January 13, 2025 • 41 mins
Where Colin was right and wrong
Jayden Daniels looked amazing last night against the Buccs
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two and a Monday, live
in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day if you're just tuning in. Mike
McCarthy and the Cowboys have agreed to part ways. It
came down to years, not money, meaning, Jerry said. Jerry
and Mike came to terms with money. But Mike McCarthy
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has a new agent, Don Yee, who I know a
little bit, highly respected, highly cerebral, knows how to market
his guys. He had Brady for years. He may still
have Tom. I think he told McCarthy asked for the moon.
You're the best coaching candidate out there now that Rabel's signed.
In fact, you got a ring and Mike Brabel doesn't
as a head coach and I think the Cowboys. Jerry
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didn't want to pay him for five years, and McCarthy
smartly said, I'm looking at my roster in Philadelphia's. I'm
not signing a three or four year deal. This is
a rebuild. And if you're the GM, Jerry, I want
five years, and Jerry didn't want it. Mike McCarthy wins,
All right, we do it. On Mondays, Colin was right,
Colin was wrong. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I picked the Washington Commanders as my surprise playoff team
in the NFL. I didn't know if they'd win a game,
but they did. I love Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Jaden Daniels.
I thought it worked, and I thought their division had
a couple of teams in the Giants in Dallas with
the week rosters. I said Friday, I don't think they're
as good as Tampa. I don't think they'll win, but
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if they do, it's because of, singularly Jaden Daniels. And
that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Where Colin was row.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I got a little too high on Jordan Love j
Max scolded me the entire season, But you know what
I thought after that, green Bay Dallas performance. I thought
this guy is gonna be great, and it was a
roller coaster year. Three picks against Philly. I was told
out of college by a GMI trust that he thought
he was a little loose and he wasn't sure you
could coach that out of him. But if you count
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the playoff game in Philly, he ended up with fourteen
picks and the nineteenth highest passer rating in the NFL.
I think he needs an off season with Matt Lafleur
to clean it up. I still like him a lot,
but I was a little too high on him, where
Colin was right. Mike Rabel to the Patriots, I said Friday,
Rabel's the best candidate, Patriots the best job. This is
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an easy one. People always say you can't go home again,
but this is the only opening where you get two
things that are necessary, and they get both a stable
owner with championship pedigree and and a young quarterback on
a rookie deal that shows great promise. Now, I mean,
I guess you could say Washington, but we didn't know
much about the new owner. We know Robert Kraft. This
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makes a lot of sense. I think he's gonna win
in fact, I think New England next year. You think
I'm crazy. I think they'll battle for a playoff spot,
a wild card playoff spot. You can always get better
on the perimeter, faster than you can on the lines.
You can go get corners, you can go get wide
receivers in the draft. This is the best running back
draft in a decade, and there's tons of receivers. I
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think he's a culture builder. I think it's perfect where
Colin was wrong, justin Herbert Listen. You know I love him,
but that was a stinker. Now, former Charger Dan Fouts
had his worst game as a pro in the playoffs.
But if you take out one pass to Lad McConkey,
they didn't do anything. And I love him, but he
was off in two playoffs starts. I've got to be honest.
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He has a passer rating a sixty and has completed
only fifty two percent of his throws. I still think
he's great, but you know what, your legacy gets cemented
and regresses in the playoffs, and he needs a really
great playoff performance. Two trips, two ugly ones.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Ohio State. I picked them to be in the National
Championship before the year, I said they would lose at
Odson and beat Oregon the next time. And I also said,
even after they beat Michigan, I still think they're one
of the top two teams in the country. I think
they're gonna beat Notre Dame and I like Notre Dame
a lot. But Ryan Day and Chip Kelly that Michigan
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loss was jet fuel. They are playing tremendous football. Will
Howard after a bad Michigan game is on it. I don't.
I mean, listen, their O line isn't all time stuff,
and the Buckeyes usually have great old lines. But running
back receiver Will Howard coaching there. There's nothing not to
like here, and it just proves rivalries are great. But
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Nick Saban won a Natty one year after losing to Auburn.
It comes in Ohio State. You got to move past
the Michigan game sometimes this team. The Michigan loss actually
was a catalyst for this performance where Colin was raw. Listen,
I had the Longhorns winning the National championship and they
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lost twice to Georgia, once to Ohio State, and they
should have lost Arizona State situationally, and I think Sarks
a very good coach, but boys situationally, they made some calls.
I did not love running outside on that goal line.
Play was not didn't work for me. I think they
got the most out of Quinn Yeers. I think he
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is what he is. Arch Manning will start this point forward,
But watching that game, I never felt Texas was as
good as Ohio State. And maybe it just comes down
to personnel. But I had them winning the Natty and
I'm wrong where Colin was right. I've been saying this
now for several years. I like Mike Tomlin, and he's
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great as an underdog coach, but when they lose effort,
you're in trouble because offensively, he can't figure out offensive lines.
They're offensive lines again seven straight year. They can't establish
a run game, and again they'll lead the NFL in
defensive spending. I think he's a good football coach, but
I think even good football coaches sometimes need a fresh start.
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And again I would hire Mike Tomlin. I mean, if
if the Cowboys called now that McCarthy's leaving, I'd hire
Mike Tomlin. I think he's a good coach. I think
the Pittsburgh thing, I think they need to reboot and
I think Mike Tomlin does too. Where Colin was right,
Lamar Jackson won his third playoff game. Listen, I know,
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I know, but he can't beat Kansas City, and nobody
could beat Tiger Woods in his prime or Michael Jordan
when he got to the finals. Sometimes winning in the
playoffs against the greatest quarterback playing in the sport is
really hard. But I think Lamar once again one hundred
and thirty two passer rating two TV's no picks without
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Zay Flowers. I mean they they knew. Everybody in the
ballpark knows they don't have they don't have a receiver.
It's Mark Edwards, Dereck Henry and Lamar didn't matter, poised great.
We got to stop the Lamar Jackson stuff. Yeah, he
struggles against Kansas City, the world struggled against MJ Like
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Phil Micholson's an all timer, couldn't be Tiger much. I
still think Lamar Jackson is really really special. Colin Wright,
Colin wrong, and with that eighteen years in the NFL,
three Pro Bowls, Super Bowls as well, Matt hasselbal Let's
first address, Mike McCarthy. You know, generally in this sport,
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players occasionally have leverage. You guys do occasionally. Coaches don't,
almost never gms don't. I kind of feel like Mike
McCarthy after Vrabel signed, he and his agent went, you know, Jerry,
we want five years guaranteed. It feels like and I
don't I think Mike's a good coach. Matt, what do
you make of it? And what do you make of Mike?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, there's no doubt. I think I think he's a
great coach.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
You know, this is kind of one of those things
in negotiating, it feels like Mike McCarthy's just kind of
betting on himself. You know, he looks out there, he
realizes what he is as a coach and what his
resume is, and then also, I think, probably most importantly,
his resume working with quarterbacks. His first ever quarterback coaching
job in the NFL was with the Kansas City Chiefs
coaching Joe Montana. And it started with Joe Montana and
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it runs right through look it up. It's pretty impressive.
Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and so like, I think if
you think about the jobs that are out there and
the quarterback help that needs to happen, Micha McCarthy's the
perfect guy. And I think when it comes to these
negotiations as well, he's not just thinking about himself. He's
thinking about the job security of his entire staff. And
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that's probably where he kind of bowed up for his
staff and said, Hey.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
You know, we want more, We want more commitment than
you're offering for the rest of the guys here.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
And I think the coaching staff appreciates that as well,
and I think you'll get a lot of the best
coaches to come with him.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, that's really interesting. I said this last week, Matt,
and I made me off my rocker, but I said,
the public loves two kind of coaches, the hip, young ones,
you know, Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, the cool guys, and
they liked the old Alphas. They liked Rabel and Dan Campbell.
And I'm like, he's not really either. He's just a
really good coach among players. How is he viewed like
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like what's his little secret sauce because he wins with everybody,
including Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah, listen, he was my quarterback coach early in Green
Bay when Ray Rhodes was the head coach actually, and
it was kind of miserable to have him as a
position coach because he worked us so hard, you know,
so like I mean that, I guess it's a compliment,
like it was tough. But he was a great teacher,
and I think he was a great developer. Like he
developed the roster Brett fav was the starting quarterback, but
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he was developing me, some kid off the practice squad
the year before. He was developing Aaron Brooks, a late
round pick that later became his starting quarterback when he
was the offensive coordinator for the New Orleans Saints. So,
you know, teacher, developer, those are all things you're looking
for in a coach.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And then I think at some level you have to
be able to, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Push a guy and inspire a team or the guys
that you're with to think bigger than they're actually thinking
for themselves. I know he did that for me personally,
and so just take that as a position coach, as
a coordinator, and just move it up to the head coach.
That's really what you are doing for the team when
you talk to the team. And then I think one
of the most underrated parts of being the head coach, yes,
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game management.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That's important. Everybody knows about that.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
But handling the bullets at the podium at the press conference,
when adversity strikes, when there's drama around your team, being
the guy that takes the blame, being the guy that
deflects the credit. He's got a lot of experience at
the podium that way. Some head coaches they can coach,
but they can't handle the podium. And for that reason,
I think you've got a proven commodity and Mike McCarthy here.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Okay, I know you love your Eagles, but they've got
Jalen Hurtskwon Barkley, the best all line, two good receivers,
Dallas Goddard, and they were two for eleven on third down.
I watched them.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah it was bad.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I mean bad.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, when you watch it, is it fair to say
they're really led by Saquon Barkley, not the quarterback. That's
kind of what I feel like.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know, I just think they're a team.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You know, I really think they're a team, and I
think the unselfishness of Saquon Barkley is uh is like,
you need more.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Guys to have that mindset.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Listen, I've been on this team this entire year, I
like this team, I like the quarterback. The quarterback did
not play well. I mean you could pretend like he
played great.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
He didn't. But I would just say this, having.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Been a quarterback who's come out of concussion protocol. It's
one thing to pass concussion protocol. It's a whole another
thing to feel like you are really absolutely one hundred
percent yourself. And so like I saw a guy that
was maybe a little tentative, maybe a little bit slower
than normal, maybe just didn't have that same like something
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just felt off to me.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
So if I'm just speaking.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Anecdotally for myself or what it was like for me
coming out of those situations, you know, that first game
back usually wasn't my best, And you know, maybe this
next week he'll feel more like himself, He'll look more
like himself, and the Eagles are gonna need him to
be that way to get the win because it's gonna
take more than what they had offensively in the passing
game this week.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I don't I said, if you look at the history
of the NFL and you talk all time stuff, and
I'm talking forar of Peyton Mahomes, I mean, like all
time stuff, you could argue there's been fifteen or sixteen
of those quarterbacks that are just different. I don't know
how Jaden Daniels as a rookie is this good laden games?
Is it cognitive? Is it intuitive? Is it just innate?
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Matt he looks calmer. This is very Mahomes. Remember Mahomes
first couple of years, we were like you could never
tell what the score was. He was as good trailing
as he was leading. And it was just like it
almost like he just kind of privately shifted gear and
was more accurate in crisis. I don't even know what
to make of jad and Daniels. I mean, what do
you see.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
That he's unfazed and and he's really unbelievable, Like in
the pressure moments, not only does his team believe in him,
does everyone at home believe like, yeah, he's gonna get
it done. I really believe the opponent thinks like, ah,
here we go again. You know, we gave him too
much time the balls in his hands, and that's as
a runner or as a thrower. And you know some
of those great quarterbacks you mentioned Mahomes, Like, I'm as
big a Mahomes fan as you could possibly be, but
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like he's got that emotional like roller coaster he gets,
you know, he gets into it with officials and he's
yelling and he's you know, I feel like Andy Reid's
got to put his hands on his shoulders sometimes and
be like, hey, I'm down, take a deep breath. Yeah,
and you know, like that's great. You can be that way.
Jaden doesn't seem that way, like up down, high low,
game winner.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
He's just kind of like he's just cool.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
He's just medium, as they say, and and that's fine.
Like I just I think, to me, to me, I
talk about it like all the time, the quarterback position.
When you get that right, it could be you're you
now are amazing marin aasauce over yesterday's pasta.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You cover up for all bad play calls.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Uh medium talent, miss block up front wide receiver, didn't
run a great route, it's all of a sudden, a
perfect throw.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Like he is that guy. He is everything you're looking
for at a quarterback that way. So so look out.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I mean, you want to talk about a guy that
can pull off an upset, Jayden Daniels is your guy.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So I got to ask you. I know, it's a
it's a week off but Baltimore without Jay Flowers. Wow, uh, Buffalo,
this is the most complete I would argue outside of
Detroit and Philly, and maybe along with them James Cook,
two tight ends, three receivers. You forget Amari Cooper's on
the team, a great left tackle, Josh Allen. I don't know,
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I I I think Buffalo is the best team I've
seen in the AFC. What do you expect in that game?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I like Buffalo. I love the quarterback, I love the coach.
I love a lot about what they're doing offensively. I
don't like this matchup. I mean, the only good thing
I can say really is that this time around, this
game is in Buffalo. But if you go back and
watch that game September twenty ninth, Buffalo goes to Baltimore,
I mean that was a beat down. I mean it
wasn't even really competitive, and so like matchup wise, you know,
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I just really think that they're going to have their
hands full with the running game. You know, we're going
to talk about Derek Henry, we talk about Lamar. I
just think Todd Munkin in Baltimore. They're rolling right now.
A lot of times you'll hear coaches say this, Hey,
let's just get into the tournament and let's play our
best football at the at the right time. I think
that's what's happening for Baltimore right now. So quite honestly,
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this might be you know, the Super Bowl may happen
a few weeks whatever. This might be the best game though.
This might be the best game of the entire playoff.
Two of the top quarterbacks. I just think that run
game is going to be a real problem for Buffalo.
They have to have a different game plan than they
had the first time.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, Dereck Henry is the opposite of most great backs.
He wasn't great early in his career, but he's better
as an old running back. Usually running backs have like
six years of great and then they tail off. I
don't know what he I mean, it's it's some vitamin program,
but it is well.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It fits. It fits together because you have to.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
You have to decide are we gonna honor the naked
bootleg or are we gonna honor the zone read to
the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Or are we going to commit an extra guy to
Derrick Henry?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And if one guy misses, he's out the gate And
Todd Munkin's done a great job of having naked bootlegs
and plays off of it. Direct snap I candy smoking
mirrors to the quarterback running a jet suite. I mean,
it all fits together right now, and it's just headaches.
You can't play your normal NFL style defense against this offense.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Wow. Finally, I look, I look it over the landscape,
and almost every quarterback outside of Jared Goff that is
winning in this league moves. They all move. Mahomes moves,
Hurts moves, Jaden moves. It's I look at this pocket thing,
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and I think, well, Brady won a bunch and GoF
does have a great old line. But I'm watching Jaden
last night and I'm thinking to myself, is the pocket court?
I know you gotta throw from the pocket, but it
felt like all weekend the mobility was a huge factor
on third down for these teams. Do you feel like
as a pocket you could move, but as a pocket
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guy that the game's just changed and you have to
move to win the ring?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I would agree with you.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I think the movement, the quarterback movement was a major
factor this weekend. Big plays third down, fourth down, especially
fourth down this week I thought that was a real factor.
I would just say this though, I've heard that conversation
for years and years and years, and I heard it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
All throughout the playoffs, and you saw a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And at the end of the year, it was a
guy like Tom Brady or Nick Foles or somebody else,
you know, having the great year. Matt Ryan had an
MVP year. And so I don't think there's one way
to skin a cat that way. I think quarterback movement
keeps defensive coordinators up at night. You say, who would
you rather defend? They don't want to defend a guy
that can move around. But at the end of the day,
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it's the consistent delivering the ball on time, on the
proper shoulder to convert third downs to win in the
red area. I think that's that's probably the thing that's
been true over time. But there's no doubt the creativity
from the college game with these quarterbacks that can move
and then the scramble drills. If you ask any decordinator,
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they want none of that.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Finally, Jimmy Johnson yesterday suggested McCarthy to Pittsburgh, Tomlin to Dallas.
What do you make of that? It sounds fun, It's genius.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I mean, that'd be super fun.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
There's nobody more Pittsburgh that I've ever met than Mike McCarthy.
I mean that that dude loves Pittsburgh. But I just,
you know, I think Mike Tomlin's an awesome coach. I
think the talks of getting rid of Mike Tomlin are
kind of ridiculous. The only way I think that that
could work is if if Mike Tomlin wanted to wanted
to change his scenery for some reason. I think he's
a great coach. Changes need to need to happen, though,
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Like the effort in the pursuit that I saw defensively
from from Pittsburgh yesterday, at times it looked like a
Pro Bowl defense, like, you know, just tagging off, standing
around the pile.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I just didn't recognize it.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Having gone against that team for many, many years, their
defense was just always relentless, always tough, physical, flying around
to the ball. You know, Like I used this quote
before on defense, your love for your teammate and for
what we're doing can be measured by how close you
are to the ball when the whistle blows.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And uh, you know, so I think that's got to
get fixed.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I think If Mike Tomlin wants to stay, he's earned
the right to be the guy to fix it.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Matt Hasselbeck, eighteen years in the NFL. Love having you
on on a Monday, Thanks buddy.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
All right, Sea going all right.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Of all the players that come on and have rooms
behind them, that's my favorite room. Even his room looks
organized behind him. Mike McCarthy is available on the market.
If I'm Chicago, I would offer him the job today.
If I was the Chicago Bears, I'd offer him the
job today. If I was the Pittsburgh Steelers who can't
get their run game or all line right, I would
offer Mike McCarthy the Steelers job today. Dallas, I think
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I look at Dallas and I think they don't have
the personnel to match up with teams. So I may
go Ben Johnson. I'm gonna need somebody that can innovate
beyond my personnel. That's not really McCarthy. He's good, but
I think Dallas may need an innovator. I mean, he
can go to Dallas, but Dallas is personnel. And we've
been on this all year. I don't like their roster,
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don't love it.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Let me back up for a second, do the Bears
need to wait to see what happens with Tomlin?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Because I gotta be honest, I didn't. I thought the
smoke was I.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Would take McCarthy over Tomlin because I've got listen, Tomlin
can't figure out the Steelers old line. Job one in
Chicago has fix that old line. It's been terrible for
seven years. Coaches for the GM, well, Mike mcg andy,
Reid and Sean McVay. I've watched them fix an offensive
line and he.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Has a great GM. Come on, well, it is one
of the best in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, I'm just.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
We gotta stop comparing people to the Chiefs all weekend.
People are well, justin Herbert through four Pixie stinks. He's
not Patrick Mahomes yout.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
No bleep Sherlock.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
We know that.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Let's stop comparing teams to the chief eying lined up.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Here's what the Bears haven't had a lot of Super
Bowl winning coaches who get the most out of quarterbacks.
They don't do that very often. Have they had tough
defensive guys? Dave Wantstatt, Yeah, they've hadded defensive guys, and
I don't think the Bears job is just about maximizing
Caleb it. You know my rule in this game. Number
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one is get your quarterback. Chicago has it. Number two
is protect your quarterback. Your old line is an insurance policy.
And the Bears old line regressed significantly.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
This yay, So okay, Tomlin's not on the market.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
But if something crazy and dumb happens, so all things
being equal, Bears are cowboys.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Who has a better roster?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well Bears?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Okay, no quest do the Bears need? I know you
said offensive line, but don't they need a culture?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
This is twenty years.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
I don't know what the Chicago Bears are. They don't
have an identity and haven't for the longest time. Mike Tomlin, bringkay,
But Mike Tomlin, we know his record. He's strong, he
has he has tone deaf to offense.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yeah, when you got Mason Rudolph and Russell.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
His last five years with Big Ben, no playoffs, it.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Was kind of washt. He was always out of shape
and he.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Was in his last two years and they were a
bottom ten offense in Big Ben's last three years. You
got to fix that quarterback Carthy uh over Tomlin, listen,
that's you don't have to love Mike McCarthy. But here's
what Mike McCarthy has done. He has worked with Cooper Rush,
Dak Farv, Joe Montana, Everybody, Aaron Rodgers, and Prickly. He's
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had different personalities, different styles with quarterbacks. He's worked with
all of them, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
I don't think it's a coincidence. He has the most.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Medaling owner and no owner in.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Green Bay, and he worked with both, so he has
owner sort of bandwidth.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Tell your boy West who put that on a poll?
Who would you rather have in Chicago? Mike Tomlin or McCarthy.
I think that's fat well.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
But Tomlin's got that alpha thing and fans love in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
I mean a heartbeat and no justice. I like McCarthy.
I think I would take them with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Listen, the Chicago would probably hire Tomlin because they're still
celebrating the eighty five Bears. No, I'm not joking. Like
it's like everybody got a restaurant and a car dealership deal.
It's they love defense in Chicago. The world. Look at
your division, Kevin O'Connell, Matt Lafleur's. I mean it's like
you gotta score points in this division. You gotta score points.
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You listen, It's just like if you're in a division
with Mahomes or Josh Allen. That's Bill Belichick was overwhelmed
by Josh Allen. Belichick he couldn't stop him. Bill, say
what you want about quarterback. Belichick could not stop Josh Allen.
Nobody's stopping Lamar Jackson consistently. You got to get that
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offense right, that O line right, get your quarterback, protect
your quarterback, and then draft guys who go get their quarterback.
If you just stay on that, you can find running backs,
receivers and corners.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Okay, so real quick, I know we gotta go to
break Jets.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
If McCarthy and Tomlin are both there, who should the
Jets go for?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
And again, Tomlin's not there. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers Again, well, I would go with
Tomlin with the Jets. He's a no nonsense with Aaron Rodgers.
Tomlin with the Jets is my choice. Tomlin with the
Cowboys could be fine. He would McCarthy to the Bears
or the Saints to me.
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Speaker 1 (25:20):
Some thoughts on the Green Bay Packers and a big
change in the NFL that I love. But first, here's
j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
No, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
I don't think people get how fired up you are today.
Cow Herd is really he's got a lot of material.
Let's see what he has to say about the Patriots.
Hiring Mike Rabel as the sixteenth head coach in franchise history.
Happened over the weekend and he returns to New England,
where he was an integral part of three Super Bowl
championship teams, playing there for eight seasons.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I was wrong.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
I thought he was going to the Raiders, But a
nice job here by the Patriots to grab him. And
Rabel talked about what makes the Patriots special.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
The people, the history, and not that the banners that
hang in our stadium they're they're not going to help
us win, but I think it's a great reminder of
what it takes to win and the type of people
that you haven't have to have in the organization, the
selflessness that the work and the sacrifice that you have
to make.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
So to me, those are great reminders of what it takes.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think they're a playoff team. Next year I called
the Commanders, I called the Rams, last year the Vikings.
The year before Patriots make the playoffs. There's enough murky
chaos in that division. Keep your eye. You can get
better at wide receiver very quickly in this league.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Okay, I'll take a counter. I'll go opposite here. I'm
seeing in the notes.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Josh McDaniel's a definite possibility for offensive court.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
He's pretty good at that.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
It's almost like the Patriots are running their organization like
like like the Lakers have. Hey, we got to hire
a Lakers guide. We got to do we got to
keep it in house. Like there's this is almost more
of the same. They're like extending the Belichick legacy.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He he is the best coach on the market.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Based on what like I get it. He's high demand.
Everybody wants him.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Okay, what he got Ryan Tannehill. Go look at the
quarterbacks in the AFC. When he was getting Ryan Tannehill
to the AFC Championship and a number eed. Now he
lost also to Joe Burrow, but he was a number
one seed and they did not have a number one roster.
I first of all, at the end when they let
(27:34):
go of AJ Brown. The minute they let go of
A J. Brown, he was having trouble with people upstairs
the GM. Yeah, and when they lost A J. Brown,
Mike Rabel just you know what I mean, he knew.
Everybody in the world knew. Okay, it's old for that's
all they had offensively outside of Derrick Henry.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So I'm looking up his record here, Okay, Tennessee fifty
four and forty five, two or three in the playoffs.
Like I mean, he's been ahead coach six years. He
had the one awesome season where they were the number
one seed.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
He won the division.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Have you ever thought of the Titans spectacularly run, brilliantly owned.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
I don't know, No.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
So he had a nice run. And I'm not poo
pooing Brig. I think he's good. But this idea that
they're going to the playoff.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
He won fifty percent of his games with Marcus Mariota
and Ryan Tannehill. Marcus Mariota was like the second pick
in the draft and Will Levis Oh my bad, I
gotta throwing Will levit he didn't.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Okay, we should make this interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Do you want to? Yeah, I'll do it right now. Sorry,
playoff team next, Okay, I'll get you a big old
bag of Rhode Island oysters.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I do like oysters.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'm gonna I think they're gonna be you guys all left.
Houston did it, Chargers did it, Broncos did it, Commanders
did it. If Drake May, who you liked a lot,
you would have taken him number I liked.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I still like to Jamis No, but he's still good.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Oh okay, let me by the way, they got money
to do this.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
They got money.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
How about t Higgins to the Patriots? Maybe that would
that would be good. Who's coming out of the playoffs?
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Who's stepping down because you're putting them in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I think the Chiefs are gonna have a down year?
How about this? How about this? I don't even want
to answer that question.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Oh yeah, of course I don't have an answer yet.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
How about Steelers? Okay, the boom ate the test out,
Ryan whispered, got in my ear. Thank you Ryan on
the show? Has my back now? Getting doing a lot
more than hockey scores over there.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Oh boy, here we go. Next up is what are
we doing?
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Oh oh, they sold MVP stuff between Josh Allen and
Lamar Jackson, so both of them are battling for everything.
Now they will face off in the divisional round matchup
on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
It's the night game. It's it's great. I'm surprised. Look
at that line, Colin.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
You're seeing that money coming in since the line opened
all on the Ravens on the road.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, here's the here's the thing that is that really
makes you. Buffalo is gonna struggle with this run.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Game defensively in the front.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, it's this is not a great matchup. Now again
it's at the Bills and Josh Allen like a Jayden
Daniels can just be magical. I think this is a
stay away game for me.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I have not bet this.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
No, no, no to me. It's just like folks, when you
get two great organizations and two superstar quarterbacks, you can't
predict it. Now, if Dave Flowers doesn't play, I don't
love that. But I think they look okay without it. No, no,
but I again, that's Pittsburgh in this. I it's gonna
be hard for me to bet against Josh Allen at home.
(30:39):
Whoever wins this game, I'm totally happy. I do think
Buffalo matches up better against the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
There you go, That's what I was headed to him.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But the Buffalo matches up better with the Chiefs. They
already beat him in a week eleven.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
I did bet the other two games, but I'm leaning
bills here, but.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
I don't have I don't have a cent on this.
I mean, it's gonna be great. This is a great matchup.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Whoever can beat the Chiefs. That's why I want to win.
I'm so the Chiefs are waxing the Texans. Okay, that's
that's gonna be a bloodbath. Final story, Colin, Let's go
to the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Now.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Would you have a Raiders fan on staff? So he's
upset about this.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Deon Sanders is not going to be the next Raiders coach.
According to multiple reports.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Prime has expressed interest in the job, but Las Vegas
has quote zero interest in bringing deannaboard. Further reports indicate
Ben Johnson is their target. He had a Zoom interview Friday.
If Ben Johnson's their target, they're gonna be waiting maybe
until the Super Bowl or after it because the Lions
are looking good. Pete Carrol, the former USC Seahawks coach,
(31:41):
is scheduled to interview.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I don't think day Carroll's a bad call. There don't.
I don't know if it's the best call, but I
think Pete Carroll because you didn't get Rayble Brady couldn't
talk you into that. And I mean, you know, Tom
faced Pete Carroll in a Super Bowl, so he's seen
that Pete Carroll defense.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
They shoved out the GM because they have something here.
It's some kind of package deal.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Right.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
You don't wait a day then kick can the coach
and wait another day, then fire the GM.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
They got something cooked.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Up here, right.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I I don't think Dion. You've been on Dion to
the Raiders. I don't buy it. They've done the star coach,
they did John Gruden, They've done that thing. They've done
a dynasty coach. I would go. I think at this
point they're going to get a quarterback. I would probably
(32:31):
this is not a job i'd want. I'll probably go
with the whiz kid. I would probably try to get
the best offensive coordinator, try to get Liam Cohen from Tampa.
If you want to get Aaron Glenn, I think Aaron
Glenn's better than this job. But I could see handing
it over. If you're in a division with Sean Payton,
Jim Harbon, Andy Reid, you better get a clever offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
So I missed this.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
This is just a brick in handicapping who's going to
get the Raiders' job.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I had forgotten how bad.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
The Josh McDaniels experience was there, So I guess Mark
daniels was scarred by that.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
And he's like, I'm not doing Patriot wanning. So we
were off on that. I mean, I just totally missed.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
You.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Remember McDaniels was there and it just yeah, it didn't work.
What spiral quickly? And he doesn't want to do what
other Patriots got. Ben Johnson is obviously a hot name here.
Is there a college guy who gets you excited a Sark?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
If you will to Vegas?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
What about Ryan Day and Chip Kelly? Is a package
deal after they win the national championship.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
That's not terrible, that's interesting, Sark.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Listen, Sark's got the best college job, arguably in the country.
I'm not taking the Raiders job. Yeah, if you offered
me the Bears job that I'm interested in, if I'm sark,
that interests me. But I'm not going take it to me.
The Raiders is the worst job.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Worse than the Saints. Yep, stop, come.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
On, I got Saints have. The Benson family does not
run through coaches. They gave Dennis Allen an extra year
that I wouldn't have. Mickey Loomis is good.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
That's their judgment is cloudy.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
They don't have any cap space. But I I'll feel their.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Their rosters rut it right now.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
The man some of these they moved off Zach Bond
and they'd all pro with the Eagles, the guys everywhere,
like just some of these personal decisions. I don't love
what's going on with the Saints. I think people are
maybe sleeping on the Jags is a potential good job.
I would go Trevor Lawrence down. Balky obviously is.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I would not go there. Trent Balkey and Harball could
not get along. I don't like, you know, Harball was
doing too much winning for him.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
It's funny how all these have like major red flags.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Look at all those teams now they do They're bad teams,
bad organizations.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
There's a reason they have a job opening. H J
Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
The Rabel got the best job in my opinion, Mike McCarthy.
I think the Bears is the second best job I'd hire.
Mike McCarthy. Uh, Tomlin May. I just can't see Pittsburgh
making a move. Some thoughts on the Packers and a
a change in the NFL this weekend, and I think
it's pretty clear. Get ahead of it, not behind it.
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Speaker 1 (36:25):
John Baptiste is amazing.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Did I get his name right?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Oh? He's just incredible. Listen, green Bay lost. Take a
deep breath, not a terrible loss. We all thought Green
Bay was a year away and then you lose five
offensive performers in the game. You're not gonna win at
Philadelphia fumble the opening kickoff. The truth is about the
Green Bay Packers. They went oh and to six against
the Lions, Eagles, and Vikings. I lost perspective last year
(36:52):
when they rolled Dallas. I thought, all right, here we go.
But you know what happened the next week they lost
to San Francisco and Jordan Love had two picks. And
that's probably what they are. A quarterback that's young, ascending
and growing and a bunch of skill. Farv won a
Super Bowl in Green Bay in year five, Aaron won
it in year six, and Jordan Love just finished year five.
(37:13):
It's gonna be okay. They lost a couple of receivers
the offensive line. Philadelphia's O and D lines are better
to begin with. Forget losing guys. They got a great coach,
a really good young quarterback, tons of skill cap space.
They're fine. They used to call them yuppies when you
were young and upwardly mobile. That's what Green Bay is.
They've they've got space, they've got talent, they got skilled,
(37:36):
they got a good coach. But it was and you
could tell early it was just not their day and
here's Matt Lafleur after you.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Know, it's just right now.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Well, that's about that's about par for the night, right there.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, knocked over a water bottle. Packers are going to
be fine. Here's the other thing that for years and
years I said, o lines, quarterbacks, coaching, that's the cake
of a football team. Receivers are icing, and then receivers
got very hot. Receivers are back to being icing. Look
at who looks really good now, Buffalo, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore.
(38:20):
The top six rushing teams in the NFL all made
the playoffs. That's never happened before. Colin running back is dead. No.
The narrative is seven of the top wide receivers in
receptions missed the playoffs. Here's what wins in December and
(38:40):
January and early February. Physicality, controlling the clock, long drives
at the end of a game, when you have a lead,
third down, red zone scoring. All of those are about
the running back. It's only so much you can do
with a wide receiver at the three yard line. That's
when you need the running back. I mean, the Texans
(39:03):
smoke the Chargers without Tank Dell or Stefan Diggs. The
Bills are better without very talented Stefan Diggs. The Jets
didn't necessarily get great when Devonte Adams arrives, and I
like him, and receivers are important, but it's a coach
quarterback lead the run games. After the game, Lamar Jackson
(39:25):
was asked, what is it like to watch Dereck Henry run?
Speaker 10 (39:31):
It looked like a movie clip, Like you know when,
like I'm gonna give some cars. You watch the movie Cars,
you know when when lighton McQueen is flying flashing past,
and then it's like, that's how Derek look and all
those guys just it look.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It looks like a movie.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Bro.
Speaker 10 (39:47):
I'm not gonna lie to see you.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Let me give you four examples. The Raiders let Josh
Jacobs go how their season work, the Titans less, let
Dereck Henry go with Will Levis. He probably could have
used Derrick Henry how that work out? The Panthers a
few years ago, let Christian McCaffrey go how that work out?
(40:09):
And the Giants let Saquon Barkley walk to the Eagles, Raiders, Titans, Panthers, Giants.
By the way, I'll say this, Chargers could have used
a little Austin Eckler. I'm just saying running backs will
always have value. They are a quarterback, especially a young
(40:31):
quarterback's best friend. The things that win late in the
season when the weather gets crappy is not a vertical receiver.
Tyreek Hill in January. In December, I'm not interested.
Speaker 9 (40:43):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I'm interested in the Lions backfield, the Eagles backfield, Baltimore's backfield,
James Cook, Mean, Baltimore has been good for years. What changed?
James Cook in the red zone? Guy can smell the
end zone. He's got like red zone laser. Running Backs
(41:05):
are great. Don't ever believe running backs are going away.
They get hurt more, always going to have more value
than a receiver.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two and a Monday, live
in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day if you're just tuning in. Mike
McCarthy and the Cowboys have agreed to part ways. It
came down to years, not money, meaning, Jerry said. Jerry
and Mike came to terms with money. But Mike McCarthy
(00:49):
has a new agent, Don Yee, who I know a
little bit, highly respected, highly cerebral, knows how to market
his guys. He had Brady for years. He may still
have Tom. I think he told McCarthy asked for the moon.
You're the best coaching candidate out there now that Rabel's signed.
In fact, you got a ring and Mike Brabel doesn't
as a head coach and I think the Cowboys. Jerry
(01:11):
didn't want to pay him for five years, and McCarthy
smartly said, I'm looking at my roster in Philadelphia's. I'm
not signing a three or four year deal. This is
a rebuild. And if you're the GM, Jerry, I want
five years, and Jerry didn't want it. Mike McCarthy wins,
All right, we do it. On Mondays, Colin was right,
Colin was wrong. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I picked the Washington Commanders as my surprise playoff team
in the NFL. I didn't know if they'd win a game,
but they did. I love Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Jaden Daniels.
I thought it worked, and I thought their division had
a couple of teams in the Giants in Dallas with
the week rosters. I said Friday, I don't think they're
as good as Tampa. I don't think they'll win, but
(01:53):
if they do, it's because of, singularly Jaden Daniels. And
that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Where Colin was row.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I got a little too high on Jordan Love j
Max scolded me the entire season, But you know what
I thought after that, green Bay Dallas performance. I thought
this guy is gonna be great, and it was a
roller coaster year. Three picks against Philly. I was told
out of college by a GMI trust that he thought
he was a little loose and he wasn't sure you
could coach that out of him. But if you count
(02:22):
the playoff game in Philly, he ended up with fourteen
picks and the nineteenth highest passer rating in the NFL.
I think he needs an off season with Matt Lafleur
to clean it up. I still like him a lot,
but I was a little too high on him, where
Colin was right. Mike Rabel to the Patriots, I said Friday,
Rabel's the best candidate, Patriots the best job. This is
(02:43):
an easy one. People always say you can't go home again,
but this is the only opening where you get two
things that are necessary, and they get both a stable
owner with championship pedigree and and a young quarterback on
a rookie deal that shows great promise. Now, I mean,
I guess you could say Washington, but we didn't know
much about the new owner. We know Robert Kraft. This
(03:06):
makes a lot of sense. I think he's gonna win
in fact, I think New England next year. You think
I'm crazy. I think they'll battle for a playoff spot,
a wild card playoff spot. You can always get better
on the perimeter, faster than you can on the lines.
You can go get corners, you can go get wide
receivers in the draft. This is the best running back
draft in a decade, and there's tons of receivers. I
(03:27):
think he's a culture builder. I think it's perfect where
Colin was wrong, justin Herbert Listen. You know I love him,
but that was a stinker. Now, former Charger Dan Fouts
had his worst game as a pro in the playoffs.
But if you take out one pass to Lad McConkey,
they didn't do anything. And I love him, but he
was off in two playoffs starts. I've got to be honest.
(03:48):
He has a passer rating a sixty and has completed
only fifty two percent of his throws. I still think
he's great, but you know what, your legacy gets cemented
and regresses in the playoffs, and he needs a really
great playoff performance. Two trips, two ugly ones.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Ohio State. I picked them to be in the National
Championship before the year, I said they would lose at
Odson and beat Oregon the next time. And I also said,
even after they beat Michigan, I still think they're one
of the top two teams in the country. I think
they're gonna beat Notre Dame and I like Notre Dame
a lot. But Ryan Day and Chip Kelly that Michigan
(04:27):
loss was jet fuel. They are playing tremendous football. Will
Howard after a bad Michigan game is on it. I don't.
I mean, listen, their O line isn't all time stuff,
and the Buckeyes usually have great old lines. But running
back receiver Will Howard coaching there. There's nothing not to
like here, and it just proves rivalries are great. But
(04:50):
Nick Saban won a Natty one year after losing to Auburn.
It comes in Ohio State. You got to move past
the Michigan game sometimes this team. The Michigan loss actually
was a catalyst for this performance where Colin was raw. Listen,
I had the Longhorns winning the National championship and they
(05:11):
lost twice to Georgia, once to Ohio State, and they
should have lost Arizona State situationally, and I think Sarks
a very good coach, but boys situationally, they made some calls.
I did not love running outside on that goal line.
Play was not didn't work for me. I think they
got the most out of Quinn Yeers. I think he
(05:31):
is what he is. Arch Manning will start this point forward,
But watching that game, I never felt Texas was as
good as Ohio State. And maybe it just comes down
to personnel. But I had them winning the Natty and
I'm wrong where Colin was right. I've been saying this
now for several years. I like Mike Tomlin, and he's
(05:51):
great as an underdog coach, but when they lose effort,
you're in trouble because offensively, he can't figure out offensive lines.
They're offensive lines again seven straight year. They can't establish
a run game, and again they'll lead the NFL in
defensive spending. I think he's a good football coach, but
I think even good football coaches sometimes need a fresh start.
(06:12):
And again I would hire Mike Tomlin. I mean, if
if the Cowboys called now that McCarthy's leaving, I'd hire
Mike Tomlin. I think he's a good coach. I think
the Pittsburgh thing, I think they need to reboot and
I think Mike Tomlin does too. Where Colin was right,
Lamar Jackson won his third playoff game. Listen, I know,
(06:33):
I know, but he can't beat Kansas City, and nobody
could beat Tiger Woods in his prime or Michael Jordan
when he got to the finals. Sometimes winning in the
playoffs against the greatest quarterback playing in the sport is
really hard. But I think Lamar once again one hundred
and thirty two passer rating two TV's no picks without
(06:53):
Zay Flowers. I mean they they knew. Everybody in the
ballpark knows they don't have they don't have a receiver.
It's Mark Edwards, Dereck Henry and Lamar didn't matter, poised great.
We got to stop the Lamar Jackson stuff. Yeah, he
struggles against Kansas City, the world struggled against MJ Like
(07:17):
Phil Micholson's an all timer, couldn't be Tiger much. I
still think Lamar Jackson is really really special. Colin Wright,
Colin wrong, and with that eighteen years in the NFL,
three Pro Bowls, Super Bowls as well, Matt hasselbal Let's
first address, Mike McCarthy. You know, generally in this sport,
(07:37):
players occasionally have leverage. You guys do occasionally. Coaches don't,
almost never gms don't. I kind of feel like Mike
McCarthy after Vrabel signed, he and his agent went, you know, Jerry,
we want five years guaranteed. It feels like and I
don't I think Mike's a good coach. Matt, what do
you make of it? And what do you make of Mike?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, there's no doubt. I think I think he's a
great coach.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
You know, this is kind of one of those things
in negotiating, it feels like Mike McCarthy's just kind of
betting on himself. You know, he looks out there, he
realizes what he is as a coach and what his
resume is, and then also, I think, probably most importantly,
his resume working with quarterbacks. His first ever quarterback coaching
job in the NFL was with the Kansas City Chiefs
coaching Joe Montana. And it started with Joe Montana and
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it runs right through look it up. It's pretty impressive.
Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and so like, I think if
you think about the jobs that are out there and
the quarterback help that needs to happen, Micha McCarthy's the
perfect guy. And I think when it comes to these
negotiations as well, he's not just thinking about himself. He's
thinking about the job security of his entire staff. And
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that's probably where he kind of bowed up for his
staff and said, Hey.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
You know, we want more, We want more commitment than
you're offering for the rest of the guys here.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
And I think the coaching staff appreciates that as well,
and I think you'll get a lot of the best
coaches to come with him.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, that's really interesting. I said this last week, Matt,
and I made me off my rocker, but I said,
the public loves two kind of coaches, the hip, young ones,
you know, Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, the cool guys, and
they liked the old Alphas. They liked Rabel and Dan Campbell.
And I'm like, he's not really either. He's just a
really good coach among players. How is he viewed like
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like what's his little secret sauce because he wins with everybody,
including Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah, listen, he was my quarterback coach early in Green
Bay when Ray Rhodes was the head coach actually, and
it was kind of miserable to have him as a
position coach because he worked us so hard, you know,
so like I mean that, I guess it's a compliment,
like it was tough. But he was a great teacher,
and I think he was a great developer. Like he
developed the roster Brett fav was the starting quarterback, but
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he was developing me, some kid off the practice squad
the year before. He was developing Aaron Brooks, a late
round pick that later became his starting quarterback when he
was the offensive coordinator for the New Orleans Saints. So,
you know, teacher, developer, those are all things you're looking
for in a coach.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And then I think at some level you have to
be able to, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Push a guy and inspire a team or the guys
that you're with to think bigger than they're actually thinking
for themselves. I know he did that for me personally,
and so just take that as a position coach, as
a coordinator, and just move it up to the head coach.
That's really what you are doing for the team when
you talk to the team. And then I think one
of the most underrated parts of being the head coach, yes,
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game management.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That's important. Everybody knows about that.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
But handling the bullets at the podium at the press conference,
when adversity strikes, when there's drama around your team, being
the guy that takes the blame, being the guy that
deflects the credit. He's got a lot of experience at
the podium that way. Some head coaches they can coach,
but they can't handle the podium. And for that reason,
I think you've got a proven commodity and Mike McCarthy here.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Okay, I know you love your Eagles, but they've got
Jalen Hurtskwon Barkley, the best all line, two good receivers,
Dallas Goddard, and they were two for eleven on third down.
I watched them.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah it was bad.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I mean bad.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, when you watch it, is it fair to say
they're really led by Saquon Barkley, not the quarterback. That's
kind of what I feel like.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know, I just think they're a team.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You know, I really think they're a team, and I
think the unselfishness of Saquon Barkley is uh is like,
you need more.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Guys to have that mindset.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Listen, I've been on this team this entire year, I
like this team, I like the quarterback. The quarterback did
not play well. I mean you could pretend like he
played great.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
He didn't. But I would just say this, having.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Been a quarterback who's come out of concussion protocol. It's
one thing to pass concussion protocol. It's a whole another
thing to feel like you are really absolutely one hundred
percent yourself. And so like I saw a guy that
was maybe a little tentative, maybe a little bit slower
than normal, maybe just didn't have that same like something
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just felt off to me.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
So if I'm just speaking.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Anecdotally for myself or what it was like for me
coming out of those situations, you know, that first game
back usually wasn't my best, And you know, maybe this
next week he'll feel more like himself, He'll look more
like himself, and the Eagles are gonna need him to
be that way to get the win because it's gonna
take more than what they had offensively in the passing
game this week.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I don't I said, if you look at the history
of the NFL and you talk all time stuff, and
I'm talking forar of Peyton Mahomes, I mean, like all
time stuff, you could argue there's been fifteen or sixteen
of those quarterbacks that are just different. I don't know
how Jaden Daniels as a rookie is this good laden games?
Is it cognitive? Is it intuitive? Is it just innate?
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Matt he looks calmer. This is very Mahomes. Remember Mahomes
first couple of years, we were like you could never
tell what the score was. He was as good trailing
as he was leading. And it was just like it
almost like he just kind of privately shifted gear and
was more accurate in crisis. I don't even know what
to make of jad and Daniels. I mean, what do
you see.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
That he's unfazed and and he's really unbelievable, Like in
the pressure moments, not only does his team believe in him,
does everyone at home believe like, yeah, he's gonna get
it done. I really believe the opponent thinks like, ah,
here we go again. You know, we gave him too
much time the balls in his hands, and that's as
a runner or as a thrower. And you know some
of those great quarterbacks you mentioned Mahomes, Like, I'm as
big a Mahomes fan as you could possibly be, but
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like he's got that emotional like roller coaster he gets,
you know, he gets into it with officials and he's
yelling and he's you know, I feel like Andy Reid's
got to put his hands on his shoulders sometimes and
be like, hey, I'm down, take a deep breath. Yeah,
and you know, like that's great. You can be that way.
Jaden doesn't seem that way, like up down, high low,
game winner.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
He's just kind of like he's just cool.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
He's just medium, as they say, and and that's fine.
Like I just I think, to me, to me, I
talk about it like all the time, the quarterback position.
When you get that right, it could be you're you
now are amazing marin aasauce over yesterday's pasta.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You cover up for all bad play calls.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Uh medium talent, miss block up front wide receiver, didn't
run a great route, it's all of a sudden, a
perfect throw.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Like he is that guy. He is everything you're looking
for at a quarterback that way. So so look out.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I mean, you want to talk about a guy that
can pull off an upset, Jayden Daniels is your guy.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So I got to ask you. I know, it's a
it's a week off but Baltimore without Jay Flowers. Wow, uh, Buffalo,
this is the most complete I would argue outside of
Detroit and Philly, and maybe along with them James Cook,
two tight ends, three receivers. You forget Amari Cooper's on
the team, a great left tackle, Josh Allen. I don't know,
(14:51):
I I I think Buffalo is the best team I've
seen in the AFC. What do you expect in that game?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I like Buffalo. I love the quarterback, I love the coach.
I love a lot about what they're doing offensively. I
don't like this matchup. I mean, the only good thing
I can say really is that this time around, this
game is in Buffalo. But if you go back and
watch that game September twenty ninth, Buffalo goes to Baltimore,
I mean that was a beat down. I mean it
wasn't even really competitive, and so like matchup wise, you know,
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I just really think that they're going to have their
hands full with the running game. You know, we're going
to talk about Derek Henry, we talk about Lamar. I
just think Todd Munkin in Baltimore. They're rolling right now.
A lot of times you'll hear coaches say this, Hey,
let's just get into the tournament and let's play our
best football at the at the right time. I think
that's what's happening for Baltimore right now. So quite honestly,
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this might be you know, the Super Bowl may happen
a few weeks whatever. This might be the best game though.
This might be the best game of the entire playoff.
Two of the top quarterbacks. I just think that run
game is going to be a real problem for Buffalo.
They have to have a different game plan than they
had the first time.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, Dereck Henry is the opposite of most great backs.
He wasn't great early in his career, but he's better
as an old running back. Usually running backs have like
six years of great and then they tail off. I
don't know what he I mean, it's it's some vitamin program,
but it is well.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It fits. It fits together because you have to.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
You have to decide are we gonna honor the naked
bootleg or are we gonna honor the zone read to
the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Or are we going to commit an extra guy to
Derrick Henry?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And if one guy misses, he's out the gate And
Todd Munkin's done a great job of having naked bootlegs
and plays off of it. Direct snap I candy smoking
mirrors to the quarterback running a jet suite. I mean,
it all fits together right now, and it's just headaches.
You can't play your normal NFL style defense against this offense.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Wow. Finally, I look, I look it over the landscape,
and almost every quarterback outside of Jared Goff that is
winning in this league moves. They all move. Mahomes moves,
Hurts moves, Jaden moves. It's I look at this pocket thing,
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and I think, well, Brady won a bunch and GoF
does have a great old line. But I'm watching Jaden
last night and I'm thinking to myself, is the pocket court?
I know you gotta throw from the pocket, but it
felt like all weekend the mobility was a huge factor
on third down for these teams. Do you feel like
as a pocket you could move, but as a pocket
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guy that the game's just changed and you have to
move to win the ring?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I would agree with you.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I think the movement, the quarterback movement was a major
factor this weekend. Big plays third down, fourth down, especially
fourth down this week I thought that was a real factor.
I would just say this though, I've heard that conversation
for years and years and years, and I heard it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
All throughout the playoffs, and you saw a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And at the end of the year, it was a
guy like Tom Brady or Nick Foles or somebody else,
you know, having the great year. Matt Ryan had an
MVP year. And so I don't think there's one way
to skin a cat that way. I think quarterback movement
keeps defensive coordinators up at night. You say, who would
you rather defend? They don't want to defend a guy
that can move around. But at the end of the day,
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it's the consistent delivering the ball on time, on the
proper shoulder to convert third downs to win in the
red area. I think that's that's probably the thing that's
been true over time. But there's no doubt the creativity
from the college game with these quarterbacks that can move
and then the scramble drills. If you ask any decordinator,
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they want none of that.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Finally, Jimmy Johnson yesterday suggested McCarthy to Pittsburgh, Tomlin to Dallas.
What do you make of that? It sounds fun, It's genius.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I mean, that'd be super fun.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
There's nobody more Pittsburgh that I've ever met than Mike McCarthy.
I mean that that dude loves Pittsburgh. But I just,
you know, I think Mike Tomlin's an awesome coach. I
think the talks of getting rid of Mike Tomlin are
kind of ridiculous. The only way I think that that
could work is if if Mike Tomlin wanted to wanted
to change his scenery for some reason. I think he's
a great coach. Changes need to need to happen, though,
(19:20):
Like the effort in the pursuit that I saw defensively
from from Pittsburgh yesterday, at times it looked like a
Pro Bowl defense, like, you know, just tagging off, standing
around the pile.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I just didn't recognize it.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Having gone against that team for many, many years, their
defense was just always relentless, always tough, physical, flying around
to the ball. You know, Like I used this quote
before on defense, your love for your teammate and for
what we're doing can be measured by how close you
are to the ball when the whistle blows.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And uh, you know, so I think that's got to
get fixed.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I think If Mike Tomlin wants to stay, he's earned
the right to be the guy to fix it.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Matt Hasselbeck, eighteen years in the NFL. Love having you
on on a Monday, Thanks buddy.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
All right, Sea going all right.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Of all the players that come on and have rooms
behind them, that's my favorite room. Even his room looks
organized behind him. Mike McCarthy is available on the market.
If I'm Chicago, I would offer him the job today.
If I was the Chicago Bears, I'd offer him the
job today. If I was the Pittsburgh Steelers who can't
get their run game or all line right, I would
offer Mike McCarthy the Steelers job today. Dallas, I think
(20:33):
I look at Dallas and I think they don't have
the personnel to match up with teams. So I may
go Ben Johnson. I'm gonna need somebody that can innovate
beyond my personnel. That's not really McCarthy. He's good, but
I think Dallas may need an innovator. I mean, he
can go to Dallas, but Dallas is personnel. And we've
been on this all year. I don't like their roster,
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don't love it.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Let me back up for a second, do the Bears
need to wait to see what happens with Tomlin?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Because I gotta be honest, I didn't. I thought the
smoke was I.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Would take McCarthy over Tomlin because I've got listen, Tomlin
can't figure out the Steelers old line. Job one in
Chicago has fix that old line. It's been terrible for
seven years. Coaches for the GM, well, Mike mcg andy,
Reid and Sean McVay. I've watched them fix an offensive
line and he.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Has a great GM. Come on, well, it is one
of the best in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, I'm just.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
We gotta stop comparing people to the Chiefs all weekend.
People are well, justin Herbert through four Pixie stinks. He's
not Patrick Mahomes yout.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
No bleep Sherlock.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
We know that.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Let's stop comparing teams to the chief eying lined up.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Here's what the Bears haven't had a lot of Super
Bowl winning coaches who get the most out of quarterbacks.
They don't do that very often. Have they had tough
defensive guys? Dave Wantstatt, Yeah, they've hadded defensive guys, and
I don't think the Bears job is just about maximizing
Caleb it. You know my rule in this game. Number
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one is get your quarterback. Chicago has it. Number two
is protect your quarterback. Your old line is an insurance policy.
And the Bears old line regressed significantly.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
This yay, So okay, Tomlin's not on the market.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
But if something crazy and dumb happens, so all things
being equal, Bears are cowboys.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Who has a better roster?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well Bears?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Okay, no quest do the Bears need? I know you
said offensive line, but don't they need a culture?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
This is twenty years.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
I don't know what the Chicago Bears are. They don't
have an identity and haven't for the longest time. Mike Tomlin, bringkay,
But Mike Tomlin, we know his record. He's strong, he
has he has tone deaf to offense.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yeah, when you got Mason Rudolph and Russell.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
His last five years with Big Ben, no playoffs, it.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Was kind of washt. He was always out of shape
and he.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Was in his last two years and they were a
bottom ten offense in Big Ben's last three years. You
got to fix that quarterback Carthy uh over Tomlin, listen,
that's you don't have to love Mike McCarthy. But here's
what Mike McCarthy has done. He has worked with Cooper Rush,
Dak Farv, Joe Montana, Everybody, Aaron Rodgers, and Prickly. He's
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had different personalities, different styles with quarterbacks. He's worked with
all of them, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
I don't think it's a coincidence. He has the most.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Medaling owner and no owner in.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Green Bay, and he worked with both, so he has
owner sort of bandwidth.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Tell your boy West who put that on a poll?
Who would you rather have in Chicago? Mike Tomlin or McCarthy.
I think that's fat well.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
But Tomlin's got that alpha thing and fans love in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
I mean a heartbeat and no justice. I like McCarthy.
I think I would take them with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Listen, the Chicago would probably hire Tomlin because they're still
celebrating the eighty five Bears. No, I'm not joking. Like
it's like everybody got a restaurant and a car dealership deal.
It's they love defense in Chicago. The world. Look at
your division, Kevin O'Connell, Matt Lafleur's. I mean it's like
you gotta score points in this division. You gotta score points.
(24:06):
You listen, It's just like if you're in a division
with Mahomes or Josh Allen. That's Bill Belichick was overwhelmed
by Josh Allen. Belichick he couldn't stop him. Bill, say
what you want about quarterback. Belichick could not stop Josh Allen.
Nobody's stopping Lamar Jackson consistently. You got to get that
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offense right, that O line right, get your quarterback, protect
your quarterback, and then draft guys who go get their quarterback.
If you just stay on that, you can find running backs,
receivers and corners.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Okay, so real quick, I know we gotta go to
break Jets.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
If McCarthy and Tomlin are both there, who should the
Jets go for?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
And again, Tomlin's not there. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers Again, well, I would go with
Tomlin with the Jets. He's a no nonsense with Aaron Rodgers.
Tomlin with the Jets is my choice. Tomlin with the
Cowboys could be fine. He would McCarthy to the Bears
or the Saints to me.
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Speaker 2 (25:27):
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Speaker 6 (25:33):
I don't think people get how fired up you are today.
Cow Herd is really he's got a lot of material.
Let's see what he has to say about the Patriots.
Hiring Mike Rabel as the sixteenth head coach in franchise history.
Happened over the weekend and he returns to New England,
where he was an integral part of three Super Bowl
championship teams, playing there for eight seasons.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I was wrong.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
I thought he was going to the Raiders, But a
nice job here by the Patriots to grab him. And
Rabel talked about what makes the Patriots special.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
The people, the history, and not that the banners that
hang in our stadium they're they're not going to help
us win, but I think it's a great reminder of
what it takes to win and the type of people
that you haven't have to have in the organization, the
selflessness that the work and the sacrifice that you have
to make.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
So to me, those are great reminders of what it takes.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think they're a playoff team. Next year I called
the Commanders, I called the Rams, last year the Vikings.
The year before Patriots make the playoffs. There's enough murky
chaos in that division. Keep your eye. You can get
better at wide receiver very quickly in this league.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Okay, I'll take a counter. I'll go opposite here. I'm
seeing in the notes.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Josh McDaniel's a definite possibility for offensive court.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
He's pretty good at that.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
It's almost like the Patriots are running their organization like
like like the Lakers have. Hey, we got to hire
a Lakers guide. We got to do we got to
keep it in house. Like there's this is almost more
of the same. They're like extending the Belichick legacy.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He he is the best coach on the market.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Based on what like I get it. He's high demand.
Everybody wants him.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Okay, what he got Ryan Tannehill. Go look at the
quarterbacks in the AFC. When he was getting Ryan Tannehill
to the AFC Championship and a number eed. Now he
lost also to Joe Burrow, but he was a number
one seed and they did not have a number one roster.
I first of all, at the end when they let
(27:34):
go of AJ Brown. The minute they let go of
A J. Brown, he was having trouble with people upstairs
the GM. Yeah, and when they lost A J. Brown,
Mike Rabel just you know what I mean, he knew.
Everybody in the world knew. Okay, it's old for that's
all they had offensively outside of Derrick Henry.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So I'm looking up his record here, Okay, Tennessee fifty
four and forty five, two or three in the playoffs.
Like I mean, he's been ahead coach six years. He
had the one awesome season where they were the number
one seed.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
He won the division.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Have you ever thought of the Titans spectacularly run, brilliantly owned.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
I don't know, No.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
So he had a nice run. And I'm not poo
pooing Brig. I think he's good. But this idea that
they're going to the playoff.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
He won fifty percent of his games with Marcus Mariota
and Ryan Tannehill. Marcus Mariota was like the second pick
in the draft and Will Levis Oh my bad, I
gotta throwing Will levit he didn't.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Okay, we should make this interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Do you want to? Yeah, I'll do it right now. Sorry,
playoff team next, Okay, I'll get you a big old
bag of Rhode Island oysters.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I do like oysters.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'm gonna I think they're gonna be you guys all left.
Houston did it, Chargers did it, Broncos did it, Commanders
did it. If Drake May, who you liked a lot,
you would have taken him number I liked.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I still like to Jamis No, but he's still good.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Oh okay, let me by the way, they got money
to do this.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
They got money.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
How about t Higgins to the Patriots? Maybe that would
that would be good. Who's coming out of the playoffs?
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Who's stepping down because you're putting them in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I think the Chiefs are gonna have a down year?
How about this? How about this? I don't even want
to answer that question.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Oh yeah, of course I don't have an answer yet.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
How about Steelers? Okay, the boom ate the test out,
Ryan whispered, got in my ear. Thank you Ryan on
the show? Has my back now? Getting doing a lot
more than hockey scores over there.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Oh boy, here we go. Next up is what are
we doing?
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Oh oh, they sold MVP stuff between Josh Allen and
Lamar Jackson, so both of them are battling for everything.
Now they will face off in the divisional round matchup
on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
It's the night game. It's it's great. I'm surprised. Look
at that line, Colin.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
You're seeing that money coming in since the line opened
all on the Ravens on the road.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, here's the here's the thing that is that really
makes you. Buffalo is gonna struggle with this run.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Game defensively in the front.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, it's this is not a great matchup. Now again
it's at the Bills and Josh Allen like a Jayden
Daniels can just be magical. I think this is a
stay away game for me.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I have not bet this.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
No, no, no to me. It's just like folks, when you
get two great organizations and two superstar quarterbacks, you can't
predict it. Now, if Dave Flowers doesn't play, I don't
love that. But I think they look okay without it. No, no,
but I again, that's Pittsburgh in this. I it's gonna
be hard for me to bet against Josh Allen at home.
(30:39):
Whoever wins this game, I'm totally happy. I do think
Buffalo matches up better against the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
There you go, That's what I was headed to him.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But the Buffalo matches up better with the Chiefs. They
already beat him in a week eleven.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
I did bet the other two games, but I'm leaning
bills here, but.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
I don't have I don't have a cent on this.
I mean, it's gonna be great. This is a great matchup.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Whoever can beat the Chiefs. That's why I want to win.
I'm so the Chiefs are waxing the Texans. Okay, that's
that's gonna be a bloodbath. Final story, Colin, Let's go
to the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Now.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Would you have a Raiders fan on staff? So he's
upset about this.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Deon Sanders is not going to be the next Raiders coach.
According to multiple reports.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Prime has expressed interest in the job, but Las Vegas
has quote zero interest in bringing deannaboard. Further reports indicate
Ben Johnson is their target. He had a Zoom interview Friday.
If Ben Johnson's their target, they're gonna be waiting maybe
until the Super Bowl or after it because the Lions
are looking good. Pete Carrol, the former USC Seahawks coach,
(31:41):
is scheduled to interview.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I don't think day Carroll's a bad call. There don't.
I don't know if it's the best call, but I
think Pete Carroll because you didn't get Rayble Brady couldn't
talk you into that. And I mean, you know, Tom
faced Pete Carroll in a Super Bowl, so he's seen
that Pete Carroll defense.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
They shoved out the GM because they have something here.
It's some kind of package deal.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Right.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
You don't wait a day then kick can the coach
and wait another day, then fire the GM.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
They got something cooked.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Up here, right.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I I don't think Dion. You've been on Dion to
the Raiders. I don't buy it. They've done the star coach,
they did John Gruden, They've done that thing. They've done
a dynasty coach. I would go. I think at this
point they're going to get a quarterback. I would probably
(32:31):
this is not a job i'd want. I'll probably go
with the whiz kid. I would probably try to get
the best offensive coordinator, try to get Liam Cohen from Tampa.
If you want to get Aaron Glenn, I think Aaron
Glenn's better than this job. But I could see handing
it over. If you're in a division with Sean Payton,
Jim Harbon, Andy Reid, you better get a clever offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
So I missed this.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
This is just a brick in handicapping who's going to
get the Raiders' job.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I had forgotten how bad.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
The Josh McDaniels experience was there, So I guess Mark
daniels was scarred by that.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
And he's like, I'm not doing Patriot wanning. So we
were off on that. I mean, I just totally missed.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
You.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Remember McDaniels was there and it just yeah, it didn't work.
What spiral quickly? And he doesn't want to do what
other Patriots got. Ben Johnson is obviously a hot name here.
Is there a college guy who gets you excited a Sark?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
If you will to Vegas?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
What about Ryan Day and Chip Kelly? Is a package
deal after they win the national championship.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
That's not terrible, that's interesting, Sark.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Listen, Sark's got the best college job, arguably in the country.
I'm not taking the Raiders job. Yeah, if you offered
me the Bears job that I'm interested in, if I'm sark,
that interests me. But I'm not going take it to me.
The Raiders is the worst job.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Worse than the Saints. Yep, stop, come.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
On, I got Saints have. The Benson family does not
run through coaches. They gave Dennis Allen an extra year
that I wouldn't have. Mickey Loomis is good.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
That's their judgment is cloudy.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
They don't have any cap space. But I I'll feel their.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Their rosters rut it right now.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
The man some of these they moved off Zach Bond
and they'd all pro with the Eagles, the guys everywhere,
like just some of these personal decisions. I don't love
what's going on with the Saints. I think people are
maybe sleeping on the Jags is a potential good job.
I would go Trevor Lawrence down. Balky obviously is.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I would not go there. Trent Balkey and Harball could
not get along. I don't like, you know, Harball was
doing too much winning for him.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
It's funny how all these have like major red flags.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Look at all those teams now they do They're bad teams,
bad organizations.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
There's a reason they have a job opening. H J
Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
The Rabel got the best job in my opinion, Mike McCarthy.
I think the Bears is the second best job I'd hire.
Mike McCarthy. Uh, Tomlin May. I just can't see Pittsburgh
making a move. Some thoughts on the Packers and a
a change in the NFL this weekend, and I think
it's pretty clear. Get ahead of it, not behind it.
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Speaker 1 (36:25):
John Baptiste is amazing.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Did I get his name right?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Oh? He's just incredible. Listen, green Bay lost. Take a
deep breath, not a terrible loss. We all thought Green
Bay was a year away and then you lose five
offensive performers in the game. You're not gonna win at
Philadelphia fumble the opening kickoff. The truth is about the
Green Bay Packers. They went oh and to six against
the Lions, Eagles, and Vikings. I lost perspective last year
(36:52):
when they rolled Dallas. I thought, all right, here we go.
But you know what happened the next week they lost
to San Francisco and Jordan Love had two picks. And
that's probably what they are. A quarterback that's young, ascending
and growing and a bunch of skill. Farv won a
Super Bowl in Green Bay in year five, Aaron won
it in year six, and Jordan Love just finished year five.
(37:13):
It's gonna be okay. They lost a couple of receivers
the offensive line. Philadelphia's O and D lines are better
to begin with. Forget losing guys. They got a great coach,
a really good young quarterback, tons of skill cap space.
They're fine. They used to call them yuppies when you
were young and upwardly mobile. That's what Green Bay is.
They've they've got space, they've got talent, they got skilled,
(37:36):
they got a good coach. But it was and you
could tell early it was just not their day and
here's Matt Lafleur after you.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Know, it's just right now.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Well, that's about that's about par for the night, right there.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, knocked over a water bottle. Packers are going to
be fine. Here's the other thing that for years and
years I said, o lines, quarterbacks, coaching, that's the cake
of a football team. Receivers are icing, and then receivers
got very hot. Receivers are back to being icing. Look
at who looks really good now, Buffalo, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore.
(38:20):
The top six rushing teams in the NFL all made
the playoffs. That's never happened before. Colin running back is dead. No.
The narrative is seven of the top wide receivers in
receptions missed the playoffs. Here's what wins in December and
(38:40):
January and early February. Physicality, controlling the clock, long drives
at the end of a game, when you have a lead,
third down, red zone scoring. All of those are about
the running back. It's only so much you can do
with a wide receiver at the three yard line. That's
when you need the running back. I mean, the Texans
(39:03):
smoke the Chargers without Tank Dell or Stefan Diggs. The
Bills are better without very talented Stefan Diggs. The Jets
didn't necessarily get great when Devonte Adams arrives, and I
like him, and receivers are important, but it's a coach
quarterback lead the run games. After the game, Lamar Jackson
(39:25):
was asked, what is it like to watch Dereck Henry run?
Speaker 10 (39:31):
It looked like a movie clip, Like you know when,
like I'm gonna give some cars. You watch the movie Cars,
you know when when lighton McQueen is flying flashing past,
and then it's like, that's how Derek look and all
those guys just it look.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It looks like a movie.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Bro.
Speaker 10 (39:47):
I'm not gonna lie to see you.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Let me give you four examples. The Raiders let Josh
Jacobs go how their season work, the Titans less, let
Dereck Henry go with Will Levis. He probably could have
used Derrick Henry how that work out? The Panthers a
few years ago, let Christian McCaffrey go how that work out?
(40:09):
And the Giants let Saquon Barkley walk to the Eagles, Raiders, Titans, Panthers, Giants.
By the way, I'll say this, Chargers could have used
a little Austin Eckler. I'm just saying running backs will
always have value. They are a quarterback, especially a young
(40:31):
quarterback's best friend. The things that win late in the
season when the weather gets crappy is not a vertical receiver.
Tyreek Hill in January. In December, I'm not interested.
Speaker 9 (40:43):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I'm interested in the Lions backfield, the Eagles backfield, Baltimore's backfield,
James Cook, Mean, Baltimore has been good for years. What changed?
James Cook in the red zone? Guy can smell the
end zone. He's got like red zone laser. Running Backs
(41:05):
are great. Don't ever believe running backs are going away.
They get hurt more, always going to have more value
than a receiver.
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