December 17, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin examines the Bears after their 8th straight loss and the one thing they can do to turn everything around next season and maximize the talents of QB Caleb Williams. He ranks the top 10 teams in the NFL after week 15 with one NFC team making a surprise appearance in the top 5. He also talks to 2-time Super Bowl champ Eric Bieniemy about his time coaching with the Chiefs and working with Patrick Mahomes
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go to Tuesday. Lots to talk about live
in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. One hour from now, The Herd
Hierarchy Nick right today, Ericbnemy in studio. Can't wait to
talk to Eric Bnemy, Maholmes and the Reid Belichick in college.
(00:48):
Can't wait for that in a couple of hours. Jmac,
I don't even want to talk about Raiders Falcons. I'll
bury that one. Why not eight people watched it? But
I think what we watched last you could eat in
the body language. It was visual, it was obvious. The
Chicago Bears are a broken franchise. Okay, Vikings, We'll get
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to that in a bit, but This is a broken
franchise in Chicago. The ownership, bottom three team president, a
young general manager, hit and miss if he left fine,
if he stayed, okay, coaching staff, none of it works,
none of it. Yeah, they got some decent players. The
Jets have all sorts of good players. They're four and ten.
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And Caleb Williams, who was privately concerned before the draft
but didn't want to be a bad guy. This was
his nightmare. They have no leadership top down. By the way,
how do you fix it? Well, the only way to
fix it go to the Chargers, who also had a
really good young quarterback, hit a handful of really really
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good players, and they went and stopped screwing around and
finally paid big money for a coach fifteen year, fifteen
million dollars a year, Jim Harbaugh. And they have not
regretted a second of it. They had a bad culture why,
most notably they had a coach, Brandon Staley, that was
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completely over his skis just like the Bear staff. You
can't blame Thomas Brown. I mean, he's had three different
parking spots in the organization in four weeks. They keep
moving him up the food chain and he's not ready
for this stuff. He'll be fine, he'll have a nice career.
There is only one answer to this. It's Mike Vrabel.
That's it. There're no other answers, no more lightweights, no
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more coordinators. This lift is too big. Even with Vrabel.
I'm not sure it can solve everything. But this is
an organization and frankly a city that's very, very political,
and the only times in the history of Chicago sports
or politics that you've ever had great success is with strong,
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defiant leadership. Look at the history of the city sports.
You had theo Epstein all right, and Mike Ditka, all right.
You start looking around from politics to sports. That's Chicago's answer.
Vrabel's it. There's nobody else out there. There's nobody else,
no college guys, no lightweight coordinators. The job's too big.
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And like the Chargers, the Chargers at least, that's why
I think this is a big lift. I'm not sure
if Vrabel consultant. The Chargers have always been good at quarterback.
I mean it was Dan Fount who I grew up watching,
Breeze Rivers, Herbert. They've always been high octane, fun to watch,
and it's not like the Spanos family. They had a
reputation as being frugal. They weren't crazy, they weren't meddling,
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they were frugal. They no longer are. They finally just
said sometimes in life you just have to admit I
got to get out of the way. And the Spanos
family said, you know what, We're giving it to Harbaugh.
And Harbaugh's going to build a staff and he's going
to call the DC the general manager. And they just
got out of the way and it works, and that's
the only way to do it. I think this is
a much bigger lift, much much bigger lift than the
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Chargers job. Like when they hired Harball, we all kind
of knew, oh yeah, I go in ten eleven games,
they may make the playoffs and they're going to Okay,
we could feel that, but this one is the division
is really good with really good coaches. You could have
had Cliff Kingsbury, you couldn't get out of the way.
You could have had Harball, Kevin Warren couldn't get out
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of the way. There is only one way to solve
this thing. I mean, you won the Bryce Young trade
and you're only one game better than Carolina and it
was the steal of the decade. So it's not and
it's just not a quarterback thing. And let me give
you an example. And I and for the television audience,
you'll understand this radio is a little harder to follow.
But if you look at every division in football not
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named the AFC, South Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Kansas City, Rams, Tampa, Detroit,
Phil Washington, I can argue all have either the best owner,
the best front office, or both. It's not just the
quarterback and coach, although they are really important. It all
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starts upstairs. Bills, owner, front office excellent, Lions front office excellent,
Kansas City all of the above, Washington flushed, all the
losers out have much better people in Rams, Stan Kronk
less need like it's just a scouting department. You can
just keep blaming coaches, you can keep running around. This
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organization is broken. Vrabel is the only answer. I feel
bad for Caleb Williams, but this is what he was
worried about privately out here in Los Angeles. My people
connected to him said, you're not going to be a
bad guy, but man, look at their history. They've never
had a four thousand yard passing quarterback. That's why I
said the Chargers are a little bit. You can kind
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of look at the Chargers and go, well, look what
they did. They got out of the way and got hardball.
But the Chargers had never been this dysfunctional. They just
lost a bunch of close games. They always developed quarterbacks,
They had a bunch of good players in the ownership
group was not meddling. I don't know if you can
fix Chicago. Some things are unfixable. Vrabel's the only answer.
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Here's Caleb after it's been frustrating and encouraging. The frustrating
part is, obviously we were on a.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Coming games now eight yeah, eight game losing streak, and
that's not, like I said before, It's new to me.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I haven't experienced anything like this.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So their encouraging part is how much we fight as
a team.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Okay, so let's just talk about the Vikings again. Raiders Falcons.
I can't put that in the first segment. So Sam Donald,
Minnesota has a tough decision. I would franchise Sam Donald,
keep him around. But they brought Daniel Jones in, they
drafted JJ McCarthy. It is likely that they're gonna let
Sam Darnold become you know, a free agent. And here's
what's really interesting. I love Donald. You know that, first
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of all, his success is a total indictment on the
Jets in Carolina. I mean Aaron Rodgers' career since you
went to New York Circle the toilet. Okay, So Sam
Darnold is only twenty seven years old. So somebody's going
to get a very good quarterback in his prime, big strong, mobilemaker, playmaker,
coachable kid. Here's the thing, though, You're not gonna get
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this good of a Sam Donald, because you know, I
don't even have to tell you this coaching is not
even in this league. I mean it the gap between
a McVeigh and a Kevin O'Connell, Andy Reid, Sean Payton offensively,
and the rest of the league or most of the
rest of the league is the Grand Canyon. All that said,
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you're not gonna get Kevin O'Connell, You're not getting Justin Jefferson,
you're not getting Jordan Addison. The old line is underrated
it this is a perfect scenario for Sam. And I
look around at all the teams that could get Sam
Darnald and I'm like, ugh, ugh, there's one exception. There's
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one exception, the Indianapolis Colts. Anthony Richardson's had fourteen starts.
He completes fifty percent of his throws. It's a hard decision.
Sometimes you just got to say it's not working. The
Colts roster, like the Vikings, above average. Colts have good receivers,
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not Justin Jefferson, good receivers. They're on line top ten
to twelve in the league. Their defense, go ask bow
Nicks and Sean Payton. Their defense had the game won.
Jonathan Taylor had a goofy decision and fumbled away the game,
but he's an excellent running back. There is one place
where Sam Darnald can go, and it's gonna look closest
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to this. It's in the winnable AFC South. It's not
a great ownership division. Even in Indie. It is wonky
and winnable, and you'll get about eighty five percent. You
don't get a Justin Jefferson. You're not getting him all right,
that he is just different. But I'm watching this last
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night and I think they've got a very tough decision
to make. But he's only twenty seven years old. Sam's
got three to four years prime. That'll be the length
of his contract, and I think Minnesota's gonna let him go.
I think I try to franchise him, but if they don't,
coaching in this league is not even. But going from
Kevin O'Connell to the Colt Shane Steichen, that's as well
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as Sam Donald can do. Michael Pittman, he played with
him at USC, good old line, nice roster, Sam Donald, Colts,
you would get the closest version of Vikings Sam Donald.
I don't think Minnesota is a super Bowl team, but
I do think. I do think what you're seeing between
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Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold is this rebirth of really
talented quarterbacks, and it is an indictment of the Cleveland Browns.
It is an indictment for both of them. With Carolina,
it's an indictment of the Jets. Ownership, GMing. Coaching is
not close to equal in this league. So Donald's gonna
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either keep flourishing for the Vikings or potentially flourish for
the Colts. And I folks, if you watch Denver and
the Colts, Bo Nicks is right out of college second half.
That's an NFL franchise quarterback. Colts don't have one. Took
a swing, young kid. Nice kid doesn't work. J Mack.
We got so many things going on today, so many
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things with I think people have finally come to terms
with Tua in Miami. You know, for years people pushed
back when we offered, when we suggested that Tua winning
in January in the AFC was fools gold little pushback
on the two of train this way. Wait, cow heard.
You know, I thought you were onto something with the
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Sam Darnold to the Colts.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I was just looking at it. Have fifty million CAPSPCE.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I kind of liked that move.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Fifty million capsman, you follow it up with two of
the problem. You think two of the problem in Miami. No,
I got like a million problems. I will just say,
and I'm watching Minnesota last night and I'm watching this weekend.
Colts have fifty million cap space. They got the roster. Yeah,
Denver was getting hammered at home, and Denver's a playoff team.
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They were getting unrest hammered at home with a Hall
of Fame coach. One team just needs a quarterback. Because
I looked at the six teams that'll go after Donald today,
it's five disasters and one. I think they could turn
in Minnesota very quickly. Okay, we got a lot of
stuff going on, you know, Eric b Enemy and Nick Wright.
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Speaker 4 (13:25):
Time is now. Let's go the top ten.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
NFL teams according to College number ten.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay, I gotta admit I'm kind of proud. Denver Broncos
tied for number one scoring defense in the entire league
lead the NFL in sacks. They did not play well
and won. They got out played by the Colts. They
won four straight games. Bow Nicks is still in the
growth period. But I said before the season, I did
not buy they were a bad team. Sean Payton's one
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of the best coaches of my life. Bow Nicks had
sixty one college starts, Mims, Courtland, Sutton, Patrick Sertan. They
got real dudes Denver at ten, number nine, the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. I may have them low. I'm telling you
I wouldn't want to play this team. The Chargers hadn't
allowed over thirty points in the game. Tampa went in
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scored forty easy. And I'm telling you Baker Mayfield, now
third in the NFL with thirty two touchdown passes, be
very concerned about facing a team that can win by
shootouts or win ugly, and that's what they can do.
You can't run on them. Yet this roster can run
on you. This is a weird team. Todd Bowles, who's
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a really wonderful guy and an excellent defensive coach, is
proving you can get out of the way and let
the offense be the offense. I got Tampa nine, number eight,
Minnesota seven game winning streak. They are seven to one
and one score games. I think a lot of the
story here beyond Darnold is Kevin O'Connell, who they call
the Tonnell Sean McVay. I think Kevin O'Connell is superb.
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And their defense Brian Flores number two against the run,
number three in takeaways. Brian Flores deserves another job. He
does because I don't think their defensive personnel is nearly
as good is their defensive production. I think it's fine.
The production is great. I think Flores deserves another gig.
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Minnesota Day number seven. The Ravens. Listen. They have five
losses by a combined twenty two points. A lot of
it's been special teams. It's the best run offense in
the league. I am rooting so hard for Lamar to
do something in the playoffs because I don't buy this
thing that he's not a great pocket quarterback. He is now.
I do think Jmax touched on something yesterday. Dereck Henry's
productions come down a bit. These are long seasons running backs.
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You're seeing JK. Dobbins, Dereck Henry, Montgomery with the Lions.
This is a rough sport. They're the last unprotected offensive player.
I have the Ravens at seven.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Number six.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I'm gonna move Detroit down to six. And I'm not
sure they are six. They've given up seventy nine points
in two weeks. And it's not because the coaching's bad.
They're running out of players. The defense has one takeaway
in the last four games. Everybody moves the ball on them.
They have eighteen players on the ir again, they can
only win now in shootouts. I think green Bay this
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morning is the better team, and I obviously Detroit has
beaten green Bay, but I have the lines at six.
Number five, you do not want to play the Rams.
They are now healthy, no turnovers, no sacks allowed in
two games. This offensive line is winning games seven and
two since the bye. Okay, and when Stafford's got a
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healthy Pooka Nakua, seventeen touchdowns, four picks, Kyron Williams, Stafford
haven Stein, Cooper Cup, Pooka Nakua, Sean McVay. You don't
want to face them. They are hot and feeling it.
Number four, Buffalo, listen, their defense is an issue. I
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know your fall in love with Josh Allen, Folks. Detroit
went up and down the field. The Rams went up
and down the field. Their defense ranks twenty second now
their fifth in takeaways. So they'll take the ball away.
And I love Josh Allen two, but he's had like
nine hundred yards in two games and they lost one
of them. You're not winning in February with this defense.
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They had got to get healthier. I think they're getting
wrapped back. They're getting some of their back end back,
but they are not good enough defensively. Number three the Packers.
They're hot, they're healthy, and they are now a power
run team. That game in Seattle, they turned the lights
out on that thing after two drives. Eight and two
since the start of October. Now, both losses were to
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the Lions because the Lions have a better team, but
they don't today. I love Green Bay when they hold
opponents under twenty five. They're nine to one. And I
think Matt Lafleur is on a short list of one
of the most underrated coaches in the league. Remember when
he was at Tennessee, his reputation was he likes to
lead with the run. He had Derrick Henry in Green Bay.
This is his offense and his team. This is what
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Matt Lafleur knows. He is a run first. He's got
a lot of Sean mcvahan, Shanahan, he likes the run game.
Green Bay at three number two. Listen, Mahomes is banged up.
This team is still ten to zero in games decided
by a touchdown or less. They still have the best
coach arguably ever. Mahomes probably sits this weekend against Houston,
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and then he'll be fine. I do worry about offensive tackle.
I just they're not going to be great at it.
Just keep your eye on this team. They're getting Hollywood
brown back. I think the best of Kansas City will
be the version in about you know, ten days when
Patrick Mahomes returns.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
The most dysfunctional great team in sports. Philadelphia a ten
game winning streak, with their coach getting in fights with
assistant coaches. I mean, everything they do screams bad organization,
and yet all they do is win. They fire super
Bowl winning coaches. I Philadelphia's wild is Nick Sirianni a
good coach. Did you see that defensive line coach getting
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in his way? Would you do that with like Andy Reid?
Would you do that with Sean Payton? I mean, like
Philadelphia breaks every rule in pro football. They fire winning coaches.
They let go of Andy Reid, The coaches screaming at
fans draw in the locker room, players calling out the
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team on radio, and they win and they're loaded. This
roster is stacked. There's the Herd hierarchy. I like green
Bay a lot. I know you're shaking your head at
green Bay, aren't you didn't Buffalo beat case like I
don't know three weeks ago, and Buffalo's defense now is worse.
I think you're right on green Bay. I actually like
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this except for Casey at two. There's no shot. I
don't even know if i'd have top seven. Oh that's interesting.
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Speaker 1 (20:07):
Well. Eric Benemy has had an amazing career up for
the Heisman as a running back at Colorado. That was
the last time Colorado was great, really truly great. Two
times Super Bowl champ as a coordinator with Andy Reid,
ten full seasons with the Chiefs, and he is in studio.
He was at UCLA last year. So I got so
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many things. I want to start with the big picture
on Mahomes. So he comes from you know, Texas Tech.
His dad was a major league player. Did they let
you in on him before they drafted in. Had you
heard in the building there was a young kid, give
me and I'm trying to figure out the timeline because
they had Matt Nagy was there and then Eric Benemy
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and I'm trying to find figure out exactly when you
were there. But take me through your kind of chronological
order with Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Okay, So, and foremost coaching out there in Kansas City.
We're in the Big twelve country, so seeing Texas Tech
play every single weekend. And one thing, you know, uh,
we had a great staff. I mean we had Brett
Veach on staff as a GM. Obviously he was under
my man. Oh it was the original John Dorsey. He
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was under Dorsey and so you know, we had a
lot of guys Chris Ballard and the talk of the
town was always you know, have you guys seen these
throws that this kid has made?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And we will watch the games.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
We got caught up in Big twelve football obviously, just
watching what Pat was doing, and so we got enamored
with him. We watched him grow as a player while
we were coaching, because everybody was a fan of football,
and so just watching him and seeing all the things
that he brought to the table.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
We all were kind of on kind of end on it.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Chris Ballad was probably the lead scout at the point,
on that point in time exactly. He loved him, loved him,
absolutely loved him. I think everybody in the building fell
in love with him. Now, did we think that we
would have a chance of getting him. No, But it's
amazing how things worked out. And obviously it's been. It's
been history being made right before you eyes. The kid
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is an unbelievable kid. He takes absolutely nothing for granted
and you just love him as a person and as
a competitor.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So let's go to the first camp with Mahomes. Yes,
so you had the Alex Smith, who's a wonderful guy. Yes,
And were there moments did you drive home after a
practice or three, and was there a moment for you
an epiphany when you're like, oh boy, this is different.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Let me say this, so with all due respect to Alex, Okay,
we love Alex. Alex was a great quarterback. Here's one
thing Alex did. Alex provided a blueprint for Pat Mahomes
to follow. Because first and foremost, Alex was a come early,
state late guy. He was very professional, He's very diligent, right,
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and everything that he did. Uh, he took the game series,
he studied, he was a film junkie. So those are
some of the things that you know, as an example
of seeing I know the player do it helped Patrick
to grow Now watching Patrick and don't get me wrong,
every young quarterback has their struggles every now and then,
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but there were certain throws that you're seeing practice and like,
oh my goodness, did you see that? And we'll just
sit there, yes, like wait a minute, did you see
that throw? And so there will always be those moments
and then you just knew you had something special. And
then uh, he had that opportunity to start up against Denver.
I want to say it was the last game of
the season that particular year, and he went out and
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he did this thing and not to anybody surprise, here
we are, you know, years later looking at him and
still watching him excel and all the little things that
a lot of people in that he can do because
he came from an air raid offense.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So obviously Andy Reid is a great play caller and
play designer. You've worked with a lot of good coaches.
Bobby Ross, what is the secret sauce if you were
to take. If I said, Eric, you get a head
coaching job, take one thing from Andy Reid His what's
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the structure, the foundational piece of Andy that makes him
arguably the best coach ever?
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I think more than anything, it's probably the consistency. He's
a consistent individual. The Andy Reid that you see today
is the same Andy Reid that I played for in
nineteen ninety nine. The thing that I love about Coach
Read is that.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
He's very stern. He expects you to be very professional.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
He expects all his coaches to be an expert at
their positions. He expects his players to work hard. He
expects them to be at their best when the best
is needed. And there's always a culture of account of ability.
And when you have all that and you combined it together,
now you see the consistent winning performance that just takes
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place throughout the course of the years. And so the
thing that I love about Coach Read is that he's
provided that. And then on top of it, I got
to add one more thing. He's not afraid of change.
He's not afraid of you know, and that does not
fear him.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
He wants to make sure that whatever needs to be done.
Whatever we need to do to win.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
And then you can obviously see that's been a theme
of this season. It doesn't matter what the score is.
When it's all saying done with you're being measured. It
ain't about the numbers, It ain't about the stats. You're
being measured by two alphabets, the W or the L.
And they've found a way to be thirteen and one
right now, and everybody wants to talk about what they
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haven't done. But I'll say this, it's hard winning thirteen
games in the season, let alone being thirteen and one
at this particular point.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Credits coach Reat.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, so you looked at all these quarterbacks coming out,
Jaden Daniels and bow Nicks and Caleb Williams and Michael
Pennox and JJ McCarthy. I thought Caleb was the most
talented at UCLA. You know the USC program. Well this
year you faced I think it was Miller bought no
the UNLV kid at the end when you watch Caleb
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struggling in Chicago. How do they get it right? What's
the first step?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Well, I think more than anything, it's about the culture
in the atmosphere. So you want to make sure that
the kid is in a right culture, meaning you have
to build it around him. If you're going to draft
the franchise quarterback, you got to make sure that. And
I'm not trying to step on anybody, so's a place
any judgment on anything. I think Ryan Poe's has done
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a great job, you know Ryan. Yes, Ryan is a
very good friend, and I've known him for a number
of years because we spent a number of years in
Kansas City. But you want to make sure that you're
building that organization, that program around him.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Everything benefits him exactly, and everything always starts and ends
up front, So you got to build it with those
guys and defensive coach, and that that worried me.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
And so I'm not into who's doing hiring and all
the firing, but one thing I do know, anytime you're
drafting a franchise quarterback, you got to surround it with
the right people.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
You got to make sure the right people are in
his ear.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
You got to do the things that he likes and
feels comfortable with, and then you start branching out and
developing him and teaching him other things.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Along the way. And so, yes, the kid is special.
He's a dynamic.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Football player, but it starts with a culture and having
this opportunity to coach in the number of AFC championship
games and being on a super Bowl winning team.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It starts and ends up top. It starts with.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Family, the beach, to everybody.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
You know, and when you're in the first class organization
and with first class people, you know everything is done
the right way. Where there be mistakes made along the way,
sure yes they will, but it always starts up top,
and you want to surround your quarterback with the right
people that's going to help him to develop and grow.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So Belichick's going to college, My take is he is
building a pro model college. College athletic departments can be
high maintenance. People are very parochial. They have their space,
and Belichick's coming in with his NFL guys and he's like, yeah,
I'm not going to volleyball matches. And my take is
(28:44):
its bills smart. But he's a pro coach, and you're
a pro coach and you went to UCLA. If you
could give him what was the first shocking thing? And again,
Kansas City is a well run pro football operation. The
first thing if you if you could whisper for one
thing to build. Hey, be careful about blind What would
(29:04):
you say?
Speaker 6 (29:05):
The only thing that, if anything, that I disliked or
about the college game is the lack of time that
we have to teach. And so I pride myself on
being a teacher. And you know there's a twenty hour rule.
You only get so much time trying to deal with
young men. And it's always have felt that it is
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our duty as coaches to make sure that if there's
a player that's special enough, it's our responsibility of making
sure we're providing this kid with all the necessary tools
that's going to give him the best opportunity to play
early in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
He's talented enough.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Eric b enemy for our radio audience. And here's the thing.
That's why the NFL is it's the great scheme league
for coaches. College is the recruiting league. Yes, you can
only do you can only layer a college kid with
so much. Yes, you only get twenty hours. So Belichick
is not a recruiters scheme geniuses. And that's why Andy
Reid in college would probably be exhausted by having to
(30:05):
go to San Bernardino and look at a receiver instead
of teaching them his plays, and so I feel he's
gonna be Now are you surprised because you're a former
Colorado great? Are you surprised by Colorado has no money
like they're like you see it like not a lot
of dollars there for nil? Are you surprised at the
success that he has had, Dion, not at all?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
I tell you what, knowing Rick George and knowing everything
that Rick George wanted ad Yes, exactly. Rick George is
a great friend of mine, very close friend. He was
there when we played in the National Championships era, but
him in primetime as they hit it off really and yes,
they hit it off, and there's.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
A nucleus, there's a bond.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
So I thought Rick, first of all, deond to the
heck of a job is selling his vision to Rick.
But on top of that, you can see the vision
coming through because Deon did great job of basically helping
those young men to go out there and be successful.
But on top of that, just building a competitive program
by building it with the right people.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I thought you did a great job.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Hey, Travis Hunter, I plan at corner as a former
offensive coordinator in the NFL for years. Here's my concern.
You can't be a part time receiver. It's a timings position. Yes,
So what would you do. You're a coordinator and you
get Travis Hunter and he's like, hey, coach, I want
to do some offense and returning. But he's an elite
(31:33):
Sauce Gardner level corner. How would you integrate him into
some of the offense. I don't think he can be
your number one receiver in your number one corner, but
if you had to, you only got him for half
the practice. What do you do?
Speaker 6 (31:46):
So, first and foremost, congratulations with Travis Hunter on winning Heisman.
Troll is great, the second Heisman Trophy winner in the
history of Colorado football, so outstanding. Second of all, I
had to answer this question biasedly because, and don't get
me wrong, I think the kid is a tremendous athlete.
I'm selfish. I'm on the office side of the ball.
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I want him to play receiver for me and so.
But because I watch all the dynamic things that the
kid does. He's a he makes dynamic catch. I would
use him just like I would use any other players
that play jet sweeps, certain routes. I mean the kid
is he can run, he has an unbelievable hand and
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eye coordination. He can track the football, he can come
out in and out of his breaks, he transitions well.
I mean, the kid is a great football player, and
obviously he's one of the best because of the numbers
that have shown. But on top of that, the trophy
speaks for itself. But the kid is also a competitive kid.
And don't get me wrong, I think the kid is
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a dynamic college football I think the kid could be
an outstanding receiver and so. But you got to pick
a shoe aside. In my opinion, it's just my humble opinion.
You got to take a side, yes, because it takes away,
it takes now. He could be a dynamic, great corner.
Just like you said, he does have those skills and
ability to be the next time.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know what, here's my takeaway on that air. It's
an offensive league. A lot of bad teams. The Jets
have great corners, but if you have dual weapons like
the Rams, it's it's it's an offensive league. Yes, a
corner has limitations. Patrick certain is unbelievable, Yes, but it's
Sean Payton the offense, the left tackle. I just think
(33:36):
if I had I think he's going to be a
better corner than a receiver. But I think receivers more
valuable now than a great corner.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Because you can design and get him involved in the
game early and often, okay, and that's the beauty of it.
Whereas he's having an opportunity to touch the.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Football twelve fifteen times, great.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Things can happen.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
And so you would implement him in your in your
in your office.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Arel. So a year ago people were lamenting that running
backs they're never gonna get paid. You were a running back,
and they're never gonna get paid. And now here's Derrick
Henry and you're watching Green Bay now, Josh Jacobs, that's
a power run team. Detroit's a power run team. Baltimore
is a power run team. So rams with Kyron Williams. Yes,
So why do you think in the last year Saquon Barkley,
(34:21):
it seems like Eric there is a little bit of
a pivot back to the running back.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Why this game has a way of beast cyclical. Everything
that you think was outdated, it seems to come right back.
One thing that I've always have known, you throw the ball, Okay,
to win you throw the ball to win football games.
To score touchdowns a right, but you got to run
(34:47):
it to win a championship. What is all saying done
with the game is still one upfront, all right, whether
it's the old lion or the defensive line.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
If you can run.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
The ball, it takes so much pressure off the quarter.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Also, at each claw it eats clock. You get into
these close late games. That's what Josh Allen has never had.
Until James Cook, he had leads. They couldn't eat the clock.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Up because it becomes a game of possessions. And so
if you're taking care of the football ball security, you're
running the ball, it limits the opponent and so it
limits the opponent's opportunities. But on top of that, it
applies pressure to that team because now they feel forced
to be perfect to drive the ball to late of
the field to.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Go out and put points on the board.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
But when it's all sitting done with, those teams that
are doing a great job of running the ball, those
are gonna be teams that are gonna be wrecking with
come playoff time because they're hard to stop. And then
you watch what they're doing up in Green Bay, I
mean with that cold weather, you know, running the ball
as efficiently as they are. I mean, you're watching Philly
do what they do. But this year has been fun
(35:53):
watching all these guys do what they have done.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
And then if you.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Look at it, it's about four or five other guys
that are on the cusp of rushing over a thousand yards.
You know, this year may be an all time high
as far as yeah, you know thousand.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Rushers right now, with one thousand plus rushing yards last year,
one player think about that. I also think about this.
As the game got more perimeter based, safeties got smaller,
so did linebackers, and I think the good coaches went
time out. We got two hundred and fourteen pound linebackers,
and then the game most of these running backs low
(36:30):
center of gravity guys. They're punishing running back Kyraen Williams.
You can't get a hit on. You can't, So I
think it's sick little to your point, the safeties and
linebackers got smaller and rangier, but not as physical.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yes, because here's what happens. So once upon a time,
defensive schemes were scheming up Tom Brady and the New
England Patriots on how to stop those guys. You think
about all the receivers, so guys got naturally smaller, so
you're primarily playing with your nickel personnel. So same thing
with the Kana City Chiefs, the evolution of Patrick Mahomes.
(37:02):
Teams are lining up trying to take away all the
different receiving threats that you have on the perimeter, which
leads for what a light box. So now you have
an opportunity to run it even more so, and you
think about some of those guys that are running the
ball as efficiently as they are. Look at the players
that are playing quarterback as well. There's also guys out
(37:22):
on the perimeter. So now it's like little checks and
balances because you have to be able to defend the run.
But on top of that, now now you get matchups
on the perimeter where you get one on one battles
where guys are going to have opportunities now to make
more plays efficiently down the field by making the big
throw off for play action passes.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Eric, the enemy is joining us. Before I let you go,
You've had opportunities to be a coach, You've interviewed. I mean,
it's a competitive world. Do you ever get frustrated some
people have thrown out a racial component. How does that
land for you? When you interview you don't get it.
The media appears to be like, give this guy a chance.
(38:04):
Is it hard on you and your family? How do
you view it? How does it land for you?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
I look at it as an opportunity to grow. I've
had a number of opportunities to sit down with a
number of teams, and I've come away with a lot
just sitting down having that experience talking to those particular teams.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
And the thing that you can do is I'm a competitor.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
The only thing that you can do is go back
to the drawing board, you know, and figure out what
can I do to make it better? You know, I
grew up in a culture of being a resilient person.
My mom have always taught me, Hey, you know, you
don't worry about the things you can't control. Worry about
what's next and how you're going to control that particular moment.
So when it's all sitting down with no you don't
(38:45):
think about the negative. The only thing that you build
upon is the positives. What are some of the things
that you can come away with after learning and going
through this experience, and how is it going to help
you moving forward. So those are the things that I
focus on, and that's that's what's important moving forward.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, I gotta ask you one more Yes, all your
years as a coordinator offensive coordinator, if I said to
you name the one defensive player you hated facing that,
you would look at the film and think, Okay, it's
gonna blow that. Because Chris Jones is one of those
guys that other coordinators look at. He'll move up, he'll
move all over the defensive line. Was there a guy
(39:24):
in this league you're doing this for ten years and
every time you faced him you thought, oh, headache.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
But there's probably a few of them. But one of
them that stands up, it's a young Von Miller. Von
was a.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Beast first three four years in the leagues.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
He was he was a beast.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh coach, so he was in he was in Denver. Yes,
how did you block him?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
We tried.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Now, in fact, it was a funny story too, because
first of all, I have the utmost respect for Von
You talking about a premiere pass rusher that also did
a great job in lining up and playing against the
rum this hey day. And that's not to take away
anything that he's doing now in Buffalo but that young kid,
he was so hard to block.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
You had to scheme around him.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
I remember we played him and had to be either
twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. He beats Mitch off y edge,
and Mitch probably is not going to like me saying yes,
Mitch was.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
He probably was Vaughn's toughest matchup because Mitch, Mitch was
a smart He was smart. He was very strategic with it.
He did a great job of timing up his pass sets.
But it was this one time he beats him, and
so he beats him around and Pat scrambles to his
left and Pat throws the ball with his left hand
(40:45):
and he completes it. And so in the heat of
the moment, now you got to understand, we're in a
two minute situation where we're trying to go down and
win the game. And so I'm sitting there and it's
a lot of chaos over the headsets. I'm like, damn,
did anybody see that?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (41:02):
I'm talking to Coach Reid and Coach Rees like, uh,
e b, you gotta call the play. You know, he
gives me the pay. You gotta call the play. I said,
did anybody see that.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Damn oh didn't he just made He was like, get
the play out, call the play.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
And so after I get the play called in, we
were like, yeah, we saw it.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
It was un and that was the play.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Vaughn just beat his guy.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Yes, but you're talking about a great player in this heyday,
I mean, unbelievable, hard to stop, you know, hard to
scheme around.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
As well, Eric being me pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Nice to meet you as well. Thank you for this
opportunity of course,
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go to Tuesday. Lots to talk about live
in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be
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Hierarchy Nick right today, Ericbnemy in studio. Can't wait to
talk to Eric Bnemy, Maholmes and the Reid Belichick in college.
(00:48):
Can't wait for that in a couple of hours. Jmac,
I don't even want to talk about Raiders Falcons. I'll
bury that one. Why not eight people watched it? But
I think what we watched last you could eat in
the body language. It was visual, it was obvious. The
Chicago Bears are a broken franchise. Okay, Vikings, We'll get
(01:10):
to that in a bit, but This is a broken
franchise in Chicago. The ownership, bottom three team president, a
young general manager, hit and miss if he left fine,
if he stayed, okay, coaching staff, none of it works,
none of it. Yeah, they got some decent players. The
Jets have all sorts of good players. They're four and ten.
(01:31):
And Caleb Williams, who was privately concerned before the draft
but didn't want to be a bad guy. This was
his nightmare. They have no leadership top down. By the way,
how do you fix it? Well, the only way to
fix it go to the Chargers, who also had a
really good young quarterback, hit a handful of really really
(01:55):
good players, and they went and stopped screwing around and
finally paid big money for a coach fifteen year, fifteen
million dollars a year, Jim Harbaugh. And they have not
regretted a second of it. They had a bad culture why,
most notably they had a coach, Brandon Staley, that was
(02:17):
completely over his skis just like the Bear staff. You
can't blame Thomas Brown. I mean, he's had three different
parking spots in the organization in four weeks. They keep
moving him up the food chain and he's not ready
for this stuff. He'll be fine, he'll have a nice career.
There is only one answer to this. It's Mike Vrabel.
That's it. There're no other answers, no more lightweights, no
(02:38):
more coordinators. This lift is too big. Even with Vrabel.
I'm not sure it can solve everything. But this is
an organization and frankly a city that's very, very political,
and the only times in the history of Chicago sports
or politics that you've ever had great success is with strong,
(03:01):
defiant leadership. Look at the history of the city sports.
You had theo Epstein all right, and Mike Ditka, all right.
You start looking around from politics to sports. That's Chicago's answer.
Vrabel's it. There's nobody else out there. There's nobody else,
no college guys, no lightweight coordinators. The job's too big.
(03:24):
And like the Chargers, the Chargers at least, that's why
I think this is a big lift. I'm not sure
if Vrabel consultant. The Chargers have always been good at quarterback.
I mean it was Dan Fount who I grew up watching,
Breeze Rivers, Herbert. They've always been high octane, fun to watch,
and it's not like the Spanos family. They had a
reputation as being frugal. They weren't crazy, they weren't meddling,
(03:47):
they were frugal. They no longer are. They finally just
said sometimes in life you just have to admit I
got to get out of the way. And the Spanos
family said, you know what, We're giving it to Harbaugh.
And Harbaugh's going to build a staff and he's going
to call the DC the general manager. And they just
got out of the way and it works, and that's
the only way to do it. I think this is
a much bigger lift, much much bigger lift than the
(04:11):
Chargers job. Like when they hired Harball, we all kind
of knew, oh yeah, I go in ten eleven games,
they may make the playoffs and they're going to Okay,
we could feel that, but this one is the division
is really good with really good coaches. You could have
had Cliff Kingsbury, you couldn't get out of the way.
You could have had Harball, Kevin Warren couldn't get out
(04:31):
of the way. There is only one way to solve
this thing. I mean, you won the Bryce Young trade
and you're only one game better than Carolina and it
was the steal of the decade. So it's not and
it's just not a quarterback thing. And let me give
you an example. And I and for the television audience,
you'll understand this radio is a little harder to follow.
But if you look at every division in football not
(04:53):
named the AFC, South Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Kansas City, Rams, Tampa, Detroit,
Phil Washington, I can argue all have either the best owner,
the best front office, or both. It's not just the
quarterback and coach, although they are really important. It all
(05:14):
starts upstairs. Bills, owner, front office excellent, Lions front office excellent,
Kansas City all of the above, Washington flushed, all the
losers out have much better people in Rams, Stan Kronk
less need like it's just a scouting department. You can
just keep blaming coaches, you can keep running around. This
(05:37):
organization is broken. Vrabel is the only answer. I feel
bad for Caleb Williams, but this is what he was
worried about privately out here in Los Angeles. My people
connected to him said, you're not going to be a
bad guy, but man, look at their history. They've never
had a four thousand yard passing quarterback. That's why I
said the Chargers are a little bit. You can kind
(05:59):
of look at the Chargers and go, well, look what
they did. They got out of the way and got hardball.
But the Chargers had never been this dysfunctional. They just
lost a bunch of close games. They always developed quarterbacks,
They had a bunch of good players in the ownership
group was not meddling. I don't know if you can
fix Chicago. Some things are unfixable. Vrabel's the only answer.
(06:20):
Here's Caleb after it's been frustrating and encouraging. The frustrating
part is, obviously we were on a.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Coming games now eight yeah, eight game losing streak, and
that's not, like I said before, It's new to me.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I haven't experienced anything like this.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So their encouraging part is how much we fight as
a team.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Okay, so let's just talk about the Vikings again. Raiders Falcons.
I can't put that in the first segment. So Sam Donald,
Minnesota has a tough decision. I would franchise Sam Donald,
keep him around. But they brought Daniel Jones in, they
drafted JJ McCarthy. It is likely that they're gonna let
Sam Darnold become you know, a free agent. And here's
what's really interesting. I love Donald. You know that, first
(07:07):
of all, his success is a total indictment on the
Jets in Carolina. I mean Aaron Rodgers' career since you
went to New York Circle the toilet. Okay, So Sam
Darnold is only twenty seven years old. So somebody's going
to get a very good quarterback in his prime, big strong, mobilemaker, playmaker,
coachable kid. Here's the thing, though, You're not gonna get
(07:30):
this good of a Sam Donald, because you know, I
don't even have to tell you this coaching is not
even in this league. I mean it the gap between
a McVeigh and a Kevin O'Connell, Andy Reid, Sean Payton offensively,
and the rest of the league or most of the
rest of the league is the Grand Canyon. All that said,
(07:53):
you're not gonna get Kevin O'Connell, You're not getting Justin Jefferson,
you're not getting Jordan Addison. The old line is underrated
it this is a perfect scenario for Sam. And I
look around at all the teams that could get Sam
Darnald and I'm like, ugh, ugh, there's one exception. There's
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one exception, the Indianapolis Colts. Anthony Richardson's had fourteen starts.
He completes fifty percent of his throws. It's a hard decision.
Sometimes you just got to say it's not working. The
Colts roster, like the Vikings, above average. Colts have good receivers,
(08:35):
not Justin Jefferson, good receivers. They're on line top ten
to twelve in the league. Their defense, go ask bow
Nicks and Sean Payton. Their defense had the game won.
Jonathan Taylor had a goofy decision and fumbled away the game,
but he's an excellent running back. There is one place
where Sam Darnald can go, and it's gonna look closest
(08:57):
to this. It's in the winnable AFC South. It's not
a great ownership division. Even in Indie. It is wonky
and winnable, and you'll get about eighty five percent. You
don't get a Justin Jefferson. You're not getting him all right,
that he is just different. But I'm watching this last
(09:19):
night and I think they've got a very tough decision
to make. But he's only twenty seven years old. Sam's
got three to four years prime. That'll be the length
of his contract, and I think Minnesota's gonna let him go.
I think I try to franchise him, but if they don't,
coaching in this league is not even. But going from
Kevin O'Connell to the Colt Shane Steichen, that's as well
(09:41):
as Sam Donald can do. Michael Pittman, he played with
him at USC, good old line, nice roster, Sam Donald, Colts,
you would get the closest version of Vikings Sam Donald.
I don't think Minnesota is a super Bowl team, but
I do think. I do think what you're seeing between
(10:02):
Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold is this rebirth of really
talented quarterbacks, and it is an indictment of the Cleveland Browns.
It is an indictment for both of them. With Carolina,
it's an indictment of the Jets. Ownership, GMing. Coaching is
not close to equal in this league. So Donald's gonna
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either keep flourishing for the Vikings or potentially flourish for
the Colts. And I folks, if you watch Denver and
the Colts, Bo Nicks is right out of college second half.
That's an NFL franchise quarterback. Colts don't have one. Took
a swing, young kid. Nice kid doesn't work. J Mack.
We got so many things going on today, so many
(10:43):
things with I think people have finally come to terms
with Tua in Miami. You know, for years people pushed
back when we offered, when we suggested that Tua winning
in January in the AFC was fools gold little pushback
on the two of train this way. Wait, cow heard.
You know, I thought you were onto something with the
(11:04):
Sam Darnold to the Colts.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I was just looking at it. Have fifty million CAPSPCE.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I kind of liked that move.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Fifty million capsman, you follow it up with two of
the problem. You think two of the problem in Miami. No,
I got like a million problems. I will just say,
and I'm watching Minnesota last night and I'm watching this weekend.
Colts have fifty million cap space. They got the roster. Yeah,
Denver was getting hammered at home, and Denver's a playoff team.
(11:32):
They were getting unrest hammered at home with a Hall
of Fame coach. One team just needs a quarterback. Because
I looked at the six teams that'll go after Donald today,
it's five disasters and one. I think they could turn
in Minnesota very quickly. Okay, we got a lot of
stuff going on, you know, Eric b Enemy and Nick Wright.
(11:52):
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All right, we do it every Tuesday. Nick right around
the corner. It's the herd hierarchy. Here we go, heard hierarchy.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Time is now. Let's go the top ten.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
NFL teams according to College number ten.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay, I gotta admit I'm kind of proud. Denver Broncos
tied for number one scoring defense in the entire league
lead the NFL in sacks. They did not play well
and won. They got out played by the Colts. They
won four straight games. Bow Nicks is still in the
growth period. But I said before the season, I did
not buy they were a bad team. Sean Payton's one
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of the best coaches of my life. Bow Nicks had
sixty one college starts, Mims, Courtland, Sutton, Patrick Sertan. They
got real dudes Denver at ten, number nine, the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. I may have them low. I'm telling you
I wouldn't want to play this team. The Chargers hadn't
allowed over thirty points in the game. Tampa went in
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scored forty easy. And I'm telling you Baker Mayfield, now
third in the NFL with thirty two touchdown passes, be
very concerned about facing a team that can win by
shootouts or win ugly, and that's what they can do.
You can't run on them. Yet this roster can run
on you. This is a weird team. Todd Bowles, who's
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a really wonderful guy and an excellent defensive coach, is
proving you can get out of the way and let
the offense be the offense. I got Tampa nine, number eight,
Minnesota seven game winning streak. They are seven to one
and one score games. I think a lot of the
story here beyond Darnold is Kevin O'Connell, who they call
the Tonnell Sean McVay. I think Kevin O'Connell is superb.
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And their defense Brian Flores number two against the run,
number three in takeaways. Brian Flores deserves another job. He
does because I don't think their defensive personnel is nearly
as good is their defensive production. I think it's fine.
The production is great. I think Flores deserves another gig.
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Minnesota Day number seven. The Ravens. Listen. They have five
losses by a combined twenty two points. A lot of
it's been special teams. It's the best run offense in
the league. I am rooting so hard for Lamar to
do something in the playoffs because I don't buy this
thing that he's not a great pocket quarterback. He is now.
I do think Jmax touched on something yesterday. Dereck Henry's
productions come down a bit. These are long seasons running backs.
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You're seeing JK. Dobbins, Dereck Henry, Montgomery with the Lions.
This is a rough sport. They're the last unprotected offensive player.
I have the Ravens at seven.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Number six.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I'm gonna move Detroit down to six. And I'm not
sure they are six. They've given up seventy nine points
in two weeks. And it's not because the coaching's bad.
They're running out of players. The defense has one takeaway
in the last four games. Everybody moves the ball on them.
They have eighteen players on the ir again, they can
only win now in shootouts. I think green Bay this
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morning is the better team, and I obviously Detroit has
beaten green Bay, but I have the lines at six.
Number five, you do not want to play the Rams.
They are now healthy, no turnovers, no sacks allowed in
two games. This offensive line is winning games seven and
two since the bye. Okay, and when Stafford's got a
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healthy Pooka Nakua, seventeen touchdowns, four picks, Kyron Williams, Stafford
haven Stein, Cooper Cup, Pooka Nakua, Sean McVay. You don't
want to face them. They are hot and feeling it.
Number four, Buffalo, listen, their defense is an issue. I
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know your fall in love with Josh Allen, Folks. Detroit
went up and down the field. The Rams went up
and down the field. Their defense ranks twenty second now
their fifth in takeaways. So they'll take the ball away.
And I love Josh Allen two, but he's had like
nine hundred yards in two games and they lost one
of them. You're not winning in February with this defense.
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They had got to get healthier. I think they're getting
wrapped back. They're getting some of their back end back,
but they are not good enough defensively. Number three the Packers.
They're hot, they're healthy, and they are now a power
run team. That game in Seattle, they turned the lights
out on that thing after two drives. Eight and two
since the start of October. Now, both losses were to
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the Lions because the Lions have a better team, but
they don't today. I love Green Bay when they hold
opponents under twenty five. They're nine to one. And I
think Matt Lafleur is on a short list of one
of the most underrated coaches in the league. Remember when
he was at Tennessee, his reputation was he likes to
lead with the run. He had Derrick Henry in Green Bay.
This is his offense and his team. This is what
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Matt Lafleur knows. He is a run first. He's got
a lot of Sean mcvahan, Shanahan, he likes the run game.
Green Bay at three number two. Listen, Mahomes is banged up.
This team is still ten to zero in games decided
by a touchdown or less. They still have the best
coach arguably ever. Mahomes probably sits this weekend against Houston,
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and then he'll be fine. I do worry about offensive tackle.
I just they're not going to be great at it.
Just keep your eye on this team. They're getting Hollywood
brown back. I think the best of Kansas City will
be the version in about you know, ten days when
Patrick Mahomes returns.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
The most dysfunctional great team in sports. Philadelphia a ten
game winning streak, with their coach getting in fights with
assistant coaches. I mean, everything they do screams bad organization,
and yet all they do is win. They fire super
Bowl winning coaches. I Philadelphia's wild is Nick Sirianni a
good coach. Did you see that defensive line coach getting
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in his way? Would you do that with like Andy Reid?
Would you do that with Sean Payton? I mean, like
Philadelphia breaks every rule in pro football. They fire winning coaches.
They let go of Andy Reid, The coaches screaming at
fans draw in the locker room, players calling out the
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team on radio, and they win and they're loaded. This
roster is stacked. There's the Herd hierarchy. I like green
Bay a lot. I know you're shaking your head at
green Bay, aren't you didn't Buffalo beat case like I
don't know three weeks ago, and Buffalo's defense now is worse.
I think you're right on green Bay. I actually like
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this except for Casey at two. There's no shot. I
don't even know if i'd have top seven. Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
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Speaker 1 (20:07):
Well. Eric Benemy has had an amazing career up for
the Heisman as a running back at Colorado. That was
the last time Colorado was great, really truly great. Two
times Super Bowl champ as a coordinator with Andy Reid,
ten full seasons with the Chiefs, and he is in studio.
He was at UCLA last year. So I got so
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many things. I want to start with the big picture
on Mahomes. So he comes from you know, Texas Tech.
His dad was a major league player. Did they let
you in on him before they drafted in. Had you
heard in the building there was a young kid, give
me and I'm trying to figure out the timeline because
they had Matt Nagy was there and then Eric Benemy
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and I'm trying to find figure out exactly when you
were there. But take me through your kind of chronological
order with Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Okay, So, and foremost coaching out there in Kansas City.
We're in the Big twelve country, so seeing Texas Tech
play every single weekend. And one thing, you know, uh,
we had a great staff. I mean we had Brett
Veach on staff as a GM. Obviously he was under
my man. Oh it was the original John Dorsey. He
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was under Dorsey and so you know, we had a
lot of guys Chris Ballard and the talk of the
town was always you know, have you guys seen these
throws that this kid has made?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And we will watch the games.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
We got caught up in Big twelve football obviously, just
watching what Pat was doing, and so we got enamored
with him. We watched him grow as a player while
we were coaching, because everybody was a fan of football,
and so just watching him and seeing all the things
that he brought to the table.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
We all were kind of on kind of end on it.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Chris Ballad was probably the lead scout at the point,
on that point in time exactly. He loved him, loved him,
absolutely loved him. I think everybody in the building fell
in love with him. Now, did we think that we
would have a chance of getting him. No, But it's
amazing how things worked out. And obviously it's been. It's
been history being made right before you eyes. The kid
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is an unbelievable kid. He takes absolutely nothing for granted
and you just love him as a person and as
a competitor.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So let's go to the first camp with Mahomes. Yes,
so you had the Alex Smith, who's a wonderful guy. Yes,
And were there moments did you drive home after a
practice or three, and was there a moment for you
an epiphany when you're like, oh boy, this is different.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Let me say this, so with all due respect to Alex, Okay,
we love Alex. Alex was a great quarterback. Here's one
thing Alex did. Alex provided a blueprint for Pat Mahomes
to follow. Because first and foremost, Alex was a come early,
state late guy. He was very professional, He's very diligent, right,
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and everything that he did. Uh, he took the game series,
he studied, he was a film junkie. So those are
some of the things that you know, as an example
of seeing I know the player do it helped Patrick
to grow Now watching Patrick and don't get me wrong,
every young quarterback has their struggles every now and then,
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but there were certain throws that you're seeing practice and like,
oh my goodness, did you see that? And we'll just
sit there, yes, like wait a minute, did you see
that throw? And so there will always be those moments
and then you just knew you had something special. And
then uh, he had that opportunity to start up against Denver.
I want to say it was the last game of
the season that particular year, and he went out and
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he did this thing and not to anybody surprise, here
we are, you know, years later looking at him and
still watching him excel and all the little things that
a lot of people in that he can do because
he came from an air raid offense.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So obviously Andy Reid is a great play caller and
play designer. You've worked with a lot of good coaches.
Bobby Ross, what is the secret sauce if you were
to take. If I said, Eric, you get a head
coaching job, take one thing from Andy Reid His what's
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the structure, the foundational piece of Andy that makes him
arguably the best coach ever?
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I think more than anything, it's probably the consistency. He's
a consistent individual. The Andy Reid that you see today
is the same Andy Reid that I played for in
nineteen ninety nine. The thing that I love about Coach
Read is that.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
He's very stern. He expects you to be very professional.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
He expects all his coaches to be an expert at
their positions. He expects his players to work hard. He
expects them to be at their best when the best
is needed. And there's always a culture of account of ability.
And when you have all that and you combined it together,
now you see the consistent winning performance that just takes
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place throughout the course of the years. And so the
thing that I love about Coach Read is that he's
provided that. And then on top of it, I got
to add one more thing. He's not afraid of change.
He's not afraid of you know, and that does not
fear him.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
He wants to make sure that whatever needs to be done.
Whatever we need to do to win.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
And then you can obviously see that's been a theme
of this season. It doesn't matter what the score is.
When it's all saying done with you're being measured. It
ain't about the numbers, It ain't about the stats. You're
being measured by two alphabets, the W or the L.
And they've found a way to be thirteen and one
right now, and everybody wants to talk about what they
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haven't done. But I'll say this, it's hard winning thirteen
games in the season, let alone being thirteen and one
at this particular point.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Credits coach Reat.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, so you looked at all these quarterbacks coming out,
Jaden Daniels and bow Nicks and Caleb Williams and Michael
Pennox and JJ McCarthy. I thought Caleb was the most
talented at UCLA. You know the USC program. Well this
year you faced I think it was Miller bought no
the UNLV kid at the end when you watch Caleb
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struggling in Chicago. How do they get it right? What's
the first step?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Well, I think more than anything, it's about the culture
in the atmosphere. So you want to make sure that
the kid is in a right culture, meaning you have
to build it around him. If you're going to draft
the franchise quarterback, you got to make sure that. And
I'm not trying to step on anybody, so's a place
any judgment on anything. I think Ryan Poe's has done
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a great job, you know Ryan. Yes, Ryan is a
very good friend, and I've known him for a number
of years because we spent a number of years in
Kansas City. But you want to make sure that you're
building that organization, that program around him.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Everything benefits him exactly, and everything always starts and ends
up front, So you got to build it with those
guys and defensive coach, and that that worried me.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
And so I'm not into who's doing hiring and all
the firing, but one thing I do know, anytime you're
drafting a franchise quarterback, you got to surround it with
the right people.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
You got to make sure the right people are in
his ear.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
You got to do the things that he likes and
feels comfortable with, and then you start branching out and
developing him and teaching him other things.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Along the way. And so, yes, the kid is special.
He's a dynamic.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Football player, but it starts with a culture and having
this opportunity to coach in the number of AFC championship
games and being on a super Bowl winning team.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It starts and ends up top. It starts with.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Family, the beach, to everybody.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
You know, and when you're in the first class organization
and with first class people, you know everything is done
the right way. Where there be mistakes made along the way,
sure yes they will, but it always starts up top,
and you want to surround your quarterback with the right
people that's going to help him to develop and grow.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So Belichick's going to college, My take is he is
building a pro model college. College athletic departments can be
high maintenance. People are very parochial. They have their space,
and Belichick's coming in with his NFL guys and he's like, yeah,
I'm not going to volleyball matches. And my take is
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its bills smart. But he's a pro coach, and you're
a pro coach and you went to UCLA. If you
could give him what was the first shocking thing? And again,
Kansas City is a well run pro football operation. The
first thing if you if you could whisper for one
thing to build. Hey, be careful about blind What would
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you say?
Speaker 6 (29:05):
The only thing that, if anything, that I disliked or
about the college game is the lack of time that
we have to teach. And so I pride myself on
being a teacher. And you know there's a twenty hour rule.
You only get so much time trying to deal with
young men. And it's always have felt that it is
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our duty as coaches to make sure that if there's
a player that's special enough, it's our responsibility of making
sure we're providing this kid with all the necessary tools
that's going to give him the best opportunity to play
early in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
He's talented enough.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Eric b enemy for our radio audience. And here's the thing.
That's why the NFL is it's the great scheme league
for coaches. College is the recruiting league. Yes, you can
only do you can only layer a college kid with
so much. Yes, you only get twenty hours. So Belichick
is not a recruiters scheme geniuses. And that's why Andy
Reid in college would probably be exhausted by having to
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go to San Bernardino and look at a receiver instead
of teaching them his plays, and so I feel he's
gonna be Now are you surprised because you're a former
Colorado great? Are you surprised by Colorado has no money
like they're like you see it like not a lot
of dollars there for nil? Are you surprised at the
success that he has had, Dion, not at all?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
I tell you what, knowing Rick George and knowing everything
that Rick George wanted ad Yes, exactly. Rick George is
a great friend of mine, very close friend. He was
there when we played in the National Championships era, but
him in primetime as they hit it off really and yes,
they hit it off, and there's.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
A nucleus, there's a bond.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
So I thought Rick, first of all, deond to the
heck of a job is selling his vision to Rick.
But on top of that, you can see the vision
coming through because Deon did great job of basically helping
those young men to go out there and be successful.
But on top of that, just building a competitive program
by building it with the right people.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I thought you did a great job.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Hey, Travis Hunter, I plan at corner as a former
offensive coordinator in the NFL for years. Here's my concern.
You can't be a part time receiver. It's a timings position. Yes,
So what would you do. You're a coordinator and you
get Travis Hunter and he's like, hey, coach, I want
to do some offense and returning. But he's an elite
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Sauce Gardner level corner. How would you integrate him into
some of the offense. I don't think he can be
your number one receiver in your number one corner, but
if you had to, you only got him for half
the practice. What do you do?
Speaker 6 (31:46):
So, first and foremost, congratulations with Travis Hunter on winning Heisman.
Troll is great, the second Heisman Trophy winner in the
history of Colorado football, so outstanding. Second of all, I
had to answer this question biasedly because, and don't get
me wrong, I think the kid is a tremendous athlete.
I'm selfish. I'm on the office side of the ball.
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I want him to play receiver for me and so.
But because I watch all the dynamic things that the
kid does. He's a he makes dynamic catch. I would
use him just like I would use any other players
that play jet sweeps, certain routes. I mean the kid
is he can run, he has an unbelievable hand and
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eye coordination. He can track the football, he can come
out in and out of his breaks, he transitions well.
I mean, the kid is a great football player, and
obviously he's one of the best because of the numbers
that have shown. But on top of that, the trophy
speaks for itself. But the kid is also a competitive kid.
And don't get me wrong, I think the kid is
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a dynamic college football I think the kid could be
an outstanding receiver and so. But you got to pick
a shoe aside. In my opinion, it's just my humble opinion.
You got to take a side, yes, because it takes away,
it takes now. He could be a dynamic, great corner.
Just like you said, he does have those skills and
ability to be the next time.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know what, here's my takeaway on that air. It's
an offensive league. A lot of bad teams. The Jets
have great corners, but if you have dual weapons like
the Rams, it's it's it's an offensive league. Yes, a
corner has limitations. Patrick certain is unbelievable, Yes, but it's
Sean Payton the offense, the left tackle. I just think
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if I had I think he's going to be a
better corner than a receiver. But I think receivers more
valuable now than a great corner.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Because you can design and get him involved in the
game early and often, okay, and that's the beauty of it.
Whereas he's having an opportunity to touch the.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Football twelve fifteen times, great.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Things can happen.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
And so you would implement him in your in your
in your office.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Arel. So a year ago people were lamenting that running
backs they're never gonna get paid. You were a running back,
and they're never gonna get paid. And now here's Derrick
Henry and you're watching Green Bay now, Josh Jacobs, that's
a power run team. Detroit's a power run team. Baltimore
is a power run team. So rams with Kyron Williams. Yes,
So why do you think in the last year Saquon Barkley,
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it seems like Eric there is a little bit of
a pivot back to the running back.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Why this game has a way of beast cyclical. Everything
that you think was outdated, it seems to come right back.
One thing that I've always have known, you throw the ball, Okay,
to win you throw the ball to win football games.
To score touchdowns a right, but you got to run
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it to win a championship. What is all saying done
with the game is still one upfront, all right, whether
it's the old lion or the defensive line.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
If you can run.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
The ball, it takes so much pressure off the quarter.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Also, at each claw it eats clock. You get into
these close late games. That's what Josh Allen has never had.
Until James Cook, he had leads. They couldn't eat the clock.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Up because it becomes a game of possessions. And so
if you're taking care of the football ball security, you're
running the ball, it limits the opponent and so it
limits the opponent's opportunities. But on top of that, it
applies pressure to that team because now they feel forced
to be perfect to drive the ball to late of
the field to.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Go out and put points on the board.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
But when it's all sitting done with, those teams that
are doing a great job of running the ball, those
are gonna be teams that are gonna be wrecking with
come playoff time because they're hard to stop. And then
you watch what they're doing up in Green Bay, I
mean with that cold weather, you know, running the ball
as efficiently as they are. I mean, you're watching Philly
do what they do. But this year has been fun
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watching all these guys do what they have done.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
And then if you.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Look at it, it's about four or five other guys
that are on the cusp of rushing over a thousand yards.
You know, this year may be an all time high
as far as yeah, you know thousand.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Rushers right now, with one thousand plus rushing yards last year,
one player think about that. I also think about this.
As the game got more perimeter based, safeties got smaller,
so did linebackers, and I think the good coaches went
time out. We got two hundred and fourteen pound linebackers,
and then the game most of these running backs low
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center of gravity guys. They're punishing running back Kyraen Williams.
You can't get a hit on. You can't, So I
think it's sick little to your point, the safeties and
linebackers got smaller and rangier, but not as physical.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yes, because here's what happens. So once upon a time,
defensive schemes were scheming up Tom Brady and the New
England Patriots on how to stop those guys. You think
about all the receivers, so guys got naturally smaller, so
you're primarily playing with your nickel personnel. So same thing
with the Kana City Chiefs, the evolution of Patrick Mahomes.
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Teams are lining up trying to take away all the
different receiving threats that you have on the perimeter, which
leads for what a light box. So now you have
an opportunity to run it even more so, and you
think about some of those guys that are running the
ball as efficiently as they are. Look at the players
that are playing quarterback as well. There's also guys out
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on the perimeter. So now it's like little checks and
balances because you have to be able to defend the run.
But on top of that, now now you get matchups
on the perimeter where you get one on one battles
where guys are going to have opportunities now to make
more plays efficiently down the field by making the big
throw off for play action passes.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Eric, the enemy is joining us. Before I let you go,
You've had opportunities to be a coach, You've interviewed. I mean,
it's a competitive world. Do you ever get frustrated some
people have thrown out a racial component. How does that
land for you? When you interview you don't get it.
The media appears to be like, give this guy a chance.
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Is it hard on you and your family? How do
you view it? How does it land for you?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
I look at it as an opportunity to grow. I've
had a number of opportunities to sit down with a
number of teams, and I've come away with a lot
just sitting down having that experience talking to those particular teams.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
And the thing that you can do is I'm a competitor.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
The only thing that you can do is go back
to the drawing board, you know, and figure out what
can I do to make it better? You know, I
grew up in a culture of being a resilient person.
My mom have always taught me, Hey, you know, you
don't worry about the things you can't control. Worry about
what's next and how you're going to control that particular moment.
So when it's all sitting down with no you don't
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think about the negative. The only thing that you build
upon is the positives. What are some of the things
that you can come away with after learning and going
through this experience, and how is it going to help
you moving forward. So those are the things that I
focus on, and that's that's what's important moving forward.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, I gotta ask you one more Yes, all your
years as a coordinator offensive coordinator, if I said to
you name the one defensive player you hated facing that,
you would look at the film and think, Okay, it's
gonna blow that. Because Chris Jones is one of those
guys that other coordinators look at. He'll move up, he'll
move all over the defensive line. Was there a guy
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in this league you're doing this for ten years and
every time you faced him you thought, oh, headache.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
But there's probably a few of them. But one of
them that stands up, it's a young Von Miller. Von
was a.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Beast first three four years in the leagues.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
He was he was a beast.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh coach, so he was in he was in Denver. Yes,
how did you block him?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
We tried.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Now, in fact, it was a funny story too, because
first of all, I have the utmost respect for Von
You talking about a premiere pass rusher that also did
a great job in lining up and playing against the
rum this hey day. And that's not to take away
anything that he's doing now in Buffalo but that young kid,
he was so hard to block.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
You had to scheme around him.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
I remember we played him and had to be either
twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. He beats Mitch off y edge,
and Mitch probably is not going to like me saying yes,
Mitch was.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
He probably was Vaughn's toughest matchup because Mitch, Mitch was
a smart He was smart. He was very strategic with it.
He did a great job of timing up his pass sets.
But it was this one time he beats him, and
so he beats him around and Pat scrambles to his
left and Pat throws the ball with his left hand
(40:45):
and he completes it. And so in the heat of
the moment, now you got to understand, we're in a
two minute situation where we're trying to go down and
win the game. And so I'm sitting there and it's
a lot of chaos over the headsets. I'm like, damn,
did anybody see that?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (41:02):
I'm talking to Coach Reid and Coach Rees like, uh,
e b, you gotta call the play. You know, he
gives me the pay. You gotta call the play. I said,
did anybody see that.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Damn oh didn't he just made He was like, get
the play out, call the play.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
And so after I get the play called in, we
were like, yeah, we saw it.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
It was un and that was the play.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Vaughn just beat his guy.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Yes, but you're talking about a great player in this heyday,
I mean, unbelievable, hard to stop, you know, hard to
scheme around.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
As well, Eric being me pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Nice to meet you as well. Thank you for this
opportunity of course,
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