January 14, 2025 • 45 mins
Colin analyzes the Rams dominating win over the Vikings in the final game of the Wild Card Round and why Sean McVay has established himself as the 2nd best coach in the league after Andy Reid. He gives his latest Herd Hierarchy with a surprise team landing in the top spot. Plus, Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show to provide insight on Deion Sanders leaving Colorado to coach the Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Tuesday. What a week
we had last week? Not slowing down live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
We are packed today. Zach Ertz Nick right, Michael urbanstops
by j maacch it. We all know Andy Reid's the
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best coach in the league. But what Sean mcvah did
last night, Wow, that was a flex. Hope you followed
me on the Rams. I did follow you on the Rams,
my friend, you talked me into it. Dinner is on me.
So let's start today's show, The Easy Show, to do
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the Easy One. I'm not into easy is Sam Donald stinks? No,
he doesn't. He's closer to Baker Mayfield than Patrick Mahomes.
He doesn't stink. You don't do what he did this
year in stink. If you look at the stats last night,
first downs, oh Rams had fewer than Minnesota passing, first downs,
Minnesota third down efficiency, Vikings way better, total plays, rushing penalties,
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Vikings only had two. Rams had actually ten time of
possession Vikings, Vikings, Vikings, Vikings, Vikings. What I watched was
a coaching clinic. Brian Flores, who's really good, got worked.
The Rams first drive was seven plays, seventy yards touchdown.
As Greg Cosell noted, the Rams D line was going
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to be a problem for the Vikings O line. Kevin
O'Connell going for at midfield minute thirty left in the
first half. I thought felt desperate. This game was over
at half. It was twenty four to three. You could
argue it was over midway through the second quarter. All
on coaching. The Rams put on a clinic. Brian Flores
is great. First play of the game, twenty five yards.
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They're already in field goal position to Poka Nakouah. The
common theme this weekend is young quarterbacks that fell behind lost.
You know, justin Herbert lost and Sam Darnold lost and
Jordan Love lost and the only one that won was
Jayden Daniels and he needed a doink. What I watched
last night McVeigh proving once again, since Sean McVay arrived
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in Los Angeles, only the Kansas City Chiefs have more
playoff wins. And he did it with a run team
with Todd Gurley, a run scheme, and then he did
it with Cooper Cup and now he's doing it with
an older Matt Stafford and Pooka Nakuah, and he's actually
doing it with defense. This Rams defense, the rookies. The
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Rams have lead fell in rookie sacks, rookie fumble recoveries,
rookie pressures. The Rams do not miss on defensive draft picks.
They've missed on a couple offensive draft picks. But I'm
wat take Andy Reid out. If you're talking leadership, game management,
play design, culture building, it is almost unfair what the
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Rams have in Sean McVay. I mean, Phil Jackson's an
all time coach, but Phil Jackson was very clear, I
coach superstars. You guys do the rebuilds. McVeigh can do rebuilds,
he can do young stars. He can build a defense.
He can go run first, he can go pass happy.
It doesn't matter. You give him an off season. He'll
rebuild a team. He'll rebuild the Schememember a couple years ago,
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he went to Seattle for the opener in a rebuild year.
Pete Carroll didn't know what he was watching. I mean,
they literally came in with a completely different schemed run game.
And I'm looking at some of these Rams defensive stats
since Week fifteen, including the playoffs. The Rams lead the
entire NFL in sacks, and I don't know if they
can beat Philadelphia, but they match up with Philadelphia and
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they are a different team than the one that played
Philadelphia earlier this year. I said this for the last
three weeks, this young defense, about every three weeks you
look up and they're noticeably better. And I mean the
starters have only played four games. The last four games
the starters defensively have played for the Rams, they've allowed
under ten points in all four games. So there's only
a handful of quarterbacks that can beat the Rams, and
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Sam Darnold with this offensive line, is not one of them.
But we love to bury losers. I mean, that's what
media does right, you're a loser. We bury you. I
didn't think this game was about the Vikings. I thought
it was about a staff in Brian Flores and Kevin
O'Connell that we felt all year was an elite staff.
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Four drives into that game, three drives into that game.
It was a coaching this match. The Vikings could not
protect Darnald, who's always held to the too long for
the record. So did Big Band, and so did Joe Burrow,
so did Andrew Loock. Some guys like to hold it
a second longer because they're big play guys. They like
to throw the ball down the field. Not Dincon Duncan.
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But Sam didn't have a great night. But Josh Allen
could win that game with that protection. Lamar Jackson Maholmes
could win that game. Sam Darnold's not going to But
I said this weekend, we love to bury the losers.
I didn't blame the Packers for losing. I said yesterday
on the show, they're not as good as Philadelphia. They're
too young. Green Bay wasn't gonna win that game in Philadelphia.
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It was the one game I said going into the weekend,
my favorite bet was take Philadelphia they don't even have
to play well, and they didn't and they can win.
To me, this game was about Sean McVay. I mean,
think about this. Kyle Shanahan is considered a very good coach,
and I think that eight years, four times under five
hundred and he is very reliant and Shanahan's good. He
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is really reliant on Christian McCaffrey. Mcveigh's on nobody. Oh,
Jared Goff, now I got rid of him. Matt Stafford,
don't go run heavy. He's proven he can win and
proven he can get to a super Bowl. So he's
not reliant on any one thing. You give Sean McVay
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an offseason or an extra week like Andy Reid, and
it feels like a coaching mismatch against a Viking staff
that I think is one of the best staffs in
the league. The gap in preparation, the gap in game
planning in the first two to three drives of that
game was insane. Again, Barry Darnald Donald's closer to Bakerfield.
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Baker Mayfield, Okay, he had a great year. They're gonna
move on. They're gonna go to JJ McCarthy. That's the NFL.
If you have a bad couple of weeks at the
end of the year, coaches get fired, quarterbacks get demoted,
people hit the free agent market. That's always been the NFL.
You only have so many games. They're scarcity. It's not
the NBA or hockey or baseball. You're gonna have bad
julyes and you're gonna be okay if you're hitting in August, September,
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in October. That's not the NFL. You have a couple
of bad weeks, people move off you. But I McVeigh
was symphonic last night and numbers a game earlier this year.
Remember this game, Jmac when they played the Buffalo Bills,
And I came on the following day and I said,
I think that was the perfectly coached played game. The
best coach played game ball by any team all year
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was the Rams beating Buffalo. They were as flawless as
you can be against the great team that first half.
Nobody including the Chiefs, would have beaten the Rams in
the first half last night. I don't know how you
coached better or played better, or considering what's going on
in southern California, how you're more focused here. Sean mcvayh
after I thought.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
We had a great rush plan, and I thought, ultimately
it's always about the players bringing it to life and
having a real understanding of what we were trying to
get done, what was the intent. They have really played
excellent football as of late. They're peaking at the right time.
They're not showing any of that youth that you would think,
you know, as you play your eighteenth game in the
you know, in this season.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
But I'm proud of them.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
They came through in a big way and they were
instrumental in us being able to advance.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, game was over by the fourth series. Let's talk
Sam Donald and I know what you're all saying, Colling,
you love Sam Donald. I do, but I kept saying
all year, when's the shoe gonna drop? I know Sam's reckless.
I watched them in college, I watched them in the pros.
But he was having like an MVP level season. And
it happens. We've seen quarterbacks like this, Ken O'Brien, rich Gannon,
whatever it is. Guys have unbelievable, remarkable seasons, but the
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truth always comes out. Sam Donald actually had a very
Dak Prescott like season, won a lot of games. Everybody
likes him, players rally around him, coaches love coaching him.
Wins a lot of games, and then he faces elite
competition and it doesn't look the same. So Sam Donald
was zero to four against the Rams and the Lions,
and he was eleven to zero against everybody else. And
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the good news for Sam Donald is most everybody in
the league is everybody else. There is one Sean mcvahan Stafford.
There is one Detroit Lion offensive line. So Sam Darnald,
like Dak Prescott, you put up an eighty eight mile
hour fastball, He's going to hit it out of the park.
He's got trouble hitting Kershawn his Primes curveball. He's not
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gonna beat the great teams unless he's got really good protection,
a perfect game plan. So ninety percent of the league
isn't this Rams team or the Lions, or the Bills
or Patrick Mahome. The key is, then don't pay him
like Josh Allen. Tampa got it right. They paid Baker
the contract that Sam should now get. The Cowboys screwed
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it up. They paid Dak the contract because I think
that Dak Baker and Sam is kind of the same guy.
Productive players like him, you can build a little bit
around them, but they're reckless, a little bit sloppy. They're
not going to elevate the team as much as the
team is going to protect them. But they can make plays.
But the key is Tampa and the next team that
pays Donald can't them like Mahomes. And that's what the
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Cowboys did. They got a Baker and a Donald and
they paid him like Josh Allen Lamar Jackson. So they're
gonna go now with JJ McCarthy and they're gonna give
the young kid a shot. And Sam is absolutely gonna
have a market. I don't know where he's gonna go,
but Baker Mayfield had a market, held Gino Smith at
a market. Old Tom Brady and Kirk Cousins had a market.
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But Sam season, let's not take away from it. It
was remarkable. It was a great season. It was a
fun season. This team was picked to finish fourth, and
I don't put it all on Sam. Last night, young
quarterbacks Jordan love Sam Donald, Justin Herbert still pretty young,
that fell behind or could not get protect Texans. I
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mean the Chargers couldn't protect Justin Herbert, the Vikings couldn't
protect Sam Darnold. Baker Mayfield should have won that game.
But you know, Jayden Daniels is remarkable. This is what
happens in the playoff. Jordan Love got behind, got a
little reckless trying to make plays. There is no tomorrow.
So Sam's gonna be fine. He deserves a Baker Mayfield contract.
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You can kind of build around him, but that's not
confuse it for what it is. And here's Kevin O'Connell
after what.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
He was able to do this year when not very
many people thought he would be able to lead a
team to fourteen wins. I'm very rare for a quarterback
in their first year. And I think Sam would be
the first one to tell you could he have played
better tonight? I'm sure he would tell you that he
could have. Could I have coached better? I promise you
I could have. Could our team have rallied around, you know,
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a play here or there to try to keep that
thing competitive?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And I you know, I said Sam Darnold. He was
zero and four against the Rams and the Lions, but
he was actually like fourteen to zero against everybody else.
Sam was perfect except against the great teams. And you
know who beats the great teams. Not many quarterbacks four
maybe in the league. I mean, as good as Stafford
and McVeigh are, They're gonna go to Philadelphia be an underdog,
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probably not play as perfectly as they did last night.
Philadelphia played poorly, so everybody now is doubting them. Yet
they played poorly and being a good packer team. So
Philadelphia now go stays home cold Weather Rams play a
perfect game. It is hard to beat great in this league.
And Sam faced great last night. A great pass rush,
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a great young defense, a great coach, great efficiency. Bye,
Matt Stafford, Sam's not gonna beat that without online all right,
j Mack. Cowboys may have a coach and it's and
it's from the college ranks.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Stop it.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
You can't even say it with a straight face. But
in all seriousness, for Darnald, everybody going on to pile
on him last night on social media, I thought it
was a little excessive. All of a sudden, he was
an MVP candidate for what fifteen weeks, and now he's
a total bum who's not going to get paid by anybody.
He's still gonna have a market in the off season.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Of course.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
It's like people just don't understand football or front offices.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Kurt Adoss, Kirk Cousins, who's not nearly as dynamic as Sam,
doesn't have Sam's arm, doesn't have Sam's playmaking, was older
and coming off of surgery, had a market. In fact,
even his cousins this year looked washed. I think you
and I have said this. He still has a market.
Aaron Rodgers is not close to what he was six
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years ago. His season was a disaster. Aaron Rodgers has
a market. The key is front offices have to pay
the right number. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers got it right
with Baker. It doesn't limit what they can do. The
Cowboys didn't. They paid Dak and Dak and Baker. I
think Baker's more talented than Dak. They're very close. I mean,
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Baker's more reckless, but a little bit more talented. Dak
is less reckless, but he's got a lower ceiling. One
got paid like Mahomes and one got paid like a
B to B plus quarterback. So Donald's in that B
to B plus stuff. If he gets some support, you
can't pay him like an A. Now, we thought for
a big chunk of the season, like Week ten through
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Week sixteen, were like, you gotta pay. But this is
how the NFL works. Because of the scarcity of games
and because there's one game a week and in the
playoffs their standalone games. There's a lot of pressure from
owners and executives. You gotta hit it in the big games.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Now, I will say I believe in brock Purty a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I like him.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
You know that I'm team brock Party Colin. If he
holds firm, I want sixty million.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I'm not.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I would take Sam.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Donald at thirty million over brock Purty six. I'm sorry,
I would and forty nine ers fins. You tell them
that and they're like.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You're out of your mind. Rock Party.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I don't think they grasped like double the He's not
double the player Sam Donald is.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You have to remember you can overpay a right tackle,
you can overpay a linebacker, but when you're over paying
a quarterback and he is gobbling up twenty one percent
of your salary cap. There are certain things in life
that you can't make a mistake. On the day to
day all of us make mistakes. I make fifteen a day.
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But there are certain things, like the safety of your children,
that you can't make a mistake on and like in
the NFL, not perfectly analogous, but you can make mistakes
on a slot corner and overpaying him. It's not going
to destroy your salary cap. You cannot make a mistake
at quarterback. It's just there's too much money involved, that's
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too big of a cap percentage.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
And I'll remind people Sam Donald won fourteen games with
the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell. You don't think he can
duplicate that or come close to it with Kyleseyna.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I mean, I mean, I will say this, Sam Darnold
to the Raiders, if the Raiders got an offensive coach
and Johnson, I think he would be very, very interesting.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
But you know it's like with Shane Steichen. Maybe does
that do anything for you? If Anthony Richardson's not their guy?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And oh, I I'll just tell you right now. I'll
tell you right now. Sam Darnold to the Colts is
the play Vikings don't want to face Sam again and
roll the dice on. He's better than McCarthy. Get Sam
to the AFC where you don't have to play him.
JJ McCarthy may be better. I would rather Sam not
prove me wrong. So if you can always get a guy,
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Belichick will give up Garoppolo. Let's just send him over
to San Francisco. I always understand that even if you
don't love a guy, if you think there's a little
bit in the back of our head because they don't
know what JJ McCarthy is, you don't know what he is.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
You're the only ones who have a clue. Though they
see him every day. They do the work ethic.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
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Speaker 1 (16:46):
App heard Hierarchy time.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
Number TAD.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Cincinnati Bengals. Sorry, they beat the Broncos and the Pittsburgh
Steelers that made the playoffs, and they beat the breaks
off of Green Bay. Right now, they're a good football team.
Joe Burrow is on fire five game winning streak. He
completed seventy seven percent of his throws, thirteen tds, four picks,
and a one to eleven passer rating. That's just sometimes
the way it works. You get hot too late. Cincinnati
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is a top ten team in the league. Let me
tell you who Kansas City, Buffalo and Baltimore didn't want
to make the playoffs. Cincinnati they were fine with bow Knicks.
They were fine with Justin Herbert, CJ. Stroud and don't
want bow Nicks anywhere near the playoffs. Cincinnati at ten,
number nine, Minnesota, Yeah they listen. They're like a really
good student who got a D in their last couple
of test scores doesn't make him a bad student. Top
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ten scoring offense, top five defense. They got out coached
last night, and they're not as good as Detroit and frankly,
the Rams Young defense is a site to behold. But
I have the Vikings at nine, number eight, the inconsistent
Houston Texans. Now they're only two and five against playoff
teams and they're going to go to Kansas City. It's
going to be cold and they're gonna get smoked. They're
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nine to zero when holding opponents to twenty points or fewer.
In Kansas City's getting better on offense, so that's not
gonna happen. I think there's still a year away. I
think Denver's a year away. I think Green Bay's a
year away. I do think c J. Stroud's a different
quarterback on the road than at home. We told you
that going into the Chargers game, ce J Stroud cold
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weather on the road, their season will end Number seven Commanders,
no punts or turnovers against the Bucks. I don't know
if I like the team or I'm in love with
Jayden Daniels. I mean the kids, just honest to God,
there's about sixty percent Mahomes, sixty percent Lamar Jackson. It's
the best rookie I've ever seen, next to Andrew Luck.
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Six game winning streak. Each of their last five games
have been decided on the last play from scrimmage. You
can't do that forever. That's just too emotional, too wild.
I think they'll lose, but they deserve a ton of respect.
How would you like to be Washington for the next
ten years with Jayden Daniels in cap space? Sign me
up now. Number six. Number six is the Rams played
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a perfect game in the first half last night, but
they were not good on third down and their offense
can be really sluggish in the first half. Listen, they're
really good, not great, but they're fifteen and five when
they have Stafford and Puka and Cup and Kyron Williams.
Kiraen Williams got dinged up last night, cross your fingers,
and they're seven to one. When they score twenty one
plus their offense gets stuck though, and it happens kind
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of regularly where their offense gets stuck. But if you
give mcveaig or Andy Reid extra time, good night. And
I thought this this defense is no joke. In the
first four weeks of the year, they had eight sacks
at eight sacks last night. This defense is Jared Verse
is unblockable. This kid right here jumping into the end zone.
So the Rams are a young defense that about every
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three weeks you look up and they're noticeably better. I
have the Rams at number six, number five Philadelphia. I
don't know if I don't think they can win the
Super Bowl. Yes, they're thirteen. In one of the last
fourteen games, they were two for eleven on third down.
Jalen Hurts went nearly two full quarters without a completion,
and I don't love the head coach. I do think
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they'll beat the Rams because the Rams played perfect and
now go outdoors to cold weather and Philadelphia played poorly
and still won. They have the best roster in the NFL.
But I mean Saquon Barkley is the leader of this team.
It's not the quarterback, it's not the coach. This is
the one team to me, Like you can like Derrick Henry,
but I get Lamar and John Harbaugh. Saquon Barkley leads
this team. That's the guy in the old line that
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I trust. Number four, Listen, the Ravens are good. Boy.
They are really dependent on Derrick Henry and Lamar and
that would concern me. Three drives of eighty five plus yards.
You know what I feel about Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
They're one in five against the Chiefs and they beat
everybody else. So I don't think this team would beat
Kansas City if they hadn't play him an arrowhead. I
just don't think they would because I think Kansas City
is better defensively and I think Baltimore is getting better
on the defensive side. They held opponents under twenty points
in five straight games. So that's what good coaching staffs
do and good general managers do. Baltimore had a flaw,
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and they're now better at the flaw. Kansas City wasn't
very good on offense early, and now Kansas City is
better on offense. That's what good organizations do. So they've
cleaned up the mess on defense. I have them there
at what do I have the Ravens at four? Number three,
Detroit Lions, second best roster in football off of by
hosting the Commanders. They struggle against multile quarterbacks, which is
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not a good thing to struggle against. In twenty twenty
five in the NFL, six and two against playoff teams,
Dan Campbell has a culture of relentlessness. Guys play hurt.
Jared Goff. For all you Jared Goff critics, this should
be a calling was really right for the next ten years.
Jared Goff on third and fourth down this year eighteen touchdowns,
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no picks. Best o line in football.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Number two, number what? Number two?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Number two Kansas City Listen, worst point differential in the
history of the league for a team that's as good
as them. I know they had to buy, and I
know they'll be good, and I know they'll beat the
brakes off of Houston. And they are getting stronger late
with their musical chairs on the offensive line in Hollywood
Brown And they are seven and two against current playoff
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teams and twenty one and two. But aesthetics matter and
data matters. And my number one team in the league
number on, it's Buffalo. There's never been a team in
pro football that had thirty passing touchdowns and over thirty
rushing touchdowns. Not only do they win at home, all
but one home game was a blowout seven win by
twenty points. I think this offense is incredible. Left tackle
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right now, the best remaining in the playoffs. Quarterback, most
talented remaining in the playoffs, James Cook, Top five running back,
two good tight ends, three capable receivers. They are not
as good as Kansasity defensively, there is no question, and
maybe they don't match up with Baltimore defensively, but this
team right now is so good offensively, left tackle, quarterback, weapons,
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run game. I have them number one by an inch.
I think this is the year. I think this is
the best version of Buffalo. Hey, these are tough decisions, folks.
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Speaker 1 (24:32):
And with that, one of our favorite guests, the playmaker
Michael Irvin, the very well connected Michael Irvis, is joining us.
So we've got things to talk about last night as
we're getting ready for the game, Jerry makes sure Dion
and the Cowboys makes the wire, makes the news. So
let's talk about that. You have a relationship with Dion Sanders.
(24:54):
He has been very loyal. It's been brief, but he
loves Colorado, the Cowboy hatt. He feels the part you
told me a month and a half ago. He would
listen listen to Jerry Jones. Yes, is he now listening
more to Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Well, you guys now know that he has.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
He and Jerry has had conversations, which I am so
happy now to put that out and the ether and
you guys finding that out.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yes, they are having conversations.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
When I talked to Dion last night and this morning,
when I was talking to him, he was real real,
telling me real carefully.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Now listen, it's all we can talk about. It's all
we can talk about. Is that. Yeah, It's all I
just say is that they are talking.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
I love when he tells me things like that, really
be careful because that things.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
That means things are moving in a.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Way that we can't just openly talk like we used
to openly talk.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I can't get out here, run my mouth like I
need to.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
I want to you know what I'm saying, So I
don't want to mess anything up, so I make sure
I leave it right there. He said, that's all we
can talk about right now that I've had conversations.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
And that is mana from heaven. When he tells me
that now, manna from heaven.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
He had said a couple of years ago when asked
about the NFL, he said, I'd have a hard time
paying a guy money and he doesn't care because I
care college kids. I know, you know, we'll cut him
on a scholarship. You get stuck with NFL guys. Well
that hasn't changed.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
No, no, But but what you do know though, is
we talk about and we talk about Dion's great ways
with young men. These are young men in the NFL.
You know, we're in college, we consider to be kids,
but these are still young men going through a lot
of issues, dealing with a lot of issues. And this
is what Dion separates from all of the exes that
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OWDs coaches because he is a true mentor. He's a
true mentor that's coaching, and the other coaches are coaching
and they're forced the mentor.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
They're forced the mentor.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
So when we talk about coaching, his job is to
bring the best out of the player. These guys are
making a lot of money. Travis Hunter, he brought the
best out of Travis Hunter. And Travis Hunter had all
kinds of opportunity to make money. He didn't think about
those things. He thought about bringing the best up out
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of him. He didn't take all the nil money.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
He followed.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Dion went Deon w Jackson, and he went to then
he went to Colorado and now he's living his best life.
That's what Deon would do for all the NFL players too.
Let's help you get to your best life. And it's
not just about making money. It's about making the right decisions.
It's about taking care of your family. It's about you
and everything that you're doing. That's what he's great at
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and that'll bring the best football out of you.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Now, Deon's had a remarkable American life from from the
fastest college player to a best cornerback of all time,
to broadcaster a lot of spirituality in there, then to
coaching small, bigger coaching. If he could end up Dallas Cowboys,
it really is an amazing American life.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Now, I will say you say all of that, Colin,
But but, and it is an amazing life. But it
has been met with great wins against him in w
I and d Wind. I mean, you know, people, it's
not okay, he's a hell of an athlete. But everywhere
this man goes, Now, everywhere this man goes. When he
went to Jackson, it won't work out there. Oh no,
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he turned that around. Then went to Colorado. Oh boy,
you'll see when you get the big town football it's different.
Oh but he turned that around. And here we come
again with the same doubt with Dion. Well what could
he do in Dallas? I sell people everywhere this man
has set his foot in the sand. He leaves a
footprint of greatness. So Dallas needs to get on board
with that, and I hope they do. I gotta I
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can't say much about that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
By the way, you have a relationship you and Aikman
have a relationship with Jerry that is different than a
lot of people. And can I ask Jerry who now
does acting? He's pretty good on land man, Yes, he's
pretty good showman. Do you has Jerry called you recently
just to chat about this?
Speaker 7 (29:06):
I talked with Jerry when we were at fight and
we're somewhere else. So yeah, I was at his house.
We had an event in its place. So yeah, we
talked in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, okay, all right, I look, let's talk about the
future of Dallas.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Back up, let's back up too, all right, like Troy
and I heard.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
De Troy comments, and you know, I love Troy. I
love Troy to death, and it's to life. I better
say the lifeus. Deanna called me.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
On that is it? Is it a coveted job?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
That's what I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I don't know if it is Philadelphia's roster Jayden Daniels
ninety million cap space. I don't know if it's a
coveted job. I'm not saying it's Colorado state.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
We got to stop.
Speaker 9 (29:44):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Prove it to me easily, easily. How many how many
coaches out here coaching?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
What a couple?
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Hundred thousand co co coaching all the way, college, high school.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Hundred towns coaching.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Oh no, no, no, fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Max head coaches, they everything, even fifty thousand.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
They're only thirty two jobs in the National Football and
thirty to each one of those jobs going to pay
you above knowing to somewhere six seven million dollars a year.
How how do I fix this radio on my face
to say something like what I say?
Speaker 4 (30:17):
It like what he said? I love them?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
But how do you fix the radio on your face
to sing a song like It's not a covety job.
It's the Dallas Cowboys. They're only thirty two of them
in this.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Whole wide world.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
And you're talking about a fifty thousand max. We're talking
about nine United States that coach is all over the
world that probably wants to come and coach if they
knew how to coach nation the Football League. Let's stop
saying stuff like this. Let's stop saying this is what
you call it, purplely, it's the perfluous words that you're
just throwing out here to sound like something, but it's
not true. It has no truth to it. This is
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a coveny job. All thirty two of them are coveted
jobs in this country and mostly probably in this world.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
So that right there is not right to even say that.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Now the Cowboys is as covenant as any other team
in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Now, I know Jerry's your friend. I know he's your friend.
So what I'm gonna say right here.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Troy is my friend, a lot of friends, but I
can't lie. I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I would say this Jerry is That's why he's so
good on land Man. He's a performer, he loves the media.
There are those in the NFL that say, well, you
had Jimmy and Parcels and basically you ran them off.
I think what Troy was saying is no, it's a job.
But it does sort of feel like you got to
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answer a lot of questions about Jerry's recent radio report.
Doesn't that get in the way a little?
Speaker 7 (31:44):
No? No, not if you're doing your job. I don't
care what Jerry says. I'm winning football games. I'm doing
my job. You could do what he say whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Who cares.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
I'm doing my job and this is what I'm saying. Guys,
the owner talks. My issue is is that that why
we so hard on Jerry because he talks and does
radio interviews. What's the separation between Jerry and the Rooney's.
What's the separation. I keep bringing this up and nobody
tells me anything. I'm almost getting afraid to bring it
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up now because the Rooneys must have something on everybody.
I don't know what's going on, but the Rooney's run
all of the organization in Pittsburgh and and they haven't
given Mike Tumblin what he wants. But we want to
run Mike Tumblin out. But when it comes to the Cowboys,
it's it's it's all Jerry's fault. Any failure or any
not seed succeeding, it's all Jerry's fault.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Everywhere else is just the coach. It's in Pittsburgh, it's
just a coach.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
Nobody's put anything on the Rooneys in Pittsburgh, and they
haven't found a quarterback in one hundred years one hundred.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But Jerry's different. He is a different owner. He does
radio hits, he talks after the game's right, He's ah,
how many owners would go on land Man and look
like an actor?
Speaker 7 (32:58):
But does that mean because Jerry's on an interview that
is not a covenant job?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Can we take it that far?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Can we say that does that mean because Jerry's doing
interview that he hasn't done a good job when he
gave you twelve and five talent every year over the
last three years. So come on, I don't mind you're
not liking him. I don't mind, I don't want it.
I understand all that a lot of people don't know him,
but a lot of people don't like him, and that's
why this stuff perpetuates itself so much. I'm just saying, man,
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let's look at the reality and measure the reality and
stop having these crazy conversations about this is not a
covenant job.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Okay, yes it is.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I'm gonna throw something. I'm interested in your answer for this.
So years ago I went to a therapist. I don't
do it a lot, but I went to a therapist.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
The best thing will.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And so my wife and I were arguing about something
and the therapist said to me, he goes, you have
a different brain than your wife. She's an artist. You're
more accountant. And we don't argue with this.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Said sees colors, you see shapes. So when you criticize
her for this, she sees the world differently than you.
And then uh. And so I shared this with my
wife and she said, yeah, I'm smarter than you. Get
over it. The point being it didn't change the way
I view I'm always thinking I see the world in
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squares and circles, she sees it and shades of lavender.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
So AJ, you got to come to her and said, okay,
when you say something, say okay, how did you how
did you receive that's right?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
How did you receive?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
A Brown is reading a book on the sidelines that
made you happy? Yeah, okay, See my brain works differently. Well,
how what did you see?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Because AJ is me?
Speaker 7 (34:46):
Me and AJ we are like I had to learn
when I left football. Of course, some mistakes and the
steps in football. So I said to myself, You're not
canting any more touchdowns. Let's figure out we have some
of the situations we have. You know, I gotta.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Figure this out.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
And I was reading and trying to study and learn
more about me brand upon this book. It's a great
book called Edison Jean The Gift of the ad HG Child.
And in this book they're talking about what A J.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Brown?
Speaker 7 (35:15):
What AJ Brown was doing here. What he's doing is
trying to calm what you call his reptilian brain. Anytime
anyone in the third trimester of a mother's pregnancy, if
she's stressed in any way, Curtisol's released to the brain
of the baby, telling the baby to prepare for a
flight of fight environment, because that's what before yes, moms,
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so so his reptilian brain kind of get a little stuck.
He's more apt to fight than reason. Like me, I'm
more after fight you you confront me, than reason with you.
And it serves me great on the football field. But
when I'm driving down the street and somebody says I
have to figure out, I had to say, you know,
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the book could tell you. The book could tell you
knowing that you're like this. It's seventy five percent of
just it's how you Winny.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You see yourself and aj Brown.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Oh absolutely, oh absolutely. That's why when everybody said what
are you doing here for? I said, man, it's totally focused.
This is totally folks. I'm focused on my energy being
good energy for the team, and I'm going to focus
on me, and I know I can't let this situation
take over me.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I understand it because he and I are the same.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I understand what he was doing.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Right there, and I think all of us, a lot
of receivers need to learn it and even do this
right here what he's doing, because it really is brilliant.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
They got through the game and.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
He was out there joking when Saquon didn't go all
the way and run, you know.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
What I mean.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
So he put him back in the right frame of mind.
Even though we only got one pass. I don't know
if the book could have helped me with one pass
in the playoff game, but it helped.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Him out, and that's good. That's good. I don't know
I would have been said, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It's funny about that. I'll share something with the audience.
I had lunch with rich Eisen a couple months ago
and we were talking, that's my man too. Yeah, and
I said, we we had great affection for you, and
we said, you know, and you've had some missteps in life,
haven't we. All Yours have been more public and uh
and and our take was you're a curious person, You're great,
you have great empathy. Uh and And we both shared
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kind of the same stories that we had such great
feelings for you because you acknowledged stuff, you admit stuff.
You're imperfect, but you're you're you, you always you always
come back to Michael at your heart. And I think
what you're saying now, you're addressing this with a j Brown.
I love that you're saying, guys, this is me, and
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everybody learns differently, everything lands differently. That's the there I'm not.
I don't want to board the audience, but now.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
I can't take You can't take that side of me
without realizing this is side of me, and I'm working
on this side of me.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Let me get this book out and worked through me.
You see what I mean. And that's just a difference.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay. I'm watching the Rams last night, and there are
times you had one with Jimmy Johnson. Very few players
get an all time great coach. You had Jimmy Johnson,
And I'm watching McVeigh last night. He's got Shanahan's brain,
He's got Jimmy Johnson's understanding of personnel, he's got Andy
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Reid's play design, he's got Dan Campbell's ability to give
you big alpha energy. I didn't see a game. I
saw a little bit of a coaching mismatch last night.
How is McVeigh viewed around the league?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
And I'm with you on this.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
I think McVey is an incredible coach, an incredible coach
even the year they won that Super Bowl. To have
that kind of talent on that team and not have
any kind of situations from that team was incredible. That
means he managed all of those personalities. Yeah, there's a
lot of personal.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Now he's got the crisis, the tragedy in southern California
around his facility.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
And he puts it right in and used it. He
uses it. He doesn't run away from it. He says
to you guys, hey, let's give our people back home
something to get away from the mess they're dealing with.
Let's make some great ness out of that great mess,
you know, and get let's get that. Let's try to
ride this. Every team this time of the year tries
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to find that hook.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yes, that hooks.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Them in, Like, that's why we always call it what
gets the world?
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Ain't nobody said nothing to what you mean. They just
start saying that, you guys are undefeated right now, who's
against you? But we always come up with these montres.
You're looking for a hook, you're looking for the hook,
and this disaster has given the Rams when and they
played like it was a hook, like we're going to
give these people some relief from what to what they've
been dealing with. And they, boy, they they laid it
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out on the vikings last night with them nine sacks.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I mean they played well.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
So when you were a cowboy, the coach and the
quarterback were the centerpiece of the team and then you
and Emmett were viewed as the weaponry. But it it's
a very quarterback strong coach and quarterback personality. Philadelphia is interesting.
I don't trust the coach. I think the center of
the team is Saquon Barkley. I think the center of
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the team is the old line. And I don't know
if you can win a super Bowl in twenty twenty five.
And that's not a knock on Jalen Hurts. I like him,
but he's not Lamar Mahomes statistically, he's not golf, he's
not Josh Allen. I don't think he's Stafford from the pocket.
What do you make of a Philadelphia team where the
coach is yelling at fans, where the quarterback is kind
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of inconsistent? Can you win a super Bowl with that?
Speaker 7 (40:37):
I love that analogy that you just laid out and
how you tracked it. You know, when you talk about
the solidness of this team, I think Jalen Hurts is
a great leader, a great leader, but Saquon has brung
something different.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
It's totally different.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
And let me tell you and us just talking about
Jalen I mean Ajed Brown on the sideline reading a book,
and then him in Devontae smith Man, why did.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
You keep running with go go go with the ball?
Speaker 7 (41:04):
I would have said, keep running, go down on the
one yard line if you're going to go play right.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Why you love it? You know why you love it?
Let me tell you why you love it. Let me
tell you why I think you love it.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
Because it just said to all of Philadelphia, hey.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
I'm totally not selfish.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
Any other running back would have gone and got the
rest of those yards before he sat down, because that's
part of the great season you've had.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
You had a two thousand yard rushing season. You're gonna
have one hundred and something.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Do you know how cognitively quick you have to be
as a running back? The last guy in football you
can hit from any angle. That Sakwan Barkley, who didn't
play the last week and could have set the record,
so you could have that animosity, you break free to
seal it. And he is so in the moment that
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he said, no, it's about us, not me.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
I gotta talk about that. Get in there.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
The ability in the moment to go almost sit down
right here. I was just like, Oh, that dude's that
dude's going on thousand miles an hour right.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Now, Colin. Let me tell you how I saw it.
I said, oh, wow, two things of that boy. That's
great because I saw Davante and and and aj Brown.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
What do you keep going? Keep going? Keep going?
Speaker 7 (42:15):
So he's showing them something here, showing them Hey, man,
it ain't even about them numbers.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
It's about us getting the championship. And I love that
part of it.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
I did not like the interview afterwards when he said, oh, well,
you know, there are things that could have happened.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
I could have pulled the hamstrings up.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
I said, oh god, it here because I want That's
why I wanted him to get the record last week
or the end of the week end of the season,
because I wanted him to exercise that demon in his career.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
What's been the demon in his career? It's been injuries.
Speaker 7 (42:47):
And if you go past and said I'm going to
get this record, I'm not going to let that demon
make me afraid to go and get the record. I
believe that demon also made him afraid to continue running.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Why he fell down.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Now he was gonna fall down on the one, but
let's go get those other sixty yards.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
He has to deal with that.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
But the lesson he gave aj Brown and Devontae Smill,
that was a great lesson. But he has to deal
with that in his own mind. I'm so good at
this people, That's what I do because it's real. These guys.
I've dealt with it, and I had to study it
because I had to calm my black butt down. I
was crazy. You gotta study these things. Don't just study
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what you do. Go learn why you did it. Don't
just hear what people say. Understand how they think. That's
how you win in life.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Okay, when's the last time beyond? And you text each other?
Could you give us the time on that this morning?
Speaker 4 (43:42):
This morning, this morning? Yeah, of course, as much for.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
The audience that just tuned in. He said to you, what, well.
Speaker 7 (43:49):
I can only tell you so much and you can't
be telling the world everything is what he said to me,
and that's why I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
To find this line right here. But they are, but
they are talking, and to me, that's heaven.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I'm in.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
I'm enjoyed because I talked about this yesterday with.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
With with Keishawn and Joy and of course Paul on
speak and they were talking about, well, what's the.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Plan with Jerry.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
Jerry was going in trying to make it work with
Mike McCarthy, but they couldn't agree on the years. I said, oh,
that's great, and so now before Jerry let you guys
win and talk like he didn't have a plan, he'll
go out. This'll make him go go and do something
differently and more drastic because he I've heard him said
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many times, I've always come out on top when forced
to do something or make a hard decision. It always
worked out, and this time would be the same thing.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
I really do believe that. So all of Mike McCarthy
fall out.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
And Jerry wanted them and didn't get him a push,
this billionaire to go do something that he probably wouldn't
have normally done, like a hire of Don Sanders or
something like that. So I'm I'm excited to see what
plays out. I'm gonna try to keep these these big
old lips I got closed. Like Don asked, but it's
a hard task. He understood it. He understood.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
He know it's as.
Speaker 7 (45:10):
Hard because because I'm excited too, So I gotta control myself.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Michael Irving the playmaker as always, my friend, and I.
Speaker 7 (45:18):
Love you too, buddy, You're my mad I'm so happy
right now, y'all because we're gonna have a good offseason.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
It gives us hope again.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
When I say I'm happy, I'm not happy about any
man getting fired, but just happy about new direction and
what's happening and what's going to happen. Yeah, all right,
we're about to be in prime time I mean football games.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
You don't know what I mean. Let me leave that alone.
I get in trouble
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Here we go. It is a Tuesday. What a week
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It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
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We are packed today. Zach Ertz Nick right, Michael urbanstops
by j maacch it. We all know Andy Reid's the
(00:50):
best coach in the league. But what Sean mcvah did
last night, Wow, that was a flex. Hope you followed
me on the Rams. I did follow you on the Rams,
my friend, you talked me into it. Dinner is on me.
So let's start today's show, The Easy Show, to do
(01:10):
the Easy One. I'm not into easy is Sam Donald stinks? No,
he doesn't. He's closer to Baker Mayfield than Patrick Mahomes.
He doesn't stink. You don't do what he did this
year in stink. If you look at the stats last night,
first downs, oh Rams had fewer than Minnesota passing, first downs,
Minnesota third down efficiency, Vikings way better, total plays, rushing penalties,
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Vikings only had two. Rams had actually ten time of
possession Vikings, Vikings, Vikings, Vikings, Vikings. What I watched was
a coaching clinic. Brian Flores, who's really good, got worked.
The Rams first drive was seven plays, seventy yards touchdown.
As Greg Cosell noted, the Rams D line was going
(01:55):
to be a problem for the Vikings O line. Kevin
O'Connell going for at midfield minute thirty left in the
first half. I thought felt desperate. This game was over
at half. It was twenty four to three. You could
argue it was over midway through the second quarter. All
on coaching. The Rams put on a clinic. Brian Flores
is great. First play of the game, twenty five yards.
(02:17):
They're already in field goal position to Poka Nakouah. The
common theme this weekend is young quarterbacks that fell behind lost.
You know, justin Herbert lost and Sam Darnold lost and
Jordan Love lost and the only one that won was
Jayden Daniels and he needed a doink. What I watched
last night McVeigh proving once again, since Sean McVay arrived
(02:38):
in Los Angeles, only the Kansas City Chiefs have more
playoff wins. And he did it with a run team
with Todd Gurley, a run scheme, and then he did
it with Cooper Cup and now he's doing it with
an older Matt Stafford and Pooka Nakuah, and he's actually
doing it with defense. This Rams defense, the rookies. The
(02:58):
Rams have lead fell in rookie sacks, rookie fumble recoveries,
rookie pressures. The Rams do not miss on defensive draft picks.
They've missed on a couple offensive draft picks. But I'm
wat take Andy Reid out. If you're talking leadership, game management,
play design, culture building, it is almost unfair what the
(03:22):
Rams have in Sean McVay. I mean, Phil Jackson's an
all time coach, but Phil Jackson was very clear, I
coach superstars. You guys do the rebuilds. McVeigh can do rebuilds,
he can do young stars. He can build a defense.
He can go run first, he can go pass happy.
It doesn't matter. You give him an off season. He'll
rebuild a team. He'll rebuild the Schememember a couple years ago,
(03:43):
he went to Seattle for the opener in a rebuild year.
Pete Carroll didn't know what he was watching. I mean,
they literally came in with a completely different schemed run game.
And I'm looking at some of these Rams defensive stats
since Week fifteen, including the playoffs. The Rams lead the
entire NFL in sacks, and I don't know if they
can beat Philadelphia, but they match up with Philadelphia and
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they are a different team than the one that played
Philadelphia earlier this year. I said this for the last
three weeks, this young defense, about every three weeks you
look up and they're noticeably better. And I mean the
starters have only played four games. The last four games
the starters defensively have played for the Rams, they've allowed
under ten points in all four games. So there's only
a handful of quarterbacks that can beat the Rams, and
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Sam Darnold with this offensive line, is not one of them.
But we love to bury losers. I mean, that's what
media does right, you're a loser. We bury you. I
didn't think this game was about the Vikings. I thought
it was about a staff in Brian Flores and Kevin
O'Connell that we felt all year was an elite staff.
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Four drives into that game, three drives into that game.
It was a coaching this match. The Vikings could not
protect Darnald, who's always held to the too long for
the record. So did Big Band, and so did Joe Burrow,
so did Andrew Loock. Some guys like to hold it
a second longer because they're big play guys. They like
to throw the ball down the field. Not Dincon Duncan.
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But Sam didn't have a great night. But Josh Allen
could win that game with that protection. Lamar Jackson Maholmes
could win that game. Sam Darnold's not going to But
I said this weekend, we love to bury the losers.
I didn't blame the Packers for losing. I said yesterday
on the show, they're not as good as Philadelphia. They're
too young. Green Bay wasn't gonna win that game in Philadelphia.
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It was the one game I said going into the weekend,
my favorite bet was take Philadelphia they don't even have
to play well, and they didn't and they can win.
To me, this game was about Sean McVay. I mean,
think about this. Kyle Shanahan is considered a very good coach,
and I think that eight years, four times under five
hundred and he is very reliant and Shanahan's good. He
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is really reliant on Christian McCaffrey. Mcveigh's on nobody. Oh,
Jared Goff, now I got rid of him. Matt Stafford,
don't go run heavy. He's proven he can win and
proven he can get to a super Bowl. So he's
not reliant on any one thing. You give Sean McVay
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an offseason or an extra week like Andy Reid, and
it feels like a coaching mismatch against a Viking staff
that I think is one of the best staffs in
the league. The gap in preparation, the gap in game
planning in the first two to three drives of that
game was insane. Again, Barry Darnald Donald's closer to Bakerfield.
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Baker Mayfield, Okay, he had a great year. They're gonna
move on. They're gonna go to JJ McCarthy. That's the NFL.
If you have a bad couple of weeks at the
end of the year, coaches get fired, quarterbacks get demoted,
people hit the free agent market. That's always been the NFL.
You only have so many games. They're scarcity. It's not
the NBA or hockey or baseball. You're gonna have bad
julyes and you're gonna be okay if you're hitting in August, September,
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in October. That's not the NFL. You have a couple
of bad weeks, people move off you. But I McVeigh
was symphonic last night and numbers a game earlier this year.
Remember this game, Jmac when they played the Buffalo Bills,
And I came on the following day and I said,
I think that was the perfectly coached played game. The
best coach played game ball by any team all year
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was the Rams beating Buffalo. They were as flawless as
you can be against the great team that first half.
Nobody including the Chiefs, would have beaten the Rams in
the first half last night. I don't know how you
coached better or played better, or considering what's going on
in southern California, how you're more focused here. Sean mcvayh
after I thought.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
We had a great rush plan, and I thought, ultimately
it's always about the players bringing it to life and
having a real understanding of what we were trying to
get done, what was the intent. They have really played
excellent football as of late. They're peaking at the right time.
They're not showing any of that youth that you would think,
you know, as you play your eighteenth game in the
you know, in this season.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
But I'm proud of them.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
They came through in a big way and they were
instrumental in us being able to advance.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, game was over by the fourth series. Let's talk
Sam Donald and I know what you're all saying, Colling,
you love Sam Donald. I do, but I kept saying
all year, when's the shoe gonna drop? I know Sam's reckless.
I watched them in college, I watched them in the pros.
But he was having like an MVP level season. And
it happens. We've seen quarterbacks like this, Ken O'Brien, rich Gannon,
whatever it is. Guys have unbelievable, remarkable seasons, but the
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truth always comes out. Sam Donald actually had a very
Dak Prescott like season, won a lot of games. Everybody
likes him, players rally around him, coaches love coaching him.
Wins a lot of games, and then he faces elite
competition and it doesn't look the same. So Sam Donald
was zero to four against the Rams and the Lions,
and he was eleven to zero against everybody else. And
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the good news for Sam Donald is most everybody in
the league is everybody else. There is one Sean mcvahan Stafford.
There is one Detroit Lion offensive line. So Sam Darnald,
like Dak Prescott, you put up an eighty eight mile
hour fastball, He's going to hit it out of the park.
He's got trouble hitting Kershawn his Primes curveball. He's not
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gonna beat the great teams unless he's got really good protection,
a perfect game plan. So ninety percent of the league
isn't this Rams team or the Lions, or the Bills
or Patrick Mahome. The key is, then don't pay him
like Josh Allen. Tampa got it right. They paid Baker
the contract that Sam should now get. The Cowboys screwed
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it up. They paid Dak the contract because I think
that Dak Baker and Sam is kind of the same guy.
Productive players like him, you can build a little bit
around them, but they're reckless, a little bit sloppy. They're
not going to elevate the team as much as the
team is going to protect them. But they can make plays.
But the key is Tampa and the next team that
pays Donald can't them like Mahomes. And that's what the
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Cowboys did. They got a Baker and a Donald and
they paid him like Josh Allen Lamar Jackson. So they're
gonna go now with JJ McCarthy and they're gonna give
the young kid a shot. And Sam is absolutely gonna
have a market. I don't know where he's gonna go,
but Baker Mayfield had a market, held Gino Smith at
a market. Old Tom Brady and Kirk Cousins had a market.
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But Sam season, let's not take away from it. It
was remarkable. It was a great season. It was a
fun season. This team was picked to finish fourth, and
I don't put it all on Sam. Last night, young
quarterbacks Jordan love Sam Donald, Justin Herbert still pretty young,
that fell behind or could not get protect Texans. I
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mean the Chargers couldn't protect Justin Herbert, the Vikings couldn't
protect Sam Darnold. Baker Mayfield should have won that game.
But you know, Jayden Daniels is remarkable. This is what
happens in the playoff. Jordan Love got behind, got a
little reckless trying to make plays. There is no tomorrow.
So Sam's gonna be fine. He deserves a Baker Mayfield contract.
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You can kind of build around him, but that's not
confuse it for what it is. And here's Kevin O'Connell
after what.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
He was able to do this year when not very
many people thought he would be able to lead a
team to fourteen wins. I'm very rare for a quarterback
in their first year. And I think Sam would be
the first one to tell you could he have played
better tonight? I'm sure he would tell you that he
could have. Could I have coached better? I promise you
I could have. Could our team have rallied around, you know,
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a play here or there to try to keep that
thing competitive?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And I you know, I said Sam Darnold. He was
zero and four against the Rams and the Lions, but
he was actually like fourteen to zero against everybody else.
Sam was perfect except against the great teams. And you
know who beats the great teams. Not many quarterbacks four
maybe in the league. I mean, as good as Stafford
and McVeigh are, They're gonna go to Philadelphia be an underdog,
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probably not play as perfectly as they did last night.
Philadelphia played poorly, so everybody now is doubting them. Yet
they played poorly and being a good packer team. So
Philadelphia now go stays home cold Weather Rams play a
perfect game. It is hard to beat great in this league.
And Sam faced great last night. A great pass rush,
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a great young defense, a great coach, great efficiency. Bye,
Matt Stafford, Sam's not gonna beat that without online all right,
j Mack. Cowboys may have a coach and it's and
it's from the college ranks.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Stop it.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
You can't even say it with a straight face. But
in all seriousness, for Darnald, everybody going on to pile
on him last night on social media, I thought it
was a little excessive. All of a sudden, he was
an MVP candidate for what fifteen weeks, and now he's
a total bum who's not going to get paid by anybody.
He's still gonna have a market in the off season.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Of course.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
It's like people just don't understand football or front offices.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Kurt Adoss, Kirk Cousins, who's not nearly as dynamic as Sam,
doesn't have Sam's arm, doesn't have Sam's playmaking, was older
and coming off of surgery, had a market. In fact,
even his cousins this year looked washed. I think you
and I have said this. He still has a market.
Aaron Rodgers is not close to what he was six
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years ago. His season was a disaster. Aaron Rodgers has
a market. The key is front offices have to pay
the right number. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers got it right
with Baker. It doesn't limit what they can do. The
Cowboys didn't. They paid Dak and Dak and Baker. I
think Baker's more talented than Dak. They're very close. I mean,
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Baker's more reckless, but a little bit more talented. Dak
is less reckless, but he's got a lower ceiling. One
got paid like Mahomes and one got paid like a
B to B plus quarterback. So Donald's in that B
to B plus stuff. If he gets some support, you
can't pay him like an A. Now, we thought for
a big chunk of the season, like Week ten through
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Week sixteen, were like, you gotta pay. But this is
how the NFL works. Because of the scarcity of games
and because there's one game a week and in the
playoffs their standalone games. There's a lot of pressure from
owners and executives. You gotta hit it in the big games.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Now, I will say I believe in brock Purty a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I like him.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
You know that I'm team brock Party Colin. If he
holds firm, I want sixty million.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I'm not.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I would take Sam.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Donald at thirty million over brock Purty six. I'm sorry,
I would and forty nine ers fins. You tell them
that and they're like.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You're out of your mind. Rock Party.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I don't think they grasped like double the He's not
double the player Sam Donald is.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You have to remember you can overpay a right tackle,
you can overpay a linebacker, but when you're over paying
a quarterback and he is gobbling up twenty one percent
of your salary cap. There are certain things in life
that you can't make a mistake. On the day to
day all of us make mistakes. I make fifteen a day.
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But there are certain things, like the safety of your children,
that you can't make a mistake on and like in
the NFL, not perfectly analogous, but you can make mistakes
on a slot corner and overpaying him. It's not going
to destroy your salary cap. You cannot make a mistake
at quarterback. It's just there's too much money involved, that's
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too big of a cap percentage.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
And I'll remind people Sam Donald won fourteen games with
the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell. You don't think he can
duplicate that or come close to it with Kyleseyna.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I mean, I mean, I will say this, Sam Darnold
to the Raiders, if the Raiders got an offensive coach
and Johnson, I think he would be very, very interesting.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
But you know it's like with Shane Steichen. Maybe does
that do anything for you? If Anthony Richardson's not their guy?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And oh, I I'll just tell you right now. I'll
tell you right now. Sam Darnold to the Colts is
the play Vikings don't want to face Sam again and
roll the dice on. He's better than McCarthy. Get Sam
to the AFC where you don't have to play him.
JJ McCarthy may be better. I would rather Sam not
prove me wrong. So if you can always get a guy,
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Belichick will give up Garoppolo. Let's just send him over
to San Francisco. I always understand that even if you
don't love a guy, if you think there's a little
bit in the back of our head because they don't
know what JJ McCarthy is, you don't know what he is.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
You're the only ones who have a clue. Though they
see him every day. They do the work ethic.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
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Speaker 1 (16:46):
App heard Hierarchy time.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
Number TAD.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Cincinnati Bengals. Sorry, they beat the Broncos and the Pittsburgh
Steelers that made the playoffs, and they beat the breaks
off of Green Bay. Right now, they're a good football team.
Joe Burrow is on fire five game winning streak. He
completed seventy seven percent of his throws, thirteen tds, four picks,
and a one to eleven passer rating. That's just sometimes
the way it works. You get hot too late. Cincinnati
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is a top ten team in the league. Let me
tell you who Kansas City, Buffalo and Baltimore didn't want
to make the playoffs. Cincinnati they were fine with bow Knicks.
They were fine with Justin Herbert, CJ. Stroud and don't
want bow Nicks anywhere near the playoffs. Cincinnati at ten,
number nine, Minnesota, Yeah they listen. They're like a really
good student who got a D in their last couple
of test scores doesn't make him a bad student. Top
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ten scoring offense, top five defense. They got out coached
last night, and they're not as good as Detroit and frankly,
the Rams Young defense is a site to behold. But
I have the Vikings at nine, number eight, the inconsistent
Houston Texans. Now they're only two and five against playoff
teams and they're going to go to Kansas City. It's
going to be cold and they're gonna get smoked. They're
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nine to zero when holding opponents to twenty points or fewer.
In Kansas City's getting better on offense, so that's not
gonna happen. I think there's still a year away. I
think Denver's a year away. I think Green Bay's a
year away. I do think c J. Stroud's a different
quarterback on the road than at home. We told you
that going into the Chargers game, ce J Stroud cold
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weather on the road, their season will end Number seven Commanders,
no punts or turnovers against the Bucks. I don't know
if I like the team or I'm in love with
Jayden Daniels. I mean the kids, just honest to God,
there's about sixty percent Mahomes, sixty percent Lamar Jackson. It's
the best rookie I've ever seen, next to Andrew Luck.
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Six game winning streak. Each of their last five games
have been decided on the last play from scrimmage. You
can't do that forever. That's just too emotional, too wild.
I think they'll lose, but they deserve a ton of respect.
How would you like to be Washington for the next
ten years with Jayden Daniels in cap space? Sign me
up now. Number six. Number six is the Rams played
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a perfect game in the first half last night, but
they were not good on third down and their offense
can be really sluggish in the first half. Listen, they're
really good, not great, but they're fifteen and five when
they have Stafford and Puka and Cup and Kyron Williams.
Kiraen Williams got dinged up last night, cross your fingers,
and they're seven to one. When they score twenty one
plus their offense gets stuck though, and it happens kind
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of regularly where their offense gets stuck. But if you
give mcveaig or Andy Reid extra time, good night. And
I thought this this defense is no joke. In the
first four weeks of the year, they had eight sacks
at eight sacks last night. This defense is Jared Verse
is unblockable. This kid right here jumping into the end zone.
So the Rams are a young defense that about every
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three weeks you look up and they're noticeably better. I
have the Rams at number six, number five Philadelphia. I
don't know if I don't think they can win the
Super Bowl. Yes, they're thirteen. In one of the last
fourteen games, they were two for eleven on third down.
Jalen Hurts went nearly two full quarters without a completion,
and I don't love the head coach. I do think
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they'll beat the Rams because the Rams played perfect and
now go outdoors to cold weather and Philadelphia played poorly
and still won. They have the best roster in the NFL.
But I mean Saquon Barkley is the leader of this team.
It's not the quarterback, it's not the coach. This is
the one team to me, Like you can like Derrick Henry,
but I get Lamar and John Harbaugh. Saquon Barkley leads
this team. That's the guy in the old line that
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I trust. Number four, Listen, the Ravens are good. Boy.
They are really dependent on Derrick Henry and Lamar and
that would concern me. Three drives of eighty five plus yards.
You know what I feel about Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
They're one in five against the Chiefs and they beat
everybody else. So I don't think this team would beat
Kansas City if they hadn't play him an arrowhead. I
just don't think they would because I think Kansas City
is better defensively and I think Baltimore is getting better
on the defensive side. They held opponents under twenty points
in five straight games. So that's what good coaching staffs
do and good general managers do. Baltimore had a flaw,
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and they're now better at the flaw. Kansas City wasn't
very good on offense early, and now Kansas City is
better on offense. That's what good organizations do. So they've
cleaned up the mess on defense. I have them there
at what do I have the Ravens at four? Number three,
Detroit Lions, second best roster in football off of by
hosting the Commanders. They struggle against multile quarterbacks, which is
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not a good thing to struggle against. In twenty twenty
five in the NFL, six and two against playoff teams,
Dan Campbell has a culture of relentlessness. Guys play hurt.
Jared Goff. For all you Jared Goff critics, this should
be a calling was really right for the next ten years.
Jared Goff on third and fourth down this year eighteen touchdowns,
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no picks. Best o line in football.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Number two, number what? Number two?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Number two Kansas City Listen, worst point differential in the
history of the league for a team that's as good
as them. I know they had to buy, and I
know they'll be good, and I know they'll beat the
brakes off of Houston. And they are getting stronger late
with their musical chairs on the offensive line in Hollywood
Brown And they are seven and two against current playoff
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teams and twenty one and two. But aesthetics matter and
data matters. And my number one team in the league
number on, it's Buffalo. There's never been a team in
pro football that had thirty passing touchdowns and over thirty
rushing touchdowns. Not only do they win at home, all
but one home game was a blowout seven win by
twenty points. I think this offense is incredible. Left tackle
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right now, the best remaining in the playoffs. Quarterback, most
talented remaining in the playoffs, James Cook, Top five running back,
two good tight ends, three capable receivers. They are not
as good as Kansasity defensively, there is no question, and
maybe they don't match up with Baltimore defensively, but this
team right now is so good offensively, left tackle, quarterback, weapons,
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run game. I have them number one by an inch.
I think this is the year. I think this is
the best version of Buffalo. Hey, these are tough decisions, folks.
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Speaker 1 (24:32):
And with that, one of our favorite guests, the playmaker
Michael Irvin, the very well connected Michael Irvis, is joining us.
So we've got things to talk about last night as
we're getting ready for the game, Jerry makes sure Dion
and the Cowboys makes the wire, makes the news. So
let's talk about that. You have a relationship with Dion Sanders.
(24:54):
He has been very loyal. It's been brief, but he
loves Colorado, the Cowboy hatt. He feels the part you
told me a month and a half ago. He would
listen listen to Jerry Jones. Yes, is he now listening
more to Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Well, you guys now know that he has.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
He and Jerry has had conversations, which I am so
happy now to put that out and the ether and
you guys finding that out.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yes, they are having conversations.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
When I talked to Dion last night and this morning,
when I was talking to him, he was real real,
telling me real carefully.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Now listen, it's all we can talk about. It's all
we can talk about. Is that. Yeah, It's all I
just say is that they are talking.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
I love when he tells me things like that, really
be careful because that things.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
That means things are moving in a.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Way that we can't just openly talk like we used
to openly talk.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I can't get out here, run my mouth like I
need to.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
I want to you know what I'm saying, So I
don't want to mess anything up, so I make sure
I leave it right there. He said, that's all we
can talk about right now that I've had conversations.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
And that is mana from heaven. When he tells me
that now, manna from heaven.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
He had said a couple of years ago when asked
about the NFL, he said, I'd have a hard time
paying a guy money and he doesn't care because I
care college kids. I know, you know, we'll cut him
on a scholarship. You get stuck with NFL guys. Well
that hasn't changed.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
No, no, But but what you do know though, is
we talk about and we talk about Dion's great ways
with young men. These are young men in the NFL.
You know, we're in college, we consider to be kids,
but these are still young men going through a lot
of issues, dealing with a lot of issues. And this
is what Dion separates from all of the exes that
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OWDs coaches because he is a true mentor. He's a
true mentor that's coaching, and the other coaches are coaching
and they're forced the mentor.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
They're forced the mentor.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
So when we talk about coaching, his job is to
bring the best out of the player. These guys are
making a lot of money. Travis Hunter, he brought the
best out of Travis Hunter. And Travis Hunter had all
kinds of opportunity to make money. He didn't think about
those things. He thought about bringing the best up out
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of him. He didn't take all the nil money.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
He followed.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Dion went Deon w Jackson, and he went to then
he went to Colorado and now he's living his best life.
That's what Deon would do for all the NFL players too.
Let's help you get to your best life. And it's
not just about making money. It's about making the right decisions.
It's about taking care of your family. It's about you
and everything that you're doing. That's what he's great at
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and that'll bring the best football out of you.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Now, Deon's had a remarkable American life from from the
fastest college player to a best cornerback of all time,
to broadcaster a lot of spirituality in there, then to
coaching small, bigger coaching. If he could end up Dallas Cowboys,
it really is an amazing American life.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Now, I will say you say all of that, Colin,
But but, and it is an amazing life. But it
has been met with great wins against him in w
I and d Wind. I mean, you know, people, it's
not okay, he's a hell of an athlete. But everywhere
this man goes, Now, everywhere this man goes. When he
went to Jackson, it won't work out there. Oh no,
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he turned that around. Then went to Colorado. Oh boy,
you'll see when you get the big town football it's different.
Oh but he turned that around. And here we come
again with the same doubt with Dion. Well what could
he do in Dallas? I sell people everywhere this man
has set his foot in the sand. He leaves a
footprint of greatness. So Dallas needs to get on board
with that, and I hope they do. I gotta I
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can't say much about that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
By the way, you have a relationship you and Aikman
have a relationship with Jerry that is different than a
lot of people. And can I ask Jerry who now
does acting? He's pretty good on land man, Yes, he's
pretty good showman. Do you has Jerry called you recently
just to chat about this?
Speaker 7 (29:06):
I talked with Jerry when we were at fight and
we're somewhere else. So yeah, I was at his house.
We had an event in its place. So yeah, we
talked in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, okay, all right, I look, let's talk about the
future of Dallas.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Back up, let's back up too, all right, like Troy
and I heard.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
De Troy comments, and you know, I love Troy. I
love Troy to death, and it's to life. I better
say the lifeus. Deanna called me.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
On that is it? Is it a coveted job?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
That's what I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I don't know if it is Philadelphia's roster Jayden Daniels
ninety million cap space. I don't know if it's a
coveted job. I'm not saying it's Colorado state.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
We got to stop.
Speaker 9 (29:44):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Prove it to me easily, easily. How many how many
coaches out here coaching?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
What a couple?
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Hundred thousand co co coaching all the way, college, high school.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Hundred towns coaching.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Oh no, no, no, fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Max head coaches, they everything, even fifty thousand.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
They're only thirty two jobs in the National Football and
thirty to each one of those jobs going to pay
you above knowing to somewhere six seven million dollars a year.
How how do I fix this radio on my face
to say something like what I say?
Speaker 4 (30:17):
It like what he said? I love them?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
But how do you fix the radio on your face
to sing a song like It's not a covety job.
It's the Dallas Cowboys. They're only thirty two of them
in this.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Whole wide world.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
And you're talking about a fifty thousand max. We're talking
about nine United States that coach is all over the
world that probably wants to come and coach if they
knew how to coach nation the Football League. Let's stop
saying stuff like this. Let's stop saying this is what
you call it, purplely, it's the perfluous words that you're
just throwing out here to sound like something, but it's
not true. It has no truth to it. This is
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a coveny job. All thirty two of them are coveted
jobs in this country and mostly probably in this world.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
So that right there is not right to even say that.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Now the Cowboys is as covenant as any other team
in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Now, I know Jerry's your friend. I know he's your friend.
So what I'm gonna say right here.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Troy is my friend, a lot of friends, but I
can't lie. I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I would say this Jerry is That's why he's so
good on land Man. He's a performer, he loves the media.
There are those in the NFL that say, well, you
had Jimmy and Parcels and basically you ran them off.
I think what Troy was saying is no, it's a job.
But it does sort of feel like you got to
(31:38):
answer a lot of questions about Jerry's recent radio report.
Doesn't that get in the way a little?
Speaker 7 (31:44):
No? No, not if you're doing your job. I don't
care what Jerry says. I'm winning football games. I'm doing
my job. You could do what he say whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Who cares.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
I'm doing my job and this is what I'm saying. Guys,
the owner talks. My issue is is that that why
we so hard on Jerry because he talks and does
radio interviews. What's the separation between Jerry and the Rooney's.
What's the separation. I keep bringing this up and nobody
tells me anything. I'm almost getting afraid to bring it
(32:16):
up now because the Rooneys must have something on everybody.
I don't know what's going on, but the Rooney's run
all of the organization in Pittsburgh and and they haven't
given Mike Tumblin what he wants. But we want to
run Mike Tumblin out. But when it comes to the Cowboys,
it's it's it's all Jerry's fault. Any failure or any
not seed succeeding, it's all Jerry's fault.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Everywhere else is just the coach. It's in Pittsburgh, it's
just a coach.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
Nobody's put anything on the Rooneys in Pittsburgh, and they
haven't found a quarterback in one hundred years one hundred.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But Jerry's different. He is a different owner. He does
radio hits, he talks after the game's right, He's ah,
how many owners would go on land Man and look
like an actor?
Speaker 7 (32:58):
But does that mean because Jerry's on an interview that
is not a covenant job?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Can we take it that far?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Can we say that does that mean because Jerry's doing
interview that he hasn't done a good job when he
gave you twelve and five talent every year over the
last three years. So come on, I don't mind you're
not liking him. I don't mind, I don't want it.
I understand all that a lot of people don't know him,
but a lot of people don't like him, and that's
why this stuff perpetuates itself so much. I'm just saying, man,
(33:27):
let's look at the reality and measure the reality and
stop having these crazy conversations about this is not a
covenant job.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Okay, yes it is.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I'm gonna throw something. I'm interested in your answer for this.
So years ago I went to a therapist. I don't
do it a lot, but I went to a therapist.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
The best thing will.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And so my wife and I were arguing about something
and the therapist said to me, he goes, you have
a different brain than your wife. She's an artist. You're
more accountant. And we don't argue with this.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Said sees colors, you see shapes. So when you criticize
her for this, she sees the world differently than you.
And then uh. And so I shared this with my
wife and she said, yeah, I'm smarter than you. Get
over it. The point being it didn't change the way
I view I'm always thinking I see the world in
(34:20):
squares and circles, she sees it and shades of lavender.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
So AJ, you got to come to her and said, okay,
when you say something, say okay, how did you how
did you receive that's right?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
How did you receive?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
A Brown is reading a book on the sidelines that
made you happy? Yeah, okay, See my brain works differently. Well,
how what did you see?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Because AJ is me?
Speaker 7 (34:46):
Me and AJ we are like I had to learn
when I left football. Of course, some mistakes and the
steps in football. So I said to myself, You're not
canting any more touchdowns. Let's figure out we have some
of the situations we have. You know, I gotta.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Figure this out.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
And I was reading and trying to study and learn
more about me brand upon this book. It's a great
book called Edison Jean The Gift of the ad HG Child.
And in this book they're talking about what A J.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Brown?
Speaker 7 (35:15):
What AJ Brown was doing here. What he's doing is
trying to calm what you call his reptilian brain. Anytime
anyone in the third trimester of a mother's pregnancy, if
she's stressed in any way, Curtisol's released to the brain
of the baby, telling the baby to prepare for a
flight of fight environment, because that's what before yes, moms,
(35:35):
so so his reptilian brain kind of get a little stuck.
He's more apt to fight than reason. Like me, I'm
more after fight you you confront me, than reason with you.
And it serves me great on the football field. But
when I'm driving down the street and somebody says I
have to figure out, I had to say, you know,
(35:56):
the book could tell you. The book could tell you
knowing that you're like this. It's seventy five percent of
just it's how you Winny.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You see yourself and aj Brown.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Oh absolutely, oh absolutely. That's why when everybody said what
are you doing here for? I said, man, it's totally focused.
This is totally folks. I'm focused on my energy being
good energy for the team, and I'm going to focus
on me, and I know I can't let this situation
take over me.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I understand it because he and I are the same.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I understand what he was doing.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Right there, and I think all of us, a lot
of receivers need to learn it and even do this
right here what he's doing, because it really is brilliant.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
They got through the game and.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
He was out there joking when Saquon didn't go all
the way and run, you know.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
What I mean.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
So he put him back in the right frame of mind.
Even though we only got one pass. I don't know
if the book could have helped me with one pass
in the playoff game, but it helped.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Him out, and that's good. That's good. I don't know
I would have been said, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It's funny about that. I'll share something with the audience.
I had lunch with rich Eisen a couple months ago
and we were talking, that's my man too. Yeah, and
I said, we we had great affection for you, and
we said, you know, and you've had some missteps in life,
haven't we. All Yours have been more public and uh
and and our take was you're a curious person, You're great,
you have great empathy. Uh and And we both shared
(37:14):
kind of the same stories that we had such great
feelings for you because you acknowledged stuff, you admit stuff.
You're imperfect, but you're you're you, you always you always
come back to Michael at your heart. And I think
what you're saying now, you're addressing this with a j Brown.
I love that you're saying, guys, this is me, and
(37:35):
everybody learns differently, everything lands differently. That's the there I'm not.
I don't want to board the audience, but now.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
I can't take You can't take that side of me
without realizing this is side of me, and I'm working
on this side of me.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Let me get this book out and worked through me.
You see what I mean. And that's just a difference.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay. I'm watching the Rams last night, and there are
times you had one with Jimmy Johnson. Very few players
get an all time great coach. You had Jimmy Johnson,
And I'm watching McVeigh last night. He's got Shanahan's brain,
He's got Jimmy Johnson's understanding of personnel, he's got Andy
(38:15):
Reid's play design, he's got Dan Campbell's ability to give
you big alpha energy. I didn't see a game. I
saw a little bit of a coaching mismatch last night.
How is McVeigh viewed around the league?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
And I'm with you on this.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
I think McVey is an incredible coach, an incredible coach
even the year they won that Super Bowl. To have
that kind of talent on that team and not have
any kind of situations from that team was incredible. That
means he managed all of those personalities. Yeah, there's a
lot of personal.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Now he's got the crisis, the tragedy in southern California
around his facility.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
And he puts it right in and used it. He
uses it. He doesn't run away from it. He says
to you guys, hey, let's give our people back home
something to get away from the mess they're dealing with.
Let's make some great ness out of that great mess,
you know, and get let's get that. Let's try to
ride this. Every team this time of the year tries
(39:15):
to find that hook.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yes, that hooks.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Them in, Like, that's why we always call it what
gets the world?
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Ain't nobody said nothing to what you mean. They just
start saying that, you guys are undefeated right now, who's
against you? But we always come up with these montres.
You're looking for a hook, you're looking for the hook,
and this disaster has given the Rams when and they
played like it was a hook, like we're going to
give these people some relief from what to what they've
been dealing with. And they, boy, they they laid it
(39:44):
out on the vikings last night with them nine sacks.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I mean they played well.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
So when you were a cowboy, the coach and the
quarterback were the centerpiece of the team and then you
and Emmett were viewed as the weaponry. But it it's
a very quarterback strong coach and quarterback personality. Philadelphia is interesting.
I don't trust the coach. I think the center of
the team is Saquon Barkley. I think the center of
(40:11):
the team is the old line. And I don't know
if you can win a super Bowl in twenty twenty five.
And that's not a knock on Jalen Hurts. I like him,
but he's not Lamar Mahomes statistically, he's not golf, he's
not Josh Allen. I don't think he's Stafford from the pocket.
What do you make of a Philadelphia team where the
coach is yelling at fans, where the quarterback is kind
(40:33):
of inconsistent? Can you win a super Bowl with that?
Speaker 7 (40:37):
I love that analogy that you just laid out and
how you tracked it. You know, when you talk about
the solidness of this team, I think Jalen Hurts is
a great leader, a great leader, but Saquon has brung
something different.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
It's totally different.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
And let me tell you and us just talking about
Jalen I mean Ajed Brown on the sideline reading a book,
and then him in Devontae smith Man, why did.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
You keep running with go go go with the ball?
Speaker 7 (41:04):
I would have said, keep running, go down on the
one yard line if you're going to go play right.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Why you love it? You know why you love it?
Let me tell you why you love it. Let me
tell you why I think you love it.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
Because it just said to all of Philadelphia, hey.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
I'm totally not selfish.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
Any other running back would have gone and got the
rest of those yards before he sat down, because that's
part of the great season you've had.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
You had a two thousand yard rushing season. You're gonna
have one hundred and something.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Do you know how cognitively quick you have to be
as a running back? The last guy in football you
can hit from any angle. That Sakwan Barkley, who didn't
play the last week and could have set the record,
so you could have that animosity, you break free to
seal it. And he is so in the moment that
(41:51):
he said, no, it's about us, not me.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
I gotta talk about that. Get in there.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
The ability in the moment to go almost sit down
right here. I was just like, Oh, that dude's that
dude's going on thousand miles an hour right.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Now, Colin. Let me tell you how I saw it.
I said, oh, wow, two things of that boy. That's
great because I saw Davante and and and aj Brown.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
What do you keep going? Keep going? Keep going?
Speaker 7 (42:15):
So he's showing them something here, showing them Hey, man,
it ain't even about them numbers.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
It's about us getting the championship. And I love that
part of it.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
I did not like the interview afterwards when he said, oh, well,
you know, there are things that could have happened.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
I could have pulled the hamstrings up.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
I said, oh god, it here because I want That's
why I wanted him to get the record last week
or the end of the week end of the season,
because I wanted him to exercise that demon in his career.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
What's been the demon in his career? It's been injuries.
Speaker 7 (42:47):
And if you go past and said I'm going to
get this record, I'm not going to let that demon
make me afraid to go and get the record. I
believe that demon also made him afraid to continue running.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Why he fell down.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Now he was gonna fall down on the one, but
let's go get those other sixty yards.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
He has to deal with that.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
But the lesson he gave aj Brown and Devontae Smill,
that was a great lesson. But he has to deal
with that in his own mind. I'm so good at
this people, That's what I do because it's real. These guys.
I've dealt with it, and I had to study it
because I had to calm my black butt down. I
was crazy. You gotta study these things. Don't just study
(43:27):
what you do. Go learn why you did it. Don't
just hear what people say. Understand how they think. That's
how you win in life.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Okay, when's the last time beyond? And you text each other?
Could you give us the time on that this morning?
Speaker 4 (43:42):
This morning, this morning? Yeah, of course, as much for.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
The audience that just tuned in. He said to you, what, well.
Speaker 7 (43:49):
I can only tell you so much and you can't
be telling the world everything is what he said to me,
and that's why I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
To find this line right here. But they are, but
they are talking, and to me, that's heaven.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I'm in.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
I'm enjoyed because I talked about this yesterday with.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
With with Keishawn and Joy and of course Paul on
speak and they were talking about, well, what's the.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Plan with Jerry.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
Jerry was going in trying to make it work with
Mike McCarthy, but they couldn't agree on the years. I said, oh,
that's great, and so now before Jerry let you guys
win and talk like he didn't have a plan, he'll
go out. This'll make him go go and do something
differently and more drastic because he I've heard him said
(44:34):
many times, I've always come out on top when forced
to do something or make a hard decision. It always
worked out, and this time would be the same thing.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
I really do believe that. So all of Mike McCarthy
fall out.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
And Jerry wanted them and didn't get him a push,
this billionaire to go do something that he probably wouldn't
have normally done, like a hire of Don Sanders or
something like that. So I'm I'm excited to see what
plays out. I'm gonna try to keep these these big
old lips I got closed. Like Don asked, but it's
a hard task. He understood it. He understood.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
He know it's as.
Speaker 7 (45:10):
Hard because because I'm excited too, So I gotta control myself.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Michael Irving the playmaker as always, my friend, and I.
Speaker 7 (45:18):
Love you too, buddy, You're my mad I'm so happy
right now, y'all because we're gonna have a good offseason.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
It gives us hope again.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
When I say I'm happy, I'm not happy about any
man getting fired, but just happy about new direction and
what's happening and what's going to happen. Yeah, all right,
we're about to be in prime time I mean football games.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
You don't know what I mean. Let me leave that alone.
I get in trouble
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