December 18, 2024 • 33 mins
3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman stops by to talk about the Eagles showing a lack of respect for their head coach, distractions during his career, Bill Belichick going to coach UNC and more
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Lean Edelman in a while, three time Super Bowl champion, MVP,
twelve years in the NFL. So the Belichick thing is interesting.
Urban Meyer was on a couple hours ago and he said,
you know, now, it used to be in December you
were in your car recruiting. Now they come to you.
He goes, Actually, several years ago I thought Belichick was
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a terrible fit in college, but actually now he can
sit in his office. You sit down with Mike Lombardi
and how much do you want have you changed? We've
had so many different opinions on Belichick. What are you
making of it today?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
You know, the more you think about it, the more
it makes sense. One, you know, projecting players. I know
that you're not a big fan of him with that,
but he did have a guy, Steve Neil, who was
a wrestler that was a three time Super Bowl champion guard.
I was a project. I was a quarterback in college.
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He projected me as a receiver.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Gronk.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know Tom Brady seeing know is that a project players. Two,
his dad was a part of that whole thing. He
loves nostalgia. He loves his family. Anything that his father
was a part of he loves. So that makes sense.
And then you know, three, it comes down to NCAA
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is pro football now, Like like Urban said, this is
just turning into a introductory pro football.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
League's triple A base. Well, now there is something that
you noted. This is interesting for our audience. Spring football
actually is better in college than the pros because of
the CBA in the NFL is very limiting.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So like when everyone talks about the developmental players, you know,
I've never seen Bill have spring practice full padding. Now
he's going to have fifteen practices to install his system,
full contact, eight hours a week, whatever it is, paths
with pads, to install his offense and get his team ready,
which those in the NFL are passing camps in shorts.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You can't go pads in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
You can't go pads in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
As a matter of fact, when your day is done,
you have such strict work law laws that you have
to leave the facility. You can't throw extra after the facility. Now,
I think, you know, I don't know the college laws,
but I just remember when I was in college, we
used to run so much in six in the morning.
Then we'd go and have foot all practice after and
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then you'd have meetings so.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You could install your whole offense in spring.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
You could install your whole offense in the spring, and
that's what we do in the league through those passing
camps and mini camps. Now it's effective for us because
we've all had a foundation and we're all pros. But
at a younger level, you know, you get to hit.
These kids, they get to hit, and you get to
develop them at a faster eight. So it's going to
be very interesting to see how fundamentally sound his teams
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will be because of that off season spring practice and
the ability to go out and prep full pads.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, so Danny Parkins came on. He knows the Bears well,
he's from Chicago, and he said, listen, Vrabel's a bit
overvalued because he had a losing record, last couple of
years he got into a power struggle. Chicago could be
a power struggle. You're better off going and finding an
offensive coordinator. I think Chicago's too big of a job,
too many obstacles to just say, here, offensive coordinator, run
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the steeplechase. It's too much much. Where do you fall
on that? With Rabel, I fall that.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
If he was interested in the Bears, they should definitely
hire him. They need a culture guy, like I know
that's what you call him, but they need someone that's
gonna grab someone by the back of the neck and say, hey,
I need to talk to you in the hallway because
you're slouching or.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
You're doing this. They need an accountability guy. You know.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's very similar to the Detroit thing with the historical uh,
you know, the amount of losses that they've had historically
in Detroit. They need a culture guy to go get
m c d C. Mike Rabel's m c d C.
But like, this guy's a savant when it comes to football.
And I'm not saying mc d C isn't, but like
I know Vrabel for you know, firsthand. So they need
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a culture guy. They need someone that's gonna be hold
people accountable. And I believe if he wants that job,
he you know, they should try to hire him.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah. Rabel, who told j Mack was it was it
Urban told us last week that he thought Vrabel was
the smartest player he ever coached. Somebody told me that
it was probably uh, Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniel, McDaniels. He
thought he was as smart as any He said he could.
He retained so much information.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, he retained it. And uh, he even gave Brady crap.
He gave everyone crap. And then that was the thing.
He was so smart that he could get under your
skin and you couldn't do anything about it because he
knew your assignment. He knew his assignment. And this is
all while he was on scout team, you know, as
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a starting defensive end playing safety. Like that's the kind
of guy he is, And that's the kind of guy
you need. You need an a hole then that that's
what they're lacking in that locker room.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
There's way too much noise.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Matt Naggey was a great guy in one and they
didn't like that.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, they need someone to come in and and and
you know, tighten things up. They need he had an
identity in in nash In.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Uh, Tennessee, they were tough.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I heard the guy who came in on your show
talking about, well, you need an offensive mine. We need
to You know, all these offensive play callers, don't you know?
They could call plays, But I don't necessarily know about
their leadership skills. You don't know how they're gonna be
as a head coach. Sean McVay and Shanahan aren't just
coming out of the factory. Those guys are you know,
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one of ones. You know, a guy like Mike, you know,
he's a culture guy that's gonna be fundamentally sound, that's
gonna have the respect of every single guy in there
because he's a three time super Bowl winning player. He's
a coach that has a lot of you know, a
lot of merit behind him. Was a you know, number
one seed with Tennessee. Like, this guy's got the resume,
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he's got the attitude, and I think he's what you know,
the Chicago Bears need.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay, So I have said I like brock Purty, you
start talking fifty large, I don't like brock Purty. I
go Sam Darnold at forty for three years over Brockett fifty,
and I think if you look at almost all now
wide receivers different they come third round, fifth, sixth, seventh,
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take out Brady. You look up most great quarterbacks right now,
of the fourteen playoff quarterbacks, twelve or first rounders, Hurts
is a second rounder. You drop to the seventh for
a reason. Scouting is much more sophisticated today than fifteen
years ago and twenty years ago when Tom went. It's
hard to find a sleeper. People like Purty, but he
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was reckless, he was small, he struggles in wet weather.
I can't pay him big money. I know he wins.
I can't.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah, am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You know, if there's a five in there at starting
with a five, it's gonna be tough because of what
we're seeing with Sam Donald in Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
His backup last year with the players and the semi
similar scheme that they have, and we're seeing what Sam
Donald is this year. I do agree that the seventh
round thing. I specifically remember it. If you know, I
felt if I was drafted in the third or the
fourth rounds, I would have made probably forty percent more money.
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But because I was a seventh rounder. I always got
labeled with that, and you know, I don't know if
that's going to be different with Brock, But just through
this whole year, I remember going and talking about on
kickoff in week five when they were going through a
bit of adversity, they're starting to drop guys. I said, specifically,
this is gonna turn this year. Will determine whether you're
a thirty million dollar quarterback or a fifty million dollar quarterback.
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And through the whole year, it looks more like he's
a thirty million dollar quarterback, which is a great quarterback.
He's a good football player, yes, but we're seeing his
limitations when guys aren't playing and when there's you know,
when there's excuses. You know what did Sean Connery say?
You know, excuses are for losers. Winners are the guys
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who go home take the prompt.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
That's that's just that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I always use the if rule. Yeah, if you're a quarterback,
that's an if, Like Josh Allen is great, Brady's great,
good weather, bad weather. If you're an IF quarterback, two
is the ultimate if. If it's warm, you're at home,
have protection, an offensive coach, and are healthy excellent. A
lot of ifs Brock struggles in wet weather, struggles without McCaffrey,
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struggles playing in the fourth quarter, especially behind. There's a
lot of qualifiers. If I'm if the first numbers five,
you can't be an if guy.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
You can't. You can't.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
And this is a product of this whole system. Okay,
I mean, if you look at it. Two is in
the same system. Yep, Brock's in the same system. Jimmy
G's in the same system, but nothing Timy, Yeah, exactly.
And the only one who really has manifested the whole
thing and won the Super Bowl is Matthew Stafford, who
wasn't born in the system, who was born in a
drop back system that went to this system, the West
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Coast system.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
To number and he's one of the all time great
on He's one of.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
The all time great arms. And that's what I this.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
This this whole Shanahan McVeigh system. It's a it's a
very quarterback friendly system that allows guys to go out.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
And get high production.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Now it's gonna cost you if when you have to
go sign them because of that.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, that's a good point. So I said two days
ago the Philadelphia Eagles have all these qualities that bad
franchises have. The coaches barking at other coaches, the players
are going on local radio and criticizing the chemistry, and
Jalen Hurts and Brandon Ingram aren't tight and they run
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through coordinators. It's like a j Brown, you know issue
with Jalen Hurts, and this is what like Carolina does
or the Bears, And I'm like, but Philadelphia keeps winning.
So they're like strangely effective and productive despite drama and dysfunction.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
How well you get the roster? They have the best
roster in football, I think though, too. You gotta you
gotta tip your cap to Howie and sa Quon when
you have a run game, like with Saquon a generational
running back, he masks a lot of things and winning
masks everything. But this will go and catch up to
them in the playoffs, I believe, so uh you know,
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I know, winning cures a lot, but there's been a
lot of crazy noise and it would be it would
be unreal to me to see if they can continue
to have all these little.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Feutes, these outside noises.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
We got Dom the security guy who's a care like
we have so many things. It would surprise me if
they went on one the Super Bowl, because there's gonna
be a fundamentally sound team that's gonna be mentally tough,
that's not gonna go down this road, that's gonna you know,
that's gonna handle them. Now, I don't want to sound
like a hater. I do sound like a hater right now.
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But it's just I've never seen it happen. I've never
seen this with leadership the way that they have that's
to go out and win a Super.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
What's the video we have this week? Sirianni went to
talk to Jalen car He got punked, he got pumped
the Yeah, there's just a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I think there's a lot of lack of respect for
the head coach what I felt, and I like players
can they have.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
The best roster.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
They got really good football players, and but I think
that the leadership. You can't have a head coach that
doesn't have the respect everyone. I just don't when it
comes down to it in like a gotta have it
situation or some kind of something where he's gonna have
to make a decision, I I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
You know, it's it's they've proved me wrong all year.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
But you know we're we're talking about like it's either
super Bowl or bust for this team. Yeah, that's it's
not about getting to the NFC Championships, not about winning
two playoff games.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
This team needs to win.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Now, go to your most dysfunctional year in New England.
I mean, there was a lot of stuff but that.
But but when I watched the documentary go to the
year where you remember thinking it, damn, it's noisy here.
What year was it and what transpired at the end
of the season, I.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Would say nineteen was pretty noisy. That the whole you know,
when we had Ab come in, you know, and then
you know, Rob retired, there was a whole lot of
going on in the front office and that whole thing.
And we lost in the first round to the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That's right, you know, And we were those last game
in Foxborough with without a doubt last throw Logan Ryan
And it was a noisy year.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
That was a noisy year.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Another noisy year I would say was seventeen.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
How'd that end?
Speaker 5 (13:44):
We lost in the Super Bowl to Philadelphielphia.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Oh that was the Malcolm Butler that.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Was a noisy year where you know, we had a
really good football team. I think we threw for five
hundred yards that day and we couldn't win the game.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You know, like, and you felt it during the season.
It was tense.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It was tense, But I was I was kind of
away from the team that year because I was in
the training room.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
I was, you know, doing my ACL. I had my
a cl that year.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Is so, but anytime there was or you know, after
the Hernandez thing, we lose in the playoffs, you know
what I mean, So like anytime there was crazy noise.
And I'm not just trying to hate on Philadelphia. Everything
right has to happen for you to win a Super Bowl.
You know, I've won three of them. I went to
five of them, and some of the best teams I
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played on didn't even get there. Like, everything right has
to go in favor for you to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And when there's little things, they will add up.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It's I remember Belichick always saying, you know, it's like
when you when you put in a hardwood floor and
you have to hammer all the nails down, you have
to make sure you'd hammer every single one because there's
gonna be one that you didn't hammer down, that you
may not see, but six months later you're gonna stub
your toe on that that nail. And that's kind of
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the thing that this is. You know, it's gonna it's
gonna catch up to them. Now, Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
No I think. I mean, you're in your life. There
were three noisy years. You never took call on the trophy,
never took on with trophy. Give me the perfect year
you had when everything worked you literally the Super Bowl was.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
All no We had some noise too.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
What was that Atlanta year?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well, no, the year we went you know whom Tom
was suspended in sixteen. You know, we had noise that year.
But we also had Tom Brady and and Bill Belichick
and that that pair. You know that's not Hurts and Sirianni,
right right, you know what I mean, And I'm not
there's nothing against those guys. They're very good at what
they do, but like, there's nothing like. We had to
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have a lot of mental toughness and we had the
best football player in the history of the game, prime
and his prime to do that. So that was like
the one noisy ish year that went on one and
then you know, I was suspended in eighteen for the
first four That was a noisy year, and we won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
But like that was different as well because we have
Belichick and.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Well both of them. The noise was in September. In September,
that's right. These this noise is coming like weekly. It's
weekly noise, and I feel bad because it's it's a
fun team to watch. They're like when you watch a
quality on the football, AJ Brown takes you know his
one he gets slant routes. He gets three or four
slant routes a game that he breaks four tackles on
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and gets twenty five. I'll make this argument. I'll make
this argument. This is the most talented NFL roster this
right here. I'm trying to think of one that's second.
I'll tell you that Brady one that won in Tampa
when he basically they got Tristan Wurfs and he was like,
oh crap, he's great, and Gronk came and ab that roster.
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Reid dudes everywhere that was they had one issue right
tackling running back, and they solved it that that was
an all start. I mean, hell, that team the year
before had thirty picks by Jamis and almost almost made
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Almost made the playoffs, but he also had thirty three touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
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Speaker 10 (18:13):
This is the keeping it real, you know, with this
whole Eagle stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
We say it yesterday and people come after us online
and you got a former player saying it's like, come on, guys,
pay attention.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
No, it's weird when the coach goes to talk to
a player, not a coordinator, a position coach punks him.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You can't you can't get shoot from I mean, that's
that's bad.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I've never seen it. But this is a new generation.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Maybe I don't know that geration.
Speaker 10 (18:42):
All right, let's get started with a big one.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
On Saturday on Fox, the Ravens hostess Steelers.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
Pittsburgh is won eight of nine against Mentimore.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That crazy is a weird stat.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, now here's the thing. Pittsburgh won the earlier meeting.
They can lock up the division with a win on Saturday.
Here's Tomlin on the matchup.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
Really excited about this opportunity for obvious reasons. It's a
divisional game, it's a road divisional game, it's Baltimore. And
I understand the nature of this rivalry and the amount
of tension that it brings, and it's exciting and humbling
to be a part of it. While at the same time,
we got an opportunity to pursue a division championship this week.
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And so man, we're excited. We respect this process of preparation.
We're going to display our excitement by getting singularly focused
on what it is that we need to do to
prepare it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, that is one of the stranger rivalries in the
NFL that Pittsburgh during the Lamar Jackson era has dominated this.
Speaker 10 (19:44):
He hasn't played in all the games he has.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
They banged up a couple times.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
Yeah, I'm just curious. Did I hear you say earlier?
This week Coach of the Year goes to Peyton over
Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I love Tomlin, but I think Peyton's doing more with less.
I think Mike's got a really good roster.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
Wait, Okay, bow Nicks.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
They took on Russell Wilson, who nobody wanted even dumped.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Two years in a row.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well not wait time out. Yeah, there were people interested
in Russell Wilson. He had a market.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
Well, Yattle dumped him.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, okay, a lot of people get dumped. That doesn't
even dumped him. I mean it was Pylon City. There's
a dog pileon Russell. I've fell back for the guy.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think Pittsburgh's rosters damn good. It is.
Speaker 10 (20:29):
It's very good.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It's not Philadelphia. But if you said there were five
other rosters I loved, they'd be in that next spot.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I'm also trying to overcompensate for telling the Steelers they
should trade JJ TJ Watt.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
When did you say that?
Speaker 10 (20:41):
I think in June. You know it's like Hot Take Summer. Yeah,
it's all excited.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
It's like, hey, they should trade whatt take Summer trade
what rebuild that work? I just thought of some we
should just just to make sure because once the NBA ends,
you got about eight weeks nothing, and we should rebrand
our show after the NBA finals Hot Take Summer and
(21:05):
it should be fun, like audience knows this stuff's a
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of dB Cooper theories and bitcoin talk from now on,
new rule on the show two days after the NBA Finals,
the new branding, and we're gonna put it up here
hot take summer.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
We can have like a fire extinguisher like on the set,
just in.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Case it gets a little hot. Yeah, that's not a
bad idea. Look at you coming up with summer ideas.
I'm going to reproduce in the show on the fly.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
All right.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
Next up, this is not a great story. Will Levis
guys had a rough go. Now listen, this is another one.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Coward's doing a victory lap injuring his shoulder, patting himself
on the back because he said Will Levis's gun show
would be a failure.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, I told you. I like he likes the mirror
more than he likes the window.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Levis got benched multiple times this season. Now it's Mason
Rudolph coming in. Rudolph has kind of been okay off,
very very good. But he's a top five backup in.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
The league, Like eight guys is the top five back
I have.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Daniel Jones now is very good. Mason Rudolph is very capable.
Come on, well, who, well, who else a good backup?
Willis has to be Willis? Will in Cincinnati last year?
Who Kate Browning? Browning?
Speaker 10 (22:21):
There you go. So there's a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I know this guy. This guy is doing too many curls.
Get in the film room. Stop lifting weights, have a snickers.
I don't know. It's just too much, too much of this,
too much of you.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Know, snickers.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Can I tell you my theory on quarterbacks that are ripped.
Quarterbacks are one or two things. I like window quarterbacks.
They're always looking out for others. I don't like mirror quarterbacks.
They like looking at themselves. I always feel feel with
Will Levis. He likes lifting weights. He likes them Will Levis,
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And I think eventually players feel it. Players sense it.
You start playing all of his hitching and all of
his shoulders, and it's a little gun showy for me.
For the record, I talked to an NFL GM about
this before the draft and I told him I said,
I don't like this combine gun show thing. And this
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general manager said, oh, that was discussed amongst our scouts.
It's I'm just telling you it was discussed.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I feel like you're turning into an inside the NBA guy,
just becoming a hater, just.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Trashing the guy.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I watched the NBA Cup last night.
Speaker 10 (23:32):
Now, let's show Will Levis stats on the screen.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
The staff has put together some Will Levis numbers as
a starter.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Okay, what do you want me to do? I got
twenty one tens and twenty five giveaways. What do you
want me to do?
Speaker 10 (23:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
No. By the way, he's exactly what he was in college.
Big arm, good looking kid, gun show, bad judgment. He's
the exact same player.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
So Rudolph has two of Tennessee's three wins this year.
Speaker 10 (23:56):
Will Levis, it's been a rough go.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I don't know what becomes of him, but he's probably
not long in the league.
Speaker 10 (24:01):
Next up, Oh, I love this one.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
College football. My brother's so fired up about this. He
said this to me. Penn State is playing SMU in
the first round of the playoff on Saturday. Great game,
but Penn State is without one of their key players,
their backup quarterback Bo Prabula. And it's not just he's
the backup. I mean this guy's I think got five
rushing touchdowns. He was integral into their offense. Right, He's
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entered the portal and will not play. So James Franklin
talked about the poor timing of the transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
We got problems in college football.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And I can give you my word. Bo Prabula did
not want to leave our program. The way the portal
is and the timing of it, and the way our
team is playing, and when you play the position a
quarterback and there's only one spot and those spots are
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filling up, he felt like he was put in a
no win situation. And and I agree with him.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
James Franklin is right. They have got to get rid
of this transfer window here. They got to get rid
of it, and your kids are trapped. That kid would
stick around for the playoffs. He wanted to stick around.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
It's aligned, according to all these people who cover. It's
aligned with the calendar for the school year.
Speaker 10 (25:25):
You can't change that for college football. So listen. The
one thing he's wrong about is it's not a no
win situation.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
This kid, Bot Pabula is probably gonna double whatever Penn
State was paying him on nil and he's going to
be the starter somewhere. He gets to hand pick. You know,
the quarterbacks had to hit the portal quickly. Yeah, because
it's like music to be war.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, right, I get it. I just don't want the
kid to be viewed as selfish. He had no choice,
he corrected. Yeah, as long as everybody knows that this
kid had no choice. He wanted to be a Nittany Lion,
or at least het. Through the playoffs, the starter drew
a lair coming.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
He's coming back. Remember you talked about him as a
pro prospect.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I think are I think he needs another year in college.
I do think he's a pro prospective.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Ben Yeah, but if he's staying I'm the bachelor?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Am I doing?
Speaker 10 (26:07):
I gotta go elsewhere? So I understand why he's doing this.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Listen, this portal discussion is fab I'm sure Klatt is watching.
His head is exploding because he's very fired up about this.
It feels like there's some pearl clutching in the college.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Football a little bit. Come on, this is so to
I mean, yesterday everybody's freaking out in La Lincoln. Riley
lost two receivers. You know who? He didn't lose his
two best receivers, the two guys that actually Lane and
and Lemon. The has branches a lot of high school hype.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
I've heard.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I know what happened. Well, the branch has wanted a
lot of money, like they wanted their own bank branch
in US. He said, no, than is it messy? Yes?
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Are they going to figure it out?
Speaker 11 (26:53):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
But you and I you.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Say this, we love chaos on the show. Well, and
this transfer portal is chaos in college football.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I like chaos for a couple of weeks twice a year.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
And by the way, USC isn't losing their best players.
They lost some five star recruits that haven't done anything anywhere,
so that that's just the star recruiting service.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
And oh, by the way, I'll just remind everybody SMU's
in the playoff, Arizona States in the playoff Boise Indiana.
Look at how many transfers they've had in the playing
field has been totally leveled.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
I love this column.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
I like a good underdog. I know you're a coastal elite.
You're very upset at.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Alabama, very like Arizona State in I like. I think
it's fun. I don't think they're gonna win a game,
but it's fun. You love that coastal elite thing. Last
time I checked you live on the beach. I ain't
living in Iowa. I'll tell you that we gotta go
to break. I suggested Chicago. You freaked out J Mack
(27:53):
with the news.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
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Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, J Mac, we like new stuff, you think? So
what kind of progressive thinkers on new stuff in sports?
And I've said today that there's the NBA is unbalanced, uneven.
I like the three point shot. I don't like the
league to be all three point shots, like seventy two shots.
Last night, I mean, Oklahoma was like five of thirty
so something like that. It was just ridiculous. So I thought,
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here are changes that you could summer radical some or not.
So let's talk about potential changes. I like a couple
of them. So let's start with this change. You don't
like threes at all? Just take away the three point shot. Now,
I like the three point shot, okay, So I don't
like that. I do think when you when you trail big,
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you're down twelve, there's a minute fifteen left. I think
it can get you back into games. The second one,
which I have proposed for several years, you take away
the corner. Three You can't count people in the corner.
That allows more the big guys to stay around the basket,
more big collisions with big bodies around the basket. They're
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not racing to the corner to guard somebody. So I
like this idea. Plus the next idea, which is push
the three pointer back. So I would push it back
about a foot and eliminate the corner. So elite shooters
are still going to hit theirs, but you're not trying
to make Anthony Davis and Jannis three point specialists. Okay,
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so you have fewer threes, but the right, people are
shooting them now. Some have suggested Greg Popovich a couple
of years ago almost fainted a four point line. Now
this is beyond the three. This means, hey, you trail
by four and there's twelve seconds left, you can tie
the game. Don't know if I like that. If you
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trail by four with a minute left, you probably deserve
to lose. So I don't like the idea of this
hail Mary because I don't I think for Steph Curry
and a lot of these NBA guys, they could hit
this thing. Here's another one that I think is fascinating.
Four point circles. Now J Mack is laughing. I think
this is fascinating. So okay, for our radio audience, you
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would have fall small hall. I don't think it's terrible.
Four point circles Now they're right next to half court again.
These are end of half, end of core, end of
shot clock, end of half, end of sequence that you
don't do this often. Nobody's gonna diagram these up. But
it does allow you some strategy. If there's a minute
left that you trail by eight, do you do a three?
(31:14):
Do you consider a four? It forces the defense to
be on their toes. I don't think it's terrible. Here's
another one. I'm not a huge fan of this, but
I think maybe we could try it for a year.
Fifteen foot hoops come on, silly. I think if you
combine two and three, which is take out the corner three,
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move it back like nine inches to a foot Steph's
gonna shoot his. SGA is gonna shoot his. But Aunt
Edwards would probably go, now, I'm gonna shoot to a game,
not ten and so and again I said this earlier
math doesn't equal entertainment. Steve Jobs always understood this. Packaging matters.
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Google glass, smart people created that tech. It was dorky.
Nobody wanted to wear them and meta versus you know,
the head gear. It's just too dorky. Like like, I'm
not saying smart people didn't create it. And I like
new stuff, but I mean, you got guys that shouldn't
be shooting threes, just jacking up crap, and it's like
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this is it's not. And I also think we forget
the most popular player in league history and the most
popular team were the Chicago Bulls. They shot five a
game and one of the reasons we love the Bulls Pippin' slashing, dunking,
Jordan dunking. They had guys that could hit a three. Listen,
that team shot five. If that team played today, they'd
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probably shoot fifteen, but forty three times a game, this
crappy Bulls team shoots a three. That So again, if
you really think about the logo in the NBA, Jerry
West and the Jumpman, and that's an athletic play. That
is Jordan at a dunk contest in the All Star Game.
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The jumpman logo. The reason we use that, and it's
so popular, it's because Jordan's athletic ability. What we don't
want to see is Jordan eaving up a thirty eight
footter leaning back, and that's what the league to watch.
For the record, Jordan was not a great three point shooter.
He had two years when they moved it in and
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the greatest player arguablyever, Michael Jordan, had his two best
years shooting three. The league moved it back out and
Jordan's percentage plummeted. So Michael Jordan knew what he was.
The best player ever is like I'm a mid range guy.
Michael knew what he was. I mean, I don't know,
I like John Morant driving to the Hoop and dunkin.
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That's what I like. That's what does it for me
as a consumer. We'll see you tomorrow in La Been
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Lean Edelman in a while, three time Super Bowl champion, MVP,
twelve years in the NFL. So the Belichick thing is interesting.
Urban Meyer was on a couple hours ago and he said,
you know, now, it used to be in December you
were in your car recruiting. Now they come to you.
He goes, Actually, several years ago I thought Belichick was
(00:46):
a terrible fit in college, but actually now he can
sit in his office. You sit down with Mike Lombardi
and how much do you want have you changed? We've
had so many different opinions on Belichick. What are you
making of it today?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
You know, the more you think about it, the more
it makes sense. One, you know, projecting players. I know
that you're not a big fan of him with that,
but he did have a guy, Steve Neil, who was
a wrestler that was a three time Super Bowl champion guard.
I was a project. I was a quarterback in college.
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He projected me as a receiver.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Gronk.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know Tom Brady seeing know is that a project players. Two,
his dad was a part of that whole thing. He
loves nostalgia. He loves his family. Anything that his father
was a part of he loves. So that makes sense.
And then you know, three, it comes down to NCAA
(01:48):
is pro football now, Like like Urban said, this is
just turning into a introductory pro football.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
League's triple A base. Well, now there is something that
you noted. This is interesting for our audience. Spring football
actually is better in college than the pros because of
the CBA in the NFL is very limiting.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So like when everyone talks about the developmental players, you know,
I've never seen Bill have spring practice full padding. Now
he's going to have fifteen practices to install his system,
full contact, eight hours a week, whatever it is, paths
with pads, to install his offense and get his team ready,
which those in the NFL are passing camps in shorts.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You can't go pads in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
You can't go pads in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
As a matter of fact, when your day is done,
you have such strict work law laws that you have
to leave the facility. You can't throw extra after the facility. Now,
I think, you know, I don't know the college laws,
but I just remember when I was in college, we
used to run so much in six in the morning.
Then we'd go and have foot all practice after and
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then you'd have meetings so.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You could install your whole offense in spring.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
You could install your whole offense in the spring, and
that's what we do in the league through those passing
camps and mini camps. Now it's effective for us because
we've all had a foundation and we're all pros. But
at a younger level, you know, you get to hit.
These kids, they get to hit, and you get to
develop them at a faster eight. So it's going to
be very interesting to see how fundamentally sound his teams
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will be because of that off season spring practice and
the ability to go out and prep full pads.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, so Danny Parkins came on. He knows the Bears well,
he's from Chicago, and he said, listen, Vrabel's a bit
overvalued because he had a losing record, last couple of
years he got into a power struggle. Chicago could be
a power struggle. You're better off going and finding an
offensive coordinator. I think Chicago's too big of a job,
too many obstacles to just say, here, offensive coordinator, run
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the steeplechase. It's too much much. Where do you fall
on that? With Rabel, I fall that.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
If he was interested in the Bears, they should definitely
hire him. They need a culture guy, like I know
that's what you call him, but they need someone that's
gonna grab someone by the back of the neck and say, hey,
I need to talk to you in the hallway because
you're slouching or.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
You're doing this. They need an accountability guy. You know.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's very similar to the Detroit thing with the historical uh,
you know, the amount of losses that they've had historically
in Detroit. They need a culture guy to go get
m c d C. Mike Rabel's m c d C.
But like, this guy's a savant when it comes to football.
And I'm not saying mc d C isn't, but like
I know Vrabel for you know, firsthand. So they need
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a culture guy. They need someone that's gonna be hold
people accountable. And I believe if he wants that job,
he you know, they should try to hire him.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah. Rabel, who told j Mack was it was it
Urban told us last week that he thought Vrabel was
the smartest player he ever coached. Somebody told me that
it was probably uh, Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniel, McDaniels. He
thought he was as smart as any He said he could.
He retained so much information.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, he retained it. And uh, he even gave Brady crap.
He gave everyone crap. And then that was the thing.
He was so smart that he could get under your
skin and you couldn't do anything about it because he
knew your assignment. He knew his assignment. And this is
all while he was on scout team, you know, as
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a starting defensive end playing safety. Like that's the kind
of guy he is, And that's the kind of guy
you need. You need an a hole then that that's
what they're lacking in that locker room.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
There's way too much noise.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Matt Naggey was a great guy in one and they
didn't like that.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, they need someone to come in and and and
you know, tighten things up. They need he had an
identity in in nash In.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Uh, Tennessee, they were tough.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I heard the guy who came in on your show
talking about, well, you need an offensive mine. We need
to You know, all these offensive play callers, don't you know?
They could call plays, But I don't necessarily know about
their leadership skills. You don't know how they're gonna be
as a head coach. Sean McVay and Shanahan aren't just
coming out of the factory. Those guys are you know,
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one of ones. You know, a guy like Mike, you know,
he's a culture guy that's gonna be fundamentally sound, that's
gonna have the respect of every single guy in there
because he's a three time super Bowl winning player. He's
a coach that has a lot of you know, a
lot of merit behind him. Was a you know, number
one seed with Tennessee. Like, this guy's got the resume,
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he's got the attitude, and I think he's what you know,
the Chicago Bears need.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay, So I have said I like brock Purty, you
start talking fifty large, I don't like brock Purty. I
go Sam Darnold at forty for three years over Brockett fifty,
and I think if you look at almost all now
wide receivers different they come third round, fifth, sixth, seventh,
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take out Brady. You look up most great quarterbacks right now,
of the fourteen playoff quarterbacks, twelve or first rounders, Hurts
is a second rounder. You drop to the seventh for
a reason. Scouting is much more sophisticated today than fifteen
years ago and twenty years ago when Tom went. It's
hard to find a sleeper. People like Purty, but he
(07:27):
was reckless, he was small, he struggles in wet weather.
I can't pay him big money. I know he wins.
I can't.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah, am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You know, if there's a five in there at starting
with a five, it's gonna be tough because of what
we're seeing with Sam Donald in Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
His backup last year with the players and the semi
similar scheme that they have, and we're seeing what Sam
Donald is this year. I do agree that the seventh
round thing. I specifically remember it. If you know, I
felt if I was drafted in the third or the
fourth rounds, I would have made probably forty percent more money.
(08:06):
But because I was a seventh rounder. I always got
labeled with that, and you know, I don't know if
that's going to be different with Brock, But just through
this whole year, I remember going and talking about on
kickoff in week five when they were going through a
bit of adversity, they're starting to drop guys. I said, specifically,
this is gonna turn this year. Will determine whether you're
a thirty million dollar quarterback or a fifty million dollar quarterback.
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And through the whole year, it looks more like he's
a thirty million dollar quarterback, which is a great quarterback.
He's a good football player, yes, but we're seeing his
limitations when guys aren't playing and when there's you know,
when there's excuses. You know what did Sean Connery say?
You know, excuses are for losers. Winners are the guys
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who go home take the prompt.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
That's that's just that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I always use the if rule. Yeah, if you're a quarterback,
that's an if, Like Josh Allen is great, Brady's great,
good weather, bad weather. If you're an IF quarterback, two
is the ultimate if. If it's warm, you're at home,
have protection, an offensive coach, and are healthy excellent. A
lot of ifs Brock struggles in wet weather, struggles without McCaffrey,
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struggles playing in the fourth quarter, especially behind. There's a
lot of qualifiers. If I'm if the first numbers five,
you can't be an if guy.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
You can't. You can't.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
And this is a product of this whole system. Okay,
I mean, if you look at it. Two is in
the same system. Yep, Brock's in the same system. Jimmy
G's in the same system, but nothing Timy, Yeah, exactly.
And the only one who really has manifested the whole
thing and won the Super Bowl is Matthew Stafford, who
wasn't born in the system, who was born in a
drop back system that went to this system, the West
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Coast system.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
To number and he's one of the all time great
on He's one of.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
The all time great arms. And that's what I this.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
This this whole Shanahan McVeigh system. It's a it's a
very quarterback friendly system that allows guys to go out.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
And get high production.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Now it's gonna cost you if when you have to
go sign them because of that.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, that's a good point. So I said two days
ago the Philadelphia Eagles have all these qualities that bad
franchises have. The coaches barking at other coaches, the players
are going on local radio and criticizing the chemistry, and
Jalen Hurts and Brandon Ingram aren't tight and they run
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through coordinators. It's like a j Brown, you know issue
with Jalen Hurts, and this is what like Carolina does
or the Bears, And I'm like, but Philadelphia keeps winning.
So they're like strangely effective and productive despite drama and dysfunction.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
How well you get the roster? They have the best
roster in football, I think though, too. You gotta you
gotta tip your cap to Howie and sa Quon when
you have a run game, like with Saquon a generational
running back, he masks a lot of things and winning
masks everything. But this will go and catch up to
them in the playoffs, I believe, so uh you know,
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I know, winning cures a lot, but there's been a
lot of crazy noise and it would be it would
be unreal to me to see if they can continue
to have all these little.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Feutes, these outside noises.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
We got Dom the security guy who's a care like
we have so many things. It would surprise me if
they went on one the Super Bowl, because there's gonna
be a fundamentally sound team that's gonna be mentally tough,
that's not gonna go down this road, that's gonna you know,
that's gonna handle them. Now, I don't want to sound
like a hater. I do sound like a hater right now.
(11:50):
But it's just I've never seen it happen. I've never
seen this with leadership the way that they have that's
to go out and win a Super.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
What's the video we have this week? Sirianni went to
talk to Jalen car He got punked, he got pumped
the Yeah, there's just a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I think there's a lot of lack of respect for
the head coach what I felt, and I like players
can they have.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
The best roster.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
They got really good football players, and but I think
that the leadership. You can't have a head coach that
doesn't have the respect everyone. I just don't when it
comes down to it in like a gotta have it
situation or some kind of something where he's gonna have
to make a decision, I I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
You know, it's it's they've proved me wrong all year.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
But you know we're we're talking about like it's either
super Bowl or bust for this team. Yeah, that's it's
not about getting to the NFC Championships, not about winning
two playoff games.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
This team needs to win.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Now, go to your most dysfunctional year in New England.
I mean, there was a lot of stuff but that.
But but when I watched the documentary go to the
year where you remember thinking it, damn, it's noisy here.
What year was it and what transpired at the end
of the season, I.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Would say nineteen was pretty noisy. That the whole you know,
when we had Ab come in, you know, and then
you know, Rob retired, there was a whole lot of
going on in the front office and that whole thing.
And we lost in the first round to the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That's right, you know, And we were those last game
in Foxborough with without a doubt last throw Logan Ryan
And it was a noisy year.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
That was a noisy year.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Another noisy year I would say was seventeen.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
How'd that end?
Speaker 5 (13:44):
We lost in the Super Bowl to Philadelphielphia.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Oh that was the Malcolm Butler that.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Was a noisy year where you know, we had a
really good football team. I think we threw for five
hundred yards that day and we couldn't win the game.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You know, like, and you felt it during the season.
It was tense.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It was tense, But I was I was kind of
away from the team that year because I was in
the training room.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
I was, you know, doing my ACL. I had my
a cl that year.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Is so, but anytime there was or you know, after
the Hernandez thing, we lose in the playoffs, you know
what I mean, So like anytime there was crazy noise.
And I'm not just trying to hate on Philadelphia. Everything
right has to happen for you to win a Super Bowl.
You know, I've won three of them. I went to
five of them, and some of the best teams I
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played on didn't even get there. Like, everything right has
to go in favor for you to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And when there's little things, they will add up.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It's I remember Belichick always saying, you know, it's like
when you when you put in a hardwood floor and
you have to hammer all the nails down, you have
to make sure you'd hammer every single one because there's
gonna be one that you didn't hammer down, that you
may not see, but six months later you're gonna stub
your toe on that that nail. And that's kind of
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the thing that this is. You know, it's gonna it's
gonna catch up to them. Now, Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
No I think. I mean, you're in your life. There
were three noisy years. You never took call on the trophy,
never took on with trophy. Give me the perfect year
you had when everything worked you literally the Super Bowl was.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
All no We had some noise too.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
What was that Atlanta year?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well, no, the year we went you know whom Tom
was suspended in sixteen. You know, we had noise that year.
But we also had Tom Brady and and Bill Belichick
and that that pair. You know that's not Hurts and Sirianni,
right right, you know what I mean, And I'm not
there's nothing against those guys. They're very good at what
they do, but like, there's nothing like. We had to
(15:41):
have a lot of mental toughness and we had the
best football player in the history of the game, prime
and his prime to do that. So that was like
the one noisy ish year that went on one and
then you know, I was suspended in eighteen for the
first four That was a noisy year, and we won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
But like that was different as well because we have
Belichick and.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Well both of them. The noise was in September. In September,
that's right. These this noise is coming like weekly. It's
weekly noise, and I feel bad because it's it's a
fun team to watch. They're like when you watch a
quality on the football, AJ Brown takes you know his
one he gets slant routes. He gets three or four
slant routes a game that he breaks four tackles on
(16:22):
and gets twenty five. I'll make this argument. I'll make
this argument. This is the most talented NFL roster this
right here. I'm trying to think of one that's second.
I'll tell you that Brady one that won in Tampa
when he basically they got Tristan Wurfs and he was like,
oh crap, he's great, and Gronk came and ab that roster.
(16:43):
Reid dudes everywhere that was they had one issue right
tackling running back, and they solved it that that was
an all start. I mean, hell, that team the year
before had thirty picks by Jamis and almost almost made
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Almost made the playoffs, but he also had thirty three touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Julia, great team, am great to see you one more heard.
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Speaker 1 (18:07):
All right, Jamak with the news.
Speaker 10 (18:13):
This is the keeping it real, you know, with this
whole Eagle stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
We say it yesterday and people come after us online
and you got a former player saying it's like, come on, guys,
pay attention.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
No, it's weird when the coach goes to talk to
a player, not a coordinator, a position coach punks him.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You can't you can't get shoot from I mean, that's
that's bad.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I've never seen it. But this is a new generation.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Maybe I don't know that geration.
Speaker 10 (18:42):
All right, let's get started with a big one.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
On Saturday on Fox, the Ravens hostess Steelers.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
Pittsburgh is won eight of nine against Mentimore.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That crazy is a weird stat.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, now here's the thing. Pittsburgh won the earlier meeting.
They can lock up the division with a win on Saturday.
Here's Tomlin on the matchup.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
Really excited about this opportunity for obvious reasons. It's a
divisional game, it's a road divisional game, it's Baltimore. And
I understand the nature of this rivalry and the amount
of tension that it brings, and it's exciting and humbling
to be a part of it. While at the same time,
we got an opportunity to pursue a division championship this week.
(19:24):
And so man, we're excited. We respect this process of preparation.
We're going to display our excitement by getting singularly focused
on what it is that we need to do to
prepare it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, that is one of the stranger rivalries in the
NFL that Pittsburgh during the Lamar Jackson era has dominated this.
Speaker 10 (19:44):
He hasn't played in all the games he has.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
They banged up a couple times.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
Yeah, I'm just curious. Did I hear you say earlier?
This week Coach of the Year goes to Peyton over
Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I love Tomlin, but I think Peyton's doing more with less.
I think Mike's got a really good roster.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
Wait, Okay, bow Nicks.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
They took on Russell Wilson, who nobody wanted even dumped.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Two years in a row.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well not wait time out. Yeah, there were people interested
in Russell Wilson. He had a market.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
Well, Yattle dumped him.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, okay, a lot of people get dumped. That doesn't
even dumped him. I mean it was Pylon City. There's
a dog pileon Russell. I've fell back for the guy.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think Pittsburgh's rosters damn good. It is.
Speaker 10 (20:29):
It's very good.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It's not Philadelphia. But if you said there were five
other rosters I loved, they'd be in that next spot.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I'm also trying to overcompensate for telling the Steelers they
should trade JJ TJ Watt.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
When did you say that?
Speaker 10 (20:41):
I think in June. You know it's like Hot Take Summer. Yeah,
it's all excited.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
It's like, hey, they should trade whatt take Summer trade
what rebuild that work? I just thought of some we
should just just to make sure because once the NBA ends,
you got about eight weeks nothing, and we should rebrand
our show after the NBA finals Hot Take Summer and
(21:05):
it should be fun, like audience knows this stuff's a
little flammable. This stuff's a little Hey, it's a lot
of dB Cooper theories and bitcoin talk from now on,
new rule on the show two days after the NBA Finals,
the new branding, and we're gonna put it up here
hot take summer.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
We can have like a fire extinguisher like on the set,
just in.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Case it gets a little hot. Yeah, that's not a
bad idea. Look at you coming up with summer ideas.
I'm going to reproduce in the show on the fly.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
All right.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
Next up, this is not a great story. Will Levis
guys had a rough go. Now listen, this is another one.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Coward's doing a victory lap injuring his shoulder, patting himself
on the back because he said Will Levis's gun show
would be a failure.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, I told you. I like he likes the mirror
more than he likes the window.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Levis got benched multiple times this season. Now it's Mason
Rudolph coming in. Rudolph has kind of been okay off,
very very good. But he's a top five backup in.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
The league, Like eight guys is the top five back
I have.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Daniel Jones now is very good. Mason Rudolph is very capable.
Come on, well, who, well, who else a good backup?
Willis has to be Willis? Will in Cincinnati last year?
Who Kate Browning? Browning?
Speaker 10 (22:21):
There you go. So there's a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I know this guy. This guy is doing too many curls.
Get in the film room. Stop lifting weights, have a snickers.
I don't know. It's just too much, too much of this,
too much of you.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Know, snickers.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Can I tell you my theory on quarterbacks that are ripped.
Quarterbacks are one or two things. I like window quarterbacks.
They're always looking out for others. I don't like mirror quarterbacks.
They like looking at themselves. I always feel feel with
Will Levis. He likes lifting weights. He likes them Will Levis,
(22:54):
And I think eventually players feel it. Players sense it.
You start playing all of his hitching and all of
his shoulders, and it's a little gun showy for me.
For the record, I talked to an NFL GM about
this before the draft and I told him I said,
I don't like this combine gun show thing. And this
(23:17):
general manager said, oh, that was discussed amongst our scouts.
It's I'm just telling you it was discussed.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I feel like you're turning into an inside the NBA guy,
just becoming a hater, just.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Trashing the guy.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I watched the NBA Cup last night.
Speaker 10 (23:32):
Now, let's show Will Levis stats on the screen.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
The staff has put together some Will Levis numbers as
a starter.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Okay, what do you want me to do? I got
twenty one tens and twenty five giveaways. What do you
want me to do?
Speaker 10 (23:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
No. By the way, he's exactly what he was in college.
Big arm, good looking kid, gun show, bad judgment. He's
the exact same player.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
So Rudolph has two of Tennessee's three wins this year.
Speaker 10 (23:56):
Will Levis, it's been a rough go.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I don't know what becomes of him, but he's probably
not long in the league.
Speaker 10 (24:01):
Next up, Oh, I love this one.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
College football. My brother's so fired up about this. He
said this to me. Penn State is playing SMU in
the first round of the playoff on Saturday. Great game,
but Penn State is without one of their key players,
their backup quarterback Bo Prabula. And it's not just he's
the backup. I mean this guy's I think got five
rushing touchdowns. He was integral into their offense. Right, He's
(24:23):
entered the portal and will not play. So James Franklin
talked about the poor timing of the transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
We got problems in college football.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And I can give you my word. Bo Prabula did
not want to leave our program. The way the portal
is and the timing of it, and the way our
team is playing, and when you play the position a
quarterback and there's only one spot and those spots are
(24:55):
filling up, he felt like he was put in a
no win situation. And and I agree with him.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
James Franklin is right. They have got to get rid
of this transfer window here. They got to get rid
of it, and your kids are trapped. That kid would
stick around for the playoffs. He wanted to stick around.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
It's aligned, according to all these people who cover. It's
aligned with the calendar for the school year.
Speaker 10 (25:25):
You can't change that for college football. So listen. The
one thing he's wrong about is it's not a no
win situation.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
This kid, Bot Pabula is probably gonna double whatever Penn
State was paying him on nil and he's going to
be the starter somewhere. He gets to hand pick. You know,
the quarterbacks had to hit the portal quickly. Yeah, because
it's like music to be war.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, right, I get it. I just don't want the
kid to be viewed as selfish. He had no choice,
he corrected. Yeah, as long as everybody knows that this
kid had no choice. He wanted to be a Nittany Lion,
or at least het. Through the playoffs, the starter drew
a lair coming.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
He's coming back. Remember you talked about him as a
pro prospect.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I think are I think he needs another year in college.
I do think he's a pro prospective.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Ben Yeah, but if he's staying I'm the bachelor?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Am I doing?
Speaker 10 (26:07):
I gotta go elsewhere? So I understand why he's doing this.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Listen, this portal discussion is fab I'm sure Klatt is watching.
His head is exploding because he's very fired up about this.
It feels like there's some pearl clutching in the college.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Football a little bit. Come on, this is so to
I mean, yesterday everybody's freaking out in La Lincoln. Riley
lost two receivers. You know who? He didn't lose his
two best receivers, the two guys that actually Lane and
and Lemon. The has branches a lot of high school hype.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
I've heard.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I know what happened. Well, the branch has wanted a
lot of money, like they wanted their own bank branch
in US. He said, no, than is it messy? Yes?
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Are they going to figure it out?
Speaker 11 (26:53):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
But you and I you.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Say this, we love chaos on the show. Well, and
this transfer portal is chaos in college football.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I like chaos for a couple of weeks twice a year.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
And by the way, USC isn't losing their best players.
They lost some five star recruits that haven't done anything anywhere,
so that that's just the star recruiting service.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
And oh, by the way, I'll just remind everybody SMU's
in the playoff, Arizona States in the playoff Boise Indiana.
Look at how many transfers they've had in the playing
field has been totally leveled.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
I love this column.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
I like a good underdog. I know you're a coastal elite.
You're very upset at.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Alabama, very like Arizona State in I like. I think
it's fun. I don't think they're gonna win a game,
but it's fun. You love that coastal elite thing. Last
time I checked you live on the beach. I ain't
living in Iowa. I'll tell you that we gotta go
to break. I suggested Chicago. You freaked out J Mack
(27:53):
with the news.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd.
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Lie.
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the Midwest. I just take my winter jacket. No big deal.
Yeah yeah, one of us knows. The Dells is in
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Speaker 1 (28:37):
Okay, J Mac, we like new stuff, you think? So
what kind of progressive thinkers on new stuff in sports?
And I've said today that there's the NBA is unbalanced, uneven.
I like the three point shot. I don't like the
league to be all three point shots, like seventy two shots.
Last night, I mean, Oklahoma was like five of thirty
so something like that. It was just ridiculous. So I thought,
(28:59):
here are changes that you could summer radical some or not.
So let's talk about potential changes. I like a couple
of them. So let's start with this change. You don't
like threes at all? Just take away the three point shot. Now,
I like the three point shot, okay, So I don't
like that. I do think when you when you trail big,
(29:22):
you're down twelve, there's a minute fifteen left. I think
it can get you back into games. The second one,
which I have proposed for several years, you take away
the corner. Three You can't count people in the corner.
That allows more the big guys to stay around the basket,
more big collisions with big bodies around the basket. They're
(29:44):
not racing to the corner to guard somebody. So I
like this idea. Plus the next idea, which is push
the three pointer back. So I would push it back
about a foot and eliminate the corner. So elite shooters
are still going to hit theirs, but you're not trying
to make Anthony Davis and Jannis three point specialists. Okay,
(30:08):
so you have fewer threes, but the right, people are
shooting them now. Some have suggested Greg Popovich a couple
of years ago almost fainted a four point line. Now
this is beyond the three. This means, hey, you trail
by four and there's twelve seconds left, you can tie
the game. Don't know if I like that. If you
(30:28):
trail by four with a minute left, you probably deserve
to lose. So I don't like the idea of this
hail Mary because I don't I think for Steph Curry
and a lot of these NBA guys, they could hit
this thing. Here's another one that I think is fascinating.
Four point circles. Now J Mack is laughing. I think
this is fascinating. So okay, for our radio audience, you
(30:52):
would have fall small hall. I don't think it's terrible.
Four point circles Now they're right next to half court again.
These are end of half, end of core, end of
shot clock, end of half, end of sequence that you
don't do this often. Nobody's gonna diagram these up. But
it does allow you some strategy. If there's a minute
left that you trail by eight, do you do a three?
(31:14):
Do you consider a four? It forces the defense to
be on their toes. I don't think it's terrible. Here's
another one. I'm not a huge fan of this, but
I think maybe we could try it for a year.
Fifteen foot hoops come on, silly. I think if you
combine two and three, which is take out the corner three,
(31:36):
move it back like nine inches to a foot Steph's
gonna shoot his. SGA is gonna shoot his. But Aunt
Edwards would probably go, now, I'm gonna shoot to a game,
not ten and so and again I said this earlier
math doesn't equal entertainment. Steve Jobs always understood this. Packaging matters.
(31:59):
Google glass, smart people created that tech. It was dorky.
Nobody wanted to wear them and meta versus you know,
the head gear. It's just too dorky. Like like, I'm
not saying smart people didn't create it. And I like
new stuff, but I mean, you got guys that shouldn't
be shooting threes, just jacking up crap, and it's like
(32:19):
this is it's not. And I also think we forget
the most popular player in league history and the most
popular team were the Chicago Bulls. They shot five a
game and one of the reasons we love the Bulls Pippin' slashing, dunking,
Jordan dunking. They had guys that could hit a three. Listen,
that team shot five. If that team played today, they'd
(32:39):
probably shoot fifteen, but forty three times a game, this
crappy Bulls team shoots a three. That So again, if
you really think about the logo in the NBA, Jerry
West and the Jumpman, and that's an athletic play. That
is Jordan at a dunk contest in the All Star Game.
(33:01):
The jumpman logo. The reason we use that, and it's
so popular, it's because Jordan's athletic ability. What we don't
want to see is Jordan eaving up a thirty eight
footter leaning back, and that's what the league to watch.
For the record, Jordan was not a great three point shooter.
He had two years when they moved it in and
(33:21):
the greatest player arguablyever, Michael Jordan, had his two best
years shooting three. The league moved it back out and
Jordan's percentage plummeted. So Michael Jordan knew what he was.
The best player ever is like I'm a mid range guy.
Michael knew what he was. I mean, I don't know,
I like John Morant driving to the Hoop and dunkin.
(33:44):
That's what I like. That's what does it for me
as a consumer. We'll see you tomorrow in La Been
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