January 2, 2025 • 35 mins
Colin gives Ohio State credit for turning their season around after 2 losses in the regular season to now looking like the most dominant team remaining in the College Football Playoff. He can't believe Texas nearly blew it against Arizona State and tries to make sense of a team that might have the most talent in the country but struggles with consistency. Plus, QB expert Jordan Palmer joins the show in studio to break down Sam Darnold's incredible season and Caleb Williams's struggles as a rookie.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a deliriously fun day for most people, maybe not the
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Oregon Ducks. Watching college football yesterday, the smoke is starting
to clear. It looks like Ohio State is coming through
the fog.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Imagine that.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, we both liked Ohio State yesterday. We kind of
felt like that was the play yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Ryan Day keeping his job. Huh, nice job by him.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, Ryan Day's in line for a Natty potentially. So
There's always been an understanding in the NFL that football,
real football, starts post Thanksgiving, that you want to be
peaking in December and January. You can experiment in septeb
It's not punitive if you lose a couple of games
by early October. Meanwhile, college football, with the younger athletes
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who have to go to school, why they play, there's
been this unhealthy and unrealistic standard that you've got to
be on your a game and perfect starting Labor Day
weekend stumble in October, you are unworthy. Off to the
Fiesta Bowl, Off to the Citrus Bowl, Off to the.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Pop Tart Bowl. But now you're allowed to grow.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And Ohio State is the first team in college football
history allowed to grow. They had a close loss early
at Outsin all right, Uh, they were awful at home
and stumbled against Michigan late. All right, But they did
beat Penn State and blew out a lot of teams.
So you know what, we're gonna let him in.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
We're gon We're gonna let him in.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And they've been the best team easily in the tournament.
Ryan Day, get him out of here. Oh wait, my bad,
he had a bad Saturday. Will Howard had a bad Saturday. Yeah,
it was late in the season. That would have disqualified
them my entire life. The Buckeyes this moment are easily
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the best team in college football. Why did it take
so long?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Their best player player, Jeremiah Smith, receiver. He was in
high school last year. Their second best player Caleb Downs,
he's a sophomore and a transfer. Also, yeah, they're quarterback
transferred too. It takes a while. Sometimes you gotta let
the cake bake. By the way, Notre Dame lost in
Northern Illinois earlier this year. How is that possible? Because
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they had a transfer quarterback? Who now Riley Leonard's playing really,
really well in the NFL. You've always been given time.
Tom Brady won a Super Bowl in week ten eleven twelve.
That Tampa Bay team was terrible. They got hot. Then
Peyton Manning had a team in Denver. They were two
and two in December and January, and they got hot
in one The Kansas City Chiefs the last two years,
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I mean last year, Kansas City lost to the Raiders
late in the year. Yet they were the best team
in football. Yet we've always held college kids to this
unbelievable standard of well, what do you mean you loss
to Purdue October first, you're out of here. Liberty Ball
or nothing, give me Liberty Bowl or death. The point
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being is Ohio State's the first team in college football
history that has been allowed to make a couple of mistakes.
The Oregon loss. Who's winning at Otson? How about we
start with nobody.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, they had a bad game against Michigan.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Great coach Andy Reids had bad games in Philadelphia. They
ran him out of town. He had bad games. Tom
Brady had bad games. He git a pick six in
the Super Bowl. So finally, finally you can take different
paths to a Natty. It's not perfection. By the way,
how many seventeen to no NFL teams there been And
if Penn State gets to the Natty, they will have
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played seven team games and you're.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Holding him to a perfect standard.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
In a sport football where a guy jars the ball loose,
if you fumble it the one out of the end zone,
the other team gets the ball and it can ruin
your season. Let kids make mistakes. When you were a
freshman or sophomore in college, did you have it all
buttoned up your first semester in September? College football is
getting more and more like the NFL, And finally we're
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allowing a team like Ohio State with this transfer portal
where chemistry challenges, especially at quarterback or a real issue.
Nobody knew what they were getting with Will Howard. I
watched the MC Kansas State. I was like, yeah, it's
gonna be pretty good, and then I thought it was
pretty good, and that against Michigan. He was pretty bad
and it's you know, he had a bad game because
all quarterbacks do, including Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes
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stunk earlier this year. Now he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So you gotta let you gotta let the cake bake.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
In Ohio State, Ryan Day is secure, has the best team,
and here he is after dominating the Ducks.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I know that, you know, there are some of your
experiences and this team has had great wins this season,
it's had some tough losses, and you know, we have
learned shag notes and you got to grow and you've
got to build, and you've got to make sure you're,
you know, focusing on your strengths and making sure that
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you know, you understand what your your weaknesses are. And
you know, we're at a place where you know, you
can you can hear a lot of noise.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
But they didn't do that. And I'm very very proud
of our staff. I'm very very proud of our players.
But we're far from done.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All those Buckeye fans are now erasing their posts on
buckeyes dot com and reddit boards. Get him out of here.
No terrible loss, suffered some pain. What does pain, create
for all of us toughness and resiliency, and rethink the
way your football team's operating. Ohio State, check check check
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did all of those, and now that the best team
in college football. Okay, let's talk Texas Texas football. As
a saying in Texas all had no cattle sometimes Texas
is all talent, no discipline. How many penalties they had?
I don't know how many three and outs did they have?
So first of all, let's talk about Arizona State. Let's
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just give them a minute of love. Here outplayed out,
schemed out coach Texas. Here's another out, an out rageously
missed targeting call that would have probably given Arizona State,
which had all the momentum the win. What a coach
Dillingham three and nine last year, picked for sixteenth in
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the Big Ten this year, no five star players should
have beaten Texas. And yes, that's targeting. In every game
I've ever watched, I don't like the call. I don't
like when they throw college players out of games, but
that's targeting. Yes, Texas had the deeper roster, the more
NFL bodies, and you listen, there are splash team. They
average ten point seven yards of pass. That is Texas.
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But I think they're going to get rolled by Ohio State,
who's playing with a level of defensive violence and offensive
perfection that has just looks like a Sunday team. So
you know Sark and I like Sark, and I consider
him a coaching friend, right, like somebody in coaching I
could call and ask a question. They're saying, all year
has been all gas, no breaks. They need some breaks.
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They need to stop the car, pull over, go to
a rest area, wash off, and figure out what they are,
because that's not meeting Ohio State. Ten penalties, three and outs,
now they are a splash team, and in fourth quarter
to tie it up, and then in overtime a couple
overtime passes, like that's what they are. That's what they are.
But in between these amazing plays by these amazing Texas
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Longhorn athletes, you can't have ten penalties, you can't miss assignments.
I mean, it looked like Arizona State really could not
wait to play another game. They were so intent, playing
with such intention and urgency. And sometimes I just feel
like my entire life this has been Texas football. I
feel like they should be six time national champs, not
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that one. Vince young team and disappointment. I can't explain it.
I thought Arizona State outplayed them. I thought they got
hosed on a call. Yes, I do think Texas matches
up with Ohio State better more NFL bodies. They're only
a six point underdog this morning. I'll take Ohio State.
But I guess they were resilient. That's what Sark said
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after The.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
One thing that I know about our group is when
our backs are against the wall and when our best
is needed, our best shows up time and time again.
And the resiliency that these guys showed today was something
as a coach, makes you really crowd.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, well, they didn't show up twice against Georgia and
that targeting call gets called, which it should have been,
and they don't beat Arizona State. So they're kind of
an all or nothing team, right Like it's the report
card is a plus and d there's a and I'm
never quite sure what I'm getting with Texas football. I've
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said this before. I love Texas football. As a kid,
I had never gone to Texas. It was the uniforms,
the hook them, the horns, the rust orange. I don't
know what it was. They just had good players and
they were in big games. And it was at a
time when Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas were huge in Nebraska
and Oklahoma board me and I was fascinated with Texas.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I've always been pulling for him.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
When they beat USC you know, my team for the
national Championship, I was like, well, if somebody had to
beat this, it'd be okay if it's Texas. But I
watched that game and I'm like, all gas, no breaks,
pump the brakes, pull over, rest area, figure it out,
wash off. I can't ever get my arms around them.
I know when they come out of the tunnel or
in the hotel lobby. They have looked like the best
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team in college football ten times in the last twenty years.
But man, I can't get my arms around him. I
feel like even Oregon in the loss, I know what
they are. Penn State, I've figured out. Notre Dame. I
like them tonight. I kind of know what they are
and what they're not. Ohio State, get out of their way. Texas.
They should change their their helmet to a big question
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mark because I don't know what I'm getting. First half
to second, first series to third. But congratulations on the
win and again Dillingham, that program, I'll tell you what
they want a lot of fans because Dillingham grew up
around Arizona State, like he always wanted to be the
coach of Arizona State. So he's not going to be
a guy that just jumps to another job. And Arizona State,
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if you live out west, has always been kind of
one of those sleeping giants when you're like, whins, Arizona
State gonna roll the table. I mean they got as
much money as Oregon, right, I mean they don't have
a Phil Knight, but I don't know. I watched Arizona
State and I'm like, boy, that was their turnout, their team,
their effort, that running back, easy team to like. So
congrats and Tempe to all those fans, you got yourself
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a rock start head coach Jay Mackett.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Was a fun day. There's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
There's a really interesting interesting story out there, Adam Schefter
put out. And you know how sometimes you and I,
you know, we sit and watch try to read the
tea leaves. We kind of we kind of watch sports
as it develops. And I've always said on this show.
When you do a three hour show like ours, you
know we can do journalism lifting, but mostly you know
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where we're We have to have an opinion on a
story if it breaks without having it fully connected. And
so I there's something that happened this year in the
NFL with with what we perceive as a great coach,
Kevin O'Connell, And when they made the move, I thought
it was a little curious, but it wasn't a big
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enough story to spend a lot of time on it.
It is starting to make sense why they brought Daniel
Jones to the Vikings. Oh okay, it's starting to make
a little Generally, you don't bring another team's quarterback in
who got pushed out the door on your roster when
you have your two quarterbacks. Well, I got to say,
(12:10):
I don't know what you're talking about with Schefter, because
one of my New Year's resolutions less social media.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's very difficult. But I have no idea what Jefter said.
So I'm fascinated by this topic. You don't have to
give up a feeling. I know where you're going.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Okay, you don't have to give up all social media.
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Speaker 1 (13:31):
So this is a real story, people, I trust. Adam
Schefter said, teams are going to call the Vikings on
JJ McCarthy. Of course they are. He's talented, and it's
a terrible quarterback draft, and seven teams need a quarterback.
Diana Russini reports the Vikings want Donald back. Of course
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they do. He's got an argument to be MVP. And
Donald doesn't even turn twenty eight until down the road.
So it's like Darnald's in his prime for five years.
So JJ McCarthy, Michigan quarterback, was the one quarterback I
wasn't sold on in this draft. I mean, he was
fifty third in pass attempts his last year in college
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in the same number of games. Michael Pennix was number one.
I thought Pennis threw a better ball. Bo Nix was
more experienced than more athletic. I thought Caleb and Jayden
Daniels were better, and I thought Drake may had a
higher ceiling. He could work. He was kind of good
in the preseason. What does that mean? Dak looked great
in the preseason. Dak's talented, Dak's a starter, but as
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Dak ever had a year that looks like Donald not
to me, And so this is something to remember. Why
did the Minnesota Vikings in November bringing Daniel Jones? Why
because maybe they were ahead of us. The Vikings don't
have a second round pick, a third round pick, or
a fourth round pick. It's a terrible quarterback class Seattle.
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You think they're going to go back with Geno Smith again.
They can get JJ McCarthy for a second and a fourth,
maybe a second, fourth and fifth. Vikings get their draft picks.
They're franchise tagging at minimum. Sam Donald. Kevin O'Connell liked
Sam Donald before he was a Viking. Kyle Shanahan like
Donald before.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He was a Niner.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Now he's putting up an MVP season. They've made a decision.
We like Donald, We're not letting them go. Why do
they bring in Daniel Jones because they wanted to get
him into the system ready to play for a playoff game.
And my take, they'll rehab Daniel Jones like they rehabbed
Sam Donald, and I think JJ McCarthy is good enough.
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In a week quarterback draft class to fetch you multiple picks,
which if you're in the NFC North stacked, Green Bay roster, stack,
Detroit roster, Chicago's going to get their act together. You
need draft picks. If you're paying Sam Donald's big boy money,
you need draft picks. Vikings don't have any. They got
a first and a couple of fifts. They don't have
any draft picks. Seattle's drafting eighteenth they need a quarterback
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because they got a super Bowl roster. I totally get
Seattle saying we're gonna have to start paying some of
these stars we have. Let's roll up with JJ McCarthy.
If I ran Seattle, John Snyder, I make the deal tomorrow.
I'd make the deal tomorrow, reset the clock. JJ McCarthy
don't have to pay him for four years with this
Seattle talented roster. Worried about a year, You're gonna have
to start paying people big boy money. Vikings don't have
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any picks, so this stuff is starting.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
To add up.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I got nothing against JJ McCarthy, but you can't let
Sam Donald walk out of the room and Daniel Jones
as a backup, A big, strong, athletic backup would be
arguably the best backup quarterback in the league, and he's
already shown. Remember McCarthy's already had two surgeries, He's never
played an NFL game. Donald's an MVP level player, and
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Daniel Jones won a playoff game against those Vikings. So
my take is JJ McCarthy, I think deep down they
are strongly considering moving him. That is my take. I
don't think it's a wild take. The Vikings cannot pay
Donald a fortune and have no draft picks. You cannot
in a division with the stacked Lions and Stackpackers, go yeah,
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we got a first round picking some fives. Do that
roster's already arguably the third or fourth best roster in
that division. You need draft picks, you need a second,
a third, and a fourth. And I think JJ McCarthy
in a week draft, I think Minnesota has leverage. They
don't have to get rid of him, and it's not
like they don't like him.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You could like.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
People and trade them. But the dilemma is a great
dilemma to have. We had no idea Sam Donald was
the third best quarterback in the league. That's a great
It's like when people can played about taxes. It's one
of the better problems to have. You're paying a lot
of taxes, you're making a lot of money. I don't
like paying them either, but it's one of the better problems.
Sam Darnald created a problem. He is way better than
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any of us thought.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And I'm a.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
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Speaker 1 (18:04):
No person in my life have I ever met that
knows more about quarterbacks than Jordan Palmer, founder of QB Summit.
He has worked with all of them, the Burrows, the Mahomes,
the Josh Allen's. He was the first person to tip
me off on Josh Allen. We were talking about Donald
and he said, keep your eye on this Josh Allen
kid before anybody else did. And I got so many
questions to ask you. I'm going to ask you about
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the rookie NFL quarterbacks. I'm going to ask you about
Riley Leonard, who nobody's paying attention to, and Jalen Milroe,
who I think is better than people think. But I
want to start with this. You are right now. I
think you're an active quarterback consultant with Darnald. Yeah, so
Sam calls you regularly what unlocked? We know Kevin O'Connor's
a good coach, but what unlocked, the star power, the juice?
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What was unlocked? Because you always talk about that on
this show. We got to unlock something. What was it
with Sam?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
His talent hasn't changed, right, He hasn't grown two inches
since the draft. He hasn't gotten way faster. All these
players careers should evolve. They're throwing mechanics should evolve, they're
understanding of defenses, so that there's been an evolution over
the last six years. The other thing is I don't
think he'd river really been through a ton of adversity.
You know in high school and college right kind of
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was a meteoric deal here, and then just getting drug
through the mud for multiple years, getting traded away for
nothing I think hardened him. And yes, the Kevin O'Connell,
the pieces in the huddle. We don't need to spend
time talking about how good the Minnesota Viking's roster in
front office and coaching staff is because that's all everybody's
talking about.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
The thing.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
The biggest thing for him that I've seen is that
in all of those years of kind of getting punched
in the gut media and the teams and traded and
all that.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I just never saw him cut a corner.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
I've never had this guy show up fifteen minutes late,
have to bail early.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I've just never seen it.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
And the way that I work with him and Joe
Burrow as well, is it really is an annual relationship where, yes,
the off season we try and find similar to what
Tom Brady used to talk about, try and find one
or two things right, because when you get to the
level where you're playing, where Sam is right now and
Joe is right now, there's still an off season coming up.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
They're still going to try and get better.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
And so what we do is in the off season
we build the programming and look at what has been
working and what can you build on. And then in season,
every single week we're reviewing things. And there's three categories. One,
what are you doing great that you need to continue
to do great, let's highlight it. What do you need
to work on, which means you used to do it
better than you did and it's taking a step back
for whatever reason. And then the third one is something
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to think about maybe something showed up in somebody else's game,
Sam's attention and focus on those things, regardless of how
bad it was going, and right now how well it
is going. The fact that his approach hasn't changed, I
think is really actually like a superpower. Your willingness to
buy in find individual things to get better at is
the superpower. And there's a perfect example. So by week
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it was week six, I think this year for them,
he comes out here and spend a day together, and
at that point this season, at that point in the season,
I think it was twenty four point eight percent of
his misses, not necessarily in completions, just a little off,
was outbreaking routes to the right. Identify a mechanical issue,
not drawn the shoulder in whatever the details were, address it,
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Show how he can work on it at home, how
he can work on it in practice, what he can
add to warm ups, And from the bye week to
now he's got one miss on an outbreaking route to
the right and the ball slipped out of his hand.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Isn't that great?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I love this stuff. I want him to tell you
a story, folks. So Josh Allen, he was the first,
got to tip me off on Josh Allen. So Josh Allen,
now doesn't take the sacks and doesn't throw picks, and
there's a fascinating you go deep into the numbers. It
used to be a thing you after a couple of years,
found something rolling right that was a problem. Tell the
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audience this story on Josh Allen.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
Well, I think what started the Josh Allen hype train
at Wyoming because it wasn't because they won it all
or when undefeated. Right, it was a play he made
versus Boise State. He's rolling right and he threw it
about forty five yards back corner of the end zone,
and it was one of those well, I don't know
anybody who can make that throw type of throws. And
then I think he was on Sports Illustrated and they
were maybe gonna have gamed and it just kind of
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started to happen. Right, started to the hype train, whatever
that means, started to roll. And then he got a
lot of positive reinforcement from that. Right, Like, all of
a sudden, everyone's talking about you and you see yourself
on TV and they keep showing that play and he's
so good at it. So he would roll right, and
when he roll right, he would make unbelievable throws down
the field and kept chasing it when he got early
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in the first two years, and Brian Dable was, you know,
developing him and and really they were developing that team
because Bills.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Fans know this.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Everyone forget like his number one receiver his rookie year
was Kelvin Benjamin. Ye, like this is not he didn't
step into some perfect situation. But really, through the first
two years, I think he was high fifties completion percentage.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, and when he would roll right.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
And at the time, I think I wrote it all down,
but it was, you know, rolling right. You've got this
many you know, ten touchdowns, fifteen unbelievable throws, thirteen picks
and a bunch of hits, a bunch of you getting
pushed or getting tackled and landing on your right shoulder,
and you only get so many of us.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's right to hear that. So he kept falling on
his right shoulder. You discovered that, and then it.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Just it needs to become an asset because you have
the highest level.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Now what's happened to him?
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Well, I think now teams are sitting here going we
can't let him roll right because he's not turning it over.
He's not taking unnecessary hits, and I think he's one
of the most dynamic runners.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Not at the quarterback position in the league.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So I've never heard anybody even discuss this. You just
didn't like him falling on his right shoulder because your belief,
and it's true, is your body gives you about three
hundred of those and then and then it availability.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
It's the whole like, what's your bestibility conversation? Well, availability is.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, I want to talk about another NFL quarterback. You're
a very optimistic positive quarterback guru, I of course tend.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
To come off as a negative. I like rock Party.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But the theory on quarterbacks the if bucket after about
three ifs, I'm not paying you starting with a five,
you're a three or a four. If it's not raining,
if he gets protection, if he has McCaffrey, if he's leading,
the numbers tell you trailing fourth quarter in not the
same quite the same quarterback. I couldn't pay Brock a fortune.
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I like him, I don't love him. Why should I
love him? What do you see with him?
Speaker 8 (24:27):
I think, Uh, were's so many ways for us to
come to a conclusion or an opinion on somebody, right,
So stats depending on who you are and what you're
doing for a living, right, like stats is one tape
for certain people, or if you're in the media, tapes
less relevant. If you're in a front office, stats are
less relevant, you know what I mean? Sure, depends on
what context you're looking at it through. I with Brock
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look at it like what situations have we put him
in and how is he handled it?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
And when you've had a.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
Healthy, good roster, he's basically played like one of the
best quarterbacks in the league, and at least in my opinion,
last the way that he yes, the plays that he made,
the mistakes that he didn't make and avoided, but then
the way that he went through the playoffs and played
great didn't change the whole leadership element that really only
the people in the building can speak to.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Right, We can all have opinions, but you're there.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
And Sam Darnold backed him up last year, so I
got a chance to hear just how mature and focused
and confident this guy remained all the way through the
Super Bowl, Right, And so if we build around him,
this is a guy that I don't know if it
starts with the five, but it definitely starts with a
three or four. If you're asking me like it's a yeah,
you give him a ton of money. You give them
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a three year deal. If the left tackles hurt and
the running backs out and the receivers out, he's not
as good. Well, if you pay the quarterback, then John
Lynch's job is to build around him. And I think
there's two things the Niners have done a really good
job of. One of them is evaluating talent, finding good players.
I don't know the name of the running back for
them who's playing.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Well right now.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
The second thing they've done is developed players. And so
if you're if you're a Niners fan, you go, let's
lock in brock Purty. I don't I don't like the
whole Franchise him and make him play it, make him
prove it. He's proven it, so pay him and then
do a great job of evaluating talent and and developing
the talent around him.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And you know he may.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Lose debo this year for whatever reason. Well you drafted
Ricky Pearsall in the first round. I think they did
a good job evaluating talent, and now it's not to
develop them.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I want to go, let's talk a couple of rookies.
You have kind of an interesting belief on Caleb Williams,
who has had the roughest rookie season, and your belief is.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
What the talent is there, worthy of being the number
one pick, worthy of being the Heisman Trophy winner, worthy
of being the Elite eleven MVP and number one recruit
in the country. Like that, that part hasn't changed for me.
I think, Uh, however you want to classify this, I
would put it in the field. Let's just use this
word failure. Okay, this hasn't been the CJ Stroud year
from last year, right or Jayden from this year. So
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for his standards, which has been number one, number one
or one like all the way through, this is a
step back.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Whatever.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
If this is classified as a failure, not that it's
his fault, right all the pieces around him. I think
for guys who've had nothing but success, a failure year
where it didn't go the way that you had envisioned
actually can be really good for your growth. I think
it's been really good for a lot of people's gross
in the background in the past.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I think it's been good for Sam Darnold's development.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Just like when we look at Josh Allen and we
say no offers had to go to Juca. Well, that
was failure early, it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
I think a healthy dose of a tough year for
the incredibly confident and incredibly talented players, which is what
Caleb Williams is. I think it can actually do wonders
and I think we're going to see his best ball
ahead of him. And I'm not really concerned with Caleb's
future looking out. I think he's in a really tough
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spot right now and he needs to get better. And
for the first time in his life, in his football career,
it's not just him wanting to get better.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
It's obvious he needs to improve. He needs to find
ways to improve.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I think that's healthy for the really elite thinkers, really
elite confidence guys, and the really elite talents.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, I got to ask you about two college guys
because there will be a guy in this draft I'm
targeting Riley Leonard. I'll get to him in a second.
Notre Dame quarterback. I like him a lot, but again,
he came from Duke. It's a new system. Notre Dame
is asking a lot of him, and it took a
while to get going, but he's been very good lately.
But Jalen Milroe's fascinating. My comp is he's a much
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better Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I would absolutely draft him, not as my first quarterback,
maybe not as my second. I think he's a first
round quarterback. What do you see You've been so good
on this through the years. What do you see with
Jalen Milroe that, if I'm right, that makes him a
first round quarterback?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Well, I look for anybody looks for unique traits.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
And when I say unique, I don't mean one of
the you know, unique, The word means like there's not
another one like it. Sure right, And he has two
so one the first one is at the athleticism. I
he's a client of mine. I've been a tusclos a
hndful of times this year. And uh And the same
thing that I said with with Joe and Sam, it's
(29:23):
I've got ten college guys where we we work throughout
the entire year.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
We talk every single week and go through things.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
I've been out there that little Ryan Williams receiver, the
rookie goes out there, I go, hey, Hey, how fast
is Jalen compared to the other guys on the team.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Him and other guys are like, well, Jaylen's the fastest
kind of the team.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Jalens faster than Williams.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I think Jalen's the fastest kind of the team. Not
anything guys at Albama would say that. So he's not
like going to run a fast forty. He's like the
fastest guy on the field. Okay, so that's unique. Faster
than the others definition in Alabama, yeah, or on any field,
and so you go, Okay, the athleticism and get to
full speeds another thing, because a lot of guys have
top end speed. But you know, we saw guys like
Vince Young like that not necessarily translate the running in
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the NFL because some guys it takes a lot longer
to get to their time might be fast.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
This's full speed like three steps.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
So the athleticism is unique, and they'll be Lamar Jackson
comps in terms of you know, the draft and coming out.
But he's got like twenty pounds on Lamar, So he's
a bigger, stronger.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Little mechanical for my taste, what do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah? And I think like I said earlier.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Everybody's throwing motion mechanic like that all evolves. And what
I have seen from him is the buy and the
attention to it and the professionals, and how he looks
at developing it, not just going I've got a super
strong arm and I'm gonna roll with it, which a
lot of people do. I don't think it's gonna affect
anything moving forward. I think the first one is the athleticism.
The second thing is his personality. Once he goes through
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this draft process, folks like you, front offices, teams meet
him like this dude's a magnet.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
This guy's a light like he is that cool to
be around.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
And so those two unique traits will stand out as
the process unfolds.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
The tape will be the tape.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
There's some good, there's some bad, like everybody, and I
think somebody's gonna fall in love with him, and he's
gonna go higher than some people thought, and as high
as I.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Thought, Riley Leonard. People roll their eyes at me. I
see a little Josh Allen, tall athletic. Marcus Freeman tells me,
relentless competitor, He like all these young guys. Duke didn't
ask him to do what Notre Dame is didn't love him.
Early after about week five, six seven, I'm like, I
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don't know, folks, tall, rangy, athletic arm is there something there?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Am I nuts?
Speaker 8 (31:37):
Absolutely no, not nuts. I think this guy's gonna be
a really good player, really athletic.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
His basketball tapes's insane.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Yeah, and just it shows up like some guys are
great basketball players, and you would have you know, you
would have never known it. Some guys you watch their
tape and I tell you they're great basketball.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
You go, oh, that makes sense, you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (31:54):
And so with him, I think all the mobility stuff
that he has. I don't know what his forty time is.
I don't care. That part translates. Running in the league
as a quarterback is like the sum of six and
eight yard games.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's not the fifty five years, right right, yeah? Right?
Speaker 8 (32:10):
And then I like guys that have gone to another
school for their last year and played well because it's
there's a lot of newness. It's similar to a rookie year. Yeah,
you go from Duke to Notre Dame. It's not just
new for you, it's now it's Notre Dame. It's a
new lot of academic Yeah, the magnitude of it, all
the stuff you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You know they're gonna pay you, and I owe money.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
That means you've got to do a lot of stuff right, right,
and you got to be a lot of places and
talk to a lot of people. And then the new
teammates and then they had a bad loss in Northern Illinois. Yeah,
and it totally could have caved and it didn't. They're
on like an eight or nine game heater. I think
Marcus Freeman deserves a lot of credit for that. I
think Riley Leonard does two.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay, So it's called QB Summit. It's a program that
helps quarterbacks reach their potential. He's had Burrow golf, Trevor
Lawrence Bownecks. By the way, Bonex, you liked it, Has
it been what you thought?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
I think it's the perfect pairing between him and Sean
And there's so much of Bow's not just game but personality.
He's intense, it's similar to Dewbrees right, very mature, he's married,
he's like he's dealt with adversity.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
He kind of goes better than I thought, and he's a.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Lot more athletic than anybody getting credit for. He moves, Yes,
he moves, and so I think it's been exactly what
Sean Payton was hoping it would be and the best
balls ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Did Sean call you?
Speaker 8 (33:28):
He did not, But but I think he's I think
he got exactly what he was looking for.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
And yeah, I mean he had so many starts in
college that he was one of those you kind of
knew what you were getting. But I will say this,
I didn't think I thought his arm was Derek carr
Ish kind of in the same thing. And then I've
watched them deliver some deep throws and I'm like, well,
Aaron Rodgers' arm got stronger in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
It all evolves absolutely, And the way this guy approaches
his development and his game is like some of these
other guys I've talked about, where it's like he's doing
it like he's been in the league for a long
time and already knows what it needs to work on.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
How do you make I'm not that I'm going to
go out and throw football. How do you make your
arm stronger? Aaron's was strong in college. It's insane. Now,
what's it's not a bench press. Is it why I'm metrics?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (34:12):
No?
Speaker 8 (34:12):
I think it starts with the Burrow's a perfect example
because even though he torched college football, his arm has
gotten a lot stronger really coming off the ACL, because
when you can better understand one, there's the strength component,
but when you can better understand how to use the ground.
So let's just say, when I go to throw and
I lift my left foot in the air, one hundred
percent of the force that I'm putting in the ground
is through my right foot right because my left is
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on the ground. And then at some point when I'm
throwing the football, all that goes to the left foot,
my right foot leaves the gun. So it's really a
conversation around how much force am I putting into the
ground and how is that transfer from my back foot
to my front foot happening when you can do that
and build it all the way up. And so for Joe,
like I said on the annual basis, he's coming off
of a very scary wrist injury. Yeah, we forget about
(34:54):
it now because he's like up for MVP, But like, well,
hold on, this was a rare one. You know, this
isn't an ACL that million people get those. This was
a rare wrist injury. So he executed this plan of
having to recruit more things so come January he doesn't
have to compensate and pronator his wrist and create an issue.
And so whether you're increasing your your velocity or you're
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a big strong arm guy trying to get more touch,
it's the same thing. It's how am I playing force
to the ground and how is that transferring?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Jordan Palmer, it's great Scenia again, thanks for having me.
Happy holidays. Your your brother Carson Palmer now is coaching
his son.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
At Santa Margarita. That's that's as Trinity League. They got
Modern Day and Bosco big boy football.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, and his son's pretty good, right.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah, he's a good little player.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, great, senior man.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Thanks for having me.
Here we going to Thursday live in Los Angeles. It's
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(00:24):
Oregon Ducks. Watching college football yesterday, the smoke is starting
to clear. It looks like Ohio State is coming through
the fog.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Imagine that.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, we both liked Ohio State yesterday. We kind of
felt like that was the play yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Ryan Day keeping his job. Huh, nice job by him.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, Ryan Day's in line for a Natty potentially. So
There's always been an understanding in the NFL that football,
real football, starts post Thanksgiving, that you want to be
peaking in December and January. You can experiment in septeb
It's not punitive if you lose a couple of games
by early October. Meanwhile, college football, with the younger athletes
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who have to go to school, why they play, there's
been this unhealthy and unrealistic standard that you've got to
be on your a game and perfect starting Labor Day
weekend stumble in October, you are unworthy. Off to the
Fiesta Bowl, Off to the Citrus Bowl, Off to the.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Pop Tart Bowl. But now you're allowed to grow.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And Ohio State is the first team in college football
history allowed to grow. They had a close loss early
at Outsin all right, Uh, they were awful at home
and stumbled against Michigan late. All right, But they did
beat Penn State and blew out a lot of teams.
So you know what, we're gonna let him in.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
We're gon We're gonna let him in.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And they've been the best team easily in the tournament.
Ryan Day, get him out of here. Oh wait, my bad,
he had a bad Saturday. Will Howard had a bad Saturday. Yeah,
it was late in the season. That would have disqualified
them my entire life. The Buckeyes this moment are easily
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the best team in college football. Why did it take
so long?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Their best player player, Jeremiah Smith, receiver. He was in
high school last year. Their second best player Caleb Downs,
he's a sophomore and a transfer. Also, yeah, they're quarterback
transferred too. It takes a while. Sometimes you gotta let
the cake bake. By the way, Notre Dame lost in
Northern Illinois earlier this year. How is that possible? Because
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they had a transfer quarterback? Who now Riley Leonard's playing really,
really well in the NFL. You've always been given time.
Tom Brady won a Super Bowl in week ten eleven twelve.
That Tampa Bay team was terrible. They got hot. Then
Peyton Manning had a team in Denver. They were two
and two in December and January, and they got hot
in one The Kansas City Chiefs the last two years,
(03:04):
I mean last year, Kansas City lost to the Raiders
late in the year. Yet they were the best team
in football. Yet we've always held college kids to this
unbelievable standard of well, what do you mean you loss
to Purdue October first, you're out of here. Liberty Ball
or nothing, give me Liberty Bowl or death. The point
(03:26):
being is Ohio State's the first team in college football
history that has been allowed to make a couple of mistakes.
The Oregon loss. Who's winning at Otson? How about we
start with nobody.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, they had a bad game against Michigan.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Great coach Andy Reids had bad games in Philadelphia. They
ran him out of town. He had bad games. Tom
Brady had bad games. He git a pick six in
the Super Bowl. So finally, finally you can take different
paths to a Natty. It's not perfection. By the way,
how many seventeen to no NFL teams there been And
if Penn State gets to the Natty, they will have
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played seven team games and you're.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Holding him to a perfect standard.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
In a sport football where a guy jars the ball loose,
if you fumble it the one out of the end zone,
the other team gets the ball and it can ruin
your season. Let kids make mistakes. When you were a
freshman or sophomore in college, did you have it all
buttoned up your first semester in September? College football is
getting more and more like the NFL, And finally we're
(04:27):
allowing a team like Ohio State with this transfer portal
where chemistry challenges, especially at quarterback or a real issue.
Nobody knew what they were getting with Will Howard. I
watched the MC Kansas State. I was like, yeah, it's
gonna be pretty good, and then I thought it was
pretty good, and that against Michigan. He was pretty bad
and it's you know, he had a bad game because
all quarterbacks do, including Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes
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stunk earlier this year. Now he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So you gotta let you gotta let the cake bake.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
In Ohio State, Ryan Day is secure, has the best team,
and here he is after dominating the Ducks.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I know that, you know, there are some of your
experiences and this team has had great wins this season,
it's had some tough losses, and you know, we have
learned shag notes and you got to grow and you've
got to build, and you've got to make sure you're,
you know, focusing on your strengths and making sure that
(05:23):
you know, you understand what your your weaknesses are. And
you know, we're at a place where you know, you
can you can hear a lot of noise.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
But they didn't do that. And I'm very very proud
of our staff. I'm very very proud of our players.
But we're far from done.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All those Buckeye fans are now erasing their posts on
buckeyes dot com and reddit boards. Get him out of here.
No terrible loss, suffered some pain. What does pain, create
for all of us toughness and resiliency, and rethink the
way your football team's operating. Ohio State, check check check
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did all of those, and now that the best team
in college football. Okay, let's talk Texas Texas football. As
a saying in Texas all had no cattle sometimes Texas
is all talent, no discipline. How many penalties they had?
I don't know how many three and outs did they have?
So first of all, let's talk about Arizona State. Let's
(06:19):
just give them a minute of love. Here outplayed out,
schemed out coach Texas. Here's another out, an out rageously
missed targeting call that would have probably given Arizona State,
which had all the momentum the win. What a coach
Dillingham three and nine last year, picked for sixteenth in
(06:40):
the Big Ten this year, no five star players should
have beaten Texas. And yes, that's targeting. In every game
I've ever watched, I don't like the call. I don't
like when they throw college players out of games, but
that's targeting. Yes, Texas had the deeper roster, the more
NFL bodies, and you listen, there are splash team. They
average ten point seven yards of pass. That is Texas.
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But I think they're going to get rolled by Ohio State,
who's playing with a level of defensive violence and offensive
perfection that has just looks like a Sunday team. So
you know Sark and I like Sark, and I consider
him a coaching friend, right, like somebody in coaching I
could call and ask a question. They're saying, all year
has been all gas, no breaks. They need some breaks.
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They need to stop the car, pull over, go to
a rest area, wash off, and figure out what they are,
because that's not meeting Ohio State. Ten penalties, three and outs,
now they are a splash team, and in fourth quarter
to tie it up, and then in overtime a couple
overtime passes, like that's what they are. That's what they are.
But in between these amazing plays by these amazing Texas
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Longhorn athletes, you can't have ten penalties, you can't miss assignments.
I mean, it looked like Arizona State really could not
wait to play another game. They were so intent, playing
with such intention and urgency. And sometimes I just feel
like my entire life this has been Texas football. I
feel like they should be six time national champs, not
(08:14):
that one. Vince young team and disappointment. I can't explain it.
I thought Arizona State outplayed them. I thought they got
hosed on a call. Yes, I do think Texas matches
up with Ohio State better more NFL bodies. They're only
a six point underdog this morning. I'll take Ohio State.
But I guess they were resilient. That's what Sark said
(08:39):
after The.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
One thing that I know about our group is when
our backs are against the wall and when our best
is needed, our best shows up time and time again.
And the resiliency that these guys showed today was something
as a coach, makes you really crowd.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, well, they didn't show up twice against Georgia and
that targeting call gets called, which it should have been,
and they don't beat Arizona State. So they're kind of
an all or nothing team, right Like it's the report
card is a plus and d there's a and I'm
never quite sure what I'm getting with Texas football. I've
(09:17):
said this before. I love Texas football. As a kid,
I had never gone to Texas. It was the uniforms,
the hook them, the horns, the rust orange. I don't
know what it was. They just had good players and
they were in big games. And it was at a
time when Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas were huge in Nebraska
and Oklahoma board me and I was fascinated with Texas.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I've always been pulling for him.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
When they beat USC you know, my team for the
national Championship, I was like, well, if somebody had to
beat this, it'd be okay if it's Texas. But I
watched that game and I'm like, all gas, no breaks,
pump the brakes, pull over, rest area, figure it out,
wash off. I can't ever get my arms around them.
I know when they come out of the tunnel or
in the hotel lobby. They have looked like the best
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team in college football ten times in the last twenty years.
But man, I can't get my arms around him. I
feel like even Oregon in the loss, I know what
they are. Penn State, I've figured out. Notre Dame. I
like them tonight. I kind of know what they are
and what they're not. Ohio State, get out of their way. Texas.
They should change their their helmet to a big question
(10:20):
mark because I don't know what I'm getting. First half
to second, first series to third. But congratulations on the
win and again Dillingham, that program, I'll tell you what
they want a lot of fans because Dillingham grew up
around Arizona State, like he always wanted to be the
coach of Arizona State. So he's not going to be
a guy that just jumps to another job. And Arizona State,
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if you live out west, has always been kind of
one of those sleeping giants when you're like, whins, Arizona
State gonna roll the table. I mean they got as
much money as Oregon, right, I mean they don't have
a Phil Knight, but I don't know. I watched Arizona
State and I'm like, boy, that was their turnout, their team,
their effort, that running back, easy team to like. So
congrats and Tempe to all those fans, you got yourself
(11:01):
a rock start head coach Jay Mackett.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Was a fun day. There's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
There's a really interesting interesting story out there, Adam Schefter
put out. And you know how sometimes you and I,
you know, we sit and watch try to read the
tea leaves. We kind of we kind of watch sports
as it develops. And I've always said on this show.
When you do a three hour show like ours, you
know we can do journalism lifting, but mostly you know
(11:28):
where we're We have to have an opinion on a
story if it breaks without having it fully connected. And
so I there's something that happened this year in the
NFL with with what we perceive as a great coach,
Kevin O'Connell, And when they made the move, I thought
it was a little curious, but it wasn't a big
(11:48):
enough story to spend a lot of time on it.
It is starting to make sense why they brought Daniel
Jones to the Vikings. Oh okay, it's starting to make
a little Generally, you don't bring another team's quarterback in
who got pushed out the door on your roster when
you have your two quarterbacks. Well, I got to say,
(12:10):
I don't know what you're talking about with Schefter, because
one of my New Year's resolutions less social media.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's very difficult. But I have no idea what Jefter said.
So I'm fascinated by this topic. You don't have to
give up a feeling. I know where you're going.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Okay, you don't have to give up all social media.
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Speaker 1 (13:31):
So this is a real story, people, I trust. Adam
Schefter said, teams are going to call the Vikings on
JJ McCarthy. Of course they are. He's talented, and it's
a terrible quarterback draft, and seven teams need a quarterback.
Diana Russini reports the Vikings want Donald back. Of course
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they do. He's got an argument to be MVP. And
Donald doesn't even turn twenty eight until down the road.
So it's like Darnald's in his prime for five years.
So JJ McCarthy, Michigan quarterback, was the one quarterback I
wasn't sold on in this draft. I mean, he was
fifty third in pass attempts his last year in college
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in the same number of games. Michael Pennix was number one.
I thought Pennis threw a better ball. Bo Nix was
more experienced than more athletic. I thought Caleb and Jayden
Daniels were better, and I thought Drake may had a
higher ceiling. He could work. He was kind of good
in the preseason. What does that mean? Dak looked great
in the preseason. Dak's talented, Dak's a starter, but as
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Dak ever had a year that looks like Donald not
to me, And so this is something to remember. Why
did the Minnesota Vikings in November bringing Daniel Jones? Why
because maybe they were ahead of us. The Vikings don't
have a second round pick, a third round pick, or
a fourth round pick. It's a terrible quarterback class Seattle.
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You think they're going to go back with Geno Smith again.
They can get JJ McCarthy for a second and a fourth,
maybe a second, fourth and fifth. Vikings get their draft picks.
They're franchise tagging at minimum. Sam Donald. Kevin O'Connell liked
Sam Donald before he was a Viking. Kyle Shanahan like
Donald before.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He was a Niner.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Now he's putting up an MVP season. They've made a decision.
We like Donald, We're not letting them go. Why do
they bring in Daniel Jones because they wanted to get
him into the system ready to play for a playoff game.
And my take, they'll rehab Daniel Jones like they rehabbed
Sam Donald, and I think JJ McCarthy is good enough.
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In a week quarterback draft class to fetch you multiple picks,
which if you're in the NFC North stacked, Green Bay roster, stack,
Detroit roster, Chicago's going to get their act together. You
need draft picks. If you're paying Sam Donald's big boy money,
you need draft picks. Vikings don't have any. They got
a first and a couple of fifts. They don't have
any draft picks. Seattle's drafting eighteenth they need a quarterback
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because they got a super Bowl roster. I totally get
Seattle saying we're gonna have to start paying some of
these stars we have. Let's roll up with JJ McCarthy.
If I ran Seattle, John Snyder, I make the deal tomorrow.
I'd make the deal tomorrow, reset the clock. JJ McCarthy
don't have to pay him for four years with this
Seattle talented roster. Worried about a year, You're gonna have
to start paying people big boy money. Vikings don't have
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any picks, so this stuff is starting.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
To add up.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I got nothing against JJ McCarthy, but you can't let
Sam Donald walk out of the room and Daniel Jones
as a backup, A big, strong, athletic backup would be
arguably the best backup quarterback in the league, and he's
already shown. Remember McCarthy's already had two surgeries, He's never
played an NFL game. Donald's an MVP level player, and
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Daniel Jones won a playoff game against those Vikings. So
my take is JJ McCarthy, I think deep down they
are strongly considering moving him. That is my take. I
don't think it's a wild take. The Vikings cannot pay
Donald a fortune and have no draft picks. You cannot
in a division with the stacked Lions and Stackpackers, go yeah,
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we got a first round picking some fives. Do that
roster's already arguably the third or fourth best roster in
that division. You need draft picks, you need a second,
a third, and a fourth. And I think JJ McCarthy
in a week draft, I think Minnesota has leverage. They
don't have to get rid of him, and it's not
like they don't like him.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You could like.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
People and trade them. But the dilemma is a great
dilemma to have. We had no idea Sam Donald was
the third best quarterback in the league. That's a great
It's like when people can played about taxes. It's one
of the better problems to have. You're paying a lot
of taxes, you're making a lot of money. I don't
like paying them either, but it's one of the better problems.
Sam Darnald created a problem. He is way better than
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any of us thought.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And I'm a.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Donald fan to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
and noon Easter, not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
No person in my life have I ever met that
knows more about quarterbacks than Jordan Palmer, founder of QB Summit.
He has worked with all of them, the Burrows, the Mahomes,
the Josh Allen's. He was the first person to tip
me off on Josh Allen. We were talking about Donald
and he said, keep your eye on this Josh Allen
kid before anybody else did. And I got so many
questions to ask you. I'm going to ask you about
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the rookie NFL quarterbacks. I'm going to ask you about
Riley Leonard, who nobody's paying attention to, and Jalen Milroe,
who I think is better than people think. But I
want to start with this. You are right now. I
think you're an active quarterback consultant with Darnald. Yeah, so
Sam calls you regularly what unlocked? We know Kevin O'Connor's
a good coach, but what unlocked, the star power, the juice?
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What was unlocked? Because you always talk about that on
this show. We got to unlock something. What was it
with Sam?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
His talent hasn't changed, right, He hasn't grown two inches
since the draft. He hasn't gotten way faster. All these
players careers should evolve. They're throwing mechanics should evolve, they're
understanding of defenses, so that there's been an evolution over
the last six years. The other thing is I don't
think he'd river really been through a ton of adversity.
You know in high school and college right kind of
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was a meteoric deal here, and then just getting drug
through the mud for multiple years, getting traded away for
nothing I think hardened him. And yes, the Kevin O'Connell,
the pieces in the huddle. We don't need to spend
time talking about how good the Minnesota Viking's roster in
front office and coaching staff is because that's all everybody's
talking about.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
The thing.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
The biggest thing for him that I've seen is that
in all of those years of kind of getting punched
in the gut media and the teams and traded and
all that.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I just never saw him cut a corner.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
I've never had this guy show up fifteen minutes late,
have to bail early.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I've just never seen it.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
And the way that I work with him and Joe
Burrow as well, is it really is an annual relationship where, yes,
the off season we try and find similar to what
Tom Brady used to talk about, try and find one
or two things right, because when you get to the
level where you're playing, where Sam is right now and
Joe is right now, there's still an off season coming up.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
They're still going to try and get better.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
And so what we do is in the off season
we build the programming and look at what has been
working and what can you build on. And then in season,
every single week we're reviewing things. And there's three categories. One,
what are you doing great that you need to continue
to do great, let's highlight it. What do you need
to work on, which means you used to do it
better than you did and it's taking a step back
for whatever reason. And then the third one is something
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to think about maybe something showed up in somebody else's game,
Sam's attention and focus on those things, regardless of how
bad it was going, and right now how well it
is going. The fact that his approach hasn't changed, I
think is really actually like a superpower. Your willingness to
buy in find individual things to get better at is
the superpower. And there's a perfect example. So by week
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it was week six, I think this year for them,
he comes out here and spend a day together, and
at that point this season, at that point in the season,
I think it was twenty four point eight percent of
his misses, not necessarily in completions, just a little off,
was outbreaking routes to the right. Identify a mechanical issue,
not drawn the shoulder in whatever the details were, address it,
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Show how he can work on it at home, how
he can work on it in practice, what he can
add to warm ups, And from the bye week to
now he's got one miss on an outbreaking route to
the right and the ball slipped out of his hand.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Isn't that great?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I love this stuff. I want him to tell you
a story, folks. So Josh Allen, he was the first,
got to tip me off on Josh Allen. So Josh Allen,
now doesn't take the sacks and doesn't throw picks, and
there's a fascinating you go deep into the numbers. It
used to be a thing you after a couple of years,
found something rolling right that was a problem. Tell the
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audience this story on Josh Allen.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
Well, I think what started the Josh Allen hype train
at Wyoming because it wasn't because they won it all
or when undefeated. Right, it was a play he made
versus Boise State. He's rolling right and he threw it
about forty five yards back corner of the end zone,
and it was one of those well, I don't know
anybody who can make that throw type of throws. And
then I think he was on Sports Illustrated and they
were maybe gonna have gamed and it just kind of
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started to happen. Right, started to the hype train, whatever
that means, started to roll. And then he got a
lot of positive reinforcement from that. Right, Like, all of
a sudden, everyone's talking about you and you see yourself
on TV and they keep showing that play and he's
so good at it. So he would roll right, and
when he roll right, he would make unbelievable throws down
the field and kept chasing it when he got early
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in the first two years, and Brian Dable was, you know,
developing him and and really they were developing that team
because Bills.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Fans know this.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Everyone forget like his number one receiver his rookie year
was Kelvin Benjamin. Ye, like this is not he didn't
step into some perfect situation. But really, through the first
two years, I think he was high fifties completion percentage.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, and when he would roll right.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
And at the time, I think I wrote it all down,
but it was, you know, rolling right. You've got this
many you know, ten touchdowns, fifteen unbelievable throws, thirteen picks
and a bunch of hits, a bunch of you getting
pushed or getting tackled and landing on your right shoulder,
and you only get so many of us.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's right to hear that. So he kept falling on
his right shoulder. You discovered that, and then it.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Just it needs to become an asset because you have
the highest level.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Now what's happened to him?
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Well, I think now teams are sitting here going we
can't let him roll right because he's not turning it over.
He's not taking unnecessary hits, and I think he's one
of the most dynamic runners.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Not at the quarterback position in the league.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So I've never heard anybody even discuss this. You just
didn't like him falling on his right shoulder because your belief,
and it's true, is your body gives you about three
hundred of those and then and then it availability.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
It's the whole like, what's your bestibility conversation? Well, availability is.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, I want to talk about another NFL quarterback. You're
a very optimistic positive quarterback guru, I of course tend.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
To come off as a negative. I like rock Party.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But the theory on quarterbacks the if bucket after about
three ifs, I'm not paying you starting with a five,
you're a three or a four. If it's not raining,
if he gets protection, if he has McCaffrey, if he's leading,
the numbers tell you trailing fourth quarter in not the
same quite the same quarterback. I couldn't pay Brock a fortune.
(24:23):
I like him, I don't love him. Why should I
love him? What do you see with him?
Speaker 8 (24:27):
I think, Uh, were's so many ways for us to
come to a conclusion or an opinion on somebody, right,
So stats depending on who you are and what you're
doing for a living, right, like stats is one tape
for certain people, or if you're in the media, tapes
less relevant. If you're in a front office, stats are
less relevant, you know what I mean? Sure, depends on
what context you're looking at it through. I with Brock
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look at it like what situations have we put him
in and how is he handled it?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
And when you've had a.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
Healthy, good roster, he's basically played like one of the
best quarterbacks in the league, and at least in my opinion,
last the way that he yes, the plays that he made,
the mistakes that he didn't make and avoided, but then
the way that he went through the playoffs and played
great didn't change the whole leadership element that really only
the people in the building can speak to.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Right, We can all have opinions, but you're there.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
And Sam Darnold backed him up last year, so I
got a chance to hear just how mature and focused
and confident this guy remained all the way through the
Super Bowl, Right, And so if we build around him,
this is a guy that I don't know if it
starts with the five, but it definitely starts with a
three or four. If you're asking me like it's a yeah,
you give him a ton of money. You give them
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a three year deal. If the left tackles hurt and
the running backs out and the receivers out, he's not
as good. Well, if you pay the quarterback, then John
Lynch's job is to build around him. And I think
there's two things the Niners have done a really good
job of. One of them is evaluating talent, finding good players.
I don't know the name of the running back for
them who's playing.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Well right now.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
The second thing they've done is developed players. And so
if you're if you're a Niners fan, you go, let's
lock in brock Purty. I don't I don't like the
whole Franchise him and make him play it, make him
prove it. He's proven it, so pay him and then
do a great job of evaluating talent and and developing
the talent around him.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And you know he may.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Lose debo this year for whatever reason. Well you drafted
Ricky Pearsall in the first round. I think they did
a good job evaluating talent, and now it's not to
develop them.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I want to go, let's talk a couple of rookies.
You have kind of an interesting belief on Caleb Williams,
who has had the roughest rookie season, and your belief is.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
What the talent is there, worthy of being the number
one pick, worthy of being the Heisman Trophy winner, worthy
of being the Elite eleven MVP and number one recruit
in the country. Like that, that part hasn't changed for me.
I think, Uh, however you want to classify this, I
would put it in the field. Let's just use this
word failure. Okay, this hasn't been the CJ Stroud year
from last year, right or Jayden from this year. So
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for his standards, which has been number one, number one
or one like all the way through, this is a
step back.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Whatever.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
If this is classified as a failure, not that it's
his fault, right all the pieces around him. I think
for guys who've had nothing but success, a failure year
where it didn't go the way that you had envisioned
actually can be really good for your growth. I think
it's been really good for a lot of people's gross
in the background in the past.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I think it's been good for Sam Darnold's development.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Just like when we look at Josh Allen and we
say no offers had to go to Juca. Well, that
was failure early, it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
I think a healthy dose of a tough year for
the incredibly confident and incredibly talented players, which is what
Caleb Williams is. I think it can actually do wonders
and I think we're going to see his best ball
ahead of him. And I'm not really concerned with Caleb's
future looking out. I think he's in a really tough
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spot right now and he needs to get better. And
for the first time in his life, in his football career,
it's not just him wanting to get better.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
It's obvious he needs to improve. He needs to find
ways to improve.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I think that's healthy for the really elite thinkers, really
elite confidence guys, and the really elite talents.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, I got to ask you about two college guys
because there will be a guy in this draft I'm
targeting Riley Leonard. I'll get to him in a second.
Notre Dame quarterback. I like him a lot, but again,
he came from Duke. It's a new system. Notre Dame
is asking a lot of him, and it took a
while to get going, but he's been very good lately.
But Jalen Milroe's fascinating. My comp is he's a much
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better Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I would absolutely draft him, not as my first quarterback,
maybe not as my second. I think he's a first
round quarterback. What do you see You've been so good
on this through the years. What do you see with
Jalen Milroe that, if I'm right, that makes him a
first round quarterback?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Well, I look for anybody looks for unique traits.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
And when I say unique, I don't mean one of
the you know, unique, The word means like there's not
another one like it. Sure right, And he has two
so one the first one is at the athleticism. I
he's a client of mine. I've been a tusclos a
hndful of times this year. And uh And the same
thing that I said with with Joe and Sam, it's
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I've got ten college guys where we we work throughout
the entire year.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
We talk every single week and go through things.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
I've been out there that little Ryan Williams receiver, the
rookie goes out there, I go, hey, Hey, how fast
is Jalen compared to the other guys on the team.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Him and other guys are like, well, Jaylen's the fastest
kind of the team.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Jalens faster than Williams.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I think Jalen's the fastest kind of the team. Not
anything guys at Albama would say that. So he's not
like going to run a fast forty. He's like the
fastest guy on the field. Okay, so that's unique. Faster
than the others definition in Alabama, yeah, or on any field,
and so you go, Okay, the athleticism and get to
full speeds another thing, because a lot of guys have
top end speed. But you know, we saw guys like
Vince Young like that not necessarily translate the running in
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the NFL because some guys it takes a lot longer
to get to their time might be fast.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
This's full speed like three steps.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
So the athleticism is unique, and they'll be Lamar Jackson
comps in terms of you know, the draft and coming out.
But he's got like twenty pounds on Lamar, So he's
a bigger, stronger.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Little mechanical for my taste, what do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah? And I think like I said earlier.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Everybody's throwing motion mechanic like that all evolves. And what
I have seen from him is the buy and the
attention to it and the professionals, and how he looks
at developing it, not just going I've got a super
strong arm and I'm gonna roll with it, which a
lot of people do. I don't think it's gonna affect
anything moving forward. I think the first one is the athleticism.
The second thing is his personality. Once he goes through
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this draft process, folks like you, front offices, teams meet
him like this dude's a magnet.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
This guy's a light like he is that cool to
be around.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
And so those two unique traits will stand out as
the process unfolds.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
The tape will be the tape.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
There's some good, there's some bad, like everybody, and I
think somebody's gonna fall in love with him, and he's
gonna go higher than some people thought, and as high
as I.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Thought, Riley Leonard. People roll their eyes at me. I
see a little Josh Allen, tall athletic. Marcus Freeman tells me,
relentless competitor, He like all these young guys. Duke didn't
ask him to do what Notre Dame is didn't love him.
Early after about week five, six seven, I'm like, I
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don't know, folks, tall, rangy, athletic arm is there something there?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Am I nuts?
Speaker 8 (31:37):
Absolutely no, not nuts. I think this guy's gonna be
a really good player, really athletic.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
His basketball tapes's insane.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Yeah, and just it shows up like some guys are
great basketball players, and you would have you know, you
would have never known it. Some guys you watch their
tape and I tell you they're great basketball.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
You go, oh, that makes sense, you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (31:54):
And so with him, I think all the mobility stuff
that he has. I don't know what his forty time is.
I don't care. That part translates. Running in the league
as a quarterback is like the sum of six and
eight yard games.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's not the fifty five years, right right, yeah? Right?
Speaker 8 (32:10):
And then I like guys that have gone to another
school for their last year and played well because it's
there's a lot of newness. It's similar to a rookie year. Yeah,
you go from Duke to Notre Dame. It's not just
new for you, it's now it's Notre Dame. It's a
new lot of academic Yeah, the magnitude of it, all
the stuff you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You know they're gonna pay you, and I owe money.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
That means you've got to do a lot of stuff right, right,
and you got to be a lot of places and
talk to a lot of people. And then the new
teammates and then they had a bad loss in Northern Illinois. Yeah,
and it totally could have caved and it didn't. They're
on like an eight or nine game heater. I think
Marcus Freeman deserves a lot of credit for that. I
think Riley Leonard does two.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay, So it's called QB Summit. It's a program that
helps quarterbacks reach their potential. He's had Burrow golf, Trevor
Lawrence Bownecks. By the way, Bonex, you liked it, Has
it been what you thought?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
I think it's the perfect pairing between him and Sean
And there's so much of Bow's not just game but personality.
He's intense, it's similar to Dewbrees right, very mature, he's married,
he's like he's dealt with adversity.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
He kind of goes better than I thought, and he's a.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Lot more athletic than anybody getting credit for. He moves, Yes,
he moves, and so I think it's been exactly what
Sean Payton was hoping it would be and the best
balls ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Did Sean call you?
Speaker 8 (33:28):
He did not, But but I think he's I think
he got exactly what he was looking for.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
And yeah, I mean he had so many starts in
college that he was one of those you kind of
knew what you were getting. But I will say this,
I didn't think I thought his arm was Derek carr
Ish kind of in the same thing. And then I've
watched them deliver some deep throws and I'm like, well,
Aaron Rodgers' arm got stronger in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
It all evolves absolutely, And the way this guy approaches
his development and his game is like some of these
other guys I've talked about, where it's like he's doing
it like he's been in the league for a long
time and already knows what it needs to work on.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
How do you make I'm not that I'm going to
go out and throw football. How do you make your
arm stronger? Aaron's was strong in college. It's insane. Now,
what's it's not a bench press. Is it why I'm metrics?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (34:12):
No?
Speaker 8 (34:12):
I think it starts with the Burrow's a perfect example
because even though he torched college football, his arm has
gotten a lot stronger really coming off the ACL, because
when you can better understand one, there's the strength component,
but when you can better understand how to use the ground.
So let's just say, when I go to throw and
I lift my left foot in the air, one hundred
percent of the force that I'm putting in the ground
is through my right foot right because my left is
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on the ground. And then at some point when I'm
throwing the football, all that goes to the left foot,
my right foot leaves the gun. So it's really a
conversation around how much force am I putting into the
ground and how is that transfer from my back foot
to my front foot happening when you can do that
and build it all the way up. And so for Joe,
like I said on the annual basis, he's coming off
of a very scary wrist injury. Yeah, we forget about
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it now because he's like up for MVP, But like, well,
hold on, this was a rare one. You know, this
isn't an ACL that million people get those. This was
a rare wrist injury. So he executed this plan of
having to recruit more things so come January he doesn't
have to compensate and pronator his wrist and create an issue.
And so whether you're increasing your your velocity or you're
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a big strong arm guy trying to get more touch,
it's the same thing. It's how am I playing force
to the ground and how is that transferring?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Jordan Palmer, it's great Scenia again, thanks for having me.
Happy holidays. Your your brother Carson Palmer now is coaching
his son.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
At Santa Margarita. That's that's as Trinity League. They got
Modern Day and Bosco big boy football.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, and his son's pretty good, right.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah, he's a good little player.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, great, senior man.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Thanks for having me.
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