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Colin wants people to full appreciate what Sam Darnold has accomplished this season with the Vikings and why he has earned a big contract extension. He tells you why he was right about Jayden Daniels and wrong about the Packers. Plus, Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show to talk about the Chiefs offense as they prepare to win a 3rd straight Super Bowl. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:23):
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We got a lot to talk about. Colin Wright, Colin Raw,
plenty of boat top of next hour. Matt Hasselbeck, Hu'soha's money,
He'll bring the bag. Jmack. I don't know if you noticed,
but Sam Donald, next weekend we'll be playing for the

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number one see in the NFC. Oh, by the way,
once again, slide in Sam Darnald. Why is it he
in the MVP Conversation? Am I crazy? He leads in
like every category in the MVP co edition. Your ric
rock Perdy was in it last year.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Rydnoald's like a carbon copy of rock Perdy.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's amazing He's been slided for six years. Let's start
with this. For the last six years, I've been mocked, ridiculed,
laughed at, and it hurt my feelings. And I still
believed Sam Donald's got a little bit of Andrew Luck. Tough, relentless,
like a linebacker playing quarterback, coachable, throws a bad pick,

(01:29):
follows it up with a great pass. What you're seeing
is the Andrew Luck thing, and they're asking him to
make big boy throws. He leads the NFL sixty completions
over twenty plus yards. Those are Brady and Mahome throws.
No dink and dunk here, seventy percent completion rate, twenty
six t d He's three picks in the red zone.
He's the league's most efficient quarterback now and in the

(01:52):
second half of the last seven games, one thousand yards
and a passer rating of one fourteen. Why is he
not in the MVP discussion? Hello, look at all the numbers,
because you've already disqualified him. You made up your mind,
and that's what we do in the media. You have
decided it's a cute story. But no, no, no, no, no,

(02:19):
this roster isn't great. There's no bot Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold.
Look at the numbers? Who do you trust more in
a playoff game? Are you sure it's Lamar? And I
love Lamar? But what I said years ago, I said,
there's Samandrew Luck here. All you did just took shots.
Here's the thing. When you watch him play, you know what,

(02:40):
you notice how much his coach. His coach trusts him,
And don't worry about being liked in life. It's who
likes you. And everybody in America is bailing on Sam Donald.
You know who didn't. Kyle Shanahan's like, I think he's good,
Kevin O'Connell McVeigh, Yeah, I think he's really good. Yeah,
I'm gonna trust those guys. Yeah. A lot of defensive
core ordinators who are anti Riss didn't like him. And

(03:03):
by the way, he'll give you an ugly pick, So
does Mahomes, so does Josh Allen, sod is Justin Herbert.
But after his pick yesterday nine for twelve hundred and
thirty four passer rating, that is Andrew Luck. I don't
think he's his gifted as Andrew Luck. I never have
I said it. Then there's some Andrew Luck a little
far of here. But what you're seeing now, look at
what they ask him to do. Any time you watch

(03:25):
a game, when you watch the offense, watch what a
coaching staff allows the quarterback to do. In fact, my
criticism of Minnesota yesterday was when they let in the
second half. I was like, Kevin, turn the governor down,
throttle it down. You don't have to have you don't
have to have him throwing in the teeth of Green

(03:46):
Bay's pass rushing defense. But that's how much confidence they have.
And this is not the best the roster will be.
They've got cap space. They've got a lot of really
really good young players, as Sam Darnold, hero thirty three
of forty three should be in the MVP conversation. Show
you a picture of him here going into the locker room.

(04:08):
They know what they have in Minnesota. What they have
is an MVP level quarterback. It's not just a great
story that was September and October and then in November.
Do we have a great player now? It's like, do
we have the MVP. You can't let him go. His
contract now is fifty. It's not a forty. It's a

(04:28):
fifty on the market. Here's Sam after a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Of water, bottles, a lot of water. It was just mayhem.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I think I blacked out. You know, when Aaron Jones
grabbed me and lifted me up. I didn't know what
to do with my hands in that situation, so Ricky
Bobby style. So it was Yeah, it was an interesting moment,
but a fun moment man, to be embraced by your
teammates like that.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Sam has played so well for three months straight. You know,
I always do the Super Bowl bubble about once a month,
every five weeks. Here's my super Bowl bubble. Green Bay's out,
Minnesota is in. I think the Rams, the Packers, and
the Chargers are still a year away. Green Bays disappointed
me in the last few weeks. Can't beat Minnesota or Detroit.

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I'll put Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit. And Darnald
has been good enough. This isn't me being a fanboy.
Donald has been so absolutely spectacular. They lost their left
tackle earlier this year. Arguably the first or second best
left tackle has he lost. Since it's not like this
is a great defense. Green Bay's got better personnel, so

(05:36):
it's half the league. Where do you go, Sammy? One
person in America did not bail on you.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Let's go to Jaden Daniels. So here's of the many
reasons the NFL is king. This could be number one.
It's the League of hope. Washington was a tire fire
because of the worst owner, arguably in professional sports today,
and so they just cleaned out the building. They sold
the team new GM and I said, you know what,

(06:06):
Snyder had such a stench around him. I think they're
going to make the playoffs. And I think Jaden's going
to be really good. I didn't think he was going.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
To be this.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I said, you know, he'll be like Lamar Jackson light.
I'm not sure if it's light. This kid's insane. And
in the NFL, if you get the quarterback right, everything
else falls into place. This is not a great roster.
But even their defense last year worse than the league
total defense. Now it's ten. Why is that? Because their

(06:38):
defense plays with a lead. A great quarterback is makeup
on a blemish. It's an eraser. Everybody's got issues. A
great quarterback erases them, and an average quarterback. What Indianapolis
has multiplies them. And this old line's not great, but
now it's formidable. The defense has issues on the back end,

(07:01):
but when you play with the lead, defensive line can
pin their ears back. Every unit now, I mean they
didn't make that many personnel changes, but every unit looks better.
And I mean, like yesterday is a prime example of
what a great player can do. I thought the Atlanta
Falcons finally getting a pass rush Matthew Judhon. I thought

(07:21):
they had some good coverage. It didn't matter. As good
as Pennix was, he can't do this. You can add
twenty five to thirty five percent to a playbook because
Jayden Daniels can run, and I love Pennix, but he
looked limited in the sand. He's excellent compared to Jayden Daniels. So,
and what's really remarkable, it's not just when you're good.

(07:43):
The first thing we noticed about Patrick Malmes and you
noticed that I noticed this. By year two he was
actually almost better trailing in games. A lot of quarterbacks
with the lead, it's second and three. You got good protection,
Cooper Rush can make plays. You trail by two touchdowns
end of the third, they know you've got to throw.

(08:05):
You got a banged up offensive line. That was the
first sign with Mahomes. Oh wait, bro this is different.
He may be the best come from behind quarterback not
named John Hallway ever Jayden Daniels in the fourth quarter
in overtime this year. This again, this is an okay
offensive line. He's got one weapon, has the highest passer
rating in the league. That is insane. And remember back

(08:29):
in camp when generally when you get a rookie quarterback,
like in Chicago with Caleb Williams, or Denver with Drake
may or New Denver with Bownicks, or New England with
Drake Maye, remember what the coaches always doing. Well, he's
got a long way to go. Let's slow down, let's
pump the brakes. Cliff Kingsbury and Dan Quinn every time

(08:51):
you put a mic in front of them, they were like,
hoo hoo hoo. This guy's unbelievable. You're like, Okay, this
guy's got to be good. Coaches never do that. Kingsbury's
been in the league. Dan Quinn's been in the league forever.
Dan Quinn during the preseason, this kid's unbelievable. You're like,

(09:12):
what are you doing? Doesn't matter, kid can handle it.
I mean, I just I love this kid. No ego
loves his teammates. A couple drops yesterday by his receivers.
How many penalties did Washington have? You're pulling your hair out,
and he's just like, all right, another play. No bad
body language. You see that occasionally from a quarterback in

(09:33):
New York. No pointing fingers. He's a foxhole guy going
gets tough. The kid just head down, no finger pointing.
Zach Ertz, a veteran tight end, noticed it in camp.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
It comes down to having a really good quarterback in
this see if you want to.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Be a good team.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
And from the moment I got here, seeing Jaden out there,
I continually said, you know, this guy isn't someone that's
gonna be good. He's good now. He's the most mature
rookie I've ever been around. He approaches the game, he
loves to learn, and so he just he exudes such
a quiet confidence. He's not out there a raw, raw guy.

(10:13):
But we all know how good he is and how
much confident we have in him, and so he doesn't
need to say anything.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Nobody has delivered in the DC area on this level
of promise in years. This is a candidate we can
all get behind a bi partisan quarterback. Yes, we're all
in on Jaden Daniels, and he and I both approved
this message. This kid is magic. You're watching magic. I'm

(10:43):
not even sure if he's Lamar Jackson light. It's like
I see all the same qualities. I mean, I'm watching
Penix last night, and I think Pennix is going to
be exceptional, and Jadeen Daniels shrinks him. I mean, that's
how good this kid is and all the boxes. No ego, selfless, athletic, accurate,

(11:06):
hard working foxhole guy j Mack. I grew up in Washington, DC.
They used to have a thirty year wait list on
season tickets, and then an owner came in and ruined it.
All the goodwill. That reservoir of goodwill lost it. You
can walk up and buy a ticket to any game.

(11:26):
Good luck getting season tickets going forward with the Commanders.
This kid is Broadway.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, him and Cliff Kingsbury working some magic in Washington.
That offense unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I mean, listen, I thought you were gonna.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Go the opposite way and take some shots at Rahee
Morris for botching that game.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I've come to terms with coaches in the NFL. Is
anybody now that Belichick is retired. Is anybody good with
clock management? Zach Taylor drove me nuts. Oh gosh, don't
start Raheem Morris drove me nuts. But I've come to
the conclusion that nobody's great at it.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Does Bradie moorees think you can take time outs home,
like after the game, you can just bring them home.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
We both had Atlanta, so it was, uh, just.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I know, I take a pair. I like you being positive.
Jade Daniels was exceptional. Oh the kids just he's spectaclic
We need you need to do a new top ten
quarterback list.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
He's how's he not? You know, it's one of these things, well,
you know how sometimes people say, hey, you're you're confirmation bias. Yeah,
I thought he was going to be really good, or
it's recency bias. Folks. When you get to the end
of an NFL season and Sam Darnold's been great for
fourteen weeks or thirteen of the seventeen, that's not really
recency bias. He's having a great year. And when you

(12:44):
watch Jaden Daniels, I can argue his best month was September.
Remember in September, We're like, whoa, Okay, this can't last
and then he had your usual problem, and now he's
restarted it in the last three to four weeks.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
That rib injury seems like he's past that. There was
the hic up the light. He does take some shots.
He did take a big shot.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
At the goal line.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Oh yeah, one hundred and twenty seven yards on the
ground line.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I mean they locked up McLaurin right.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
He had one catch for five yards and Jaye Daniel's like, okay,
I'll just do this my sushi.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Atlanta should have won that game and controlled big portions.
The only reason they didn't is Jaden Daniels. I mean,
Atlanta controlled the first half. Atlanta should have called timeouts
and gotten the field goal. Jaden Daniels is the only
reason you win. Again. A great quarterback is an eraser.
Every team has issues. An average quarterback is a multiplier.

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Little things become big pains, and that you know what,
this kid just erased a really bad first half where
Atlanta controlled it. Uh, don't forget Colin Wright, colinra on
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(15:10):
Mac Michael Urban next hour as well. These Monday shows
are great. What a wild weekend of football Saturday Sunday.
Also coming up the Bold Game or the playoff games
folks the next three days. I know you all complained
about the college football playoff last weekend. Now it's neutral fields.
Now it's your Texas Notre Dame Georgia stacking up against

(15:31):
each other. Well, keep your eye on Boise State with
an upset.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
You see the money coming in on Arizona State over
the weekend, down from thirty thirteen to a laugh.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
To eleven and a half against Texas.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I think a lot of people go to Vegas right
on the weekend from Arizona and they start loading up
on the gambling.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
So we'll see. I think the games are gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yep, I'm gonna take Notre Dame. I think I'm gonna
take Notre Dame. All right, here we go on a Monday.
Colin right, Colin wrong?

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Where Colin was right?

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Well, they were my number one dark horse team to
make the playoffs every year. I picked one team. Last
year it was the Rams, this year it was Washington.
I felt just getting Dan Snyder, the owner, out of
the building was worth wins. I also thought Jaden Daniels
was going to be a little Lamar Jackson light. He
is a spectacular talent and a wonderful kid. You knew
he was going to be great when the coaching staff

(16:20):
couldn't stop heaping praise on him in the preseason, which
coaches never do. We got the Commanders.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
Right where Colin was rough.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think I've probably been too high on the Green
Bay Packers. They got beat by the Lions twice, the
Vikings twice, and the Eagles. I like this roster a lot.
I like the coach, but they can't beat the good teams.
And I had them above Minnesota and Detroit in the
herd hierarchy. When they're really good, like the fourth quarter
when they came roaring back. They are so talented and
so much fun to watch. But they're zero to five

(16:50):
against the top teams in the NFC, so I they're
probably a year away. I kind of fell for him,
but I still like their future. Where Colin was right, Herbert,
I said, no young quarterback has had to overcome coaching
in his career more than Justin Herbert. Just get him
Harbaugh and he'll be magic. Right now. His efficiency for

(17:13):
a quarterback with over four hundred attempts is the best
ever next to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. He's a
remarkable kid, four to two college major and a tutor
in biology size speed. Justin Herbert finally got the coach.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Where Colin was wrong.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I like the Colts all year. I love their roster,
but that may have been the worst loss in the
NFL this year. They lost a close game to the Giants.
They were getting housed early in some of their issues
on the back end of their defense. I don't think
they're very good, but there's no division titles here in
the last ten years, and this was a bad one.
I've said this before. If Darnold's on the market, I

(17:53):
would go after him. I like Joe Flacco. I think
Anthony Richardson's talented, but sometimes you got to cut your
losses and ignite in the AFC. If we're gonna win
big boy games, we got to get better at quarterback.
If Donald hits the market and you're the Colts, go
get him.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Where Colin was right, Yes.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I said Baker Mayfield and Tampa I would sign him
to a long deal. I thought this was a perfect fit.
This organization's always had talent and always had a bit
of a chip on its shoulder for being ignored. I
thought this was a great fit. And even though Baker
and I have had disagreements, Mike Evans, Baker Mayfield time

(18:31):
to throw pretty magic. You know, he leads the NFL
in touchdown passes since he joined Tampa. It's a good
receiving course, not that good. Baker and Darnold same draft,
can both play. Where Colin was right, I said the
Rams are going to win their division, but keep your
eye on the defense, not Matt Stafford. And they just
held their last three opponents to single figures. This defense

(18:55):
is really good and getting better. They're very reliant offense
of Leon Poka Nakua and Kyron Williams. But I've said
before I think they're a good team, but not a
super Bowl team. But everybody was loving San Francisco, and
I said, no, they're getting old, expensive and brittle. Keep
your eye on the Rams to win the division and
watch this defense. And they delivered where Colin was raw. Yeah,

(19:19):
I'm officially selling most of my Kyler Murray stock. I
was wrong. I've defended him for years, but listen to this.
He is one and sixteen against the NFC West in
November and December. Well what can I say if I'm
going to sit here all the time and tell you
I like winners, he doesn't win. I think he's talented,
I think he's elusive. I've defended him, even with the

(19:41):
gaming stuff, but at some point I can't keep saying, yeah,
I love this guy. He can't beat division rivals one
in sixteen in November and December. I'm selling my stock
at a loss, by the way, at a.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Loss where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Stop telling me the Kansas City Chiefs are lucky. Best coach,
best coordinator, best quarterback, best defensive lineman. Xavier Worthy is
becoming a star. Number one seed in all of football
number two scoring defense. Listen, they don't blow you away.
They don't win by route. This is not college. It's hard.
The AFC's load. God, look at their division. It's hardbought.

(20:19):
Sean Paige. Even the Raiders play hard. It's hard to
win in this league. It's really hard. And the Chiefs
just keep doing it. You were all saying they were
lucky in Week eight. No they're not. There is a
skill to winning close games. The Patriots did it for
twenty years and they handed the baton to Kansas City

(20:40):
where Colin was right, you know in Rex Ryan's name
got floated for the Jets job. I said, absolutely, he's
a viable candidate. Ian Rapaport reporting today, believe it or not,
he could be interviewed. Everybody makes fun of Rex because
he puts it out there, but he's a culture changer.
Woody Johnson liked him. Great energy, He's got a view

(21:02):
of the world and how to build a football team.
And as running games have had kind of a return
in the NFL. I would interview Rex Ryan, I said
last week. I'd interview Pete Carroll. He's a smart guy.
I'd like to interview Pete Carroll i'd interview Rex Ryan.
I don't think the best candidates. I think they're very
wary of going to the Jets. And I think Rex

(21:23):
Ryan has proven, like a Dan Campbell, he'll change the culture.
And that's one of the issues. That's why I've said
I think Brabel's the guy would hire if not. Rex
Ryan's one of the better culture changers out on the market.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong And with
that eighteen years in the NFL and one of our
favorite fifteen minutes of the week, Matt Hasselbeck now joins
US Live. So let's go to Last Night It is.

(21:50):
I don't know how to explain it for Jaydon Daniels
to be this good this quickly? Is it brain power?
I mean, he's obviously talented. Just shouldn't be this easy.
It shouldn't be this beautiful. Like, are you surprised? What
is it? What do I give the credit to?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (22:09):
Listen, the word for me is awesome. And are you surprised? Yeah,
you should be surprised. This guy is playing unbelievable. He's
playing just like he did at LSU, and I think
like this is an example of it. It matters top
down ownership GM head coach coordinator, Who's in the quarterback
room all day with the guy, But at the end
of the day, this guy hasn't it factor. Listen, I talked.

Speaker 10 (22:30):
About it earlier in the year.

Speaker 9 (22:31):
I don't know what quarterback I was talking about, But
your job is the quarterback, especially on a team like this,
is to be the amazing Marinara sauce over yesterday's pasta.
You don't have the best roster around you. You gotta
be the guy that changes everything. This guy has changed
everything for this team, and I believe that they believe

(22:51):
there's not a team in the NFC that they can't beat. Yeah,
and as long as Jayden Daniels is the quarterback either
with his legs, with his arm throwing it, he doesn't flinch,
he doesn't blink, fourth down, fourth quarter, two minute, He's
got everything you're looking for.

Speaker 10 (23:07):
And for that reason, I think they're a very dangerous team.

Speaker 9 (23:10):
Undisciplined and frustrating, yes, but very dangerous.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
They they get more penalties and bad, bad moments. And
I'll say this, here's something else I like about him,
Matt And I know I've always said I don't like
my quarterbacks. Hat on backwards. I think the podium matters
on Wednesday. People give me crap for that. One of
the things I like about him. This team gets penalized
a lot. They drop passes his body language through all

(23:35):
of it. Because the camera Zoay was on him. It
matters to me, And maybe it shouldn't. Maybe this is
just ridiculous, but I'm watching this team beat itself last
night for three quarters and every time you go to him,
smile pat and the guy in the butt, does a
team sense that.

Speaker 9 (23:54):
Yeah, well, listen, He's played a lot of football, and
I think a lot a lot of that has to
do with why he's so good. He's had some good
coaches throughout his career, college career, now at the NFL.

Speaker 10 (24:03):
But I would say it this way. There's two things
for me.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
Number One, do your teammates believe in you when times
are tough?

Speaker 10 (24:09):
Do they believe in you?

Speaker 9 (24:10):
And then, probably just as importantly, does the opponent fear you? Like,
does the opponent feel like, oh, we got this guy,
we got.

Speaker 10 (24:18):
Him on the ropes?

Speaker 9 (24:19):
Or is he one of those guys where the balls
in his hands late in the game or they're down
and the opponent's like sitting there on the bench and
they're like, ah, shoot, man, like we left him too
much time, or you know what, this guy's gonna do
what he did, you know what we've seen him do
on film, what we've the film that we've studied.

Speaker 10 (24:35):
He's going to bring him back.

Speaker 9 (24:36):
And there's quarterbacks like in my playing career and my
media career that you just you put in that category,
like you gave this guy too much time. It doesn't
matter if they're down by four with under a minute
to go. And Jayden Daniels to me, has that in factor.
That's the aura that he's given off.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
So listen, Addison, Jefferson, Naylor, TJ. Hawkinson, Kevin O'Connell. I'm
not disputing any of it, but what I noticed with
Darnald is the plays they call in crisis, they have
him throwing the ball into the teeth of a defense.
And I've said before I can tell what a coach
thinks of you by the play calls. I mean, when

(25:14):
they got that ball twenty seven, twenty five and the
first down play was a pass, I'm like, that's not
what coaches do. How much is the weapons and how
much is Donald In your opinion.

Speaker 9 (25:26):
Yeah, listen, I believe you'll know what a coach thinks
of his pass protection and his O line by the
plays they call more than the quarterback.

Speaker 10 (25:33):
But it all fits together.

Speaker 9 (25:34):
And if you look at the end of that game,
the one word for me is trust. Like they trusted
him to throw it. I think it was three times
in a row. And they did it in a check
with me system, meaning they'll call a play and they'll
alert it or can it or kill it to another play.

Speaker 10 (25:49):
And they got up there and showed run and he
got up there and he said no, no, no, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
Alert alert or can't can you know, like whatever, we're
going to the second play. And they gave him basically
the keys the Lamborghini. They said, hey, you and your
guys on the field, you got it.

Speaker 10 (26:04):
We trust you. We can't have any incompletion.

Speaker 9 (26:07):
What they do they threw it with, you know, sort
of short yardage, goal line type, high completion percentage plays
that fit them. And so I just think when you
have that seme symmetry with head coach, play caller, quarterback,
you're rolling.

Speaker 10 (26:21):
And that's what they got going right now.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
So I do think I do think it's important that
if a player can hit a bonus and you're winning.
It's a route, and a coach says, listen, I'm gonna
get a guy a catch. He's got a streak, he's
got a bonus in a route. And so the Eagles
are routing the Cowboys. The game's over, they go heavy
into Saquon Barkley. My take is, though, wait a minute.
Your quarterback's hurt, your backup quarterbacks hurt. I don't want

(26:45):
Saquon Barkley hurt. What did you make of the thirty
one plus carries. I'm not anti getting a guy in
a blowout a number or bonus. That's a lot of
carries for a team that's got to banged up quarterback.

Speaker 10 (27:00):
Yeah, listen. I believe in Philly. I believe in everything
that they're doing.

Speaker 9 (27:03):
And this reminds me a little bit because he's real
close to this Eric Dickerson record.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
I think he needs one hundred and one yards. This
reminds me.

Speaker 9 (27:09):
In five, we had the number one seed locked up
in the NFC, Sean Alexander was really close to the
touchdown record. If he gets the touchdown record, he's going
to get the MVP. And I just remember Mike Holmgren
coming in to our team talking about, hey, we're going
to get this touchdown record, like this is a big deal,
and it's a big deal to Sean, but it's a
big deal to all of us. This is an offensive
line award, This is a fullback award, this is a

(27:31):
team award, this is a wide receivers blocking award. And
I thought Mike Holmgren did an amazing job of making
this like, you know what, this is our one and
oh this week, because that's really the goal. You try
to go one and oh this every week. But when
one and O doesn't really matter anymore or doesn't matter
as much, you go for that. And to me, like

(27:52):
knowing the personality of Philly, seeing how strong Saquon still looks,
knowing how unselfish he was earlier in the year when
he could have been patting his stats and he said, no, no,
let the young guys go. Let the young guys go,
And to now still have it in their reach, I
don't know. I think you go for it. I think
you go for it, and I think you play ball,

(28:13):
and I think it's a feather in the cap of
everybody there, coaches included, And I think you play fearless,
and you play to win not only the game in
the end of the season, but also to win this
record for that team and for all of Philly.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Go for it.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
J McK and I were talking earlier. I believe the
Chargers are the best team in the NFL playoffs that
probably can't win a Super Bowl. And then I go
back and I look at hardballs teams everywhere. Stanford didn't
have great receivers. The Niners had Michael Crabtree, they weren't loaded,
Michigan won, and Natty they didn't even throw a pass
at Penn State. I look at their weapons and think, God,

(28:50):
they need a tight end, they need a running back,
they need another receiver. Do they have enough juice to
win three games? Four games? Do you think?

Speaker 6 (29:01):
You know?

Speaker 10 (29:01):
That's tough.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
It's an interesting point you make, Like they're gonna have
to play Buffalo, They're gonna have to play Baltimore, They're
gonna like I just don't.

Speaker 10 (29:08):
Know that they're there yet. Like I believe in Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 9 (29:10):
I think he's done a great job setting a great foundation.
I've been saying it forever. Herbert is amazing. He's everything
you're looking for in a quarterback. It's one of the
reasons I was so high on Drake may because he
reminds me a lot of Justin Herbert.

Speaker 10 (29:23):
Now, I think it's.

Speaker 9 (29:25):
An interesting point you bring, But to me, I just
think that the class of the AFC there's a separation
line when you talk about Kansas City and you talk
about Baltimore, and you talk about Buffalo. But the reason
I believe that's in that separation is the quarterback. And
so at some point, I don't know if it's this year,
at some point Justin Herbert is gonna have to kind

(29:46):
of like morph into, yes, the Harball way of doing things,
but also kind of getting in that that legit like
on the podium of the upper echelon guys in the AFC.

Speaker 10 (29:57):
Is the top five, Yeah, no doubt. Is he on
the podium.

Speaker 9 (30:00):
I don't think you can put them on the podium
yet with those other guys I mentioned.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
It is interesting, Donald Baker, Mayfield. You look at that
class now, Josh Allen, Lamark, Donald Baker, all of them
having career years. I don't remember two quarterbacks that we
all kind of bailed on, and yet they're both stars.

(30:25):
Is this a fundamental change in the league. Have we
gotten to a point where quarterback is so important for
success in this league? Now due to rule changes that
you have to give guys a second chance. You have
to you have to make sure it works. But I mean,
it's an insane story. In the same year, two guys
we bailed on are both breaking records. How do we
explain it?

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (30:47):
And they both were in Carolina. Who Carolina is?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
What they are?

Speaker 10 (30:51):
They're Carolina?

Speaker 9 (30:52):
Now, you know what it reminds me of one year
back in the day, I three of them, the Saint
Louis Rams of the LA Rams.

Speaker 10 (30:58):
Very early they have Nick.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
Foles, Jared Goff, Case Keenum. Those were the three guys
in the quarterback room. And then later on Case Keenum's
in like the championship game, Nick Foles is in the
Super Bowl, and Jared Goff is Jared Goff. It was
just crazy success. I forget the details, but no, it matters,
and listen. I do also believe strongly that Sam Darnold

(31:20):
will take this into consideration.

Speaker 10 (31:22):
When his free agency comes.

Speaker 9 (31:24):
He's going to remember what it was like to be
in an organization that doesn't get how to be relevant.
In December and January and beyond the Jets, Baker, He'll
remember what it was like in Cleveland. They both remember
what it was like in Carolina and they've tasted it
now with an organization then not only loves them, but
they love it back. And so when you talk about
this free agency and hometown discount and yeah, these guys

(31:46):
are balling out and hey, you can go get paid,
I really believe that they're going to understand in value
how great it is to have a head coach and
a play caller that I'm in sync with, or how
great it is to have the whole locker room respect
me and understand what I went through. And then you
kind of kind of you guys kind of pulled me
out of it. Like I pulled myself out of it,

(32:08):
but you helped me, you know, come out of it.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Sure.

Speaker 9 (32:10):
And so like, I just really think there's something unique
and special and I respect it.

Speaker 10 (32:15):
I think it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
So the one team that I'm fascinated with in a
weird way, I love Sean Payton and bow Nicks. But
if Cincinnati gets in and has to go to Buffalo,
the pressure on Buffalo is insane and the pressure on
Cincinnati is a nothing Burger, They sneak in When you
look at Buffalo, take your career. I feel of all

(32:39):
the teams in this league because Philadelphia has pressure, but
they've been to Super Bowls. I feel like there's enormous
pressure on Sean McDermott. Were you ever on a team
you went into the playoffs and you could feel the pressure.
You knew you had to win those first couple games,
and does does a does a coaching staff change the

(33:01):
way they coach? Did you feel a tightness in your
entire eighteen year career? Does that exist or is that
just a media thing?

Speaker 6 (33:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (33:10):
No, it exists, but I don't think I was fully
aware of it.

Speaker 9 (33:13):
But I remember in five it was five We're playing
a wildcard game against Washington and I didn't know this.
I tried to like, you know, keep my head down
and just like go one to know each week. But
the Seahawks hadn't won a playoff game since, like Chuck
Knox was the coach, and the beat Miami down against
Don Schule.

Speaker 10 (33:30):
It was like this weird thing.

Speaker 9 (33:32):
And I remember pregame the national anthems going on in
all these former Seahawks, like the Steve Largent era guys,
they're all lined up and they're getting teary eyed and
they're gassed up, and they're like, let's like, this is
game day for them. You know, these guys that were
in their fifties, it was game day for them. And
that was when I really felt like, oh wow, this
this loss would be devastating to people outside of the

(33:55):
guys who are wearing a helmet today. And I think
that's probably true for you know that the entire like
community that lives in breaths by the Bill's success right
now in December because they are so invested in this
in this program.

Speaker 10 (34:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (34:10):
But I think one of the things I would say
that I that I really like that the Bills have
done and Josh Allen has done. He's kept it really
focused about football, and I think that's just their key.
But yeah, hey, does anybody want to play the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 10 (34:24):
They get in, no promise you.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
That's the team that decoordinators are afraid of. They're like,
they're afraid of nothing, but they're afraid of I think
that Cincinnati offense.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, I think you're right. Cincinnati in the AFC and
Washington and the NFC. Jaden Daniels is a problem. I mean,
he just there's nothing you could He's like Lamar Jackson,
but but a little better in the pocket than Lamar
was as a rookie.

Speaker 9 (34:47):
Yeah, there's the problem with the problem with the Washington
situation versus the Cincinnati situation is the weapons in Cincinnati
scare that. I don't know if you saw Hard Knocks
and Mike Tomlin talking about Like Mike Tomlin literally said
at one point something to the effect of, like basically,
I'd rather play Baltimore and Lamar than have to deal

(35:10):
with this team with a losing record. By the way,
Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins, like that's the team
that you know. I was in Cincinnati for this game actually,
and it was just like this this moment where like
all of Cincinnati was like Joe's going to do it,
Like just Joe's going to do it. He might do
it by himself, like we're not going to kick a
field goal from inside the tent like where he might
just do it by himself.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
But I think everyone believes that.

Speaker 9 (35:32):
And again, like I was talking about earlier, the respect
of your locker.

Speaker 10 (35:36):
Room is really important.

Speaker 9 (35:37):
But to have the fear of the opposing team when
you have the ball, like that's everything you're looking for
as a quarterback, when they feel like, dang it, like he's.

Speaker 10 (35:46):
Got the ball, we're probably gonna lose right now.

Speaker 9 (35:49):
And Burrow has that even with the year that they've
had record wise.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
No run game, pass protection, sketchy, and he's magic. Matt
Hasselbeck eighteen years. Such a present for during the holidays.
Love having you on Mondays, Buddy, Happy New Year, calling
Happy New Year to you and your amazing family. He
really does have an amazing family.

Speaker 7 (36:08):
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Speaker 1 (36:17):
Twelve years in the NFL three Super Bowl Championship rings.
One of my favorite people, the playmaker. So we got
a lot of things, you know what, Let's just I
want to I want to before we get to the NFL.
I want to address a couple of college issues. So
let's start with the easy one. So I have not
heard coach Prime say I want my son to play

(36:42):
blank blank blank, but once again, Deon Sanders is quoted
on Twitter today saying, listen, it'll be multiple idiots that
will say things that are totally untrue regarding where I
want my son to play in the NFL, can you
clarify this? Is there places he wants his son, both
of them to play or not.

Speaker 11 (37:02):
Well, you know, there's always a place that you prefer.
Everyone has a place that they prefer. But if you're smart,
you're prefer not to say it at this time. That's
just smart to do, right, because you don't want to say, hey,
we prefer to go just throwing out teams to the

(37:23):
Giants and then the Raiders get you. Now you got
to answer all of those questions, so you know why
even set yourself up for that.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Just say, listen, well, I'm ready to play for any
team that draft me.

Speaker 11 (37:36):
You know, the reality is now we can't lie and
hide and well, who's your team growing up?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I'm sure you've said that a million times, so you
might You can't say, well, I don't have a team now.

Speaker 11 (37:46):
Because we'll pull up film and receipts. Just be honest,
Like I like the Cowboys growing up, but I want
to play for whatever team to see the things I
fit the team. That's just that, that's the right thing
to say, and Dean saying the right thing, even though
he's gonna be like that the man in Wizard at.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
The all back to pushing buttons.

Speaker 11 (38:06):
And then if you pulled out the cart, pay no
attention to the man behind the curtain. Why he's pushing buttons.
You know what I'm saying, He's going to be pushing buttons.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Okay, that's always family. Did it. Eli's family. I'm okay
with it, and.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 11 (38:21):
I'm glad you said that because I said on my
YouTube channel, those guys did it, and what I do now,
I'm just gonna say this. Don't mean that people, but
I'm gonna put it out there. I love I love
seeing that that. I love seeing when I watched Beyoncey
and her daughter next to her in that appearance at
halftime on Christmas. I love seeing what Lebron James has

(38:42):
done with Lebronni and I love seeing what Dion Sanders
is doing with Shada and Shiloh. We as African Americans
don't get a chance to see this. You just mentioned
Eli and all of those guys. They always done that,
They've always protected and had people protecting them. I'm glad
to see the African American parents having these presenting these

(39:06):
lanes to their kids now, as like like those other
guys have.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Been happened in America for right.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
But not not not over here on our side.

Speaker 11 (39:16):
So I'm just glad that some people are getting the
power do it now now.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I don't want to be controversial.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Avoid.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
I love what he says that, y'all, Lord oh God.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Just played to get a record and then bailed on
his team that I'm not sure if that sits well
with me.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
First of all. First of all, first of all.

Speaker 11 (39:47):
These things that come out, he can will play just
to get a record.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Stop stop.

Speaker 11 (39:55):
The man played all year long, you know what I mean.
So it's just to get record. He told coach, we're
going to play the first half.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
I want to.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I want to. You know, the first thing I thought
about when I said when when I heard this, I
thought about Alan Iverson.

Speaker 12 (40:10):
I said, practice right, it's the park Tart Bowl. I'm
talking about the park Tart Bowl, the park Tark Bowl,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (40:21):
This This ain't that we ain't talking about the twelve
team playoffs. We ain't talking about if college football playoff.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
We're not even talking about the Citrus Boy, were not
even talking about.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
We're talking about the pop Tark Bowl. The man popped
in the pop Tart Bowl. That's all you can expect
for him. It's the park Tarp Bowl.

Speaker 11 (40:42):
And he's gonna be a top four, four or.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Five picks in the draft.

Speaker 12 (40:47):
And he put it all on the line and pop
in the pop Tark Bowl.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Stop popping, stop popping. Just leave it alone.

Speaker 11 (40:53):
We let it go, cut it out. But we gotta
stop doing this though. We gotta stop. From the moment
plays throw their last pass of running their last play
in college, then oh god, we turn to drop them.
You know, we build them up all through and now
we're looking for the drop. Right here, y'all can stop that.

(41:15):
Cam ain't dropping. And when ain't nobody thinking about that?
We're talking about the part Tarp Bowl, y'allah, the part
Tart Bowl.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Listen, it happened. I remember when Andrew Lucked. The layoff
between your last college game to the draft is so long, people,
I mean, I remember Andrew Luck. They were like, I
don't like his arm.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
The finding things, You're gonna find things?

Speaker 7 (41:33):
Stop?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
What do you mean like I enjoyed his arm? May stop?

Speaker 11 (41:38):
I don't know if he loves the game, stop, let's
stop finding ways to bring people down.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Bring these kids down where they're in.

Speaker 11 (41:45):
Their most precious and most incredible time of the of
their life.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Okay, so the part tart Bowl.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Now, don't y'all come on, man, don't do that to us.
Don't do that to us.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Mike McCarthy had a pretty good December. Cooper Rush pretty good. Obviously,
this team has issues. What do we do with the Cowboys?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Michael?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
What's job one? What is what do you do with
the Cowboys?

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Man?

Speaker 11 (42:12):
And and when I see a seventy nine record, and
and and you see what how that game played out Sunday,
you start saying, well, okay, wow, I know that everybody
felt good about do you Simber and all that stuff.
I still say it was too little, too late, but
but but right right here, right here. Then everybody starts
jumping this for me, this kind is again kind of game.

(42:34):
It writes this December. I don't you can't tell me, oh,
we play good in December. And then and then the
backups to the to the to the team, their backups
playing your backups, and they put up a forty burger
on you, and you look like the way you look,
so I think, yeah, this makes this takes away some
of the things that you have, which McCarthy, yes, I would, Yes,

(42:56):
I would. I just think it's time to go in
another direction, you know. And I hear these late this
late search to maybe going to stay with Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I'm not on that. I'm not on that bandwager.

Speaker 11 (43:09):
I just what I believe is this team needs more discipline.
I don't I'm not saying Mike McCarthy is not a
good coach. Exs and O's coach, you know, but but
I think the team needs more discipline. And sometimes and
it's hard to bring that in when you say, okay,
this guy who doesn't have that firm hand in discipline

(43:31):
is now going to either bring somebody else in to
help them.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
It's easier to be.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
The tough dad and lighten up and either.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Than the Wade Phillips were ice cream for breakfast over.

Speaker 11 (43:43):
You can't come in soft and then try to get
tough rap. You got to come in tough and then
and then lighten up because then the guys will feel
like they've earned some respect and earn you lighting lighting them.
But now if you're loosening up a little bit. But
if you come in loose, and and and and I
don't want to say soft, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Players, coch players y try to.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Get firm, you just you just get flat.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Okay, I want you to go back to your cowboy days.
The Chargers they're gonna have a buye. Would you play
starters or not? Did you want to take a week
Chargers chief? No, I'm talking of Chiefs. So the Chiefs
bad are going into the playoffs. Belichick was always a
let's play the guys. Tony Duneye was like, you know,

(44:31):
if I can give an old safety time off, where
do you land on this?

Speaker 3 (44:35):
And Jimmy was always let's play the guys.

Speaker 11 (44:37):
And Jimmy would always say we were playing the guys
because Jimmy didn't want to lose the week of practice.
See see when you co in did this week? Ay,
now everybody's talking about we're gonna sit out, Chiefs got
this game, a bye next week after that game, I
mean you're talking about forever.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
That's for Upbird, for.

Speaker 11 (45:01):
All of those teams you just mentioned, for those Dallas
Cowboys team because we played the timing offense. Troy hit
that third step, fifth step, let that ball go for
For all the New England teams, all of that timing
stuff that they do not and I'm sorry to tell
everybody out there, but they want to.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Infect Kanadas's City chief. There's not a timing offense.

Speaker 11 (45:23):
This is an offense that is built between Travis Kelcey
and Patrick Mahomes and there is no timing on it.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
That's why it's been impossible to stop because you can't
figure out the timing. When he's supposed to do yick,
he does jack. When he's supposed to do.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Yan, he does yang.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
That's what Travis Kelsey is timing to.

Speaker 11 (45:43):
It's it's We're going to find where you are not
and I'm going to go to that spot.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
And look and they win like that. Look at their
wide receiver unit. They have different guys every week every.

Speaker 11 (45:54):
Week, and and now even though they had every different
guys every week, they still they barely want those games.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
I want people will getting He saying, man, should we
keep kanas City up there?

Speaker 11 (46:05):
Because they're barely winning these games?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Do you know all of these games come down to this.

Speaker 11 (46:12):
I had Minnesota over Green Bay yesterday right went in
it was minus one, you know, And I'm okay, I
got Minnesota minus one, and I'm watching the game.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
We have seventeen in I'm like it, it's over. It's over,
and we go up twenty seven seventeen. It's over. Next
thing you know, it's twenty five twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I'm sweating like a monk.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I got it. All comes down to this. Every one
of them comes down to this. If you can win.

Speaker 11 (46:35):
Late, you can win great in this league because they
all come down well.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
And all the teams that make the playoffs, almost all
of them have great quarterbacks, meaning you go into a
little bit of a prevent defense, you soften cup a rash.
They're just it's a round. They're just gonna go eight
yards twelve eighteen. Jordan Love just boom boom boom.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Okay, right, Jaydon Daniels, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Okay, finally set up for this. So I'm I am
understand players. If I was a coach and a player
could get a record, I would try to do it.
If it's super close, I'm just gonna call plays to
win the game. But if it's like Cowboys getting thumped,
I want Saquon Barkley to get a record. I get it.
Players have bonuses. But now all of a sudden sake,
so I got Jalen Hurts beat up Saquon Barkley. I

(47:19):
think running backs different. I wouldn't play him this week. Now, now,
left tackle, Mike linebacker, wide receiver, do you play Barkley
if you don't have to this week?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
You know? And this this is a tough decision.

Speaker 11 (47:34):
This tough decision because let's be real here, Well, a
running back position is in the league on the whole.
I'm sure wants to go and try to help that
whole position, not just him. By getting this record, it
kind of reintroduced the year of the running back and
we can call this the year of the running backers.

(47:56):
Two running backs that moved and made major differences and
both off instance. So yes, this is a forty year record.
What I love most, What I love most, and I
gotta say, this is how coach Syrianni handle it. He say, hey,
we're going to do what the team wants to do.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Let me tell you why.

Speaker 11 (48:14):
That's very important because he's saying, I'm not breaking the
psyche or what they want, what they want to accomplish
in that locker room. They went in that game yesterday
the game Sunday saying we're going to get you over
two thousand against the durned dollars Cowboys. So so so
they set their mind and win and got it done.
If they're setting their mind to give him the record,

(48:34):
I want to be right there with them because that
means every time after we set our mind to get
him the record, we're gonna set our minds on the
super Bowl. I want them to keep running right on
the setting of their minds. You see what I mean.
I'm gonna stay with that. That's why that's very important.
Now all intents you would want to say, hey man,
this man is too important to lose, but it's as
important to lose that mentality that team's mentality is. It

(48:58):
is an injury. So I love that he said I'm
going to do what the team wants to do. Even
though Jimmy A. Bill would have never said that, and
we're gonna do what I want to do. They would
have seen it. But I loved it. He says that
it just stay in time, and I hope I do.
Hope he gets it.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah. I think things that. I think things have changed.
I think players college players now get paid. I saw
I saw a story, somebody said that every SEC.

Speaker 11 (49:25):
Sequon is a guy you if anybody's going to get it,
that's the guy you.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Want to get.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Think about this, though the world's changed, every SEC quarterback
makes more than brock pretty in nil money. It's the player,
right right, So listen, if he wants a record, that
is you got to get him. If a guy can
get the record, get him the record.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Get it, especially a record that's stood for forty years.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
And also a guy that's a great guy, right, a
great And Barkley is one of the least selfish guys
in the league. He's never been about records, right.

Speaker 11 (49:54):
And and and you know he would be okay, yes
you didn't, if you didn't change it. And I thought
that I knew they went in and said we're gonna
get this two thousand against the Dallas Cowboys. And I'm
gonna say this now, if if that would have been
if that was one of those games like last year
where that game came down to between Dallas and Philadelphia
for the NFC East and Barkley went over two thousand,

(50:16):
that would have pushed him right on in front for
the m v P. Because you know, because of the eyes,
it's kind of like the Heisman Trophy. Now as you
get down towards the end, it's who who did I
see play great late?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yes, I'm cars Carson.

Speaker 11 (50:31):
Yep, yep that year in Cincinnati, And that's exactly how
these things so. So yeah, that would have been a
meaningful game. I think Sacon could have snatched the m
v P yesterday.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
And can we leave you with this. It was the
pop tart Bowl. Chill out, folks, the pop tart bowl.
The man popped in and the pop tart bowl. And
now you want to mess with them, pop in with
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Just pop out of here with the

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Pop tark back in l after this pop Tart Bowl,
I