January 7, 2025 • 40 mins
The Bears have their list of head coaching candidates
What to think about if Sam Darnold and the Vikings lose this weekend
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Tuesday live in Los Angeles. It is the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. My New Year's resolution,
no haircuts. I am going shaggy baby, and I don't care.
Jaymack in one hour, Nick Wright, Herd Hierarchy. I'm so
fired up. There are so many things percolating in the NFL,
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with all these job openings. It is crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't know what's wilder.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Your your hair flow this morning, or you coming off
the birthday with a bunch of hot takes today.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, it was a hot take birthday for se Man.
I brought in a lot of smoke.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Just give yourself a nickname Seaman.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, everywhere everywhere people were nice to me yesterday. So
thank you very much, and we move on in life. Okay,
So I look at the Bears list for reported interview
requests for the Chicago Bears for their job head coaching job.
I mean I follow this league. There's a couple of guys.
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I mean, there's not this many great candidates. Why are
you wasting your time? I mean Anthony Weaver Dolphins defensive coordinator.
Did you watch the Dolphins at any point this year
and go, man? That defense is something else? Drew Petsing
offensive coordinator Arizona. Folks, this is not American idol. I'm
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not here for the fun tryouts. The hell you doing?
And you're you're wasting time on second, third tier candidates.
Somebody else is hiring Mike Vrabel, What are you doing here?
I mean the Chargers last year in late November in
the building, we're talking about two candidates, Harbaugh and Vrabel.
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It was late November early December, and they narrowed it
down in the office to two guys they really wanted.
One is great now and one Mike Rabel's the best
candidate this year. So you know what's the Bear's path.
This is just too broad of a list. It's unserrious.
You can't have thirteen people. Let's be honest about this
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year's candidates. There's one a candidate, Mike Vrabel. That's it.
I do think Pete Carroll and Brian Floores are worth
a zoom call, but they're not a candidates. Flores too intense,
didn't work in Miami, though I like him and think
he deserves a second chance, and Pete Carroll again tends
to be too loyal to average assistance. I think he's
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worth the zoom call. I am not hiring a coordinator
for the Bear's job, and I think Aaron Glenn is great.
Ben Johnson likewise, too big of a job, too big
of a list, and coordinator candidates are like half a candidate.
You don't know if it's gonna work. You know Mike
Frabl's gonna work. So I look at this Bears list.
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When you're hiring a head coach. It's a little bit
like house hunting in a really competitive market. You don't
have time to waste. If you qualify for a five
million dollar house, skip the fixer uppers, don't even stop
off at the condos, get to the big boy houses.
Don't waste your time. It's a competitive market, so it's
I mean this list is a who's who of who's he?
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What are we doing here? No waste of time for
the Chicago Bears, And you know it's it's this is
too big of a job for ninety percent of the
guys on this list, and you should have it narrowed down.
I mean, you got rid of Matt Eberflus the day
after Thanksgiving, and it's what January seventh. If if you
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fire a coach the day after Thanksgiving and it's the
day that is officially too late to say Happy New
Years to people in the office, you're wasting your time.
Get to it. It's the prom. Either asked the girl
out or she's dancing with somebody else. But this list
is just it's unseerious. This is an unseerious list. I've
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said before. It is too complicated, too political, too big, historically,
too wonky for a coordinator, even a great one, even
a great one. And you could say, well, look at
what Sean McVeigh did. Stan Kronky's one of the richest,
smartest owners in the NFL. Jeff Fisher sort of felt
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a little outdated. Offensively, McVeigh knocked everybody's socks off, But
you had Stan Kronk. You had, you know, a number
one picket quarterback and some good players on the roster.
You needed a left tackle and a head coach. But
there was stuff working there, an organization that had had
some success. Chicago is this is an eight hundred pound lift.
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I mean, this is a big lift. Albert Breer yesterday,
I mean this, this list I'm looking at now has
got un serious candidates. Here's Albert Breer yesterday on the
Bears job.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
They haven't won a playoff game in fourteen years, and
I think if they look in the mirror, that's what
they'll find, is that there are issues there that go
deeper than just one coach or how just one player
is developed.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
If they do.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Bring in a guy who's a leader of men, who
works on the defensive side, that person is going to
have to come in with a very clear, concise plan
for the quarterback, and not just for the next year
or two, but going forward. If you lose an offensive coach,
how do you replace them?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All of that stuff? There's you know, one of the
things that it's it's hard to say it out loud,
but it's sort of true. In every business I've ever
been in, there's a really small, finite number of candidates
qualified for most jobs, and you look at the resume
and you make a couple of calls and the list
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gets whittled down very quickly. The Chargers figured it out
after hiring like Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley. Dean Spanos
figured out, I need a culture changer. We are lost
as a franchise. We are on fire. I got to
bring in the number one captain. I got to bring
in the fire captain in the big truck. And they
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went Vrabel interviewed him and Jim Harbaugh and Vrabel, by
the way, they called Rabel after they decided on Harbaugh,
and they said, you were amazing, and if Jim Harbaugh
is not in the market, you are amazing. I heard
this from like six different people in the Chargers building.
They loved Rabel. They thought they were going to hire Rabel.
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They loved him, and so, I mean they got down
very quickly to the two candidates. You're talking Jets and Bears.
You can't have thirteen people up for it. Are not thirteen
people on the planet that can turn around the Jets
and the Bears. Okay, I saw this story, and I
have heard something similar we've discussed it this week. I
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think Jmax said this, The Minnesota Vikings are a fascinating
team this offseason. They got this brilliant offensive coach. They
have Sam Darnald, a reclamation project who until Sunday was
in the MVP race, and then they brought in Daniel
Jones in November, and then they drafted JJ McCarthy. Well,
according to Jeff Howe of the Athletic JJ McCarthy would
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rank over Shador Sanders and Cam Ward by several executives
and coaches. That is what I have heard. That is
what I have heard from people i've asked that JJ
McCarthy would be higher ranked than the two quarterbacks. Doesn't
mean everybody's right or my sources are right, but that's
what you're hearing. And that's why this game for Sam
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Darnald against the Rams is fascinating. And there are times
I get nervous for young athletes because I know so
much is on the line. Think about Sam Darnold, Southern
California kid, when he plays the Rams in LA. It's
one hundred million dollar football game. Kevin O'Connell could lose it,
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So what McVeigh could lose it? So what Stafford could
lose it? If Sam Darnald loses plays poorly, I mean
that people are going to make a decision that it's
just all Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson and Jordan Andison
and in the end, the elite competition, big stage, he
couldn't handle it. The market drives up. I don't even know.
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I don't even know if the Vikings keep it. But
if Sam crushes, he's either getting franchised for a year
in Minnesota. I would guess maybe they signed him to
a contract franchise, or he goes to the market, and
you got teams like the Raiders. Now they don't have
a great draft pick, they may spend a fortune on him,
and I wouldn't doubt it. So it's a one hundred
million dollar a game. And here's the thing that is
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cruel and unfair in sports, but it is a fact.
Sam Darnald was one kind of quarterback for six years.
Super athletic, big arm, but reckless, big too many mistakes
in big spots. That's what he was. And that's where
my brain goes, and your brain goes, and general manager's
brains go. When we see the Detroit game, Yeah too much.
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Jews can't make the play, missing open wide receivers. That's
where our brains go. And it's like, it's almost like
if you miss a big free throw in the NBA
Finals as a young player. Nick Anderson did this for
Orlando against Houston. You have to hit so many big
free throws for me to forget about that free throw
you missed in the finals. And Nick Anderson didn't. And
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that's what I remember him for. And he was a
good guy and a good player, but that's what I
remember him for. And so if Sam Donald beats the
Rams wins a playoff game, then Detroit's on one off.
It was Detroit. It was the biggest game in fifty years.
The Lions have better players. I forget all about it.
But it's almost like Sam Darnold has been type cast.
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It's like Daniel Radcliffe, Harry Potter. He has got to
be in so many movies for me not to see
Harry Potter every time I look at him. You put
him in a crime drama, I'm like I was getting
cast a spell on somebody. I mean, I'm sorry, that's
what I see. I mean, he got to be in
so many movies. And so this game for Donald is
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making me nervous. I try not to pick winners on this.
I just want Donald to play well. And Jmax over
here got the Rams rolling in this game. He's got
me all freaking out. It's my birthday week. I need
some symmetry. I need I need calmb and this. And
the Darnald situation is if I see something for six
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years and then all of a sudden, you're really good
and I'm starting to forget about it in all all
biggest game, that's roy brain goes, and that's where GM's
brains go. So the Vikings are a fascinating team and
I don't think they have the answers yet. I think
they're waiting for this Rams game and they want to
see it. And I don't think they were going to
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be Detroit anyway. I don't think it was a winnable game.
I said it last week. Take the Lions. This is
going to be a crazy, standalone, once in a generation
game for the Lions. Good luck Sam Darnold, but it's cruel.
I still think Nick Anderson I think miss free throw
in the finals because he didn't go back and hit
thirteen big free throws in the finals to make me
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forget Michael Jordan miss free throws in the finals. Lebron
has missed dozens of big free throws, but he's hit
enough that I forgot about it. I mean Chris Webber,
the guy that called time out. If Chris Weber would
have gone on to win four titles in the NBA,
that barely makes his resume.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But his NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Career was a little sideways and wonky and underachieving. So
that's what I think of, And it's just it's unfair,
but that's where my brain goes. And Jmack the whole
time here has got a very confident smirk looking at it.
You love the Rams in this game.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You see the line, you see the screen.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It was two and a half yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Now it's one and a half. Obviously, you know just
one point. But I'm just telling you there's a lot
of support for the Rams in this game at home.
And you don't want to bass Darnold too much because
I know he's your guy.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You had a great season.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Listen, Lamar Jackson does this every year, amazing regular.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Season, show me the playoff success.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
When has he ever had an amazing playoff game in
a big spot.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, for a long time people said that to be
fair about Peyton Manning in the play, it was true.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
At the beginning.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean that's wrong with that is it's a
fact he struggled the first five years he had zero
playoff wins.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, it's not great. Take some time.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
That game is making me nervous as well.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It should. We're going to try to go to that, right,
do you like to go to that?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Use your superpowers to cook us.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Listen, I have superpowers. One day my birthday, I can
ask for stuff in my broad I got free kke
yesterday and a backpack.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
What if you sold the Rams? Both of our birthdays
are this week?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Could you hook us up? Make it happen.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, it's a small game that nobody's going to thirty
one fourteen. Oh, come on, I don't want thirty one.
I'm not interested in that. I want thirty twenty seven.
Anybody could have won. Heroic performances by Stafford and Darnold.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Whose house Ram's House?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Ye have.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oubnoxious.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
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Speaker 1 (13:26):
App Well, things change very quickly in the NFL, and
we know that a month ago the Steeters were ten
and three and we were talking about Russell Wilson getting
a real contract extension. Mike Tomlin was giving thumbs up
to the cameras and he was winking and hugging Russell Wilson.
It was a feel good story. Four games later, they're
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a ten point underdog to their biggest rival, Baltimore, and
Mike Tomlin is saying, according to reports this morning, yeah
we may go back to the other guy, Justin Fields. Yeah.
Justin Fields is fourteen and third already is a starter
with a passer rating under eighty five, and he gets
hurt a lot. That's not the answer. This is something
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and I know I can sound preachy, so I'll try
not to. But this is something I've been on with
defensive head coaches for a long time. They do not
Since the urgency at quarterback, I have watched Kyle Shanahan
move off, Jimmy Garoppolo, who got his team to a
Super Bowl, Andy Reid move off, the very good Alec Smith,
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Sean mcvayh move off super Bowl quarterback Jared Goff you're
watching GoF deal in Detroit. He's an a quarterback in
this league. So defensive coaches do this regularly. And when
Pete Carroll said, you know, hey, Gino Smith is my
guy John Snyder, the GM decided Pete, You're not my guy.
And I think it was probably the right decision. So
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memo to defensive head coaches, the best quarterback eight for eight,
won every division. And yesterday for my birthday, my staff
at the ball got me a gift which was incredibly thoughtful.
Is that you know, I worked in Portland for a
long time and I knew Phil Knight, and I've always
had great respect for Nike and its vision and its business.
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And when Phil Knights founded the company, he had this manifesto,
I guess is lack of a better word, of manifesto,
the ten principles you know of Nike, and what number
one was, our business is change and the number two
was we're on offense all the time. Phil Knight would
have been a good NFLGM and head coach. The league
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has changed, it has changed. Eight for eight best quarterback
won every division. I thought Kirk Cousins throughout the rest
of the year would be the best quarterback. He was
the best quarterback in his division until about October thirtieth,
and then Baker was. But that's just the way it works.
And so you can talk about play calling this and that,
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and people are making moose Who's got the best quarterback?
There was one great coaching candidate last year. You could
argue Belichick all go Jim Harball. What job did he take?
Did he take an organization that had a history of
Super Bowls? No, that had the best roster? Know, he
took a team that was in the division with Andy
Reid and Mahomes because they had Justin Herbert. Think about that,
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Think about that, Think about the power of Justin Herbert.
Is that Jim Harbaugh could have had fifteen teams and
he chose the team in a division with Mahomes and
Andy Reid and the Hunt family and Brett Veach top
to bottom, A plus A plus I want to go
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in that division? Why why would you do that? The
Chargers have a lot of Super Bowls, They have a
history of winning big games. The opposite, well, why would
you do that? Justin Herbert? And now they're in the
playoffs and a favorite in Round one. So whenever the
NFL innovates. It is overwhelmingly on offense. I mean, there
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are fourteen teams in the playoffs, thirteen of a better
quarterback situation than the Steelers, So it's I think it's
fair to start asking questions. And Mike Tomlin, I mean
I gave him credit. Justin Fields had a four and
two record, and he replaced him, and everybody thought he
was wrong. Remember this SoundBite, your boldest decisions to go
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with three.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
You know, I'm a Pittsburgh out from East Liberty. That's
why I'm well compensated.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I love that answer, and I love his defiance. But
if we're all being realistic here at quarterback for the Steelers,
the answer is not in the building, right, It's probably
not in the building. Jmack with the news. No, no, no,
the news.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
All right, let's start with troubling news out of Philadelphia.
Nick Sirianni has told the media that Jalen Hurts is
still in concussion protocol. This is not good, Colin. He
has missed the last two weeks. Sirianni has no other updates,
but he isn't worried about him being rusted.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
If he's rusty, sorry.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
If he's available, Packer's still four and a half point
underdogs in Philly. I mean, does this take away the
tush push if you will, Like, you can't do that
with a guy coming out of concussion protocol. I wonder
how limited Hurts will be as a runner, which is
when he is a big factor.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I didn't think much of this story, and I don't
think I'll make much of this story until tomorrow. Okay,
if he's in protocol tomorrow. But I do feel like,
what's the rush? He knows the offense. Season's never been longer,
He's played a ton of games. They have a dominating team,
They'll be at home. They're a heavy favorite over a
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banged up Packers team, So I don't I'm not too
worried about it yet. I honestly think that the Eagles
are good enough to win with a backup quarterback. I
really do.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Have you had a concussion in the last I don't know,
fifteen times, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I don't think I've ever had one. I've gotten banged
up a few times about that skiing thing. I did
not have a concussion, broke ribs, but I don't. I
did not have a I don't think I've ever had
a concussion. I can remember one, you know, one incident
in my life where I was fuzzy, but I don't
think it qualified as anything more than that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
So I got one in a soccer tournament two years ago.
And I'm just telling you, like, you're in a fog
and you're not supposed to be on your phone and
you're not supposed to watch TV. You just aren't really
processing stuff here slow, you're tired, you're lethargic. Now make
that an NFL quarterback when you've got to do so
many things in Colin. There are some numbers floating around
the web about people have charted quarterbacks coming off a concussion.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's not good. The first game not good.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Significantly lower.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yes, so.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You're right, maybe tomorrow's panic time for the Eagles, But
I don't know if it's going to be who the
backup is Pickett? Remember he got dinged up and then
what's his name? Tanner McFee or something like that, though
I think Stanford quarterback could could he be in line.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
To start that That's not.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Great for the Philadelphia at home with this roster against
the young Packers team now missing Christian Watson, I think
is good enough to win a close game at home.
It is not ideal. If Jordan Love was out, I
think the Packers would be toast in most instances. You know,
if you know, if bo Nicks was out for Denver,
they're losing by thirty. If Josh Allen's out, maybe they're
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good enough to beat Denver without him, but I don't
think so. I think Philadelphia is the one team in
this league. And this is no disrespect to Green Bay.
They are so good and they have so many weapons
that I think at Kenny Pickett could play a game
and win a game, a low scoring, close game. It
will not They'll not win a shootout. But I think
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Philadelphia have that much respect for their personal I mean,
we did this before they got They're like Detroit, and
they've even more so than Detroit. They've got nine or
ten elite players and almost everyone in a unit. They
got corners, pass rushers, D line, lineback, O line, every
unit has a star. Even Detroit can't say that. Buffalo
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can't say that. Philly can.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I would boy if the Packers ended up advancing here
and facing the Lions. Do you remember how good that
Monday night game was it mondaye It was a Monday
night game Packers Lions.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
If I'm the Lions, I would take green Bay something
I know over Philadelphia. I don't want to face. Philadelphia
is the one team that conflecs and has better players
than we do. I'm gonna take green Bay. I'm familiar
with them. I think I have a better team than them,
and a better roster than them, better coach. Well, neither
one has a ring, so let's just leave it though.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Oh, lafloor ver, Sirianni, are you kidding? That's not even close.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Listen, Sirianni's winning a lot of games. I'm a laflor guy,
but I listen. I've said I'm wrong on Sirianni. I
didn't like the opening presser. I don't like the nonsense
with fans. I'm clearly wrong. It works.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
He's just winning games.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
He's got a loaded, amazing team.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
He doesn't I can admit when I'm wrong. It's it's
you know, it's just I see a lot of his
stuff as childish, but you know it's an emotional game.
Your football players are twenty eight years old. They rally
around him. They don't judge as harshly as I would do.
So the guy's working. It works like you have to
be able to in our profession to just say, you know.
It's like if you're a political pundit and you're absolutely
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sure one candidate's going to win and they don't, you
have to show up the next day and go I
was wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Next up is sticking in the NFC East. The New
York Giants a lot of work to do this offseason.
Got a fan of find a franchise quarterback, among other things,
but they are keeping their head coach in GM owner
John Marra announced he will be retaining Dable and Shane
next season, but it sounds like they're going to be
on a short lease.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Listen to this, I understand.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I believe me that that's not going to be the
most popular decision in Giant Land, but we believe it's
the right decision for us going forward.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
How long will it take to improve the product? John,
They're had too long?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Just about run out of patients.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I've run out of pa Hey, you can keep your job,
but I'm running out of patience.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Not great, and Colin would sit and fourth in the draft.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Now I would have kept day Ball for the record,
let's put our let's put our name on it. I
would have kept day Ball. I could have moved off
the GM and been okay with that. I do not
love what I saw in hard knocks with the GM. Yeah,
I've got two people that have dealt with his GM
and have had reservations with the situations. I am a
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day Ball fan, and I think this franchise, they're the
one franchise in the league. Maybe there's two where I
think they have a lot of pieces, just not the quarterback.
I don't think the Giants are miles away.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I don't so okay, So he says, I'm running out
of patience Colin at four, you're not getting cam word
or should do it.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't believe the top two teams could take them.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Okay, give me the draft order right now. One need
a quarterback at two. Did you see Deshaun Watson had
a set back for mis Achilles. That's a big sign
they're taking a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
His career is a setback.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I would agree. Giants.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh, it says three here, So I don't think they're
getting a quarterback at three.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Patriots are at four. My bad. So now you're looking
at free agency.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Sam Darnold, Kirk Cousins. Are any of those guys turning
the fortunes around for the Giants?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well, the Giants aren't winning a Super Bowl next year.
I just don't think they're that far off.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Are we looking at Gardner Minshew starting for the Giants
next year?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know who's it going to be.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, you are a Jets fancy. You tend to be
a little harsh on the Giants prospects. I think they're
going to land a quarterback. I do not think it's
a great quarterback draft class, but I think they'll land one.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I've droptimism.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'll tell you what I would do if I was
the GM. I would trade down. I would make the
roster fantastic, and then I would consider kirk Cousins for
a year. I would I think the Giants roster is close.
I think it needs about four dudes. They have to up.
They need another receiver, they need a tight end that
can keep going putting people on the dro line.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Offensive line has holes.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, so I I quick you league. My rule on
the NFL draft has never changed. Unless there's an Andrew
Lot or a transformational quarterback, or you need a quarterback
and there is one you like, you always trade down.
This will be a uh. I just talked to an
organization over the weekend that wants to trade down, and
their concern is nobody wants to trade up. So this
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organization has some needs and they're trying to fix them
and there's just not a lot of takers moving up.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, that's not great.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The final story is my New York Jets, another team
with a crummy off season ahead. You're looking for a
head coach, a GM, and hopefully a quarterback. So talking
to the New York Post, owner Woody Johnson would not
say he would be under center next season and added
the answers won't come until the new head coach and
GM are in place. Interesting, the coach will have to
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decide what the quarterback situation is. That's going to be
a very important job for the GM and the coach.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So that's interesting. There's been all this speculation that Aaron Rodgers.
He keeps saying that I've never been fired by a teenager.
Now the owner is saying the coach will make the call.
So that leads me to believe Aaron's the guy, and
I think he should be. I would bring Aaron back absolutely,
so that that that feels like that's a change. A
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week ago. This thing was swimming in question marks. That
is definitive.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
All Right, let's just I'll just toss this out there.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Just a name.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
So let's say the Jets settle on Brian Floores is
the head coach. Okay, they decide that's the guy that
he would im just.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Picking a name.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I don't have any IMPAILTI, and then Aaron Rodgers says.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Eh, I don't want to play for that guy.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I don't think Aaron Rodgers is in a position to
see you don't.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Think he could just up and retire mister darkness retreat.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh? I think he could, and that would be fine.
But I don't think Aaron has a huge mark. I
think he has probably a two to a three team market,
I do. I think. I think Aaron's play in the
last two months was pretty darn good. I think it
was pretty good. He had one stinker, and he played
very very well.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
He watched his buddy Brett fav hold the Packers hostage
for many years, and then there was the Jets.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
He's king.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I'm just telling you there's gonna be This is gonna
be an ugly offseason because you know what, Aaron loves
seeing his name in the headlines. He's gonna go on podcast,
He's gonna be a doing this.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And that and well, let's let's let's.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
He can hold the Jets hostage as long as he wants.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't think that's his personality. I don't think Aaron's
gonna hold people. I think Aaron just said something recently
where he said, these have been the two best years
of my life, meaning winning isn't that important to him,
because he was rehabbed for one year and got his
head kicked in the other year, So it's the worst
two years of football in his life. And he said
it was the best two years of his life. So
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Aaron would be willing to stay in New York if
he liked the vibe. I mean, Aaron just said his words,
these are the two best years of my life. Can
you imagine Mahomes or Brady or Peyton, Manning or Breeze
after two awful years of winning games saying as the
best two years of my life. So Aaron's different. It's
not about winning, that's not the most important thing. He's
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saying these are the two best years of my life.
So it's a vibe thing, and I think Aaron is
sort of open minded and would be willing to accept
a new coach. I don't think he's gonna hold anybody hostage.
I don't think he has that kind of market leverage.
This is my take.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Sounds so depressing.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
This is what this is.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
You know the fandom I picked when I was a young,
like eight year old kid.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Jmack with the news, Well, dead's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Herd Line news. You know you
you kids make choices, and that was your choice. Nick.
Right top of the hour, Mark Sanchez too heard hierarchy
our final regular season, heard hierarchy. I think we got
about four or five teams that can win a Super Bowl,
and then about four or five teams that can win
(28:56):
a playoff game or two. And we'll have that around
the corner.
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Speaker 1 (29:14):
Fucking All Right, top of next hour, Herd Hierarchy and
Nick Right, Mark Sanchez Today too, great Tuesday Show. Great
to have you in this time. Next week we'll be
talking Rams Vikings because that game's on next Monday, so
we'll be toping on our show Tuesday. On that. We
started today talking about the Bears coaching search, and there
was a list that was published of thirteen different candidates.
And here's the thing. It's like, there's one great candidate.
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I would hire a proven head coach. I'd hire Mike Vrabel,
I'd consider Pete Carroll. But things a lot of people
in my space in the media are terrified of getting
criticized by like irrelevant bloggers and trolls, and so they
don't take swings on stuff and they're afraid to. I'm
gonna walk on next s Shell. I'll throw one at you.
Mike Tomlin coach and the Bears. If the Bears get
(29:58):
blown out this weekend by Baltimore Steelers, excuse me, Mike
Tomlin and the Steelers, if they get blown out this weekend,
I think they're gonna have discussions in the room in Pittsburgh.
I would have them, and I think I'd move And
you think it's crazy. Did you think it was gonna
happen that Katie was gonna go to the Warriors. Did
you predict that or Joe Montana would be bailed on
by San Francisco the most popular player ever and end
(30:21):
up in Kansas City. Did you think Brett farv would
be leading the Vikings to an NFC championship. Crazy stuff
happens in sports. And if I'm Chicago, the number one
candidate to me is Vrabel or a Mike Tomlin. You
can't have some coordinator walk into town with a snazzy
resume and he's a scheme guy. Scheme guys don't fix
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tire fires. You need a real mechanic who owns his
own shop. You're not gonna have a guy kid back there.
He can put on a tire that's not gonna work.
This is a big lift. And if Tomlin gets blown out,
they're ten point dogs, and they've had a bad end
of the season and he's been getting criticism forever. And
I like Mike Tomlin, I like Pete Carry, but I
mean Andy Reid got let go, Bill Belichick got fired.
(31:04):
You could have the discussion. You can be a grown
up and have a discussion. I would if I was
the Chicago Bears, and I ran him, and I don't
and I never will, and that's obvious. I would be
all over Mike Rabel. I'd have Pete Carroll on on
speed dial, and I'd be watching the Steelers outcome against
the Raiders. I don't think of Ravens. I don't think
it's crazy at all. This organization needs a swing. I mean,
(31:27):
it's like it's funny because I saw this story this
morning where there was a reporter at a radio station
in Dallas who said Mike Brabel would want this job
one hundred percent. He would want the Cowboys job. And
I think, you know the Cowboys job. It's interesting. I
think the Cowboys and people in the Dallas media view
the job one way and the rest of us view
the job the other way. Just I have a rule,
(31:49):
say it out loud before you do anything in life
that's big decisions. Say it out loud. Or you're trying
to weigh if you should take a job or not
take it a job, stay at a job, not stay at
a job. Just say it out loud. Dallas Cowboys are
paying a B plus quarterback a plus money and he's
coming off another injury. We have a story today that
came out that Jerry Jones will not consider giving up
(32:11):
his GM title. That's a story out today. You think
I bought this franchise for my kids, said Jerry Jones.
I mean, listen to Jerry Jones. He goes, I bought
it for myself. Listen to this. I bought the team.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I think the first thing that came out of my
mouth anybody here was at that press conference. Okay, somebody asked,
did you buy this for you kids? And I said,
hell no, I bought it for me. And I didn't
buy an investment. I bought an occupation, and I bought
something that I was going to do. I was forty six.
I bought something I was going to do for the
rest of my life. And that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And that's fine, it's his right. But the idea of
the Cowboys is a great job. I mean, just when
you're looking for a job, what's the ownership ownership situation?
Was the roster? Look like, what's my quarterback and what
is he getting paid? And you start looking at the Cowboys.
I mean that's what I would look at if I
look for a job. Stable ownership quarterback situation is it
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a total rebuild, a semi rebuild, like the Chargers was
not a total rebuild. They had to get a right
tackle and they had to get a coach. It was
a pretty darn good roster. And what's the team's history. Well,
I mean Dallas. I mean, Dallas is one of those
things you EAT's a mirage. The Cowboy job is a mirage.
You look at that job and you think it's paradise,
and it's more like Firefest, that music festival. I mean,
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you think you see one thing, you go look at
that Philadelphia roster. How many players for the Cowboys in
an offensive league offensively would start for them? Ceedee Lamb
would be in the rotation or receiver. That's about it.
Zach Martin, old expensive, little brittle wouldn't start for me.
I'd take their guards. So, I mean, since two thousand,
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the Cowboys have fewer playoff wins than the New York Jets.
We looked it up. They have not been to a
conference championship in thirty years. You're getting into Cleveland Brown
territory here, I mean, so that you can see it
as this now it's down with Cleveland, it's Detroit before
Dan Campbell took over. That's what it is. That's what
the job is. I saw Micah Parsons today saying, hey,
(34:18):
we got to go after Tyreek Hill. That's not the solution.
You got a medaling owner who's hey, I bought this
for me, not my kids. So I mean, one of
the reasons people are bringing this up, and I think
it's real reality, is Mike McCarthy is considering other jobs.
And think about that. When Mike McCarthy took the Cowboy job,
(34:40):
he now acknowledges he kind of bsked his way into it, saying, hey,
I watched every one of the Cowboys plays, and then
he admitted le years later, I didn't really watch all
of their plays. So Mike McCarthy was on the beach
and wasn't getting offers. He was down in his basement
dreaming up you know, he was cooking up some story
that I'm watching all the Cowboy plays and I sit
here and do analyt, and I think Mike's a good coach.
(35:01):
I really do. I think Mike McCarthy's a good coach.
But just to give you a sense of where the
Cowboys are now, there are multiple legitimate reporters who I
followed for years. Who are now saying McCarthy's considering leaving Dallas,
he's considering other jobs. What does that tell you? I mean,
you know, McVeigh may go to broadcasting. Mcveigh's not going.
(35:23):
You know that Arizona Cardinal job is very interesting to me.
Mcvay's like, I'm the Rams coach, or I'll go work
for Amazon. I mean, that's what he's gonna do. So
I think this is a I don't I know Mike Rabel,
but I haven't asked him about the Cowboys job, and
I have no information, but this idea that it's a
great job ownership recent history quarterback roster. I mean, go
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look at Detroit roster, in Philadelphia's roster, Go look at
Baltimore's roster. I'm not even mentioned in Kansas City. I'm
not even They're not even on the table yet. Go
look at Buffalo's roster. I've said this, if the Rams
had a number one corner and that's going to probably
be their first or second pick in the draft. If
the Rams, because they're a very very young team on defense,
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if the Rams had one more X receiver on the sideline,
because Cooper cups aging and they need to they need
to down the field guy pukahs sort of around the
middle of the field and a corner. The Rams roster
suddenly is really really good. Jmac doesn't believe it, but
it's really really good. So herd hierarchy top of the hour.
It's this this this coaching thing is fascinating. So if
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you look at the top of the draft, if the
current draft order, it's basically teams that run through coaches
and gms. It's just chaos. The Steelers are the opposite
where they never make changes. And I think you have
to be careful if you run a business saying, hey,
stability is the key. Stability like anything else, is overrated.
(36:58):
Stability is in important, but stability for stability's sake is overrated.
And so yeah, you look at the top of the
draft order, Tennessee, Cleveland, Patriots, Jags, Raiders, Jets, Panthers, Yeah, Bears,
it's just just constant change. But you know what would
stabilize any of these is getting the right coach. If
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Mike Vrabel gets the Patriots job, they're not getting another
coach for five years, so they'll be out of this list.
So that's why I say the fascinating situation this weekend
in the NFL. There are two that really really to me.
You're riveting Sam Darnold against the Rams, what's that performance
look like? And Pittsburgh against Baltimore. If Pittsburgh gets run
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out of the building thirty four to ten, not competitive,
Andy Reid and Bill Belichick got let go. You can't
tell me you can't have discussions. The other team in
that state the Philadelphia Eagles, who have in dynamic for
the last decade. They're the franchise in the state that
wins a bunch of games and is relevant. They're moving
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through coaches, they keep taking big swings. They like Chip
Kelly for a couple of years, and they didn't like him,
and they like Doug Peterson and they want to they
want a trophy, and then they didn't like him. So
Philadelphia has proven you can move off winning coaches. Kansas
City has moved off winning coaches. You can do that too.
This this whole idea of stability for stability, say, it's
(38:29):
like loyalty. I'm loyal until I shouldn't be loyalty for
loyalty's sake. Sometimes is suckerville.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
So we'll do a quick pop quiz.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
What was the last Pittsburgh Steelers playoff victory for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I would say six years ago, six eight years.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Ago January of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So I was right six years ago, seven years ago.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And the last few times they've been to the playoffs,
they got their butts kicked by the Bills.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
They lost by.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Four team to the Chiefs, by twenty one to the
Browns in the I think that was the Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Ask yourself this, here's the bigger question. It's one thing
winning a playoff game. When is the last time the
Steelers beat a legitimate top five quarterback in a playoff game?
Because that's what the great franchises do, That's what Kansas
City does, That's what Philadelphia does. When is the last time,
I mean, the Philadelphia Eagles beat Brady in the Super Bowl?
The New York Giants at their best beat Brady twice
(39:25):
in the Super Bowl. When is the last Steeler playoff
win over a Manning a Brady, you know, a big
boy quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I'm not been a while, but this is the again.
This is like the Portland Trailblazers argument from the NBA.
They had Damian Lillard and CJ. McCollum, an awesome backcourt.
You were guaranteed forty five fifty wins, hold on and
the playoffs every year, and maybe one year you'd make
a run. So you were going to be good and
you're gonna be in the postseason. That's what the Steelers
are for the last eight years. They're gonna be good
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in the season and they're gonna make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Is that not good enough for you?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Pinch me, tell me it's real, hippie.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Come on,
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Jaymack in one hour, Nick Wright, Herd Hierarchy. I'm so
fired up. There are so many things percolating in the NFL,
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with all these job openings. It is crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't know what's wilder.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Your your hair flow this morning, or you coming off
the birthday with a bunch of hot takes today.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, it was a hot take birthday for se Man.
I brought in a lot of smoke.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Just give yourself a nickname Seaman.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, everywhere everywhere people were nice to me yesterday. So
thank you very much, and we move on in life. Okay,
So I look at the Bears list for reported interview
requests for the Chicago Bears for their job head coaching job.
I mean I follow this league. There's a couple of guys.
(01:23):
I mean, there's not this many great candidates. Why are
you wasting your time? I mean Anthony Weaver Dolphins defensive coordinator.
Did you watch the Dolphins at any point this year
and go, man? That defense is something else? Drew Petsing
offensive coordinator Arizona. Folks, this is not American idol. I'm
(01:44):
not here for the fun tryouts. The hell you doing?
And you're you're wasting time on second, third tier candidates.
Somebody else is hiring Mike Vrabel, What are you doing here?
I mean the Chargers last year in late November in
the building, we're talking about two candidates, Harbaugh and Vrabel.
(02:09):
It was late November early December, and they narrowed it
down in the office to two guys they really wanted.
One is great now and one Mike Rabel's the best
candidate this year. So you know what's the Bear's path.
This is just too broad of a list. It's unserrious.
You can't have thirteen people. Let's be honest about this
(02:31):
year's candidates. There's one a candidate, Mike Vrabel. That's it.
I do think Pete Carroll and Brian Floores are worth
a zoom call, but they're not a candidates. Flores too intense,
didn't work in Miami, though I like him and think
he deserves a second chance, and Pete Carroll again tends
to be too loyal to average assistance. I think he's
(02:52):
worth the zoom call. I am not hiring a coordinator
for the Bear's job, and I think Aaron Glenn is great.
Ben Johnson likewise, too big of a job, too big
of a list, and coordinator candidates are like half a candidate.
You don't know if it's gonna work. You know Mike
Frabl's gonna work. So I look at this Bears list.
(03:12):
When you're hiring a head coach. It's a little bit
like house hunting in a really competitive market. You don't
have time to waste. If you qualify for a five
million dollar house, skip the fixer uppers, don't even stop
off at the condos, get to the big boy houses.
Don't waste your time. It's a competitive market, so it's
I mean this list is a who's who of who's he?
(03:34):
What are we doing here? No waste of time for
the Chicago Bears, And you know it's it's this is
too big of a job for ninety percent of the
guys on this list, and you should have it narrowed down.
I mean, you got rid of Matt Eberflus the day
after Thanksgiving, and it's what January seventh. If if you
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fire a coach the day after Thanksgiving and it's the
day that is officially too late to say Happy New
Years to people in the office, you're wasting your time.
Get to it. It's the prom. Either asked the girl
out or she's dancing with somebody else. But this list
is just it's unseerious. This is an unseerious list. I've
(04:17):
said before. It is too complicated, too political, too big, historically,
too wonky for a coordinator, even a great one, even
a great one. And you could say, well, look at
what Sean McVeigh did. Stan Kronky's one of the richest,
smartest owners in the NFL. Jeff Fisher sort of felt
(04:38):
a little outdated. Offensively, McVeigh knocked everybody's socks off, But
you had Stan Kronk. You had, you know, a number
one picket quarterback and some good players on the roster.
You needed a left tackle and a head coach. But
there was stuff working there, an organization that had had
some success. Chicago is this is an eight hundred pound lift.
(05:03):
I mean, this is a big lift. Albert Breer yesterday,
I mean this, this list I'm looking at now has
got un serious candidates. Here's Albert Breer yesterday on the
Bears job.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
They haven't won a playoff game in fourteen years, and
I think if they look in the mirror, that's what
they'll find, is that there are issues there that go
deeper than just one coach or how just one player
is developed.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
If they do.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Bring in a guy who's a leader of men, who
works on the defensive side, that person is going to
have to come in with a very clear, concise plan
for the quarterback, and not just for the next year
or two, but going forward. If you lose an offensive coach,
how do you replace them?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All of that stuff? There's you know, one of the
things that it's it's hard to say it out loud,
but it's sort of true. In every business I've ever
been in, there's a really small, finite number of candidates
qualified for most jobs, and you look at the resume
and you make a couple of calls and the list
(05:58):
gets whittled down very quickly. The Chargers figured it out
after hiring like Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley. Dean Spanos
figured out, I need a culture changer. We are lost
as a franchise. We are on fire. I got to
bring in the number one captain. I got to bring
in the fire captain in the big truck. And they
(06:19):
went Vrabel interviewed him and Jim Harbaugh and Vrabel, by
the way, they called Rabel after they decided on Harbaugh,
and they said, you were amazing, and if Jim Harbaugh
is not in the market, you are amazing. I heard
this from like six different people in the Chargers building.
They loved Rabel. They thought they were going to hire Rabel.
(06:39):
They loved him, and so, I mean they got down
very quickly to the two candidates. You're talking Jets and Bears.
You can't have thirteen people up for it. Are not thirteen
people on the planet that can turn around the Jets
and the Bears. Okay, I saw this story, and I
have heard something similar we've discussed it this week. I
(07:00):
think Jmax said this, The Minnesota Vikings are a fascinating
team this offseason. They got this brilliant offensive coach. They
have Sam Darnald, a reclamation project who until Sunday was
in the MVP race, and then they brought in Daniel
Jones in November, and then they drafted JJ McCarthy. Well,
according to Jeff Howe of the Athletic JJ McCarthy would
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rank over Shador Sanders and Cam Ward by several executives
and coaches. That is what I have heard. That is
what I have heard from people i've asked that JJ
McCarthy would be higher ranked than the two quarterbacks. Doesn't
mean everybody's right or my sources are right, but that's
what you're hearing. And that's why this game for Sam
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Darnald against the Rams is fascinating. And there are times
I get nervous for young athletes because I know so
much is on the line. Think about Sam Darnold, Southern
California kid, when he plays the Rams in LA. It's
one hundred million dollar football game. Kevin O'Connell could lose it,
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So what McVeigh could lose it? So what Stafford could
lose it? If Sam Darnald loses plays poorly, I mean
that people are going to make a decision that it's
just all Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson and Jordan Andison
and in the end, the elite competition, big stage, he
couldn't handle it. The market drives up. I don't even know.
(08:24):
I don't even know if the Vikings keep it. But
if Sam crushes, he's either getting franchised for a year
in Minnesota. I would guess maybe they signed him to
a contract franchise, or he goes to the market, and
you got teams like the Raiders. Now they don't have
a great draft pick, they may spend a fortune on him,
and I wouldn't doubt it. So it's a one hundred
million dollar a game. And here's the thing that is
(08:46):
cruel and unfair in sports, but it is a fact.
Sam Darnald was one kind of quarterback for six years.
Super athletic, big arm, but reckless, big too many mistakes
in big spots. That's what he was. And that's where
my brain goes, and your brain goes, and general manager's
brains go. When we see the Detroit game, Yeah too much.
(09:09):
Jews can't make the play, missing open wide receivers. That's
where our brains go. And it's like, it's almost like
if you miss a big free throw in the NBA
Finals as a young player. Nick Anderson did this for
Orlando against Houston. You have to hit so many big
free throws for me to forget about that free throw
you missed in the finals. And Nick Anderson didn't. And
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that's what I remember him for. And he was a
good guy and a good player, but that's what I
remember him for. And so if Sam Donald beats the
Rams wins a playoff game, then Detroit's on one off.
It was Detroit. It was the biggest game in fifty years.
The Lions have better players. I forget all about it.
But it's almost like Sam Darnold has been type cast.
(09:56):
It's like Daniel Radcliffe, Harry Potter. He has got to
be in so many movies for me not to see
Harry Potter every time I look at him. You put
him in a crime drama, I'm like I was getting
cast a spell on somebody. I mean, I'm sorry, that's
what I see. I mean, he got to be in
so many movies. And so this game for Donald is
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making me nervous. I try not to pick winners on this.
I just want Donald to play well. And Jmax over
here got the Rams rolling in this game. He's got
me all freaking out. It's my birthday week. I need
some symmetry. I need I need calmb and this. And
the Darnald situation is if I see something for six
(10:40):
years and then all of a sudden, you're really good
and I'm starting to forget about it in all all
biggest game, that's roy brain goes, and that's where GM's
brains go. So the Vikings are a fascinating team and
I don't think they have the answers yet. I think
they're waiting for this Rams game and they want to
see it. And I don't think they were going to
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be Detroit anyway. I don't think it was a winnable game.
I said it last week. Take the Lions. This is
going to be a crazy, standalone, once in a generation
game for the Lions. Good luck Sam Darnold, but it's cruel.
I still think Nick Anderson I think miss free throw
in the finals because he didn't go back and hit
thirteen big free throws in the finals to make me
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forget Michael Jordan miss free throws in the finals. Lebron
has missed dozens of big free throws, but he's hit
enough that I forgot about it. I mean Chris Webber,
the guy that called time out. If Chris Weber would
have gone on to win four titles in the NBA,
that barely makes his resume.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But his NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Career was a little sideways and wonky and underachieving. So
that's what I think of, And it's just it's unfair,
but that's where my brain goes. And Jmack the whole
time here has got a very confident smirk looking at it.
You love the Rams in this game.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You see the line, you see the screen.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It was two and a half yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Now it's one and a half. Obviously, you know just
one point. But I'm just telling you there's a lot
of support for the Rams in this game at home.
And you don't want to bass Darnold too much because
I know he's your guy.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You had a great season.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Listen, Lamar Jackson does this every year, amazing regular.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Season, show me the playoff success.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
When has he ever had an amazing playoff game in
a big spot.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, for a long time people said that to be
fair about Peyton Manning in the play, it was true.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
At the beginning.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean that's wrong with that is it's a
fact he struggled the first five years he had zero
playoff wins.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, it's not great. Take some time.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
That game is making me nervous as well.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It should. We're going to try to go to that, right,
do you like to go to that?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Use your superpowers to cook us.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Listen, I have superpowers. One day my birthday, I can
ask for stuff in my broad I got free kke
yesterday and a backpack.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
What if you sold the Rams? Both of our birthdays
are this week?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Could you hook us up? Make it happen.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, it's a small game that nobody's going to thirty
one fourteen. Oh, come on, I don't want thirty one.
I'm not interested in that. I want thirty twenty seven.
Anybody could have won. Heroic performances by Stafford and Darnold.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Whose house Ram's House?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Ye have.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oubnoxious.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (13:26):
App Well, things change very quickly in the NFL, and
we know that a month ago the Steeters were ten
and three and we were talking about Russell Wilson getting
a real contract extension. Mike Tomlin was giving thumbs up
to the cameras and he was winking and hugging Russell Wilson.
It was a feel good story. Four games later, they're
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a ten point underdog to their biggest rival, Baltimore, and
Mike Tomlin is saying, according to reports this morning, yeah
we may go back to the other guy, Justin Fields. Yeah.
Justin Fields is fourteen and third already is a starter
with a passer rating under eighty five, and he gets
hurt a lot. That's not the answer. This is something
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and I know I can sound preachy, so I'll try
not to. But this is something I've been on with
defensive head coaches for a long time. They do not
Since the urgency at quarterback, I have watched Kyle Shanahan
move off, Jimmy Garoppolo, who got his team to a
Super Bowl, Andy Reid move off, the very good Alec Smith,
(14:28):
Sean mcvayh move off super Bowl quarterback Jared Goff you're
watching GoF deal in Detroit. He's an a quarterback in
this league. So defensive coaches do this regularly. And when
Pete Carroll said, you know, hey, Gino Smith is my
guy John Snyder, the GM decided Pete, You're not my guy.
And I think it was probably the right decision. So
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memo to defensive head coaches, the best quarterback eight for eight,
won every division. And yesterday for my birthday, my staff
at the ball got me a gift which was incredibly thoughtful.
Is that you know, I worked in Portland for a
long time and I knew Phil Knight, and I've always
had great respect for Nike and its vision and its business.
(15:09):
And when Phil Knights founded the company, he had this manifesto,
I guess is lack of a better word, of manifesto,
the ten principles you know of Nike, and what number
one was, our business is change and the number two
was we're on offense all the time. Phil Knight would
have been a good NFLGM and head coach. The league
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has changed, it has changed. Eight for eight best quarterback
won every division. I thought Kirk Cousins throughout the rest
of the year would be the best quarterback. He was
the best quarterback in his division until about October thirtieth,
and then Baker was. But that's just the way it works.
And so you can talk about play calling this and that,
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and people are making moose Who's got the best quarterback?
There was one great coaching candidate last year. You could
argue Belichick all go Jim Harball. What job did he take?
Did he take an organization that had a history of
Super Bowls? No, that had the best roster? Know, he
took a team that was in the division with Andy
Reid and Mahomes because they had Justin Herbert. Think about that,
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Think about that, Think about the power of Justin Herbert.
Is that Jim Harbaugh could have had fifteen teams and
he chose the team in a division with Mahomes and
Andy Reid and the Hunt family and Brett Veach top
to bottom, A plus A plus I want to go
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in that division? Why why would you do that? The
Chargers have a lot of Super Bowls, They have a
history of winning big games. The opposite, well, why would
you do that? Justin Herbert? And now they're in the
playoffs and a favorite in Round one. So whenever the
NFL innovates. It is overwhelmingly on offense. I mean, there
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are fourteen teams in the playoffs, thirteen of a better
quarterback situation than the Steelers, So it's I think it's
fair to start asking questions. And Mike Tomlin, I mean
I gave him credit. Justin Fields had a four and
two record, and he replaced him, and everybody thought he
was wrong. Remember this SoundBite, your boldest decisions to go
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with three.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
You know, I'm a Pittsburgh out from East Liberty. That's
why I'm well compensated.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I love that answer, and I love his defiance. But
if we're all being realistic here at quarterback for the Steelers,
the answer is not in the building, right, It's probably
not in the building. Jmack with the news. No, no, no,
the news.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
All right, let's start with troubling news out of Philadelphia.
Nick Sirianni has told the media that Jalen Hurts is
still in concussion protocol. This is not good, Colin. He
has missed the last two weeks. Sirianni has no other updates,
but he isn't worried about him being rusted.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
If he's rusty, sorry.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
If he's available, Packer's still four and a half point
underdogs in Philly. I mean, does this take away the
tush push if you will, Like, you can't do that
with a guy coming out of concussion protocol. I wonder
how limited Hurts will be as a runner, which is
when he is a big factor.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I didn't think much of this story, and I don't
think I'll make much of this story until tomorrow. Okay,
if he's in protocol tomorrow. But I do feel like,
what's the rush? He knows the offense. Season's never been longer,
He's played a ton of games. They have a dominating team,
They'll be at home. They're a heavy favorite over a
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banged up Packers team, So I don't I'm not too
worried about it yet. I honestly think that the Eagles
are good enough to win with a backup quarterback. I
really do.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Have you had a concussion in the last I don't know,
fifteen times, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I don't think I've ever had one. I've gotten banged
up a few times about that skiing thing. I did
not have a concussion, broke ribs, but I don't. I
did not have a I don't think I've ever had
a concussion. I can remember one, you know, one incident
in my life where I was fuzzy, but I don't
think it qualified as anything more than that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
So I got one in a soccer tournament two years ago.
And I'm just telling you, like, you're in a fog
and you're not supposed to be on your phone and
you're not supposed to watch TV. You just aren't really
processing stuff here slow, you're tired, you're lethargic. Now make
that an NFL quarterback when you've got to do so
many things in Colin. There are some numbers floating around
the web about people have charted quarterbacks coming off a concussion.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's not good. The first game not good.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Significantly lower.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yes, so.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You're right, maybe tomorrow's panic time for the Eagles, But
I don't know if it's going to be who the
backup is Pickett? Remember he got dinged up and then
what's his name? Tanner McFee or something like that, though
I think Stanford quarterback could could he be in line.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
To start that That's not.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Great for the Philadelphia at home with this roster against
the young Packers team now missing Christian Watson, I think
is good enough to win a close game at home.
It is not ideal. If Jordan Love was out, I
think the Packers would be toast in most instances. You know,
if you know, if bo Nicks was out for Denver,
they're losing by thirty. If Josh Allen's out, maybe they're
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good enough to beat Denver without him, but I don't
think so. I think Philadelphia is the one team in
this league. And this is no disrespect to Green Bay.
They are so good and they have so many weapons
that I think at Kenny Pickett could play a game
and win a game, a low scoring, close game. It
will not They'll not win a shootout. But I think
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Philadelphia have that much respect for their personal I mean,
we did this before they got They're like Detroit, and
they've even more so than Detroit. They've got nine or
ten elite players and almost everyone in a unit. They
got corners, pass rushers, D line, lineback, O line, every
unit has a star. Even Detroit can't say that. Buffalo
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can't say that. Philly can.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I would boy if the Packers ended up advancing here
and facing the Lions. Do you remember how good that
Monday night game was it mondaye It was a Monday
night game Packers Lions.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
If I'm the Lions, I would take green Bay something
I know over Philadelphia. I don't want to face. Philadelphia
is the one team that conflecs and has better players
than we do. I'm gonna take green Bay. I'm familiar
with them. I think I have a better team than them,
and a better roster than them, better coach. Well, neither
one has a ring, so let's just leave it though.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Oh, lafloor ver, Sirianni, are you kidding? That's not even close.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Listen, Sirianni's winning a lot of games. I'm a laflor guy,
but I listen. I've said I'm wrong on Sirianni. I
didn't like the opening presser. I don't like the nonsense
with fans. I'm clearly wrong. It works.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
He's just winning games.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
He's got a loaded, amazing team.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
He doesn't I can admit when I'm wrong. It's it's
you know, it's just I see a lot of his
stuff as childish, but you know it's an emotional game.
Your football players are twenty eight years old. They rally
around him. They don't judge as harshly as I would do.
So the guy's working. It works like you have to
be able to in our profession to just say, you know.
It's like if you're a political pundit and you're absolutely
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sure one candidate's going to win and they don't, you
have to show up the next day and go I
was wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Next up is sticking in the NFC East. The New
York Giants a lot of work to do this offseason.
Got a fan of find a franchise quarterback, among other things,
but they are keeping their head coach in GM owner
John Marra announced he will be retaining Dable and Shane
next season, but it sounds like they're going to be
on a short lease.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Listen to this, I understand.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I believe me that that's not going to be the
most popular decision in Giant Land, but we believe it's
the right decision for us going forward.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
How long will it take to improve the product? John,
They're had too long?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Just about run out of patients.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I've run out of pa Hey, you can keep your job,
but I'm running out of patience.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Not great, and Colin would sit and fourth in the draft.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Now I would have kept day Ball for the record,
let's put our let's put our name on it. I
would have kept day Ball. I could have moved off
the GM and been okay with that. I do not
love what I saw in hard knocks with the GM. Yeah,
I've got two people that have dealt with his GM
and have had reservations with the situations. I am a
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day Ball fan, and I think this franchise, they're the
one franchise in the league. Maybe there's two where I
think they have a lot of pieces, just not the quarterback.
I don't think the Giants are miles away.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I don't so okay, So he says, I'm running out
of patience Colin at four, you're not getting cam word
or should do it.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't believe the top two teams could take them.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Okay, give me the draft order right now. One need
a quarterback at two. Did you see Deshaun Watson had
a set back for mis Achilles. That's a big sign
they're taking a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
His career is a setback.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I would agree. Giants.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh, it says three here, So I don't think they're
getting a quarterback at three.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Patriots are at four. My bad. So now you're looking
at free agency.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Sam Darnold, Kirk Cousins. Are any of those guys turning
the fortunes around for the Giants?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well, the Giants aren't winning a Super Bowl next year.
I just don't think they're that far off.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Are we looking at Gardner Minshew starting for the Giants
next year?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know who's it going to be.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, you are a Jets fancy. You tend to be
a little harsh on the Giants prospects. I think they're
going to land a quarterback. I do not think it's
a great quarterback draft class, but I think they'll land one.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I've droptimism.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'll tell you what I would do if I was
the GM. I would trade down. I would make the
roster fantastic, and then I would consider kirk Cousins for
a year. I would I think the Giants roster is close.
I think it needs about four dudes. They have to up.
They need another receiver, they need a tight end that
can keep going putting people on the dro line.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Offensive line has holes.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, so I I quick you league. My rule on
the NFL draft has never changed. Unless there's an Andrew
Lot or a transformational quarterback, or you need a quarterback
and there is one you like, you always trade down.
This will be a uh. I just talked to an
organization over the weekend that wants to trade down, and
their concern is nobody wants to trade up. So this
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organization has some needs and they're trying to fix them
and there's just not a lot of takers moving up.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, that's not great.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The final story is my New York Jets, another team
with a crummy off season ahead. You're looking for a
head coach, a GM, and hopefully a quarterback. So talking
to the New York Post, owner Woody Johnson would not
say he would be under center next season and added
the answers won't come until the new head coach and
GM are in place. Interesting, the coach will have to
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decide what the quarterback situation is. That's going to be
a very important job for the GM and the coach.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So that's interesting. There's been all this speculation that Aaron Rodgers.
He keeps saying that I've never been fired by a teenager.
Now the owner is saying the coach will make the call.
So that leads me to believe Aaron's the guy, and
I think he should be. I would bring Aaron back absolutely,
so that that that feels like that's a change. A
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week ago. This thing was swimming in question marks. That
is definitive.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
All Right, let's just I'll just toss this out there.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Just a name.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
So let's say the Jets settle on Brian Floores is
the head coach. Okay, they decide that's the guy that
he would im just.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Picking a name.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I don't have any IMPAILTI, and then Aaron Rodgers says.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Eh, I don't want to play for that guy.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I don't think Aaron Rodgers is in a position to
see you don't.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Think he could just up and retire mister darkness retreat.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh? I think he could, and that would be fine.
But I don't think Aaron has a huge mark. I
think he has probably a two to a three team market,
I do. I think. I think Aaron's play in the
last two months was pretty darn good. I think it
was pretty good. He had one stinker, and he played
very very well.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
He watched his buddy Brett fav hold the Packers hostage
for many years, and then there was the Jets.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
He's king.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I'm just telling you there's gonna be This is gonna
be an ugly offseason because you know what, Aaron loves
seeing his name in the headlines. He's gonna go on podcast,
He's gonna be a doing this.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And that and well, let's let's let's.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
He can hold the Jets hostage as long as he wants.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't think that's his personality. I don't think Aaron's
gonna hold people. I think Aaron just said something recently
where he said, these have been the two best years
of my life, meaning winning isn't that important to him,
because he was rehabbed for one year and got his
head kicked in the other year, So it's the worst
two years of football in his life. And he said
it was the best two years of his life. So
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Aaron would be willing to stay in New York if
he liked the vibe. I mean, Aaron just said his words,
these are the two best years of my life. Can
you imagine Mahomes or Brady or Peyton, Manning or Breeze
after two awful years of winning games saying as the
best two years of my life. So Aaron's different. It's
not about winning, that's not the most important thing. He's
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saying these are the two best years of my life.
So it's a vibe thing, and I think Aaron is
sort of open minded and would be willing to accept
a new coach. I don't think he's gonna hold anybody hostage.
I don't think he has that kind of market leverage.
This is my take.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Sounds so depressing.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
This is what this is.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
You know the fandom I picked when I was a young,
like eight year old kid.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Jmack with the news, Well, dead's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Herd Line news. You know you
you kids make choices, and that was your choice. Nick.
Right top of the hour, Mark Sanchez too heard hierarchy
our final regular season, heard hierarchy. I think we got
about four or five teams that can win a Super Bowl,
and then about four or five teams that can win
(28:56):
a playoff game or two. And we'll have that around
the corner.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
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Speaker 2 (29:05):
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Speaker 3 (29:08):
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Speaker 1 (29:14):
Fucking All Right, top of next hour, Herd Hierarchy and
Nick Right, Mark Sanchez Today too, great Tuesday Show. Great
to have you in this time. Next week we'll be
talking Rams Vikings because that game's on next Monday, so
we'll be toping on our show Tuesday. On that. We
started today talking about the Bears coaching search, and there
was a list that was published of thirteen different candidates.
And here's the thing. It's like, there's one great candidate.
(29:36):
I would hire a proven head coach. I'd hire Mike Vrabel,
I'd consider Pete Carroll. But things a lot of people
in my space in the media are terrified of getting
criticized by like irrelevant bloggers and trolls, and so they
don't take swings on stuff and they're afraid to. I'm
gonna walk on next s Shell. I'll throw one at you.
Mike Tomlin coach and the Bears. If the Bears get
(29:58):
blown out this weekend by Baltimore Steelers, excuse me, Mike
Tomlin and the Steelers, if they get blown out this weekend,
I think they're gonna have discussions in the room in Pittsburgh.
I would have them, and I think I'd move And
you think it's crazy. Did you think it was gonna
happen that Katie was gonna go to the Warriors. Did
you predict that or Joe Montana would be bailed on
by San Francisco the most popular player ever and end
(30:21):
up in Kansas City. Did you think Brett farv would
be leading the Vikings to an NFC championship. Crazy stuff
happens in sports. And if I'm Chicago, the number one
candidate to me is Vrabel or a Mike Tomlin. You
can't have some coordinator walk into town with a snazzy
resume and he's a scheme guy. Scheme guys don't fix
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tire fires. You need a real mechanic who owns his
own shop. You're not gonna have a guy kid back there.
He can put on a tire that's not gonna work.
This is a big lift. And if Tomlin gets blown out,
they're ten point dogs, and they've had a bad end
of the season and he's been getting criticism forever. And
I like Mike Tomlin, I like Pete Carry, but I
mean Andy Reid got let go, Bill Belichick got fired.
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You could have the discussion. You can be a grown
up and have a discussion. I would if I was
the Chicago Bears, and I ran him, and I don't
and I never will, and that's obvious. I would be
all over Mike Rabel. I'd have Pete Carroll on on
speed dial, and I'd be watching the Steelers outcome against
the Raiders. I don't think of Ravens. I don't think
it's crazy at all. This organization needs a swing. I mean,
(31:27):
it's like it's funny because I saw this story this
morning where there was a reporter at a radio station
in Dallas who said Mike Brabel would want this job
one hundred percent. He would want the Cowboys job. And
I think, you know the Cowboys job. It's interesting. I
think the Cowboys and people in the Dallas media view
the job one way and the rest of us view
the job the other way. Just I have a rule,
(31:49):
say it out loud before you do anything in life
that's big decisions. Say it out loud. Or you're trying
to weigh if you should take a job or not
take it a job, stay at a job, not stay at
a job. Just say it out loud. Dallas Cowboys are
paying a B plus quarterback a plus money and he's
coming off another injury. We have a story today that
came out that Jerry Jones will not consider giving up
(32:11):
his GM title. That's a story out today. You think
I bought this franchise for my kids, said Jerry Jones.
I mean, listen to Jerry Jones. He goes, I bought
it for myself. Listen to this. I bought the team.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I think the first thing that came out of my
mouth anybody here was at that press conference. Okay, somebody asked,
did you buy this for you kids? And I said,
hell no, I bought it for me. And I didn't
buy an investment. I bought an occupation, and I bought
something that I was going to do. I was forty six.
I bought something I was going to do for the
rest of my life. And that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And that's fine, it's his right. But the idea of
the Cowboys is a great job. I mean, just when
you're looking for a job, what's the ownership ownership situation?
Was the roster? Look like, what's my quarterback and what
is he getting paid? And you start looking at the Cowboys.
I mean that's what I would look at if I
look for a job. Stable ownership quarterback situation is it
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a total rebuild, a semi rebuild, like the Chargers was
not a total rebuild. They had to get a right
tackle and they had to get a coach. It was
a pretty darn good roster. And what's the team's history. Well,
I mean Dallas. I mean, Dallas is one of those
things you EAT's a mirage. The Cowboy job is a mirage.
You look at that job and you think it's paradise,
and it's more like Firefest, that music festival. I mean,
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you think you see one thing, you go look at
that Philadelphia roster. How many players for the Cowboys in
an offensive league offensively would start for them? Ceedee Lamb
would be in the rotation or receiver. That's about it.
Zach Martin, old expensive, little brittle wouldn't start for me.
I'd take their guards. So, I mean, since two thousand,
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the Cowboys have fewer playoff wins than the New York Jets.
We looked it up. They have not been to a
conference championship in thirty years. You're getting into Cleveland Brown
territory here, I mean, so that you can see it
as this now it's down with Cleveland, it's Detroit before
Dan Campbell took over. That's what it is. That's what
the job is. I saw Micah Parsons today saying, hey,
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we got to go after Tyreek Hill. That's not the solution.
You got a medaling owner who's hey, I bought this
for me, not my kids. So I mean, one of
the reasons people are bringing this up, and I think
it's real reality, is Mike McCarthy is considering other jobs.
And think about that. When Mike McCarthy took the Cowboy job,
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he now acknowledges he kind of bsked his way into it, saying, hey,
I watched every one of the Cowboys plays, and then
he admitted le years later, I didn't really watch all
of their plays. So Mike McCarthy was on the beach
and wasn't getting offers. He was down in his basement
dreaming up you know, he was cooking up some story
that I'm watching all the Cowboy plays and I sit
here and do analyt, and I think Mike's a good coach.
(35:01):
I really do. I think Mike McCarthy's a good coach.
But just to give you a sense of where the
Cowboys are now, there are multiple legitimate reporters who I
followed for years. Who are now saying McCarthy's considering leaving Dallas,
he's considering other jobs. What does that tell you? I mean,
you know, McVeigh may go to broadcasting. Mcveigh's not going.
(35:23):
You know that Arizona Cardinal job is very interesting to me.
Mcvay's like, I'm the Rams coach, or I'll go work
for Amazon. I mean, that's what he's gonna do. So
I think this is a I don't I know Mike Rabel,
but I haven't asked him about the Cowboys job, and
I have no information, but this idea that it's a
great job ownership recent history quarterback roster. I mean, go
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look at Detroit roster, in Philadelphia's roster, Go look at
Baltimore's roster. I'm not even mentioned in Kansas City. I'm
not even They're not even on the table yet. Go
look at Buffalo's roster. I've said this, if the Rams
had a number one corner and that's going to probably
be their first or second pick in the draft. If
the Rams, because they're a very very young team on defense,
(36:08):
if the Rams had one more X receiver on the sideline,
because Cooper cups aging and they need to they need
to down the field guy pukahs sort of around the
middle of the field and a corner. The Rams roster
suddenly is really really good. Jmac doesn't believe it, but
it's really really good. So herd hierarchy top of the hour.
It's this this this coaching thing is fascinating. So if
(36:33):
you look at the top of the draft, if the
current draft order, it's basically teams that run through coaches
and gms. It's just chaos. The Steelers are the opposite
where they never make changes. And I think you have
to be careful if you run a business saying, hey,
stability is the key. Stability like anything else, is overrated.
(36:58):
Stability is in important, but stability for stability's sake is overrated.
And so yeah, you look at the top of the
draft order, Tennessee, Cleveland, Patriots, Jags, Raiders, Jets, Panthers, Yeah, Bears,
it's just just constant change. But you know what would
stabilize any of these is getting the right coach. If
(37:20):
Mike Vrabel gets the Patriots job, they're not getting another
coach for five years, so they'll be out of this list.
So that's why I say the fascinating situation this weekend
in the NFL. There are two that really really to me.
You're riveting Sam Darnold against the Rams, what's that performance
look like? And Pittsburgh against Baltimore. If Pittsburgh gets run
(37:45):
out of the building thirty four to ten, not competitive,
Andy Reid and Bill Belichick got let go. You can't
tell me you can't have discussions. The other team in
that state the Philadelphia Eagles, who have in dynamic for
the last decade. They're the franchise in the state that
wins a bunch of games and is relevant. They're moving
(38:06):
through coaches, they keep taking big swings. They like Chip
Kelly for a couple of years, and they didn't like him,
and they like Doug Peterson and they want to they
want a trophy, and then they didn't like him. So
Philadelphia has proven you can move off winning coaches. Kansas
City has moved off winning coaches. You can do that too.
This this whole idea of stability for stability, say, it's
(38:29):
like loyalty. I'm loyal until I shouldn't be loyalty for
loyalty's sake. Sometimes is suckerville.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
So we'll do a quick pop quiz.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
What was the last Pittsburgh Steelers playoff victory for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I would say six years ago, six eight years.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Ago January of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So I was right six years ago, seven years ago.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And the last few times they've been to the playoffs,
they got their butts kicked by the Bills.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
They lost by.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Four team to the Chiefs, by twenty one to the
Browns in the I think that was the Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Ask yourself this, here's the bigger question. It's one thing
winning a playoff game. When is the last time the
Steelers beat a legitimate top five quarterback in a playoff game?
Because that's what the great franchises do, That's what Kansas
City does, That's what Philadelphia does. When is the last time,
I mean, the Philadelphia Eagles beat Brady in the Super Bowl?
The New York Giants at their best beat Brady twice
(39:25):
in the Super Bowl. When is the last Steeler playoff
win over a Manning a Brady, you know, a big
boy quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I'm not been a while, but this is the again.
This is like the Portland Trailblazers argument from the NBA.
They had Damian Lillard and CJ. McCollum, an awesome backcourt.
You were guaranteed forty five fifty wins, hold on and
the playoffs every year, and maybe one year you'd make
a run. So you were going to be good and
you're gonna be in the postseason. That's what the Steelers
are for the last eight years. They're gonna be good
(39:51):
in the season and they're gonna make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Is that not good enough for you?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Pinch me, tell me it's real, hippie.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Come on,
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