3 & Out - Future of the Raiders, 49ers make coaching changes, Kauff on Campus - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoffe to renow podcast. Hopefully everyone's doing well. I

(00:21):
thought we'd do a little rapid fire, some NFL stories,
Belichick raiders, Shanahan fires, DC Mike McDaniel says fines do
not work for keeping people late to meetings. Some quick
thoughts on Tiger Woods the simulator. I watched that while
I was eating dinner last night. A couple quick thoughts.
People have asked Jackson will join us, We'll talk a

(00:43):
little college football. He's got a big Notre Dame game, though,
I kind of like Penn State in that game. So
we got a playoff game Thursday, got a playoff game Friday.
As well as subscribe to the podcast. If you listen
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contents up there as well. We have reaction videos basically
Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night, Monday night.

(01:05):
A lot of football coming up, so buckle up. But
before we dive into any football or sports, I do
just want to say anyone, obviously you're directly impacted by
the fire, you are probably not listening to this podcast.
I know we have a big presence, you know, listenership
in southern California and if you are not impact and

(01:26):
I'm sure you know people we all do. I got
a text message in the middle of the day today
that Maria's aunt she's my fiance, not the aunt, but
Maria lives in Pasadena. Had to evacuate last night right
around seven or eight o'clock. Had to re evacuate from
where she was at four in the morning. And she
also got a text in the middle of the night
where she leaned over that one of her best friend's husbands,

(01:51):
who we were just with a couple of weeks ago
during Christmas, who is a San Francisco firefighter, got a
call in the middle of the night basically get ready,
come on and we're rolling down South. And honestly, stuff
like that just goes man. I mean, it just shows
you these people that when there is danger and people
the first responders in any of these situations that run

(02:13):
into danger while us just civilians run away from it.
It really just tears at your heart because these people
will do anything to save people's lives that they don't know.
And you know, Corey doesn't even live down there. He's
just he's a Northern California firefighter, but he has so
much experience of doing stuff up north and honestly makes

(02:34):
me question myself personally, like God, I have such a
trivial role in society just being a podcaster. You know,
this guy's been in the Navy. He was in you know,
Navy seals training. Now he's firefighter saving. Last year he
got a medal honor for saving a police officer's life
who during a storm had a tree fall on him.
He actually was just randomly driving by on an off day,

(02:54):
had no skills and saved the guy's life. And it
just it just tears your heart. And then you see
the visuals of this fire. I mean anytime I've never
been around one hundred mile an hour winds, it's like
it's like fire tornado. And you text people that know
that area. I don't know La that well, but they're

(03:15):
just giving you updates of like, yeah, Pastena's done. Stanta
Monica is in trouble, my house is done. It's like
your house is done, yet it does not exist. It's
like holy shit. And you know, see the visuals of
the cars. People just leave their cars on the side
of the road and start, except it's not, and it's real.
And this group of firefighters and I imagine now military

(03:38):
personnel and doing everything humanly possible to slow something down
that let's face it, it's probably not slow down a bull
when there are one hundred mile an hour winds and
it just there's no stop in that. There's moving like
five football fields every thirty seconds. Like the speed in
which it's operating is insane. But these first responders, when

(04:00):
they get the call of duty, it's pack on up,
let's lock and load, let's go, let's go help. And
when literally everyone else is running away to safety, they're
running into it. So that is just it just it
just hurts your heart seeing these videos of these people
that are going to have their lives turned upside down.

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And obviously, as long as you survive and have your health,
you and your family, you can eventually replace a house
and the material things, but who knows what the what
the overall damage is gonna be when it comes to humans,
let alone. Clearly, the the structures that are being burned
down at just what looks like a historic rapid rate.

(04:46):
So let's let's try to transition into football. But again,
anyone that knows people, has family involved, knows people involved
with the fire department. It's we're all we're all there
to and we're thinking about him. And it's just for
us West Coasters that know a lot of people, you know,
in the general area. It's tough, man, it really is.

(05:10):
So I'm thinking about everybody that's involved, if anyone's listening
to this down there, and hopefully you and your family
can just get the hell out of there. We'll start
with the Raiders, And yesterday we talked about the situation
with Mark Davis, and I saw a story today how

(05:30):
you know, in five or six years he kind of
wants to hand the organization off to Tom Brady, kind
of what I was alluding to. And maybe Tom's already
told him because of like the age of his children.
Not right now, but maybe in like four or five
years after he banks much more money from Fox, that
he would be willing to kind of pivot maybe take
over the Raiders. So maybe it's not an option for

(05:51):
him to be the lead dog now like I suggested,
But clearly he's playing a major, major role as a
consultant for Mark Davis, who admitted, like my dad was
a football guy, he was a coach, he was a GM,
he knew football. I'm not a football guy, so I
need that guy in my life. And Tom Brady's now
that guy in my life. And I don't think it's

(06:13):
random that Tom and those people reached out to Belichick.
But I also think Belichick, and this is the story
that immediately goes via We're like, oh, he's gonna leave
North Carolina. You think Belichick a month ago, when he
was kind of going through the lists of like, is
anyone going to contact me? What jobs are going to
be opened? Should I take this North Carolina job? Didn't

(06:33):
consider the Raiders his I would say most successful assistant
coach protege, not as a head coach, but under him.
Josh McDaniels was their coach. Mike Lombardi's son Mick, was
on his staff. They took coordinators and other position coaches
from the Patriots. Belichick understands the inner workings of that organization,

(06:59):
even if that was pre Tom Brady, is pretty clear
not much has changed. I also think they don't have
a quarterback and they don't really have a path to one.
So when I read Diana Russini, like, yeah, he doesn't
have that much interest because he knew a month ago
that this job was going to be opened, and that,
you know, the guy he's most associated with when it

(07:19):
comes to football is now there and surely would pick
up the phone and give Bill a buzz. Who knows,
maybe they talked about it a month ago. I'm like, yeah,
not taking the Raiders job because one if your Bill
like it could go really poorly. You're in a division
with great head coaches, you have no quarterback, You're not

(07:39):
drafted in the top five. It's not a great quarterback draft.
There aren't many free agent options, and we saw Bill
when Tom Brady left and they were just kind of
in quarterback hell. It did not go well, and I
think he my educated guests would be that he thought
this one through a month ago about specifically this team,

(08:00):
and would he be interested. He has too many inside
sources and too much knowledge of everything that's gone on
in that building for the last four or five years.
To have no interest is not surprising. Kyle Shanahan fired
his defensive coordinator and it did not go well. Now

(08:22):
he did the classic, really likes the guy fires him
and is like, well, you could be our special teams coordinator.
We still want you to be the defensive coordinator. We
were just we can't have you playing that role because
that rule is more important. We'll let you be the
special teams coordinator. You can stay if you want, which
is like, so I'm not good enough for you. You

(08:42):
want me to stay because you like me personally. Always
a weird situation. I would imagine the guy eventually leaves
to another staff, But I don't blame them last offseason
for firing Steve Wilkes. Why because they're two best players,
Nick Bosa and Fred Warner did not believe in the guy.
Then they got into the position where they needed a

(09:03):
defensive coordinator and they didn't have many options. And the
guy he really wanted last year, Jeff Oulbrick, he couldn't get,
and guys like Robert Sala were not available. So now
he looks at the landscape and he goes, well, Sorenson's
not good enough, and I got Robert Sala, I got
guys like lou am Maruno just sitting out there, let alone.
Jeff Oulbrick is just available. So yeah, we're gonna pivot,

(09:27):
and here's a reality. Kyle Shanahan when he took the job,
was like infatuated with the Pete Carroll dan Quinn Gus
Bradley's scheme, partly, I think because he had gone against
it over the years as an offensive coordinator and as
the Falcons offensive coordinator with Dan was on the staff,

(09:48):
went up against it every day in practice, so he
thought highly of it. And they went all in on
the scheme in terms of zone defense with the dbs
and all in on the pass rush, which I'm never
again going all in on the pass rush. But things
have changed, and I think it's fair to say that, like,
you can't just run that defense anymore. You have to

(10:11):
have other pitches. You can't just throw the fastball every
single time and expect to get the same results when
you don't have all time great players. Part of Seattle's
defense in its heyday was they had Richard Sherman Hall
of Fame corner, They had Earl Thomas Hall of Fame
level safety. They had Cam Chanceller, one of the hardest
hitting dbs you've ever seen. They had Bobby Wagner Hall

(10:35):
of Fame linebacker. They had kJ Wright who would break
you in half. And then they had countless pass rushers
all over the place. They could rush you inside they
could rush you outside. Also, those guys could play the run,
and clearly their two linebackers could tackle. And the heyday
of the Niners had the same thing. They were good
on every level. Well, some Niner DVA is not gonna
be as good. So you got to be multiple. And

(10:55):
you can't just expect we're going like wide nines and
we're just rushing the pastor well then we're gonna run
Aroun down your throat and if we get a body
on Fred Warner, we're getting ten yards. So I think
you had to look in the mirror and go, this
isn't good enough. We gotta pivot. And I saw a
story today from Joe Cina Anderson that they're all in
on Robert Sala, Like I think the forty nine ers
got to think a little bit outside the box. Rehiring

(11:17):
Robert Sala, who is a good defensive coordinator but does
something very very specific, is what you used to like, Well,
your personnel might not be the same anymore, and maybe
it's smarter to kind of think a little differently and
challenge yourself because hiring Robert Sala is like what Belichick
always did, kept hiring the same guys because they were

(11:37):
the guys he knows, and it works as long as
you got Tom Brady leading the charge with you. But
if you don't, and the forty nine ers definitely do not,
Like I would entertain everyone on the open market, Gus
Bradley would not be hirable. I would definitely interview Lou Amaruno,
who just got fired from the Cincinnati Bengals, who just
a couple of years ago was if you just one
of the best defensive coordinators in the league. So and

(11:58):
I would imagine that's what the forty nine ers do.
And if they hire Brandon Staley, I might just quit
them as a team. Now, big picture, we can argue
to a little blue in the face, and we eventually
will whenever the numbers come out. But the forty nine
ers are signing brock Purty. Brock Purty is going to
get a long term contract from the forty nine ers.
That's not an opinion, that's a fact. And I don't

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know what the number is going to be. We can
only wait to see. Could be one hundred and forty
million dollars, could be two hundred million dollars. I am
prepared for anything. But the one thing I do know
and they reiterate it when John Lynch Kyle Shanahan talk today.
Brock Purty's going to sign a contract with the forty
nine ers. So with that just being a fact, and
we can argue when the numbers come out, is it

(12:41):
crazier is it not? But he's going to be the quarterback,
and for him to be a high end player for
the team as well, is this is not Patrick Mahomes,
is not Josh Allen, this is not Lamar Jackson. He's
never going to be able to put the team on
his back. He can play well when he's loaded up
with other players. And luckily, the fourty nine ers have
the eleventh pick in the draft, and when you have

(13:03):
a high pick, that also means you have a high
pick in the next round, pick forty three. The forty
nine ers, for whatever reason, crush the third day of
the draft. It feels like they get half their starters
starting in the fourth round through the seventh round. But
high in the draft. They have been very, very hit
or miss. If they want to sustain this team, which
is very old and highly priced, they're going to have

(13:25):
to hit a couple home runs in the first three rounds.
Whether that's the first round pick, the second round pick,
and not the third round pick, whether that's the second
round pick and the third round pick, however you get there.
But of those top three picks, which is pick eleven,
pick forty three, and I pick think pick seventy three
or seventy five, you're gonna have to get two impact
starters with those picks, No ifans or butts about it,

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because not only is it a position you haven't been
in a long time because you've been winning, you've been
picking thirty or thirty one, but this is the best
way to get high impact players for cheap. And if
you tell me the forty nine ers are gonna sustain
winning after this season, right like starting next season and

(14:09):
for the next several years with Brock Purty under a
big contract, I will say that they have a massive, massive,
impactful draft. If you tell me this draft doesn't go well,
I would probably tell you it's the beginning of the
end for Kyle Shanahan because you don't get these opportunities
too often, and once you've got a highly priced quarterback,
you know, the Bills, the Ravens, the Chiefs, like they

(14:31):
never get these opportunities, Like they paid their guys, and
they just kept winning big and they just kept drafting
somewhere between twenty five and thirty two. Now, if you
gave them high picks, I think based on their history,
you'd feel pretty confident they would hit some home runs.
And the forty nine ers for whatever reason, besides when
it's laid in their lap like Nick Bosa, which I'm
sorry you don't get that much credit for when you

(14:52):
draft number two. They once famously had the thirteenth overall
pick when they traded for or they traded to Fororest
Buckner or the Colts. They could have taken Tristan Wurfs,
they traded back a pick, Jason Light took Wharfs, and
they took Javon Kinlaw. That was a disaster. And obviously
the Trey Lance thing derailed first round picks for essentially
three straight years because Trey Lance is an all time bust.

(15:16):
I mean, he's barely a third stringer in the NFL
four years into his career, and he was a third
overall pick, and then it cost him first round picks
the next two years. So massive, massive offseason for the
forty nine ers. And this is why you get paid
the big bucks. You gotta make these picks count. Because
you hit on two out of three of these guys,

(15:36):
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Deebo Samuel, an extra Fred Warner, an extra Trent Williams,
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Speaker 1 (17:36):
Mike McDaniel made some comments yesterday essentially saying that the
fine system that the NFL implements right. You can find
people for all sorts of stuff, wearing the wrong socks
to practice, to showing up late and showing up late
for most of us right on a job, with our

(17:56):
significant others, with our friends. You know, get you a
people rib in you or whatever. But if you have
something really really important to your wife, to your parents,
to a business partner, to your boss, you would never
be late. And I would say most high level people

(18:18):
in serious situations, whether it personal or professional, are on time.
Even people that you would say are consistently late to
most things, when they take something seriously, they will be
on time. And I think if you looked at like
the Chiefs, the Harbob Brothers, I'd say Tomlin. But the

(18:41):
Steelers take so many knuckleheads that has been proven over
the years that they deal with a lot of stuff.
And it's not a reflection of Tomlin. It's more of
a reflection of the guys they draft. But I would
say Sean McVay. I'd say Kyle Shanahan. It's human nature.
Every once in a while, something's going to happen. You
might be late. It's literally happened everybody. Vince Lombardi was

(19:02):
probably late to a meeting once in his life. But
if you tell me that finds aren't working and consistently
we had these issues. Shane Steiken talked about this a
couple weeks ago. That then is a reflection of Mike
McDaniel and Shane Stiken because eventually, if a guy just
shows late over and over, they don't respect you. Because

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any human being I respect personally or professionally, if it
is a serious meeting, I am not showing up five
minutes late. I would say that's one of the, if
not the greatest middle finger of my level of viewing
importance of your time. I don't care. And when you

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get a situation like football that is so strict in
terms of its time requirements. At the beginning of a week,
all these players get a mapped out some minute by minute,
some ten minute by minute, some hour by hour where
you're supposed to be at what time, when and where.

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All these guys know. It's very militaristic that way. And
when I see that Mike McDaniel and Shane Steichen are
having issues like there is no disputing that Mike McDaniel
and Shane Steikeen are smart coaches. They know what they're
doing with a pen and a whiteboard, x's and o's.
They can scheme and draw guys open. But I don't

(20:34):
know if players respect them. I don't see how you
could say players do respect them, because do you think
people would show up over and listen, here's the fine system.
If I make twenty million dollars and let's say the
fines are eight grand or ten grand. Like the end
of the day, it's the money's irrelevant to me. I

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could show up plate all the time, keep finding me.
That's not going to do anything to my bank account.
It's not about the money. It's about the level of
respect and the view that I view what you're saying
as important to help me out. I respect you, period,
point blank, end of story. And I think that would
be pretty concerning. Obviously, the Colts fans that dirty Laundry

(21:17):
is well aired, but to hear Mike McDaniel talk about it,
just being like, yeah, I don't these finds just aren't working.
Like Bro, that's not a system failure, that's a you problem.
And I don't think you fake being a tough guy.
I don't think you fake being someone. I don't want
to let that guy down. I don't want to disappoint

(21:38):
that guy. And listen, I don't care who you are.
Every coach has dealt with problems. Every coach has had
an issue with a player. Hell I saw when I
was with the Eagles. I saw Jashun Jackson get suspended.
He was really mad over his contract and one practice
that kicked a ball during punt over the fence and
got kicked out of practice. Listen the way Deean talks

(22:00):
about Andy and Andy talks about Deshaan Like you can
butt heads with someone, it doesn't mean you still don't
respect them and separate from the business side. Like, Hey,
when you tell me the meeting is gonna be at
eight thirty, or the meeting is gonna be at noon,
or the meeting's gonna be at four in the afternoon,
I'm gonna be there five minutes early. And this isn't
about Tom Coughlin time, Like being early is actually late.

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Just about the level of respect that I would say
most coaches worth their salt get from their players. Can
you imagine people showing up late consistently to Dan Campbell's meetings.
It just would not be tolerated. You would look like
an idiot. So I think the Dolphins have a big,
big problem, and I think it starts with the head coach. Last,

(22:45):
but not least, for those of you that checked out
the TGL the simulated golf with Tiger and Rory is.
I mean, they run it. They didn't actually play, but
I was like, you know what, nothing else going on
on Tuesday night, I'll check it out. My big takeaway is,
obviously the screen is really cool. Anyone who's ever hit

(23:08):
golf balls into a simulator, it's pretty cool because especially
if you have options like hey play pebble Beach, you
play any of course you want. Clearly on this one
they made up courses and it's just cool to watch.
And the ability to like change the green with the
you know, stuff underneath the green on the turf, and

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then putting and chipping the whole thing. I give Tiger
Woods a lot of credit because most businesses in situations
like this it's hard to think outside the box. Most
people are going to be critical, but like you watch
for five minutes, you go, yeah, I kind of get it.
I get why they took a big swing on this.
And then when you also factor in that like this

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can be used for corporations to use, and obviously in
golf they're so directly correlated, like NASCAR with their sponsor,
there's a lot of crossover that way. And my overall
takeaway was, Yeah, the first one was pretty entertaining. Now
I would say I'm on the high end of golf consumers, Like, ultimately,

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I didn't care who won. Ultimately, after like thirty minutes,
I'm like, well, it's just kind of the same thing
over and over. I don't necessarily and I'm not trying
to be a hater, I don't necessarily know it's going
to be sustainable. I haven't seen any of the television
ratings today. I think my main takeaway and anyone watching
it that plays golf would go, I would love to

(24:33):
hit balls there. That's all I kept thinking. I would
love to hit balls there. And clearly the screen, which
most projection screens where people that have like home theaters
or the golf simulator, This screen, for those who didn't see,
is twenty four soot times the size of a standard

(24:54):
projection screen. It is huge, and on TV when they
play a whole, that's the coolest part to me is
when they're hitting either the drives or the fairway shots,
you know, the chipping they actually chip and put on
this green that they can simulate and make, you know,
basically change the elevations and the contour of the green,

(25:18):
which is cool, but they just putting and chipping on
the same thing, just over and over and over. I
don't necessarily know. I would probably bet against it's staying power.
Now Tiger is a big deal and he's playing I
think next Tuesday, or maybe it's next Monday, after the
Monday night football game. I would guess a decent amount
of people just stay on the football game and watch

(25:40):
Tiger hit some balls, but you remove him for the
casual sports fan. I don't know. The one thing I
would say that I think they're onto something the youth
really likes. Anyone with younger children knows that. People it's
very popular to watch others video games, which is something

(26:02):
that didn't exist in my generation. You just played video games. Now.
When I was growing up, we didn't have YouTube or whatever.
But it's obviously very very popular right now. To Twitch
is massive to watch others play video games. And there's
an element of this that I would say parallels that
a little bit with the video element that there's a

(26:24):
it feels a little video gamey, which I think can
be a positive. Now they can still tweak things and
kind of add things. I think there's only so much
you can do, and unless Tiger's playing every single week,
separated from this initial pop it'll be interesting how much

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longevity this thing has, though, Like golf's a niche sport
and to get put on ESPN in a prime time
spot is pretty valuable. And I think a lot of
ram them people that the popularity of just a civilian's
playing golf has really really grown over the last three

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or four years. More people just go to the driving range,
more people play at local muni's than ever before, So
maybe you are more inclined to watch that. It's just
kind of fun. It's light, it's loose, everyone's smiling. Hard
to tell because they're not actually wearing uniforms, they're just
wearing similar colors but with their own sponsors. So we

(27:27):
got some strides to make there. But I would say overall,
there's no disputing that. I would say it was pretty successful.
And I think there are definitely way more cool elements
to this than a bunch of negative stuff surrounding it.
I think, if you're just being realistic, you go, is
this thing going to be around for years? The actual

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building that they built one hundred percent will and that
has I mean they could charge I mean I don't
even know how much an hour for just someone to
hit balls in the middle of the day when the
thing is empty. They could charge a ton to these
sponsors to host events there. So the actual venue has value.
The actual league of all these guys hitting into a screen,

(28:11):
hitting out of actual sand onto a turf green, how
much staying power that has. I think you could flip
a coin if you told me this thing last two years,
believe it. If you told me this thing last five years,
I'd probably be a little I would say it probably
has a little shorter shelf life. Then it's just gonna
be some booming business. Though. I'm rooting for it to succeed,

(28:34):
because the more I would say, hip and younger generation
and just make golf a little more mainstream that you
can get, the better. So props to Tiger and Rory
for taking a big swing here. Okay, it's finally here.

(29:02):
It crossed my mind within the last couple of days
that typically the semi finals would have already been played
and we would be coming down the home stretch of
playing the National Championship on a Monday, which has been
thrown for a loop a little bit because the NFL
has expanded their playoffs and now they have a Monday

(29:25):
night football game on wild Card weekend. So I'm still
trying to get used to the ebb and flow of everything.
But I had to get my guy Jackson on the
horn because as recording this, we're a little over twenty
four hours away from his Notre Dame Irish and I'm
not gonna lie Jackson. I'm tempted to place a very

(29:45):
very large wager on Penn State because I don't understand, obviously,
college is different than the NFL that they can be
very secretive about Abdual Carter's injury and we can just
just as we record this day, he doesn't play, but
Notre Dame's missing a star defensive lineman. And I just

(30:06):
think the quarterback. You know, all these Bowl games, once
you get away from that first round where they play
at home, are in controlled neutral environment. The better passing
quarterback in the better passing explosive attack is at Penn State.
Like you could argue that these teams are the same, Okay,
I'd get the slide into Penn State. I can't. I

(30:27):
don't quite understand how they're favorite. I mean, you feel
that your squad is better than my bald brother James Franklin,
the Penn State Nitney Lions. I do.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I do because I think it's not a lot of
flashy names. Right when you go from Notre Dame's perspective,
all those guys you mentioned in the D line will
probably go third, fourth round, not real flashy linebackers Xavier
Watts and the safeties. The secondary they have I think
is one of the best and most underrated in the country.
But to your point about Abdua Carter, I think it's
a big deal if he doesn't play, because you saw

(31:01):
at some points that Boise State was able to stretch
out in the outside and get some of those first downs,
and I think with Riley Lennon that's what he likes
to do. And I was kind of shocked Riley Leonard
was able to speed past some of those Georgia defenders,
and I feel like Abdul Carter is one of those
guys where I don't know, you think he runs at
four four four five when it comes to the combine,
that he could catch.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Up to Riley.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
So I think it's a big deal. I do think
they match up pretty well. I just the only thing
I worry about Penn State's passing attack is if al
Golden figures out a way and there They've been prone
to be bad against tight ends recently, even with Georgia too.
Outside of some miscommunication, they could have had a touchdown
late in that fourth and two. I do worry about

(31:41):
Tyler Warren. I don't know if he's gonna go Xavier
Watts just straight up one on one and are they
gonna double bracket him because outside of that, they don't
have a whole lot of receivers. So I know Drew
Auer's got a big arm, you know, talented quarterback, could
go number one. But if you can walk down Warren,
excluding that, they you know, get Allen and Singleton involved
in the passing game. Two, I don't know if the
receivers for Penn Steak can hold up against you know,

(32:03):
notre name secondary.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, I think, you know, I probably got a lot
of people listening that definitely that know these rosters well,
but probably a lot that don't. I mean, Abdul Carter
and for those that might have turned in really for
the first time to lock in on Penn State would
have been that game against Boise and he got hurt
really early on though, he did have that one pass
rush where he kind of dropped the hoop. He's I mean,
he's he's Michael Parsons, you know. I mean, that's that

(32:26):
type player, versatility pass rush. But he you've seen him
if you watch him during the season. If he's off
the line of scrimmage and they run like a quick screen,
he can run outside, like laterally down the side. I mean,
he's a freak. And uh, you know, I I think
if this was an NFL game, you know, Al Golden
obviously is a famous name because he's coached at Miami

(32:48):
and Coddle Necky. Is that how you say, the the
offensive NECKI yeah, yeah, I mean he came from Kansas
first year. Yeah, he's He's definitely one of I would
say in college footballracles, one of the star coordinators are
viewed as, you know, just a guy that feels inevitable
to be be a head coach in a Power four program.

(33:08):
I would say in the next obviously not this cycle,
but probably the next cycle, especially if Aler were to return,
which I still think is I was thinking about that today.
I mean, they're probably a win away if he throws
two or three touchdowns and beats Notre Dame. If you
get to the national championship, I think he would solidify
himself as a top ten, top fifteen pick. So it
would just be like, does he want to just play

(33:29):
and hang out in college like Liner again, or does
he want to, you know, take his talents. But the
coordinator matchup of Golden and Kytle Mecky is that's just
that's that's freaking awesome. I mean, if this it'd be
like Flores against Kyle Shanahan, right, or Aaron Glenn against
Kevin o'conne, like it's it's a bright lights college football
name like we've seen forever with the Sabans and the

(33:52):
Kirby's when they take on big time offensive coordinators. Uh.
But I I I'm really really excited to watch that.
I mean, at the end of the day, this is
this isn't an old school. I mean, these these programs well,
I mean, shit, you're so young. But even before my
kind of got into sports in the mid nineties, I
think in like the eighties and the heyday of Lou
Holtz and Joe Paterno, this was one of the biggest

(34:15):
rivalries in college sports any you know, basketball or football.
But I think this is on the short list of
like you know, Florida State, Miami and their heydays playing
each other. Now they were conference foes, but I would
say Penn State and Notre Dame I think as a
pretty you know for older people, kind of had like

(34:36):
an NFL game feel in the in the eighties with
with lou and Paterno and just the I mean the
countless NFL players on both teams. I mean, these were
two of the powerhouse programs, you know, way back in
the day that they were really kind of like an
Alabama or Georgia as as football was really taken off
in like the seventies and eighties, just naturally becoming, you know,

(34:58):
the equal of of baseball and now what it's become.
You know, it became a little tougher for them, but
it's cool to see this. I mean there's a big
time Bright Lights brand matchup. I mean, all four of
these teams, it's they would have been if you picked
eight teams that you would want in the final, four

(35:18):
of these would have been. I mean, Ohio State Notre
Dame would have been top two or three picks, but
I think Penn State wouldn't have been far behind. Texas
who would have been a top five pick as well.
What do you think changed for you about your perspective
on Penn State. Was it that game after Ohio State
when they lost it the Oregon Big Ten Championship, Like
what kind of change your perspective? Because you've been on

(35:39):
saying that this Penn State team could win it all
for about a month now, and they progressively look good
and people go out there and say, oh, they've only
played SMU, they played Boise State, but they've looked, you know,
like like a national championship type of team. I guess
this is their biggest you know stage, since they their
best team they've played. But what's changed your perspective from
I guess the beginning of the season now about Penn State. Well,

(36:01):
I think one thing I've learned working in football and
then doing this and seeing it from a little bit
like a more of like a twenty thousand foot view,
is you cannot win big in the pros or you know,
and I would say this is basically pro's light in
the final four. Now, the college football player, if you
don't have a top end defense. So you look at

(36:22):
all four of these teams, they all got NFL guys
all over on defense, no different than the NFL. The
Chiefs have been winning Super Bowls defense, the Ravens, Conference
championship defense, the forty nine ers over the years, the
Rams like, you gotta have a good defense. Then it's like, okay,
we all got sweet defenses. Well who's your quarterback? And
I think you usually just leaned to the team with
the better quarterback. And I think Drew Aller watching that

(36:43):
USC game, I actually didn't watch it live, so I
had to go back and watch the highlights of kind
of that historic comeback, right. I mean that was honestly
a loss for Lincoln Riley that derailed their season. And
you watched in these highlights, you know, Warren had I
think his final numbers were like seventeen of two hundred.
It was crazy. It was like one of the lines

(37:03):
of the year. But Aler made some plays in that
game that were like, man, this was really really impressive.
And then I think that the conference championship game against
Oregon and they you know, they took some early shots
and they were down, but he he made some big
time plays in that game, and I just went, I
just like this quarterback. They have good running backs so

(37:25):
does Notre Dame. So I would say those two cancel
it out assuming Love again, like an Abdual Carter. We
good on that knee injury. That's a little concerning, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Is a little concerning. That was one of my other
questions I had for you too, was who was at
a bigger disadvantage Notre Dame without Jeremiah Love or you know,
Penn State with that Abdua Carter because Jeremiah Love, although
they've got Jenerium Price, he's kind of that downhill running back.
He's not that explosive guy like Jeremiah Love. Jeremiah Love
is kind of that one of a kind type of
running back. And same with Abduall Carter, like you can

(37:54):
replace him with somebody, but he's not going to show
you that same production as two of those guys. Jay
Love's concerning too because it's not his same ankle. It's
a knee. So now it's like, oh great, now we're
gonna do with the knee and an ankle on the
same leg.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
See. So that's I would say, both teams very dependent
on those two guys, but the defense can still function
without car. It's not as dominant, but they still have
a ton of other NFL guys. Your guys offense is
pretty predicated on handing that guy the ball. I mean,
his his play against Indiana kind of you know, open
the floodgates, and I mean it's got to be the

(38:29):
longest play so far from scrimmage in these playoffs. Well
was it? It was technically ninety eight yards, but he
got the handoff like three year three yards four? Yeah, yeah,
he was in Indiana's defense. Is not their problem like
that they were good on defense. Turns out their quarterback,
do you see, played the whole season like an a
c L injury? Pretty crazy, but uh so I would say,

(38:51):
obviously enormous, somewhat cancel each other out. But given that
how important he is to your offense and how running
the ball is such a big deal, uh, it'd be
pretty concerning, like losing him assuming, like I you tell me,
they're both that. I believe you. That's a hard part
about college with these injuries. You never they could both
easily play and look okay, and they could both just

(39:12):
be like pregame warm ups and then not able to
go or do one of those what was the Tennessee's
running backs? You know, he like kind of started then
he didn't play. It's just very it's very secretive. So
I I just lean like the quarterback passing the ball, right,
if they both come out Drew Aller's first round pick

(39:32):
and your guy just is not and there's nothing wrong.
I mean, he's still might go third, fourth round. Is
like some project, you know, compete to be a backup.
But that's that's a pretty big difference. If one guy's
slinging the ball like Riley Leonards is not like you
guys win a lot of games with him throwing like
Jimmy g Lines right, like eighty yards, one hundred and
ten yards and Penn State like when they're looking good.

(39:54):
I mean they're guys slinging at it a little bit.
And I mean you could argue the best player on
their team, not Duel. Carter is the tight end, and
he has gone to a different level as they've gotten
out of the cold and into these controlled environments, and
that's what this is gonna be. So listen, it's just
it's a fantastic I mean, James Franklin's a polarizing guy,

(40:15):
but there's no disputing he's an elite recruiter and he
was pre nil, post nil. He's great at it and
I would say motivated like and one thing I respect
about him is teams have underachieved, but no one's ever
called his teams like soft. They just have it like
one big games, but everyone goes got Penn State's a
very physical team and he's an offensive guy, right, former
quarterback makes sense. Notre Dame, your guy is a former

(40:38):
linebacker that they're really tough and physical, so I think
they actually, these teams are very, very similar. It's why
I would probably take the underdog. Whoever you know was
a one or two point underdog. But I just I've
liked Penn State and I'm just gonna I'm gonna keep
rolling in it this game. Whoever wins this game would be
playing with a lot of house money. I mean, if

(41:00):
I would have told Notre Dame fans or Penn State fans,
even if you end up losing by twenty de olhow
State that you were in the National Championship game and
any won three playoff games. I mean, you talk about
it successful. What an incredible year for those two.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Guys, right, That's what's so cool about the twelve team playoff.
I mean Penn State. There was some stat that they
would make eight or nine out of the last ten
or twelve playoffs if it were to be a twelve
team playoff. And then for Notre Dame, you lose to
NIU most years ninety nine point nine percent of the
years you're not making the four team playoff. But does
in this game to you seem like it's gonna be
like that Georgia game where both teams just could try

(41:35):
to control the line of scrimmage, battle the trenches and
it's only a matter of team or I guess which
team either you know, botches a punt, blocks a punt, yeah,
throws interception, fumbles or something like that. It just feels
like it's gonna be the same thing like we saw
against Georgia. And that's one thing I do give Notre
Dame a lot of credit is they have capitalized all
season on turnovers, and you know, Drew Aller at some

(41:56):
times is prone to throw an interception or two or
maybe even fumble like we saw against Boise State. That's
one thing I kind of lean towards Notre Dame. But again,
Ryley Leonard's been shown that he could do the exact same.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I'll never forget it would have been like twenty twelve.
It was the SEC championship game, and it was when
Aaron Murray was the quarterback of Georgia playing like this
was the start of like peak Saban dynasty. And I
remember like every single snap on both sides of the ball,
guys were just getting crushed and it was like it
felt like every player on defense for both teams were
an NFL team. I think this game is gonna be

(42:31):
an absolute war zone. And it's also like whoever comes out,
you just pray to God you don't lose a couple bodies,
because I think from the jump this is gonna be
this is gonna be the one of the hardest hitting
games of the year. And you know Georgia and Notre
Dame was like that, right, and this is even gonna

(42:51):
be amped up because what's on the line. And listen,
like if James Franklin, your guy would get more credit,
right because both of them don't get that much credit
for beating Indiana or SMU or Boise. But the Georgia
win is an incredible victory, right, you beat Georgia even
if this is not his greatest team, Like that was

(43:13):
a big time victory. So if he goes back to
back Georgia and Penn State like that's that'd be pretty sweet.
And for James, I mean, this would I don't know,
the biggest win of his career. And I think the
players all know this. What's on the line that the
program's history. I'd be stunned if these two coaches didn't

(43:33):
kind of tap into some of those eighties highlights like
Jerome Bettis and you know, some of the dudes from
Penn State back in the day. I think this thing
is I'm more fired up for this game than the
other game.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, because this one could go back and forth, whereas
the other one, more people are leading towards Ohio State.
I was gonna ask you this before we, you know,
head to Ohio State Texas. James Franklin Marcus Freeman had
a joint press conference this morning while we're recording this
on Wednesday, and James Franklin said it straight up in
front of Marcus Freeman that Notre Dame should join a conference.
What's your take on that right now in a new

(44:07):
landscape of college football, because I know you and Colin
talked about how Notre Dame's got a big advantage moving forward,
you know with the NIL the academic side of things,
Marcus Freeman's a great recruiter. On top of that, from
Notre Dame side, it's like, you know, we got our
own TV network. We don't really have to join a conference.
They beat Georgia, they move on to the SEMIS. Usually
that fourteen million dollars when you advance gets kind of

(44:28):
distributed to a whole conference, where Notre Dame got all
fourteen million dollars, which is pretty sweet. So I don't
know if that goes straight to the NIL fund or what.
But what do you make of like Notre Dame if
they should join a conference or not? Do you think
they'll be forced to eventually?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I think it's easy for James Franklin to say, but
I saw that same graphic. It's like the SEC twenty
eight million dollars. Well that's all the teams, and then
it was like Notre Dame fourteen million dollars. And if
they were to win this game, I don't know what
the next number is, but it's higher. They keep twenty, yeah,
thirteen or twenty total, right, and they get an extra
six million dollars, so they keep all the money for themselves,

(45:04):
Like they're not in some partnership with twelve fourteen, eighteen
other partners. They have a one sided television deal that
is financially incredible. It works right, they rate. So it's like,
my only issue with them is they did that like
alliance or deal with the ACC a couple of years ago,

(45:27):
right where they for a couple of year stretch they
were playing a bunch of those teams and it felt
like they were like pseudo in the AC, like they
were kind of wetting their beak. They've always felt more
like a Big ten team. But listen, if I was
their ad their chancellor, or anyone involved in their financials,
Like why would we join a conference we don't need
to and we already have automatic games against some good

(45:48):
teams now, like is it worth it for them? Because
people like, why don't you play Penn State Michigan? You
already play USC you know, do rotations with like Florida State, Miami,
Ohio State. While it's like then we'll miss the playoffs.
Why would we even do that? Why don't we just
keep playing a couple of tough teams and then a
bunch of randos and go ten and two, eleven and one.

(46:09):
One thing I think this year is gonna buy them
that even next year. I haven't looked at their schedule,
but if they have schedules that parallel this year they
aren't like, I mean, not great. I think they'll get
the benefit of the doubt. And you know this year
is like they had to be eleven and one. Well
part of that is they lost to a NIU. I
think they have upcoming seasons where they could go ten

(46:30):
and two, and I think they would have no problem
giving them somewhere ten to twelve, you know, ten eleven
or twelve that seeding. So I actually think Notre Dames
helped themselves out a lot in getting the benefit of
the doubt moving forward with the coach, because you'd be like, oh,
Marcus Freeman's recruiting a bunch of NFL guys. Their team's good,
they can beat anybody, especially when this game's close. Even
if they lose. I think I wouldn't join a conference,

(46:53):
and I think James Franklin probably wants them to join THEIRS.
It just helps the Big ten's prand right, it's easier
to recruit. They're Notre Dame in Penn State, are probably
recruiting a lot of the same players, right.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, a lot of Midwest guys. Maybe in the South,
but but not really. They're mostly Midwest. I'm looking at
their schedule right now. In twenty twenty five, they've got
A and M on their schedule. They got at Arkansas
Poise State, which is kind of a fun matchup USC.
But yeah, other than that, you've got some basic Syracuse,
NC State, Boston College, Pitt, and Navy. So it's not the.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Greatest schedule, but that's a that's a real schedule. I mean,
you say Boston College, Pitt, Navy, like those are legitimate teams,
Like that is I give them credit for not just
having NonStop mac teams and not that they don't play
a MAC team here and there, but like playing Boise,
even if it's in Notre Dame, Like, that's a real game,
right playing Uh, I guess they get A and M.

(47:45):
That was a home and home. They get them at
Notre Dame. Yeah, that'll be a big game. Like, that's
a that's a real game. Playing USC every year is
no joke, right, I Mean, that's that's a real rivalry.
They've just happened to suck lately. But I mean, you
guys even this year like they were shitty, but it
was still a tough game. Took two pick sixes, right.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah, that was that. That was a barn burner for sure.
That USC game would.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Have lost that game. They wouldn't have got in the
play they would have been out.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, they would especially USC finishing up six four, six
and five. Transitioning to this next game, five Texas eight
Ohio State. Before we get to Ohio State, because everybody

(48:33):
and their mother is going for Ohio State and deservedly so,
the hottest team in the country. How can Texas win
this game? Is there any shot? How in your mind
do you see Texas pulling this one out?

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I mean, you got I don't see. It's just a
bad matchup because the thing their deficiency has been coverage,
and that's how, you know, kind of once Scataboo hit,
you get them on one on one coverage. K club
Nick was hitting guys down the sideline. Well, what's Ohio
State's best advantage is throwing the ball outside the hash

(49:06):
or outside the numbers. So I just I don't know.
You just have to ugly the game and you just
got to hope that Ohio State wants to run the
ball like Michigan, but I think that they kind of
learn from that game and they have not looked to
run the ball these last couple of games. So, especially
in a controlled environment, why wouldn't you throw it to
Jeremiah Smith like once every three plays? You know, I

(49:30):
just I think you just feed that guy to me.
The only way you win is like a low scoring,
ugly game. You just like that game that just happened
to Texas where they kind of got discombobulated that they
would lose that game by twenty five points against Ohio
State if they get off kilter. Now, the crazy part
is Texas came out that game against ASU and you're like,

(49:53):
are they gonna win this game? Fifty to nothing? Two
plays touchdown and then that punt return where they speed
like they have dudes. So it's like, can their offense?
I guess you'd also have to say, could is Ohio
State's offense just gonna do this for four straight games?
Just basically feel like they're gonna score in every drive
or they just gonna have a weird half because they

(50:13):
used to have those in the regular season. You'd watch
them against Nebraska, like what is going on, but they
have not looked like the Michigan same thing, but they've
been like a they've been like the Kansee Chiefs, like
the Tyreek Hill version the last couple of games. So
I think you gotta hope they're a little off. Texas
defense is good, but man, that secondary and specifically the corners, well,

(50:35):
it's like they got a guy that everyone's saying that's
nineteen years old. It would be the number one pick
in the draft who looks like he weighs like two
hundred and fifty pounds and runs a four to four,
and their quarterbacks playing a lot of confidence. It does
feel like the Raven Steeler games, like how could anyone
pick the Steelers? Now Texas, if you're using that example,
is better than the Steelers, but it does feel a

(50:58):
little bit like.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Ohio States, Like I.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Wouldn't bet that game just because it almost feels like
too easy, but I'd be hard pressed, like I think
it would be. No coach has more of the four
has more pressure than Ryan because everyone thinks he should win.
I mean, they're the heavy betting favorite on draftkingsone basically
one to one. And you know, for example, Penn State's
like six to one. Notre Dame's like almost five to one.

(51:27):
It would be this would almost I don't want to
say diminished the last two weeks. But Ryan days Now
put himself in this situation a lot. I go in
into the Michigan game. Nobody thought he was gonna lose.
Sometimes when you lose that game, it's almost worse because like, oh,
they're so good, it's not even fair, that's what everyone thinks.

(51:47):
How could you not when you're watching them. I don't
know what I mean, what do you think. I just
think that I think you'd have to win the game
like nineteen to fifteen. It'd have to I can't see
Texas winning like thirty five to thirty two.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
No, and they would have to hold Ohio State to
a slow start in the first quarter both of their
games in the playoff. Two hundred and five passing yards
against Tennessee, two hundred and twelve passing yards, two hundred
and thirty three yards against Oregon. So that to your
point about Will Howard, you get him going early, his
confidence only spikes. You get a mecha Buca and while
there's just too many weapons, and you flip the side

(52:21):
with Texas and heading into the season, it was all
this Texas offense got so many weapons. Now you kind
of look at them, it's like, we got two backup
running backs that are inconsistent. The offensive line struggled against
Georgia twice, who's a really good front seven, And oh yeah,
Ohio State's front seven is getting better. And finally something
that we've been wanting to see the entire season with
JT and Jack Sawyer. Okay, okay, what kind of weapons

(52:43):
do we have on the outside of that Isaiah Bond,
the receiver you got from Bama has been non existent,
and Golden's been great, But how can you compete against
Ohio State with that e leade of a defense with
one wide receiver and a tight I just I think
you're right. I think it's a bad matchup for Texas.
And it's one of those whole things that they've been
having during the season where they either come off to
a hot start in that second third quarter, it's like

(53:05):
they can't run the ball, they can't do anything offensively,
and then they get it into gear towards the end.
I feel like, Ohio State, you can't even do that.
You got to compete drive for drive against them. Order
to have a shot.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, I think you know the game I was at
and watching Texas live. They now granted it was Quinn,
you were's first game back from injury. It was like
a tight seven to three game with like almost two
minutes left in the first half, and then Oklahoma fumble
a little bit. But you're watching Texas, You're going, how
do they have all this talent? They can't move the ball?

(53:37):
And Texas gets in these ruts where the one thing
that camp be tonight is when Ohio State just gets
it to their guys and just throws it a lot.
It works. Texas tries that and sometimes it does not
work right. And obviously Jeremiah Smith is better than anyone
in Texas has, But yeah, I think running the ball

(53:57):
one thing. Chip just you know, when Chip really hit
the scene at Oregon, he was a running a run
play calling offensive coordinator like he called Now they just
hit like fifty sixty eighty yr runs all the time
at Oregon, So it felt like they were When you
say a really explosive offense, you think like Randy Moss,

(54:18):
Tyreek Hill justin you think wide receivers, but his offense
is historically like what he wants to do. Shady McCoy
had a great year for him, Like he wants to
run his big signing when Philly when he traded Shady
was to signed what's his name, the cowboy running back?
Uh Demarca Uh, what the fuck is his name? Oh,
DeMarco Murray. Yeah, Like he loves running backs. And that's

(54:41):
the thing about Michigan. I think he like, I want
to run the ball down your throat. And it just
was an all time backfire and I just think that
they've they've just embraced we can't even fake it and
there's no reason to well, I think if you're Sark,
one thing that you you know, Kyle Shanahan has done
this one year where they had to go on the
road with Jimmy Garoppolo is like you got us when

(55:04):
your offense isn't as good as the offensive teams, you're
playing slow and ugly the game up, so Texas can't
run the ball, Like that's the only way you can win.
Run the ball, slow the game down, run the ball,
and it's I think it's hard for Sark because he
likes to pass the ball, you know, and it's and
it doesn't and it might not work, and I think sometimes,

(55:24):
you know, the great NFL coaches will stick with the
run because eventually I'll get a couple first downs even
if I got a pun a couple of times. If
we can just play a little defense early on, We're
most coaches that are inclined to pass it more than
run it, we'll just say screw it. This isn't working.
It's you know, it's been a Kyle Shanahan subtract this year.

(55:46):
But like why he's had so much success in the
playoffs is like he's very stubborn in a good way
and he can slow the game down because you know,
you're not Some teams are built for shootouts in Texas
against this, I mean, it feels like one of the
best in Ohio state has been built like this. Right. Offensively,
they have been really really good under Ryan Day passing

(56:07):
the ball, and they got the best wide receiver they've had,
and they've had great wide receivers. It's crazy. I mean,
they had Marvin Harrison who was the fourth pick in
the draft, and this guy is way better, way better.
And Marvin Harrison was like a no doubt about it,
excellent All American player, and this guy's way better and
he's nineteen.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Now you know why Ryan Day was smiling ear to
ear in a press conference. They when they told him,
they said, he got Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, he signed to
Ohio State, and he's just like, thank God. But to
your point earlier about Jim Kelly, it is interesting how
before the season we talked or everyone was thinking about
Ohio State's offense was gonna be so predicated on the run.
Now part of that too, the offensive line had some injuries,

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and now they've kind of flipped in the playoff, them
changing their identity and say, hey, we're gonna we're gonna
pass to open the run. We're gonna give it out
to Jeremiah Smith, give it out to our weapons. It
seems like that's what they've been preaching or people have
been preaching them to do all season. Penn State, well,
we're going to lean more on the running game and
then play action with Drew Aller and Tyler Warren, notre Dame.
We're not gonna throw it as much. Den Brock earlier

(57:06):
in the season kind of wanted to get Riley Leonard
to be a passer, and then then he said, you
know what, We're gonna run it with him. We're gonna
run it with our two running backs, and that's how
we're gonna win games. It seems like Texas's offense, to
your point about Stark wanting to throw the ball more,
it seems like we're here in the playoff and you
still don't know what their identity is. I'm trying to
think look back on the season when Texas's offense was

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the best Michigan Week two. I can't think of a
game where there's been like a dominant against against a
good opponent that Texas's offense has found an identity and
they've looked the part of their talent that they have
on the field.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
They were better last year, right, I mean they felt
much now great against Washington. You're right, yeah, I mean
Xavier Worth. They had Xavier Worthy. It was a first
round pick by the Chiefs and Mitchell who went in
the second round. But I mean a lot of people
thought he was a top fifteen to twenty talent. You
know that I think or some question marks off the field,
But I will say this, and I have been critical

(58:06):
of Sark over the years, but and Colin asked me that,
like who had the you know, do Sark have a
lot of pressure. I think if on the pie chart
of pressure, it's all on Ryan Day back to back
years in the semi finals. This was a team like
starting in two thousand and fourteen, so like a decade ago,
six and seven, five and seven, five and seven, seven

(58:26):
and six. They had one good year under Herman ten wins,
but then eight wins, seven wins, five wins, and then
Sark got there. In the last couple of years twelve
and thirteen, he's in the semi finals, and he was
favored last year against Washington. I thought that line was off.
I mean, it turns out Washington, right, they had the
better quarterback, they had, I mean, an absolutely loaded offense

(58:49):
and a coach that was literally going to Alabama. So
now granted you could argue Sark declined Alabama, but it's like,
at worst they're equals. Right. The coach, like Dubor, was
a star as well, so it's not like he was
this like little engine that no one had heard about.
I think Sark's done a masterful job, and he's got
resources like ohouse, Like he's got a big budget, which
helps in the Niler. But he could lose this game

(59:12):
by fifteen twenty points, and it's like what he has
done to the program to be in the SEC Championship
year one, to be in the semi finals. Now that
that ASU game he had to win, that that would
have been bad. So that would have been bad. But
he hey, listen, he did you see you know. Kenny

(59:35):
Dillingham after the game talked about the defensive coverage and
people thought he was taking a shot at the dB
and he basically said that we teach him on that
outbreaking route, which is fourth and thirteen. You're gonna break
like they're gonna run the out route at the sticks
to try to get the first down. Pretty ballsy play
call to essentially run a double move because if you
don't get protection and they were bringing the house, that

(59:58):
play does not work. I got three step get rid
of the ball. So if one of your offensive linemen,
even if he trips or something or someone screws up,
that is a disaster of viewers doesn't So it's I
give start credit. That was a ballsy call in that
moment because if something goes wrong, he gets sacked or
he scrambles and has to just throw it up. It

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looked easy, but it was not like, I give start
credit for that play call.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Did your perspective change a little bit on that with Youers?
I know, obviously it's one throw, but a fourth and thirteen.
I almost texted you. I was like, there's no way
Ers has the capability of doing that. Does any of
that carry over to this game? Do you think there's
any pressure? I guess more pressure on Youers versus sark
alone where Viewers doesn't win this game, he plays flat,

(01:00:47):
like does he consider the transfer portal? Does he go
to the NFL draft or does that kind of not
even matter in this game?

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
You know, it's weird. When you looked at his numbers
after the ASU game, they were really good. He was
like twenty to thirty three, a bunch of touchdowns and
on individual play like that first touchdown throw, like a
minute into the game, You're like, damn that passed to Essentially,
I guess was that the game that was a game
tying touchdown? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
The fourth and thirteen and then the second OT one,
the one he had a helm was pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
He made some great individual throws, but I still feel like,
do I trust this guy against again? He was against
Arizona State, where besides skataboo. How many guys on that
team start for Texas less than two or three? Right, Yeah,
Dilli Ham would take most of their players immediately and
start them on their team, and they were going totally.
So it's just the talent discrepancy there is is pretty wide.

(01:01:39):
I give you credit when you don't mentally crack, and
there are points in time in that game where he
could have just flattened And you're right, I mean the
fourth and thirteen. There's no disputing like his arm talent. No,
no one acts like he's like got some crappy arm,
like a little peace shooter like he can if you
get some time, he can sling it. It's just he
also does some things, you know, just throwing the ball

(01:02:01):
up to that guy that was double covered. That was
a pick that I would say was a huge moment
in that game that helped get ASU back some momentum
and not the end of the world. It's not like
a terrible decision, but you just he just makes plays
like that, which I don't think he can afford to
make if they, you know, to Beatlehouse State or even

(01:02:21):
if they get to the National Championships against one of
these other like he'd have to be much more in
control of where his ball's going. But he makes explosive plays,
right if he has some time on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
The defensive side of things. For Ohio State, a guy
that you know, they always mentioned Jeremiah Smith would be
number one in this year's draft, Caleb Downs would be
up there for number two. I feel like a lot
of people and part of that has to do with
the TV version. You don't really get to see a
lot of Caleb Downs unless it's the skycam and you know,
harber Street and foal Our go back and you see
Caleb Downs like in the middle of the field. But

(01:02:53):
from your perspective being around the NFL in college, what
sticks out to you about Caleb Downs, especially in this defense,
because it seems like he's one of those guys where
all right, Caleb, we'll put you in the middle of
the field since whatever you want to sense and his
instincts and has changed the direction, it's just something special
and he's he's definitely been. You want to talk about
Jeremiah Smith coming from the recruiting as a freshman and

(01:03:14):
then him to be able to transfer from Alabama and
Ohio State, those two alone, if you would have gotten
if Ostin would have gotten those two. And Judkins is okay,
like they got him in the nil money and he's
a good number two. But it's like those two players alone,
you don't even have to get any other transfers. They'd
still be in the situation they're at right now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah. I just think certain defensive backs pop immediately, and
Derwin James was one of those guys. Mika Fitzpatrick was
one of those guys. I would imagine if you go
way back in the day, you know the ed Reeds,
even farther back, like the Rod Woodson's, if you just
watch college football, you're like, this guy the best player
in the field, and you know his versatility. I mean,

(01:03:54):
to come into Alabama and I know it's it's probably
a little bit easier with the transfer portor the competition
might not be as crazy as it would have been
ten years ago. But to just immediately start and for
Saban to just talk about this guy like he's a
genius and I didn't know that much about him, just
because I mean, Bama makes a living off getting like
number one five star players, right. Did I remember when

(01:04:17):
when Saban left and it was like Caleb Downs in
the transfer portal. I remember being a really big deal
in college football, and I was like, maybe I under like,
maybe I need to pay a little more attention to
this guy. It's like we cannot afford to lose him,
kind of like and it shows you the power of quarterbacks.
Remember when Lincoln left the USC, Oklahoma freaked out about

(01:04:37):
Caleb and like their ad put out a statement like
We'll do everything we can to keep Caleb. That's how
I felt like Alabama was treating Caleb downs and it
turned out like he was. He was probably as good
as gone, but like he was probably only he would
have left Alabama for like two spots, probably like Georgia,
Ohio State. It's not like he had a long list.
Maybe Texas. I mean it's or stay at Alabama. But yeah,

(01:04:59):
I mean he's he feels like a transcendent talent and
we get you know, you watch Charger game, you watch
Jrwyn James. When you get a versatile player at that position,
because they cover, you know, whether it's the slock guy
tight ends, they can play the run. You know, Caleb
can return. He's just yeah, they just they just change

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your defense.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
It's gonna it's gonna be a it's gonna be a
fun matchup. All four of these teams blue bloods. I
guess Texas has kind of the home field advantage here
being in the Cotton Bowl at AT and C Stadium.
Thank god it's in a dome. Ohio State travels ball anyways.
I always love the oh is this gonna be a
factor in this game? Where the noise or whatever? With
Ohio State. It's like, guys, Ohio State's played fifteen games,

(01:05:45):
sixteen games this season, coming off the Rose Bowl, It's like,
give you a break or I love I was gonna
ask you this too. I see all the time on
sports TV, Well, are these the best four teams in
the College football Playoff? Are these the best four teams
we could have? It's like, yes, yes, these are the
four teams. I know it's not Oregon that we expected
or Georgia that we expected, but I do wouldgit, I would.

(01:06:07):
You're your thoughts on those four teams. I think they're
the best four teams. I don't know what else you
could put in there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Yeah, I mean what asu That game was awesome, But
I think when you look at it, there were six
teams that were clearly head and shoulders above everyone else.
And it turns out Oregon, I mean, just had a
bad day, perfect storm Ohio State, who's the favorite to
win it all? Like I think if they played ten times,
Oregon looks like that once or twice. I mean, that
was somewhat of an outlier performance, snowballed on them and

(01:06:36):
it just got away from them quick. But and Georgia,
I mean, I think those six teams were we could
have just had a sixteen playoff this year. Now I'm
glad Arizona State, Like that was a really cool moment
for college football. But I wouldn't put them, you know,
over the course of a season in that group. And
then you just we saw a couple of matchups and
Ohio State killed Oregon and Georgia lost farrin Square. So yeah,

(01:06:59):
I got these are clearly these were a lot of
people picked. I would say most people picked Ohio State
right to win the national championship. At the beginning of
the year, I would say most people had Texas circled
as a final four team, and I would say Penn
State Notre Dame at minimum were picked to be like
top eight teams. Right, get the final four, you have to.
You know, you never know who your matchup's gonna be.

(01:07:21):
But yeah, I think preseason we all acknowledged the rosters
the talent. That's the thing in college football more than
the NFL. Like your roster and your talent of future
NFL guys and draftable players really matters. That's what was
so incredible Thatt Asu being able to come back against Texas.
You're like, how do they do it? Obviously scataboo, but
it's like, how are they pulling this off?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
It's pretty incredible to see his draft stock rise. I
saw another ranking the other day, which the rankings doesn't
mean a whole lot, but him being a top five
running back at the beginning of the season, I think
he was like bottom twenty. It's pretty remarkable his thing.
But I was gonna wrap up with two more questions
for you having a down year? Is that just because
the landscape of college football and it's just year to

(01:08:04):
year where you know they kind of got left out
with Ole Miss, South Carolina, Alabama losing three games, the
Big Ten, the top three teams we knew were gonna
make their way in. Not really a big deal, right,
It's just a one year thing. We all know the
SEC depth wise is the best conference.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I think there's two separate conversations on a weekly
basis just playing teams with a bunch of NFL players.
Over the last ten twenty years, it's not debatable. One
thing Colin got me thinking about that the top of
the Big Ten and the top of the SEC has
been relatively similar. Right, Hardball had a powerhouse these last

(01:08:41):
three or four years. Beat Saban last year. Ohio State
has been basically an SEC team since Urban Meyer got
there through Ryan Day. They went to Totoe with one
of those great Georgia teams a couple of years ago.
Remember on was it New Year's Night. But the Big
Ten programs have more money, and I include Notre Dame
in that as well. So you got these Michigan, Well,

(01:09:05):
Bryce Underwood was supposed to go to LSU. Well why
to go to Michigan? They got more cash. Ohio State
has unlimited money. Notre Dame has just I mean every
bit of Ohio State Oregon type money. Oregon is now
in the Big Ten. So when you look at the
financial backing of the elite programs in the Big Ten,

(01:09:25):
and we haven't even mentioned as USC who just can't
figure you know, how to chew gum and walk straight
at the same time right now. But they definitely have
financial backing. If things started, if they were winning like
Oregon Ohio State can the money there would be would
be every bit the equal of like they'd be signing
Bryce Underwood's to twelve fifteen million dollars. So you look

(01:09:46):
at Alabama, They're eighty put out a statement begging for money.
LSU just i'd mean loses out a guy to Michigan
and even Brian Kelly said like, yeah, it's just tough
Georgia last year, and I don't blame them, but they're like, yeah,
we're just not going to pay a recruit four million
dollars and he ends up going to Nebraska Big Ten.
So the Big ten schools like this is all about

(01:10:07):
money now, Like Mario Christavaul is not a very good
coach I think relative to like how much recruiting and
talent and he can dominate that element of it, but
he does have financial backing. That's a huge huge player
in moving forward. Now maybe that changes with like revenue
sharing and everyone's under the same salary cap. If I'm

(01:10:28):
the SEC, I want that to come right. So it's like, hey, quarterbacks,
make this starting, you know, and it becomes a little
more equal playing field, but right now it's not. And
I saw I don't know if you saw the story,
but Dirk Cutter retired the Boise OC and he said
he must have done a local interview, and he said

(01:10:51):
that one of their top guys on defense got a
DM within twenty four hours of them losing the game
from Oregon that offered him seven hundred or seven hundred
fifty thousand dollars. Wow. And he said, our total budget
at Boise is two million dollars and that's up four
hundred thousand dollars from the previous year. So it's like,
how can we compete now? As of right now, that

(01:11:13):
guy has not left Boise for Oregon. But I think
Cutter was just trying to say, like how shady this
whole thing is and how unfair it is to put
these kids in these situations, Like this guy doesn't want
to leave his teammates. He loves playing at Boise, but
it's the wild wild West. But that's the thing with Oregon,
like they can just they can offer people like seven

(01:11:35):
hundred thousand dollars and He's just like a corner or
a linebacker. This is not you know, Caleb or Caleb
Downs or Caleb Williams or it's not like some lock
top ten pick or Micah Parsons or whoever. This is
just like a guy that will start first. We'll give
you seven hundred dollars. You know why because there are
budgets like twenty twenty five million dollars. That's a huge

(01:11:56):
advantage for the Big ten. It is the money in
the breaking to boost your money like that. I mean
the now, how long can this sustain? I don't know
because if I, if I wasn't, if I was a
rich guy and I was cutting these checks, might he
better be like in the playoffs every year? Because if
we ever have like an eight win season, all miss
a good example of that. They spend a lot of
money last offseason they didn't make the playoffs. Well, it's

(01:12:20):
like all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, I gave
you a million dollars last year. I'll give you one
hundred thousand dollars this year. Make my money go a
little farther.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
That's what's so crazy about the whole tampering aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
I don't mind it. I'm not heartburn over it. But
it's crazy how it's just legal Where Oregon can just
DM a defensive line from boiss technically isn't right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
It's just not being enforced. I don't think it's legal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
No, I don't think it is. I mean, if I
was Boise State, why would you not. I guess report
Oregon or report whoever that they were dming them. But
I don't know what the whole rules, with the whole window.
But he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
They don't want to. They don't they don't want to
get sued. So it's like, you know, Hardball gets in
trouble for giving the guy a cheeseburger in two thousand.
It's like, well, harboss, these are just NCUBA rules, very
black and white. If if I if I'm the nc
DOUBLEA and I hammer Oregon, let's say I'm just making
up a infraction like I deduct ten scholarships for twenty

(01:13:15):
twenty five. Well, the laborer and the you know, the
play all these lawsuits have been all leaning toward the players,
like that would be like anti competitive, and that's where
they just I think they were just terrified. They don't
want to get too. They don't want to lose any money,
so they just let it go. And that's where I
think these coaches. None of these coaches have a hard
have a like are against anyone getting paid. They just think, like,

(01:13:40):
this is not really how it works. Now. You could
also push back, like if Dirt Cutter wasn't sixty five
and he was forty five and Texas or some Ohio
state wanted him to be the offensive coordinator, wouldn't it
operate the same thing? Like when your season ended, I
would hit you up like, hey, you're making five hundred grand,
We'll offer you one point five million dollars to be

(01:14:01):
our offensive coordinator. So you could argue it's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yeah, I saw Washington State lost thirty six players to
the transfer portal. And it's funny too. The FCS Championship
was on Monday, and they showed before how Chris climb And,
who was the former NDSU coach there forever and won
a bunch of national championships with them. He was repping
Kansas State and he was at midfield, and I kind
of made jokes with my buddy. I was like, yeah,
Chris clemb is there supporting NDSU, But he's low key

(01:14:25):
recruiting too. He's low key recruiting some guys at the
FCS level.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
He was at that game on Monday night.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Yeah, he was at that game. He was talking to
the head coach at NDSU. I don't know his name,
but it seems like they have a new head coach
every year. Won a national championship, then go on to
USC or go on to wherever. But I just thought
it was kind of funny how Climb's there repping Kansas
State where it's like, yeah, he's there repping, you know,
watching North Kota State, seving that he's built. But it's like,
at the same time, how can you not look over
at ndsqu's wide receiver number five, who's Trait Lance's brother.

(01:14:57):
That dude could start out a Power five conference easily.
He's a junior. I don't know if he's gonna leave
her stay. Who knows. Maybe he's like a Christian Watson
and just kind of makes his way up throughout the draft,
gets drafted third or fourth round. But I feel like
you're starting to see that even more with Nil on
the portal. Is a lot of these guys going to
the FCS and the group of five.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
See this, that would be the defense of Oregon coming
after that dude on Boise. It's like Climbing's at Kansas State, right,
which is a good football job. Uh, they're the guy
that replaced him. I think his name's like I don't
want to screw up his last name, but he's now
the Fresno State head coach. South Dakota State's head coach

(01:15:38):
just left to become Washington State's head coach. So all
these guys go to Kansas State, Fresno State, Washington State
with hopes of one day being the head coach of
like Texas or Alabama or Oregon. Like that's the If
things go really well and those guys rattle off like
back to back ten or eleven win seasons, they will
be up for the head coach of Washington If Jed Fishley,

(01:15:59):
you know, that's it's no different than a player. So
it's like, I don't know, Derk Kutter, Like, Bro, you
bounced around, you became head coach. It's like, what the
hell's the difference? And I understand there should be some rules,
but if I was at Oregon as like the quote
unquote GM or the head coach, I had to be

(01:16:19):
doing the same thing. We'd have a list of It
wouldn't be everybody, but like, give me the top, like
ten guys at the Boise's the UCFS. I guess UCF's
a powerful but still you know whoever? I mean, guys
that could immediately start for us that we can give
an Washington State, Oregon State, probably one guy a program
and we either have a connection through a player on

(01:16:41):
our team that knows them, or we just go directly
to him or his agent and they're gonna get some yeses.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Right, Yeah, how can you knock on those guys for
just moving up the ladder? Like you mentioned, I've done
all I could here at my school winning national championships.
I want to go into Pac twelve. I want to
go to the Mountain West and try to compete and
then eventually make myself up the ladder.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Like you mentioned, one thing I heard. I saw this
guy that used to be a GM in college football,
and I saw a clip on social media and he said,
the first couple of years of the transfer portal, because
NIL was so new and so many programs didn't have
their collective or money flow, figured out that the transfer
portal was loaded with a lot of like elite guys,

(01:17:22):
like a ton of Jordan Addison Caleb Downs type guys
the first couple of years, and that's clearly has played
out that way right in the draft. A lot of
guys have been on multiple teams. Well, now a lot
of these programs have corralled some money, so they're top guys.
They can be very very aggressive to keep that they want,
So a lot of guys going in the transfer portal.

(01:17:44):
It's become a little like NFL free agency, Like once
the franchise tag happened, it's like, actually NFL free agency.
A lot of the top guys don't actually hit it.
They either get tagged or extended. And I do wonder
if the transfer portal has been diminished a little bit
at least with the powerful four guys jumping in. Like
if you're a Power four guy and jump in, you're
probably not in the leak guy, because if I want

(01:18:05):
to keep you, if I'm a top thirty program, I'm
just giving you five hundred a million whatever cost to
keep you where I think where you can pillage is
the Boise Fresno state. Like those type programs are still
right for the picking, but I do wonder if it's harder,
like why does this guy want to leave Alabama? Like
what's this actually? Because if they wanted to keep they
probably could right. Or it's like Ohio State, because if

(01:18:27):
I would have told you five years ago, like hey,
three guys want to transferm Ohio State, will a lot
of programs be all over them? Now? I'd be like
that's why wouldn't Ryan Day just want to Keepe they
have an unlimited but or Oregon or wherever. So I
do wonder if now it's much more like the minor
league non power for that FCS game, I mean, how
many programs had their GM Hell, they might have sent

(01:18:49):
them there on a scouting mission.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Yeah, there was a There was a lot of good
players on both sides, even NBSU. I know that it's FCS,
it's a lower division. But when you talk about dynasty's
in sports, NDSU's gotta be. I mean, ten national titles
in fourteen years, that's that's pretty incredible. What they're going
on in North Dakota State. You can even watch the
entire season and you probably blink your eyes you could

(01:19:12):
guess who would be in it. It'd be either in
North Kota State, South Dakota State, or insert blank team.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
It's pretty Montana Montana State.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Yeah, I was pretty happy to see Montana State lose.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
So isn't their quarterback supposed to be? But think about that,
like the Washington State guy, South Dakota State, the the
Fresno State guy is only one year removed from North
Dakota State. Those programs, it would have shock you of
South Dakota State like a lot. Like Signetti brought over
like fifteen guys to Washington State.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Yeah, South Dakota State's quarterback actually just committed to Iowa
the other day, which is which is kind of a
good fit. But to your point, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
The guys better than Washington State. But I'm saying that
next tier guys, like how many guys can that guy
bring with them to Washington State? And that's just the
kind of the new college football, at least for the
foreseeable future, which you know, we're weird way is kind
of entertaining. I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
I mean, it's free agency. It kind of brings more
eyes to sport. We always talk about parody and drama
and stuff, but man, this season's flown by. It kind
of stinks that we only got three more games left,
but I'm excited to see how it ends up turning
out for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Yeah, so you're feeling good, We'll get your feelings on
your way out because I'm taking Penn State.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah, I feel good. I got Notre Dame. I think
they win. I'm gonna go twenty four to twenty. I
think I think it's a low scoring game, Like you mentioned,
a dog fight back and forth. Hopefully my voice, I'm
gonna try to keep my voice together from when we
do the reaction after, because screaming a lot during that.
But I just I know we talk about it Notre
Dame all the time and stuff. But what Marcus Freeman's done,
I mean that turnaround with NIU losing that football game

(01:20:43):
to where they are right now and just the future
of what it brings and Brian Kelly quitting on Notre
Dame and them wanting to stay in house and trusting
the players. The athletic director said, hey, you know, we're
gonna look elsewhere the players wanted. Marcus Freeman. He comes
in and it's been a bumpy road. Marshall and I
you obviously are the worst two losses, but this run
has been special. It's been fun to see for sure.

(01:21:05):
And there's been so much young recruiting that they have
for years to come. I mean there's secondaries, freshman sophomores.
It's incredible. And then you're like you, like, you mentioned
your guy Bryce Young too, So what year?

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
What years?

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Love sophomore?

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Yeah, so it's like the core of their team. That
video where the strength coach announces to the team that
you know, a couple of days after Brian Kelly, maybe
it was it was within the week. It was relatively
quick that they made the decision. It's pretty cool. I mean,
it's it's pretty cool and uh yeah, man, I I
just you guys played I remember first week of the season.

(01:21:41):
Was it two years ago? You played Ohio State lost
kind of like a barn Burner game. Oh when was
was that three years ago?

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
I know that was that was the last year. Wasn't
the first week, but it was in the middle of
the It was in the million middle of the season,
I want to say October when they wore the green
uniforms and they brought twelve guys on defense and Ohio
State scored on the one and McCord was dealing I
think even a third and twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
I thought you guys had a game like Week one
or two where you won like twenty to fifteen or
twenty to twelve. Might have been twenty twenty. I thought
it was twenty twenty two. But again it's so a
Cole McCord's long gone who actually kind of looks sweet
now it might be a good like third round draft
picked dark horse in the NFL Draft one who okay,

(01:22:23):
good Lucky Jackson. I will talk to you soon. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Appreciate it you over going

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
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