prowess.
And now new group just like it always was, Like
you know, Donald Driver got old, then Jordy Nelson got old,
and then Devanta Adams left, and now you got Dobbs,
you got Red, you got Watson. It's like, oh yeah,
wellso ed Josh Jacobs, right, we know you draft good
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offensive lineman and now you have this quarterback who is
what twenty six, twenty seven years old, is just fucking
awesome and listen, he throws some picks. I say this
all the time. With interceptions. I got no problem if
you throw interceptions, as long as you throw a lot
of touchdowns. Far through far through interceptions help Peyton Manner
through interceptions, they threw a lot of touchdowns, and that's
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what this guy does. He's an explosive player down the field.
So I just think your organization even look in your division.
You know, Goodakins has been there forever before that Ted
Thompson had been there forever. Your success always comes with
like high level offensive coaches. In the nineties, it was
home Grin. In most of the late two thousands, twenty tens,
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it was McCarthy and now it's Lafleor, who's gonna be
there for a long time with his quarterback Jordan Love.
And I just think, like you look at your division.
The Lions are having a fantastic season, which is kind
of falling apart because of the injuries. When I say
falling apart, I just mean like big picture, like how
are they going to keep this thing together? But we're
gonna learn over the next couple of years. What's it
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gonna look like when Dan Campbell loses his coordinators. It's
impossible for you to lose your offensive coordinator. The Bears
are a joke, right. The Vikings are having a fun year,
but they got a big quarterback question this offseason. What
do they do? Like? What are your question marks? Seriously, like,
we just need better personnel. Keep drafting defense. I know
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you can build the offense now. Big picture this year,
can they win the NFC? I think they can go
toe to toe with anybody. I mean, clearly, they have
been in a lot big games. Last year they went
toe to toe with the forty nine ers. They easily
could have won that game on the road. Tonight I
thought was a pretty big gut check game on the road.
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Their fans travel exceptionally well. Seattle for the last decade
plus has been one of the better home field advantage
and their chanting gopack go during that game. And how
you supposed to most teams. I say this all the
time when people get ben out of shape about their dbs.
Most teams maybe have one good corner. If you're lucky,
you got two. If you have three good corners meeting
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your nickel as well, like you're you're living a first
class life. So when you have that many wide receivers
who can all do different things, who can all it
feels like run. I mean, Watson can fly even read
on the one that Love that they ended up getting
stuffed on the fourth down, but on the third down
he's wide open there and Love just threw a seat.
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He just slipped. They're good route runners, they're good playmakers.
Your tight ends a stud. He had a sweet catch
today on a classic like Rogers, one of those guy
jumps off sides. I feel like Jordan is a carbon
copy of his movements, his mannerisms, the flick of the
wrist that play when they snap it, same thing Rogers
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would have done, like him sitting for those several years,
which never happens anymore, and rightfully so, if I'm a fan,
if I'm a coach, if I'm an owner, we don't
got three years, and usually we don't have Aaron Rodgers.
So it's just a situation that's very very rare, like
those days are, And honestly, it didn't even happen that
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much way back in the day, like it was unheard
of when Carson Palmer sat for a year in like
two thousand and two behind John Kittna with the Cincinnati Bengals.
But this guy's welcome to the NFL moment, sitting learning
from the floor, learning a complicated offense and then getting
to kind of ease into it in a weird way,
but peak at the right time. And now you watch
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him right now, just like last year, when did he
peak end of the season. When's he playing good football
right now into the season? My only issue them last
week in Green Bay, as they started slow. Once he
got into a rhythm in that second half, it felt
like every single drive they were gonna score, cause like,
what are you gonna do? They could run an out
route get a first down, They could run a go
route and get a touchdown immediately. They can do something
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over the middle of the field and the guy can
break another twenty yards. They could bust an eight twelve
yard run any given play. They can hit the tight
end down the seam at any moment, like they kind
of got it all. And when you get him in
a situation like tonight and they get some rhythm and
moving early in that game, like Jesus, and then they
just you know, the defense half Ley's good hire And
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I think a lot of people made a big deal.
I was thinking about this the other day. This is
what I think about when I'm like in the car
driving around, is everyone made a big deals, Like Halflee
he left Boston College to be a defensive coordinator. Well,
I don't know exactly what Jeff Haffley was making at
Boston College. If I had to guess, let's say he
was making four million dollars. Well, let's say the Green
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Bay Packers call him and say, because half we probably knew,
you know, decent chance I get fired in a year
if we don't win, Well, hey, we'll give you a
three year, ten million dollar contract. So you take a
little haircut. Well, when you factor in the taxes, the
cost of living and everything, the money isn't that much different.
And I'm giving you extension from where you have, and
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I'm putting you in a position where a team's going
to be good. If it goes well, you can then
become an NFL head coach, let alone get a better
college job. So I think everyone freaked out about Jeff
Hafley leaving. It's not like he was taking ten million
and the Packers offered him two million. That's not what
happened financially, My educated guess, probably not a big difference
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if there is one at all when you factor in everything.
And honestly, it wouldn't shock me if he makes the
exact same that he made of Boston College. But that's
a good hire. And he got a lot of shit
last year because he kept Joe Barry around. And that's
the hard part about football. Just like any company, when
you hire a friend and you're the boss and it's
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not working out now, it's no different, you know. I
I have a lot of friends that own small businesses
that have like or had partners where you have to
break up. It's tough. These aren't easy situations, but most
of those in our society aren't public. Besides, like your
close friends, the people you work with in your family,
you don't really know about it, right, We're in an
NFL team, like everyone kind of knows about it, so
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it's under a magnify last year, Sirianni, one of the
coaches he fired when the Eagles fired a bunch of
their staff, was the best man at his wedding. I mean,
you get these jobs, you bring on your friends or
people that you believe in or close with. Like, I
don't blame you. I would do that too. You need
people you can trust. It's why it took Sean McVeigh
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so many years to name Chris Shula, who's not some
random who's been coaching for a long time in the NFL,
whose dad was a coach and grampa was Don Shula
to name him the coach, because he's like, listen, we're
we've known each other, we played college football together, and
I don't want this to be weird, and if it
goes wrong, like ultimately, I would have to fire you.
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And you can be put in a weird situation really
really fast. And it's working. He fired his buddy Joe Berry.
He hired Halfley, which I don't know how well he
knew him. Halfley had worked under Kyle for a couple
of years, so there was a lot of you know,
Lafleur's brother was on the Niner staff, so there was connection.
There's a good move, and Seattle ultimately screwed. I think
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if Geno's out for any foreseeable future, yeah, it would
just be a rap. Nothing you can do. So Seattle
plays Minnesota next week, I think that's a loss. Then
they go to at Chicago and at the Ramps. I
could easily see them losing two of three games, finishing
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nine to eight and missing the playoffs because now with
Washington winning, which they easily could have lost when Spencer
Ratler led him on that game winning drive and then
they went for two, which is the right move. My
only issue with the two point play in that game
is when you run a two point play. And I'm
not trying to act like I know better than these
offensive coordinators, but it's just basic math. When you're at
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or in the red zone, but just at a two
point play, you're at the two yard line. You only
have so much room to go right, so the field
is a lot wider than it is long. So when
you run like a quick you know, like a rollout
sprint out play, not only do you not have that
much field to go length wise, you cut half the width.
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So your margin to throw is not that much. If
you run that play at the fifty yard line, I
can always stop, throw across my body, maybe run back.
I can't really do much on a two point play
in that situation, and they ran out and the guy
wasn't really open. I just think you limit your option. Now,
maybe they felt that was one of their better two
point plays, but long winded way of saying, like the
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almost called them the football team. I think I read
that the Redskins might be coming back with a name,
but they're the Commanders right now. They're the only team
that's had like seven names in four years. But that's
a huge win because they basically feel like a lock
to get to ten games, and if they get to
ten wins, they will just be the seventh seed. Now.
I also think that's a huge advantage to whoever the
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two seed is, which feels like the winner of Minnesota,
Detroit or Philly. We'll see how this plays out. But
you get Washington like they're one and done and you
had to play Green Bay or Minnesota the Lions, like
that's a different animal at the five or six. So Seattle,
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I think they've definitely made progress. They feel like a
better team than the last couple of years with Pete Carroll,
but they're getting the same result. And I think you
saw to night for a half. I don't know if
that's totally on Gino. Their offensive line felt and it
wasn't exactly Reggie White and Gilbert Brown rubbed the middle.
Though Green Bay's got good defensive players, they were just
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overwhelming them every play they had, they had no shot.
Sam Howell looked like me back there. He looked small
and he just crumbled like a cookie because they were
coming from to attack him from every angle. He had
nowhere to go. And one underrated part about geno is
geno can move. You know, the Geno's not Kirk Cousins
or Jared Goff. Like he's a good athlete. He throws
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well in the run. And a lot of Seattle people
were tweeting at me like John, like that's a huge
geno mass a lot of our problems with our offensive line.
So congrats to the Packers. Packers organization just keep on
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Speaker 1 (25:37):
Let's go through some other things. I think a lot
of people thought Jerry was just being Jerry when he
threw out that Mike McCarthy could easily get an extension
several weeks ago on his radio show, And in fairness,
I don't blame anyone for thinking that. Jerry talks multiple
times a week and says all sorts of stuff, and
then you start watching his team play and I get like,
(26:01):
it was the Commanders, it was the Giants, it was
the Bengals, and today it was the Panthers. But they
have looked really good, and they are a guy who
was called up from the practice squad in the middle
of the week screwing up that block punt away from
winning four straight games. And if Dak was playing the
whole time, I'd be like, you're not getting that much credit.
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They're doing this with their backup quarterback, who, while he
played really well today, has stretches in games where you go,
how's this guy in the NFL? And the story that
came out this morning with Steven Jones, I don't know
who he said this to, so sorry if I'm not
giving you credit. As the Big Jays say is that
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we will entertain everything this offseason because clearly we're all
in on Dak and all in on CD, kind of eluding,
and he said Micah's name, Like, obviously, Micah is an
elite player and good teams keep players like him in
how but we have to entertain everything Financially, I started
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thinking what would they get from Micah Parsons? And I
think his comp You watch him today, he looked awesome
flying around and he's been good since he came back,
and he's the type player when you have that type
skill as an outside pass rusher, like you're getting two
ones in a two and in their position where they
are so devoid of talent. It's tough because the whole point.
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And I saw this when the Raiders traded Khalil Mack,
and financially it was a little different, Like Mark Davis
at the time just didn't have the ninety million cash.
The Cowboys just basically would be a three man team
if they did this. Obviously, Jerry has the cash to
pay him, but it's a similar thing. The whole point
of a draft, beside like drafting to find your star quarterback,
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is to literally find guys like Micah Parsons or Khalil
Mack in the draft, especially when you have a high
first round pick, because that's called nail the pick. So
I'm usually against, like, what's the whole point of this
whole thing? But given the way they've built their team
and their financial constraints, I think you would have to
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think long and hard about it. Now. The problem is
in this draft, for example, all my buddies say, not
a super loaded top fifteen. This isn't a bunch of
Trent Williams and Lane Johnson's and you know, Nick Bosa's
and Jalen Carters and Aaron Donald's in this thing. There aren't.
I don't think a lot of people view a lot
of Micah Parsons in this draft, so that has to
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factor in, and then you have to look around part
of trading Micah Parsons, like when the Raiders traded Khalil
mack Is. You trade them in, that team immediately gives them,
you know, a Nick Bosa level contract. So these trades
aren't as simple as just trade me for the player, right,
I have to trade and have a contract worked out
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before the trade is done. So me and the team
have to agree on the compensation, and then Micah and
his agent have to agree on the compensation. They're willing
to pay him on the salary, but I think they are.
And this is what I do appreciate about the Jones family.
I think they're being pretty authentic lately. I think Mike
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McCarthy is gonna get extended because in what world if
he does well with Dak and does well with the
quarterback and Cleary's a good coach, and I think most
universally around the NFL people to talk about the NFL
people in the league agree like this season is more
on Jerry than on Mike. Mike's a good coach and
if you fire him, like who are you hiring? So
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I think Mike McCarthy will be the coach. And I've
had people ask me, are we sure Mike McCarthy wants
that job? Wouldn't he have other options. I think there's
something pretty special of being the coach of the Cowboys.
It's my issue with brock Perty. It's like brock Perty's
not taking a discount. Well, brock, who wants to trade
for you? Where are your other options? If we offer
you one hundred million dollars guaranteed, who's offering you more
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than that? We'll let you test the market.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Have at it.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Because I talked to Colin about this, and I was
thinking about it during the Sunday night game when they've
had knockdown dragouts with some of their guys. Trent Williams
wanted to raise, McCaffrey wanted to raise, but like Deebo
held out, I Uke held out, Bosa held out. Teams
wanted to trade for those guys. The Jets offered pick
ten at the time for Deebo. The entire league would
have traded multiple ones for Nick Bosa. They had like
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three or four trade offers on the table for Brandon
aiyuk Amari Cooper in a second straight up, the Pats
were like a two and a three. I think the
UH I don't know exactly know what the Pittsburgh Steelers offered,
but they were all offered, and they were offering to pay,
Like who am I bidding against? Like if I'm Michael
Parsons who were negotiating contract, Like I'm not just bidding
with Michael Party, I'm bidding against the league. If I'm
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on the fence about like what I trade him? Because
other teams would trade him and he knows that. But
I'm thinking about brock Pritty, Like who am I bidding against?
I can't give you a Daniel Jones. We like you
a lot, we want you to be a starting quarterback.
We're not giving you two or Trevor Lawrence contract. I
don't give a fuck. What's your agent wants to argue,
We'll just hang up. We just won't do a deal,
Like who are we bidding against? It was my issue
last year with two, Like who you guys betten against?
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I don't Trevor Lawrence two hundred million dollars. Now, there
would have been teams before this season that would have
gladly traded for Trevor Lawrence based on the hype and
based on previous stuff, and that would have been the
wrong move, but he would have had a market. So
what I always said about Danie Jones, like who he
has been against. Even Dak didn't love the contract. Don't
love the contract, but like other teams would have wanted him.
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The Raiders would have gladly taken Deck, the Giants would
gladly take him. People want pretty, people would want McCarthy.
You're telling me the Bears wouldn't want Mike McCarthy immediately
to work with Caleb Williams their offense and just run
their team. Would Mike McCarthy be the best coach they've
had since Ditka? I mean, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
So?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think Jerry's no idiot. I was thinking about this
watching toa today. I'm sure, like many people have known
people that have dealt with addiction issues and been either
forced to go to rehab or gone to rehab on
their own. And one thing you learned during that process,
whether it's a family member or a friend, is like,
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the only way you have a chance to kick whatever
you want to kick or whatever you need to kick
to keep your life going, essentially, is you have to
believe it. Like you have to believe it's time to change,
you have to want to change and listen, I've never
been an individual that's struggle with addictions. So that push
and pull inside. I can't imagine what that's like for
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an individual, but it's pretty clear like, if you want
to change, you have a chance for rehabilitation to work.
But if you do not want to change, it usually
doesn't stick. No matter how high priced whatever center I
send you to, it ain't gonna stick long, and you'll
just fall right off the wagon and go back to
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exactly who you were. I was thinking about this today.
Kind of a crazy analogy given that I'm talking about
a guy with concussions, but to a ton of I
looa Today I'm watching the game, like ten games going
this morning. Most of them were god awful. Honestly, the
best game of the morning was really the Jets or
the Jags. But I'm just kind of hate watching Texans Dolphins.
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I despise the Dolphins. I don't like anything they stand for,
you know, with McDaniel, the franchise, the team, the way
they've built this team, the money they invested into their quarterback.
I just I can't take any of it. But I
do respect to his love of football, and when every
human being told him to quit and retire, He's just like,
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fuck you is my life, And I respect that I
think the same way, like, don't fucking tell me what
to do. Leave me alone, whether he's right or wrong, Like,
it's his decision. It's not on me or you or
anyone else, his coach, his own or whatever. It's on him.
It's him and his family's decision. But if he's gonna
play like, you kind of gotta be smart and you're
not exactly Lamar Kayler. So when you run around like
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you got to be extra careful. And there was a
play today where he was diving for a first down,
which ironically would not have counted because there was a
holding and he got a ten yard penalty. But there
were two defenders, you know, bearing down on him against
a pretty physical defense in Houston. That's the team when
you watch Texans who have underwhelmed a little bit this season,
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which banded up clinching the division on December six fifteenth.
We're coming right for him and he dives headfirst for
him and he gets cracked by two guys and it's like, listen,
maybe he, in theory wants to change, I guess, but
you watch him play, he hasn't changed at all. There
was a play earlier when he came back about him
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attempting to make a tackle today, there was a similar
opportunity on one of his interceptions that he pulled up.
But that play, it's like he's just gonna play like
he plays, and maybe in this scenario there's nothing he
can do. It's like muscle memory, right, you just get
out there and play. You're not even thinking. You're just reacting,
which is ideally how any coach wants a football player
to be. Right, is not thinking because the moment you think,
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you play slower. So I want you to play. And
maybe this is just embedded in his body. But like
it's it's gonna happen again. It's not avoidable if he's
gonna play like this. No matter how soft and how
many regulations have come in that we want to change
the rules, people still get destroyed. There was a dude
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in that game on a ball. Was that game or
was the Indie game? Yeah, it was the Dolphin game.
Dou came over the middle cracked, had to be carted off.
I mean it was. It was a tough scene they had.
It looked like they had to cut his pads off.
He was shirtless on the on the gurney. God hope
he lives. It's a violent game. People run really fast.
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All these guys, all the defensive linemen are two hundred
and eighty to three hundred and forty pounds. They all
are elite athletes. Most linebackers now are not like two
hundred and sixty pounds anymore. They're like two thirty five
two forty and they all run four forwards and four fives.
Every dB is hauling ass. They have zero percent body fat,
and they're all muscle, and the overwhelming majority of them
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will lower their shoulder and fuck you up. So it's
like if he's gonna play, like we just have to acknowledge,
like at any moment, that's gonna happen again. And like
I'm just not making a big deal. He wants to play.
It is what it is. He's not really changing. Maybe
he can't change, uh, but just get ready for it. Uh.
There's been a lot of stories the last I would
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say week or two about Patriots are cool, like they're
gonna no matter what happens. They're with girod Mail Gerrod
Mayo is going to be their coach. And then there
were a couple of stories over the last like forty
eight three four days I was gonna see seventy two.
If I was gonna go forty eight, what's how do
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I do? Three days? It's seventy two hours? Did Jonathan
Craft has been calling around that he has taken and
this is well reported last year with Belichick taking a
heavy hand in the organization, and there was a scene
today where I forget exactly what happened on the field,
but they panned a Craft who sits next to Jonathan
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every single game. It's two of them, and Jonathan's kind
of ranting and Raven clearly pissed off, thinking he has
the idea of what would have been a better play.
And they were getting house by the Cardinals, who are
not very good, and the Patriots were never in that game.
They looked atrocious, and you're thinking to yourself, is he
gonna survive? Because this organization, the future of it, not
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just the near future, but the long term future all
rides on the quarterback, and right now you have he
was an excellent player, he really was team captain leader.
Then he becomes a coach and then last year does
shady shit with you know, behind Belichick back whatever. Welcome
to the corporate world. You're always backstabbing, trying to move
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your way up. Be a ladder climber. You get your spot,
regardless of how you did it. They said they would
have hired him five years ago, but when he gets
the spot, he looks completely lost. Even when Belichick's team
last year was atrocious, at least you knew based on
his resume he does know what he's doing. If he
has a good team, I would be pretty concerned if
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I'm a Pats fan. And you have to wonder if
like these they still play the Bills twice. It could
and the Bills, you know, depending on what happens to
the Chiefs over these next couple of weeks. There's a
lot on the line, so it could get really, really ugly,
and you have to wonder, like Jonathan Kraft, is this young,
hungry he'd execute anybody. Hell, he wanted to fire Belichick's
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been well reported two years ago. But luckily Pops, you know,
not luckily. I don't really care. I'm not a Patriot guy.
But Dad wouldn't allow it. And there's still, I'm sure
a push and pull because of the family business. But
the older Robert gets, the more he gives it to Jonathan.
You just have to wonder is girod Mail safe because
I'd have to say, you watch his team play today,
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you're like, holy shit, this is ugly. One thing I
would say about Dan Campbell is it's thirty eight to
twenty eight. His defense is riddled with injuries. Like it's
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I don't know what the NFL record is for starters
and backups and just high end players getting injured and
your team still dominating. But it has to be a
pretty small list. It really does. And by today they
lose McNeil, one of their last standing defensive linemen. They
lose Carlton Davis, a guy they paid a lot of
money this offseason. Campbell said, both to probably season ending injuries.
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Your def is not gonna stop the best player in
the league. So my first reaction was like, in what
world is he onside kicking? And then I started thinking
a little bit like last week, like what else is
he gonna do? His defense has no chance to stop
these guys, absolutely none. The only chance he has is
maybe getting an on side kick. Now, unlike previous years,
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before the new kickoff rule, you could do a surprise
on sidekick. So now when you do an on side kick,
they're much more prepared. My overall take with an on sidekick,
when everyone knows it's coming, it just feels so unlikely
that it ever even gets close to being recovered. I
would say, this just got feel. This just does a
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football consumer. Ninety percent of the time, it's like easily
corralled by the other team, and then there's that five
percent where there's one weird bounce but it's not that close.
And then there's that couple percent where it's kind of
up in the air, and then the one or two
two percent works recovered. Obviously, today at backfires because mac
Hollins is aggressive, takes it almost scores, and the Bills
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score a couple of plays later. I mean, that's that
final score. Forty eight forty two has to be one
of the more misleading scores I would say of the year,
because it would say that it was an exciting close game,
and for the most part, I did not feel that way.
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Once you get a big lead and you're scoring every down,
you kind of start playing prevent, which is tough because
then the Lions are so elite at scoring and Jared
Goff is really good. When you don't hit Jared Goff,
he's gonna make you pay when you do hit him.
He's a lot like Kirk Cousins. He's a lot like
you know, any pocket quarterback. He's gonna be in trouble
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because he can't add it, so he has to make
throws within in the pocket. Early in that game, Buffalo
is getting after his ass pretty sure. They sacked him
three times in the first half, definitely a couple and
they were just hitting him and he kind of turned
into old average Jared Goff. And then as the game
goes on, I don't have the numbers in front of me,
but start playing prevent not being as aggressive, and he
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starts slicing, dicing you one. He made some great plays,
I mean the touchdown he threw to Saint Brown over
a couple defender's head. Saint Brown just took it with sweet.
But Josh Allen was a man amongst points. And listen,
everyone is on their knee circle Jerk and Ben Johnson.
It's like, this guy's the greatest coordinator since Andy Reid,
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who actually looks really slim by the way, Coach Reid.
Coach look at Coach Reid. The tweet or the instagram
that the Chiefs put out about his postgame, Andy looks great.
You know, Bill Walsh, Mike Shanahan equals Kyle sh Ben Johnson.
It's like lest Ben Johnson is good. We have seen
a lot of coordinators over the years be good as
an offensive coordinator. There is absolutely zero guarantee that any
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of that translates. Pat Shermer was the offensive coordinat for
the Minnesota Vikings with case Keenum and they were awesome
on offense. How's that work out when he became the
head coach? So this notion that he's some locke to
be some awesome guy the way he's talked about, it's
just not the way coaching works. But why don't we
say the same thing about Joe Brady. I'm watching Joe
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Brady Ken Dorsey gets fired last year. Ever since je
Brady's taken over, their running game with Cook has been awesome.
Josh Allen, you could argue, not just this year, but
even like the last couple games of last year, best
player in the NFL. And I never hear his name
mentioned at all. Same thing with like Liam Cohen the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the same thing everyone, and listen,
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I get it. A lot of these media guys they
love Raheem Morris, like Raheem Morris because you know McVeigh
and his little cronies and they all kind of like
they hype guys up. And I get it, like if
you know a guy, totally understand hyping him up. But
like that fucking thing's a disaster. Even if they win
tomorrow against the Raiders, there's still a game back at
Tampa Bay, who more than likely are going to win
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that division and be in the playoffs again. No one
ever talks about Todd Bowles, no one ever. All I
heard is Raheem Morris. For six months, I've never heard
anyone mentioned Todd Bowles name one. It is amazing. And
this happens during the draft as well. In this business
in football, what hype does for you when you get
the hype machine behind your hype machine and listen, I'll
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say this about Ben Johnson's been doing it for a
couple of years at a high level, so it's deserved hype.
But people talk about when he gets a job, it's
a lock to work. That's just not the way it works.
But some guys like it's impossible. What do you have
to do to get anyone to mention Liam Cullen's name.
It's hard to ever find anyone to be like, you
know what, Mike McCarthy's pretty good at his job. Mike
mcarthy called good place. Mike McCarthy's a good offensive mind.
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I never hear anyone say.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
That, you know, Todd Bowles pretty good, doing a pretty
good job, head coach, pretty impressive, just deaf, like you
can't hear anything but it's happening.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
This is one of my favorite stories. Is on Thursday.
Jay Glazer reported today that John Lynch, so sometimes when
a guy gets injured during a game, the trainer or
someone down on the field will text up to the
GM and let him know so and so sprained ankle
out for the games, or just update him clearly. Someone
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during the game, potentially at halftime updates John Lynch, like
de and Andre Campbell, will not enter the game. John
Lynch comes down to the sideline, confronts de Andre Campbell,
starts calling him out, and eventually when he went to
the locker room. This Jay Glazer's reporting John Lynch, Jay's
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good buddies with John told him to leave and something
in the NFL like listen most competitive lot of Money
online industries, people are gonna yell at each other. I
kind of like that, Like sometimes you should be a
little uncomfortable in situations high achievement, Like people should be
on your ass. I want people on my ass. It's
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like part of the way the world works. People should
be a little edgy. It's part of life. But in football,
most of those people, like bosses in the real world,
are kind of small nerds, right. They're not a threat
to beat you up. They might be a threat to
fire you. They might be a threat to make you
pack up your office and leave, which sucks and makes
everyone angry and makes you want to fight the guy,
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but don't end up fighting the guy, and that guy
is never gonna fight you. But in football, think how
often how many guys on a sideline, even if the
head coach isn't how many former players are on his sideline.
And think about front offices. And I saw it with scouts.
A lot of former players are in front offices. A
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lot of former players or even just former college players
are general managers. And John Lynch is a Hall of fame.
Ask kicking safety, Like, you kind of got to be
a little crazy to do these jobs. Now, not everyone
like Howie Roseman ain't fighting Jalen Carter and listen, I'm
not even saying John Lynch would have won the Devandre.
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But like, part of being good at this job is
not just about having the intellectual capacity, being smart, being aggressive,
being good at football, being good with people like you
gotta be a little fucking nuts. And I remember hearing
stories when I got to Philly about Andy and a
former offensive lineman getting into a shoving match. This is,
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you know, twenty years ago in uh well, before I
even got there, and listen, and he never played in
the NFL. But Andy just had a big, dude, agile
former offensive lineman at BYU and a lot of these
I remember meeting Jason light for the first time in person,
Like dude played college football. Like these guys are big,
these Odsie do some Hall of Famer like this gotta
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be a little nuts And I just love that. And yeah,
I just thought it was a cool story. Other than that,
a couple of big NFL injuries before we get out
of here. Listen, I don't have any information beside what
has been tweeted out or Florio wrote or said. On
Sunday Night Football, TJ. Watt foot sprain. If he misses
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several games, like they'd be in major trouble. They play
the Ravens here in five days or six days, then
they play on Christmas. So if his status is in
jeopardy for these games, like they ain't winning games without
this guy. This guy is equivalent to their team like
a quarterback. Even the day he makes so many play
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he is so good, you kind of realize that if
you're a Cowboy fan, when Michael leaves is like there's
a big hole when that guy's gone, And sometimes like
is micaeh that good? Can he play the run? Then
he comes back, you're like, holy shit, we miss this guy.
If he has to miss these two games, it could
be the biggest It could be the difference, you know,
in the divisi all of a sudden they're a wild
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card team and they would be in trouble. Obviously, if
he was out for the season, they would immediately be
done and they would be one and done in the playoffs.
Certain same thing like that would be a devastating injury
for the Broncos who got it him, who had a
very very impressive win the day against a quarterback who
you know, like I say, all the time, can't hit
water if he was in the middle of the ocean
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in a boat. It just truly is an atrocious thrower
of the football, not in terms of velocity, but in
terms of accuracy, has no clue where it's going. Certain
who had an I wouldn't say an awesome pick, just
a good pick, broke off a route, picked it off
pretty easily, had to be kind of helped off the field.
If he has to miss substantial time, that's like their
ceiling and listen, their ceiling fully healthy might just be
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one playoff victory. If he's gone that that would be
a huge, huge blow. Obviously. The Lions like kind of
feels like they're at the point of diminishing returns, Like
eventually you get to the point like things crack. I've
been driving around for like a week with this thing
flashing in my car about this break situation. I just
hadn't had time to go to the dealership. I've also
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been on the fence like it's just time to get
a new car when I'm at the dealership, But I
just I just hadn't had time yet. And I'm just
hoping like it's something involved in my breaks, like my
breaks just all of a sudden, don't work. When I'm
driving down the highway and all of a sudden you
see a tweet like, you know, former podcaster John Middlecoff
has perished because his breaks went out and he flew
off the side of the road. You know, That's kind
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of what I'm hoping, and that's why I need to
go to the dealership either Monday or Tuesday. But that's
what it feels like with a Lions like you can
lose a couple of players if you have some good
backups and if your offense is good enough. But I
don't know. It just kind of just feels like enough's enough,
And it kind of feels over Mahomes, who said after
the game that he doesn't even know if he'll be
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able to go this week, obviously because it's a Saturday
game and then he plays a Wednesday game. I think
based on the way he was talking, and there's a
chance he could miss the next two games. The great
part is they got a little lead. He just win
one of these next two games, they'd be fine. Now
could they do that with Carson Wentz? I don't know,
but I know this. If there is any question about
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Carson Wentz. I have a hard time seeing him play Saturday,
because it'd be an easy one, like, hey, don't play Saturday,
We'll hold you to Wednesday. So basically, instead of getting
you know, a week off missing a game, you know,
you get ten days off or nine days off and
you just start preparing for the Christmas Day game against
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the Steelers. I could see if he's legitimately not out,
like three weeks or something, but if it's like you know,
you'd be a game time decision Saturday. I wonder if
they just say, hey, we'll get Carsonis start here on
Saturday against the Texans, and then we'll just kind of
give you the week you start preparing for the Steelers
on Tuesday or Wednesday, almost like a playoff situation. I
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wonder if that's in play, and that's where they really
benefit from winning all these closed games, because I think
it'd be a lot different if they were tied with
the Bills or even just had a one game lead
with the Bills, Because I think it's pretty easy if
you're Andy and this is probably the right move. The
Bills are not going to lose another game. I think
that's how you would approach it. The Bills are winning out,
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so they're gonna have three losses. We got one, so
we can afford to lose one more game, could we
just hey, maybe Carson could. It's not like the Texans
are world beers right now, and the Steelers who knows,
now what if TJ's out? You know, with picking status,
they got some major question marks. They're leaking a little will,
so these major injuries are definitely something to keep an
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eye on. Appreciate everyone listening, have a great day, and
we will talk soon. The volume
The volume. What is going on? Everybody? How are we doing?
Probably not as good as Gino's need. It looked like
it hurt and he left the game. In the Seattle
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Seahawks season felt like it ended. The Green Bay Packers
Jordan Love, Jeff Hafley, Lafleur looked like they're headed back
to the playoffs. Actually, I mean, hell, they might have
officially clinched tonight. I'm not sure if they did. I
think the Vikings did. Actually, let's see did the Packers
And the Packers haven't officially yet, but they're ten and four.
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They okay, they're head to do about twelve wins. Another
great season. A lot going on today. We will talk
about Sunday night game. Some I go on with Colin
every Sunday. So we covered a lot of stuff. But
I'll cover Mike McCarthy. Something I saw with Tua something,
John Lynch storm down to the sideline on Thursday. Drawd
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Mayo in Arizona against the Cardinals. Got worked. It's his
job in trouble. A ton of injuries today. TJ. Mahomes
certain the Lions had more guys dropping like flies. I mean,
I don't think it's inconceivable. We see Carson Wentz this Saturday.
Who knows. I got a theory of maybe what they
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might try to do if Mahomes is semi questionable and
be able to play next Wednesday, but might not be
able to play Saturday. But I guess we'll learn more
with all these guys over the next By the time
you're listening to this, some of these, you know, MRIs
and news could break. But we'll talk a little football.
Other than that, we'll have podcasts out. You know, we'll
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was interesting because I sometimes don't look at it this
way because we always talk when there's a transaction, right
when a player leaves a team and goes to a
new team, when a coach leaves a team and goes
to a new team. How is that coach or player
doing for their new team? What is going on? Is
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he having success? Is he not having success? All these
guys that are about to get jobs in the NFL,
how will Ben Johnson do as coach of X? How
will Mike vrabel do as coach of X? And Stucky's like, well,
look at when Mike McDonald left the Baltimore Ravens. What
happened to the Baltimore Ravens defense. It was statistically one
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of the great defenses of all time last year and
this year, minus the Giants game, it's been mainly atrocious
with the same players, same thing. With a guy like
Aaron Rodgers gets traded to the Jets, I'm guilty of this.
I went the Packers are screwed. There is no way
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Jordan Love is gonna be good. When does that ever happen?
Farv Rogers Love. It's like, the only time I can
think of anything even remotely close was like Montana Young Garcia,
and obviously Jordan Love will get into him in a minute.
I think it's a stud. And the Packers now have
ten wins. Last year they have nine. They won a
playoff game last year. They are going to be a
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very very feisty team come to the playoffs this year.
They're a real deal. They haven't flinched at all. I
mean so separate from Rogers up and down situation, his injury,
his up and down play, like they don't even think
about him. Right where the Ravens would do anything to
have Mike McDonald back. Look at who Mike McDonald replaced
in Seattle. They have basically been the same team, give
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or take, for like the last six or seven years,
win eight, nine, ten games, and when they essentially fired
Pete Carroll last year, it's like it's gonna be hard
to replace a guy like Pete Carroll won a four
guys super Bowl National championship. Obviously as a high level coach,
they're no different. And it's not like, listen, I think
Mike's good, smart move. It was the right move, but
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I think you saw tonight it's like, you know, Gino's
kind of just a guy. I would want to play
Gino in a big game, and I stand by that.
But watching that game once Gino hurt his knee and
them throw in Sam Howe, it really brought to light
the Gino's pretty good and that offensive line is atrocious
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and one underrated aspect to Gino is he can move around, right.
We see it with Jordan Love. A lot of Jordan
Love's game is a lot like Aaron Rodgers. He can,
you know, when he was younger, can move around and
make plays. Sam Howe like the smaller guy who can't
really move and was just getting destroyed play after play
after play. And then when he actually made a throw
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down the field felt like it went right through Sea
Green Bay defenders hands half the time, and some of
them were caught. It was like Jesus kind of brings
the light. Like Gino's pretty important, and I've been a
big believer that, Like, you know, it's time Seattle cash
in your chips, make a huge trade. Go get your Mahomes,
Go trade up to try to get your Josh Allen.
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Now it's easier said than done. Who is Mahomes and
Josh Allen in this draft? But just do something aggressive.
I thought they should have attempted something like that last year.
Go up and get Michael Pennix. Hell, you just hired
his offensive coordinator this year. Now they haven't done it
because your guy stinks and you watched him like, eh,
actually he's not bad. Kind of understand why you like him,
because he could just keep you around eight nine, ten wins.
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And as we watched anyone that watched football this morning,
you know, for me it was eleven am kickoff. A
lot of shitty team games from the Jags to the
Giants to the Dolphin, just a lot of bad football,
a lot of bad football teams. And you go, as
long as we got Geno and some of the talent
with John Sneyder or Mike McDonald, we will be competitive
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and we will have a chance in the playoffs. And
I would imagine thirty five to forty percent of the
leagueould sign up for that yesterday, for twenty twenty five,
and that's the position that the you know that Seattle
will be in. But it was very evident tonight because
now listen, they were getting their askicked. Green Bay showed
up to win. Green Bay was really impressive now rightfully,
(07:36):
so they had little extra buy and they came in swinging. Hell.
I was recording with Coward and by the time I
got out to the living room seven eight minutes, you know,
into the first quarter, they were already up fourteen to nothing,
and I had to look you know at halftime, like
what happened obviously, first first drive touchdown, force a punt,
next drive touchdown, It's like bang, bang boom. You're a
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fourteen to nothing on the road, and the game, in
a weird way, was kind of decided from that point
because they dictated the terms of the rest of the game.
They dominated the first half. I mean dominated the first
half right up seventeen to three, but it felt like
thirty to three in the second half. The moment Gino
was hurt. If Josh Jacobs doesn't fumble the ball, that
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is not a game. Because and listen, I thought Seattle
was good in the second half. They could do anything.
In the first half. Defensively they were getting smoke left
and right, and in the second half, Leonard Williams feels
like one of the more underappreciated players in the NFL.
That guy is a stud. That guy, that guy could
play for my team any day of the week. And
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their defense was just much more physical, stopping the run,
hitting guys, forcing the fumble. But offensively they had nothing.
And you know, that fumble led to a Charbonna big
run was a big moment in the game. But other
than that, like Seattle had no chance and to go
on the road like that, Green Bay. And listen, I'm
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a Jordan love Stan. I think that's what the kids say, right,
I'm a sucker for talent and the arm the movement. Now, listen,
fundamental is great. No throws on his back foot a lot,
but throws absolute bebies and when he's on his touchdown
passes are as beautiful as they get. That's what I
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want my quarterback to look like. Movement, scramble ability, sit
in the pocket and throw a seed twenty to thirty
yards down the field. Obviously Green Bay and this gets
back to the Rogers thing when he had a big
issue with Gutikins. It's like this situation where they're at
is really a testament to the organization how well they
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build teams. Like all those young wide receivers. I mean
they traded DeVante Adams and Aaron Rodgers in a twelve
month span and two years later are probably gonna win
twelve games. And you watch like, how many teams the
league with a young offensive roster would you take over theirs?
It has to be on a short list, right, but
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their general manager and sometimes you got to make let's
face it. Their organization, at least in the last twenty years,
is defined by making quote unquote controversial picks at quarterback.
They did it with Rogers when they drafted him twenty
fourth and they had Brett Farv And they did it
again with Aaron Rodgers when they took Jordan Love, who
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I think was picked twenty seven, either twenty seven or
twenty nine, but one of those two picks, and everyone freaked.
And I'm sure you know I was in college with Rogers,
but this one I thought was crazy too. And several
years later it was one hundred percent the right move.
And now the Packers are in a position because they
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also fired Mike McCarthy, who will get into in a second.
It's really good coach who knows what he's doing, and
hired a guy who's excellent. And obviously Lafour was a
part of the Jordan Love pick as well, because you're
not going to draft a quarterback with an offensive coach
without having him on board and the development and the coaching. Like,
to me, Jordan Love is everything I want in a
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quarterback prospect, especially when he's a raw project, right from
the size, from the arm strength, from the movement ability,
like you don't need to be Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray. Right,
but in this modern day NFL, and you saw it
today with the Lions, and listen, Jared Goff was awesome.
I think he threw well over four hundred yards. I
didn't see his final numbers. I think five touchdowns. I
(11:33):
think chefter road. He's he threw five picks and lost.
He threw five touchdowns or five picks and one five
touchdowns and lost. But like Rogers, every or loves everything
I'm looking for, and the organization believed in it and
they bet on it, and now they're benefiting from it.
And from an intangible standpoint, we saw him get hurt,
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we saw him battle through injuries, we saw him play injured. Obviously,
by all accounts, he's a super high character, good guy.
You are so lucky to be a backer fan. I mean, seriously,
this has been going on, like no matter what age
group you're in. If you're fifty, it's basically your whole life.
If you're my age, basically your whole life. If you're twenty,
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it's all you know. If you're twenty eight, all you know.
You have to be like sixty to really truly probably
remember like the tough times in the seventies and eighties.
Other than that, like your football life is fucking incredible.
It doesn't get any better. It doesn't In part of
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being an incredible football life doesn't mean you win the
Super Bowl every year. Hell, you guys have won two
and since far have showed up, you've only been to three.
But every single year a little like the Steelers, but
the differences between you and the Steelers, like they're kind
of winning now. Not quite the same as when Big
Ben was in his prime. I mean, you saw Russell
today without pickings. Look the little meh Like, listen, sometimes
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your defense over the last fifteen years has let you down.
No one's ever questioned the quarterback or the offensive prowess.
And now new group just like it always was, Like
you know, Donald Driver got old, then Jordy Nelson got old,
and then Devanta Adams left, and now you got Dobbs,
you got Red, you got Watson. It's like, oh yeah,
wellso ed Josh Jacobs, right, we know you draft good
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offensive lineman and now you have this quarterback who is
what twenty six, twenty seven years old, is just fucking
awesome and listen, he throws some picks. I say this
all the time. With interceptions. I got no problem if
you throw interceptions, as long as you throw a lot
of touchdowns. Far through far through interceptions help Peyton Manner
through interceptions, they threw a lot of touchdowns, and that's
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what this guy does. He's an explosive player down the field.
So I just think your organization even look in your division.
You know, Goodakins has been there forever before that Ted
Thompson had been there forever. Your success always comes with
like high level offensive coaches. In the nineties, it was
home Grin. In most of the late two thousands, twenty tens,
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it was McCarthy and now it's Lafleor, who's gonna be
there for a long time with his quarterback Jordan Love.
And I just think, like you look at your division.
The Lions are having a fantastic season, which is kind
of falling apart because of the injuries. When I say
falling apart, I just mean like big picture, like how
are they going to keep this thing together? But we're
gonna learn over the next couple of years. What's it
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gonna look like when Dan Campbell loses his coordinators. It's
impossible for you to lose your offensive coordinator. The Bears
are a joke, right. The Vikings are having a fun year,
but they got a big quarterback question this offseason. What
do they do? Like? What are your question marks? Seriously, like,
we just need better personnel. Keep drafting defense. I know
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you can build the offense now. Big picture this year,
can they win the NFC? I think they can go
toe to toe with anybody. I mean, clearly, they have
been in a lot big games. Last year they went
toe to toe with the forty nine ers. They easily
could have won that game on the road. Tonight I
thought was a pretty big gut check game on the road.
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Their fans travel exceptionally well. Seattle for the last decade
plus has been one of the better home field advantage
and their chanting gopack go during that game. And how
you supposed to most teams. I say this all the
time when people get ben out of shape about their dbs.
Most teams maybe have one good corner. If you're lucky,
you got two. If you have three good corners meeting
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your nickel as well, like you're you're living a first
class life. So when you have that many wide receivers
who can all do different things, who can all it
feels like run. I mean, Watson can fly even read
on the one that Love that they ended up getting
stuffed on the fourth down, but on the third down
he's wide open there and Love just threw a seat.
(15:51):
He just slipped. They're good route runners, they're good playmakers.
Your tight ends a stud. He had a sweet catch
today on a classic like Rogers, one of those guy
jumps off sides. I feel like Jordan is a carbon
copy of his movements, his mannerisms, the flick of the
wrist that play when they snap it, same thing Rogers
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would have done, like him sitting for those several years,
which never happens anymore, and rightfully so, if I'm a fan,
if I'm a coach, if I'm an owner, we don't
got three years, and usually we don't have Aaron Rodgers.
So it's just a situation that's very very rare, like
those days are, And honestly, it didn't even happen that
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much way back in the day, like it was unheard
of when Carson Palmer sat for a year in like
two thousand and two behind John Kittna with the Cincinnati Bengals.
But this guy's welcome to the NFL moment, sitting learning
from the floor, learning a complicated offense and then getting
to kind of ease into it in a weird way,
but peak at the right time. And now you watch
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him right now, just like last year, when did he
peak end of the season. When's he playing good football
right now into the season? My only issue them last
week in Green Bay, as they started slow. Once he
got into a rhythm in that second half, it felt
like every single drive they were gonna score, cause like,
what are you gonna do? They could run an out
route get a first down, They could run a go
route and get a touchdown immediately. They can do something
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over the middle of the field and the guy can
break another twenty yards. They could bust an eight twelve
yard run any given play. They can hit the tight
end down the seam at any moment, like they kind
of got it all. And when you get him in
a situation like tonight and they get some rhythm and
moving early in that game, like Jesus, and then they
just you know, the defense half Ley's good hire And
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I think a lot of people made a big deal.
I was thinking about this the other day. This is
what I think about when I'm like in the car
driving around, is everyone made a big deals, Like Halflee
he left Boston College to be a defensive coordinator. Well,
I don't know exactly what Jeff Haffley was making at
Boston College. If I had to guess, let's say he
was making four million dollars. Well, let's say the Green
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Bay Packers call him and say, because half we probably knew,
you know, decent chance I get fired in a year
if we don't win, Well, hey, we'll give you a
three year, ten million dollar contract. So you take a
little haircut. Well, when you factor in the taxes, the
cost of living and everything, the money isn't that much different.
And I'm giving you extension from where you have, and
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I'm putting you in a position where a team's going
to be good. If it goes well, you can then
become an NFL head coach, let alone get a better
college job. So I think everyone freaked out about Jeff
Hafley leaving. It's not like he was taking ten million
and the Packers offered him two million. That's not what
happened financially, My educated guess, probably not a big difference
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if there is one at all when you factor in everything.
And honestly, it wouldn't shock me if he makes the
exact same that he made of Boston College. But that's
a good hire. And he got a lot of shit
last year because he kept Joe Barry around. And that's
the hard part about football. Just like any company, when
you hire a friend and you're the boss and it's
(19:01):
not working out now, it's no different, you know. I
I have a lot of friends that own small businesses
that have like or had partners where you have to
break up. It's tough. These aren't easy situations, but most
of those in our society aren't public. Besides, like your
close friends, the people you work with in your family,
you don't really know about it, right, We're in an
NFL team, like everyone kind of knows about it, so
(19:23):
it's under a magnify last year, Sirianni, one of the
coaches he fired when the Eagles fired a bunch of
their staff, was the best man at his wedding. I mean,
you get these jobs, you bring on your friends or
people that you believe in or close with. Like, I
don't blame you. I would do that too. You need
people you can trust. It's why it took Sean McVeigh
(19:44):
so many years to name Chris Shula, who's not some
random who's been coaching for a long time in the NFL,
whose dad was a coach and grampa was Don Shula
to name him the coach, because he's like, listen, we're
we've known each other, we played college football together, and
I don't want this to be weird, and if it
goes wrong, like ultimately, I would have to fire you.
(20:05):
And you can be put in a weird situation really
really fast. And it's working. He fired his buddy Joe Berry.
He hired Halfley, which I don't know how well he
knew him. Halfley had worked under Kyle for a couple
of years, so there was a lot of you know,
Lafleur's brother was on the Niner staff, so there was connection.
There's a good move, and Seattle ultimately screwed. I think
(20:26):
if Geno's out for any foreseeable future, yeah, it would
just be a rap. Nothing you can do. So Seattle
plays Minnesota next week, I think that's a loss. Then
they go to at Chicago and at the Ramps. I
could easily see them losing two of three games, finishing
(20:47):
nine to eight and missing the playoffs because now with
Washington winning, which they easily could have lost when Spencer
Ratler led him on that game winning drive and then
they went for two, which is the right move. My
only issue with the two point play in that game
is when you run a two point play. And I'm
not trying to act like I know better than these
offensive coordinators, but it's just basic math. When you're at
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or in the red zone, but just at a two
point play, you're at the two yard line. You only
have so much room to go right, so the field
is a lot wider than it is long. So when
you run like a quick you know, like a rollout
sprint out play, not only do you not have that
much field to go length wise, you cut half the width.
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So your margin to throw is not that much. If
you run that play at the fifty yard line, I
can always stop, throw across my body, maybe run back.
I can't really do much on a two point play
in that situation, and they ran out and the guy
wasn't really open. I just think you limit your option. Now,
maybe they felt that was one of their better two
point plays, but long winded way of saying, like the
(21:56):
almost called them the football team. I think I read
that the Redskins might be coming back with a name,
but they're the Commanders right now. They're the only team
that's had like seven names in four years. But that's
a huge win because they basically feel like a lock
to get to ten games, and if they get to
ten wins, they will just be the seventh seed. Now.
I also think that's a huge advantage to whoever the
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two seed is, which feels like the winner of Minnesota,
Detroit or Philly. We'll see how this plays out. But
you get Washington like they're one and done and you
had to play Green Bay or Minnesota the Lions, like
that's a different animal at the five or six. So Seattle,
(22:38):
I think they've definitely made progress. They feel like a
better team than the last couple of years with Pete Carroll,
but they're getting the same result. And I think you
saw to night for a half. I don't know if
that's totally on Gino. Their offensive line felt and it
wasn't exactly Reggie White and Gilbert Brown rubbed the middle.
Though Green Bay's got good defensive players, they were just
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overwhelming them every play they had, they had no shot.
Sam Howell looked like me back there. He looked small
and he just crumbled like a cookie because they were
coming from to attack him from every angle. He had
nowhere to go. And one underrated part about geno is
geno can move. You know, the Geno's not Kirk Cousins
or Jared Goff. Like he's a good athlete. He throws
(23:21):
well in the run. And a lot of Seattle people
were tweeting at me like John, like that's a huge
geno mass a lot of our problems with our offensive line.
So congrats to the Packers. Packers organization just keep on
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Speaker 1 (25:37):
Let's go through some other things. I think a lot
of people thought Jerry was just being Jerry when he
threw out that Mike McCarthy could easily get an extension
several weeks ago on his radio show, And in fairness,
I don't blame anyone for thinking that. Jerry talks multiple
times a week and says all sorts of stuff, and
then you start watching his team play and I get like,
(26:01):
it was the Commanders, it was the Giants, it was
the Bengals, and today it was the Panthers. But they
have looked really good, and they are a guy who
was called up from the practice squad in the middle
of the week screwing up that block punt away from
winning four straight games. And if Dak was playing the
whole time, I'd be like, you're not getting that much credit.
(26:21):
They're doing this with their backup quarterback, who, while he
played really well today, has stretches in games where you go,
how's this guy in the NFL? And the story that
came out this morning with Steven Jones, I don't know
who he said this to, so sorry if I'm not
giving you credit. As the Big Jays say is that
(26:45):
we will entertain everything this offseason because clearly we're all
in on Dak and all in on CD, kind of eluding,
and he said Micah's name, Like, obviously, Micah is an
elite player and good teams keep players like him in
how but we have to entertain everything Financially, I started
(27:06):
thinking what would they get from Micah Parsons? And I
think his comp You watch him today, he looked awesome
flying around and he's been good since he came back,
and he's the type player when you have that type
skill as an outside pass rusher, like you're getting two
ones in a two and in their position where they
are so devoid of talent. It's tough because the whole point.
(27:28):
And I saw this when the Raiders traded Khalil Mack,
and financially it was a little different, Like Mark Davis
at the time just didn't have the ninety million cash.
The Cowboys just basically would be a three man team
if they did this. Obviously, Jerry has the cash to
pay him, but it's a similar thing. The whole point
of a draft, beside like drafting to find your star quarterback,
(27:51):
is to literally find guys like Micah Parsons or Khalil
Mack in the draft, especially when you have a high
first round pick, because that's called nail the pick. So
I'm usually against, like, what's the whole point of this
whole thing? But given the way they've built their team
and their financial constraints, I think you would have to
(28:12):
think long and hard about it. Now. The problem is
in this draft, for example, all my buddies say, not
a super loaded top fifteen. This isn't a bunch of
Trent Williams and Lane Johnson's and you know, Nick Bosa's
and Jalen Carters and Aaron Donald's in this thing. There aren't.
I don't think a lot of people view a lot
of Micah Parsons in this draft, so that has to
(28:34):
factor in, and then you have to look around part
of trading Micah Parsons, like when the Raiders traded Khalil
mack Is. You trade them in, that team immediately gives them,
you know, a Nick Bosa level contract. So these trades
aren't as simple as just trade me for the player, right,
I have to trade and have a contract worked out
(28:55):
before the trade is done. So me and the team
have to agree on the compensation, and then Micah and
his agent have to agree on the compensation. They're willing
to pay him on the salary, but I think they are.
And this is what I do appreciate about the Jones family.
I think they're being pretty authentic lately. I think Mike
(29:15):
McCarthy is gonna get extended because in what world if
he does well with Dak and does well with the
quarterback and Cleary's a good coach, and I think most
universally around the NFL people to talk about the NFL
people in the league agree like this season is more
on Jerry than on Mike. Mike's a good coach and
if you fire him, like who are you hiring? So
(29:37):
I think Mike McCarthy will be the coach. And I've
had people ask me, are we sure Mike McCarthy wants
that job? Wouldn't he have other options. I think there's
something pretty special of being the coach of the Cowboys.
It's my issue with brock Perty. It's like brock Perty's
not taking a discount. Well, brock, who wants to trade
for you? Where are your other options? If we offer
you one hundred million dollars guaranteed, who's offering you more
(29:59):
than that? We'll let you test the market.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Have at it.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Because I talked to Colin about this, and I was
thinking about it during the Sunday night game when they've
had knockdown dragouts with some of their guys. Trent Williams
wanted to raise, McCaffrey wanted to raise, but like Deebo
held out, I Uke held out, Bosa held out. Teams
wanted to trade for those guys. The Jets offered pick
ten at the time for Deebo. The entire league would
have traded multiple ones for Nick Bosa. They had like
(30:25):
three or four trade offers on the table for Brandon
aiyuk Amari Cooper in a second straight up, the Pats
were like a two and a three. I think the
UH I don't know exactly know what the Pittsburgh Steelers offered,
but they were all offered, and they were offering to pay,
Like who am I bidding against? Like if I'm Michael
Parsons who were negotiating contract, Like I'm not just bidding
with Michael Party, I'm bidding against the league. If I'm
(30:48):
on the fence about like what I trade him? Because
other teams would trade him and he knows that. But
I'm thinking about brock Pritty, Like who am I bidding against?
I can't give you a Daniel Jones. We like you
a lot, we want you to be a starting quarterback.
We're not giving you two or Trevor Lawrence contract. I
don't give a fuck. What's your agent wants to argue,
We'll just hang up. We just won't do a deal,
Like who are we bidding against? It was my issue
last year with two, Like who you guys betten against?
(31:09):
I don't Trevor Lawrence two hundred million dollars. Now, there
would have been teams before this season that would have
gladly traded for Trevor Lawrence based on the hype and
based on previous stuff, and that would have been the
wrong move, but he would have had a market. So
what I always said about Danie Jones, like who he
has been against. Even Dak didn't love the contract. Don't
love the contract, but like other teams would have wanted him.
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The Raiders would have gladly taken Deck, the Giants would
gladly take him. People want pretty, people would want McCarthy.
You're telling me the Bears wouldn't want Mike McCarthy immediately
to work with Caleb Williams their offense and just run
their team. Would Mike McCarthy be the best coach they've
had since Ditka? I mean, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
So?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think Jerry's no idiot. I was thinking about this
watching toa today. I'm sure, like many people have known
people that have dealt with addiction issues and been either
forced to go to rehab or gone to rehab on
their own. And one thing you learned during that process,
whether it's a family member or a friend, is like,
(32:16):
the only way you have a chance to kick whatever
you want to kick or whatever you need to kick
to keep your life going, essentially, is you have to
believe it. Like you have to believe it's time to change,
you have to want to change and listen, I've never
been an individual that's struggle with addictions. So that push
and pull inside. I can't imagine what that's like for
(32:38):
an individual, but it's pretty clear like, if you want
to change, you have a chance for rehabilitation to work.
But if you do not want to change, it usually
doesn't stick. No matter how high priced whatever center I
send you to, it ain't gonna stick long, and you'll
just fall right off the wagon and go back to
(32:59):
exactly who you were. I was thinking about this today.
Kind of a crazy analogy given that I'm talking about
a guy with concussions, but to a ton of I
looa Today I'm watching the game, like ten games going
this morning. Most of them were god awful. Honestly, the
best game of the morning was really the Jets or
the Jags. But I'm just kind of hate watching Texans Dolphins.
(33:21):
I despise the Dolphins. I don't like anything they stand for,
you know, with McDaniel, the franchise, the team, the way
they've built this team, the money they invested into their quarterback.
I just I can't take any of it. But I
do respect to his love of football, and when every
human being told him to quit and retire, He's just like,
(33:42):
fuck you is my life, And I respect that I
think the same way, like, don't fucking tell me what
to do. Leave me alone, whether he's right or wrong, Like,
it's his decision. It's not on me or you or
anyone else, his coach, his own or whatever. It's on him.
It's him and his family's decision. But if he's gonna
play like, you kind of gotta be smart and you're
not exactly Lamar Kayler. So when you run around like
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you got to be extra careful. And there was a
play today where he was diving for a first down,
which ironically would not have counted because there was a
holding and he got a ten yard penalty. But there
were two defenders, you know, bearing down on him against
a pretty physical defense in Houston. That's the team when
you watch Texans who have underwhelmed a little bit this season,
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which banded up clinching the division on December six fifteenth.
We're coming right for him and he dives headfirst for
him and he gets cracked by two guys and it's like, listen,
maybe he, in theory wants to change, I guess, but
you watch him play, he hasn't changed at all. There
was a play earlier when he came back about him
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attempting to make a tackle today, there was a similar
opportunity on one of his interceptions that he pulled up.
But that play, it's like he's just gonna play like
he plays, and maybe in this scenario there's nothing he
can do. It's like muscle memory, right, you just get
out there and play. You're not even thinking. You're just reacting,
which is ideally how any coach wants a football player
to be. Right, is not thinking because the moment you think,
(35:09):
you play slower. So I want you to play. And
maybe this is just embedded in his body. But like
it's it's gonna happen again. It's not avoidable if he's
gonna play like this. No matter how soft and how
many regulations have come in that we want to change
the rules, people still get destroyed. There was a dude
(35:31):
in that game on a ball. Was that game or
was the Indie game? Yeah, it was the Dolphin game.
Dou came over the middle cracked, had to be carted off.
I mean it was. It was a tough scene they had.
It looked like they had to cut his pads off.
He was shirtless on the on the gurney. God hope
he lives. It's a violent game. People run really fast.
(35:54):
All these guys, all the defensive linemen are two hundred
and eighty to three hundred and forty pounds. They all
are elite athletes. Most linebackers now are not like two
hundred and sixty pounds anymore. They're like two thirty five
two forty and they all run four forwards and four fives.
Every dB is hauling ass. They have zero percent body fat,
and they're all muscle, and the overwhelming majority of them
(36:16):
will lower their shoulder and fuck you up. So it's
like if he's gonna play, like we just have to acknowledge,
like at any moment, that's gonna happen again. And like
I'm just not making a big deal. He wants to play.
It is what it is. He's not really changing. Maybe
he can't change, uh, but just get ready for it. Uh.
There's been a lot of stories the last I would
(36:37):
say week or two about Patriots are cool, like they're
gonna no matter what happens. They're with girod Mail Gerrod
Mayo is going to be their coach. And then there
were a couple of stories over the last like forty
eight three four days I was gonna see seventy two.
If I was gonna go forty eight, what's how do
(36:58):
I do? Three days? It's seventy two hours? Did Jonathan
Craft has been calling around that he has taken and
this is well reported last year with Belichick taking a
heavy hand in the organization, and there was a scene
today where I forget exactly what happened on the field,
but they panned a Craft who sits next to Jonathan
(37:19):
every single game. It's two of them, and Jonathan's kind
of ranting and Raven clearly pissed off, thinking he has
the idea of what would have been a better play.
And they were getting house by the Cardinals, who are
not very good, and the Patriots were never in that game.
They looked atrocious, and you're thinking to yourself, is he
gonna survive? Because this organization, the future of it, not
(37:43):
just the near future, but the long term future all
rides on the quarterback, and right now you have he
was an excellent player, he really was team captain leader.
Then he becomes a coach and then last year does
shady shit with you know, behind Belichick back whatever. Welcome
to the corporate world. You're always backstabbing, trying to move
(38:03):
your way up. Be a ladder climber. You get your spot,
regardless of how you did it. They said they would
have hired him five years ago, but when he gets
the spot, he looks completely lost. Even when Belichick's team
last year was atrocious, at least you knew based on
his resume he does know what he's doing. If he
has a good team, I would be pretty concerned if
(38:24):
I'm a Pats fan. And you have to wonder if
like these they still play the Bills twice. It could
and the Bills, you know, depending on what happens to
the Chiefs over these next couple of weeks. There's a
lot on the line, so it could get really, really ugly,
and you have to wonder, like Jonathan Kraft, is this young,
hungry he'd execute anybody. Hell, he wanted to fire Belichick's
(38:47):
been well reported two years ago. But luckily Pops, you know,
not luckily. I don't really care. I'm not a Patriot guy.
But Dad wouldn't allow it. And there's still, I'm sure
a push and pull because of the family business. But
the older Robert gets, the more he gives it to Jonathan.
You just have to wonder is girod Mail safe because
I'd have to say, you watch his team play today,
(39:07):
you're like, holy shit, this is ugly. One thing I
would say about Dan Campbell is it's thirty eight to
twenty eight. His defense is riddled with injuries. Like it's
(39:35):
I don't know what the NFL record is for starters
and backups and just high end players getting injured and
your team still dominating. But it has to be a
pretty small list. It really does. And by today they
lose McNeil, one of their last standing defensive linemen. They
lose Carlton Davis, a guy they paid a lot of
money this offseason. Campbell said, both to probably season ending injuries.
(39:59):
Your def is not gonna stop the best player in
the league. So my first reaction was like, in what
world is he onside kicking? And then I started thinking
a little bit like last week, like what else is
he gonna do? His defense has no chance to stop
these guys, absolutely none. The only chance he has is
maybe getting an on side kick. Now, unlike previous years,
(40:22):
before the new kickoff rule, you could do a surprise
on sidekick. So now when you do an on side kick,
they're much more prepared. My overall take with an on sidekick,
when everyone knows it's coming, it just feels so unlikely
that it ever even gets close to being recovered. I
would say, this just got feel. This just does a
(40:45):
football consumer. Ninety percent of the time, it's like easily
corralled by the other team, and then there's that five
percent where there's one weird bounce but it's not that close.
And then there's that couple percent where it's kind of
up in the air, and then the one or two
two percent works recovered. Obviously, today at backfires because mac
Hollins is aggressive, takes it almost scores, and the Bills
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score a couple of plays later. I mean, that's that
final score. Forty eight forty two has to be one
of the more misleading scores I would say of the year,
because it would say that it was an exciting close game,
and for the most part, I did not feel that way.
(41:29):
Once you get a big lead and you're scoring every down,
you kind of start playing prevent, which is tough because
then the Lions are so elite at scoring and Jared
Goff is really good. When you don't hit Jared Goff,
he's gonna make you pay when you do hit him.
He's a lot like Kirk Cousins. He's a lot like
you know, any pocket quarterback. He's gonna be in trouble
(41:49):
because he can't add it, so he has to make
throws within in the pocket. Early in that game, Buffalo
is getting after his ass pretty sure. They sacked him
three times in the first half, definitely a couple and
they were just hitting him and he kind of turned
into old average Jared Goff. And then as the game
goes on, I don't have the numbers in front of me,
but start playing prevent not being as aggressive, and he
(42:10):
starts slicing, dicing you one. He made some great plays,
I mean the touchdown he threw to Saint Brown over
a couple defender's head. Saint Brown just took it with sweet.
But Josh Allen was a man amongst points. And listen,
everyone is on their knee circle Jerk and Ben Johnson.
It's like, this guy's the greatest coordinator since Andy Reid,
(42:33):
who actually looks really slim by the way, Coach Reid.
Coach look at Coach Reid. The tweet or the instagram
that the Chiefs put out about his postgame, Andy looks great.
You know, Bill Walsh, Mike Shanahan equals Kyle sh Ben Johnson.
It's like lest Ben Johnson is good. We have seen
a lot of coordinators over the years be good as
an offensive coordinator. There is absolutely zero guarantee that any
(42:56):
of that translates. Pat Shermer was the offensive coordinat for
the Minnesota Vikings with case Keenum and they were awesome
on offense. How's that work out when he became the
head coach? So this notion that he's some locke to
be some awesome guy the way he's talked about, it's
just not the way coaching works. But why don't we
say the same thing about Joe Brady. I'm watching Joe
(43:17):
Brady Ken Dorsey gets fired last year. Ever since je
Brady's taken over, their running game with Cook has been awesome.
Josh Allen, you could argue, not just this year, but
even like the last couple games of last year, best
player in the NFL. And I never hear his name
mentioned at all. Same thing with like Liam Cohen the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the same thing everyone, and listen,
(43:39):
I get it. A lot of these media guys they
love Raheem Morris, like Raheem Morris because you know McVeigh
and his little cronies and they all kind of like
they hype guys up. And I get it, like if
you know a guy, totally understand hyping him up. But
like that fucking thing's a disaster. Even if they win
tomorrow against the Raiders, there's still a game back at
Tampa Bay, who more than likely are going to win
(44:02):
that division and be in the playoffs again. No one
ever talks about Todd Bowles, no one ever. All I
heard is Raheem Morris. For six months, I've never heard
anyone mentioned Todd Bowles name one. It is amazing. And
this happens during the draft as well. In this business
in football, what hype does for you when you get
the hype machine behind your hype machine and listen, I'll
(44:25):
say this about Ben Johnson's been doing it for a
couple of years at a high level, so it's deserved hype.
But people talk about when he gets a job, it's
a lock to work. That's just not the way it works.
But some guys like it's impossible. What do you have
to do to get anyone to mention Liam Cullen's name.
It's hard to ever find anyone to be like, you
know what, Mike McCarthy's pretty good at his job. Mike
mcarthy called good place. Mike McCarthy's a good offensive mind.
(44:48):
I never hear anyone say.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
That, you know, Todd Bowles pretty good, doing a pretty
good job, head coach, pretty impressive, just deaf, like you
can't hear anything but it's happening.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
This is one of my favorite stories. Is on Thursday.
Jay Glazer reported today that John Lynch, so sometimes when
a guy gets injured during a game, the trainer or
someone down on the field will text up to the
GM and let him know so and so sprained ankle
out for the games, or just update him clearly. Someone
(45:25):
during the game, potentially at halftime updates John Lynch, like
de and Andre Campbell, will not enter the game. John
Lynch comes down to the sideline, confronts de Andre Campbell,
starts calling him out, and eventually when he went to
the locker room. This Jay Glazer's reporting John Lynch, Jay's
(45:48):
good buddies with John told him to leave and something
in the NFL like listen most competitive lot of Money
online industries, people are gonna yell at each other. I
kind of like that, Like sometimes you should be a
little uncomfortable in situations high achievement, Like people should be
on your ass. I want people on my ass. It's
(46:08):
like part of the way the world works. People should
be a little edgy. It's part of life. But in football,
most of those people, like bosses in the real world,
are kind of small nerds, right. They're not a threat
to beat you up. They might be a threat to
fire you. They might be a threat to make you
pack up your office and leave, which sucks and makes
everyone angry and makes you want to fight the guy,
(46:30):
but don't end up fighting the guy, and that guy
is never gonna fight you. But in football, think how
often how many guys on a sideline, even if the
head coach isn't how many former players are on his sideline.
And think about front offices. And I saw it with scouts.
A lot of former players are in front offices. A
(46:50):
lot of former players or even just former college players
are general managers. And John Lynch is a Hall of fame.
Ask kicking safety, Like, you kind of got to be
a little crazy to do these jobs. Now, not everyone
like Howie Roseman ain't fighting Jalen Carter and listen, I'm
not even saying John Lynch would have won the Devandre.
(47:12):
But like, part of being good at this job is
not just about having the intellectual capacity, being smart, being aggressive,
being good at football, being good with people like you
gotta be a little fucking nuts. And I remember hearing
stories when I got to Philly about Andy and a
former offensive lineman getting into a shoving match. This is,
(47:33):
you know, twenty years ago in uh well, before I
even got there, and listen, and he never played in
the NFL. But Andy just had a big, dude, agile
former offensive lineman at BYU and a lot of these
I remember meeting Jason light for the first time in person,
Like dude played college football. Like these guys are big,
these Odsie do some Hall of Famer like this gotta
(47:54):
be a little nuts And I just love that. And yeah,
I just thought it was a cool story. Other than that,
a couple of big NFL injuries before we get out
of here. Listen, I don't have any information beside what
has been tweeted out or Florio wrote or said. On
Sunday Night Football, TJ. Watt foot sprain. If he misses
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several games, like they'd be in major trouble. They play
the Ravens here in five days or six days, then
they play on Christmas. So if his status is in
jeopardy for these games, like they ain't winning games without
this guy. This guy is equivalent to their team like
a quarterback. Even the day he makes so many play
(48:40):
he is so good, you kind of realize that if
you're a Cowboy fan, when Michael leaves is like there's
a big hole when that guy's gone, And sometimes like
is micaeh that good? Can he play the run? Then
he comes back, you're like, holy shit, we miss this guy.
If he has to miss these two games, it could
be the biggest It could be the difference, you know,
in the divisi all of a sudden they're a wild
(49:01):
card team and they would be in trouble. Obviously, if
he was out for the season, they would immediately be
done and they would be one and done in the playoffs.
Certain same thing like that would be a devastating injury
for the Broncos who got it him, who had a
very very impressive win the day against a quarterback who
you know, like I say, all the time, can't hit
water if he was in the middle of the ocean
(49:21):
in a boat. It just truly is an atrocious thrower
of the football, not in terms of velocity, but in
terms of accuracy, has no clue where it's going. Certain
who had an I wouldn't say an awesome pick, just
a good pick, broke off a route, picked it off
pretty easily, had to be kind of helped off the field.
If he has to miss substantial time, that's like their
ceiling and listen, their ceiling fully healthy might just be
(49:43):
one playoff victory. If he's gone that that would be
a huge, huge blow. Obviously. The Lions like kind of
feels like they're at the point of diminishing returns, Like
eventually you get to the point like things crack. I've
been driving around for like a week with this thing
flashing in my car about this break situation. I just
hadn't had time to go to the dealership. I've also
(50:06):
been on the fence like it's just time to get
a new car when I'm at the dealership, But I
just I just hadn't had time yet. And I'm just
hoping like it's something involved in my breaks, like my
breaks just all of a sudden, don't work. When I'm
driving down the highway and all of a sudden you
see a tweet like, you know, former podcaster John Middlecoff
has perished because his breaks went out and he flew
off the side of the road. You know, That's kind
(50:26):
of what I'm hoping, and that's why I need to
go to the dealership either Monday or Tuesday. But that's
what it feels like with a Lions like you can
lose a couple of players if you have some good
backups and if your offense is good enough. But I
don't know. It just kind of just feels like enough's enough,
And it kind of feels over Mahomes, who said after
the game that he doesn't even know if he'll be
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able to go this week, obviously because it's a Saturday
game and then he plays a Wednesday game. I think
based on the way he was talking, and there's a
chance he could miss the next two games. The great
part is they got a little lead. He just win
one of these next two games, they'd be fine. Now
could they do that with Carson Wentz? I don't know,
but I know this. If there is any question about
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Carson Wentz. I have a hard time seeing him play Saturday,
because it'd be an easy one, like, hey, don't play Saturday,
We'll hold you to Wednesday. So basically, instead of getting
you know, a week off missing a game, you know,
you get ten days off or nine days off and
you just start preparing for the Christmas Day game against
(51:28):
the Steelers. I could see if he's legitimately not out,
like three weeks or something, but if it's like you know,
you'd be a game time decision Saturday. I wonder if
they just say, hey, we'll get Carsonis start here on
Saturday against the Texans, and then we'll just kind of
give you the week you start preparing for the Steelers
on Tuesday or Wednesday, almost like a playoff situation. I
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wonder if that's in play, and that's where they really
benefit from winning all these closed games, because I think
it'd be a lot different if they were tied with
the Bills or even just had a one game lead
with the Bills, Because I think it's pretty easy if
you're Andy and this is probably the right move. The
Bills are not going to lose another game. I think
that's how you would approach it. The Bills are winning out,
(52:12):
so they're gonna have three losses. We got one, so
we can afford to lose one more game, could we
just hey, maybe Carson could. It's not like the Texans
are world beers right now, and the Steelers who knows,
now what if TJ's out? You know, with picking status,
they got some major question marks. They're leaking a little will,
so these major injuries are definitely something to keep an
(52:33):
eye on. Appreciate everyone listening, have a great day, and
we will talk soon. The volume
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