December 18, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin has major problems with the current NBA and commissioner Adam Silver finally admits they are going to have to do something about it
There is an obvious choice for the Bears next head coach
Brock Purdy might be in for a rude awakening if he decides to ask for too much money
Guest: Danny Parkins
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Meyer in one hour from now. Danny parkins later this
hour on the Bears coaching search. I'll get to that
in five minutes. But last night, and we both love basketball,
was the NBA Cup. I'm not sure you notice that
they they turned the seats blue last night to hide
the fact about half of them were empty. So it's
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very interesting. We'll start with this. I like the NBA.
Congrats to the Milwaukee Bucks. They beat OKC last night.
Two very good teams. But Adam Silver was talking to
the media. He acknowledged that television ratings have fallen on
a cliff, but one of his lines was listen to this, Well,
we're at the point where our social media audience is
at the highest of any league. Yeah, congrats for crushing
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Twitter and ig and TikTok. Ain't paying the bills, bra, Amazon, NBC,
ESPN are your partners for the next decade? Twitter TikTok
may not even be legal in six weeks. Who gives
a rip about social media? You know what else is
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crushing on social media? Young people taking their clothes off. Congratulations,
it's not paying the bills either. So my takeaway is,
Oklahoma City, here's what I saw last night. Shoot thirty
two threes and make five. The game is repetitive and boring.
Roger Goodell and Rob Manfred have taken a lot of
heat for cultural changes they've made with a sport. A
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lot of old timers and purists have pushed back rule changes,
and they've been right. Rob Manford two for two this
last year. Goodell multiple moves almost always right. Adam Silver
needs to change the game. The three point shot is
boring and repetitive. Every team plays the exact same way.
I've said before. I would move the three point arc
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into the bench, eliminate the corner, move it back afoot,
make it part of the game, not the game. Last
night you had seventy two threes. That's not good at
the YMCA, and it's not good in Pro basketball. The
most entertaining team in league history that had the highest
ratings Michael Jordan Bulls. Do you know what they because
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they were athletic in high flying five threes a game.
This year's Bulls average forty four. You might as well
turn Michael Jordan's jumpman logo if he played today in
the MJ with a fallaway twenty seven footer boring. It
needs to be part of the game, not the game.
By the way, Major MiG Baseball defensive shift, all the
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analytics proved you could get more guys out that way.
You were right, But nobody wants to watch Bryce Harper
and you know Shohey o Tani and Milkie Betts lining
out to a second baseman playing right field and then
heading back to the dugout. You want him on television.
And I've said this about tech before. You gotta be
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more than just smart. With tech Google glasses, the meta
headsets for dorks. The consumers were like, yeah, it's smart.
Who wants to walk around We're in a meta headset
and be a huge dork. Packaging matters. Steve Jobs the
greatest mind ever in Silicon Valley. He always understood packaging matters.
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It can't just be math. If the NFL, if the
Philadelphia Eagles could get five yards of toush push, they
would never have to do any other play, and the
NFL would outlaw. It's okay that they do it twice
a game. If they got to ten times, the NFL
would outlaw and should in packaging matters, how a game
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looks my entire life. I watched the NBA. All of
our favorite players have been like MJ and Kobe and
athletic players. There's a reason the dunk contest is usually
more fun to watch than the three point shooting contest.
The NBA has the world's greatest athletes, and Edwards now
shoots ten and a half. Three's a game. Yuck. I
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don't mind three. I want to see him drive to
the basket. It can't just be about well analytics say.
Math isn't always good for sports. The defensive shift, Yeah,
got more people out. I want Mookie Betton, Bryce Harbor
on base, not in the dugout. The three point shot now,
it's just too repetitive. It's boring. Everybody plays the same.
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So these are all TV shows. I don't care that
you're big on TikTok. Tech can't be just smart, and
sports can't just be efficient with analytics. It's gotta be entertaining.
Aunt Edwards, you know it's funny. I was telling a
friend last night. I said this idea that everybody has
to shoot analytics. But what if you don't have good
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three point shooters. That's like saying, you know, all kids
have to drink milk. What if you're lactose intolerant. I
had a stomach ache for thirteen years. I was told
I had to drink milk. It's not good for everybody.
Three pointers were good for the Warriors, not bad for Milwaukee.
When chet Holmgren's not playing OKAC shouldn't be shooting them.
Everybody chased the Warriors for years. One team was winning
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titles shooting a bunch of threes. The Warriors. So Adam
Silver do a, rob Manfred do A Roger Goodell. Nobody
cares about TikTok congrants dominating that. You know what the
NFL cares about Fox, Amazon, Netflix, CBS, ESPN. That's what
they care about their broadcast partners because that's that's driving
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the money in the league. Butts in seats and butts
on their couch watching on TV. Okay, so here, I
saw this story this morning from like a Something link
to Bleacher Report. Joe Brady is a strong candidate for
the Bear's job. No, he's not. We know Joe Brady
from two things, being the offensive coordinator of the Buffalo
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Bills offense with Josh Allen not the biggest lift in
the world, and also being the passing game coordinator for
Joe Burrow at LSU with Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase
hah not exactly big lift ed orser on one and
Natty with that team. Love Ed, but he won a Natty. Okay,
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the Chicago Bears can't be your first gig. Can't be.
He's never been high school code. Can't be your first gig.
And I'll give you an example. Everybody that works on
the construction of a bridge is a great tradesman. Everybody
is great at something, but about one or two people
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can lead the project. They're called architects and engineers. The
Chicago Bears are a bridge project, but not just a
bridge project. They're the Golden gate Bridge. They're the biggest
bridge project of the decade. They've never had a quarterback
throw for four thousand yards. The packers are up around
five thousand annually. Like this is the ultimate bridge project.
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You can't say, Hey, this guy over here, Joe Brady,
he's great with asphalt. I can find those guys and
they're good tradesmen and they deserve to be paid, but
they can't lead the project. You've got oldest owners in
the league, a loud and relentless and powerful media, a
general manager who had a he's got a spotty track record.
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Don't hate him, don't love him. And a president Kevin
Warren who reportedly is and I've been told this can
be very, very political. This is not a job for
a coordinator or a job for somebody that's never even
be a high school coach. This is the big bridge project.
You go and you go, and you get the firm.
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You don't have in the biggest murder case in a
law firm, have a junior associate on the case. You
got some old guy with salt and pepper hair and
it's his forty seventh murder case. This is a big
job with a loud media. There's talent on the roster,
but there's talent on the Jets roster. There are so
many obstacles here. And again I'm not saying Joe Brady
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can't do it, but Mike Vrabel can do it. Mike
Rabel was coached hard in the ecosystem of Belichick. Mike
Rabel was in Tennessee and they've had plenty of dysfunction.
He had to win a division without a great quarterback
or an ascending quarterback. So the idea I keep seeing
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all these coordinators for this job. You can't hire a
guy who's good with asphalt to build the golden gate bridge.
This is a grown up job. You need the top
lawyer to handle this case. You need somebody that's been
to a conference championship, that can deal with dysfunction, that
can blow stuff up, start over and build a culture.
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That's what Harball was, That's what Dan Campbell was. You know,
Dan Campbell had been interim head coach, but he've been
an interim head coach, and he had many people in
the league, like like the Bill Parcells at Jimmy Johnson's
guys like that were on the phone saying this guy
can do it, and they were right, he can. But
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if I hear another one of these coordinators, listen, Joe
Brady can coach. But having Joe Burrow in college with
the best receiving court collegiately in the history of the sport,
and Josh Allen, that's a pretty light lift. That's not
what Chicago is, not even close to what Chicago is,
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all Right, Danny Parkins, we'll talk about that in about
thirty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You know, we bring a guy on this show who
I like a lot, Brian Baldinger, and he is very
good at breaking down footage. And again he's not in
the payroll for anybody he played in this league. He's
an offensive lineman. Very interesting suggestion by Baldy today looking
at film on what the Niners should do at quarterback.
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I'm not sure if you're gonna love this story.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I haven't heard it, but I have heard other people
tell me that they should swap Rock Purty for a
certain quarterback round.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, you love.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, America's honesty broker. I'm not taking sides. I'm just
gonna present what Baldy says. And it's very interesting for
a guy, by the way, as a former cowboy, he
didn't give a rip.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Well, I mean, listen, if I'm going to buy a
house and there's two houses, what's my number one?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Location is the number one thing in real estate? But
price point is next and brock Berty won sixty mili.
Good luck in Tennessee or wherever you're playing next to.
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Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's Covino and Rich said it before. Don't confuse a
great story for a great team, a great coach, or
a great player. So Brian Balding or Baldy, he played
in the NFL for years, had played every offensive line position,
great at breaking down the game. You'll see him doing
that on the internet, so he said yesterday, when asked,
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he said, listen, if you're asking me Donald or brock Purty.
Donald's been in that system. I'd take Donald, so would I.
If the price point is Sam Darnald for three years
at forty million and Brock Purtty for four years at
fifty to fifty five million, which he wants. So they're
going for it the Brock pretty camp. So Donald's bigger,
more athletic, with a better arm. Now, both, in my opinion,
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have only flourished with a great offensive coach, and that
may be the only time they do flourish. Purty and
Donald neither has shown an ability to elevate average players,
but both they're hyper productive when they have great players
around them. So I'm going to take the better arm,
the better athlete at a better price, and it's not difficult.
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Sam Donald, by the way, still in his prime twenty
seven and and has double the starts, so he's a
more experienced guy. But here's the thing. People love the
story of Brock perty being drafted in the seventh round.
It's a cool story. But of the fourteen teams currently
in the playoff, twelve have first round quarterbacks and Jalen
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Hurts is a second rounder. Here's all the first round
quarterbacks in the NFL. You know, it's all the good ones.
Josh Allen Burrow right now, Donald Goff, Herbert Lamar Love
Patrick Mahomes, Baker, Kyler, Murray Stafford, CG. Stroud, all first
round talents. Jalen Hurts, who most people who break down
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film say isn't great from the pocket, but I do
think is a really good quarterback. He's a second rounder.
And then there's Brock who has struggled when it's wet,
who has struggled without Christian McCaffrey, and Trent Williams who
can be reckless like Donald. But I don't get the
upside physically arm mobility that I get with Sam Darnold.
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So people, I think have always confused the story with
the truth. Yeah, Rock, Perty's a great story. And if
you get a guy that starts in the seventh round,
you don't have to pay him for four years. He's
basically free. But don't make the exception the rule. The
guys hoisting trophies are first round guys. Aikman, Bradshaw, you
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know that's them and net Well, what about Brady again,
you're making the exception the rule. Tom Brady is the
greatest player in the history of the NFL, and he
was a six round pick. I acknowledge that. But in
the current NFL, where you get far Brady would not
last until the sixth round. Today, scouting is more sophisticated.
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Young players get more looks from more eyes, from twelve
years of age on. If you're I'm with Brian Boldinger,
if you're telling me, I get Sam at twenty seven.
Both of these guys have shown they can be highly
productive with a great offensive coach. Neither's ever proven they
can elevate average talent. I don't I don't even think
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it's tough. I'm going Sam Darnold J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
No, no news. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
All right.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Well, the big NFL news last night was out of Atlanta,
where the Falcons have benched Kirk Cousins. They will roll
with Michael Pennix Junior, the rookie, against the Giants at
home this weekend. Cousins Colin has been a brutal last
five games, one touchdown, nine interceptions, got old fast Pennix
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takes over. The Bucks are still just one game back
in the South. I saw a stat that Kirk Cousins
has been so bad that in the last game against
the Raiders on Monday, they had twenty three first down
place they ran the ball on twenty two of them.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
They're just like Kirks and mobile. He can't do anything.
He's limited, he struggling.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We're just gonna run the football. This is a little
you know what this is. This is a little Flaco
Lamar Jackson. They wanted Flacco to last the year. They
wanted Lamar to sit for the year. They got to
week eleven and they're like, Okay, it's not working. And
then they went with him a little earlier, probably than
they wanted. They knew he was good in practice. Well
Pennix reportedly dan Orlowski said, he's been here here and
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nothing but good things. So I'm just telling you he
was great in college. A lot of starts.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
PA saw him in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
This year, but they shut him down. Remember they shut
him down and Arthur Blank wrote a one hundred and
eighty million dollar check. You're not going to do a
rotating quarterback. When Arthur Blank's like, got you guys talked
me into signing him. You got to play him. And
I think I think he would have been replaced two
weeks ago. If he had come off the street and
the cost him twenty million, I think they would have
moved off him three weeks ago. I think they wanted
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to make sure he was on fumes and now it
may have been too late because the Bucks are hot
and may just go into the playoffs on like a
seven game winning streak. But if Tampa falters and Pennix
is good, Atlanta wins the division because they have the tiebreaker.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
So let's give Pennix a quick second before we go
back to Cousins. I'm a huge Penix guy. I loved
him coming out. Listen.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Lamar just threw five touchdowns against the Giants. There's a
Pennix at home. Hopefully they open up the offense. I
think he's got an opportunity to cook this weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, do you think?
Speaker 7 (18:01):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think he's very good. Listen. The quarterback I worried
about was always JJ McCarthy because he played under Harbaugh's
run first system. Surround him and my takeaway is, I mean,
he just doesn't throw that much. He doesn't look big.
Then I watched him the preseason and I thought, okay,
But I thought Penix, bo Nix, Jaden and Caleb. I
thought all of them. I thought it was going to
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be four out of five Penix. I never doubt it.
I just when I watched JJ McCarthy, I was like,
you know, Michigan was turning and handing it to Blake
Korum for the last two years with that old line
and d line. But I think, JJ, you cross your
fingers on the MRI or whatever the surgery had. But
I always thought Penix, if if I would have moved
up for a quarterback we knew Caleb was going on
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Jayden two. I thought Pennix, not JJ McCarthy, would be
the quarterback people moved up for.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Okay, So now to Cousins. Colin.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
He is thirty six years old. He turns thirty seven
next August, right, right he is? I think a guaranteed
twenty seven mil was what I saw from the Falcons
next year. Is this a Russell Wilson scenario where they say,
you know what, We're not keeping you as the backup.
We're gonna go ahead and cut you. We owe you
the money. You can go wherever you want.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Kurt. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And then someone San Francisco, which has always had a
Shanahan's always had a love affair with Cousins. Can San
Francisco say, hey, give us the Russell Wilson deal, come
play for us.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
For a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, you'll be our starter in San fran Yeah, and
we move.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The difference is Russell at the end in Denver with
Peyton did not look washed. In fact, his numbers are
very similar now to Bo Nixon. I mean, what we're
seeing now is a major big pitcher and his fastball
is eighty six.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
True.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
We know Shanahan has arguably the best offensive mind in.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
The league's the top three.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, I would trust Shanahan to fix whatever ales Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Listen, in this league right now, old unathletic quarterbacks are
not hoisting trophies. Can you know who is young athletic quarterbacks?
So to me, that San Francisco forty nine ers standard
is get a trophy, not go to the Super Bowl.
They've been there twice. Get a ring. So Kirk Cousins
is not winning the NFC. He not extending any plays.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Okay, so where where does he land? Don't tell me
he's out of the league. That's there's no.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Way I'll throw one at you for a year. Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Tennessee makes sense, but it's outdoors.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I'm just saying, well, so San Francisco, it's not like
that's warm weather.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
The division is Arizona indoors, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like Kirk Cousins is is. I think Russell Wilson's ability
to move the pocket his ability. I still think. I
still think Russell's got about eighty percent of his juice.
I think Kirk's got about forty percent. Now, oh, I mean,
I'm you're watching the same games I am. Those out
patterns now float interesting.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
I guess I just trust shan Ina hand to fix him.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But we'll see.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
He's gonna play in the league next year somewhere. Next
up Colin is the Eagles twelve and two. Though it's
been drama filled, it feels like every week. Hall of
Famer Brian Dawkins believes he's seen some growth from the team,
saying there's a whole lot of maturing going on in Philadelphia,
adding friction is not a bad thing. Friction helps remove
the impurities off the surface.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Okay, I will say this, They are good television period.
I don't even I've said this about the Phillies and
I'll say it about the Eagles. There's something about home
games in Philly that jump off the TV. And I
find this team and the security guard and Nick Serianni
and the drama. I think you know Jim Nance said
this week and he thought Buffalo was America's team, And
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it feels like to me a lot of people are
rooting for the Bills this year. But I would say,
if you're talking about an entertainment product, Buffalo's right up
there and Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Detroit still up there they are.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But Goff is an electric I'm watching him this past week.
Jalen hurts he was spectacular.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
He was, he was good good.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I guess we have different standards.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
I don't know. I want to see if A. J.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Brown's playing, Honestly, that's all that matters to me in
this game. If AJ Brown's in, he goes with. If
he's out, I'll take.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
The Commander's money line.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
All right. You don't think A. J.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Brown's the man there in Philly.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think he's one of the men, and I think
he's a valuable man. Saquan dinged up, let's slow down, man,
all right? Okay, dinged up? I got I got run.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
All binged up.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
By the way, how about Sirianni raving about Kenneth Gainwell
after I don't know, if you.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
See it's pretty good. He's not a thirty carry guy,
but he just seemed a little odd that he was.
I mean, he's a gadget speed guy. He's not You're
not gonna give him twenty carries, but he's a nice
little backup running.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
But certainly certainly final story is the Rams started out
the year one in four. Just like last year, they
turned it on when it mattered most. They won seven
of nine, first place to the NFC West. They're in
the driver's seat given the Seattle Gino Smith situation.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
But McVeigh knows.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It doesn't matter that you're in the driver's seat unless
you're finished strong.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
And j anything that we've talked about for the last
see in four weeks, you know, unless this season today,
it's all just temporary, and you know, we've got to
continue to be one day at a time, one moment
at a time, in one game at a time like
what we've been. I think it's a testament to the
group to be able to handle some of the things
that they've handled over the last few weeks. But all
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of it is not relevant unless we continue to do
something about it. And the only thing that we can
do is have a great week of preparation against a
very challenging opponent who we have tremendous respect for.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I will say I think they have. I think they
are one draft away. They need to get an elite corner,
another an elite left tackle, and this draft has a
bunch of both, and another sideline receiver. I think. I
think they're really, really good. But I think this year,
by the end of the year, Buffalo has had moments
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where they look great, and I think Philadelphia has had
moments where they look great. Detroit looked great early, they're
not great now. Too many injuries. So you know, we
say great doesn't win. Very Few Super Bowl champs or
college football national championships are great. Most are very very good.
When I watched Philadelphia this past weekend, or I watched
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Buffalo's offense, I see great and I think I think
the Rams are very good. But there are about four
players from great that's it. Left tackle, corner, perimeter receiver,
and I would say another really athletic linebacker.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
A tricky game this week in New York outdoors.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I know it is. I stay, it's a three and
a half point line. What do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And Jets are dumb enough to win this game? And
their draft seeding, and it wouldn't wouldn't shock me. You know,
the defense has been just shredded the last month.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I mean, Aaron's watching that Enigma Netflix doc. He's trying
to feeling himself. I'm twelve minutes in and I just
didn't I'd seen the whole story. Well, i'd seen the
whole story before. He's not secretive or private like Michael
Jordan was. So in Michael Jordan's doc, there's a lot
I didn't know because Michael's very he's very private. Aaron.
I've seen his feet, I know the whole story. I
read the Ian O'Connor book, so there's not a lot
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I didn't know. He gets really high in the second episode.
I've been told, but I don't know if.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
That's really high, like altitude or just like well, pharmaceuticals, mushrooms.
So do you remember we had gone to the Super Bowl,
but we went to Vegas last year and we heard
the story that, oh there's cameras following around Aaron Rodgers,
and we talked about around Aaron.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
That's what this is.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I like documentaries. I tried. I just I know
too much about him, so I'm not that interested in
his journey because I've already read everything and he's not
a private person. He's on he talks about it all
the time, and so it's.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Like, if he does ayahuasca, let me know, I will.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's the episode two. Oh god, yeah, it's the hippie episode.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They just thrilling, all right. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, it's oh, you know, I I let me say this. So,
Dion Sanders has been a bit of a revelation, and
what he's really been is he's been a present for
all of us. Deon Sanders is fun. And he's saying
that he thinks Bill Belichick his quote here is his
track record stands alone. Bill Belichick's gonna find college football
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success much more easily in college than the pros. So
here's the thing. I feel like college football to Belichick.
If he's an artist, you're taking his brush. College football
is constantly taking your brush. If you're a scheme guy,
Bill's the best defensive coach in the sports history, college
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or pro. His IQ, his relentless work culture college football
gives you twenty hours a week to coach. I mean,
never forget ed oh one to Natty. He's a great recruiter.
I'm watching Lincoln Riley, very good with schemes, struggle Chip Kelly,
so I don't want to be a head coach anymore.
(26:55):
He's a great x as and O's guy. He hates recruiting.
Ed Orgeron has a Natty. Ed's a recruiter. College football
is charisma, it's patience, it's personality, and that's not Belichick.
I mean his default personality is inconvenience and annoyed. That's
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like his default. His resting chin of a personality is
I've been inconvenienced. College football is just layers and layers
of needy donors. That's silly, collective, high maintenance administrators having
to play by somebody else's rules. In the NFL, you
have one owner, and by the way, Bob Kraft say
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what you want, mostly stayed out of the way for years.
He once told him, we're not trading Tom Brady. You
gotta move Garoppolo. Not exactly a huge sacrifice. Every day
in college football is a time sacrifice, and you're only
allowed to coach twenty hours. So if you look at
the great college coaches. I mean Nick Saban. You could say, oh,
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he's an Ex's and O's guy. Nick's got charisma. You
watch on television, He's funny. Nick is really charismatic. Bill
is on TV. He doesn't qualify as charismatic. He's he's smart.
I have never doubted that. But people think college football
in the NFL, you know, it's the same sport. No
it's not. No, no, no, it's not. In the NFL.
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You are allowed to really if you if you're dedicated enough,
you stay overnight in the facility. That's that's not college.
There are limitations on how smart a smart guy can be.
So I've never bought this. I don't think it's a
good fit, and I think college football has gotten needier
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and more difficult here. But Dion thinks he's gonna be
I mean, it's gonna be easier than it was for
Bill and the pros.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
No one in the NFL has accomplished what he's accomplished
and making that translate to college football.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I feel like.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
It's an easier road for him to come to college
football and have SSS than it is to rekindle that.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Fire that he had in New England.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
I love the move. I love what he does to
college football. I loved the excitement it generates. I love
coach Belichick.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Man No, I like that too. For the record, I
don't think Dion would be as successful in the pros,
even though he was the greatest cornerback of all time.
I think Dion's personality his charisma. In college, where players
select you, He's got swag, he's got attitude. Dion's still cool.
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Puts the cowboy hat on in the shades. Bill's known
for cutting off the sleeves on a hoodie. Remember, in
the pros, you select the players. In college, they select you,
so charisma matters. I've been in a room, I've gone
out and had beers with ed Oh. You just can't
help love the guy. You're sitting in there, and you're like, man,
if I was a high school football star, I'd want
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to play for ed Oh. And college football limits the
number of practice hours. If you're a great recruiter, hire
a good coordinator, you go in to Natty. That's not
the way it works in the NFL. The smartest coaches
in the world are in the NFL, and you can
coach for hours. Danny Parkins. We're going to talk bears
next Chicago.
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Speaker 1 (30:20):
The Breakfast Ball News show. Pipeline to the Pros is
his book. He's our friend, Danny Parkins. He is joining
us live, former Chicago radio host and knows the city
very very well. So I've been talking about this now
for the last couple of weeks. It was my second
story today I heard Joe Brady's name came up, and
the analogy I used Danny was listen, everybody that works
on a bridge to build a bridge as a tradesman.
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But if you're gonna be the leader of the project,
you have to be an engineer and architect. This needs
an engineer an architect, not just a tradesman. I don't
want any coordinators getting the bear's job. This is a big,
big project. Is Vrabel the name you would? I mean,
where are you on him? Because he's the biggest name
out there.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We are not aligned on this one. Colin and I
love the analogy as always, it's excellent work. But I'll
take the tradesman. I want the offensive guy Mike Rabel
should coach Cincinnati, where they have Joe Burrow and the
offense is established. He should coach Dallas where they have
Dak Prescott and the offense is established. Go coach Ohio
State if you want. I feel like Mike Rabel. We've
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overrated him because time away has helped him age pretty well.
People were like, oh my god, he won twelve games.
That team had Derrick Henry, that team had AJ Brown.
Arthur Smith was the offensive coordinator. We've seen that he
can raise the floor of a quarterback. He's doing it
with Russell Wilson and he did it with Ryan Tannehill.
That last year, there were power struggles in Tennessee. He
went six and eighteen in his last twenty four games.
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He wanted all the power. He couldn't replace Arthur Smith
at offensive coordinator. They had a seven game losing streak
to finish a season. So Caleb Williams is at an
inflection point. He's at a FOURK of the road moment
in his career. I want to try to find the
coach that can win and develop and maximize any quarterback.
Go find your Kevin O'Connell, Go find your Matt Lafleur,
(32:09):
you're Sean McVay.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
You'r Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
If you can't get those guys in the trade, go
try to find the next one, because the Bears need
offensive help.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, leadership is a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I'm not going to dispute it, but I think this
leader of men's stuff is grossly overrated. All football coaches
are supposed to be leaders of men.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
So we got into this yesterday. We talked about brock Purdy.
The story is better than the truth. If you go
look at the fourteen playoff teams, twelve have first round
quarterbacks and Jalen Hurst. Jalen Hurts was in the second round,
Lamar and Josh and Mahomes and Goff, Matt Stafford. Brock
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Purdy reportedly wants fifty five large. I've said I'll take
Sam Darnold for forty. I'm not even not blinking an eye.
Do you believe that the story of brock perty has
now surp as the reality much like maybe vravel to me.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yes, I do, and I've been there for a while
on it. But the problem is, and you're a market guy,
the market has spoken here like brock party should not
give San Francisco any sort of hometown discount. He's accomplished
more than Jordan love has when he got his pay day,
than tu a Head when he got his pay day.
So I expect brock Perty to ask for a market
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rate deal. He won't break Dak Prescott's number necessarily, He's
not gonna have the highest contract ever, but he will
be in that fifty five million plus range. And if
I was the GM, I wouldn't give.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It to him.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But I do think that San Francisco will because it's
a have and a have not league, and they tried
it with Trey Lance. They got three first round picks
and it failed miserably for them. So I expect brock
Perty to get paid, and I think it's gonna be
a mistake.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Well then what would you do if you're Minnesota? Daniel
Jones isn't the future JJ McCarthy is. Would you let
Donald go? I would struggle letting him out of the building.
I'd franchise Tag, which is a lot of money. But
what do you do with Donald see?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I think this is a situation where Kevin O'Connell is
the miracle worker. Kevin O'Connell has final say here Hey,
do you think that you can do with Sam with
JJ McCarthy what you did with Sam Donald. If he
says yes, then you let someone else pay Sam Donald.
And you've got JJ McCarthy, who you liked, who you
traded up for, who you use the first round pick on,
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who they must have loved in the evaluation process, and
you trust that Kevin O'Connell can do it again.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
If he has any doubts.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
About JJ McCarthy from being around him for a year,
then of course you do what you said and you
keep Sam Donald in the building.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, so I wouldn't play Mahomes this weekend. I think
they're good enough with Carson Wentz to beat Houston. I
don't think they. I just wouldn't even risk it. What's
the point. But there are reports he will play. What
would be your tact going forward with Mahome football players play?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I've been shocked by this, the number nos and someone
like you or me saying don't play. That makes sense
because we are soft by nature. We wear makeup and
we're like, oh my god, he's spraying to vekle and
then three hundred Pouders are going to try to tackle
him and will Anderson and Daniel Hunter against those tackles,
it's a terrible matchup. What TJ. Watt four days later
(35:24):
is a great matchup? Or the Broncos pass rush a
week after that, We have no idea. They said it
was a mild ankle sprain. They said if it was
a playoff game, he could have gone back in. They
absolutely still have something to play for. I mean home
field advantage the Arrowhead Invitational. Buffalo needed to go to
Kansas City. That would seem to matter a great deal here.
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Buffalo wins out, Kansas City needs to win at least
two of their last three to retain home field advantage.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
So I think he will play.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I think he should play.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
These guys work three hundred and sixty five days a
year for seventeen Sundays.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
They play hurt all the time.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I don't think you get a ton of benefit by
resting him for four extra days against Pittsburgh. And if
someone said it, it.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Would be a doctor, not a talk show host. Finally,
I want your stamp on this. I think Belichick is
going to go one year and then go back to
the NFL. I think college is just a bunch of
nonsense and portal and also you only get a coach
twenty hours a week. Eric the Enemy told us yesterday
on the show, So it limits your ability to grind.
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It's go shake hands. And Bill's not going to be
on the recruiting trail trying to find a corner. I
think it's one year college wears him out. Mike Lombardi's
got no interest being an athletic department. It's too much
of a pro model. What say you.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I don't believe that he wants this job. I think
that this was I want to coach in the NFL.
Only one team showed interest last year. It was Atlanta.
I lost out on that to Raheem Morris. Is anyone
as any NFL team going to give him the power
and the control that he craves. I think he has
a great agent. He knows everybody. He was talking to
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people through back channels. That was what seth Wickersham's reporting suggested.
And he didn't think that job was going to be
there for him this time, and so instead of doing media,
he would rather coach at North Carolina because he'd rather
coach somewhere than do media. Again, I don't think given
another year, all of a sudden there's going to be
a bunch of NFL teams ready to give seventy three
year old Bill Belichick all of that power. I want
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him in the NFL. I think he should be in
the NFL. I think it's way more interesting with him
in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Though.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
This is obviously a fascinating story for a number of reasons,
some of which you just outlined. But I think we've
seen Bill Belichick coach his last game in the NFL
because I think the NFL is done with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, Danny Parkins, Breakfast Ball, Craig Carton, Mark Schlare Mornings
FS one, Good see anybody anytime?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Colin good to see it, my friend.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yep. He's a former Chicago radio host, knows the market well,
so he is for an offensive coach with Caleb Williams.
I am for a culture changer because I think the
franchise is so broken. I still go back to what
we asked a couple of days ago. I think it's
interesting if you were Vrabel and you were offered the Giants,
the Jets, and the Bears, what would you take the
best quarterback, the best history, or in my opinion, New
(38:14):
York Jets, the best roster. I think you can replace players.
I think it's hard if you have an ascending young
quarterback to say no. I think it's really hard to
say no. And I think that's what Chicago has, and
I think everybody in the league. Bill Belichick and Vrabel
reportedly have told people Chicago's the best job.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
But as good as Caleb Williams has played this year,
he's ascending. You got too much uncertainty in the front office.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I'm not taking that.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Who's your boss?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
That matters a lot, Colin, especially these power hungry coaches.
Rabel's like a really good coach, respected throughout the league,
great against the spread, does has a history of doing
a lot with a little yeh Tannehill at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, got to a conference championship.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And it's like, and now I got to deal with
these this cold war going on in the front office.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I just I have to give that a little more thought.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, no, I listen Joe Brady again, Naddy with Joe Burrow,
Josh Allen's having an MVP year, Like, I get the attractiveness,
and maybe he works. It's it's you know, college coaches
to the NFL usually don't work, but they can Jimmy Johnson,
Pete Carroll coordinators getting ahead. Job is overwhelmingly reliant on
(39:30):
the quarterback, like I think. I think Mike McDonald in
Seattle is really good, but they have Geno Smith, so
there's an absolute ceiling. Too many mistakes, not athletic enough,
you know. So I mean again, I think coordinators can
work if you have like like Mike Sean McDermott was
a coordinator, but he got Tyrod Taylor to the playoffs,
(39:52):
so you know, I mean in the AFC, and then
he got Josh Allen. So Sean McDermott's obviously a success period.
What I've said before, he's Chuck Knox. You can look
it up. I think he's really good. I don't know
if he's great. And you have to generally go up
against the best coaches in the league to win a
Super Bowl. You're going to get you know, Read and
Belichick and the like.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
The big problem is you're a coach.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
You know your system, you know how it works, you
know what players fit your system. This is who I want,
this is who I need. This guy works for me,
and the GM might not see it that way, like
that's not a good fit. For our team and the
coach season another way, and then you've just got like
issues and it.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Never works here.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I imagine if a streaming service came after you and
they were like, hey, Colin, here's what we're going to
talk about on your show.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Excuse me, I've been doing this for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, I know what works.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I'll do my thing.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Here's the advantage of being in Buffalo. Joe Brady knows
the offense. He can cherry pick a couple of McDermott's
top defensive assistants because it is a good defensive coaching
staff in Buffalo. So there's probably a really good coach
who would love to triple his salary and be a
defensive coordinator. And also Joe Brady, I mean, with Caleb Williams,
(41:01):
a lot of people are gonna want to sign up
for that. You'll build, you'll build, you'll build a good staff.
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Meyer in one hour from now. Danny parkins later this
hour on the Bears coaching search. I'll get to that
in five minutes. But last night, and we both love basketball,
was the NBA Cup. I'm not sure you notice that
they they turned the seats blue last night to hide
the fact about half of them were empty. So it's
(01:11):
very interesting. We'll start with this. I like the NBA.
Congrats to the Milwaukee Bucks. They beat OKC last night.
Two very good teams. But Adam Silver was talking to
the media. He acknowledged that television ratings have fallen on
a cliff, but one of his lines was listen to this, Well,
we're at the point where our social media audience is
at the highest of any league. Yeah, congrats for crushing
(01:35):
Twitter and ig and TikTok. Ain't paying the bills, bra, Amazon, NBC,
ESPN are your partners for the next decade? Twitter TikTok
may not even be legal in six weeks. Who gives
a rip about social media? You know what else is
(01:56):
crushing on social media? Young people taking their clothes off. Congratulations,
it's not paying the bills either. So my takeaway is,
Oklahoma City, here's what I saw last night. Shoot thirty
two threes and make five. The game is repetitive and boring.
Roger Goodell and Rob Manfred have taken a lot of
heat for cultural changes they've made with a sport. A
(02:16):
lot of old timers and purists have pushed back rule changes,
and they've been right. Rob Manford two for two this
last year. Goodell multiple moves almost always right. Adam Silver
needs to change the game. The three point shot is
boring and repetitive. Every team plays the exact same way.
I've said before. I would move the three point arc
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into the bench, eliminate the corner, move it back afoot,
make it part of the game, not the game. Last
night you had seventy two threes. That's not good at
the YMCA, and it's not good in Pro basketball. The
most entertaining team in league history that had the highest
ratings Michael Jordan Bulls. Do you know what they because
(03:00):
they were athletic in high flying five threes a game.
This year's Bulls average forty four. You might as well
turn Michael Jordan's jumpman logo if he played today in
the MJ with a fallaway twenty seven footer boring. It
needs to be part of the game, not the game.
By the way, Major MiG Baseball defensive shift, all the
(03:23):
analytics proved you could get more guys out that way.
You were right, But nobody wants to watch Bryce Harper
and you know Shohey o Tani and Milkie Betts lining
out to a second baseman playing right field and then
heading back to the dugout. You want him on television.
And I've said this about tech before. You gotta be
(03:44):
more than just smart. With tech Google glasses, the meta
headsets for dorks. The consumers were like, yeah, it's smart.
Who wants to walk around We're in a meta headset
and be a huge dork. Packaging matters. Steve Jobs the
greatest mind ever in Silicon Valley. He always understood packaging matters.
(04:08):
It can't just be math. If the NFL, if the
Philadelphia Eagles could get five yards of toush push, they
would never have to do any other play, and the
NFL would outlaw. It's okay that they do it twice
a game. If they got to ten times, the NFL
would outlaw and should in packaging matters, how a game
(04:28):
looks my entire life. I watched the NBA. All of
our favorite players have been like MJ and Kobe and
athletic players. There's a reason the dunk contest is usually
more fun to watch than the three point shooting contest.
The NBA has the world's greatest athletes, and Edwards now
shoots ten and a half. Three's a game. Yuck. I
(04:50):
don't mind three. I want to see him drive to
the basket. It can't just be about well analytics say.
Math isn't always good for sports. The defensive shift, Yeah,
got more people out. I want Mookie Betton, Bryce Harbor
on base, not in the dugout. The three point shot now,
it's just too repetitive. It's boring. Everybody plays the same.
(05:13):
So these are all TV shows. I don't care that
you're big on TikTok. Tech can't be just smart, and
sports can't just be efficient with analytics. It's gotta be entertaining.
Aunt Edwards, you know it's funny. I was telling a
friend last night. I said this idea that everybody has
to shoot analytics. But what if you don't have good
(05:34):
three point shooters. That's like saying, you know, all kids
have to drink milk. What if you're lactose intolerant. I
had a stomach ache for thirteen years. I was told
I had to drink milk. It's not good for everybody.
Three pointers were good for the Warriors, not bad for Milwaukee.
When chet Holmgren's not playing OKAC shouldn't be shooting them.
Everybody chased the Warriors for years. One team was winning
(05:57):
titles shooting a bunch of threes. The Warriors. So Adam
Silver do a, rob Manfred do A Roger Goodell. Nobody
cares about TikTok congrants dominating that. You know what the
NFL cares about Fox, Amazon, Netflix, CBS, ESPN. That's what
they care about their broadcast partners because that's that's driving
(06:20):
the money in the league. Butts in seats and butts
on their couch watching on TV. Okay, so here, I
saw this story this morning from like a Something link
to Bleacher Report. Joe Brady is a strong candidate for
the Bear's job. No, he's not. We know Joe Brady
from two things, being the offensive coordinator of the Buffalo
(06:45):
Bills offense with Josh Allen not the biggest lift in
the world, and also being the passing game coordinator for
Joe Burrow at LSU with Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase
hah not exactly big lift ed orser on one and
Natty with that team. Love Ed, but he won a Natty. Okay,
(07:06):
the Chicago Bears can't be your first gig. Can't be.
He's never been high school code. Can't be your first gig.
And I'll give you an example. Everybody that works on
the construction of a bridge is a great tradesman. Everybody
is great at something, but about one or two people
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can lead the project. They're called architects and engineers. The
Chicago Bears are a bridge project, but not just a
bridge project. They're the Golden gate Bridge. They're the biggest
bridge project of the decade. They've never had a quarterback
throw for four thousand yards. The packers are up around
five thousand annually. Like this is the ultimate bridge project.
(07:50):
You can't say, Hey, this guy over here, Joe Brady,
he's great with asphalt. I can find those guys and
they're good tradesmen and they deserve to be paid, but
they can't lead the project. You've got oldest owners in
the league, a loud and relentless and powerful media, a
general manager who had a he's got a spotty track record.
(08:12):
Don't hate him, don't love him. And a president Kevin
Warren who reportedly is and I've been told this can
be very, very political. This is not a job for
a coordinator or a job for somebody that's never even
be a high school coach. This is the big bridge project.
You go and you go, and you get the firm.
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You don't have in the biggest murder case in a
law firm, have a junior associate on the case. You
got some old guy with salt and pepper hair and
it's his forty seventh murder case. This is a big
job with a loud media. There's talent on the roster,
but there's talent on the Jets roster. There are so
many obstacles here. And again I'm not saying Joe Brady
(08:56):
can't do it, but Mike Vrabel can do it. Mike
Rabel was coached hard in the ecosystem of Belichick. Mike
Rabel was in Tennessee and they've had plenty of dysfunction.
He had to win a division without a great quarterback
or an ascending quarterback. So the idea I keep seeing
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all these coordinators for this job. You can't hire a
guy who's good with asphalt to build the golden gate bridge.
This is a grown up job. You need the top
lawyer to handle this case. You need somebody that's been
to a conference championship, that can deal with dysfunction, that
can blow stuff up, start over and build a culture.
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That's what Harball was, That's what Dan Campbell was. You know,
Dan Campbell had been interim head coach, but he've been
an interim head coach, and he had many people in
the league, like like the Bill Parcells at Jimmy Johnson's
guys like that were on the phone saying this guy
can do it, and they were right, he can. But
(10:00):
if I hear another one of these coordinators, listen, Joe
Brady can coach. But having Joe Burrow in college with
the best receiving court collegiately in the history of the sport,
and Josh Allen, that's a pretty light lift. That's not
what Chicago is, not even close to what Chicago is,
(10:20):
all Right, Danny Parkins, we'll talk about that in about
thirty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You know, we bring a guy on this show who
I like a lot, Brian Baldinger, and he is very
good at breaking down footage. And again he's not in
the payroll for anybody he played in this league. He's
an offensive lineman. Very interesting suggestion by Baldy today looking
at film on what the Niners should do at quarterback.
(10:46):
I'm not sure if you're gonna love this story.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I haven't heard it, but I have heard other people
tell me that they should swap Rock Purty for a
certain quarterback round.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, you love.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, America's honesty broker. I'm not taking sides. I'm just
gonna present what Baldy says. And it's very interesting for
a guy, by the way, as a former cowboy, he
didn't give a rip.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Well, I mean, listen, if I'm going to buy a
house and there's two houses, what's my number one?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Location is the number one thing in real estate? But
price point is next and brock Berty won sixty mili.
Good luck in Tennessee or wherever you're playing next to.
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Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's Covino and Rich said it before. Don't confuse a
great story for a great team, a great coach, or
a great player. So Brian Balding or Baldy, he played
in the NFL for years, had played every offensive line position,
great at breaking down the game. You'll see him doing
that on the internet, so he said yesterday, when asked,
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he said, listen, if you're asking me Donald or brock Purty.
Donald's been in that system. I'd take Donald, so would I.
If the price point is Sam Darnald for three years
at forty million and Brock Purtty for four years at
fifty to fifty five million, which he wants. So they're
going for it the Brock pretty camp. So Donald's bigger,
more athletic, with a better arm. Now, both, in my opinion,
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have only flourished with a great offensive coach, and that
may be the only time they do flourish. Purty and
Donald neither has shown an ability to elevate average players,
but both they're hyper productive when they have great players
around them. So I'm going to take the better arm,
the better athlete at a better price, and it's not difficult.
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Sam Donald, by the way, still in his prime twenty
seven and and has double the starts, so he's a
more experienced guy. But here's the thing. People love the
story of Brock perty being drafted in the seventh round.
It's a cool story. But of the fourteen teams currently
in the playoff, twelve have first round quarterbacks and Jalen
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Hurts is a second rounder. Here's all the first round
quarterbacks in the NFL. You know, it's all the good ones.
Josh Allen Burrow right now, Donald Goff, Herbert Lamar Love
Patrick Mahomes, Baker, Kyler, Murray Stafford, CG. Stroud, all first
round talents. Jalen Hurts, who most people who break down
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film say isn't great from the pocket, but I do
think is a really good quarterback. He's a second rounder.
And then there's Brock who has struggled when it's wet,
who has struggled without Christian McCaffrey, and Trent Williams who
can be reckless like Donald. But I don't get the
upside physically arm mobility that I get with Sam Darnold.
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So people, I think have always confused the story with
the truth. Yeah, Rock, Perty's a great story. And if
you get a guy that starts in the seventh round,
you don't have to pay him for four years. He's
basically free. But don't make the exception the rule. The
guys hoisting trophies are first round guys. Aikman, Bradshaw, you
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know that's them and net Well, what about Brady again,
you're making the exception the rule. Tom Brady is the
greatest player in the history of the NFL, and he
was a six round pick. I acknowledge that. But in
the current NFL, where you get far Brady would not
last until the sixth round. Today, scouting is more sophisticated.
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Young players get more looks from more eyes, from twelve
years of age on. If you're I'm with Brian Boldinger,
if you're telling me, I get Sam at twenty seven.
Both of these guys have shown they can be highly
productive with a great offensive coach. Neither's ever proven they
can elevate average talent. I don't I don't even think
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it's tough. I'm going Sam Darnold J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
No, no news. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
All right.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Well, the big NFL news last night was out of Atlanta,
where the Falcons have benched Kirk Cousins. They will roll
with Michael Pennix Junior, the rookie, against the Giants at
home this weekend. Cousins Colin has been a brutal last
five games, one touchdown, nine interceptions, got old fast Pennix
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takes over. The Bucks are still just one game back
in the South. I saw a stat that Kirk Cousins
has been so bad that in the last game against
the Raiders on Monday, they had twenty three first down
place they ran the ball on twenty two of them.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
They're just like Kirks and mobile. He can't do anything.
He's limited, he struggling.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We're just gonna run the football. This is a little
you know what this is. This is a little Flaco
Lamar Jackson. They wanted Flacco to last the year. They
wanted Lamar to sit for the year. They got to
week eleven and they're like, Okay, it's not working. And
then they went with him a little earlier, probably than
they wanted. They knew he was good in practice. Well
Pennix reportedly dan Orlowski said, he's been here here and
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nothing but good things. So I'm just telling you he
was great in college. A lot of starts.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
PA saw him in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
This year, but they shut him down. Remember they shut
him down and Arthur Blank wrote a one hundred and
eighty million dollar check. You're not going to do a
rotating quarterback. When Arthur Blank's like, got you guys talked
me into signing him. You got to play him. And
I think I think he would have been replaced two
weeks ago. If he had come off the street and
the cost him twenty million, I think they would have
moved off him three weeks ago. I think they wanted
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to make sure he was on fumes and now it
may have been too late because the Bucks are hot
and may just go into the playoffs on like a
seven game winning streak. But if Tampa falters and Pennix
is good, Atlanta wins the division because they have the tiebreaker.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
So let's give Pennix a quick second before we go
back to Cousins. I'm a huge Penix guy. I loved
him coming out. Listen.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Lamar just threw five touchdowns against the Giants. There's a
Pennix at home. Hopefully they open up the offense. I
think he's got an opportunity to cook this weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, do you think?
Speaker 7 (18:01):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think he's very good. Listen. The quarterback I worried
about was always JJ McCarthy because he played under Harbaugh's
run first system. Surround him and my takeaway is, I mean,
he just doesn't throw that much. He doesn't look big.
Then I watched him the preseason and I thought, okay,
But I thought Penix, bo Nix, Jaden and Caleb. I
thought all of them. I thought it was going to
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be four out of five Penix. I never doubt it.
I just when I watched JJ McCarthy, I was like,
you know, Michigan was turning and handing it to Blake
Korum for the last two years with that old line
and d line. But I think, JJ, you cross your
fingers on the MRI or whatever the surgery had. But
I always thought Penix, if if I would have moved
up for a quarterback we knew Caleb was going on
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Jayden two. I thought Pennix, not JJ McCarthy, would be
the quarterback people moved up for.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Okay, So now to Cousins. Colin.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
He is thirty six years old. He turns thirty seven
next August, right, right he is? I think a guaranteed
twenty seven mil was what I saw from the Falcons
next year. Is this a Russell Wilson scenario where they say,
you know what, We're not keeping you as the backup.
We're gonna go ahead and cut you. We owe you
the money. You can go wherever you want.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Kurt. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And then someone San Francisco, which has always had a
Shanahan's always had a love affair with Cousins. Can San
Francisco say, hey, give us the Russell Wilson deal, come
play for us.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
For a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, you'll be our starter in San fran Yeah, and
we move.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The difference is Russell at the end in Denver with
Peyton did not look washed. In fact, his numbers are
very similar now to Bo Nixon. I mean, what we're
seeing now is a major big pitcher and his fastball
is eighty six.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
True.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
We know Shanahan has arguably the best offensive mind in.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
The league's the top three.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, I would trust Shanahan to fix whatever ales Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Listen, in this league right now, old unathletic quarterbacks are
not hoisting trophies. Can you know who is young athletic quarterbacks?
So to me, that San Francisco forty nine ers standard
is get a trophy, not go to the Super Bowl.
They've been there twice. Get a ring. So Kirk Cousins
is not winning the NFC. He not extending any plays.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Okay, so where where does he land? Don't tell me
he's out of the league. That's there's no.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Way I'll throw one at you for a year. Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Tennessee makes sense, but it's outdoors.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I'm just saying, well, so San Francisco, it's not like
that's warm weather.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
The division is Arizona indoors, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like Kirk Cousins is is. I think Russell Wilson's ability
to move the pocket his ability. I still think. I
still think Russell's got about eighty percent of his juice.
I think Kirk's got about forty percent. Now, oh, I mean,
I'm you're watching the same games I am. Those out
patterns now float interesting.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
I guess I just trust shan Ina hand to fix him.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But we'll see.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
He's gonna play in the league next year somewhere. Next
up Colin is the Eagles twelve and two. Though it's
been drama filled, it feels like every week. Hall of
Famer Brian Dawkins believes he's seen some growth from the team,
saying there's a whole lot of maturing going on in Philadelphia,
adding friction is not a bad thing. Friction helps remove
the impurities off the surface.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Okay, I will say this, They are good television period.
I don't even I've said this about the Phillies and
I'll say it about the Eagles. There's something about home
games in Philly that jump off the TV. And I
find this team and the security guard and Nick Serianni
and the drama. I think you know Jim Nance said
this week and he thought Buffalo was America's team, And
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it feels like to me a lot of people are
rooting for the Bills this year. But I would say,
if you're talking about an entertainment product, Buffalo's right up
there and Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Detroit still up there they are.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But Goff is an electric I'm watching him this past week.
Jalen hurts he was spectacular.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
He was, he was good good.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I guess we have different standards.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
I don't know. I want to see if A. J.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Brown's playing, Honestly, that's all that matters to me in
this game. If AJ Brown's in, he goes with. If
he's out, I'll take.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
The Commander's money line.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
All right. You don't think A. J.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Brown's the man there in Philly.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think he's one of the men, and I think
he's a valuable man. Saquan dinged up, let's slow down, man,
all right? Okay, dinged up? I got I got run.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
All binged up.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
By the way, how about Sirianni raving about Kenneth Gainwell
after I don't know, if you.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
See it's pretty good. He's not a thirty carry guy,
but he just seemed a little odd that he was.
I mean, he's a gadget speed guy. He's not You're
not gonna give him twenty carries, but he's a nice
little backup running.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
But certainly certainly final story is the Rams started out
the year one in four. Just like last year, they
turned it on when it mattered most. They won seven
of nine, first place to the NFC West. They're in
the driver's seat given the Seattle Gino Smith situation.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
But McVeigh knows.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It doesn't matter that you're in the driver's seat unless
you're finished strong.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
And j anything that we've talked about for the last
see in four weeks, you know, unless this season today,
it's all just temporary, and you know, we've got to
continue to be one day at a time, one moment
at a time, in one game at a time like
what we've been. I think it's a testament to the
group to be able to handle some of the things
that they've handled over the last few weeks. But all
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of it is not relevant unless we continue to do
something about it. And the only thing that we can
do is have a great week of preparation against a
very challenging opponent who we have tremendous respect for.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I will say I think they have. I think they
are one draft away. They need to get an elite corner,
another an elite left tackle, and this draft has a
bunch of both, and another sideline receiver. I think. I
think they're really, really good. But I think this year,
by the end of the year, Buffalo has had moments
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where they look great, and I think Philadelphia has had
moments where they look great. Detroit looked great early, they're
not great now. Too many injuries. So you know, we
say great doesn't win. Very Few Super Bowl champs or
college football national championships are great. Most are very very good.
When I watched Philadelphia this past weekend, or I watched
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Buffalo's offense, I see great and I think I think
the Rams are very good. But there are about four
players from great that's it. Left tackle, corner, perimeter receiver,
and I would say another really athletic linebacker.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
A tricky game this week in New York outdoors.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I know it is. I stay, it's a three and
a half point line. What do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And Jets are dumb enough to win this game? And
their draft seeding, and it wouldn't wouldn't shock me. You know,
the defense has been just shredded the last month.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I mean, Aaron's watching that Enigma Netflix doc. He's trying
to feeling himself. I'm twelve minutes in and I just
didn't I'd seen the whole story. Well, i'd seen the
whole story before. He's not secretive or private like Michael
Jordan was. So in Michael Jordan's doc, there's a lot
I didn't know because Michael's very he's very private. Aaron.
I've seen his feet, I know the whole story. I
read the Ian O'Connor book, so there's not a lot
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I didn't know. He gets really high in the second episode.
I've been told, but I don't know if.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
That's really high, like altitude or just like well, pharmaceuticals, mushrooms.
So do you remember we had gone to the Super Bowl,
but we went to Vegas last year and we heard
the story that, oh there's cameras following around Aaron Rodgers,
and we talked about around Aaron.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
That's what this is.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I like documentaries. I tried. I just I know
too much about him, so I'm not that interested in
his journey because I've already read everything and he's not
a private person. He's on he talks about it all
the time, and so it's.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Like, if he does ayahuasca, let me know, I will.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's the episode two. Oh god, yeah, it's the hippie episode.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They just thrilling, all right. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, it's oh, you know, I I let me say this. So,
Dion Sanders has been a bit of a revelation, and
what he's really been is he's been a present for
all of us. Deon Sanders is fun. And he's saying
that he thinks Bill Belichick his quote here is his
track record stands alone. Bill Belichick's gonna find college football
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success much more easily in college than the pros. So
here's the thing. I feel like college football to Belichick.
If he's an artist, you're taking his brush. College football
is constantly taking your brush. If you're a scheme guy,
Bill's the best defensive coach in the sports history, college
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or pro. His IQ, his relentless work culture college football
gives you twenty hours a week to coach. I mean,
never forget ed oh one to Natty. He's a great recruiter.
I'm watching Lincoln Riley, very good with schemes, struggle Chip Kelly,
so I don't want to be a head coach anymore.
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He's a great x as and O's guy. He hates recruiting.
Ed Orgeron has a Natty. Ed's a recruiter. College football
is charisma, it's patience, it's personality, and that's not Belichick.
I mean his default personality is inconvenience and annoyed. That's
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like his default. His resting chin of a personality is
I've been inconvenienced. College football is just layers and layers
of needy donors. That's silly, collective, high maintenance administrators having
to play by somebody else's rules. In the NFL, you
have one owner, and by the way, Bob Kraft say
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what you want, mostly stayed out of the way for years.
He once told him, we're not trading Tom Brady. You
gotta move Garoppolo. Not exactly a huge sacrifice. Every day
in college football is a time sacrifice, and you're only
allowed to coach twenty hours. So if you look at
the great college coaches. I mean Nick Saban. You could say, oh,
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he's an Ex's and O's guy. Nick's got charisma. You
watch on television, He's funny. Nick is really charismatic. Bill
is on TV. He doesn't qualify as charismatic. He's he's smart.
I have never doubted that. But people think college football
in the NFL, you know, it's the same sport. No
it's not. No, no, no, it's not. In the NFL.
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You are allowed to really if you if you're dedicated enough,
you stay overnight in the facility. That's that's not college.
There are limitations on how smart a smart guy can be.
So I've never bought this. I don't think it's a
good fit, and I think college football has gotten needier
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and more difficult here. But Dion thinks he's gonna be
I mean, it's gonna be easier than it was for
Bill and the pros.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
No one in the NFL has accomplished what he's accomplished
and making that translate to college football.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I feel like.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
It's an easier road for him to come to college
football and have SSS than it is to rekindle that.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Fire that he had in New England.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
I love the move. I love what he does to
college football. I loved the excitement it generates. I love
coach Belichick.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Man No, I like that too. For the record, I
don't think Dion would be as successful in the pros,
even though he was the greatest cornerback of all time.
I think Dion's personality his charisma. In college, where players
select you, He's got swag, he's got attitude. Dion's still cool.
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Puts the cowboy hat on in the shades. Bill's known
for cutting off the sleeves on a hoodie. Remember, in
the pros, you select the players. In college, they select you,
so charisma matters. I've been in a room, I've gone
out and had beers with ed Oh. You just can't
help love the guy. You're sitting in there, and you're like, man,
if I was a high school football star, I'd want
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to play for ed Oh. And college football limits the
number of practice hours. If you're a great recruiter, hire
a good coordinator, you go in to Natty. That's not
the way it works in the NFL. The smartest coaches
in the world are in the NFL, and you can
coach for hours. Danny Parkins. We're going to talk bears
next Chicago.
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Speaker 1 (30:20):
The Breakfast Ball News show. Pipeline to the Pros is
his book. He's our friend, Danny Parkins. He is joining
us live, former Chicago radio host and knows the city
very very well. So I've been talking about this now
for the last couple of weeks. It was my second
story today I heard Joe Brady's name came up, and
the analogy I used Danny was listen, everybody that works
on a bridge to build a bridge as a tradesman.
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But if you're gonna be the leader of the project,
you have to be an engineer and architect. This needs
an engineer an architect, not just a tradesman. I don't
want any coordinators getting the bear's job. This is a big,
big project. Is Vrabel the name you would? I mean,
where are you on him? Because he's the biggest name
out there.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We are not aligned on this one. Colin and I
love the analogy as always, it's excellent work. But I'll
take the tradesman. I want the offensive guy Mike Rabel
should coach Cincinnati, where they have Joe Burrow and the
offense is established. He should coach Dallas where they have
Dak Prescott and the offense is established. Go coach Ohio
State if you want. I feel like Mike Rabel. We've
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overrated him because time away has helped him age pretty well.
People were like, oh my god, he won twelve games.
That team had Derrick Henry, that team had AJ Brown.
Arthur Smith was the offensive coordinator. We've seen that he
can raise the floor of a quarterback. He's doing it
with Russell Wilson and he did it with Ryan Tannehill.
That last year, there were power struggles in Tennessee. He
went six and eighteen in his last twenty four games.
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He wanted all the power. He couldn't replace Arthur Smith
at offensive coordinator. They had a seven game losing streak
to finish a season. So Caleb Williams is at an
inflection point. He's at a FOURK of the road moment
in his career. I want to try to find the
coach that can win and develop and maximize any quarterback.
Go find your Kevin O'Connell, Go find your Matt Lafleur,
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you're Sean McVay.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
You'r Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
If you can't get those guys in the trade, go
try to find the next one, because the Bears need
offensive help.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, leadership is a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I'm not going to dispute it, but I think this
leader of men's stuff is grossly overrated. All football coaches
are supposed to be leaders of men.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
So we got into this yesterday. We talked about brock Purdy.
The story is better than the truth. If you go
look at the fourteen playoff teams, twelve have first round
quarterbacks and Jalen Hurst. Jalen Hurts was in the second round,
Lamar and Josh and Mahomes and Goff, Matt Stafford. Brock
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Purdy reportedly wants fifty five large. I've said I'll take
Sam Darnold for forty. I'm not even not blinking an eye.
Do you believe that the story of brock perty has
now surp as the reality much like maybe vravel to me.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yes, I do, and I've been there for a while
on it. But the problem is, and you're a market guy,
the market has spoken here like brock party should not
give San Francisco any sort of hometown discount. He's accomplished
more than Jordan love has when he got his pay day,
than tu a Head when he got his pay day.
So I expect brock Perty to ask for a market
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rate deal. He won't break Dak Prescott's number necessarily, He's
not gonna have the highest contract ever, but he will
be in that fifty five million plus range. And if
I was the GM, I wouldn't give.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It to him.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But I do think that San Francisco will because it's
a have and a have not league, and they tried
it with Trey Lance. They got three first round picks
and it failed miserably for them. So I expect brock
Perty to get paid, and I think it's gonna be
a mistake.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Well then what would you do if you're Minnesota? Daniel
Jones isn't the future JJ McCarthy is. Would you let
Donald go? I would struggle letting him out of the building.
I'd franchise Tag, which is a lot of money. But
what do you do with Donald see?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I think this is a situation where Kevin O'Connell is
the miracle worker. Kevin O'Connell has final say here Hey,
do you think that you can do with Sam with
JJ McCarthy what you did with Sam Donald. If he
says yes, then you let someone else pay Sam Donald.
And you've got JJ McCarthy, who you liked, who you
traded up for, who you use the first round pick on,
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who they must have loved in the evaluation process, and
you trust that Kevin O'Connell can do it again.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
If he has any doubts.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
About JJ McCarthy from being around him for a year,
then of course you do what you said and you
keep Sam Donald in the building.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, so I wouldn't play Mahomes this weekend. I think
they're good enough with Carson Wentz to beat Houston. I
don't think they. I just wouldn't even risk it. What's
the point. But there are reports he will play. What
would be your tact going forward with Mahome football players play?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I've been shocked by this, the number nos and someone
like you or me saying don't play. That makes sense
because we are soft by nature. We wear makeup and
we're like, oh my god, he's spraying to vekle and
then three hundred Pouders are going to try to tackle
him and will Anderson and Daniel Hunter against those tackles,
it's a terrible matchup. What TJ. Watt four days later
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is a great matchup? Or the Broncos pass rush a
week after that, We have no idea. They said it
was a mild ankle sprain. They said if it was
a playoff game, he could have gone back in. They
absolutely still have something to play for. I mean home
field advantage the Arrowhead Invitational. Buffalo needed to go to
Kansas City. That would seem to matter a great deal here.
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Buffalo wins out, Kansas City needs to win at least
two of their last three to retain home field advantage.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
So I think he will play.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I think he should play.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
These guys work three hundred and sixty five days a
year for seventeen Sundays.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
They play hurt all the time.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I don't think you get a ton of benefit by
resting him for four extra days against Pittsburgh. And if
someone said it, it.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Would be a doctor, not a talk show host. Finally,
I want your stamp on this. I think Belichick is
going to go one year and then go back to
the NFL. I think college is just a bunch of
nonsense and portal and also you only get a coach
twenty hours a week. Eric the Enemy told us yesterday
on the show, So it limits your ability to grind.
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It's go shake hands. And Bill's not going to be
on the recruiting trail trying to find a corner. I
think it's one year college wears him out. Mike Lombardi's
got no interest being an athletic department. It's too much
of a pro model. What say you.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I don't believe that he wants this job. I think
that this was I want to coach in the NFL.
Only one team showed interest last year. It was Atlanta.
I lost out on that to Raheem Morris. Is anyone
as any NFL team going to give him the power
and the control that he craves. I think he has
a great agent. He knows everybody. He was talking to
(37:08):
people through back channels. That was what seth Wickersham's reporting suggested.
And he didn't think that job was going to be
there for him this time, and so instead of doing media,
he would rather coach at North Carolina because he'd rather
coach somewhere than do media. Again, I don't think given
another year, all of a sudden there's going to be
a bunch of NFL teams ready to give seventy three
year old Bill Belichick all of that power. I want
(37:30):
him in the NFL. I think he should be in
the NFL. I think it's way more interesting with him
in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Though.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
This is obviously a fascinating story for a number of reasons,
some of which you just outlined. But I think we've
seen Bill Belichick coach his last game in the NFL
because I think the NFL is done with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, Danny Parkins, Breakfast Ball, Craig Carton, Mark Schlare Mornings
FS one, Good see anybody anytime?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Colin good to see it, my friend.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yep. He's a former Chicago radio host, knows the market well,
so he is for an offensive coach with Caleb Williams.
I am for a culture changer because I think the
franchise is so broken. I still go back to what
we asked a couple of days ago. I think it's
interesting if you were Vrabel and you were offered the Giants,
the Jets, and the Bears, what would you take the
best quarterback, the best history, or in my opinion, New
(38:14):
York Jets, the best roster. I think you can replace players.
I think it's hard if you have an ascending young
quarterback to say no. I think it's really hard to
say no. And I think that's what Chicago has, and
I think everybody in the league. Bill Belichick and Vrabel
reportedly have told people Chicago's the best job.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
But as good as Caleb Williams has played this year,
he's ascending. You got too much uncertainty in the front office.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I'm not taking that.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Who's your boss?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
That matters a lot, Colin, especially these power hungry coaches.
Rabel's like a really good coach, respected throughout the league,
great against the spread, does has a history of doing
a lot with a little yeh Tannehill at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, got to a conference championship.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And it's like, and now I got to deal with
these this cold war going on in the front office.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I just I have to give that a little more thought.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, no, I listen Joe Brady again, Naddy with Joe Burrow,
Josh Allen's having an MVP year, Like, I get the attractiveness,
and maybe he works. It's it's you know, college coaches
to the NFL usually don't work, but they can Jimmy Johnson,
Pete Carroll coordinators getting ahead. Job is overwhelmingly reliant on
(39:30):
the quarterback, like I think. I think Mike McDonald in
Seattle is really good, but they have Geno Smith, so
there's an absolute ceiling. Too many mistakes, not athletic enough,
you know. So I mean again, I think coordinators can
work if you have like like Mike Sean McDermott was
a coordinator, but he got Tyrod Taylor to the playoffs,
(39:52):
so you know, I mean in the AFC, and then
he got Josh Allen. So Sean McDermott's obviously a success period.
What I've said before, he's Chuck Knox. You can look
it up. I think he's really good. I don't know
if he's great. And you have to generally go up
against the best coaches in the league to win a
Super Bowl. You're going to get you know, Read and
Belichick and the like.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
The big problem is you're a coach.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
You know your system, you know how it works, you
know what players fit your system. This is who I want,
this is who I need. This guy works for me,
and the GM might not see it that way, like
that's not a good fit. For our team and the
coach season another way, and then you've just got like
issues and it.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Never works here.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I imagine if a streaming service came after you and
they were like, hey, Colin, here's what we're going to
talk about on your show.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Excuse me, I've been doing this for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, I know what works.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I'll do my thing.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Here's the advantage of being in Buffalo. Joe Brady knows
the offense. He can cherry pick a couple of McDermott's
top defensive assistants because it is a good defensive coaching
staff in Buffalo. So there's probably a really good coach
who would love to triple his salary and be a
defensive coordinator. And also Joe Brady, I mean, with Caleb Williams,
(41:01):
a lot of people are gonna want to sign up
for that. You'll build, you'll build, you'll build a good staff.
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