December 18, 2024 • 26 mins
Richard Sherman interviews Seattle Seahawks star defensive lineman Leonard Williams. They discuss Seattle's recent loss to Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers, a game that Seahawks QB Geno Smith left with an injury, as well as their upcoming matchup with Sam Darnold and the 12-2 Minnesota Vikings. Leonard tells Sherm about his journey from getting drafted by the New York Jets, to then being traded across town to the New York Giants, and then finally landing in Seattle where he's playing like an NFL All-Pro. Sherm asks about the changes Mike Macdonald made coming out of the bye week that helped turn Seattle's season around, the impact of Ernest Jones and Tyrice Knight have had on the Seahawks defense, and how long Leonard plans to play in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. You know, for these adult football championship that
should always do the expectation. All right, man, as you
go ahead, Welcome back to Richard Sherman Podcast. I got
an incredible guest here, the Big Cat, Leonard Williams. How
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you feeling, brother, You've been playing great football.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm feeling great great.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I appreciate that defense has been rolling lately since the
bye week. Team has been on a good high. We
obviously came up of a loss that we're not happy about,
but you know, I feel like the team in general
still got everything ahead of us.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
No question, you got everything ahead of you.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I mean, because that was a weird game, and it
seemed like y'all found y'all found the answers in the
second half. I don't know what the second half adjustments were,
but it was right, you know, whatever it was, it
seemed like y'all had answers for everything, and you personally,
every god damn third and fourth down when they trying
to run the football, you fighting a way to get through.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
One time, it looked like they just parted for you.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah. Block him, Yeah. I mean, obviously I'm gonna take
that lay up. But I also think Mike just called
a great call and we had like a little outside
stunt and I think the offensive linement just wasn't expecting
me to stunt out and they kind of like misread
their blocks or something like that, and it just timed
up perfectly.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I got in the backfield. I didn't want to shoot
my shot right away, so it was funny. I got
the backfield and kind of like square it up. But
it was it was a great call.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, to talk about that because obviously, you know you've
come here and you got traded and all that, and
then you get a new coaching staff and it's much different.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I think, Well, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It's it seems like a much different scheme than you've
played in UH in the past, and they used you
a lot of different ways, you know, inside kind of
on the age ish UH. Talk about that and how
much it really gets to showcase your versatility.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, my opinion, defensive coordinators that have like utilized me
the best. I have always played me like all along
the D line because I can play like pretty much
a shade like all the way to a nine technique
if I have to, And to me, I like doing
that because I'm able to move all up and down
the line, not always sticking in one spot, getting double
teams and things like that. And actually I did play
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in a similar defense with Week Martin. He was also
from the Ravens, so it was slightly similar. I think
the biggest difference is here we have a combination of
that Raven style defense like with also AD's style of
like past rush, which for me is a great combination
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because I think that older like Raven style defense, they
have a lot of like safety blitzes and pressures and
things like that where sometimes a lot of the big
guys our job is to just like eat blockers and
like have these like smaller guys free off the edge,
and like I feel like this combination of defense allows
like the big guys to eat too.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I want to hear about Ernest Jones and Tyree Knight
because again we talked about the bye we and how
dominant y'all have been since the bye week. I mean,
those have been the biggest changes. You know, no, no,
nothing bad. You don't have to say anything about your
reel and Jerome, you know what I mean. Obviously, the
coaching staff made decisions they felt like they needed to make,
but those guys have come in and just played like
their hairs on fire. Ernest didn't even know the scheme.
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Came in first week and was moving and shaken. Yeah,
I mean to your point. I mean, those guys came
in and made a big difference. You know, our defensive
run game has like changed a lot since the Bie week,
since having EJ and T Night back there. I love
T Dott and those guys, but you know, I feel
like you know, like you said, I don't control the moves,
but at the end of the day, I love having
EJ and T Night back there two nights. Like a
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young guy who's really just hungry and striving to be
the best he can every week. You know, we started
competing with each other since that Cardinals game, and like
every week he comes up to me now and he's
just like a.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Leo, like we're gonna compete again, Like we're gonna compete again.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's like I could just see that hunger and like
a young passionate player's eyes that I'm just like, man,
I was there before, you know what I mean. So
I just I love it, and like EJ. I mean,
it's crazy that he just turned twenty five. He seems
like such a savvy vet already. There's times he's out
there just telling us where the run play is going
and bumping the front and things like that. So in
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my opinion, he's one of the best linebackers that I
played with, to be honest, and I've only played with
him in a short amount of time, so hopefully we
can keep playing together.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Last year, you were the first player to play eighteen
games since like nineteen thirty something crazy like that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You got no bye week. Did you feel it?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I would say I felt it for sure, especially
you know, playing eighteen games and year nine.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know what I mean, right right?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I want no part, but but I finally got a
bye week this year, and I also felt that it
reminded me of how just how useful having a bye
week is in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Much needed.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So you go from that to like this year, new staff.
But you're a leader, you're a captain, you know what
I mean. This crazy talented front that you guys have,
Derek Hall, the rookie Biron Murphy, there's so many there's
so much talent and really depth on this d line.
Can you talk about how much fun you guys have
you know, because sometimes, you know, when there's egos involved,
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people don't want to rotate out. People don't want this,
people don't want that. But it doesn't seem like y'all
have that. Jaron Reid's in there, you know what I mean,
there's a lot of really talented guys interior in on
the outside. Draymond Jones and Boya talk about how it
is to manage those guys in that room.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean, I think this is one of the most
stacked the lines I've played on in my career, and
I played it with some really good guys throughout my career.
When I got drafted, I've played with you know, Sheldon
Richardson Snacks, Damon Harrison, and Big Mo Wilkerson. You know,
we pretty much had like three first rounders in the room,
and even this feels like we have way more depth
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and rotation here. And and like you said, sometimes it's
hard when it's hard to not have egos when you've
always been a guy your whole life, you know what
I mean. Unlet's every guy in our room has been
the best at their high school, the best at their college,
and even some of the best in the in the
NFL sometimes, and uh, it's it's hard sometimes when you
have a room.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Full of just alpha alpha guys.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But I think just from learning each other and you know,
having that type of family environment that we have in
the D line room has allowed us to just like
understand our role and and just and just live up
to our role the best we can. And you know,
we try to take ego out of it as much
as possible.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
All Right, Let's let's pivot a little bit because I
just this is personal questions, well personal for me because
I'm a PAC twelve guy, and I just want to
ask what you think about all this chaos in college
football and just they ruined it many ruin.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean that's the that's the hard thing about the
you know how I'm seeing, like I agree that I
think that ruined it, just because when I was in college,
it was like all about like you know, we were
broke college kids.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It kind of what brought us together.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Once I got to the NFL, it was like so
different because it's like now people are playing for money.
Everybody kind of has a different agenda and things like that.
So you don't you don't see that connectiveness as much
once I transition from college to the NFL, which is
like now you're starting to see that before kids even
leave high school almost because it's like kids are already
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in high school thinking about nil deals and things like that.
So it's just like it's become so much more of
a business and this money oriented and things like that.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So you know, I'm fine with the money, you know
what I mean. If you run it like the pros,
you know what I mean, run it like the pros.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But it's like these kids are sitting there like they transfer.
I didn't get enough money, so I'm transferred, or I
didn't get enough money so I ain't playing this game.
I'm not practicing this game.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Like bro. And you can't really punish him as a coach.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's why I don't think Belichick is going to do
well because in the league, you don't practice, you're getting
your behind fine, these kids coming to practice and like
I'm not practicing, cut me and I'll try to, like
you know what I mean. Like that's the part that's
a problem. That's a problem for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I felt like I mean, and the worst part is
eventually all the players are just eventually going to bleed
out from the old old ways, and you know, all
these people from the NIL are eventually going to be
the NFL players, and it's just tough to see.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Like sometimes, but.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
The kid from SC specifically the Bear Alexander kid, Oh yeah,
they said he's transferred seven schools in seven years. They
said four times in high school and this will be
his third transfer in college. Like a kid like that.
If I'm an NFL team, I don't know how I'm
drafting that kid. I don't know how I'm drafting that kid.
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You can't state, can't stay still, not loyal, no loyalty
and no no ability to overcome and and just like
ten toes down and dig in and like let's go.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I Mean one of the main phrases that freaking Mike
McDonald says all the time is through, not around. And
it's just like that's one of those situations where you know, kids,
instead of facing the hardships and facing the difficulties and
being with the team and going through it together, like
sometimes nowadays, can just be like you know, f it,
I'm gonna just transfer. And you know, to us that's
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going around, You're not going through the problem exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And I don't know how you fix that, you know
what I mean. The NCAA could have done it when
they first start asking, hey, time to pay the kids.
They should have They should have just put a salary
cap in and then upped it uped it up it up,
and you would have had a better argument.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But yeah, that's not two cents. Sorry, we digrest.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
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So I want to talk about your time in New
York and you coming back and having a game you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Had that had to feel like, boy, it can't get
no better than that. Yeah, I mean that was a
crazy full circle moment.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You know, me and Gino and and all my interviews
leading up to that game, I kept trying to say,
you know, I'm treating like a regular game. You know,
I got drafted there so long ago, I'm not really
attached anymore, and things like that, which was all true
for me leading up to the game. But I got
a say after the game, it definitely felt like, Okay,
that was pretty poetic, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So you know, it felt good going back playing the.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
MetLife Stadium on a you know, opposing team this time,
and you know, having a day like that, it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, a ninety two yard pick six, the longest
by three hundred pounds play plus player. I mean, what
about Jay Reed talking about he didn't know you was
that heavy? I said, jay Reed, what do you think
he's human being is ninety, Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, I guess because like my frame looks a little
leaner than than most guys, you know, three hundred plus pounds.
I think sometimes when people think of a three hundred
pounder on the d line, they're probably thinking of, like,
you know, a big rounder guy. But I'm like tall
and lean, more athletic built. So sometimes guys think I'm
like around like two eighty two ninety. Sometimes I don't
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got three twelve. Man.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I mean, you've been around football enough, you know what
I mean, which Jay R should.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So that's what I'm saying. You're d live and it's
all you ran. You know the difference.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
But talk to me about your draft day experience because clearly,
you know we had two totally different draft day experiences.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know, you were going top five and I was
trying to get drafted. I mean, hey, you had a
great career, Marion, regardless of where you got drafted. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, I mean my draft day was in Chicago, which
was pretty cool. I think it was like one of
the first times they started switching up where the draft was.
I think it was always in New York before that
I ended up falling out of the top five, which
is where I was projected, and I went sixth overall,
So obviously, you know, really happy exciting day for me.
Had all my family with me in Chicago, and I
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just was not expecting the Jets to draft me though.
I remember, because when I seen them up at six,
I'm like, oh, they already have like Moe Wilkerson and
Snacks and Sheldon and all the guys on the D line,
Like they don't need another D line man. But I
remember when they called me and took me, they would
just say, hey, like we see it as you know,
best available, not necessarily what the team needs. And they
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thought I was best available on the board and drafted
me to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's such a different city, you know. I can imagine
getting drafted to New York.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's such a big city, so much to do, so
much expectations, so much media scrutiny and attention.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I know that had to be a hard transition.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, that is hard. I mean, especially right out of college.
You know, I was a young player. I was only
twenty years old. I remember even taking the D line
to Ricky dinner, and you know when I got the
bill and I tried to pay for it. The lady
was like, wait, you can't pay for the bill because
y'all had drinks and you're you're under twenty one.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So I got off the hook a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But you know, they they for sure found another way
to get it out of me.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Don't worry.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know how I was back then. Man, back then,
that's crazy. That was ten years ago for me. So
I could say that that's good. Time flies, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
That's crazy. And then you come to Seattle. Seattle is
a whole different city than in New York.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
You're not really in Seattle when you play for Seaws,
you really own the East Side.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, I mean, it was really tough playing in New York,
I'll say. I mean, especially, like I said, as a
young player, even getting drafted so high comes with the
things as well. Like being drafted so high, I'm thinking,
I'm putting pressure on myself. Even there's already expectations out there,
and you know, I'm putting expectations on myself as well.
So I felt like when I was younger, I was
kind of, you know, forcing myself to try to make
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these TFLs and sacks, and I live up to my
draft status, which I think made me play out of
character and didn't allow me to play like freely, to
be honest, And that's something I try to tell the
young guys now now that I'm in year ten. I'm like, hey, Like,
the reason why I'm able to play good now is
because you know, I go out there and played fearless.
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I know what I'm doing, and I play free and
I'm not trying to like chase these players. I'm just
trying to, you know, play good technique and play within
the framework of the defense and things like that. So
I think, like playing in the city of New York
definitely had a lot of pressure, a lot of scrutiny,
media and things like that, and you know, playing in
Seattle and now is completely different. I talked about. I
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remember my first game here when I got traded. We
played against the Ravens and it was an away game
and we got blew out. It was you know, it
was an ugly loss. And I remember we got home
at like four am, pulled up to the facility and
there's fans everywhere still like after a loss, and I'm
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like that I'm not used to that because in New
York it's like we're losing at halftime when fans are
leaving and booing our own team. You know, here they're
still rooting for you even after a loss at five
am outside of the building.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm like, this is different. It's totally different. I mean, passionate,
and I don't think people understand. So you experience it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
But that's a really cool experience and a cool story
because we used to have that all the time, especially
in the playoffs. We go to a game, you know,
play a playoff game, come back and you know, as
the little road when you're coming out of the airport
used to be lined with Seahawks fans. So when we
got on runs, it used to just be like freaking
like a mile worth of fans at whatever time we
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got back. You know, it didn't matter what time we
got back. It'd be three, four o'clock, two o'clock in
the morning, it's gonna be fans lined up, and you
know it really, it really was a cool thing to
see and motivating factor, and and you know, you had
an appreciation for what those people were going through and
people showing up for you, and you tried to put
it on tape for him. But you putting it on
tape this year in a different way than I. You know, honestly,
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I think you have you know, it's you probably canna
get your first All Pro this year, I would imagine,
unless they voting it different than they have been. But
you playing like an All Pro? How much would it
mean to you to be named to one of those
All Pro teams?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I mean, it would mean the world to me, honestly.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
You know, I've been in the sleep for ten years,
and you know that's something that you know, every player
strives to be, you know, the best at what they do.
And you know, I'm sitting in that defensive meeting room
every day and I'm seeing you and Earl Thomas up
there on the on the All Pro board and things
like that, and I'm just like, man, how how beautiful
would it be to add another be Hawk up there
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on that board? And uh, you know, I want to
be remembered here and I want to you know, put
a stamp on my legacy and just my career. And
and just like you said, like playing for those fans,
like you know, gives give the twelves.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's more more things to root for and it'll mean
a lot to me. That'd be really cool, man, And
I hope you get it. You deserve it. You've been
playing your butt off. Y'all got Minnesota this week. It's
it's you know, they're a tough team at eleven and two,
but y'all are a tough team and y'all tough outfit,
and I think it's gonna match up really well.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
What do you feel like y'all got to do over.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
These next three to to to get in because it's
gonna take all three of them really to get you
all in the playoffs. And I know, you know, you
take it one game at a time, but just talking
the team more than the matchups and anything. What do
you think you guys have to do as a team
to just you know, keep steady the course and you know,
obviously you want four in a row before losing this one.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What do you have to do going forward? I think
just really lock in, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I feel like we did a good job of that
after the bye week, because we started off the season
high and then we kind of lost a few games
and then we were kind of at like that five
hundred team place. After the bye week, and after the
bye week, you know, the leaders and the coaches and
everybody said, hey, we got to treat it like playoffs now.
So that kind of got us in the mindset of
like treating like week by week. We just were locked
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in and I don't want to say we got comfortable
or anything like that, but you know, after four game
win streak sometimes it does get a little you know,
you've been there before where you know, guys start to
get a little comfortable, you start not doing the little things.
Is as fine tuned as you were when you were
losing and knew what was on the line and things
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like that. So I think this loss, you know, definitely
put a bad taste in my mouth. And we're about
to be home again this week, and I think coming
off of that loss is definitely gonna make us, you know,
locked back in and you know, talal in on the
details again.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So how long do you want to play? Man? I
think I want to play as.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Long as I'm able to keep being a factor in
this league, and then I'm gonna try to keep playing.
To be honest, I think when I was young, I said, hey,
when I get to year ten, I'm gonna retire.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You know, I was young.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I thought, you know, ten years was a great career,
Like you know, I didn't know how fast it was
just gonna go like that, you know what I mean.
It went by so fast, and I feel like now
I'm still playing, you know, some of my best ball,
to be honest, So I feel like I still got
a few good years under my belt.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think so too. I think so too. I think
that's gonna be cool.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And you say so much when I when I was
first getting into the league, I was like, man, I
just want to get past the three years three games.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I feel like if I go for I'm pretty I
feelt pretty good about myself.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I went past the average, and then I got to
year like nine. It's like in the Super Bowls, like
I think I could do a couple of more. I
think I think I got a couple more in me.
I think I got this game pretty well figured out.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You get to that point, yeah, yeah, And it's so
hard because you take your point so when you're older
where you almost just take it a year by year.
At this point, you know what I mean, It's just
like as long as a year feel feeling good to
got it.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You're just all right. Maybe I got a year or
two more left than me, you know what I mean. Yeah,
you take it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Year by year, and you're so like you you have
such less wasted movement now, you know what I mean,
Like you're not wasting I'm not wasting time, I'm not
wasting steps. I'm not like doing unnecessary stuff. You know,
I know how to take care of my body. I
got my routine together, I got my off season routine together.
Like I know what's going on. And sometimes it's hard
to explain it to a young guy until they experience it.
You're like, hey, you might not want to do that.
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You might not want to do that, but sometimes you
got to go out there and bump your head to
be like, oh okay, maybe look I told you. I
told you you might not want to do that, like
I was from experience.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I mean I remember when I was younger, I was
going out all the time, like you said, I was
in big New York City. I had that, you know,
I wasn't taking care of my body as well and
things like that, and and you know, like you said,
it's like being older now, it's like you understand the
game a little bit more. You're not out there just
like wasting energy. And I also, I've been talking about
joking lately that I just have like grown man strength
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too now. So it's like once I reached a certain
once I reached a certain age, it's like now I'm like, okay,
if I'm getting one on one block, I know I'm
locked this guy out.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You know what I mean? That obviously plays a difference,
no question, no question.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You I don't know if you got kids yet, but
when you as soon as you have kids, that that
comes that day.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Now you got something to play for it. That's what
it is.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I started strong arm long arm, and people at the
course class said, look at this, where.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Did this come from? What you know about the long arm?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I know something? You blister times every down here off
the edge the arm over. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
They never let me pled stop. You got any questions
for me before I let you go? Man, because I
noticed it your off day and you you, I mean,
you got to go get your time. And I appreciate
you you sharing some moments with me, but I know
you gotta gotta go take care of yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean, I didn't expect you to ask me if
I had any questions, to be honest, but uh, you know,
I definitely hope we can link up sometime and you know,
chat and just keep talking ball. And I want to
be an all pro one day, and I want to
continue to be an all pro. So I think just
seeing how you manage being that level this year in
you're out like back to back, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
What I mean, we could definitely chat that out, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I mean, I'll pull up to that to the facility
and we can we can have coffee and moel office
and and chop it up and talk to them ball.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
But it's a lot of it is just grind it man. Like,
it's it's staying in your routine.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's like like everything you're saying right now and what
you're talking about like playing free and like letting me
go and trusting, trusting the tape, your study, trusting your teammates.
Like for us, it was it was like the standard
was so high for us that we'd be practicing so
damn hard every damn day that you go to games
and be like it's like a sigh of relief out here.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Y'all boys, y'all boys don't know the tempo we up
by twenty five. I love I love that. Man.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Jay talks a lot about that too, actually because he
played with y'all, you know what I mean. So he
talked about how different y'all were in practice. That's the
main thing he talks about. He doesn't talk about game that.
He's just like, man, the way these guys practice was
like on another level, you know, because.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We had like, like imagine the annoying guy in practice
that goes way too hard and walk through we had
like twenty five of them, like about the whole defense.
So so you're sitting there and you're like, hey, y'all
you I mean, y'all putting clicks on for walkthroughs.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Y'all like rolling all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And it's like at that point, Pete has to just
say like, hey, either you don't want us on the field,
or don't do the walk through because you know what
tempo we're going to be at and you know what
it's going to be asked and what we're going to
be doing. So if you don't want that, don't put
us out there. Put the scout team out there and
let it go how it's going to go. But if
you put us out there, you getting full speed tempo,
and you're getting aggression.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
All the time, in aggression, in aggression, because somebody might
get hurt.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's why we kept losing draft picks and stuff because
we'd go to OTA's and you know, they tell us
not to break up passes and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But Pete, you know, it would show one on ones
every single.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Day, and he'd show one on ones and he showed
the corners losing and it's like, bro, I could have
better that, I could have picked that, But you'll tell
me not to go for the ball. All right, That's
the last we're gonna ever do that. So now we're
going for the ball every time. Kick me out the practice.
But man, it's until our own hands.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, that's how we was. And then if we lose
draft picks and all this other shit.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But now you know not don't show one on ones
if you don't want us going out there and playing
as hard as we can, because don't try to get
these dudes no fake confidence.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
We all we ain't like that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I mean, we we all competitive out here. Man, we
are real dogs. But I appreciate you, brother, I'll let
you go. Let's I'm gonna hit you, give you my
number once we get off the record, and we could
figure out when you free and I can pull up
and and have some coffee and.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Mo's office all right for sure. Thank you man, Appreciate you, sir.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
The volume
The volume. You know, for these adult football championship that
should always do the expectation. All right, man, as you
go ahead, Welcome back to Richard Sherman Podcast. I got
an incredible guest here, the Big Cat, Leonard Williams. How
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you feeling, brother, You've been playing great football.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm feeling great great.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I appreciate that defense has been rolling lately since the
bye week. Team has been on a good high. We
obviously came up of a loss that we're not happy about,
but you know, I feel like the team in general
still got everything ahead of us.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
No question, you got everything ahead of you.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I mean, because that was a weird game, and it
seemed like y'all found y'all found the answers in the
second half. I don't know what the second half adjustments were,
but it was right, you know, whatever it was, it
seemed like y'all had answers for everything, and you personally,
every god damn third and fourth down when they trying
to run the football, you fighting a way to get through.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
One time, it looked like they just parted for you.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah. Block him, Yeah. I mean, obviously I'm gonna take
that lay up. But I also think Mike just called
a great call and we had like a little outside
stunt and I think the offensive linement just wasn't expecting
me to stunt out and they kind of like misread
their blocks or something like that, and it just timed
up perfectly.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I got in the backfield. I didn't want to shoot
my shot right away, so it was funny. I got
the backfield and kind of like square it up. But
it was it was a great call.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, to talk about that because obviously, you know you've
come here and you got traded and all that, and
then you get a new coaching staff and it's much different.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I think, Well, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It's it seems like a much different scheme than you've
played in UH in the past, and they used you
a lot of different ways, you know, inside kind of
on the age ish UH. Talk about that and how
much it really gets to showcase your versatility.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, my opinion, defensive coordinators that have like utilized me
the best. I have always played me like all along
the D line because I can play like pretty much
a shade like all the way to a nine technique
if I have to, And to me, I like doing
that because I'm able to move all up and down
the line, not always sticking in one spot, getting double
teams and things like that. And actually I did play
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in a similar defense with Week Martin. He was also
from the Ravens, so it was slightly similar. I think
the biggest difference is here we have a combination of
that Raven style defense like with also AD's style of
like past rush, which for me is a great combination
(02:39):
because I think that older like Raven style defense, they
have a lot of like safety blitzes and pressures and
things like that where sometimes a lot of the big
guys our job is to just like eat blockers and
like have these like smaller guys free off the edge,
and like I feel like this combination of defense allows
like the big guys to eat too.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I want to hear about Ernest Jones and Tyree Knight
because again we talked about the bye we and how
dominant y'all have been since the bye week. I mean,
those have been the biggest changes. You know, no, no,
nothing bad. You don't have to say anything about your
reel and Jerome, you know what I mean. Obviously, the
coaching staff made decisions they felt like they needed to make,
but those guys have come in and just played like
their hairs on fire. Ernest didn't even know the scheme.
(03:16):
Came in first week and was moving and shaken. Yeah,
I mean to your point. I mean, those guys came
in and made a big difference. You know, our defensive
run game has like changed a lot since the Bie week,
since having EJ and T Night back there. I love
T Dott and those guys, but you know, I feel
like you know, like you said, I don't control the moves,
but at the end of the day, I love having
EJ and T Night back there two nights. Like a
(03:37):
young guy who's really just hungry and striving to be
the best he can every week. You know, we started
competing with each other since that Cardinals game, and like
every week he comes up to me now and he's
just like a.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Leo, like we're gonna compete again, Like we're gonna compete again.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's like I could just see that hunger and like
a young passionate player's eyes that I'm just like, man,
I was there before, you know what I mean. So
I just I love it, and like EJ. I mean,
it's crazy that he just turned twenty five. He seems
like such a savvy vet already. There's times he's out
there just telling us where the run play is going
and bumping the front and things like that. So in
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my opinion, he's one of the best linebackers that I
played with, to be honest, and I've only played with
him in a short amount of time, so hopefully we
can keep playing together.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Last year, you were the first player to play eighteen
games since like nineteen thirty something crazy like that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You got no bye week. Did you feel it?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I would say I felt it for sure, especially
you know, playing eighteen games and year nine.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know what I mean, right right?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I want no part, but but I finally got a
bye week this year, and I also felt that it
reminded me of how just how useful having a bye
week is in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Much needed.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So you go from that to like this year, new staff.
But you're a leader, you're a captain, you know what
I mean. This crazy talented front that you guys have,
Derek Hall, the rookie Biron Murphy, there's so many there's
so much talent and really depth on this d line.
Can you talk about how much fun you guys have
you know, because sometimes, you know, when there's egos involved,
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people don't want to rotate out. People don't want this,
people don't want that. But it doesn't seem like y'all
have that. Jaron Reid's in there, you know what I mean,
there's a lot of really talented guys interior in on
the outside. Draymond Jones and Boya talk about how it
is to manage those guys in that room.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean, I think this is one of the most
stacked the lines I've played on in my career, and
I played it with some really good guys throughout my career.
When I got drafted, I've played with you know, Sheldon
Richardson Snacks, Damon Harrison, and Big Mo Wilkerson. You know,
we pretty much had like three first rounders in the room,
and even this feels like we have way more depth
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and rotation here. And and like you said, sometimes it's
hard when it's hard to not have egos when you've
always been a guy your whole life, you know what
I mean. Unlet's every guy in our room has been
the best at their high school, the best at their college,
and even some of the best in the in the
NFL sometimes, and uh, it's it's hard sometimes when you
have a room.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Full of just alpha alpha guys.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But I think just from learning each other and you know,
having that type of family environment that we have in
the D line room has allowed us to just like
understand our role and and just and just live up
to our role the best we can. And you know,
we try to take ego out of it as much
as possible.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
All Right, Let's let's pivot a little bit because I
just this is personal questions, well personal for me because
I'm a PAC twelve guy, and I just want to
ask what you think about all this chaos in college
football and just they ruined it many ruin.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean that's the that's the hard thing about the
you know how I'm seeing, like I agree that I
think that ruined it, just because when I was in college,
it was like all about like you know, we were
broke college kids.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It kind of what brought us together.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Once I got to the NFL, it was like so
different because it's like now people are playing for money.
Everybody kind of has a different agenda and things like that.
So you don't you don't see that connectiveness as much
once I transition from college to the NFL, which is
like now you're starting to see that before kids even
leave high school almost because it's like kids are already
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in high school thinking about nil deals and things like that.
So it's just like it's become so much more of
a business and this money oriented and things like that.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So you know, I'm fine with the money, you know
what I mean. If you run it like the pros,
you know what I mean, run it like the pros.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But it's like these kids are sitting there like they transfer.
I didn't get enough money, so I'm transferred, or I
didn't get enough money so I ain't playing this game.
I'm not practicing this game.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Like bro. And you can't really punish him as a coach.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's why I don't think Belichick is going to do
well because in the league, you don't practice, you're getting
your behind fine, these kids coming to practice and like
I'm not practicing, cut me and I'll try to, like
you know what I mean. Like that's the part that's
a problem. That's a problem for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I felt like I mean, and the worst part is
eventually all the players are just eventually going to bleed
out from the old old ways, and you know, all
these people from the NIL are eventually going to be
the NFL players, and it's just tough to see.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Like sometimes, but.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
The kid from SC specifically the Bear Alexander kid, Oh yeah,
they said he's transferred seven schools in seven years. They
said four times in high school and this will be
his third transfer in college. Like a kid like that.
If I'm an NFL team, I don't know how I'm
drafting that kid. I don't know how I'm drafting that kid.
(08:34):
You can't state, can't stay still, not loyal, no loyalty
and no no ability to overcome and and just like
ten toes down and dig in and like let's go.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I Mean one of the main phrases that freaking Mike
McDonald says all the time is through, not around. And
it's just like that's one of those situations where you know, kids,
instead of facing the hardships and facing the difficulties and
being with the team and going through it together, like
sometimes nowadays, can just be like you know, f it,
I'm gonna just transfer. And you know, to us that's
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going around, You're not going through the problem exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And I don't know how you fix that, you know
what I mean. The NCAA could have done it when
they first start asking, hey, time to pay the kids.
They should have They should have just put a salary
cap in and then upped it uped it up it up,
and you would have had a better argument.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But yeah, that's not two cents. Sorry, we digrest.
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So I want to talk about your time in New
York and you coming back and having a game you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Had that had to feel like, boy, it can't get
no better than that. Yeah, I mean that was a
crazy full circle moment.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You know, me and Gino and and all my interviews
leading up to that game, I kept trying to say,
you know, I'm treating like a regular game. You know,
I got drafted there so long ago, I'm not really
attached anymore, and things like that, which was all true
for me leading up to the game. But I got
a say after the game, it definitely felt like, Okay,
that was pretty poetic, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So you know, it felt good going back playing the.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
MetLife Stadium on a you know, opposing team this time,
and you know, having a day like that, it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, a ninety two yard pick six, the longest
by three hundred pounds play plus player. I mean, what
about Jay Reed talking about he didn't know you was
that heavy? I said, jay Reed, what do you think
he's human being is ninety, Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, I guess because like my frame looks a little
leaner than than most guys, you know, three hundred plus pounds.
I think sometimes when people think of a three hundred
pounder on the d line, they're probably thinking of, like,
you know, a big rounder guy. But I'm like tall
and lean, more athletic built. So sometimes guys think I'm
like around like two eighty two ninety. Sometimes I don't
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got three twelve. Man.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I mean, you've been around football enough, you know what
I mean, which Jay R should.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So that's what I'm saying. You're d live and it's
all you ran. You know the difference.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
But talk to me about your draft day experience because clearly,
you know we had two totally different draft day experiences.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know, you were going top five and I was
trying to get drafted. I mean, hey, you had a
great career, Marion, regardless of where you got drafted. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, I mean my draft day was in Chicago, which
was pretty cool. I think it was like one of
the first times they started switching up where the draft was.
I think it was always in New York before that
I ended up falling out of the top five, which
is where I was projected, and I went sixth overall,
So obviously, you know, really happy exciting day for me.
Had all my family with me in Chicago, and I
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just was not expecting the Jets to draft me though.
I remember, because when I seen them up at six,
I'm like, oh, they already have like Moe Wilkerson and
Snacks and Sheldon and all the guys on the D line,
Like they don't need another D line man. But I
remember when they called me and took me, they would
just say, hey, like we see it as you know,
best available, not necessarily what the team needs. And they
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thought I was best available on the board and drafted
me to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's such a different city, you know. I can imagine
getting drafted to New York.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's such a big city, so much to do, so
much expectations, so much media scrutiny and attention.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I know that had to be a hard transition.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, that is hard. I mean, especially right out of college.
You know, I was a young player. I was only
twenty years old. I remember even taking the D line
to Ricky dinner, and you know when I got the
bill and I tried to pay for it. The lady
was like, wait, you can't pay for the bill because
y'all had drinks and you're you're under twenty one.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So I got off the hook a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But you know, they they for sure found another way
to get it out of me.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Don't worry.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know how I was back then. Man, back then,
that's crazy. That was ten years ago for me. So
I could say that that's good. Time flies, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
That's crazy. And then you come to Seattle. Seattle is
a whole different city than in New York.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
You're not really in Seattle when you play for Seaws,
you really own the East Side.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, I mean, it was really tough playing in New York,
I'll say. I mean, especially, like I said, as a
young player, even getting drafted so high comes with the
things as well. Like being drafted so high, I'm thinking,
I'm putting pressure on myself. Even there's already expectations out there,
and you know, I'm putting expectations on myself as well.
So I felt like when I was younger, I was
kind of, you know, forcing myself to try to make
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these TFLs and sacks, and I live up to my
draft status, which I think made me play out of
character and didn't allow me to play like freely, to
be honest, And that's something I try to tell the
young guys now now that I'm in year ten. I'm like, hey, Like,
the reason why I'm able to play good now is
because you know, I go out there and played fearless.
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I know what I'm doing, and I play free and
I'm not trying to like chase these players. I'm just
trying to, you know, play good technique and play within
the framework of the defense and things like that. So
I think, like playing in the city of New York
definitely had a lot of pressure, a lot of scrutiny,
media and things like that, and you know, playing in
Seattle and now is completely different. I talked about. I
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remember my first game here when I got traded. We
played against the Ravens and it was an away game
and we got blew out. It was you know, it
was an ugly loss. And I remember we got home
at like four am, pulled up to the facility and
there's fans everywhere still like after a loss, and I'm
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like that I'm not used to that because in New
York it's like we're losing at halftime when fans are
leaving and booing our own team. You know, here they're
still rooting for you even after a loss at five
am outside of the building.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm like, this is different. It's totally different. I mean, passionate,
and I don't think people understand. So you experience it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
But that's a really cool experience and a cool story
because we used to have that all the time, especially
in the playoffs. We go to a game, you know,
play a playoff game, come back and you know, as
the little road when you're coming out of the airport
used to be lined with Seahawks fans. So when we
got on runs, it used to just be like freaking
like a mile worth of fans at whatever time we
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got back. You know, it didn't matter what time we
got back. It'd be three, four o'clock, two o'clock in
the morning, it's gonna be fans lined up, and you
know it really, it really was a cool thing to
see and motivating factor, and and you know, you had
an appreciation for what those people were going through and
people showing up for you, and you tried to put
it on tape for him. But you putting it on
tape this year in a different way than I. You know, honestly,
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I think you have you know, it's you probably canna
get your first All Pro this year, I would imagine,
unless they voting it different than they have been. But
you playing like an All Pro? How much would it
mean to you to be named to one of those
All Pro teams?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I mean, it would mean the world to me, honestly.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
You know, I've been in the sleep for ten years,
and you know that's something that you know, every player
strives to be, you know, the best at what they do.
And you know, I'm sitting in that defensive meeting room
every day and I'm seeing you and Earl Thomas up
there on the on the All Pro board and things
like that, and I'm just like, man, how how beautiful
would it be to add another be Hawk up there
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on that board? And uh, you know, I want to
be remembered here and I want to you know, put
a stamp on my legacy and just my career. And
and just like you said, like playing for those fans,
like you know, gives give the twelves.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's more more things to root for and it'll mean
a lot to me. That'd be really cool, man, And
I hope you get it. You deserve it. You've been
playing your butt off. Y'all got Minnesota this week. It's
it's you know, they're a tough team at eleven and two,
but y'all are a tough team and y'all tough outfit,
and I think it's gonna match up really well.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
What do you feel like y'all got to do over.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
These next three to to to get in because it's
gonna take all three of them really to get you
all in the playoffs. And I know, you know, you
take it one game at a time, but just talking
the team more than the matchups and anything. What do
you think you guys have to do as a team
to just you know, keep steady the course and you know,
obviously you want four in a row before losing this one.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What do you have to do going forward? I think
just really lock in, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I feel like we did a good job of that
after the bye week, because we started off the season
high and then we kind of lost a few games
and then we were kind of at like that five
hundred team place. After the bye week, and after the
bye week, you know, the leaders and the coaches and
everybody said, hey, we got to treat it like playoffs now.
So that kind of got us in the mindset of
like treating like week by week. We just were locked
(19:40):
in and I don't want to say we got comfortable
or anything like that, but you know, after four game
win streak sometimes it does get a little you know,
you've been there before where you know, guys start to
get a little comfortable, you start not doing the little things.
Is as fine tuned as you were when you were
losing and knew what was on the line and things
(20:00):
like that. So I think this loss, you know, definitely
put a bad taste in my mouth. And we're about
to be home again this week, and I think coming
off of that loss is definitely gonna make us, you know,
locked back in and you know, talal in on the
details again.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So how long do you want to play? Man? I
think I want to play as.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Long as I'm able to keep being a factor in
this league, and then I'm gonna try to keep playing.
To be honest, I think when I was young, I said, hey,
when I get to year ten, I'm gonna retire.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You know, I was young.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I thought, you know, ten years was a great career,
Like you know, I didn't know how fast it was
just gonna go like that, you know what I mean.
It went by so fast, and I feel like now
I'm still playing, you know, some of my best ball,
to be honest, So I feel like I still got
a few good years under my belt.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think so too. I think so too. I think
that's gonna be cool.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And you say so much when I when I was
first getting into the league, I was like, man, I
just want to get past the three years three games.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I feel like if I go for I'm pretty I
feelt pretty good about myself.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I went past the average, and then I got to
year like nine. It's like in the Super Bowls, like
I think I could do a couple of more. I
think I think I got a couple more in me.
I think I got this game pretty well figured out.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You get to that point, yeah, yeah, And it's so
hard because you take your point so when you're older
where you almost just take it a year by year.
At this point, you know what I mean, It's just
like as long as a year feel feeling good to
got it.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You're just all right. Maybe I got a year or
two more left than me, you know what I mean. Yeah,
you take it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Year by year, and you're so like you you have
such less wasted movement now, you know what I mean,
Like you're not wasting I'm not wasting time, I'm not
wasting steps. I'm not like doing unnecessary stuff. You know,
I know how to take care of my body. I
got my routine together, I got my off season routine together.
Like I know what's going on. And sometimes it's hard
to explain it to a young guy until they experience it.
You're like, hey, you might not want to do that.
(21:51):
You might not want to do that, but sometimes you
got to go out there and bump your head to
be like, oh okay, maybe look I told you. I
told you you might not want to do that, like
I was from experience.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I mean I remember when I was younger, I was
going out all the time, like you said, I was
in big New York City. I had that, you know,
I wasn't taking care of my body as well and
things like that, and and you know, like you said,
it's like being older now, it's like you understand the
game a little bit more. You're not out there just
like wasting energy. And I also, I've been talking about
joking lately that I just have like grown man strength
(22:24):
too now. So it's like once I reached a certain
once I reached a certain age, it's like now I'm like, okay,
if I'm getting one on one block, I know I'm
locked this guy out.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You know what I mean? That obviously plays a difference,
no question, no question.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You I don't know if you got kids yet, but
when you as soon as you have kids, that that
comes that day.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Now you got something to play for it. That's what
it is.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I started strong arm long arm, and people at the
course class said, look at this, where.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Did this come from? What you know about the long arm?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I know something? You blister times every down here off
the edge the arm over. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
They never let me pled stop. You got any questions
for me before I let you go? Man, because I
noticed it your off day and you you, I mean,
you got to go get your time. And I appreciate
you you sharing some moments with me, but I know
you gotta gotta go take care of yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean, I didn't expect you to ask me if
I had any questions, to be honest, but uh, you know,
I definitely hope we can link up sometime and you know,
chat and just keep talking ball. And I want to
be an all pro one day, and I want to
continue to be an all pro. So I think just
seeing how you manage being that level this year in
you're out like back to back, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
What I mean, we could definitely chat that out, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I mean, I'll pull up to that to the facility
and we can we can have coffee and moel office
and and chop it up and talk to them ball.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
But it's a lot of it is just grind it man. Like,
it's it's staying in your routine.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's like like everything you're saying right now and what
you're talking about like playing free and like letting me
go and trusting, trusting the tape, your study, trusting your teammates.
Like for us, it was it was like the standard
was so high for us that we'd be practicing so
damn hard every damn day that you go to games
and be like it's like a sigh of relief out here.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Y'all boys, y'all boys don't know the tempo we up
by twenty five. I love I love that. Man.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Jay talks a lot about that too, actually because he
played with y'all, you know what I mean. So he
talked about how different y'all were in practice. That's the
main thing he talks about. He doesn't talk about game that.
He's just like, man, the way these guys practice was
like on another level, you know, because.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We had like, like imagine the annoying guy in practice
that goes way too hard and walk through we had
like twenty five of them, like about the whole defense.
So so you're sitting there and you're like, hey, y'all
you I mean, y'all putting clicks on for walkthroughs.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Y'all like rolling all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And it's like at that point, Pete has to just
say like, hey, either you don't want us on the field,
or don't do the walk through because you know what
tempo we're going to be at and you know what
it's going to be asked and what we're going to
be doing. So if you don't want that, don't put
us out there. Put the scout team out there and
let it go how it's going to go. But if
you put us out there, you getting full speed tempo,
and you're getting aggression.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
All the time, in aggression, in aggression, because somebody might
get hurt.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's why we kept losing draft picks and stuff because
we'd go to OTA's and you know, they tell us
not to break up passes and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But Pete, you know, it would show one on ones
every single.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Day, and he'd show one on ones and he showed
the corners losing and it's like, bro, I could have
better that, I could have picked that, But you'll tell
me not to go for the ball. All right, That's
the last we're gonna ever do that. So now we're
going for the ball every time. Kick me out the practice.
But man, it's until our own hands.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, that's how we was. And then if we lose
draft picks and all this other shit.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But now you know not don't show one on ones
if you don't want us going out there and playing
as hard as we can, because don't try to get
these dudes no fake confidence.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
We all we ain't like that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I mean, we we all competitive out here. Man, we
are real dogs. But I appreciate you, brother, I'll let
you go. Let's I'm gonna hit you, give you my
number once we get off the record, and we could
figure out when you free and I can pull up
and and have some coffee and.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Mo's office all right for sure. Thank you man, Appreciate you, sir.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
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