December 31, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin weighs in on Monday Night Football's biggest storylines - but most of all he wouldn't want to pay 49ers quarterback Brock Purdy $50 million. Colin also defends the Detroit Lions for not resting their starters.
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Our last
show of twenty twenty four. As we embark on a
new year, New Year's resolutions.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I have one a year.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I keep it to myself. It's usually a personal thing.
I don't know if I can improve, So I'm not
sure what I have this year. Jamak anything out there
you're gonna blurt out about getting.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Better, Well, I don't need to get better since I'm
great already. Yeah, yeah, started today playing basketball this morning.
I may go to Vegas tonight. Just got an invite
from some friends. Listen, let's get the new year started
right right.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Start the night in Vegas. Start the year in Vegas.
So I want to start. I'll get to the Detroit Lions.
I'll get to them in about five ten minutes. I want
to talk about Brock Purdy because there's this feeling that now,
even though he has a year left on his rookie deal,
that you have to pay Brock Purty. Now, oh, you
got to get a discount now on this guy. And
I was about two weeks ago. I'm watching all these
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drone videos on TikTok, all these guys in New Jersey,
and it's clear that men struggle telling the difference between
drones and small planes and aliens. It's also clear men
have a problem deciphering the difference from like Joe Burrow,
who gets whatever he wants with a bad roster, and
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Brock Purty, who's really good in the first half with
one of the great play designers in NFL history, Kyle Shanahan.
I always get left with a feeling it's a lot
of empty calories and empty yards. It's one thing if
you're Borrow and your O linees bad and we don't
love your coach and you're always playing from behind. Brock
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Purty has, after Andy Reid and maybe Sean Payton, the
best play designer forget play color, best play designer since
you know, maybe his dad Mike Shanahan. So and you
have the best tight end arguably in football, and two
good receivers and you're at home and the Lions are
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missing eight defensive starters. But this league is about second halfs.
The first half is on script. Yes, he's great off
an on script, but when bo Nicks and Justin Herbert met,
like a week ago, remember that game about ten days ago,
fourteen days ago, bo Nicks was really good on script
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in the first half. Justin Herbert was great offscript. Because
Justin Herbert's a lot better right now than bo Nicks.
And in the second half this year, the more important half.
Brock Purty has eight touchdowns and ten picks and twelve
total giveaways. He's bad and trailing. In the second half,
he's worse. He has a passer rating below seventy five.
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You know, in the non scripted half, with one of
the great play designers of my life. You want to
know it's not random, by the way, you want to
know the top five quarterbacks right now second half passer rating,
Oh what a shock. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson,
Jared Goff and number one pick Baker Mayfield. More talented guys.
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There's a connection between the two. Just a big majority
for all these people saying I have to pay brock
Purty year early, if at all. A big chunk of
his yards are after the catch, because Kittle is great
after the catch and deebo is great after the catch.
And the other part is how open everybody is. I
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swear to God, has George Kittle ever been covered on
any catch in the last month. He's wide open. So
to me, it's always always empty calories with brock Purty.
You got to watch the games in the second half.
In a tight game, two ugly picks through behind Juwan
Jennings on a big third down. Yes, they miss field
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goals of fifty one and fifty eight yards. Why did
they have to kick field goals of fifty one and
fifty eight yards because he missed to Juwan Jennings or
or he doesn't quite have the athletic ability that his
backup Josh Dobbs had to run into the end zone.
I mean, every time he throws the ball over the middle,
you're holding your breath. You're not with Mahomes or Herbert.
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I don't fel that way with Josh Allen. I do
with Brock Purdy. I don't feel that way with Jared Goff.
So this idea that he's a fifty million dollar quarterback.
Jimmy Garoppolo won sixty nine percent of his games in
San Francisco, and people, Niner fans, couldn't get him out
of town fast enough. Maybe they were jealous because he
was so handsome. He won sixty nine percent of his games,
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he got to Super Bowls. They couldn't get him out
of town fast enough. They blamed him for losing the
Mahomes in the Super Bowl because he missed one deep route.
Perty's went in sixty four percent of his games.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It seems to me.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And by the way, he's also hurt again, and he's
been hurt multiple times because he's a smaller athlete. I
thought it was interesting when Josh Dobbs came in, who's
just a remarkable kid. I think he was like a
chemical engineer at Tennessee. You can give him a playbook,
he can memorize it in fifteen minutes. But he ran
for a touchdown because he's a super athletic kid. I
don't think Brock Purty could have run for a touchdown.
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Dobb's a faster, more elegant athlete. So the idea that
I've got a pay him fifty million and pay him early.
There is a difference. I'm sorry, guys, but there is
a difference between aliens and a small plane flying over
your house or maybe your neighbor's drone. And there's a
difference between guys who are literally tractors, you know, like
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they're pulling a franchise to wins, and guys that are trailers.
They're mostly being pulled. Second half game on the line,
playing with a lead to really ugly picks when he
had to throw it over the middle. And again here
here's Kyle Shannan after on his injury.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I know everyone when they hear about Brock's elbow and stuff,
just like me, you think of elbow injury from a
couple of years ago, but you know, just talking to doctors,
you just got hit in the right spot, and when
you get hit there, you're just your nerves go and
you can't feel much, but hopefully it'll be all right.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Then let's sa again.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm going to get to the Detroit Lions after the
break hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Top of the hour, Nick right, Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So let's talk about this whole thing about what you
pay a quarterback, because we've seen with Dak. If you
pay A plus money to a B to a B
plus quarterback, you can't have a legitimate roster. I mean,
look at the Cowboys compared to the Eagles. How many
guys would even start for the Cowboys on the Eagles, right,
Because you've been paying Dak overpaying him for years and
years and years, and so this stuff, this is a
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big topic. This stuff's really important. You can overpay a
wide receiver, you know, you pay him twenty, he's worth fifteen.
You start overpaying a quarterback fifty eight and he's worth
thirty three. One of the reasons Tampa's so good is
because they're getting a deal on Baker Mayfield. They're paying
him thirty three million. I take Baker over Brock thirty
in a second, thirty three months. They're getting a deal
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it's okay for teams to occasionally get deals on quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Two.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Not everybody has to be overpaid. But a team that
is underpaid Tampa with Baker, they've got a stacked roster.
They got good dudes everywhere, d line wide receiver, two
to good running backs. Dallas overpays their quarterback and they're stuck.
So to me, there are three groups, three clubs for
quarterbacks in terms of fifty million dollars plus. The first
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club is I'm gonna pay you what I gotta pay you.
Mahomes Lamar, Josh Allen, Herbert, Stafford Burrough, GoF Love, You're great.
I think you can get to a super Bowl. I'm
gonna pay you what I'm gonna pay you, and I
think a lot of your success is based on you
and you being great. Then there's the fifty million dollar club.
We can negotiate. I'm not offended if you ask for it,
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but I'm gonna push back a little. Jalen Hurt, Sam Darnold, Baker,
and Jayden Daniels. Jayden now want a little more time
Baker and Sam. Let's be honest, it's the perfect season.
Jalen Hurts feels very circumstantial, best o line, unbelievable receivers.
You know MVP when he had Shane Stiket.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
These guys can ask for fifty million. I'm not offended. Negotiate.
And then there's the third club, which is if you
ask for it, I'm hanging up the phone. Brock Purtty's
in that one. Okay, it's nothing personal, but we're not
getting to fifty and we're getting to fifty a year early.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
What's the market? Go to the market. So you know,
it's like negotiating for a new car.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You can tell me that Civic is worth one hundred grand,
Well we got we got rustproofing, a sun roof, and
the salesman can tell me, how about the sports package? Okay,
I'll give you fifty one thousand, not one hundred thousand.
I'm walking out of the dealership if you think that
Civic is worth one hundred thousand dollars and it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Nobody's picking on brock Purty. That's another thing.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh, this is there when you get to a quarterback
because they're paid so much. Now, I mean like Mahomes
signed a four hundred and fifty million dollar deal. You
can make mistakes, overpaying a little bit for a Mike linebacker,
or overpaying for you know, a tight end a little
you're paying him thirteen, he's probably worth eight. You start
overpaying a quarterback, you get to the fifth sixty million
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dollar club, not interested that it got you. There's only
one thing that guarantees you can't win Super Bowls. Only
one thing. Paying a b quarterback a plus money. Even
Tom Brad Drew Brees in his prime took big money
for a couple of years. Sean Payton and Drew Brees
had two back to back mediocre years, restructured his deal,
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better deal. They end up in a Super Bowl. Tom
Brady was never the highest paid quarterback. Kirk Cousins was,
and Kirk Cousins, because of that, didn't have the surrounding elements.
So yeah, I'm just I keep watching this thing, and
I'm gonna keep going back. I feel with Brock Purty
and certain quarterbacks, there's a lot of ifs ands and bututs.
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If this is healthy, if I have Christian, if I
have a great play designer, if it's not wet, if
I lead, if it's the first half, I can't pay
that kind of money.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I can't just won't do it. So and I'm not.
I'm not like old guy yelling at clowns.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Here.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I'll pay it. There's like eight guys in the in
the world. I'll pay whatever I gotta pay you. Then
there's another half a dozen guys are close to it
where we can negotiate.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But paying them fifty large and having to pay them early,
I'm not doing it. J MC, I know he's your guy.
I know you worship at the altar of the Broxter.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Boy after the positive Monday you had coming off the
top rope on brock Purty to start New Year's Eve, Colin,
come on, man.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Hey, the rest of the show is flowers, rainbows, just
make it sure, and birds chirping. But I have to
address that. It's a serious topic. We all watch the NFL.
It's got the highest ratings by a mile, and it's
all centered around one position. But it's not just centered
around the position. It's centered around what you pay the position.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
He had two bad throws last night on our otherwise
extraordinary night. No Christian McCaffrey, no Brandon au.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Allians, had no eight defensive starters.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I just, yeah, I would move off some of those
defensive starters who can't plug a hole to save their life.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Jamir Gibbs running wild. How about listen?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I had to give Dan Campbell some credit. Okay, everybody
wanted to sit his guys, the game means nothing. He
plays everybody are people crazy?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The game means nothing.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
First of all, this is the Detroit I'm gonna get
into this. The idea that game didn't mean anything for Detroit.
I completely push back on that. I'll talk about that
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Speaker 1 (13:22):
So there was this sense last night that, you know,
San Francisco they got nothing to play for, but either
does Detroit. And my takeaway is no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. Detroit had all sorts of motivation last night.
They were the only undefeated team on the road all year.
They could go eight to zero on the road. They're
the Detroit Lions, for God's sakes, Why would they ever
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mail one in? And the other thing is they play
Minnesota next week. That's red hot. Why would you want
to be playing coming off a loss. It was Monday
Night football, big stage. Your secondary's got guys who are
backups to backups. There was wide open forty nine ers
the entire game. Those guys need reps. They looked lost
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on some of their coverages. So I mean this idea
that they didn't have anything to play for. I thought
last night's win was a huge win for Detroit, So
I mean, you gotta be honest about Detroit too. They
have been kind of the team everybody's America is pulling
for right and they've been the most talked about team
arguably in the league this year because of Dan Campbell,
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the story, the culture. They're gonna lose both their coordinators,
Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn rock Stars.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
This could be the year.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Go ask Philadelphia Nick Seriani with that roster what happens
when you hire the wrong coordinators? You almost never get
brilliant coordinators, both of them. I mean, look at San Francisco.
Since they've lost to Miko Ryans. Defense isn't the same
and they've hired guys with nice resumes, but Demiko was
better than both. Five percent of this country is great
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at what they do. Doctors pilots, defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators,
truly great. How many great quarterbacks we have six five
in thirty two teams, each one's got two maybe some
have three five, And how many great coaches five? So
they're going to lose their coordinators, and if they lose
to Minnesota next week, who, by the way, is red hot.
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So again I love them coming from behind and winning
a game on the road, growing confidence, especially with backups
playing on defense that need the reps.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If they lose to Minnesota, this team.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
That we've talked about all year and was the best
team in football in September and October and early November,
they could go to Tampa for a playoff game if
they lose next weekend Tampa red hot Baker Mayfield and
Mike Evans, who that Lion secondary can't cover, or the
healthiest team in the league, the Rams, who, by the way,
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almost beat the Lions early in the year. I think
it was like Week one, and at that time, Detroit's
defense had all its starters. Now it's got about four
of them, five of them. So the idea that it
didn't mean much last night, that secondary is going to
face Justin Jefferson and either Mike Evans or Pokin Nakua.
They needed reps. Ricky Pearsall's not in that class and
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he was open a lot. George Kittle was open a lot.
You needed to play your dudes. You need to win
that football game. Windows close very quickly. In the NFL,
Niners window was open for about four years. Look at
their roster. You say, got Christian McCaffrey. That offense is
not the same offense. You take out Bosa from the
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defensive line, that's not the same defense.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Here's Dan Campbell.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
After I thought about it leading up to the game.
I thought about it last night, I told the staff,
but I ended up settling on the right thing to
do was play these guys, and because we owed it
to the team and it's not fair to ask guys
to play that haven't been prepared play, you know. So
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So yeah, that was tough, and I think the biggest
thing is there were things we wanted to do better
than we did last week, and we did.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, I'm come from behind Monday night win against the
San Francisco forty nine ers and Kyle Shanahan just ask yourself,
as a Lions fan, weren't you angry at half and
weren't you really happy after the game? So if it
meant that to you as a fan, what do you
think it meant to the players? You you were banging
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your head against the wall at your house or condo
or apartment in the first half because the game meant
something to you, even though yeah, I mean it didn't
mean anything. And yet in the second half, how happy
were you? Well, what if you're a coach or a player,
Motivation matters, momentum, inertia matters. I thought it was a
great win for Detroit. J Mack with the news, No,
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Speaker 6 (17:54):
On the news.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
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Speaker 6 (17:58):
Let's continue with the Detroit Lions. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They had their fifth game with at least forty points
in no turnovers, which is the most in NFL history.
We're talking like better than the Greatest Show on Turf
and stuff like that. Colin Lions are the first team
in NFL history to have two running backs and two
wide receivers game one thousand scrimmage yards.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
We're talking historic stuff here from the Lions.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean Ben Johnson calling up hooking ladder third and
twelve plays it resulting touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean Jamison Williams on. They rarely use Williams, the
fastest receiver in the NFL. He's almost a gadget player
for them. He would be a primary for every other team.
But they have armor on Saint Brown and Laporta and
running backs. They're getting Montgomery back the running back fully. Yeah, yeah,
I think that because the defense has been weakened, the
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run game has to be empowered. Because what you want
to do if you're Detroit, you want to shrink games.
Now your defense is a liability. It's the same with Baltimore.
I don't trust their defense. I don't trust So what
happens if you can eat the clock, shorten the game,
run the ball. You give a team nine possessions not eleven.
And when you get to the playoffs, I don't want
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to give Matt Stafford and Baker Mayfield and Jalen Hurts
extra possessions.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
The problem is their offense is so proficient. They go
down the field and score in like three minutes. I mean, Colin, listen,
you know. Comparison is the thief thief of joy they
like to say, But I'm just being an honest question.
Watching this Juggernaut all season, this Detroit Lions offense or
any offense Patrick Mahomes has had with the Chiefs, which.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Is better.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Because the numbers in term clearly Detroit. Yes, better than
any offense Mahomes has ever had.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well, Yes, this offense has more talent than any offense
Patrick Mahomes has had absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Any offense that Lamar Jackson's ever had or Josh Allen
has ever had.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I mean we're talking this is like are we talking personnel,
No question, We're talking everything, play calling, personnel, and Jared
Goff Nobody thinks.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
He's like a top five with this have omor On
Saint Brown and Puka Nakua are the best receivers not
taken in the first couple of rounds in the last decade. Arguably,
I mean literally, Pookah is a star and amor On
Saint Brown, and I'm a Trojan fan. I never thought
he would be this as a pro. They have two
starting backs, and they have two backs who are not
only starters, but like high end starters. They have an
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elite tight end, the best right tackle in football, maybe
the best or second best, third best center in football.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
This is an all star team. This is a Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And now defensively all sorts of issues this year, but
offensively it's an all time personnel offense.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And he doesn't Assuming they beat the Vikings, they won't
have to go outdoors for any playoff games, right, They'll
be hosting everything at home.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
I maybe we ruled them out of the Super Bowl
mix too early.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I don't know now now that you said the defense
is bad, the Niners average like seven point nine yards,
will play rock perty for just fit up and down
the field.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
The Niners were induced into a couple of big mistakes.
So you can say what you want about the Lions,
but they did make two big interceptions.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Kicker missed two field goals and two extra points.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Out that the kickers in this draft pick of John
Lynch and early that was like Belichickian almost do you
like the blast Belichick. Next story, let's go to Lamar Jackson.
He's having I don't know if it's quietly a great year.
Everybody's given the MVP to Josh Allen. Sam Donald's right
there and talking about Sam Donald quarterback. He is the
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only QB to finish with fourteen games with a one
hundred passer rating, the first since Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty,
and wouldn't you know it, Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty
won the MVP.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
So there's a small case for Donald. Is the MVP.
Lamar has a small case. I don't know. I don't
know what to do with Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
These numbers are staggering.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Calm, I know what to do with him. Franchise tage,
That's what you do with him. But you're gonna want
to walk out the door again. The Vikings have been
a very, very good team for a long time most
of my life. I go back to the eighties when
it was like Tarkenton and they were getting to Super
Bowls and losing with Bud Grant. But they don't have
a ring. Don't mess around, you don't let great walk
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out the door. Is Sam Donald as good as this
year's numbers. Probably not, But he was never as bad
as his numbers in Caroline and the Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So I you know.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I mean when he was bombing, I kept saying I
don't I used to say this all the time. Go
watch a three minute YouTube clip of Sam Darnald. You'd
think he's a poor man's Josh Allen. There's talent there.
He's probably not as good as his numbers this year
because Justin Jefferson isn't traveling with him, and neither is
Kevin O'Connell. Contextualize it, My thing is, I wouldn't give
Donald the MVP, but the fact that he wasn't being
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mentioned until now is kind of ridiculous. The numbers tell
you he's absolutely in the top two or three class.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
The problem is the last one is the eye test. Okay,
we can look at these numbers all day. Josh allenold
has the most games with a one hundred passer rating.
He and Lamar are tied with thirteen. Passer rating is
one metric, but the eye test says pretty cool to me?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Is Josh Allen?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I agree?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And also Josh Allen's never won an MVP as he yeah,
never had That's where.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
It comes like that. That's a little bit of the NBA. Hey,
Joel Embid's never won an MVB. Let's give it to
a beat.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well no, but but at Buffalo. Since Josh Allen entered
the NFL, I think Buffalo has the number one offense.
Isn't it kind of time? I mean, seriously think about that.
And he never had a run game to rely on
until James Cook. I mean, and he didn't really have
great tight end play until Kim Caid, and he only
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briefly had Steffan Diggs. So it like when Russell Wilson
wasn't winning MVPs or getting votes, it was like, yeah,
but it's there's a lot there behind him. Josh Allen
has carried this offense for years. The fact that he
hasn't won is a little bit of an indictment on
the voters.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
And so to your point on the open market, you
think if the Vikings say Sam, thank you for your service,
we're gonna he'll have.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
An incredibly healthy market.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Give me the top two teams that are bidding on
Sam Raiders.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Raiders are winning games.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
They don't have a top one or two pick, and
they're not Tom Tolesco is not giving away the farm
for these quarterbacks. These are not move up and give
away seven picks for these quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
The Raiders are coming in with a Baker Mayfield offer.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I think they'll offer Baker and Sam.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
But that type money that Baker Mayfield got from.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Them, you can't do that. Bill.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Sam's gonna get into bigger numbers. I have been told
that by an executive in the league that Sam has
moved into a different category over the last three or
four weeks.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
And you feel okay about that.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, I'm not hanging the phone up. We're going to
have to negotiate. I may not get the number a
pushover as.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
A negotiator, I hear, I don't know the final story. Now,
this is really spicy colling. I never like Bill Belichick
as a Jets fan, rooted against him for years. I'm
starting to love this guy. Listen to what Bill Belichick
says about the current structure in NFL front offices.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
You look back at great coaches like Tom Landry probably
never would out a chance to do what he did
in today's environment. There's a lot of cooks in the kitchen,
you know, between the general manager of personnel, directors, head coaches, owners, owners,
families and so forth.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Sometimes from the.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
Outside it's a little blurry as to who's really making
the decision, whether owner has deferred it to somebody, to
whether he's making it him or herself, or you know,
whether it's a committee or how all that works.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Okay, so okay, before we go to who's he talking about,
I'm just wondering is any of this at all, a
veiled shot at the Patriots and what happened at the end,
and who's being blamed for almost all the ills of
New areas.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So let me say this, although I don't disagree with
his premise, I would argue New England needed more cooks
in the kitchen. And that's why the roster is so
damn awful, because Bill wouldn't let anybody else have real
decision making. Go look at their last seven drafts and
don't tell me Nick Cassio didn't know what he was
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doing because the guy went to Houston. Nick Cassari went
to Houston, and his first two drafts have been very strong.
So I think Bill's premise is right. But the truth is,
and I understand the parcels. I have to make the dinner.
I want to select some food. But Parcells, like Jimmy
Johnson and Sean Payton, is excellent with personnel. Bill Parcells
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was excellent with personnel. Sean Payton's good McVeigh has an
opinion is very good. I don't think Kyle Shanahan's as good.
I think Shanahan's a schemer and a play designer. I
don't think he's the great culture guy in the personnel
guy Jimmy Johnson's legendary for personnel knowledge. Belichick's not good
at it. Everybody's got a hole in life. That's not
Bill's thing, and he took it over. So I would
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argue Bill needed a cook in the kitchen on personnel,
not coaching. And also Robert Kraft one time in Bill's
entire rain, said hey, you're not trading Tom move garoppolo.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm sorry. It seems like he was right one that
we know about.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I think part of this back to last year's Atlanta
Falcons disaster, would the owner, like Belichick and the front
office kind of got together and yeah, was like no,
And I think some of this is I would not
be surprised if behind the scenes colin Chicago Bears kicked
the tires on Belichick and he found out that that situation,
there's a mess owners families.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
He said that in the quote, I don't only think
that's the Bears.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
By the way, you know York Jets as well. You
knew who's having a great year this year, the Chargers.
A couple of the Charger kids work in the front office.
Harball likes and gets along.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
With them well, here's the other thing.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
You don't read stories about them getting in the locker
room back to the game.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
No, they do a good job at that.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Other teams, I'm not against your kids working in the
front office as long as they know the boundaries up.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
They didn't play, they didn't coach.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I don't know if I if I owned an NFL
team and my son wanted to do something in the
front office, I'd be like, yeah, you're not a GM
you're not going to.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Be a coach.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
You're not going to talk about schemes. But if you
can be a part something to the table, bring something
to the table.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
And in these days, it's not that hard to bring
something to the table with all the stats set that's
out there available, some new new fangled stats if you will,
there's a lot. I mean, people are front offices are
hiring guys from Pro Football Focus and some of these
statistical websites. It's a new regime now in the NFL.
It's not not the old school football guys still dominated.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You know, I was thinking about this, so Tom Brady
at forty five years old, he retired. He could have played.
He was still one of the top six or seven
quarterbacks in the league. And you know, you people retire
for different reasons, right could be a family thing, could
be a time thing, could be a don't you don't
want to put in the work at practice thing you
love the games. So Lebron James was basically he just
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turned forty on Monday. Happy birthday to Lebron James, who's
been the best overall player in my life watching pro basketball.
Michael Jordan was a different player, a different mindset. Michael.
Maybe in a one game set, I'd take Michael.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But I think Lebron's making Michael Jordan's career look like
a pit stop. It's lasted so long, But here was
Lebron on turning forty, on his playing future.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
It's kind of laughable really to know where I am,
to see where I am still playing a game at
a high level, still being such a young man but
old and in this scheme of how many years I
got in miss profession. But as you know, just thinking
back to when I came into the league, obviously that's
like the first thing I thought about that you came
in as an eighteen year old kid, and now you've
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seen here the forty year old, you know, twenty three
year old vet, you know with a with a twenty
year old and NBA as.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, he's aged incredibly well. You know, it's very funny
because the Internet is very loud and usually often very wrong.
Some will lead you to believe Lebron's not a popular
player once again. The most watched game in the NBA
this year Lebron James and Steph Curry. Oh, by the way,
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the most viewed NBA player on social clips. We talked
about it last week. Lebron James the number two selling
jersey in the NBA last year with all these young stars,
Lebron James, the Lakers road attendance for a pretty mediocre
team is number two, and no, Steph's team isn't number one.
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Lebron wasn't in the NBA Cup this year. The ratings
absolutely tanked. So like Tom Brady, he's still a top
ten player, no question, and he could play for years.
I mean, Lebron right now is averaging twenty four to
eight to nine, and if he's stuck around for four
or five more seasons, I think he'd still be averaging
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twenty because his game age as well, because he's a
brilliant passer, an excellent ball handler, and has an basketball AQ.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That is through the roof.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
He's aged well, but he is the greatest enduring basketball
player of my life. But it's always interesting to me.
There's so much pushback on Lebron because the Internet's loud
and wrong, his jersey, the ratings, the NBA Cup without him. Yes,
he can be polarizing because he took a stand on politics,
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and I do admit I don't watch sports for escapism.
I watch it because it's entertainment. I prefer sports over movies,
So I've never watched sports for escapism. I do understand
that many of you do, and you don't like any
politics with your basketball, But I got news for you.
Whether it's the Olympics, whether it's the NBA. We've seen
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it in the NFL. Politics seeps into everything. You have
an opinion in your office on politics. Lebron briefly did
as well, so be it. But the idea that he's
not popular and couldn't be great for mostly as long
as he wanted to is just utter nonsense.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You know, the chosen one the King. It can be
off putting.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Whatever the guy's still giving you, like twenty five, eight
to nine, a night number two in row to ten.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
A lot of stuff today.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
So this is for I mentioned something last week on
the Chicago Bears Job and it is now gaining steam.
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Speaker 5 (32:19):
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Speaker 1 (32:33):
Fox Urban Meyer Last hour are Big Bets Next hour,
top of the hour The Herd Hierarchy. This is very interesting.
Mike Sando, very respected writer. We bring him on the
show once twice a year from the Athletic. So I
had mentioned this last week in one of my commentaries.
(32:55):
He's doubling down on it, he said, why not Pete
Carroll in Chicago, let me read this, he said. Over
the course, he studied the seventeen quarterback team relationships spanning
at least a decade since Peyton Manning entered the league,
and here's what he found. You don't need an offensive
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play calling head coach for your quarterback to win. There
are no magic schemes. And that brings us to Carol
and Jim Harbaugh. Both their masters at in instilling confidence
in their quarterbacks. Both create run games to take pressure
off quarterbacks. So Drew Bledsoe with the Patriots. He had
his career best passer rating in nineteen ninety seven and
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other top stats in ninety eight ninety nine. Pete Carroll
was his coach. Young Russell Wilson Seahawks twenty twelve to
twenty one. He entered as a third round pick, developed
a run game, became a superstar. Geno Smith has gotten
worse since Pete Carroll left. Pete Carroll gave him a
run game. What's happened to Gino in the last year?
(33:58):
He'd bad this year? So with young quarterbacks, Gino, I
guess doesn't classify as young Pete Carroll, And this is
what I argued last week. He has a history of
developing strong run games and defenses and kind of detailed
culture which are really beneficial to young quarterbacks. Drew Bledsoe
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in New England, Russell Wilson in Seattle, and Caleb Williams.
And there's nothing against Ben Johnson. He's very smart. But
I gotta be honest. When you watched Detroit last night,
they got like seven Pro Bowl level players. They got
multiple Hall of Fame level guys, the best running back room,
excellent tight end, two great receivers, the best offensive line
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in football. There's a lot of coordinators that would look
really really good with Detroit's personnel. And let's be fair
about this, they're stacked. I mean, it's amazing. They're paying
golf good money and they're still stacked because they've drafted
so well. They've hit on virtually all of their offensive
draft picks. They've missed on a couple defensive picks. They
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have nailed offensive picks and then made smart moves. So
you know, I'm a big believer. If you go back
and look at culture guys like Harbaugh's a culture guy.
Name Tomlin's a culture guy. Pete Carroll's a culture guy.
Culture guys may not win a trophy, but they rarely bomb.
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Scheme guys bomb all the time. And I'll give you
an example, even really good scheme guys, Kyle Shanahan, J
Mack Listen to this. Kyle Shanahan is considered a top
scheme guy in San Francisco. Four losing seasons. McVeigh is
considered a culture guy. One losing season, even his rebuild
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season he got to the playoffs. Culture guys, motivational guys,
Dan Campbell, Vrable, Pete Carroll mcveay. They don't want a trophy.
McVay finally did shouldn't say finally. He's still young. But
scheme guys whiff all the time if they don't have
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the right personnel. So basically what happens is a culture
guy squeezes the juice out of every player. A scheme
guy doesn't. A scheme guy can squeeze the juice out
of his particular scheme. He's a defensive coordinator, the edge
rusher the corners will have. Rex Ryan was great at
squeezing juice out of the defensive side, but he hurt
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the offensive side. Right, So you know, this idea h's
magic potion, this elixir with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Go look at Detroit's personnel.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Good God, they got all stars, Pro bowlers everywhere a
lot of people would look good with their personnel. So
on our show yesterday, we brought in Michael Irvin, who
is Owa's enlightening, interesting and entertaining. So I would bring
back Mike McCarthy. I think you can make an argument.
(37:00):
Unless I could get Rabel, I'd probably bring back Mike McCarthy.
But Michael Irvin wanted no part of bringing back Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
I just think it's time to go in another direction,
you know. And I hear these late this late search
to maybe going to stay with Mike McCarthy. I'm not
on that bandwager. I just what I believe is this
team needs more discipline. I don't I'm not saying Mike
McCarthy is not a good coach. Ex's and O's coach,
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you know, But but I think the team needs more discipline.
And sometimes and it's hard to bring that in when
you say, okay, this guy who doesn't have that firm
hand in discipline is now going to either bring somebody
else in to help them with discipline, and that doesn't work.
You can't come in soft and then try to get tough.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
It's a rap.
Speaker 11 (37:51):
You gotta come in tough and then and then lighten up,
because then the guys will feel like they've earned some
respect and earn you lightening like that.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I agree with, but I don't think Mike McCarthy. Now,
he may not be the solution, but I don't think
he's the problem. Here's what i'd say is your problem.
You know how good the running back room is for
Philadelphia and Detroit and Baltimore. The Cowboys have the worst
running back room in the league. That's not on Mike McCarthy.
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Dak's contract is not on Mike McCarthy. The NFC, frankly,
has just gotten better over the last two years. The
defense got worse when Dan Quinn left. The O line
ranked twenty fifth rebuild. They've missed on a couple of picks,
and they've been chased the number two wide receiver in
Dallas seemingly forever. So I'll give you an example. We
can blame Mike McCarthy, but let's say I think we
would all agree on this.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
You degreed.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I agree, Philadelphia and Detroit have the best most talented
offensive rosters in the NFC. I won't even count AFC
just in the NFC. So I combined the Eagles and
the Lions offensive rosters because it's an offensive league now
nobody's winning with defense. By the time you get to
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the end of the season and guys are banged up,
offense win super Bowls. Here is the Eagles Lions offense.
Tell me the cowboy that starts, and don't give me
Zach Marson Martin because he's hurt. And the two guards,
Landon Dickerson and Kevin Zeitler are both top ten in
the PFF rankings. Well, what about Cede Lamb. You think
I'm starting him on the perimeter over AJ Brown?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No shot.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
AJ Brown is arguably the second best receiver in the league.
That justin Jefferson. I don't think there's a Dallas cowboy
that would start. And for a radio audience, it goes
Jared Goffer Hurts at quarterback. Take your pick, Saquon Barkley,
Jamiir Gibbs again, take your pick. They're both great. AJ Brown,
omar On Saint Brown at receiver, Sam laporta tight end.
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The tackles are two of the best tackles in the league.
Left tackle for the Eagles, right tackle Pins Stuel probably
is the best right tackle. So you tell me a
cowboy that starts for that Zach Martin, but he's old
and injured, and so if you told me I had
to take one, I wouldn't take the old, expensive, injured guy,
and Ceedee Lamb would absolutely be in the rotation, but
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I wouldn't start him. Amaran Saint Brown's my slot and
AJ Brown is again you take out Justin Jefferson. He's
one of the great receivers in the league. So you
can blame Mike McCarthy. Andy Reid, if he coached the
Dallas Cowboys is not beating Detroit. In Philadelphia, he didn't
have the he didn't have the personnel. I mean, I
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don't think people realize how well Detroit has drafted over
the last four years. Offensively, God, they just don't miss.
And Howie Roseman's pay the best GM in the league.
Those teams are all time stacked. Now Detroit may have
defensive issues because they injuries, and Philadelphia this year finally
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went and drafted a couple of great corners and for
years they were kind of shaky in the back end.
But I don't think that to Mike McCarthy issue. I
think that's upstairs and ownership. What say you, Yeah, I'm
largely with you.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I feel like you're this this bear's job. Is clouding
your judgment just a little bit. So you've been taking
some jabs at Kyle Shanahan. Oh, he's got four losing
seasons McVeigh. McVeagh doesn't have that any So I was
just doing some research, Colin. So Shanahan gets here in
twenty seventeen, his quarterbacks, Brian Hoyer, CJ. Bethard, Jimmy Garoppolo.
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His quarterbacks in twenty eighteen, Nick Mullens, Bethard Garoppolo. You
go down the list. McVeigh had Goff, a number one
overall pick, right, who was a Stafford, a number who
was seen as a bust. He got to a Super
Bowl forty nine ers, Jen, I have never had any
quarterback in the first round pick except for Trey Lance,
who yeah, wasn't it didn't work.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Take it easy on Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I like him. I'm just saying mcvay's my guy.
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(00:25):
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Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
(00:49):
Thanks for making us part of your day. Our last
show of twenty twenty four. As we embark on a
new year, New Year's resolutions.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I have one a year.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I keep it to myself. It's usually a personal thing.
I don't know if I can improve, So I'm not
sure what I have this year. Jamak anything out there
you're gonna blurt out about getting.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Better, Well, I don't need to get better since I'm
great already. Yeah, yeah, started today playing basketball this morning.
I may go to Vegas tonight. Just got an invite
from some friends. Listen, let's get the new year started
right right.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Start the night in Vegas. Start the year in Vegas.
So I want to start. I'll get to the Detroit Lions.
I'll get to them in about five ten minutes. I want
to talk about Brock Purdy because there's this feeling that now,
even though he has a year left on his rookie deal,
that you have to pay Brock Purty. Now, oh, you
got to get a discount now on this guy. And
I was about two weeks ago. I'm watching all these
(01:43):
drone videos on TikTok, all these guys in New Jersey,
and it's clear that men struggle telling the difference between
drones and small planes and aliens. It's also clear men
have a problem deciphering the difference from like Joe Burrow,
who gets whatever he wants with a bad roster, and
(02:03):
Brock Purty, who's really good in the first half with
one of the great play designers in NFL history, Kyle Shanahan.
I always get left with a feeling it's a lot
of empty calories and empty yards. It's one thing if
you're Borrow and your O linees bad and we don't
love your coach and you're always playing from behind. Brock
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Purty has, after Andy Reid and maybe Sean Payton, the
best play designer forget play color, best play designer since
you know, maybe his dad Mike Shanahan. So and you
have the best tight end arguably in football, and two
good receivers and you're at home and the Lions are
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missing eight defensive starters. But this league is about second halfs.
The first half is on script. Yes, he's great off
an on script, but when bo Nicks and Justin Herbert met,
like a week ago, remember that game about ten days ago,
fourteen days ago, bo Nicks was really good on script
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in the first half. Justin Herbert was great offscript. Because
Justin Herbert's a lot better right now than bo Nicks.
And in the second half this year, the more important half.
Brock Purty has eight touchdowns and ten picks and twelve
total giveaways. He's bad and trailing. In the second half,
he's worse. He has a passer rating below seventy five.
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You know, in the non scripted half, with one of
the great play designers of my life. You want to
know it's not random, by the way, you want to
know the top five quarterbacks right now second half passer rating,
Oh what a shock. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson,
Jared Goff and number one pick Baker Mayfield. More talented guys.
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There's a connection between the two. Just a big majority
for all these people saying I have to pay brock
Purty year early, if at all. A big chunk of
his yards are after the catch, because Kittle is great
after the catch and deebo is great after the catch.
And the other part is how open everybody is. I
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swear to God, has George Kittle ever been covered on
any catch in the last month. He's wide open. So
to me, it's always always empty calories with brock Purty.
You got to watch the games in the second half.
In a tight game, two ugly picks through behind Juwan
Jennings on a big third down. Yes, they miss field
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goals of fifty one and fifty eight yards. Why did
they have to kick field goals of fifty one and
fifty eight yards because he missed to Juwan Jennings or
or he doesn't quite have the athletic ability that his
backup Josh Dobbs had to run into the end zone.
I mean, every time he throws the ball over the middle,
you're holding your breath. You're not with Mahomes or Herbert.
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I don't fel that way with Josh Allen. I do
with Brock Purdy. I don't feel that way with Jared Goff.
So this idea that he's a fifty million dollar quarterback.
Jimmy Garoppolo won sixty nine percent of his games in
San Francisco, and people, Niner fans, couldn't get him out
of town fast enough. Maybe they were jealous because he
was so handsome. He won sixty nine percent of his games,
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he got to Super Bowls. They couldn't get him out
of town fast enough. They blamed him for losing the
Mahomes in the Super Bowl because he missed one deep route.
Perty's went in sixty four percent of his games.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It seems to me.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And by the way, he's also hurt again, and he's
been hurt multiple times because he's a smaller athlete. I
thought it was interesting when Josh Dobbs came in, who's
just a remarkable kid. I think he was like a
chemical engineer at Tennessee. You can give him a playbook,
he can memorize it in fifteen minutes. But he ran
for a touchdown because he's a super athletic kid. I
don't think Brock Purty could have run for a touchdown.
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Dobb's a faster, more elegant athlete. So the idea that
I've got a pay him fifty million and pay him early.
There is a difference. I'm sorry, guys, but there is
a difference between aliens and a small plane flying over
your house or maybe your neighbor's drone. And there's a
difference between guys who are literally tractors, you know, like
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they're pulling a franchise to wins, and guys that are trailers.
They're mostly being pulled. Second half game on the line,
playing with a lead to really ugly picks when he
had to throw it over the middle. And again here
here's Kyle Shannan after on his injury.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I know everyone when they hear about Brock's elbow and stuff,
just like me, you think of elbow injury from a
couple of years ago, but you know, just talking to doctors,
you just got hit in the right spot, and when
you get hit there, you're just your nerves go and
you can't feel much, but hopefully it'll be all right.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Then let's sa again.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm going to get to the Detroit Lions after the
break hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Top of the hour, Nick right, Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So let's talk about this whole thing about what you
pay a quarterback, because we've seen with Dak. If you
pay A plus money to a B to a B
plus quarterback, you can't have a legitimate roster. I mean,
look at the Cowboys compared to the Eagles. How many
guys would even start for the Cowboys on the Eagles, right,
Because you've been paying Dak overpaying him for years and
years and years, and so this stuff, this is a
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big topic. This stuff's really important. You can overpay a
wide receiver, you know, you pay him twenty, he's worth fifteen.
You start overpaying a quarterback fifty eight and he's worth
thirty three. One of the reasons Tampa's so good is
because they're getting a deal on Baker Mayfield. They're paying
him thirty three million. I take Baker over Brock thirty
in a second, thirty three months. They're getting a deal
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it's okay for teams to occasionally get deals on quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Two.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Not everybody has to be overpaid. But a team that
is underpaid Tampa with Baker, they've got a stacked roster.
They got good dudes everywhere, d line wide receiver, two
to good running backs. Dallas overpays their quarterback and they're stuck.
So to me, there are three groups, three clubs for
quarterbacks in terms of fifty million dollars plus. The first
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club is I'm gonna pay you what I gotta pay you.
Mahomes Lamar, Josh Allen, Herbert, Stafford Burrough, GoF Love, You're great.
I think you can get to a super Bowl. I'm
gonna pay you what I'm gonna pay you, and I
think a lot of your success is based on you
and you being great. Then there's the fifty million dollar club.
We can negotiate. I'm not offended if you ask for it,
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but I'm gonna push back a little. Jalen Hurt, Sam Darnold, Baker,
and Jayden Daniels. Jayden now want a little more time
Baker and Sam. Let's be honest, it's the perfect season.
Jalen Hurts feels very circumstantial, best o line, unbelievable receivers.
You know MVP when he had Shane Stiket.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
These guys can ask for fifty million. I'm not offended. Negotiate.
And then there's the third club, which is if you
ask for it, I'm hanging up the phone. Brock Purtty's
in that one. Okay, it's nothing personal, but we're not
getting to fifty and we're getting to fifty a year early.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
What's the market? Go to the market. So you know,
it's like negotiating for a new car.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You can tell me that Civic is worth one hundred grand,
Well we got we got rustproofing, a sun roof, and
the salesman can tell me, how about the sports package? Okay,
I'll give you fifty one thousand, not one hundred thousand.
I'm walking out of the dealership if you think that
Civic is worth one hundred thousand dollars and it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Nobody's picking on brock Purty. That's another thing.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh, this is there when you get to a quarterback
because they're paid so much. Now, I mean like Mahomes
signed a four hundred and fifty million dollar deal. You
can make mistakes, overpaying a little bit for a Mike linebacker,
or overpaying for you know, a tight end a little
you're paying him thirteen, he's probably worth eight. You start
overpaying a quarterback, you get to the fifth sixty million
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dollar club, not interested that it got you. There's only
one thing that guarantees you can't win Super Bowls. Only
one thing. Paying a b quarterback a plus money. Even
Tom Brad Drew Brees in his prime took big money
for a couple of years. Sean Payton and Drew Brees
had two back to back mediocre years, restructured his deal,
(10:22):
better deal. They end up in a Super Bowl. Tom
Brady was never the highest paid quarterback. Kirk Cousins was,
and Kirk Cousins, because of that, didn't have the surrounding elements.
So yeah, I'm just I keep watching this thing, and
I'm gonna keep going back. I feel with Brock Purty
and certain quarterbacks, there's a lot of ifs ands and bututs.
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If this is healthy, if I have Christian, if I
have a great play designer, if it's not wet, if
I lead, if it's the first half, I can't pay
that kind of money.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I can't just won't do it. So and I'm not.
I'm not like old guy yelling at clowns.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Here.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I'll pay it. There's like eight guys in the in
the world. I'll pay whatever I gotta pay you. Then
there's another half a dozen guys are close to it
where we can negotiate.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But paying them fifty large and having to pay them early,
I'm not doing it. J MC, I know he's your guy.
I know you worship at the altar of the Broxter.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Boy after the positive Monday you had coming off the
top rope on brock Purty to start New Year's Eve, Colin,
come on, man.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Hey, the rest of the show is flowers, rainbows, just
make it sure, and birds chirping. But I have to
address that. It's a serious topic. We all watch the NFL.
It's got the highest ratings by a mile, and it's
all centered around one position. But it's not just centered
around the position. It's centered around what you pay the position.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
He had two bad throws last night on our otherwise
extraordinary night. No Christian McCaffrey, no Brandon au.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Allians, had no eight defensive starters.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I just, yeah, I would move off some of those
defensive starters who can't plug a hole to save their life.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Jamir Gibbs running wild. How about listen?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I had to give Dan Campbell some credit. Okay, everybody
wanted to sit his guys, the game means nothing. He
plays everybody are people crazy?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The game means nothing.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
First of all, this is the Detroit I'm gonna get
into this. The idea that game didn't mean anything for Detroit.
I completely push back on that. I'll talk about that
coming up.
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Media that's Covino and Rich. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
So there was this sense last night that, you know,
San Francisco they got nothing to play for, but either
does Detroit. And my takeaway is no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. Detroit had all sorts of motivation last night.
They were the only undefeated team on the road all year.
They could go eight to zero on the road. They're
the Detroit Lions, for God's sakes, Why would they ever
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mail one in? And the other thing is they play
Minnesota next week. That's red hot. Why would you want
to be playing coming off a loss. It was Monday
Night football, big stage. Your secondary's got guys who are
backups to backups. There was wide open forty nine ers
the entire game. Those guys need reps. They looked lost
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on some of their coverages. So I mean this idea
that they didn't have anything to play for. I thought
last night's win was a huge win for Detroit, So
I mean, you gotta be honest about Detroit too. They
have been kind of the team everybody's America is pulling
for right and they've been the most talked about team
arguably in the league this year because of Dan Campbell,
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the story, the culture. They're gonna lose both their coordinators,
Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn rock Stars.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
This could be the year.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Go ask Philadelphia Nick Seriani with that roster what happens
when you hire the wrong coordinators? You almost never get
brilliant coordinators, both of them. I mean, look at San Francisco.
Since they've lost to Miko Ryans. Defense isn't the same
and they've hired guys with nice resumes, but Demiko was
better than both. Five percent of this country is great
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at what they do. Doctors pilots, defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators,
truly great. How many great quarterbacks we have six five
in thirty two teams, each one's got two maybe some
have three five, And how many great coaches five? So
they're going to lose their coordinators, and if they lose
to Minnesota next week, who, by the way, is red hot.
(15:18):
So again I love them coming from behind and winning
a game on the road, growing confidence, especially with backups
playing on defense that need the reps.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If they lose to Minnesota, this team.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
That we've talked about all year and was the best
team in football in September and October and early November,
they could go to Tampa for a playoff game if
they lose next weekend Tampa red hot Baker Mayfield and
Mike Evans, who that Lion secondary can't cover, or the
healthiest team in the league, the Rams, who, by the way,
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almost beat the Lions early in the year. I think
it was like Week one, and at that time, Detroit's
defense had all its starters. Now it's got about four
of them, five of them. So the idea that it
didn't mean much last night, that secondary is going to
face Justin Jefferson and either Mike Evans or Pokin Nakua.
They needed reps. Ricky Pearsall's not in that class and
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he was open a lot. George Kittle was open a lot.
You needed to play your dudes. You need to win
that football game. Windows close very quickly. In the NFL,
Niners window was open for about four years. Look at
their roster. You say, got Christian McCaffrey. That offense is
not the same offense. You take out Bosa from the
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defensive line, that's not the same defense.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Here's Dan Campbell.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
After I thought about it leading up to the game.
I thought about it last night, I told the staff,
but I ended up settling on the right thing to
do was play these guys, and because we owed it
to the team and it's not fair to ask guys
to play that haven't been prepared play, you know. So
(17:03):
So yeah, that was tough, and I think the biggest
thing is there were things we wanted to do better
than we did last week, and we did.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, I'm come from behind Monday night win against the
San Francisco forty nine ers and Kyle Shanahan just ask yourself,
as a Lions fan, weren't you angry at half and
weren't you really happy after the game? So if it
meant that to you as a fan, what do you
think it meant to the players? You you were banging
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your head against the wall at your house or condo
or apartment in the first half because the game meant
something to you, even though yeah, I mean it didn't
mean anything. And yet in the second half, how happy
were you? Well, what if you're a coach or a player,
Motivation matters, momentum, inertia matters. I thought it was a
great win for Detroit. J Mack with the news, No,
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no turn.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
On the news.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Let's continue with the Detroit Lions. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They had their fifth game with at least forty points
in no turnovers, which is the most in NFL history.
We're talking like better than the Greatest Show on Turf
and stuff like that. Colin Lions are the first team
in NFL history to have two running backs and two
wide receivers game one thousand scrimmage yards.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
We're talking historic stuff here from the Lions.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean Ben Johnson calling up hooking ladder third and
twelve plays it resulting touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean Jamison Williams on. They rarely use Williams, the
fastest receiver in the NFL. He's almost a gadget player
for them. He would be a primary for every other team.
But they have armor on Saint Brown and Laporta and
running backs. They're getting Montgomery back the running back fully. Yeah, yeah,
I think that because the defense has been weakened, the
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run game has to be empowered. Because what you want
to do if you're Detroit, you want to shrink games.
Now your defense is a liability. It's the same with Baltimore.
I don't trust their defense. I don't trust So what
happens if you can eat the clock, shorten the game,
run the ball. You give a team nine possessions not eleven.
And when you get to the playoffs, I don't want
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to give Matt Stafford and Baker Mayfield and Jalen Hurts
extra possessions.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
The problem is their offense is so proficient. They go
down the field and score in like three minutes. I mean, Colin, listen,
you know. Comparison is the thief thief of joy they
like to say, But I'm just being an honest question.
Watching this Juggernaut all season, this Detroit Lions offense or
any offense Patrick Mahomes has had with the Chiefs, which.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Is better.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Because the numbers in term clearly Detroit. Yes, better than
any offense Mahomes has ever had.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well, Yes, this offense has more talent than any offense
Patrick Mahomes has had absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Any offense that Lamar Jackson's ever had or Josh Allen
has ever had.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I mean we're talking this is like are we talking personnel,
No question, We're talking everything, play calling, personnel, and Jared
Goff Nobody thinks.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
He's like a top five with this have omor On
Saint Brown and Puka Nakua are the best receivers not
taken in the first couple of rounds in the last decade. Arguably,
I mean literally, Pookah is a star and amor On
Saint Brown, and I'm a Trojan fan. I never thought
he would be this as a pro. They have two
starting backs, and they have two backs who are not
only starters, but like high end starters. They have an
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elite tight end, the best right tackle in football, maybe
the best or second best, third best center in football.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
This is an all star team. This is a Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And now defensively all sorts of issues this year, but
offensively it's an all time personnel offense.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And he doesn't Assuming they beat the Vikings, they won't
have to go outdoors for any playoff games, right, They'll
be hosting everything at home.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
I maybe we ruled them out of the Super Bowl
mix too early.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I don't know now now that you said the defense
is bad, the Niners average like seven point nine yards,
will play rock perty for just fit up and down
the field.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
The Niners were induced into a couple of big mistakes.
So you can say what you want about the Lions,
but they did make two big interceptions.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Kicker missed two field goals and two extra points.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Out that the kickers in this draft pick of John
Lynch and early that was like Belichickian almost do you
like the blast Belichick. Next story, let's go to Lamar Jackson.
He's having I don't know if it's quietly a great year.
Everybody's given the MVP to Josh Allen. Sam Donald's right
there and talking about Sam Donald quarterback. He is the
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only QB to finish with fourteen games with a one
hundred passer rating, the first since Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty,
and wouldn't you know it, Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty
won the MVP.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
So there's a small case for Donald. Is the MVP.
Lamar has a small case. I don't know. I don't
know what to do with Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
These numbers are staggering.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Calm, I know what to do with him. Franchise tage,
That's what you do with him. But you're gonna want
to walk out the door again. The Vikings have been
a very, very good team for a long time most
of my life. I go back to the eighties when
it was like Tarkenton and they were getting to Super
Bowls and losing with Bud Grant. But they don't have
a ring. Don't mess around, you don't let great walk
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out the door. Is Sam Donald as good as this
year's numbers. Probably not, But he was never as bad
as his numbers in Caroline and the Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So I you know.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I mean when he was bombing, I kept saying I
don't I used to say this all the time. Go
watch a three minute YouTube clip of Sam Darnald. You'd
think he's a poor man's Josh Allen. There's talent there.
He's probably not as good as his numbers this year
because Justin Jefferson isn't traveling with him, and neither is
Kevin O'Connell. Contextualize it, My thing is, I wouldn't give
Donald the MVP, but the fact that he wasn't being
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mentioned until now is kind of ridiculous. The numbers tell
you he's absolutely in the top two or three class.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
The problem is the last one is the eye test. Okay,
we can look at these numbers all day. Josh allenold
has the most games with a one hundred passer rating.
He and Lamar are tied with thirteen. Passer rating is
one metric, but the eye test says pretty cool to me?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Is Josh Allen?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I agree?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And also Josh Allen's never won an MVP as he yeah,
never had That's where.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
It comes like that. That's a little bit of the NBA. Hey,
Joel Embid's never won an MVB. Let's give it to
a beat.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well no, but but at Buffalo. Since Josh Allen entered
the NFL, I think Buffalo has the number one offense.
Isn't it kind of time? I mean, seriously think about that.
And he never had a run game to rely on
until James Cook. I mean, and he didn't really have
great tight end play until Kim Caid, and he only
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briefly had Steffan Diggs. So it like when Russell Wilson
wasn't winning MVPs or getting votes, it was like, yeah,
but it's there's a lot there behind him. Josh Allen
has carried this offense for years. The fact that he
hasn't won is a little bit of an indictment on
the voters.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
And so to your point on the open market, you
think if the Vikings say Sam, thank you for your service,
we're gonna he'll have.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
An incredibly healthy market.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Give me the top two teams that are bidding on
Sam Raiders.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Raiders are winning games.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
They don't have a top one or two pick, and
they're not Tom Tolesco is not giving away the farm
for these quarterbacks. These are not move up and give
away seven picks for these quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
The Raiders are coming in with a Baker Mayfield offer.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I think they'll offer Baker and Sam.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
But that type money that Baker Mayfield got from.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Them, you can't do that. Bill.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Sam's gonna get into bigger numbers. I have been told
that by an executive in the league that Sam has
moved into a different category over the last three or
four weeks.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
And you feel okay about that.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, I'm not hanging the phone up. We're going to
have to negotiate. I may not get the number a
pushover as.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
A negotiator, I hear, I don't know the final story. Now,
this is really spicy colling. I never like Bill Belichick
as a Jets fan, rooted against him for years. I'm
starting to love this guy. Listen to what Bill Belichick
says about the current structure in NFL front offices.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
You look back at great coaches like Tom Landry probably
never would out a chance to do what he did
in today's environment. There's a lot of cooks in the kitchen,
you know, between the general manager of personnel, directors, head coaches, owners, owners,
families and so forth.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Sometimes from the.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
Outside it's a little blurry as to who's really making
the decision, whether owner has deferred it to somebody, to
whether he's making it him or herself, or you know,
whether it's a committee or how all that works.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Okay, so okay, before we go to who's he talking about,
I'm just wondering is any of this at all, a
veiled shot at the Patriots and what happened at the end,
and who's being blamed for almost all the ills of
New areas.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So let me say this, although I don't disagree with
his premise, I would argue New England needed more cooks
in the kitchen. And that's why the roster is so
damn awful, because Bill wouldn't let anybody else have real
decision making. Go look at their last seven drafts and
don't tell me Nick Cassio didn't know what he was
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doing because the guy went to Houston. Nick Cassari went
to Houston, and his first two drafts have been very strong.
So I think Bill's premise is right. But the truth is,
and I understand the parcels. I have to make the dinner.
I want to select some food. But Parcells, like Jimmy
Johnson and Sean Payton, is excellent with personnel. Bill Parcells
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was excellent with personnel. Sean Payton's good McVeigh has an
opinion is very good. I don't think Kyle Shanahan's as good.
I think Shanahan's a schemer and a play designer. I
don't think he's the great culture guy in the personnel
guy Jimmy Johnson's legendary for personnel knowledge. Belichick's not good
at it. Everybody's got a hole in life. That's not
Bill's thing, and he took it over. So I would
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argue Bill needed a cook in the kitchen on personnel,
not coaching. And also Robert Kraft one time in Bill's
entire rain, said hey, you're not trading Tom move garoppolo.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm sorry. It seems like he was right one that
we know about.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I think part of this back to last year's Atlanta
Falcons disaster, would the owner, like Belichick and the front
office kind of got together and yeah, was like no,
And I think some of this is I would not
be surprised if behind the scenes colin Chicago Bears kicked
the tires on Belichick and he found out that that situation,
there's a mess owners families.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
He said that in the quote, I don't only think
that's the Bears.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
By the way, you know York Jets as well. You
knew who's having a great year this year, the Chargers.
A couple of the Charger kids work in the front office.
Harball likes and gets along.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
With them well, here's the other thing.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
You don't read stories about them getting in the locker
room back to the game.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
No, they do a good job at that.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Other teams, I'm not against your kids working in the
front office as long as they know the boundaries up.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
They didn't play, they didn't coach.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I don't know if I if I owned an NFL
team and my son wanted to do something in the
front office, I'd be like, yeah, you're not a GM
you're not going to.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Be a coach.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
You're not going to talk about schemes. But if you
can be a part something to the table, bring something
to the table.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
And in these days, it's not that hard to bring
something to the table with all the stats set that's
out there available, some new new fangled stats if you will,
there's a lot. I mean, people are front offices are
hiring guys from Pro Football Focus and some of these
statistical websites. It's a new regime now in the NFL.
It's not not the old school football guys still dominated.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You know, I was thinking about this, so Tom Brady
at forty five years old, he retired. He could have played.
He was still one of the top six or seven
quarterbacks in the league. And you know, you people retire
for different reasons, right could be a family thing, could
be a time thing, could be a don't you don't
want to put in the work at practice thing you
love the games. So Lebron James was basically he just
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turned forty on Monday. Happy birthday to Lebron James, who's
been the best overall player in my life watching pro basketball.
Michael Jordan was a different player, a different mindset. Michael.
Maybe in a one game set, I'd take Michael.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But I think Lebron's making Michael Jordan's career look like
a pit stop. It's lasted so long, But here was
Lebron on turning forty, on his playing future.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
It's kind of laughable really to know where I am,
to see where I am still playing a game at
a high level, still being such a young man but
old and in this scheme of how many years I
got in miss profession. But as you know, just thinking
back to when I came into the league, obviously that's
like the first thing I thought about that you came
in as an eighteen year old kid, and now you've
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seen here the forty year old, you know, twenty three
year old vet, you know with a with a twenty
year old and NBA as.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, he's aged incredibly well. You know, it's very funny
because the Internet is very loud and usually often very wrong.
Some will lead you to believe Lebron's not a popular
player once again. The most watched game in the NBA
this year Lebron James and Steph Curry. Oh, by the way,
(30:02):
the most viewed NBA player on social clips. We talked
about it last week. Lebron James the number two selling
jersey in the NBA last year with all these young stars,
Lebron James, the Lakers road attendance for a pretty mediocre
team is number two, and no, Steph's team isn't number one.
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Lebron wasn't in the NBA Cup this year. The ratings
absolutely tanked. So like Tom Brady, he's still a top
ten player, no question, and he could play for years.
I mean, Lebron right now is averaging twenty four to
eight to nine, and if he's stuck around for four
or five more seasons, I think he'd still be averaging
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twenty because his game age as well, because he's a
brilliant passer, an excellent ball handler, and has an basketball AQ.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That is through the roof.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
He's aged well, but he is the greatest enduring basketball
player of my life. But it's always interesting to me.
There's so much pushback on Lebron because the Internet's loud
and wrong, his jersey, the ratings, the NBA Cup without him. Yes,
he can be polarizing because he took a stand on politics,
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and I do admit I don't watch sports for escapism.
I watch it because it's entertainment. I prefer sports over movies,
So I've never watched sports for escapism. I do understand
that many of you do, and you don't like any
politics with your basketball, But I got news for you.
Whether it's the Olympics, whether it's the NBA. We've seen
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it in the NFL. Politics seeps into everything. You have
an opinion in your office on politics. Lebron briefly did
as well, so be it. But the idea that he's
not popular and couldn't be great for mostly as long
as he wanted to is just utter nonsense.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You know, the chosen one the King. It can be
off putting.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Whatever the guy's still giving you, like twenty five, eight
to nine, a night number two in row to ten.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
A lot of stuff today.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
So this is for I mentioned something last week on
the Chicago Bears Job and it is now gaining steam.
Herd Hierarchy Nick right top of the hour. It's New
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Speaker 5 (32:19):
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Fox Urban Meyer Last hour are Big Bets Next hour,
top of the hour The Herd Hierarchy. This is very interesting.
Mike Sando, very respected writer. We bring him on the
show once twice a year from the Athletic. So I
had mentioned this last week in one of my commentaries.
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He's doubling down on it, he said, why not Pete
Carroll in Chicago, let me read this, he said. Over
the course, he studied the seventeen quarterback team relationships spanning
at least a decade since Peyton Manning entered the league,
and here's what he found. You don't need an offensive
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play calling head coach for your quarterback to win. There
are no magic schemes. And that brings us to Carol
and Jim Harbaugh. Both their masters at in instilling confidence
in their quarterbacks. Both create run games to take pressure
off quarterbacks. So Drew Bledsoe with the Patriots. He had
his career best passer rating in nineteen ninety seven and
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other top stats in ninety eight ninety nine. Pete Carroll
was his coach. Young Russell Wilson Seahawks twenty twelve to
twenty one. He entered as a third round pick, developed
a run game, became a superstar. Geno Smith has gotten
worse since Pete Carroll left. Pete Carroll gave him a
run game. What's happened to Gino in the last year?
(33:58):
He'd bad this year? So with young quarterbacks, Gino, I
guess doesn't classify as young Pete Carroll, And this is
what I argued last week. He has a history of
developing strong run games and defenses and kind of detailed
culture which are really beneficial to young quarterbacks. Drew Bledsoe
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in New England, Russell Wilson in Seattle, and Caleb Williams.
And there's nothing against Ben Johnson. He's very smart. But
I gotta be honest. When you watched Detroit last night,
they got like seven Pro Bowl level players. They got
multiple Hall of Fame level guys, the best running back room,
excellent tight end, two great receivers, the best offensive line
(34:40):
in football. There's a lot of coordinators that would look
really really good with Detroit's personnel. And let's be fair
about this, they're stacked. I mean, it's amazing. They're paying
golf good money and they're still stacked because they've drafted
so well. They've hit on virtually all of their offensive
draft picks. They've missed on a couple defensive picks. They
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have nailed offensive picks and then made smart moves. So
you know, I'm a big believer. If you go back
and look at culture guys like Harbaugh's a culture guy.
Name Tomlin's a culture guy. Pete Carroll's a culture guy.
Culture guys may not win a trophy, but they rarely bomb.
(35:25):
Scheme guys bomb all the time. And I'll give you
an example, even really good scheme guys, Kyle Shanahan, J
Mack Listen to this. Kyle Shanahan is considered a top
scheme guy in San Francisco. Four losing seasons. McVeigh is
considered a culture guy. One losing season, even his rebuild
(35:46):
season he got to the playoffs. Culture guys, motivational guys,
Dan Campbell, Vrable, Pete Carroll mcveay. They don't want a trophy.
McVay finally did shouldn't say finally. He's still young. But
scheme guys whiff all the time if they don't have
(36:08):
the right personnel. So basically what happens is a culture
guy squeezes the juice out of every player. A scheme
guy doesn't. A scheme guy can squeeze the juice out
of his particular scheme. He's a defensive coordinator, the edge
rusher the corners will have. Rex Ryan was great at
squeezing juice out of the defensive side, but he hurt
(36:29):
the offensive side. Right, So you know, this idea h's
magic potion, this elixir with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Go look at Detroit's personnel.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Good God, they got all stars, Pro bowlers everywhere a
lot of people would look good with their personnel. So
on our show yesterday, we brought in Michael Irvin, who
is Owa's enlightening, interesting and entertaining. So I would bring
back Mike McCarthy. I think you can make an argument.
(37:00):
Unless I could get Rabel, I'd probably bring back Mike McCarthy.
But Michael Irvin wanted no part of bringing back Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
I just think it's time to go in another direction,
you know. And I hear these late this late search
to maybe going to stay with Mike McCarthy. I'm not
on that bandwager. I just what I believe is this
team needs more discipline. I don't I'm not saying Mike
McCarthy is not a good coach. Ex's and O's coach,
(37:29):
you know, But but I think the team needs more discipline.
And sometimes and it's hard to bring that in when
you say, okay, this guy who doesn't have that firm
hand in discipline is now going to either bring somebody
else in to help them with discipline, and that doesn't work.
You can't come in soft and then try to get tough.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
It's a rap.
Speaker 11 (37:51):
You gotta come in tough and then and then lighten up,
because then the guys will feel like they've earned some
respect and earn you lightening like that.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I agree with, but I don't think Mike McCarthy. Now,
he may not be the solution, but I don't think
he's the problem. Here's what i'd say is your problem.
You know how good the running back room is for
Philadelphia and Detroit and Baltimore. The Cowboys have the worst
running back room in the league. That's not on Mike McCarthy.
(38:21):
Dak's contract is not on Mike McCarthy. The NFC, frankly,
has just gotten better over the last two years. The
defense got worse when Dan Quinn left. The O line
ranked twenty fifth rebuild. They've missed on a couple of picks,
and they've been chased the number two wide receiver in
Dallas seemingly forever. So I'll give you an example. We
can blame Mike McCarthy, but let's say I think we
would all agree on this.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
You degreed.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I agree, Philadelphia and Detroit have the best most talented
offensive rosters in the NFC. I won't even count AFC
just in the NFC. So I combined the Eagles and
the Lions offensive rosters because it's an offensive league now
nobody's winning with defense. By the time you get to
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the end of the season and guys are banged up,
offense win super Bowls. Here is the Eagles Lions offense.
Tell me the cowboy that starts, and don't give me
Zach Marson Martin because he's hurt. And the two guards,
Landon Dickerson and Kevin Zeitler are both top ten in
the PFF rankings. Well, what about Cede Lamb. You think
I'm starting him on the perimeter over AJ Brown?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No shot.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
AJ Brown is arguably the second best receiver in the league.
That justin Jefferson. I don't think there's a Dallas cowboy
that would start. And for a radio audience, it goes
Jared Goffer Hurts at quarterback. Take your pick, Saquon Barkley,
Jamiir Gibbs again, take your pick. They're both great. AJ Brown,
omar On Saint Brown at receiver, Sam laporta tight end.
(39:50):
The tackles are two of the best tackles in the league.
Left tackle for the Eagles, right tackle Pins Stuel probably
is the best right tackle. So you tell me a
cowboy that starts for that Zach Martin, but he's old
and injured, and so if you told me I had
to take one, I wouldn't take the old, expensive, injured guy,
and Ceedee Lamb would absolutely be in the rotation, but
(40:11):
I wouldn't start him. Amaran Saint Brown's my slot and
AJ Brown is again you take out Justin Jefferson. He's
one of the great receivers in the league. So you
can blame Mike McCarthy. Andy Reid, if he coached the
Dallas Cowboys is not beating Detroit. In Philadelphia, he didn't
have the he didn't have the personnel. I mean, I
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don't think people realize how well Detroit has drafted over
the last four years. Offensively, God, they just don't miss.
And Howie Roseman's pay the best GM in the league.
Those teams are all time stacked. Now Detroit may have
defensive issues because they injuries, and Philadelphia this year finally
(40:54):
went and drafted a couple of great corners and for
years they were kind of shaky in the back end.
But I don't think that to Mike McCarthy issue. I
think that's upstairs and ownership. What say you, Yeah, I'm
largely with you.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I feel like you're this this bear's job. Is clouding
your judgment just a little bit. So you've been taking
some jabs at Kyle Shanahan. Oh, he's got four losing
seasons McVeigh. McVeagh doesn't have that any So I was
just doing some research, Colin. So Shanahan gets here in
twenty seventeen, his quarterbacks, Brian Hoyer, CJ. Bethard, Jimmy Garoppolo.
(41:30):
His quarterbacks in twenty eighteen, Nick Mullens, Bethard Garoppolo. You
go down the list. McVeigh had Goff, a number one
overall pick, right, who was a Stafford, a number who
was seen as a bust. He got to a Super
Bowl forty nine ers, Jen, I have never had any
quarterback in the first round pick except for Trey Lance,
who yeah, wasn't it didn't work.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Take it easy on Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I like him. I'm just saying mcvay's my guy.
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