It's the FINAL Funky and the Champ of 2024, and Ben Askren is BACK with Daniel Cormier to talk all things MMA. The guys talk about Alex Pereira's title run, compare it to other fighters like Islam Makhachev, and break down how wins vs. Israel Adesanya and Sean Strickland quickly had him in championship fights just 12 months into his UFC career. Plus, Askren and DC talk Welterweight and what needs to happen next for Leon Edwards, Belal Muhammad, Sean Brady, Joaquin Buckley, and more! Don't miss Cormier and Askren talk about their fight prep and how DC got a "caveman" mentality when he would fight. And check out DC telling the story of his EPIC FIGHT against Dan Henderson! #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(01:07):
Let's go. All right, guys, welcome to a brand new
episode of Fucking the Champ. I'm Daniel Cormier, that's been asking.
It is December thirty. We only have two days left
in twenty twenty four, Ben, can you believe how fast
the year is going. How's the holidays? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So fast? Holidays are great, you know, busy with our
college kids coming home and doing some brastling. We had
some AWA stuff yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What did you do at Awa? You had a party?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, no, this is our third year. Well we did this.
It's called the AWA you too, and we're just like,
it's kind of an inner squad. But because we can't
get all of our kids on duel teams anymore because
we have too many, we doctually an inner squad tool,
so as many kids, six or eight kids that they
want to sign up, and then we just build teams
and then we just do matchups. We had six teams
and we just did you know, four matches in the
(02:00):
morning and uh had a good time.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
That's good. We had a Christmas party, like where is
your That is why you beat us all the time now,
because while you're duels, we're having a Christmas party or
we're all decorating cookies. But I like my kids kids,
I don't want to be the coaches that are like you,
let's just run your kids.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You gotta don't. You got the doctor this weekend is.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Not that big one. Yeah we have the doc be
we also have those duels this week and the wrestling
like Icye Catholic Prep. That's a lot of izzies kids
in Russell that you talk to you. Yeah, man, your
Christmas is your Christmas? Do you overspend for Christmas? You
look like type of guy that just overspends for Christmas?
Like what did you get your kids?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No? No, my uh my wife's in charge of it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
But what did you guys give them?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean yeah, I kind of looked at it and
actually there's still like two gifts hiding in the back
room because I like that was that was too much.
You can't give me my stuff. We're gonna we're gonna
save these or some other times. Uh, but you know,
my daughters are getting older, so like a lot of
clothes and sto Ozzie loves football, so all football stuff.
He got a football jersey and he got a few
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these dummies to throw into.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And so my kids get My kids got e bikes.
They wanted e bikes bad, so they got.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Is that that's where they started to peddle them as go.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
They kind of peddal them, but they don't necessarily have
to peddle them as much as before.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Okay, hey, well, so how old is your son? Is he?
He's done? Is it? No?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
He's thirteen? He's thirteen? He uh, he has a like
a year and a half before uh, high school? Before
high school.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yes, it's gonna be a little bit still.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Hey, but listen, man, So guess what happened to me
on Christmas? We'll put the video. Oh my house in
Louisiana did get broken into Louisiana?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Still?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yes? Yes, so I have a house in Louisiana that
got broken into, man, because my sister and then happened
to come out to California for Christmas. So I get
back from the Renal Tournament the champions I walk into
my house and as I turned the curb, I go, well, Brian,
how'd you beat me? Here? We were just on the phone.
I go, Cassandra, how'd you get here so fast? To
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my house? Bro? My whole family's here. Nobody told me.
They've been planning it since September. I was the best
surprise of all time. Ben, not two hours in my
sister goes, oh, you live on a golf course. Do
you have a golf cart? I go, yeah, I have
a golf cart. We want to drive it. So they
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get in my golf cart, my sister and my niece.
Then they leave, so they leave the golf cart in
the driveway. My seventeen year old nephew and the twelve
year old jump in the golf cart. Next thing you know,
I can't find these kids. They're in the neighborhood going
crazy in the golf cart. Finally they call me. They're
stuck on the side of the road because they crashed
my golf cart at the curb, broke the steering column.
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Not two hours broke. Oh, I got two hours and
they had already broken my golf cart. And then that's
my podcast studio this morning, and none of my wires
are connected. I love my family, but I was so happy.
Then they went back to Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But that hand you need, you need something, You need
some land. So I got ten years and it's like,
go nuts, like you ain't gonna bother anyone else. You
might break some of my stuff, but you know that's it,
Like you're not gonna be in a neighborhood mess with
un Now it's gonna call the cops, just like kind
of go do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Makes it easy, all right, Ben, So, like we can
talk about stuff like this all week because it's been
a while since I spoke to you, but obviously we
do this podcast to talk mixed Martial arts, so it
feels like our off season, and I gotta be honest,
like I was super excited about it when I left
UFC three ten, but bro, it kind of sucks. It
kind of sucks. Seriously, You don't think I like a nice.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Little break this time for us? This this time for
Rest is crazy. I don't know about California, but Wisconsin's
got all their biggest internments that we get the Middlands Soldier, salute,
h Cody Meryl dressing, Stephen Buchanan, the semi finals.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, so that one.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So yeah, I feel like it's a nice little break,
a little focus on wrestling for us.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah. So I've been like I've been wrestling, coaching and everything,
but when I watched Mixed Martial Arts, it seems like
the news kind of dies down and you're kind of
searching for things to talk about and things to like
look at and everybody does a year in review, right,
We've done that last year, our biggest moments, best moments,
but there are things that are still happening a little bit.
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One thing that stood out to me the most was
yesterday Sean Brady was grappling. He won, and he called
out Leon Edwards and said he wants to fight Leon
Edwards in England. He wants to fight him, and he
said this, He said, I want to go to London.
I want to fight Leon in his backyard on Marsh
Twenty second after he won at Fury Professional Grappling, he said,
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hopefully the UFC can make that happen, but we will see.
So in that statement, Ben, it sounds like Sean Brady,
who is ranked lower in the world rankings, but not
very low, probably like five or six off the top
of my head. H he's like five or six, right,
But to Leon Edworks, who's number one or two, it's
kind of like, well, I've been the champion. I've only
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been fighting for belts. It took me twelve fights to
get here. Why do I want to fight this young
up and coming guy and the only guy that's beaten
Sean Brady is the non champion, but loal momet is
it Leon Edwards responsibility to go? Yes, I will fight
this young man because he's willing to come to London,
He's willing to fight me in my hometown, in my backyard,
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and he has earned a right to stand across from
a guy like myself in the octagon.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah. I want to hear a fire story quick, Kelly.
I almost grappled Sean Brady when for this thing that
just happens. Yeah, the guy the fight Pass guys were
in town for uh the Missouri you and I and
they were like, you grap anymore. I'm like, no, I
don't like the leglocks. He's like, my thing doesn't we
do know LEGLOCKX and our thing? Like that sounds interesting
(08:02):
and uh you know he kind of like maybe an
offer to grapple Sean Brady and I thought about free days.
It sounded like fun. But then I was like, I
don't actually do jiu jitsu anymore, Like this is dumb?
Why would I do this? And then I said I
appreciate it, but no, so stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It don't matter that you don't do it. You just
like to compete.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We've seen Yeah, yeah, maybe a wrestling match who knows,
but not to Sean Brady is very tough because I
actually watched your fields no long. Oh, this guy's pretty good.
But I feel like in the UFC well toweight division,
we have a lot of up and comers here. So
we have two guys who are high in the rankings,
Leon and Marty, who are old champions. But between Shavcott,
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Dela Madelena, Sean Brady, uh Machado, Gary Walking, and Buckley,
we got a lot of young guys there, yeah, right,
who are trying to move their way up. So Leon's
got to fight one of them. I don't know, is
it Sean Brady. Maybe he's tough, right, but he's got
to fight some here, right.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I believe, So I believe that he should fight one
of these guys. I believe that for far too long,
we as a sport have almost gate keeped the upper
levels of the divisions. Dude, I don't think there's ever
been a case more strong for that than at one
point fifty five when all those guys were just fighting
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each other. But then like none of the young guys
could get into the mix. It was it was Olivia,
it was Ferguson, it was Pourier and then Michael Chandler
came into that mix. But then Islam and those guys
were kind of like on the outside looking in, and
when they finally got an opportunity, they became the best
in the world. Like think about this, right, Armand got
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a chance. Now he's fighting for the belt. Islam got
a chance. He's not all the champions. It was like,
you don't know what happens times undefeated, Thomas undefeated, So
you don't know what happens when those guys get their opportunity. Unfortunately,
it seems hard to get that opportunity. So for me,
I think Leon should fight him because one, this is
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one thing that could happen if you go and beat
the young, up and coming guy, he maybe one fight
from earning another championship opportunity. Oh yeah, he should be
if it's not Baal Muhammad as the champion.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yes, one hundred percent. And you know what when I
gave you that list, So Blall is not young either, right.
So Blall's thirty six, So I want to say that's
maybe even older than Leon potentially. But you have these
kind of three older guys, Leon, Bilall and Husman who's
been to the top of the division. You have this
list of up and comers, and then below that list
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of up and comers you have other like established people Kolbe,
Gilbert Stephen Thompson, et cetera. So you got if your Dana,
you got to push hard to give those up and comers.
And this is what you know, kind of that. I
gave you five guys, Rockmanoff, Madelena, Brady, Buckley, Gary, you
got you got to give those guys a shot against
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some of these former champions and see if they can
put a show on. And if they can put a show on,
then they're ready for that shot.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, so you have Balal Mohammed fighting Shafcotton next, Yes,
you have potentially uh uh Leon Edwards versus Sean Brady.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
That would be a great one.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, so say you have those two, then you could
potentially go Ian Machado Garritt who's coming off of the loss, yeah,
to fight tomorrow Usman who's also coming off of the loss.
Now it all makes sense. Right now, you're starting to
get what.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
About Dayla Madelena? What's this? Where's he hurt?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
He's hurt, He's go He's hurt. Jack Della is very good,
but he's hurt. He had a big opportunity on his
hands but then he got hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So he hasn't fought since March.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yes, because he got hurt. And I think he was
scheduled for something but then it got canceled because he
was hurt. But if you get all those guys, then
we find out because there are times where guys do
get the chance and they could beat Remember Rafael Phazeve
because was like this guy. Everybody thought he was the
man and he still can be. They put him in
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there with Justin Geegee Gaigie said okay, I'll give you
the shot, and Justin beat him. So like there have
been many instances where the young guy isn't quite ready yet,
but then it happens later. But I think you have
to do it. And I think for Leon Edwards, I
don't know if there's a uh a better fight to
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show that you have made the proved improvements in the
areas that you need to improve in order to fight
Baalamahammad again.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Because she take you down.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, yes, And if he defensive, if he's good defensively,
then you might go okay. Maybe the fight with Blahbahama
might look a little different next time.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, I mean I think that's I think you're right,
And yeah, Leon, will you lose the title? So he
hasn't had a fight since he lost the title. When
you lose a title, I generally feel like it's one
maybe two fights away at worst. Right, Sometimes they give
you an automatic rematch, but it's not very far away
if you get back to the title. So, yes, I
think he should take it. He hasn't fought since July,
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so you know, he does need to get back in
there at some point. The other one, and the the
other one's interesting in there, and maybe Leon would think
this guy's easier, And I would say he's probably got
more hype right now than Sean Brady would be. Walking
Buckley Wauking Buckley's he's, you know, since he got a
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fight with you, he's kind of okay. Well, you know
what's funny is he was kind of throwing things out there,
and a few things weren't sticking, and a few things
are silly. But sometimes you throw things out there, you
start figuring something out. So he's like kind of starting
to figure out his personality a little bit, and he's
becoming more likable and he's winning fights also, so he's
a guy who could be in the top division pretty
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quick as well.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think he might be the guy that gets Jack
Dela Madelina because I think he's he beat the ship
out of Kobe Covenson.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Bro That's probably why everyone loves Did you.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Watch that fight he got Kobe Got. I've never seen
Kobe get beat that bad before, but yes, So Buckley's
kind of found this groove right because he did that
Connor mcgregord thinking it didn't work, but then I thought
that the last call out he did kamorrow Usman was perfect.
I thought that now, I thought that that was perfect
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him calling on kamorrow Usman. But I thought that won
the boy to Kobe Covington, to kamorrow Usman. If he
can fight him, Hell, he might be next. Joaquin Buckley
might actually be next, even before all these other guys.
So I think the onus is on Leon Edwards to
either fight uh uh, Sean Brady or Leon that should
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fight maybe Jaquem Buckley because Joaqum Buckley has a ton
to hype around him right now. He's gotta be one
of these up and comers to remind people that he's
that guy, So they go, I want to see Leon
Edward fight for the belt again, because right now, dude,
it took him eleven fights to get a title fight
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, in the first place, it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Was hard for him to get a championship opportunity. So
I don't know that they'll be rushing to give him
another one. He beats someone that's very, very dangerous. But
those guys put in the work, right, But loll want
a whole bunch of fights to get a title fight.
Leon did to, Ushman did to, So I kind of
understand why they're not as open to giving those young
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guys opportunities.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But now, so Jake and had himself, he's won six
in a row at welter wait since he got to welterweight.
Uh Luke, Thompson, Covington, all really good veterans. And you
know this is fun because this is like sometimes I mean,
you made the point at one fifty five. Sometimes divisions
get stale where the top is kind of stuck at
the top. But now you have this point where there's
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gonna kind of be like a turnover. We all urging
to the top, and how much longer can We'll just
say the tree of Usman and Leon and Ball hang
on to the top because they're all older. Yeah, cool,
he's a nine or something.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, but he was that guy. Now you see him
on the decent right like, yes, time it seems like
time is caught up to Covington now, yes, when is
that time for those guys too?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, So that'd be a fun, fun flip for us
to see happen over the next couple of years, because
it is boring when it gets stale up.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Top, I swear to gud. I felt like that is
what this year represented to me. It felt like there
was a lot of change over at the top of
the division, like if rob Yeah, it kind of feels
like it kind of feels like, well, obviously Max Holloway's
done at one forty five, right, he's up in one
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fifty five, don for good with the way that to
pour you beat Volkanowski. They're rematching if he loses again,
it's like we're done with that old Volte Calloway era.
At one five. They just started looking at like the
Kamara Rousmans and those guys at one seventy. How long
can they knock those guys or keep them away? You know?
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The only person that's kind of stood at the time
is John Jones. Jones has little.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But he liked time warps. He only fights every three years,
so it's like a time warp.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Somehow managed to fight for fifteen years. Bro it beat
the champion the whole time. Like that's crazy, dude.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well Perreira too now, is he's been uh he's been
in title contention for two or three years? Or am I?
Am I making this too long?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
No? No, no, he's been dude. He's only been fighting in
the UFC for three and a half years.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
But when did he win his first title? Because it
was really fast.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It was fast. He fought like he fought two fights
and then he got a title fight in New York.
So he fought in New York the first year. By
the next year in New York he was fighting for
the belt. So it only took him twelve months to
get to Izzy because he made his debut and he
beat that that guy, Bruno Silva, and then he beat
and then Easy beat him. Then he fought you on.
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He's just very active, right, so he seems like he's
ever present. Yeah, hey, you know what Khalil Ramtree said
about that fighter, Perrera.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But he had somebody who was being it was funner.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
What he said was that I had moments of joy.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's awesome, I think. I think. Well, I will break
it down for you because I love I love the
sports psychology of it. Well, the flow state, the flow
you know what the flow state is? You heard that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I do know. When it seems like everything's working.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Okay, when everything's working, But the flow state happens when
every all of your energy is focused on a singular
moment in time and everything else disappears.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So there's this really great book called The Rise of
Superman I have somewhere, and it talks about extreme sports
athletes and the flow state, and you know what sucks
about them, I'll take the bad part is it's almost
an addictive state because when you get there as a
as an extreme sports athlete, it's when your challenge meets
your skill level. Right. So if the challenge is too big,
then it's not good. If the challenge is too low,
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it's not good. Right. So as these extreme sports athletes
get better and better and better, the just got to
keep going up, so they keep their addicted.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
To the limit. Yeah, they push the limited.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What they'll die, Bro, They'll die.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It sucks all gild I got in the flow state
one time. I swear to got it. It happened. It happened,
and I didn't recognize it was happening. And then I realized,
like as I was like, oh my god, now I
know that feeling. But when I was fighting Dan Henderson,
I was doing things. Bro, I swear to god, I
was doing things that I didn't even It was just
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it was like going boom boom yo. I wasn't even trying,
like Bro. Me and Dan Hennyson were fighting. We punched
it to the clinch. I hit him with a step
around throw a polish lateral drop. It was crazy, right,
remember that, Bro, I hit a polish later drop. They
were punching each other. I get on a high crotch
and then I flip him. Yes. Then he gets up
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and I foot sweeping from behind. It was like I
was in a flo state. I grabbed him by the
back of the head and foot swept him. Dude, it
was like everything was working, every transition, every move that
I did, every punch I threw landed. That was the
only time I think that it was a complete flow
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inside the octagon, even a wrestling match, right when you're
wrestling and you're like, dude, I think that was the
only time inside my entire UFC career that I was
in such a flow where it felt like there was
nothing he was going to be able to do, Like
there was no threat, bro. And I mean, have you
ever got that? Like?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Have you I feel like, I mean, in wrestling, I
got there semi frequently. Fighting is I think was harder
because you do the round breaks. So even if you're
flowing a little bit, the round breaks will you stop
and then you gotta go sit down for a minute
and then you got to start again, and it's kind
of like hard to get ramped up. And then obviously
you know you're thinking of like, oh am I up
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three rounds or you know, is it one to one
or you know, so you think about all these auxogenous
things which are not in the fight, whereas in a
wrestling match, like generally the brakes are really shiny, you know, really.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Short hop man cover that pretty much.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I know. So I thought that was cool by roundtree.
I thought that was really a cool statement. And you know,
sometimes guys don't like to acknowledge what the reality is
and it's like, yeah, you came up all bit short,
but you found that flow state. You were there, you
were almost the best in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
When you're getting beat that bad, you truly know you can't.
I actually think I actually getting beat that bad and
be in a state of flow where everything's clicking.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well no, no, I mean so he had I know he
had he had success earlier in the fight, right, he
had more success early in the fight. So maybe he's
more referencing that potentially.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
But then.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I do think sometimes with certain fighters you always talk
about like they don't start fighting well till they get hit.
I actually think when they get hit sometimes like it's
something is that like deeper not as logical reasoning part
of your brain, right it kind of that caveman shit
comes out a little bit and you're like I just
got to fight for my life and that like I
just have to fight for my life right now. I
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think that actually snaps a lot of guys into the
flow state. Rights. Like, I mean, think about if you
I sometimes I say this to my kids, Uh, I said,
you know except when when, especially when they're whining something's hard,
I think about, think about this ship we're out on
the planes in you know, six forty six a d
and some almost try to kill us. What are we
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gonna do? Wine because we're tired, Wine because we're Are
we gonna fight for our freaking lives here?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You know, like, yeah, did you?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I tried to recreate that like I tried to recreate
that caveman shit in me every fight. But yeah, absolutely,
I've stayed from sex for a while, like a month.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's wrong, You're dumb.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Listen, I'm stayed from sex for like a month. Okay.
Then don't eat, like literally eat and like so main
event usually walked at like ten o'clock at night. Don't
eat past like two pm in the afternoon. I agree
with starving, like literally just starving because when you're hungry, right,
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your mind goes to a place like if I have
to go and kill something to eat right now, I will.
Obviously we're not at that level of hunger, but it's
like if I need to, yes, right, you can put
yourself almost in a caveman mindset where you're like taking
all the pleasures of life that we as men love
so much. Food, you know, women, Uh, don't that you
(23:37):
you take it away from yourself and then by the
time you're getting there with this dude, you're like, Yo,
you're the reason that I didn't get to do this.
You're the reason that I'm hungry. Are I? Well?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I mean I was you know what. I was never
an Actually I was more just like think of it, like, well,
if I don't try to hurt him, he's gonna hurt me.
Like that's you know, like you know, if we're out
on the planes and you know, you know, he's got
some that I want. If you know, and there's no law,
I got to kill him to go get his stuff
or he's gonna kill me. That's kind of how I
thought about the act. I was like, uh, And it
wasn't actually till my I was fighting Lineman good because
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everyone else before that I thought they they had good records,
but I think they were very good.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
They weren't very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
And I looked at this guy. I'm like, oh, I
got I'm about to hurt this guy. If I don't
hurt him, he's gonna try to hurt me. So let's go.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know, that threat level's gotta be high. Though the
threat levels high, you're like really locked in you're like
really really locked in, Hey Ben, before I let you go,
Hey boy, condo is hilarious. First off, we were in
the octagony me and him. This dude start talking about
politics after he wanted to fight.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Then he said his dad, sixty years old, just had
a baby, so he was going home to impregnant his wife.
If his dad can do it, he's doing it. He goes,
my dad is the ultimate man. He just had a baby.
So I behold, I have a baby right now. I
saved the world with the cups. He just went egos crazy.
But here's the thing. He wins, and right now he's
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winning at an alarming rate. This dude has won six
in a row. He says that he's be willing to
fight Max Holloway for the BMF championship. You into that.
Morconnell halloway.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Son is also a bigcoinner.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Oh yeah, he is a big cooin guy. Yeah, he
is a big time bigcoin guy.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Big time. I don't know if I'm into mcconnough Halloway,
but I am very into I will fight anybody. I mean,
that is how guys get a lot of You know,
Pereira did the same thing. Kevin Holland got popularly doing that.
That's kind of how you get popular. You don't get
popular trying to be cute and pick your way to
the top. You get popular by saying I will show
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up and fight anyone and then actually doing it. So
I love what he's doing. I don't know if they're gonna
give them Holloway next. I mean, he's got Oh my god,
who's he got? He got some? But no in LA
who's he fighting? Dariush fighting? Yes, and Sophie wins that one.
He's gonna have an other opportunity on the microphone, and
we know he's outstanding on the microphone, so I'm sure
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he's gonna make an outstanding call out. And you know,
seven wins in a row the lightweight division is gonna
get you someone really, really good.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
You know. Here, here's the thing. I believe that this
dude really is good. I believe that because of how
important the BMF title now seems to be. He's almost
looking at the BMF championship and almost ignoring the fact
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that he's so close to being maybe fighting for a championship.
That's what That's the only scare for me with the
BMF Championship because I've heard now on many occasions people go,
I'd like to fight for the BMF title. It's like,
it's cool, right, but I don't know if that's what
it was intended to be. But when you put world
class fighters in fighting for the BMF title, like Justin
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Gaetgee and Max Holloway, now you run into this issue
a little bit where we got a guy and O'Connell going,
I've got a dar Us fight which could potentially prepell
me into a Champions of Opportunity. But I kind of
want to fight Max Holloway for.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
A ten so I don't think he's that close to
a title these probably, but look at the top couple
of wins away. I know, I got you armand al Vera,
gai Chi, Poitier, Hallway, Hooker, all older. You're you're right,
so you're right on that note. But I think I
mean kind of just like we talked about with the welterweight,
I think if he takes out dari Jus, he takes
out one of the other guys who's been there forever
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and has a huge name, that's great. And you know
what the other thing we know is MOI Kano will
fight anyone. And he likes to fight frequently, which is great,
and Islam doesn't like to fight all that frequently he does.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Islam likes to fight just it's hard to fight.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
How many times had he fought in the last year?
Let me look at this.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Three three?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Really is fun? Three times in a year in the.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Last twelve twelve months, is Slum's fought three time? He
fought Nabu Dabi fought in Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
No, he didn't. It was February twenty twenty three October
twenty twenty three, Une twenty twenty one. And then he's
obviously fighting coming up, so.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Like no twenty four. So February twenty three, October twenty three,
June twenty four.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
That's and now now January of twenty five.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So for years, the last eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's not bad, not bad, No, it's not that bad.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I mean could fight like you know John Jones, John
Jones is the man bro like he'd beat the shit
out of Steve. I don't expect that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Uh, really, you're a lie. You expected I.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Thought Steve would fight him better. Steve may look slow, though, man,
he looks so slow.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Because he didn't fight in four years and he's forty
three years old.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Hello, right, No, I want tom Ass, but damn.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It, you're Sol.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
All right, all right, Ben, thank you again man for
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Let's go. All right, guys, welcome to a brand new
episode of Fucking the Champ. I'm Daniel Cormier, that's been asking.
It is December thirty. We only have two days left
in twenty twenty four, Ben, can you believe how fast
the year is going. How's the holidays? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So fast? Holidays are great, you know, busy with our
college kids coming home and doing some brastling. We had
some AWA stuff yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What did you do at Awa? You had a party?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, no, this is our third year. Well we did this.
It's called the AWA you too, and we're just like,
it's kind of an inner squad. But because we can't
get all of our kids on duel teams anymore because
we have too many, we doctually an inner squad tool,
so as many kids, six or eight kids that they
want to sign up, and then we just build teams
and then we just do matchups. We had six teams
and we just did you know, four matches in the
(02:00):
morning and uh had a good time.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
That's good. We had a Christmas party, like where is
your That is why you beat us all the time now,
because while you're duels, we're having a Christmas party or
we're all decorating cookies. But I like my kids kids,
I don't want to be the coaches that are like you,
let's just run your kids.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You gotta don't. You got the doctor this weekend is.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Not that big one. Yeah we have the doc be
we also have those duels this week and the wrestling
like Icye Catholic Prep. That's a lot of izzies kids
in Russell that you talk to you. Yeah, man, your
Christmas is your Christmas? Do you overspend for Christmas? You
look like type of guy that just overspends for Christmas?
Like what did you get your kids?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No? No, my uh my wife's in charge of it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
But what did you guys give them?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean yeah, I kind of looked at it and
actually there's still like two gifts hiding in the back
room because I like that was that was too much.
You can't give me my stuff. We're gonna we're gonna
save these or some other times. Uh, but you know,
my daughters are getting older, so like a lot of
clothes and sto Ozzie loves football, so all football stuff.
He got a football jersey and he got a few
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these dummies to throw into.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And so my kids get My kids got e bikes.
They wanted e bikes bad, so they got.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Is that that's where they started to peddle them as go.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
They kind of peddal them, but they don't necessarily have
to peddle them as much as before.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Okay, hey, well, so how old is your son? Is he?
He's done? Is it? No?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
He's thirteen? He's thirteen? He uh, he has a like
a year and a half before uh, high school? Before
high school.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yes, it's gonna be a little bit still.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Hey, but listen, man, So guess what happened to me
on Christmas? We'll put the video. Oh my house in
Louisiana did get broken into Louisiana?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Still?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yes? Yes, so I have a house in Louisiana that
got broken into, man, because my sister and then happened
to come out to California for Christmas. So I get
back from the Renal Tournament the champions I walk into
my house and as I turned the curb, I go, well, Brian,
how'd you beat me? Here? We were just on the phone.
I go, Cassandra, how'd you get here so fast? To
(04:08):
my house? Bro? My whole family's here. Nobody told me.
They've been planning it since September. I was the best
surprise of all time. Ben, not two hours in my
sister goes, oh, you live on a golf course. Do
you have a golf cart? I go, yeah, I have
a golf cart. We want to drive it. So they
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get in my golf cart, my sister and my niece.
Then they leave, so they leave the golf cart in
the driveway. My seventeen year old nephew and the twelve
year old jump in the golf cart. Next thing you know,
I can't find these kids. They're in the neighborhood going
crazy in the golf cart. Finally they call me. They're
stuck on the side of the road because they crashed
my golf cart at the curb, broke the steering column.
(04:51):
Not two hours broke. Oh, I got two hours and
they had already broken my golf cart. And then that's
my podcast studio this morning, and none of my wires
are connected. I love my family, but I was so happy.
Then they went back to Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But that hand you need, you need something, You need
some land. So I got ten years and it's like,
go nuts, like you ain't gonna bother anyone else. You
might break some of my stuff, but you know that's it,
Like you're not gonna be in a neighborhood mess with
un Now it's gonna call the cops, just like kind
of go do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Makes it easy, all right, Ben, So, like we can
talk about stuff like this all week because it's been
a while since I spoke to you, but obviously we
do this podcast to talk mixed Martial arts, so it
feels like our off season, and I gotta be honest,
like I was super excited about it when I left
UFC three ten, but bro, it kind of sucks. It
kind of sucks. Seriously, You don't think I like a nice.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Little break this time for us? This this time for
Rest is crazy. I don't know about California, but Wisconsin's
got all their biggest internments that we get the Middlands Soldier, salute,
h Cody Meryl dressing, Stephen Buchanan, the semi finals.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, so that one.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So yeah, I feel like it's a nice little break,
a little focus on wrestling for us.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah. So I've been like I've been wrestling, coaching and everything,
but when I watched Mixed Martial Arts, it seems like
the news kind of dies down and you're kind of
searching for things to talk about and things to like
look at and everybody does a year in review, right,
We've done that last year, our biggest moments, best moments,
but there are things that are still happening a little bit.
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One thing that stood out to me the most was
yesterday Sean Brady was grappling. He won, and he called
out Leon Edwards and said he wants to fight Leon
Edwards in England. He wants to fight him, and he
said this, He said, I want to go to London.
I want to fight Leon in his backyard on Marsh
Twenty second after he won at Fury Professional Grappling, he said,
(06:51):
hopefully the UFC can make that happen, but we will see.
So in that statement, Ben, it sounds like Sean Brady,
who is ranked lower in the world rankings, but not
very low, probably like five or six off the top
of my head. H he's like five or six, right,
But to Leon Edworks, who's number one or two, it's
kind of like, well, I've been the champion. I've only
(07:13):
been fighting for belts. It took me twelve fights to
get here. Why do I want to fight this young
up and coming guy and the only guy that's beaten
Sean Brady is the non champion, but loal momet is
it Leon Edwards responsibility to go? Yes, I will fight
this young man because he's willing to come to London,
He's willing to fight me in my hometown, in my backyard,
(07:35):
and he has earned a right to stand across from
a guy like myself in the octagon.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah. I want to hear a fire story quick, Kelly.
I almost grappled Sean Brady when for this thing that
just happens. Yeah, the guy the fight Pass guys were
in town for uh the Missouri you and I and
they were like, you grap anymore. I'm like, no, I
don't like the leglocks. He's like, my thing doesn't we
do know LEGLOCKX and our thing? Like that sounds interesting
(08:02):
and uh you know he kind of like maybe an
offer to grapple Sean Brady and I thought about free days.
It sounded like fun. But then I was like, I
don't actually do jiu jitsu anymore, Like this is dumb?
Why would I do this? And then I said I
appreciate it, but no, so stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It don't matter that you don't do it. You just
like to compete.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We've seen Yeah, yeah, maybe a wrestling match who knows,
but not to Sean Brady is very tough because I
actually watched your fields no long. Oh, this guy's pretty good.
But I feel like in the UFC well toweight division,
we have a lot of up and comers here. So
we have two guys who are high in the rankings,
Leon and Marty, who are old champions. But between Shavcott,
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Dela Madelena, Sean Brady, uh Machado, Gary Walking, and Buckley,
we got a lot of young guys there, yeah, right,
who are trying to move their way up. So Leon's
got to fight one of them. I don't know, is
it Sean Brady. Maybe he's tough, right, but he's got
to fight some here, right.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I believe, So I believe that he should fight one
of these guys. I believe that for far too long,
we as a sport have almost gate keeped the upper
levels of the divisions. Dude, I don't think there's ever
been a case more strong for that than at one
point fifty five when all those guys were just fighting
(09:23):
each other. But then like none of the young guys
could get into the mix. It was it was Olivia,
it was Ferguson, it was Pourier and then Michael Chandler
came into that mix. But then Islam and those guys
were kind of like on the outside looking in, and
when they finally got an opportunity, they became the best
in the world. Like think about this, right, Armand got
(09:44):
a chance. Now he's fighting for the belt. Islam got
a chance. He's not all the champions. It was like,
you don't know what happens times undefeated, Thomas undefeated, So
you don't know what happens when those guys get their opportunity. Unfortunately,
it seems hard to get that opportunity. So for me,
I think Leon should fight him because one, this is
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one thing that could happen if you go and beat
the young, up and coming guy, he maybe one fight
from earning another championship opportunity. Oh yeah, he should be
if it's not Baal Muhammad as the champion.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yes, one hundred percent. And you know what when I
gave you that list, So Blall is not young either, right.
So Blall's thirty six, So I want to say that's
maybe even older than Leon potentially. But you have these
kind of three older guys, Leon, Bilall and Husman who's
been to the top of the division. You have this
list of up and comers, and then below that list
(10:41):
of up and comers you have other like established people Kolbe,
Gilbert Stephen Thompson, et cetera. So you got if your Dana,
you got to push hard to give those up and comers.
And this is what you know, kind of that. I
gave you five guys, Rockmanoff, Madelena, Brady, Buckley, Gary, you
got you got to give those guys a shot against
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some of these former champions and see if they can
put a show on. And if they can put a show on,
then they're ready for that shot.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, so you have Balal Mohammed fighting Shafcotton next, Yes,
you have potentially uh uh Leon Edwards versus Sean Brady.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
That would be a great one.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, so say you have those two, then you could
potentially go Ian Machado Garritt who's coming off of the loss, yeah,
to fight tomorrow Usman who's also coming off of the loss.
Now it all makes sense. Right now, you're starting to
get what.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
About Dayla Madelena? What's this? Where's he hurt?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
He's hurt, He's go He's hurt. Jack Della is very good,
but he's hurt. He had a big opportunity on his
hands but then he got hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So he hasn't fought since March.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yes, because he got hurt. And I think he was
scheduled for something but then it got canceled because he
was hurt. But if you get all those guys, then
we find out because there are times where guys do
get the chance and they could beat Remember Rafael Phazeve
because was like this guy. Everybody thought he was the
man and he still can be. They put him in
(12:07):
there with Justin Geegee Gaigie said okay, I'll give you
the shot, and Justin beat him. So like there have
been many instances where the young guy isn't quite ready yet,
but then it happens later. But I think you have
to do it. And I think for Leon Edwards, I
don't know if there's a uh a better fight to
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show that you have made the proved improvements in the
areas that you need to improve in order to fight
Baalamahammad again.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Because she take you down.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, yes, And if he defensive, if he's good defensively,
then you might go okay. Maybe the fight with Blahbahama
might look a little different next time.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, I mean I think that's I think you're right,
And yeah, Leon, will you lose the title? So he
hasn't had a fight since he lost the title. When
you lose a title, I generally feel like it's one
maybe two fights away at worst. Right, Sometimes they give
you an automatic rematch, but it's not very far away
if you get back to the title. So, yes, I
think he should take it. He hasn't fought since July,
(13:08):
so you know, he does need to get back in
there at some point. The other one, and the the
other one's interesting in there, and maybe Leon would think
this guy's easier, And I would say he's probably got
more hype right now than Sean Brady would be. Walking
Buckley Wauking Buckley's he's, you know, since he got a
(13:28):
fight with you, he's kind of okay. Well, you know
what's funny is he was kind of throwing things out there,
and a few things weren't sticking, and a few things
are silly. But sometimes you throw things out there, you
start figuring something out. So he's like kind of starting
to figure out his personality a little bit, and he's
becoming more likable and he's winning fights also, so he's
a guy who could be in the top division pretty
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quick as well.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think he might be the guy that gets Jack
Dela Madelina because I think he's he beat the ship
out of Kobe Covenson.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Bro That's probably why everyone loves Did you.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Watch that fight he got Kobe Got. I've never seen
Kobe get beat that bad before, but yes, So Buckley's
kind of found this groove right because he did that
Connor mcgregord thinking it didn't work, but then I thought
that the last call out he did kamorrow Usman was perfect.
I thought that now, I thought that that was perfect
(14:23):
him calling on kamorrow Usman. But I thought that won
the boy to Kobe Covington, to kamorrow Usman. If he
can fight him, Hell, he might be next. Joaquin Buckley
might actually be next, even before all these other guys.
So I think the onus is on Leon Edwards to
either fight uh uh, Sean Brady or Leon that should
(14:48):
fight maybe Jaquem Buckley because Joaqum Buckley has a ton
to hype around him right now. He's gotta be one
of these up and comers to remind people that he's
that guy, So they go, I want to see Leon
Edward fight for the belt again, because right now, dude,
it took him eleven fights to get a title fight
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, in the first place, it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Was hard for him to get a championship opportunity. So
I don't know that they'll be rushing to give him
another one. He beats someone that's very, very dangerous. But
those guys put in the work, right, But loll want
a whole bunch of fights to get a title fight.
Leon did to, Ushman did to, So I kind of
understand why they're not as open to giving those young
(15:28):
guys opportunities.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But now, so Jake and had himself, he's won six
in a row at welter wait since he got to welterweight.
Uh Luke, Thompson, Covington, all really good veterans. And you
know this is fun because this is like sometimes I mean,
you made the point at one fifty five. Sometimes divisions
get stale where the top is kind of stuck at
the top. But now you have this point where there's
(15:51):
gonna kind of be like a turnover. We all urging
to the top, and how much longer can We'll just
say the tree of Usman and Leon and Ball hang
on to the top because they're all older. Yeah, cool,
he's a nine or something.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, but he was that guy. Now you see him
on the decent right like, yes, time it seems like
time is caught up to Covington now, yes, when is
that time for those guys too?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, So that'd be a fun, fun flip for us
to see happen over the next couple of years, because
it is boring when it gets stale up.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Top, I swear to gud. I felt like that is
what this year represented to me. It felt like there
was a lot of change over at the top of
the division, like if rob Yeah, it kind of feels
like it kind of feels like, well, obviously Max Holloway's
done at one forty five, right, he's up in one
(16:46):
fifty five, don for good with the way that to
pour you beat Volkanowski. They're rematching if he loses again,
it's like we're done with that old Volte Calloway era.
At one five. They just started looking at like the
Kamara Rousmans and those guys at one seventy. How long
can they knock those guys or keep them away? You know?
(17:07):
The only person that's kind of stood at the time
is John Jones. Jones has little.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But he liked time warps. He only fights every three years,
so it's like a time warp.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Somehow managed to fight for fifteen years. Bro it beat
the champion the whole time. Like that's crazy, dude.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well Perreira too now, is he's been uh he's been
in title contention for two or three years? Or am I?
Am I making this too long?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
No? No, no, he's been dude. He's only been fighting in
the UFC for three and a half years.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
But when did he win his first title? Because it
was really fast.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It was fast. He fought like he fought two fights
and then he got a title fight in New York.
So he fought in New York the first year. By
the next year in New York he was fighting for
the belt. So it only took him twelve months to
get to Izzy because he made his debut and he
beat that that guy, Bruno Silva, and then he beat
and then Easy beat him. Then he fought you on.
(17:58):
He's just very active, right, so he seems like he's
ever present. Yeah, hey, you know what Khalil Ramtree said
about that fighter, Perrera.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But he had somebody who was being it was funner.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
What he said was that I had moments of joy.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's awesome, I think. I think. Well, I will break
it down for you because I love I love the
sports psychology of it. Well, the flow state, the flow
you know what the flow state is? You heard that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I do know. When it seems like everything's working.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Okay, when everything's working, But the flow state happens when
every all of your energy is focused on a singular
moment in time and everything else disappears.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So there's this really great book called The Rise of
Superman I have somewhere, and it talks about extreme sports
athletes and the flow state, and you know what sucks
about them, I'll take the bad part is it's almost
an addictive state because when you get there as a
as an extreme sports athlete, it's when your challenge meets
your skill level. Right. So if the challenge is too big,
then it's not good. If the challenge is too low,
(18:56):
it's not good. Right. So as these extreme sports athletes
get better and better and better, the just got to
keep going up, so they keep their addicted.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
To the limit. Yeah, they push the limited.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What they'll die, Bro, They'll die.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It sucks all gild I got in the flow state
one time. I swear to got it. It happened. It happened,
and I didn't recognize it was happening. And then I realized,
like as I was like, oh my god, now I
know that feeling. But when I was fighting Dan Henderson,
I was doing things. Bro, I swear to god, I
was doing things that I didn't even It was just
(19:29):
it was like going boom boom yo. I wasn't even trying,
like Bro. Me and Dan Hennyson were fighting. We punched
it to the clinch. I hit him with a step
around throw a polish lateral drop. It was crazy, right,
remember that, Bro, I hit a polish later drop. They
were punching each other. I get on a high crotch
and then I flip him. Yes. Then he gets up
(19:51):
and I foot sweeping from behind. It was like I
was in a flo state. I grabbed him by the
back of the head and foot swept him. Dude, it
was like everything was working, every transition, every move that
I did, every punch I threw landed. That was the
only time I think that it was a complete flow
(20:14):
inside the octagon, even a wrestling match, right when you're
wrestling and you're like, dude, I think that was the
only time inside my entire UFC career that I was
in such a flow where it felt like there was
nothing he was going to be able to do, Like
there was no threat, bro. And I mean, have you
ever got that? Like?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Have you I feel like, I mean, in wrestling, I
got there semi frequently. Fighting is I think was harder
because you do the round breaks. So even if you're
flowing a little bit, the round breaks will you stop
and then you gotta go sit down for a minute
and then you got to start again, and it's kind
of like hard to get ramped up. And then obviously
you know you're thinking of like, oh am I up
(20:52):
three rounds or you know, is it one to one
or you know, so you think about all these auxogenous
things which are not in the fight, whereas in a
wrestling match, like generally the brakes are really shiny, you know, really.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Short hop man cover that pretty much.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I know. So I thought that was cool by roundtree.
I thought that was really a cool statement. And you know,
sometimes guys don't like to acknowledge what the reality is
and it's like, yeah, you came up all bit short,
but you found that flow state. You were there, you
were almost the best in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
When you're getting beat that bad, you truly know you can't.
I actually think I actually getting beat that bad and
be in a state of flow where everything's clicking.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well no, no, I mean so he had I know he
had he had success earlier in the fight, right, he
had more success early in the fight. So maybe he's
more referencing that potentially.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
But then.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I do think sometimes with certain fighters you always talk
about like they don't start fighting well till they get hit.
I actually think when they get hit sometimes like it's
something is that like deeper not as logical reasoning part
of your brain, right it kind of that caveman shit
comes out a little bit and you're like I just
got to fight for my life and that like I
just have to fight for my life right now. I
(22:11):
think that actually snaps a lot of guys into the
flow state. Rights. Like, I mean, think about if you
I sometimes I say this to my kids, Uh, I said,
you know except when when, especially when they're whining something's hard,
I think about, think about this ship we're out on
the planes in you know, six forty six a d
and some almost try to kill us. What are we
(22:31):
gonna do? Wine because we're tired, Wine because we're Are
we gonna fight for our freaking lives here?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You know, like, yeah, did you?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I tried to recreate that like I tried to recreate
that caveman shit in me every fight. But yeah, absolutely,
I've stayed from sex for a while, like a month.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's wrong, You're dumb.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Listen, I'm stayed from sex for like a month. Okay.
Then don't eat, like literally eat and like so main
event usually walked at like ten o'clock at night. Don't
eat past like two pm in the afternoon. I agree
with starving, like literally just starving because when you're hungry, right,
(23:12):
your mind goes to a place like if I have
to go and kill something to eat right now, I will.
Obviously we're not at that level of hunger, but it's
like if I need to, yes, right, you can put
yourself almost in a caveman mindset where you're like taking
all the pleasures of life that we as men love
so much. Food, you know, women, Uh, don't that you
(23:37):
you take it away from yourself and then by the
time you're getting there with this dude, you're like, Yo,
you're the reason that I didn't get to do this.
You're the reason that I'm hungry. Are I? Well?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I mean I was you know what. I was never
an Actually I was more just like think of it, like, well,
if I don't try to hurt him, he's gonna hurt me.
Like that's you know, like you know, if we're out
on the planes and you know, you know, he's got
some that I want. If you know, and there's no law,
I got to kill him to go get his stuff
or he's gonna kill me. That's kind of how I
thought about the act. I was like, uh, And it
wasn't actually till my I was fighting Lineman good because
(24:10):
everyone else before that I thought they they had good records,
but I think they were very good.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
They weren't very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
And I looked at this guy. I'm like, oh, I
got I'm about to hurt this guy. If I don't
hurt him, he's gonna try to hurt me. So let's go.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know, that threat level's gotta be high. Though the
threat levels high, you're like really locked in you're like
really really locked in, Hey Ben, before I let you go,
Hey boy, condo is hilarious. First off, we were in
the octagony me and him. This dude start talking about
politics after he wanted to fight.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Then he said his dad, sixty years old, just had
a baby, so he was going home to impregnant his wife.
If his dad can do it, he's doing it. He goes,
my dad is the ultimate man. He just had a baby.
So I behold, I have a baby right now. I
saved the world with the cups. He just went egos crazy.
But here's the thing. He wins, and right now he's
(25:04):
winning at an alarming rate. This dude has won six
in a row. He says that he's be willing to
fight Max Holloway for the BMF championship. You into that.
Morconnell halloway.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Son is also a bigcoinner.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Oh yeah, he is a big cooin guy. Yeah, he
is a big time bigcoin guy.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Big time. I don't know if I'm into mcconnough Halloway,
but I am very into I will fight anybody. I mean,
that is how guys get a lot of You know,
Pereira did the same thing. Kevin Holland got popularly doing that.
That's kind of how you get popular. You don't get
popular trying to be cute and pick your way to
the top. You get popular by saying I will show
(25:42):
up and fight anyone and then actually doing it. So
I love what he's doing. I don't know if they're gonna
give them Holloway next. I mean, he's got Oh my god,
who's he got? He got some? But no in LA
who's he fighting? Dariush fighting? Yes, and Sophie wins that one.
He's gonna have an other opportunity on the microphone, and
we know he's outstanding on the microphone, so I'm sure
(26:04):
he's gonna make an outstanding call out. And you know,
seven wins in a row the lightweight division is gonna
get you someone really, really good.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
You know. Here, here's the thing. I believe that this
dude really is good. I believe that because of how
important the BMF title now seems to be. He's almost
looking at the BMF championship and almost ignoring the fact
(26:33):
that he's so close to being maybe fighting for a championship.
That's what That's the only scare for me with the
BMF Championship because I've heard now on many occasions people go,
I'd like to fight for the BMF title. It's like,
it's cool, right, but I don't know if that's what
it was intended to be. But when you put world
class fighters in fighting for the BMF title, like Justin
(26:54):
Gaetgee and Max Holloway, now you run into this issue
a little bit where we got a guy and O'Connell going,
I've got a dar Us fight which could potentially prepell
me into a Champions of Opportunity. But I kind of
want to fight Max Holloway for.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
A ten so I don't think he's that close to
a title these probably, but look at the top couple
of wins away. I know, I got you armand al Vera,
gai Chi, Poitier, Hallway, Hooker, all older. You're you're right,
so you're right on that note. But I think I
mean kind of just like we talked about with the welterweight,
I think if he takes out dari Jus, he takes
out one of the other guys who's been there forever
(27:30):
and has a huge name, that's great. And you know
what the other thing we know is MOI Kano will
fight anyone. And he likes to fight frequently, which is great,
and Islam doesn't like to fight all that frequently he does.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Islam likes to fight just it's hard to fight.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
How many times had he fought in the last year?
Let me look at this.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Three three?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Really is fun? Three times in a year in the.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Last twelve twelve months, is Slum's fought three time? He
fought Nabu Dabi fought in Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
No, he didn't. It was February twenty twenty three October
twenty twenty three, Une twenty twenty one. And then he's
obviously fighting coming up, so.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Like no twenty four. So February twenty three, October twenty three,
June twenty four.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
That's and now now January of twenty five.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So for years, the last eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's not bad, not bad, No, it's not that bad.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I mean could fight like you know John Jones, John
Jones is the man bro like he'd beat the shit
out of Steve. I don't expect that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Uh, really, you're a lie. You expected I.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Thought Steve would fight him better. Steve may look slow, though, man,
he looks so slow.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Because he didn't fight in four years and he's forty
three years old.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Hello, right, No, I want tom Ass, but damn.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It, you're Sol.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
All right, all right, Ben, thank you again man for
another episode of Fucking Chip Guys. That's our last episode
of twenty twenty four, twenty five. We have many more episodes. Ben,
don't leave. Let yet, Luis eat you for one second
before we go until next time. Guys like subscribe and
tell you first about my YouTube channel and always tapping
the funk in the champl I'm Daniel Cormier that's been
(29:09):
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