January 17, 2025 • 41 mins
He looks at the Rams vs Eagles as well the National Championship between Ohio State and Notre Dame in this week's Blazin' 5.
Plus, 2-time Super Bowl champion LeSean McCoy joins the show in studio to defend Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni and what he expects to see in the Lamar Jackson v Josh Allen showdown
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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we go. Not messing around into Friday. We didn't wear
casual clothes. This is my best shirt. We're ready to
go on a Friday. I got my blazing four. I'm
not touching Lions commanders lines up to ten. I don't
like those games. I'm staying away from that thing. Good day.
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I been so Shady McCoy a.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Couple of minutes.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You got your picks, next hour. This is many people believe.
This is the best weekend of the year in football.
Divisional round playoffs. Next weekend's championship, and then you get
a couple weeks off of the Super Bowl. We'll be
in New Orleans for the Super Bowl. Getting their Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You gotta hit on Shady's case. I think I saw
him pick the Ravens. Didn't he play for the Buffalo bills.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
At one point, doesn't matter. He's a journalist. Now he's
got to take only sees and the truth. All right,
here we go, not that many games. I'm picking four
fire away.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins Blazing five sponsored
by Draft Gicks, Texans and Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I don't love eight and a half, but I'm gonna
swallow it. I'm gonna lay it and take Kansas City.
Two of their last three wins have come by ten
plus points, undefeated at home thirteen and four off up
by under Andy Reid. And they don't give the ball
away anymore. Seven straight games without a giveaway.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
C J.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Stroud has never been the same quarterback on the road
warm weather team in really cold weather. And I also
think the Texans benefited from those interceptions against Justin Herbert.
That's not gonna happen. They're missing there. Two of their
top three received. Joe Mixon's banged up And if you
look at c. J. Stroud on the road versus teams
that made the playoffs in his career zero to five
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passer rating at seventy one. I think the Chiefs win
by nine. I wish the number was better thirty to
twenty one. Take Kansas City Rams at Eagles. It's my
favorite bet of the weekend. I like Philadelphia, Inclement weather
is going to favor the better O line, the better
run game. I mean, they held the number eight scoring
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offense Packers to ten points in the wild card win.
They have the number one offensive line and the number
two rushing offense, and they're gonna give it to Saquon Barkley,
who's been on a heater seven of his last eight games,
plus one hundred yards. The Rams, listen, they took advantage
of a bad old line and they've got a very
good defensive line. They were at home. Now it's a
short week. They allowed one hundred and twenty four big
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plays this year, so you can beat him downfield. And
let's be honest. Matt Stafford in his career rain and
snow games one in eight, he is not the same quarterback.
Eagles win twenty eight to twenty, pull away in the
second half.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ravens aid Bill, I like the.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Bills nine to zero at home. They lead the NFL
with thirteen games of thirty plus points, and they don't
give the ball away. They're like Kansas City. They're very clean,
fewest giveaways and fewest sacks allowed in the NFL season,
which is wild for how a dynamic they are as
an offense. Josh Allen's been a good playoff quarterback Lamar
Jackson three and four in his playoff career. He's missing
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Za Flowers, who may play but hasn't practice. I gotta
be honest in a big playoff spot, Lamar's been a
bit tense. He's gotten better, but a bit tense, a
little anxious. Josh Allen has been great. I just think
I think Buffalo my guest today, I think Buffalo wins
the super Bowl. That's my take. I think this is
the best version Josh Allen's had. I'm gonna take the
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points and take Buffalo twenty eight to twenty four.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Ohio State versus Notre Day.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'm taking the under forty six and a half. I'm
gonna stay away from the spread. These are unbelievable defenses. Okay,
if you go look at Ohio State, they held Texas
to fourteen points. They held nine straight up points to
twenty one points. Reviewer and the Irish are missing a
couple offensive linemen we don't think they'll play, and their
offense is okay. Notre Dame meanwhile lead the country with
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thirty three takeaways, unbelievably well coached on defense, excellent secondary.
Opposing quarterbacks had twelve passing touchdowns and nineteen interceptions. They
will Howard can lose his confidence. So Notre Dame in
Ohio State, if you look at their defensive rankings this year,
you're looking at Krem Dela Crem. Points allowed they were
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one and two, passing yards allowed one and two. I
don't think Notre Dame has the offensive fire power to win,
but I'm gonna take the under forty six and a
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I still can't believe the Buffalo Bills are getting points
at home. And I know the wise guys like Baltimore,
and I know you can run the football on the Bills.
I get that, But I'm going to take a couple
of big favorites to cover the Chiefs and Eagles. Take
the under on Notre Dame Ohio State. In with that
couple of championships, Shady McCoy you see him on the facility,
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is now joining us. Well that's how I see the world.
Let me serious question, all right, right, serious.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I'm knowing from Tom Tatar Jaden. You know, Okay, I
want to know how well do.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You normally do well? I had a very bad year
because we talked about this. Favorites did very well this year,
and I like underdogs. I well, you had a good
year then, so has the playoffs have started? Now I'm
taken in college football. I'm taking favorites. So I want
to ask you about the Rams and Eagles. I said this,
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you know Philadelphia. Well, so there's always a couple in
your social circle or a family, and you fight and
you argue, and you're like, these people don't like each other,
and yet nobody gets divorced.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They stay together forever.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And you're like, who is battling?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
They're always fighting?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And I think to myself with Nick Sirianni, he looks ornery, tired,
he's feisty, But so is Philadelphia. Doug Peterson was too chill,
and Chip Kelly was a little West coast, you know, remote,
And here's Nick, who'd get in a fist fight with
you if it wasn't for Big Dom. And my takeaway
is maybe I'm wrong, is that Nick Sirianni is Philly.
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He acts like Philly, he's emotional like Philly. And the
players and the fans feet of him.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
They love Nick Sirianni. You know who loves the most
are the players. Every player I ask from from the
role players to the superstars, right to the franchise guys,
they love Nick Sirianni. He's that type of coach where
you can relate to him, right, have an Ishane locker room,
you can talk to him, and he's fired up in
the games, in practice, and you see it. One thing
about Nick Sirianni is like he's the type of guy
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he wears his emotions on the sleeve. And I think
in Philadelphia is that type of place. There's a lot
of players, there's a lot of coaches that can't coach
or play in Philadelphia. The media is too tough, the
fans are too tough. Right, things get aggressive. It's a
tough city and Nick Sirianni is perfect for it. And
this is the reason why it's not an accident that
this guy is a winner. Every year he's been in Philadelphi,
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he's been to the playoffs, he's been took this team
to the super Bowl. Right We look at Jalen Hurts
how far he's come from his rookie season to right now,
and a lot of credit goes to Nick Sirianni. You
talk about getting the players in there, A lot of
has to do with Howie Rose from the GM, but
also Nick Gianna and him working together getting them players.
Find a guy like Jalen Carter to be the most
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dominant guy on defense in football. So I can say
a million great things about Nick Sirianne. I would love
if I was playing, I would love him to be
my coach.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know, I think the Rams are a little like
the Packers. I think they're another draft away. I think
they need a corner on the left tackle. I think
they need a speed receiver. I think they probably need
another defensive tackle. They're a very young defense. Philadelphia gets
in your head. I mean, were you ever on a
team or when you when you were an Eagle that
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you you faced the team and they were good, but
they were young and Philly on Saturday or Sunday in
a PLAYFK. It's just too big for him.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I can see that, Like I guess as we're
speaking in its existence, I can see how you come
up with big win. Right, you beat the Vikings out right,
and everything is going on in La with the with
the wild fox and acceteriality, sacks. Everybody played well, and
now everybody's like, yo, the Rams might be a team
that can potentially beat the big time egs. So you
get to Philadelphia and that weather comes in to play
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with the snow and get them fans involved, and then
you see that running game again. See one thing about
football players you don't really like forget And as good
as the the Rams team did against what they play
the Vikings, when you played Eus is different like we
played it before. We are running back at two and
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fifty five yards rushing like that did happen? If you
really watch that game, you see how the offensive line
really controlled the line of scrimmagts Well.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Could have had another forty yards rushing sat he sat down.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Sat down. So I just think that, like, you didn't
forget that in this game right where in football you
get paid a lot a lot of money to kick butt, right,
I want you to dominate this other guy on the
other side of the field, and we do that best
now I think Jalen Hurts has a better performance than
he did against the Packers. They are in trouble. They
are in trouble.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I'm gonna ask you a question. This is a weird question.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I can assure you you've never been asked this because
as I watched Saquon Barkley, when you're running back and
you go through the hole and you know violence is coming,
it's coming, do you look for shades of colors? So
I watched a couple of times against Green Bay and
he didn't look directly at the defender. You never do,
but it was as if he just sees from his
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peripheral vision a color. So when you were doing that,
how do you see players coming through a gap but
your head's here. Do you get sort of intuned and
it becomes part of your style that you're just moving
away from the colors on the team, Because I don't
know how he makes so many damn people miss without
seeing them.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, you know, it's crazy. I don't know, man, you
might in your other life there running back because that's
how we see it, right. The best running backs are
the running backs that feel it right and you see color.
You never look at the person. If I look at
the defender, he sees me. I see him then he could.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So you see color, you see color, you.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Feel and you see color. So as I'm running through
the hole right, you don't look at it, but you
see the guy coming. He's coming full with speed, and
you jump cuts it right. You get I say, if
you watch sain Kwon Barkley, he always reacts to what
the defense does. The one play had against the Green
Bay right, it was the first so they funneled the
first kickoff right. The next run, I think say Kwan
got about twelve yards to the left to play with
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to the right. He felt the color shift into the right.
He makes his jump cut and spins to the left.
That's what a running back does. The best running backs
they feel and they see, not players, they see color.
You know what.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's a little like I'm so out of my element here,
but I love you. I was shifty, But it's almost
like I've seen this before. If you get into a
hip hop space in the studio and somebody's got the
melody right and you're just kind.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Of riffing, that's true.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yes, that's a little bit the running backs life that
you're kind of like, give me the melody, give me
the hole, and I'm going to kind of add lib
and riff. And there's some basic things like basic lyrics
I have in my head, but I'm going to kind
of add lib to the melody. And that's how I
see a running back totally right.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And there's so many different types of running backs. Like
a guy like Deck Henry, he's just different, right, he
doesn't mind conned, he doesn't mind it, so he'll look
at that God, Okay, we'll bring it on. But a
guy like Saquon because he is big, but he is
so explosive. And when you get a defender that you
don't look at right and you don't make eyes, you.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Can keep full speed.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
He full speed because he don't know that you see him.
As matter of fact, the first long running had against
the Rams, right, he ran up the holes, a big
hole runs through it and as the Saintany's coming right,
Saquon doesn't even look at him. Okay, he feels that color.
He jumps cut to the right and it was a touchdown.
Like that's a simple example of not really like looking
at the defender, but feeling him and knowing he's there.
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It's like it's like you're selling something to somebody. Right,
You're making a defender believe that I don't see you,
and I'm running straight and you think you're gonna hit
me right, and soon you get so close. Then I
jumped cut because I felt that color. And if you
watch a lot of Saquon Barkley's runs, man, he just
shows you like.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He doesn't look at defenders and yet pivots. He feels
the power. He's setting everybody up. He's he's like a
chess player. The two plays two moves ahead and sa
quwon probably thinking right now, by Coward, When I want
to talk about running backs, I go to CA, he.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Might call you. He might call you first before you
call me. Okay, Ravens Bills, what's a good one? Maybe? Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Here here's the thing. They're they're both great. Let's get
over it. And Lamar's gotten better in the last couple playffics. Yes,
he's been a bit tight. And we've seen this with
baseball players Barry Bonds a rod where they're just they
get golfers in the eighteenth get a little in your head.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
People on TV talking about it every day, and as
a player, you trying to block it out. You hear
it everywhere you go, social media, grocery stores, you know,
to match up, you hit a rumors, the narrative, can
you win playoff games? Josh, here's it. Lamar definitely hears it.
So they hear them things.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
When you ever got nervous, forget about playing better or worse?
How did it affect your game? Was there a game
where you were anxious? Did it affect your game? Were
your tentative? I mean, because I do feel sometimes he's
a bit tentative. Aaron Rodgers could do this. If he
threw it pick in a big game, he'd get a
little safe. Aaron would He wouldn't let it rep right
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Sam Darnold against the Rams a couple of times after
he got sacked.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
You can tell, yes, yeah, that's a different story. But
I give what you're saying. And I think every player,
especially the superstars, they go through this because all the pressure
is on you, all right. If the I don't know,
if the slot cornerback has a bad game for the Ravens,
We're not gonna come on TV and talk about We're
gonna talk about the main guys. And I think sometimes
with a lot of the superstar players, like the Josh
Allen's and Lamars. You're talking about the pastor Majhones and
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actually played with these these two guys, Josh and Pat.
Sometimes the games, they gotta calm down, right, You get anxious,
you can't wait. You've been waiting all week for this game.
It's the only game on TV. Everybody's watching. Every neighborhood,
every neighbor neighbor is watching this game. So you kind
of get antsy. And then there's sometimes you gotta relax, Okay,
let's calm down. Might take a serious or two.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So sometimes you had to like, oh, for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
There's times in a game where I can't wait the
ball out right, and maybe my first carry, you know,
I'm stepping over my feet. I'm not really comfortable, right,
And then I get hit. Okay, okay, Shadey McCoy convey
ill relax, and then I get back to this the
basis and plans.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It's interesting. There's a there's a clip on the internet
with Belichick telling Brady early in the Super Bowl. He's like, hey,
settle down, calm down, step into the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The simple thing. That's the basics, right, But you get
so so anxious. Oh he's open take any ease. The
same with running backs.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, now we I'm not going to talk Chiefs Lions,
they're heavy favorites. I'm going to get to two other things.
Dian was about a five hundred coach in college. But
I do think he has a connection of players that
other coaches don't.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
He do.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Tell me why I take it. You think it would
work and you would hire him?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I would. I think, especially players in the NFL, it's
about a respect thing. There's a lot of players that
may play for a coach because this is my job,
right and I have to do this. I have to
My job is run the ball blog, I do everything.
But sometimes you have coaches that whatever he says, if
I think it's right or wrong, I'm gonna do it.
But it's not that type of respect for him. That's
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who Deon Sanders is. That's the prime time players respect
coach prime or what he stands for. Another guy, Andy
Reid Andy Ree could tell everybody, hey man, go out
there and run through the wall, and ninety nine percent
of players are gonna do that because they got that
type of respect. Another thing is relating to the players.
There's sometimes where certain coaches they really can't relate to
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these players. Andy Reid could right. I think Belichick later
in this year is that's why things kind of with
South because he really can't relate to the players. It's
either my way or the highway. Well, that's not always
the case in people you work with or in football,
and I think coach Prime brings the element to the players.
I can really relate them. I can talk him about anything.
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And the next big thing is I think about what
the Cowboys they have an issue with the ownership as
far as can people work with Jerry Jones, right, Mike
McCarthy really good coach. I think was more of Jerry
says this, that's how we're gonna do it. Jason Garrett
another one. Right, we're going whatever says we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
But he Jmax says that I'm not gonna work with Dion.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I think with you know that's going to work with him.
When you have the interview with coach Prime, right, first
of all, the last thing when a championship, I was
on your team, So you know how I get down.
I think when you bring coach Prime in an office
and interview, it's not gonna go just Hey, whatever Jerry
wants to do, what's we doing? Because it's a sense
of respect. Coach Prime has the aora of respect that
you're gonna give him because who he is. Right if
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I want to draft this player, but you might not
want to, it's my team. You get what I'm saying.
I think they can really work together. I think Jerry
needs somebody that can holds him accountable. There's some things
he might send in interviews and media about some coaches
where I don't think he's gonna say that about Dion
because it's a sense of respect. And the last thing
is Jerry likes money. He likes to be talked about.
He likes to make his money. You telling me the
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things that Coach Prime has done for Colorado right in
that town, that city, that team, the money they're making,
all the all the attention they're getting. You bring up
the Dallas Cowboys, and you can win because I'm not
even talking about the winning part. Jackson State, he got
through this store to win it. Colorado they won one
game before he got there. Now there's something to talk
about their winning team. So you bring a winning aspect
to the Cowboys. And then the financial part Jerry loves
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all that. I think they have a really good matchup together.
I just hope it happens finally.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Caleb Williams came out this week and without demanding it,
he said it, and I thought it was smart. And
they ask him what he wants and he goes, well,
you know, leader of men, which what the hell's that means?
He said, you know, it'd be nice to have an
offensive coach. I could grow with. What he was saying
is give me an offensive coach? Like college? Did you
think it mattered? Now you're a running back? But still
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did you feel it was different when you had an
offensive coach not a defense Out college? You had once
that you had a defensive coach. So as an offensive coach,
does it feel different in the locker room, in the
meeting room, film room, does it feel different?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I feel different, especially when you have an offense that's struggling.
Does you have an offense where you go to number
one pick in super talented guy like KILEB. William you
want to surround him with some office geniuses. I look
at guys like Sean McVay. Whatever people thought about Jared
Goff right when he's with the Rams before Sean McVay.
You see the difference, you know what I'm saying. You
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see how he's changed for him. Andy Reid, another guy
is super super smart. Alex Smith. He's with the Diners,
whatever you're the narrative was with him. He got to
the Chiefs, they were winning, he still was productive. I
think Kelly Williams is really really talented. I think he
needs to be around an offensive line that can really
help him out make the game easier for him. You
look over there with the Detroit Lions right now, Jared
Goff is playing phenomenal, But I think you need the talent,
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which the Bears have right, then you need to coaching.
If you watch some of the Lions games, a lot
of that is talent, right, but a lot of that
is like play calling, like wow, did you see that play?
And you see that over and over again. With the Lions.
You bring that type of coordinator to the Bears and
he's the head coach. Everything's gonna be offense first, right.
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I think the Bears for some of the years, defense
has been a good thing since the eighties. But with
Andy Reid, like I remember being with her, with him
is we're going to draft him and Brett Beach the gym.
We're going to draft some office and guys because that's
what we are. You get what I'm saying from now,
that's the approach. I think we go for him to
have a coordinator as far as the head coach for him.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
All right, love having you on the show.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's so comfortable, man, like this shows. It's like my
therapy right here, therapeutic. I love. Who's that guy right there? Though? That? Well,
that's you.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Do you like snow games? You love snow games because
it doesn't hurt when you fall, no like pillows.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I do think that it's gonna be the biggest, the
biggest difference from that game against the Rams, playing that
type of element in the snow. We're used to that,
we play outdoors. It was cold as hell against the Packers.
What's the difference, Jay, Let's do it? Who want to win?
You better?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm hey, you need to show everybody your Eagles dance.
You want to stand up and I saw you doing it.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
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Speaker 4 (20:59):
We got the high, young.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We're ready to go, baby, It's Tom the hood Philly.
Let's go and Jalen Hurts will have a big game
this game against the Rams. Yes he will.
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Speaker 3 (21:41):
Right Colin Shady mccorby's just talking about the weather in Philly,
and boy, it looks like it's gonna be called thirty
four degrees.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
But it doesn't seem that the Rams are daunted.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Rookie defensive end Jarrett Verse throughout a little bulletin board
material saying I hate Eagles fans. They're so annoying When
I see that green and white, I hate it. Actually
get upset, genuinely get hot. Oh my fucking trash had
it going into Philly. This kid is the next great
edge rusher in the NFL. He is unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Has looked pretty damn good.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, Matt Stafford struggles in bad weather, Kyn Williams a
little banged up. I think Philly's run game. I think
Phillies run games. The story. I do think it's got
a chance to be a little low scoring early. I
think these are very very good defenses. I think there'll
be a feeling out process. Eagles have been a little
chilly in the first quarter of scoring, and by the way,
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the Rams, despite what you watched last week, have been
a slow starting offense about half.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Their games, especially outdoors.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So I think it's gonna be a low scoring first half,
but eventually the Eagles pull away.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
First half under twenty two and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Here's some Stafford numbers in the rain and snow calling
that is abysmal. Now we should say he spent a
bunch of his career in Detroit playing on bad Lions teams,
so that's baked into this.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I think goes to the side. I can see the
Rams making it interesting. I just I like the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I'm what can you call him?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
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Niners have both said they want a long term deal,
but forty nine Ers beat Reporter David Lombardi believes Perdy
is in line to landa wait for it, three hundred
and five million dollar deal, averaging a record breaking sixty
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one mil annually, putting him just behind Mahomes in terms
of total values. Now, I'm gonna let that think in
three hundred and five million for brock perty would put
him just ahead of Burrow and behind Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
No, by the way, highest.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Pet, let me ask the question I always asked, what
do you think his rivals think? What do you think
the Rams think of that? You know what the Rams
are doing right now, Chrystall, I.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Think they're chugging Christal but cartwheels perhaps, No, listen, I
just I mean, that's I what am I missing?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Maybe there's a capologist.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
In San Francisco who's got some answers that we're just
not privy too.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
But the idea that he's gonna be at sixty one mili,
that's a little terrifying Vomanana.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You're going to become the Cowboys I mean, seriously, you're
gonna become the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
There's no more room for error at all. None.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You can make a mistake on every position. You can
overpay a safety, you can overpay a receiver. But if
you're overpaying a quarterback, you're talking sixty millions to the
thirty eight You're done. That's like four players.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Here's the kicker.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
He's making what like nine hundred thousand dollars this year.
That has to be one of the biggest leaps in
NFL history. He's got last pick in the draft, you know,
seventh rounder making I think nine hundred somewhere in that
ballpark to sixty one million. Do you know what that's
gonna do to your roster? I we must be missing something.
Maybe you can book this Lombardi guy for next week.
(25:00):
But I just I don't see how this is feasible
or why the Niners would want this.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I just I'm not doubting the writer I would. I'm
rarely shocked in our business. That seems outraged stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, and I'm a brock pretty guy.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Two years here, I've been trying to beat you over
the head with brock pretty positive news. Final story is
not great colin as to the NBA, where former Seattle
SuperSonics legend Gus Williams, who led them to their only
title in nineteen seventy nine, has passed away at the
age of seventy one.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Williams said, two All Star appearances, one All NBA First
Team pick in nineteen eighty two, yep.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And my favorite player the Wizard use usc guy. So
for Sea Seattle Sonic fans, it was you know, Jack Sikma,
Marvin Webster, DJ, Lonnie Shelton, John Johnson. He was for
a short period of time unstoppable in the NBA. The
long wrist bands, he wore like three wristbands in a row.
And there's I'll tell you it was. He was so
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unique as an offensive player. So he was one of
those players that was six to two, like he was
a point guard that scored. So you had DJ at
one guard who was one of the first great defensive guards,
Dennis Johnson, Dennis Johnson who could also score. Uh. And
then they were a tough, physical team with Lonnie Shelton
and Jack sick Men, Marvin Webster. But the Wizard was
like a point guard but a score. He had a
(26:22):
little bit of Alan Iverson where you're like, yeah, he'll
do the scoring and run your offense. So it's like
a little bit like Lamar Jackson, where oh he's your
he's your best back, and he's your quarterback. I talked
to Paul Silas once and I said, Paul Silas played
with him, and I think their championship year when they
beat the Washington Bullets with Kevin Greevy won, Wes Unsell,
(26:43):
Phil Schenier, Elvin Hayes, Bobby Dandrich and I asked him,
I said, Paul am I nuts. I think he's the
most underrated player in NBA history, and he goes, Man.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You're not going to get an argument from me.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
He goes. I saw him every day at practice in
back then you did. You had to listen to radio.
Bob Blackburn was a voice of the Sonics, so a
lot of Gus's games you saw on the road. But
I'm telling you this guy Mount Vernon, New York, which
is where Jim Calhoun and Connecticut did a lot of
their recruiting to build that dynasty in Yukon. This guy
is an all time talent. Do yourself a favor. Go
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to YouTube today and watch the Wizard. Gus Williams as
a kid who grew up with the Seattle Sonics.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
He would hit.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Downtown Freddie Brown off the bench. Those teams were so fun,
long distance, great pacing. One of the I don't know
if the guys that preceded him, but he'd get the
ball in the break and it was like there was
an iverson thing like he could score, he could pass,
he could lead the break. Just so much fun to
watch on those videos.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He looked like a mid range assassin. Was a fee
because of love.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, he was the free throw he was. That team
was a mid range team. It was a he was
free throw extended.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It was money. He was.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You know, he had a little bit as much more
athletic than Alex English. But Alex English was a player
I loved it was a forward like Gus. He was thinned,
he could handle the ball and and Alex English made
a living on fourteen footers, not dunks. And so everybody
at that time was watching Doctor j and all these
you know, these high flying players. Gus didn't dunk. He
loved the leg dunk.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Didn't shoot three.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, but let me give you a I'll tell you
a story. He could have dunk, so Gus Williams could
have dunk. I'm watching Como News in Seattle as a kid,
Como News for in Seattle, and Harry Sloan was a
reporter and he's doing a report a package, and I
never saw Gus Williams dunk. I didn't know if he
could never saw it. And they're behind him. Is Gus
Williams at practice and Gus grabs the ball as Harry's
(28:40):
doing his report and just it's a loose ball in
the ground and he grabs it, does it over the head,
dunk backwards, and I'm like, okay, like you, I thought
he was great, And I'm like, Gus Williams could have
dunked all like John Stockton wasn't dunking. Steph Curry could dunk,
but he doesn't. Gus had so much talent, but he
always kept it in the tank. He always had another gear.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I feel like I just got in a Colin Cowhert
time machine and got a win.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I apologize. Everybody.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
That's good, go off.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You know that's fun.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Johnny Bench, Steve Largent, and Gus Williams. That's who I
grew up with.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Johnny Bench, baseball. Who was the next one?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Steve Largett wide receiver y yep and Gus Williams. I
thought those were my stars growing up that I absolutely love.
George Brett Kansas City was another one.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I was more of a national guy. Patrick Ewing, Magic Johnson.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Kareem mob duels.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Anybody could like those.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
I know exactly well. I was growing up in the
Washington Bullets area. They were terrible.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
All I did was make fun of their players. They
were I mean, they went like twenty five games.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Anybody under fifty five. I apologize for the last four minutes,
but it was a part of my childhood. Gus Williams,
the Wizard.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
We don't have like an MSNBC audience where the average
just seventy.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
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Speaker 1 (31:13):
This is sort of a damning quote coming from Diana Rusini.
I'm going to read you this quote. It'll be on
the TV screen, but for our radio audience, here's the quote.
Jerry Jones was not expecting Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys
to go separate ways. The plan was to bring him back.
(31:33):
They did not have a plan in place here. So
a lot of this is scrambling from what I can gather,
or just I need to figure out how to fix
this quickly. And so now we're seeing the coaches get
called in for Dallas. So Diana Russini reporting that Mike
McCarthy and the agent Don Yee caught them off guard.
(31:55):
Now we had Jordan Schultz yesterday. I believe what happened
is one Mike Rabel signed with New England. McCarthy was
the best coach on the market if he was going
to leave, and I think Don Yee, his agent, said
go ask for the moon, go ask for five years guaranteed,
(32:15):
and Jerry will say no, no, no, no, no, no no no,
that's not going to work. And then Mike said, okay, okay, okay,
I'm gonna go. You know, I'll be fine, jerr and
then he realized he was the number one coach on
the market with Caleb Williams potentially available. I think Mike
McCarthy looked at Drake may And and Caleb Williams as
(32:41):
very interesting, but he didn't think he had a shot
to get the New England job because of Rabel's connection
to Robert Kraft. So I've said this, I think Mike
McCarthy is upgrading because you say to yourself, well, you
know the Chicago Bears, they're very dysfunctional. Well, the Cowboys
now have become very functional. I didn't think that six
(33:02):
years ago. I didn't think that four years ago, but
increasingly they've they've become dysfunctional. So when you start looking
at some of these numbers, the last time the Cowboys
won a playoff game, you know they're in that Jets
territory now, you know, Jags, Jets, Browns, Bear, you know
that weird the last time they, you know, won multiple
playoff games. So you can't deny that. So, you know,
(33:26):
and let's be honest about this. I know he's on
land Man and he is was a wildcatter. Jerry hasn't
won a lot of negotiations recently. The Jalen Smith running
back not good, the Dack not good. You know, it's
for being known as a great negotiator. The d contract,
(33:49):
I thought he got worked.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Twice.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I think he's been worked by DAK and his people,
and I think Mike McCarthy worked him here now again,
you can point at Chicago and roll your eyes, but
Caleb Williams on a rookie deal or Dak at sixty million,
who would you take. I'm taking Caleb Williams. Now, Caleb
may not work, but he's more talented. That's indisputable, much
more talented. And I also think, and I think, listen,
(34:14):
I have I've moved three or four times in my
life cross country, so you know, a lot of people don't,
and that's fine. But McCarthy now has moved a lot.
So McCarthy's gone green Bay. McCarthy was somewhere before Green Bay,
then Green Bay, then Dallas. Now he's moving again. And
when you do move, you look at a lot of
little things that people don't think they matter. But I
(34:34):
think Mike McCarthy looked at Dak's contract. I think he
looked at recent the last couple of drafts, the Cowboys
have really butchered their first couple, their first pick in
the first round, the O line's not very good. They
got one weapon. And I think I think he looks
at Philadelphia's roster, and I also think he watches Jaden
Daniels and thinks, hell, if the New York Giants get
(34:58):
cam Ward or should do or Sanders, we could be
in big trouble here. It's a quarterback league.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And so I think I think Mike.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Smartly, Mike McCarthy looked at this and thought, you know,
and some of it maybe is Jerry's arrogance. Hey, you're
coaching for the Dallas Cowboys. But remember Mike McCarthy doesn't
own any part of the Dallas Cowboys. He doesn't care
about merchandise sales, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't own any part of Fox, you know what
I mean? Like I work at Fox, Mike McCarthy works
for Dallas. He's an employee. So Jerry sees it's different.
For Jerry, it's different in two different you know, it's
a different environment, a different reality. You're just an employee.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So uh.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And the other the other thing is is I think
Jerry wanted to bring Mike McCarthy back, but Jerry wanted
it on a short term deal, and McCarthy just said,
I want five. Sometimes in negotiations you asked for stuff
that you think you can get, but you probably won't.
And sometimes you ask for stuff if you want to
leave that you know you can't get. I want blanketty blank.
(36:01):
We were not giving you that. Well, that's what I want.
So there's a lot of game playing in this stuff,
and I think McCarthy did a really good job. You know,
if you go back, there's a Cowboy survey that's out
right now among the fan base. Let's put that on
the screen. So this from the Athletic, this is from
Cowboy fans, and fans tend to be more favorable to
local teams. Cowboy fans aren't. They did not approve. Seventy
(36:25):
eight percent of Cowboy fans, almost seventy nine did not
approve of the way Jerry handled the McCarthy decision. That's
that is a number, man. And then the second draft
from the Athletic survey, it's the Cowboys fan survey was
do you believe the Cowboys are moving in the right direction?
(36:45):
That was six percent. You're not sure what to think,
You're hoping for the best that was forty percent. Or
the franchise is lost, there's no reason for hope fifty
four percent. Now it is the NFL, so there's always hope.
You can go from the Texans to the playoffs very
very quickly, Chargers to the Chargers very very quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So there's always hope.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Who would you like to see the Cowboys higher as
of right now?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
So this is interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
The Cowboy fans would like to see Ben Johnson, and
a lot of people got like six to seven to
ten percent. Ben Johnson twenty two percent, Mike Tomlin sixteen,
Dion sixteen, Belichick eight, Kellen Moore seven, Pete Carrollson. So
Ben Johnson's the hot coordinator seen as young, smart, cool.
I would like to inform Cowboy fans he will not
(37:32):
be bringing the Lions offensive line or run game. So
the Lions offensive line is first or second in the league,
and their running back room is the most talented in
the league. The Cowboys running back room is the least
talented in the NFL, and they're all lines somewhere in
the bottom half of the league. And I like Ben Johnson.
I think he's a good candidate, but he's not bringing
Detroit down to Dallas. So all this stuff is very
(37:55):
very interesting, very very interesting. One other story that pique
my interest per a source with knowledge of the situation,
not Cowboys, Cliff Kingsbury and Washington. Kingsbury has decided to
wait until the season is over, which is probably this weekend,
(38:20):
before interviewing with interested teams for the head coaching vacancies. Now,
I like Cliff Kingsbury, do not know him, know a
lot of people that do. I'm a fan of him,
But I do think, and I've seen this my entire life,
a lot of people are great number twos, and I
think Kingsbury's a two. The greatest example is Steve Spagnola
(38:42):
of Kansas City, who was a disaster as a head
coach and is the best defensive coordinator in the NFL.
Josh McDaniels has six rings fired twice as a head coach.
So I think Cliff Kingsbury is creative, fun, cool, but
his teams get very loose because he tends to be there.
Every great college or a pro football coach has a
(39:03):
little drill sergeant in them, a little some five percent,
some thirty percent. Saban has it, Kirby Smart has it,
Harball had little drill sergeant.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
He's a former player, kind of views himself as a player,
very player friendly. I think he's very creative and very smart.
But you know, it's funny. I was reading a story
this morning on Lorne Michaels. Lorne Michaels isn't funny, but
he knows funny, right, He's the CEO of funny. It's
Saturday Night Live for all these years. Fascinating story, by
(39:35):
the way, It's in the New Yorker. And then then
Steve Jobs was not the best engineer, but he had
a little bit of artist, a little bit of salesman,
a little bit of engineer. Some guys are not the
best x as An O's guy on his staff, but
they're the best coach. Sean Payton and Andy Reid are
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great x as and O's guys, so was Belichick on defense,
and they're great coaches. But there's a lot of coaches.
The term is walk around coach. Jimmy Johnson had a
lot of this. Jimmy was very good at feeling the
temperature of his team, A very good psychologist, very good
like Parcels at building staffs, like a Lord Michael's at
(40:18):
Saturday Night Live. Some young some old, some snarky, some loose.
If you read the article, it felt like they were
talking about a coach that built a staff or a
GM that built a staff, and that Cliff is somebody
I would want on my staff. I don't necessarily think
he is a head coach, but I could be wrong.
(40:38):
You know, when it comes to head coaches, a lot
of it's just who's your quarterback. So we'll see Cliff
Kingsbury right now. Steve Spaggs is the best defensive coordinator
in football. Dick Lebol for years in Pittsburgh was an
unbelievable defensive courtner they were twos. We've had some interesting
vice presidents, most or vice presidents. You know, Reagan never
(41:00):
like he'd be a vice president. He was going to
be a president. Some guys are people are vice presidents,
some are are presidents. Some are great in sales, but
you wouldn't want to running the company. And so it's
just interesting the names that are out there. I can
like somebody and think they're brilliant. I'd love Josh McDaniels
or Cliff Kingsbury as my coordinator, love them. But I've
seen Josh a couple of times in Cliff a couple
(41:21):
of times, it may not work their personality, you know,
or maybe I'm wrong and it's just they didn't have
When they were head coach they got Tebow, or they
were head coach they got Kyler Murray. Maybe they didn't
get the right quarterback. A lot of times with a coach.
I'm about fifty to fifty on this stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Who's your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
That's why I say, whoever takes the Cowboys over when
Dak comes back, you'll probably win like ten games.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
The best job.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
The Patriots job, in my opinion, was the best job
because of ownership stability in Drake may Is off the board. Bears, Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders,
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I been so Shady McCoy a.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Couple of minutes.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You got your picks, next hour. This is many people believe.
This is the best weekend of the year in football.
Divisional round playoffs. Next weekend's championship, and then you get
a couple weeks off of the Super Bowl. We'll be
in New Orleans for the Super Bowl. Getting their Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You gotta hit on Shady's case. I think I saw
him pick the Ravens. Didn't he play for the Buffalo bills.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
At one point, doesn't matter. He's a journalist. Now he's
got to take only sees and the truth. All right,
here we go, not that many games. I'm picking four
fire away.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins Blazing five sponsored
by Draft Gicks, Texans and Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I don't love eight and a half, but I'm gonna
swallow it. I'm gonna lay it and take Kansas City.
Two of their last three wins have come by ten
plus points, undefeated at home thirteen and four off up
by under Andy Reid. And they don't give the ball
away anymore. Seven straight games without a giveaway.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
C J.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Stroud has never been the same quarterback on the road
warm weather team in really cold weather. And I also
think the Texans benefited from those interceptions against Justin Herbert.
That's not gonna happen. They're missing there. Two of their
top three received. Joe Mixon's banged up And if you
look at c. J. Stroud on the road versus teams
that made the playoffs in his career zero to five
(02:09):
passer rating at seventy one. I think the Chiefs win
by nine. I wish the number was better thirty to
twenty one. Take Kansas City Rams at Eagles. It's my
favorite bet of the weekend. I like Philadelphia, Inclement weather
is going to favor the better O line, the better
run game. I mean, they held the number eight scoring
(02:32):
offense Packers to ten points in the wild card win.
They have the number one offensive line and the number
two rushing offense, and they're gonna give it to Saquon Barkley,
who's been on a heater seven of his last eight games,
plus one hundred yards. The Rams, listen, they took advantage
of a bad old line and they've got a very
good defensive line. They were at home. Now it's a
short week. They allowed one hundred and twenty four big
(02:53):
plays this year, so you can beat him downfield. And
let's be honest. Matt Stafford in his career rain and
snow games one in eight, he is not the same quarterback.
Eagles win twenty eight to twenty, pull away in the
second half.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ravens aid Bill, I like the.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Bills nine to zero at home. They lead the NFL
with thirteen games of thirty plus points, and they don't
give the ball away. They're like Kansas City. They're very clean,
fewest giveaways and fewest sacks allowed in the NFL season,
which is wild for how a dynamic they are as
an offense. Josh Allen's been a good playoff quarterback Lamar
Jackson three and four in his playoff career. He's missing
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Za Flowers, who may play but hasn't practice. I gotta
be honest in a big playoff spot, Lamar's been a
bit tense. He's gotten better, but a bit tense, a
little anxious. Josh Allen has been great. I just think
I think Buffalo my guest today, I think Buffalo wins
the super Bowl. That's my take. I think this is
the best version Josh Allen's had. I'm gonna take the
(03:56):
points and take Buffalo twenty eight to twenty four.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Ohio State versus Notre Day.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'm taking the under forty six and a half. I'm
gonna stay away from the spread. These are unbelievable defenses. Okay,
if you go look at Ohio State, they held Texas
to fourteen points. They held nine straight up points to
twenty one points. Reviewer and the Irish are missing a
couple offensive linemen we don't think they'll play, and their
offense is okay. Notre Dame meanwhile lead the country with
(04:25):
thirty three takeaways, unbelievably well coached on defense, excellent secondary.
Opposing quarterbacks had twelve passing touchdowns and nineteen interceptions. They
will Howard can lose his confidence. So Notre Dame in
Ohio State, if you look at their defensive rankings this year,
you're looking at Krem Dela Crem. Points allowed they were
(04:48):
one and two, passing yards allowed one and two. I
don't think Notre Dame has the offensive fire power to win,
but I'm gonna take the under forty six and a
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I still can't believe the Buffalo Bills are getting points
at home. And I know the wise guys like Baltimore,
and I know you can run the football on the Bills.
I get that, But I'm going to take a couple
of big favorites to cover the Chiefs and Eagles. Take
the under on Notre Dame Ohio State. In with that
couple of championships, Shady McCoy you see him on the facility,
(05:35):
is now joining us. Well that's how I see the world.
Let me serious question, all right, right, serious.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I'm knowing from Tom Tatar Jaden. You know, Okay, I
want to know how well do.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You normally do well? I had a very bad year
because we talked about this. Favorites did very well this year,
and I like underdogs. I well, you had a good
year then, so has the playoffs have started? Now I'm
taken in college football. I'm taking favorites. So I want
to ask you about the Rams and Eagles. I said this,
(06:09):
you know Philadelphia. Well, so there's always a couple in
your social circle or a family, and you fight and
you argue, and you're like, these people don't like each other,
and yet nobody gets divorced.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They stay together forever.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And you're like, who is battling?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
They're always fighting?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And I think to myself with Nick Sirianni, he looks ornery, tired,
he's feisty, But so is Philadelphia. Doug Peterson was too chill,
and Chip Kelly was a little West coast, you know, remote,
And here's Nick, who'd get in a fist fight with
you if it wasn't for Big Dom. And my takeaway
is maybe I'm wrong, is that Nick Sirianni is Philly.
(06:46):
He acts like Philly, he's emotional like Philly. And the
players and the fans feet of him.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
They love Nick Sirianni. You know who loves the most
are the players. Every player I ask from from the
role players to the superstars, right to the franchise guys,
they love Nick Sirianni. He's that type of coach where
you can relate to him, right, have an Ishane locker room,
you can talk to him, and he's fired up in
the games, in practice, and you see it. One thing
about Nick Sirianni is like he's the type of guy
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he wears his emotions on the sleeve. And I think
in Philadelphia is that type of place. There's a lot
of players, there's a lot of coaches that can't coach
or play in Philadelphia. The media is too tough, the
fans are too tough. Right, things get aggressive. It's a
tough city and Nick Sirianni is perfect for it. And
this is the reason why it's not an accident that
this guy is a winner. Every year he's been in Philadelphi,
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he's been to the playoffs, he's been took this team
to the super Bowl. Right We look at Jalen Hurts
how far he's come from his rookie season to right now,
and a lot of credit goes to Nick Sirianni. You
talk about getting the players in there, A lot of
has to do with Howie Rose from the GM, but
also Nick Gianna and him working together getting them players.
Find a guy like Jalen Carter to be the most
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dominant guy on defense in football. So I can say
a million great things about Nick Sirianne. I would love
if I was playing, I would love him to be
my coach.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know, I think the Rams are a little like
the Packers. I think they're another draft away. I think
they need a corner on the left tackle. I think
they need a speed receiver. I think they probably need
another defensive tackle. They're a very young defense. Philadelphia gets
in your head. I mean, were you ever on a
team or when you when you were an Eagle that
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you you faced the team and they were good, but
they were young and Philly on Saturday or Sunday in
a PLAYFK. It's just too big for him.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I can see that, Like I guess as we're
speaking in its existence, I can see how you come
up with big win. Right, you beat the Vikings out right,
and everything is going on in La with the with
the wild fox and acceteriality, sacks. Everybody played well, and
now everybody's like, yo, the Rams might be a team
that can potentially beat the big time egs. So you
get to Philadelphia and that weather comes in to play
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with the snow and get them fans involved, and then
you see that running game again. See one thing about
football players you don't really like forget And as good
as the the Rams team did against what they play
the Vikings, when you played Eus is different like we
played it before. We are running back at two and
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fifty five yards rushing like that did happen? If you
really watch that game, you see how the offensive line
really controlled the line of scrimmagts Well.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Could have had another forty yards rushing sat he sat down.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Sat down. So I just think that, like, you didn't
forget that in this game right where in football you
get paid a lot a lot of money to kick butt, right,
I want you to dominate this other guy on the
other side of the field, and we do that best
now I think Jalen Hurts has a better performance than
he did against the Packers. They are in trouble. They
are in trouble.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I'm gonna ask you a question. This is a weird question.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I can assure you you've never been asked this because
as I watched Saquon Barkley, when you're running back and
you go through the hole and you know violence is coming,
it's coming, do you look for shades of colors? So
I watched a couple of times against Green Bay and
he didn't look directly at the defender. You never do,
but it was as if he just sees from his
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peripheral vision a color. So when you were doing that,
how do you see players coming through a gap but
your head's here. Do you get sort of intuned and
it becomes part of your style that you're just moving
away from the colors on the team, Because I don't
know how he makes so many damn people miss without
seeing them.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, you know, it's crazy. I don't know, man, you
might in your other life there running back because that's
how we see it, right. The best running backs are
the running backs that feel it right and you see color.
You never look at the person. If I look at
the defender, he sees me. I see him then he could.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So you see color, you see color, you.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Feel and you see color. So as I'm running through
the hole right, you don't look at it, but you
see the guy coming. He's coming full with speed, and
you jump cuts it right. You get I say, if
you watch sain Kwon Barkley, he always reacts to what
the defense does. The one play had against the Green
Bay right, it was the first so they funneled the
first kickoff right. The next run, I think say Kwan
got about twelve yards to the left to play with
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to the right. He felt the color shift into the right.
He makes his jump cut and spins to the left.
That's what a running back does. The best running backs
they feel and they see, not players, they see color.
You know what.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's a little like I'm so out of my element here,
but I love you. I was shifty, But it's almost
like I've seen this before. If you get into a
hip hop space in the studio and somebody's got the
melody right and you're just kind.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Of riffing, that's true.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yes, that's a little bit the running backs life that
you're kind of like, give me the melody, give me
the hole, and I'm going to kind of add lib
and riff. And there's some basic things like basic lyrics
I have in my head, but I'm going to kind
of add lib to the melody. And that's how I
see a running back totally right.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And there's so many different types of running backs. Like
a guy like Deck Henry, he's just different, right, he
doesn't mind conned, he doesn't mind it, so he'll look
at that God, Okay, we'll bring it on. But a
guy like Saquon because he is big, but he is
so explosive. And when you get a defender that you
don't look at right and you don't make eyes, you.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Can keep full speed.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
He full speed because he don't know that you see him.
As matter of fact, the first long running had against
the Rams, right, he ran up the holes, a big
hole runs through it and as the Saintany's coming right,
Saquon doesn't even look at him. Okay, he feels that color.
He jumps cut to the right and it was a touchdown.
Like that's a simple example of not really like looking
at the defender, but feeling him and knowing he's there.
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It's like it's like you're selling something to somebody. Right,
You're making a defender believe that I don't see you,
and I'm running straight and you think you're gonna hit
me right, and soon you get so close. Then I
jumped cut because I felt that color. And if you
watch a lot of Saquon Barkley's runs, man, he just
shows you like.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He doesn't look at defenders and yet pivots. He feels
the power. He's setting everybody up. He's he's like a
chess player. The two plays two moves ahead and sa
quwon probably thinking right now, by Coward, When I want
to talk about running backs, I go to CA, he.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Might call you. He might call you first before you
call me. Okay, Ravens Bills, what's a good one? Maybe? Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Here here's the thing. They're they're both great. Let's get
over it. And Lamar's gotten better in the last couple playffics. Yes,
he's been a bit tight. And we've seen this with
baseball players Barry Bonds a rod where they're just they
get golfers in the eighteenth get a little in your head.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
People on TV talking about it every day, and as
a player, you trying to block it out. You hear
it everywhere you go, social media, grocery stores, you know,
to match up, you hit a rumors, the narrative, can
you win playoff games? Josh, here's it. Lamar definitely hears it.
So they hear them things.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
When you ever got nervous, forget about playing better or worse?
How did it affect your game? Was there a game
where you were anxious? Did it affect your game? Were
your tentative? I mean, because I do feel sometimes he's
a bit tentative. Aaron Rodgers could do this. If he
threw it pick in a big game, he'd get a
little safe. Aaron would He wouldn't let it rep right
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Sam Darnold against the Rams a couple of times after
he got sacked.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
You can tell, yes, yeah, that's a different story. But
I give what you're saying. And I think every player,
especially the superstars, they go through this because all the pressure
is on you, all right. If the I don't know,
if the slot cornerback has a bad game for the Ravens,
We're not gonna come on TV and talk about We're
gonna talk about the main guys. And I think sometimes
with a lot of the superstar players, like the Josh
Allen's and Lamars. You're talking about the pastor Majhones and
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actually played with these these two guys, Josh and Pat.
Sometimes the games, they gotta calm down, right, You get anxious,
you can't wait. You've been waiting all week for this game.
It's the only game on TV. Everybody's watching. Every neighborhood,
every neighbor neighbor is watching this game. So you kind
of get antsy. And then there's sometimes you gotta relax, Okay,
let's calm down. Might take a serious or two.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So sometimes you had to like, oh, for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
There's times in a game where I can't wait the
ball out right, and maybe my first carry, you know,
I'm stepping over my feet. I'm not really comfortable, right,
And then I get hit. Okay, okay, Shadey McCoy convey
ill relax, and then I get back to this the
basis and plans.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It's interesting. There's a there's a clip on the internet
with Belichick telling Brady early in the Super Bowl. He's like, hey,
settle down, calm down, step into the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The simple thing. That's the basics, right, But you get
so so anxious. Oh he's open take any ease. The
same with running backs.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, now we I'm not going to talk Chiefs Lions,
they're heavy favorites. I'm going to get to two other things.
Dian was about a five hundred coach in college. But
I do think he has a connection of players that
other coaches don't.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
He do.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Tell me why I take it. You think it would
work and you would hire him?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I would. I think, especially players in the NFL, it's
about a respect thing. There's a lot of players that
may play for a coach because this is my job,
right and I have to do this. I have to
My job is run the ball blog, I do everything.
But sometimes you have coaches that whatever he says, if
I think it's right or wrong, I'm gonna do it.
But it's not that type of respect for him. That's
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who Deon Sanders is. That's the prime time players respect
coach prime or what he stands for. Another guy, Andy
Reid Andy Ree could tell everybody, hey man, go out
there and run through the wall, and ninety nine percent
of players are gonna do that because they got that
type of respect. Another thing is relating to the players.
There's sometimes where certain coaches they really can't relate to
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these players. Andy Reid could right. I think Belichick later
in this year is that's why things kind of with
South because he really can't relate to the players. It's
either my way or the highway. Well, that's not always
the case in people you work with or in football,
and I think coach Prime brings the element to the players.
I can really relate them. I can talk him about anything.
(16:45):
And the next big thing is I think about what
the Cowboys they have an issue with the ownership as
far as can people work with Jerry Jones, right, Mike
McCarthy really good coach. I think was more of Jerry
says this, that's how we're gonna do it. Jason Garrett
another one. Right, we're going whatever says we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
But he Jmax says that I'm not gonna work with Dion.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I think with you know that's going to work with him.
When you have the interview with coach Prime, right, first
of all, the last thing when a championship, I was
on your team, So you know how I get down.
I think when you bring coach Prime in an office
and interview, it's not gonna go just Hey, whatever Jerry
wants to do, what's we doing? Because it's a sense
of respect. Coach Prime has the aora of respect that
you're gonna give him because who he is. Right if
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I want to draft this player, but you might not
want to, it's my team. You get what I'm saying.
I think they can really work together. I think Jerry
needs somebody that can holds him accountable. There's some things
he might send in interviews and media about some coaches
where I don't think he's gonna say that about Dion
because it's a sense of respect. And the last thing
is Jerry likes money. He likes to be talked about.
He likes to make his money. You telling me the
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things that Coach Prime has done for Colorado right in
that town, that city, that team, the money they're making,
all the all the attention they're getting. You bring up
the Dallas Cowboys, and you can win because I'm not
even talking about the winning part. Jackson State, he got
through this store to win it. Colorado they won one
game before he got there. Now there's something to talk
about their winning team. So you bring a winning aspect
to the Cowboys. And then the financial part Jerry loves
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all that. I think they have a really good matchup together.
I just hope it happens finally.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Caleb Williams came out this week and without demanding it,
he said it, and I thought it was smart. And
they ask him what he wants and he goes, well,
you know, leader of men, which what the hell's that means?
He said, you know, it'd be nice to have an
offensive coach. I could grow with. What he was saying
is give me an offensive coach? Like college? Did you
think it mattered? Now you're a running back? But still
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did you feel it was different when you had an
offensive coach not a defense Out college? You had once
that you had a defensive coach. So as an offensive coach,
does it feel different in the locker room, in the
meeting room, film room, does it feel different?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I feel different, especially when you have an offense that's struggling.
Does you have an offense where you go to number
one pick in super talented guy like KILEB. William you
want to surround him with some office geniuses. I look
at guys like Sean McVay. Whatever people thought about Jared
Goff right when he's with the Rams before Sean McVay.
You see the difference, you know what I'm saying. You
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see how he's changed for him. Andy Reid, another guy
is super super smart. Alex Smith. He's with the Diners,
whatever you're the narrative was with him. He got to
the Chiefs, they were winning, he still was productive. I
think Kelly Williams is really really talented. I think he
needs to be around an offensive line that can really
help him out make the game easier for him. You
look over there with the Detroit Lions right now, Jared
Goff is playing phenomenal, But I think you need the talent,
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which the Bears have right, then you need to coaching.
If you watch some of the Lions games, a lot
of that is talent, right, but a lot of that
is like play calling, like wow, did you see that play?
And you see that over and over again. With the Lions.
You bring that type of coordinator to the Bears and
he's the head coach. Everything's gonna be offense first, right.
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I think the Bears for some of the years, defense
has been a good thing since the eighties. But with
Andy Reid, like I remember being with her, with him
is we're going to draft him and Brett Beach the gym.
We're going to draft some office and guys because that's
what we are. You get what I'm saying from now,
that's the approach. I think we go for him to
have a coordinator as far as the head coach for him.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
All right, love having you on the show.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's so comfortable, man, like this shows. It's like my
therapy right here, therapeutic. I love. Who's that guy right there? Though? That? Well,
that's you.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Do you like snow games? You love snow games because
it doesn't hurt when you fall, no like pillows.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I do think that it's gonna be the biggest, the
biggest difference from that game against the Rams, playing that
type of element in the snow. We're used to that,
we play outdoors. It was cold as hell against the Packers.
What's the difference, Jay, Let's do it? Who want to win?
You better?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm hey, you need to show everybody your Eagles dance.
You want to stand up and I saw you doing it.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You said it early. Check check out my shady McCoy
on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
We got the high, young.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We're ready to go, baby, It's Tom the hood Philly.
Let's go and Jalen Hurts will have a big game
this game against the Rams. Yes he will.
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Speaker 3 (21:41):
Right Colin Shady mccorby's just talking about the weather in Philly,
and boy, it looks like it's gonna be called thirty
four degrees.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
But it doesn't seem that the Rams are daunted.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Rookie defensive end Jarrett Verse throughout a little bulletin board
material saying I hate Eagles fans. They're so annoying When
I see that green and white, I hate it. Actually
get upset, genuinely get hot. Oh my fucking trash had
it going into Philly. This kid is the next great
edge rusher in the NFL. He is unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Has looked pretty damn good.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, Matt Stafford struggles in bad weather, Kyn Williams a
little banged up. I think Philly's run game. I think
Phillies run games. The story. I do think it's got
a chance to be a little low scoring early. I
think these are very very good defenses. I think there'll
be a feeling out process. Eagles have been a little
chilly in the first quarter of scoring, and by the way,
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the Rams, despite what you watched last week, have been
a slow starting offense about half.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Their games, especially outdoors.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So I think it's gonna be a low scoring first half,
but eventually the Eagles pull away.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
First half under twenty two and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Here's some Stafford numbers in the rain and snow calling
that is abysmal. Now we should say he spent a
bunch of his career in Detroit playing on bad Lions teams,
so that's baked into this.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I think goes to the side. I can see the
Rams making it interesting. I just I like the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I'm what can you call him?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Next up is the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
The big off season ahead for Brock Purty, one of
the top ten quarterbacks in the NFL. Party and the
Niners have both said they want a long term deal,
but forty nine Ers beat Reporter David Lombardi believes Perdy
is in line to landa wait for it, three hundred
and five million dollar deal, averaging a record breaking sixty
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one mil annually, putting him just behind Mahomes in terms
of total values. Now, I'm gonna let that think in
three hundred and five million for brock perty would put
him just ahead of Burrow and behind Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
No, by the way, highest.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Pet, let me ask the question I always asked, what
do you think his rivals think? What do you think
the Rams think of that? You know what the Rams
are doing right now, Chrystall, I.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Think they're chugging Christal but cartwheels perhaps, No, listen, I
just I mean, that's I what am I missing?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Maybe there's a capologist.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
In San Francisco who's got some answers that we're just
not privy too.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
But the idea that he's gonna be at sixty one mili,
that's a little terrifying Vomanana.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You're going to become the Cowboys I mean, seriously, you're
gonna become the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
There's no more room for error at all. None.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You can make a mistake on every position. You can
overpay a safety, you can overpay a receiver. But if
you're overpaying a quarterback, you're talking sixty millions to the
thirty eight You're done. That's like four players.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Here's the kicker.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
He's making what like nine hundred thousand dollars this year.
That has to be one of the biggest leaps in
NFL history. He's got last pick in the draft, you know,
seventh rounder making I think nine hundred somewhere in that
ballpark to sixty one million. Do you know what that's
gonna do to your roster? I we must be missing something.
Maybe you can book this Lombardi guy for next week.
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But I just I don't see how this is feasible
or why the Niners would want this.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I just I'm not doubting the writer I would. I'm
rarely shocked in our business. That seems outraged stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, and I'm a brock pretty guy.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Two years here, I've been trying to beat you over
the head with brock pretty positive news. Final story is
not great colin as to the NBA, where former Seattle
SuperSonics legend Gus Williams, who led them to their only
title in nineteen seventy nine, has passed away at the
age of seventy one.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Williams said, two All Star appearances, one All NBA First
Team pick in nineteen eighty two, yep.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And my favorite player the Wizard use usc guy. So
for Sea Seattle Sonic fans, it was you know, Jack Sikma,
Marvin Webster, DJ, Lonnie Shelton, John Johnson. He was for
a short period of time unstoppable in the NBA. The
long wrist bands, he wore like three wristbands in a row.
And there's I'll tell you it was. He was so
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unique as an offensive player. So he was one of
those players that was six to two, like he was
a point guard that scored. So you had DJ at
one guard who was one of the first great defensive guards,
Dennis Johnson, Dennis Johnson who could also score. Uh. And
then they were a tough, physical team with Lonnie Shelton
and Jack sick Men, Marvin Webster. But the Wizard was
like a point guard but a score. He had a
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little bit of Alan Iverson where you're like, yeah, he'll
do the scoring and run your offense. So it's like
a little bit like Lamar Jackson, where oh he's your
he's your best back, and he's your quarterback. I talked
to Paul Silas once and I said, Paul Silas played
with him, and I think their championship year when they
beat the Washington Bullets with Kevin Greevy won, Wes Unsell,
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Phil Schenier, Elvin Hayes, Bobby Dandrich and I asked him,
I said, Paul am I nuts. I think he's the
most underrated player in NBA history, and he goes, Man.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You're not going to get an argument from me.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
He goes. I saw him every day at practice in
back then you did. You had to listen to radio.
Bob Blackburn was a voice of the Sonics, so a
lot of Gus's games you saw on the road. But
I'm telling you this guy Mount Vernon, New York, which
is where Jim Calhoun and Connecticut did a lot of
their recruiting to build that dynasty in Yukon. This guy
is an all time talent. Do yourself a favor. Go
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to YouTube today and watch the Wizard. Gus Williams as
a kid who grew up with the Seattle Sonics.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
He would hit.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Downtown Freddie Brown off the bench. Those teams were so fun,
long distance, great pacing. One of the I don't know
if the guys that preceded him, but he'd get the
ball in the break and it was like there was
an iverson thing like he could score, he could pass,
he could lead the break. Just so much fun to
watch on those videos.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He looked like a mid range assassin. Was a fee
because of love.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, he was the free throw he was. That team
was a mid range team. It was a he was
free throw extended.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It was money. He was.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You know, he had a little bit as much more
athletic than Alex English. But Alex English was a player
I loved it was a forward like Gus. He was thinned,
he could handle the ball and and Alex English made
a living on fourteen footers, not dunks. And so everybody
at that time was watching Doctor j and all these
you know, these high flying players. Gus didn't dunk. He
loved the leg dunk.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Didn't shoot three.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, but let me give you a I'll tell you
a story. He could have dunk, so Gus Williams could
have dunk. I'm watching Como News in Seattle as a kid,
Como News for in Seattle, and Harry Sloan was a
reporter and he's doing a report a package, and I
never saw Gus Williams dunk. I didn't know if he
could never saw it. And they're behind him. Is Gus
Williams at practice and Gus grabs the ball as Harry's
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doing his report and just it's a loose ball in
the ground and he grabs it, does it over the head,
dunk backwards, and I'm like, okay, like you, I thought
he was great, And I'm like, Gus Williams could have
dunked all like John Stockton wasn't dunking. Steph Curry could dunk,
but he doesn't. Gus had so much talent, but he
always kept it in the tank. He always had another gear.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I feel like I just got in a Colin Cowhert
time machine and got a win.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I apologize. Everybody.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
That's good, go off.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You know that's fun.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Johnny Bench, Steve Largent, and Gus Williams. That's who I
grew up with.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Johnny Bench, baseball. Who was the next one?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Steve Largett wide receiver y yep and Gus Williams. I
thought those were my stars growing up that I absolutely love.
George Brett Kansas City was another one.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
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Kareem mob duels.
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Anybody could like those.
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All I did was make fun of their players. They
were I mean, they went like twenty five games.
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Anybody under fifty five. I apologize for the last four minutes,
but it was a part of my childhood. Gus Williams,
the Wizard.
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just seventy.
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Speaker 1 (31:13):
This is sort of a damning quote coming from Diana Rusini.
I'm going to read you this quote. It'll be on
the TV screen, but for our radio audience, here's the quote.
Jerry Jones was not expecting Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys
to go separate ways. The plan was to bring him back.
(31:33):
They did not have a plan in place here. So
a lot of this is scrambling from what I can gather,
or just I need to figure out how to fix
this quickly. And so now we're seeing the coaches get
called in for Dallas. So Diana Russini reporting that Mike
McCarthy and the agent Don Yee caught them off guard.
(31:55):
Now we had Jordan Schultz yesterday. I believe what happened
is one Mike Rabel signed with New England. McCarthy was
the best coach on the market if he was going
to leave, and I think Don Yee, his agent, said
go ask for the moon, go ask for five years guaranteed,
(32:15):
and Jerry will say no, no, no, no, no, no no no,
that's not going to work. And then Mike said, okay, okay, okay,
I'm gonna go. You know, I'll be fine, jerr and
then he realized he was the number one coach on
the market with Caleb Williams potentially available. I think Mike
McCarthy looked at Drake may And and Caleb Williams as
(32:41):
very interesting, but he didn't think he had a shot
to get the New England job because of Rabel's connection
to Robert Kraft. So I've said this, I think Mike
McCarthy is upgrading because you say to yourself, well, you
know the Chicago Bears, they're very dysfunctional. Well, the Cowboys
now have become very functional. I didn't think that six
(33:02):
years ago. I didn't think that four years ago, but
increasingly they've they've become dysfunctional. So when you start looking
at some of these numbers, the last time the Cowboys
won a playoff game, you know they're in that Jets
territory now, you know, Jags, Jets, Browns, Bear, you know
that weird the last time they, you know, won multiple
playoff games. So you can't deny that. So, you know,
(33:26):
and let's be honest about this. I know he's on
land Man and he is was a wildcatter. Jerry hasn't
won a lot of negotiations recently. The Jalen Smith running
back not good, the Dack not good. You know, it's
for being known as a great negotiator. The d contract,
(33:49):
I thought he got worked.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Twice.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I think he's been worked by DAK and his people,
and I think Mike McCarthy worked him here now again,
you can point at Chicago and roll your eyes, but
Caleb Williams on a rookie deal or Dak at sixty million,
who would you take. I'm taking Caleb Williams. Now, Caleb
may not work, but he's more talented. That's indisputable, much
more talented. And I also think, and I think, listen,
(34:14):
I have I've moved three or four times in my
life cross country, so you know, a lot of people don't,
and that's fine. But McCarthy now has moved a lot.
So McCarthy's gone green Bay. McCarthy was somewhere before Green Bay,
then Green Bay, then Dallas. Now he's moving again. And
when you do move, you look at a lot of
little things that people don't think they matter. But I
(34:34):
think Mike McCarthy looked at Dak's contract. I think he
looked at recent the last couple of drafts, the Cowboys
have really butchered their first couple, their first pick in
the first round, the O line's not very good. They
got one weapon. And I think I think he looks
at Philadelphia's roster, and I also think he watches Jaden
Daniels and thinks, hell, if the New York Giants get
(34:58):
cam Ward or should do or Sanders, we could be
in big trouble here. It's a quarterback league.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And so I think I think Mike.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Smartly, Mike McCarthy looked at this and thought, you know,
and some of it maybe is Jerry's arrogance. Hey, you're
coaching for the Dallas Cowboys. But remember Mike McCarthy doesn't
own any part of the Dallas Cowboys. He doesn't care
about merchandise sales, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't own any part of Fox, you know what
I mean? Like I work at Fox, Mike McCarthy works
for Dallas. He's an employee. So Jerry sees it's different.
For Jerry, it's different in two different you know, it's
a different environment, a different reality. You're just an employee.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So uh.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And the other the other thing is is I think
Jerry wanted to bring Mike McCarthy back, but Jerry wanted
it on a short term deal, and McCarthy just said,
I want five. Sometimes in negotiations you asked for stuff
that you think you can get, but you probably won't.
And sometimes you ask for stuff if you want to
leave that you know you can't get. I want blanketty blank.
(36:01):
We were not giving you that. Well, that's what I want.
So there's a lot of game playing in this stuff,
and I think McCarthy did a really good job. You know,
if you go back, there's a Cowboy survey that's out
right now among the fan base. Let's put that on
the screen. So this from the Athletic, this is from
Cowboy fans, and fans tend to be more favorable to
local teams. Cowboy fans aren't. They did not approve. Seventy
(36:25):
eight percent of Cowboy fans, almost seventy nine did not
approve of the way Jerry handled the McCarthy decision. That's
that is a number, man. And then the second draft
from the Athletic survey, it's the Cowboys fan survey was
do you believe the Cowboys are moving in the right direction?
(36:45):
That was six percent. You're not sure what to think,
You're hoping for the best that was forty percent. Or
the franchise is lost, there's no reason for hope fifty
four percent. Now it is the NFL, so there's always hope.
You can go from the Texans to the playoffs very
very quickly, Chargers to the Chargers very very quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So there's always hope.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Who would you like to see the Cowboys higher as
of right now?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
So this is interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
The Cowboy fans would like to see Ben Johnson, and
a lot of people got like six to seven to
ten percent. Ben Johnson twenty two percent, Mike Tomlin sixteen,
Dion sixteen, Belichick eight, Kellen Moore seven, Pete Carrollson. So
Ben Johnson's the hot coordinator seen as young, smart, cool.
I would like to inform Cowboy fans he will not
(37:32):
be bringing the Lions offensive line or run game. So
the Lions offensive line is first or second in the league,
and their running back room is the most talented in
the league. The Cowboys running back room is the least
talented in the NFL, and they're all lines somewhere in
the bottom half of the league. And I like Ben Johnson.
I think he's a good candidate, but he's not bringing
Detroit down to Dallas. So all this stuff is very
(37:55):
very interesting, very very interesting. One other story that pique
my interest per a source with knowledge of the situation,
not Cowboys, Cliff Kingsbury and Washington. Kingsbury has decided to
wait until the season is over, which is probably this weekend,
(38:20):
before interviewing with interested teams for the head coaching vacancies. Now,
I like Cliff Kingsbury, do not know him, know a
lot of people that do. I'm a fan of him,
But I do think, and I've seen this my entire life,
a lot of people are great number twos, and I
think Kingsbury's a two. The greatest example is Steve Spagnola
(38:42):
of Kansas City, who was a disaster as a head
coach and is the best defensive coordinator in the NFL.
Josh McDaniels has six rings fired twice as a head coach.
So I think Cliff Kingsbury is creative, fun, cool, but
his teams get very loose because he tends to be there.
Every great college or a pro football coach has a
(39:03):
little drill sergeant in them, a little some five percent,
some thirty percent. Saban has it, Kirby Smart has it,
Harball had little drill sergeant.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
He's a former player, kind of views himself as a player,
very player friendly. I think he's very creative and very smart.
But you know, it's funny. I was reading a story
this morning on Lorne Michaels. Lorne Michaels isn't funny, but
he knows funny, right, He's the CEO of funny. It's
Saturday Night Live for all these years. Fascinating story, by
(39:35):
the way, It's in the New Yorker. And then then
Steve Jobs was not the best engineer, but he had
a little bit of artist, a little bit of salesman,
a little bit of engineer. Some guys are not the
best x as An O's guy on his staff, but
they're the best coach. Sean Payton and Andy Reid are
(39:56):
great x as and O's guys, so was Belichick on defense,
and they're great coaches. But there's a lot of coaches.
The term is walk around coach. Jimmy Johnson had a
lot of this. Jimmy was very good at feeling the
temperature of his team, A very good psychologist, very good
like Parcels at building staffs, like a Lord Michael's at
(40:18):
Saturday Night Live. Some young some old, some snarky, some loose.
If you read the article, it felt like they were
talking about a coach that built a staff or a
GM that built a staff, and that Cliff is somebody
I would want on my staff. I don't necessarily think
he is a head coach, but I could be wrong.
(40:38):
You know, when it comes to head coaches, a lot
of it's just who's your quarterback. So we'll see Cliff
Kingsbury right now. Steve Spaggs is the best defensive coordinator
in football. Dick Lebol for years in Pittsburgh was an
unbelievable defensive courtner they were twos. We've had some interesting
vice presidents, most or vice presidents. You know, Reagan never
(41:00):
like he'd be a vice president. He was going to
be a president. Some guys are people are vice presidents,
some are are presidents. Some are great in sales, but
you wouldn't want to running the company. And so it's
just interesting the names that are out there. I can
like somebody and think they're brilliant. I'd love Josh McDaniels
or Cliff Kingsbury as my coordinator, love them. But I've
seen Josh a couple of times in Cliff a couple
(41:21):
of times, it may not work their personality, you know,
or maybe I'm wrong and it's just they didn't have
When they were head coach they got Tebow, or they
were head coach they got Kyler Murray. Maybe they didn't
get the right quarterback. A lot of times with a coach.
I'm about fifty to fifty on this stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Who's your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
That's why I say, whoever takes the Cowboys over when
Dak comes back, you'll probably win like ten games.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
The best job.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
The Patriots job, in my opinion, was the best job
because of ownership stability in Drake may Is off the board. Bears, Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders,
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