January 20, 2025 • 39 mins
Colin reacts to Josh Allen & the Bills capturing a thrilling win over Lamar Jackson & the Ravens to advance to the AFC Championship. He tells you why he was right about Commanders quarterback Jayden Daniels and wrong about Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni. Plus, 3-time Pro Bowler Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to talk about the Chiefs playing in their 7th straight AFC Championship game and if there are real concerns about the Eagles offense.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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is a Monday, gonna be a good one live in
Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening or watching, Thanks for making
us part of your day. Jmac, only a few football
games left. I said a couple of weeks ago, I'm
gonna take the Buffalo Bills to win the Super Bowl.
I still feel very strongly about that. And how do
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you feel after the weekend? Go build Davy, build mafia.
Let's go all right, So let's start with this. The
Buffalo Bills, and this is not generally what they have
been since Josh Allen arrived. Avoided losing more than they
won that football game, no turnovers and one penalty, smart,
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adult focused football. They've always been gifted, but a little loose,
never quite disciplined. Felt kind of reactionary. Not this team
from the opening drive ran the ball, not heavily reliant
on Josh Allen. It was clinical, it was effective much
more than it was impressive. I mean, Josh Allen only
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had one hundred and forty seven yards total yards fewest
of his career in a playoff game. Yet I've never
been more impressed. This is what the Kansas City Chiefs
did when they moved off Tyreek Hill. They went from
a firework show to a more effective football team. And
that's what I saw. Responsible football. One penalty. Jimmy Johnson's
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been saying this for years. You will lose more playoff
football games then you'll win. Josh Allen sacked one time.
He had four attempts. This is the strongest arm guy
in the league. Josh Allen had only four attempts over
ten yards. Now, the Ravens were bigger and flashier. They
averaged seven point three yards of play. It was big
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Derrick Henry run, big pass by Lamar Jackson. They looked
like Buffalo generally looks. But they had an ugly pick.
They had a couple of fumbles, They had a drop
two point conversion. Baltimore looked like Buffalo for years. Mark Andrews,
great player in great tight end, picked a bad day
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to have the worst game of his career. Lamar Jackson
all defend him. He played well enough to win. In fact,
the Ravens never punted. I mean, think about that, you
get Lamar Jackson's gonna be MVP potentially. They never punted.
They only got stopped when they stopped themselves. And that
was the problem. They did and Buffalo didn't. They had
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thirty big plays, Bills had four. I watched that game
and I thought, meet the Buffalo Bills. They are the
new Kansas City Chiefs with a more dynamic offense. The
Bills finally, finally, and we've been saying this all year,
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this is the best supporting cast. Josh has had maybe
the worst defense, but they're finally comfortable being effective and
by their standards, let's be truthful here, kind of boring
by their standards. Not most teams. So the Ravens kept
pressing and making big plays, and it worked to a
large degree. But in my lifetime and even recent memory,
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the San Antonios Birds with Duncan, the Bama Dynasty with Saban,
the New England Patriots, this dynasty in Kansas City really
started when Tyreek Hill left. The Bills have always had
a Ferrari quarterback. But you know what gets old speed
tickets and vanilla remains the most popular ice cream. So
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congratulations to the Buffalo Bills. Mature, focused, doubted on defense, effective,
one sack, one penalty in the biggest game of the year,
the biggest game ever for Josh Allen. He is back
now to facing the vaunted Kansas City Chiefs. I said
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it last week in the week before, I think Buffalo
wins the Super Bowl, and it's this pivot from speeding
tickets to the Ferrari to just letting all the other
kids fly by. You don't beat yourself. Here's Josh Allen.
After all year, this team has heard we got no
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talent or.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Too small, we can't stop the run, We're not good
enough to compete for a fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
We just put our head down and worked hard. I'm
so proud of our defense. I'm so proud of our
offense and special teams. Complete win.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Obviously on the offense on the ball, we wish we
scored a little more so we didn't have to take
it down to the fourth quarter like that.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But that's a really good team.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Credit to them as well, and it should be noted
you could tell this was game plan. The opening drive
for the Buffalo Bills ron run short passes, this was
their game plan. Let's not beat ourselves. We don't have
to be the flashiest. We've done that thing. It doesn't
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get us to where we want to go. I really
think championship teams pivot. Remember Tyreek Hill leaves the Chiefs,
less flashy, more effective, Stefan Diggs some drama leaves and
they immediately figure out we're not about one wide out.
We're about a collective and if we don't beat ourselves,
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nobody else is gonna beat us either. That's super Bowl
winning football. Run it, defend it. No pes, no turnovers
every team last couple of weekends. That's one in the playoffs.
I said zero turnovers. Took Buffalo a while to figure
it out, but man did they. Now let's go to
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the Eagles in the Rams. First of all, the fact
that the Rams kept it close. Chip of the cap
to those guys, because I really do believe they need
about four to five more players to beat a team
like Philadelphia. But the Eagles have two stars and They're
the best players in the NFL at their position. One
is in his prime, Saquon Barkley, and one's a kid,
Jalen Carter. And you know, I may have my reservations
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about Philadelphia, but they're great players, deliver when it matters,
as dysfunctional as they can seem. No turnovers, only three penalties,
and I've always rooted for great players to land in
great organizations. Show Hey, O Tawny needed to be a Dodger,
not an angel Lebron needed to be with pat Riley,
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not the Cleveland Cavaliers, and Saquon Barkley deserved better than
the New York Giants, who have increasingly over the last
decade been highly dysfunctional. There is a short list on
the greatest running backs I've ever seen. Walter Payton's the
best ever, Barry Sanders way up there, but Saquon Barkley
is on that short list as well. And day one
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of his career, even at Penn State when they had
weak offensive lines and the Giants had horrible offensive lines,
he has never been one to point fingers. He has
been total class, understated, just does his job and when
hard working people get the opportunity to work with great people,
magic happens. And I've always been I tell my kids this,
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you don't really deserve stuff, you earn stuff. But I
do feel in his case, he sort of deserved the
great offensive line. And then he's got Jalen Carter slamming
the door shut at Carter has a chance to be
Reggie White and Aaron Donald here like unblockable and the
NFL is so quarterback eccentric that it is fascinating to watch.
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The Eagles have sixty five net passing yards, the fewest
in ten years for a winning playoff team. I mean,
AJ Brown could have read two books. This is It's
a Saquon Barkley team. And you know the other thing
I think about is, here's a guy that was not
on this team a year ago, and this is a
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team with Alpha's best offensive line, arguably in football, great
defensive line, AJ Brown. There are stars and Alpha, even
the coach, all over the locker room, and this quiet
kid walks in and becomes the Alpha of the Alphas.
It's somewhat ironic and beautiful that in a loud city
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with a loud coach and loud fans and at times
a loud organization it's the quiet, classy kid who's taken
over the team. He and the remarkable Jalen Carter. And
we don't talk a lot about interior defensive linemen, but
the Rams had a shot on a short week in
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the snow, after that Puka Nakua catch down the sidelines,
they had a chance to win this game. I'm sitting
there on my couch thinking time out. The Eagles have
the better roster, they're at home, they're better suited for
snowy weather. Are the Rams gonna pull it out? And
Saquon did it on the offense and Jalen Carter sealed
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it on defense. Here's Nick Sirianni jam.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Carter is a special player, and he's just done so
many of the right things to continue to make himself
a special player. For him to rush the passer the
way that he did in our group, rush the way
that we did in moments of where the footing wasn't great,
that that to me, that was a championship effort by
the defense. He's so talented, but this league, there's a
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lot of guys that are talented, and it takes more
than talent to reach your potential. And he's continuing to rise,
and that speaks a lot to Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
This Eagles football team feels like it's led by Jalen Carter,
Saquon Barkley and the general manager. But what I do
like about it as well is Jalen Hurts is okay
with it. Jalen Hurts is about winning. That's all he
cares about. You don't get a lot of ego. So
it sort of all works as dysfunctional as it often feels.
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It just sort of all works for Philadelphia. So had
to three and oh weekend, feel good next weekend. I
do think Buffalo is the better team. Now can they
win an arrow ahead? After watching him this weekend, I
think what you're gonna get is too Really, the two
best football teams I've seen in this league are both
in the AFC, and for a while this year in
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September October, I thought Detroit was it. They're not will
address that after the break, and Philadelphia just sees teams
like they let teams they're clearly better than stay in
the game. Be honest about this. When Stafford completes that
ball down the sideline to Puku Nakua, you were sitting
there thinking they a LA team on a short week
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without the personnel to match, Philly is going to steal
this game. I sat there and thought, everything I was
going to say about this game is going to be
turned on its head. And then Jalen Carter back to
back ends up.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Yeah, Eagles have not been great in either playoff game, Colin,
they have not.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
They did not look particularly sharp against the Packers. Yes
they are.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Maybe you're right, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I mean, are they going to caugh up the football
five times like the Lions did and get Washington the victory.
I don't see that happening, do you.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
No, I mean they should be favored over Washington. They are,
But I remember I remember a New York Giants team
that was good in the regular season like Washington, and
they went on the road with Eli Manning and they
played with house money and there wasn't a lot of pressure. Now,
that Giants team had very good defensive personnel up front.
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It wasn't just Eli Manning. And I just don't think
Washington has the personnel. If Washington got to the Super Bowl,
this is not a shot at anybody, because they're gonna
go buy some really good players and this is a
good front office. It would be the weakest roster to
ever get to a Super Bowl. I mean the fact
that they're winning. It comes down to it comes down
to one player. Well, let's just be honest, it comes
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down to one kid. He's a little more than a
kid now.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But home teams, by the way, did you see that
eight and two in the playoffs the two road wins
to win Washington in Tampa, Washington against Detroit.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I mean home time's dominating the teams that are winning.
No turnover, no turnovers as well. Yes, that has really
been remarkable. You could always get away with one like turnovers.
One you're done, you lose.
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
Our two. Matt Hasselback five Minutes Out or Last Urban Meyer,
Last Hour on Ohio State. Notre Dame, Riley Leonhard I
mean Josh Allen, I mean Riley Leonhard leading Notre Dame
to the National Championship game. Jmax. We are lucky, I've said.
I was talking to my wife yesterday and I said,
we have three football games left professionally and one in
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college and then I'm going back to hockey scoring. So
it's got a little emotional Yeah, I'm sitting there. I
gotta be honest. In our lives, there's six months of
the year that we can't wait to get to work.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
A little melancholy Monday, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will say.
Four quarterbacks left in the NFL. Did you see what's
similar among Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes.
They're all mobile, all mobile quarterbacks. And we see one
tonight in Riley Leonard. Let's see if he because Will Howard,
he could run.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But he's I'm mobile.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, let's see if Riley Leonard could pull off some
magic film the Irish tonight.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, luck of the Irish. I'm not, but I think
they have better special teams, the better quarterback, I would say,
the better coach. And the defense is at least as
good as Ohio State. But the Buckeye's offense is a
different level. And you get into these, you know, these
three and a half four hour games, somebody's gonna pop.
It's just hard to suppress. Now, Michigan did it because
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I think you know, they got into Ohio State's head.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
How much did that with the rivalry though, Colin, I.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Think it was a lot of rivalry. But I remember
you're the big dog favorite. I watched the Eagles yesterday
almost lose to the Rams if not for Jalen Carter.
So it's like and I mean I watched Washington, Hammere, Detroit.
Sometimes going in as a favorite, you get a little
tight if you fall behind. Here we do Monday. We
call it Colin Wright, Colin wrong, plenty of both. Let's
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fire away where Colin was right, been saying for weeks.
The Bills this is the real deal. I think they
should be favored over Buffalo Kansas City. They're not, but
they've created balance. They're not as reliant on Josh Allen.
The front office is excellent. I think McDermott's evolved as
a head coach. They moved off a star receiver like
Kansas City, and they've become more complete first team ever
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thirty plus passing and rushing touchdowns. I like everything about Buffalo. Yeah,
I wish their defense was as good as the Eagles
and the Chiefs. It's not, but I think offensively, you
go to the last several Super Bowls it's the offense
making a play, regardless of how good the opposing defense is.
I like the Bills over Kansas City where Colin was wrong.
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Nick Siriani, he's in his second NFC championship. I don't
have to love his methods. But he's loud, Philly's loud.
He's emotional, Philly's emotional. It's just different. It's been a
rocky flight. But I will say this part of coaching
is getting your guys and your star players to rise
to the moment. And he does it, and I just
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think it works. He's fifty two and twenty three. It's
a hard city to coach in. Maybe Doug Peterson, who
won a Super Bowl, was too chill. Maybe Chip Kelly
was a bit too emotionally remote. Whatever it is, he
feels like a fan coaching the team. I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
It works Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well, my number one preseason surprise team to make the
playoffs was the Washington Commanders. Colin, there's too much change. Yeah,
but when all the other people are bad and all
the new people are good, who cares. I love the staff,
the GM, the coordinator. One host in America had the
courage to say, yeah, I think this twenty year tire
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fire is gonna make the playoffs. It was me a
little boy with big dreams and here's Washington in the
NFC championship.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Good for them, where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, I'm a Jared Goff loyalist. That was ugly. Three
picks lost to fumble. It was just ugly. I got
out played by a rookie, a great rookie. But when
they had Jamis Williams throwing it, the wide receiver from Alabama,
when he was throwing a pass, that felt like almost
a message, like, you know, on Jared Goff throwing the ball,
because when you do those you know, reverses, those receivers,
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they want to throw the ball. They're not gonna They're
not gonna tuck it. They're gonna throw the ball. So listen,
Sean McVay moved off golf. I don't think they're gonna
be moving off on them now. But you couldn't watch
that game as a pocket quarterback in wonder what's the
offseason going to be like, second, third, fourth round on
a pretty stacked roster. I think they'll roll the dice
snow Riley Leonard. They'll be shocked where Colin was right.
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Kansas City's not lucky. I've been hearing this all year.
They are circumstantially the best team in football, best coach,
best defensive coordinator, best quarterback. Yes, Mahomes can manipulate the officials,
but what do you know, Travis Kelcey. We say this
all the time. It's like Gronk. You go to the
NBA playoffs, the NFL playoffs, there's a red light that
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goes on for the great ones. And here's Travis Kelcey
seventy percent of the offense. So listen, eight straight games
without a turnover. I mean, just say that out loud.
In the NFL, the Chiefs have played eight straight games
without a turnover. That to me is not luck.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I said Mike McCarthy as the leverage, he should ask
for the moon against Dallas. He'll have a market and
all of it's been true. He now I believe could
be the favorite to get the Chicago Bears job. And
here's the thing about Mike McCarthy. Since he arrived in Dallas,
only the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen have a more
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productive offense. He won with farv an old, grumpy Farv.
He won with Aaron, he won with Dak, he went
with Cooper Rush, he won some games with Andy Dalton.
I believed it was a regressing franchise, and he is
still a marketable coach. We were right on Mike McCarthy,
who now is interviewing for other jobs.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You know, I love Sam Darnold, but those last couple
of games sixty six passer rating were not ideal. Yes,
I had him receiving MVP votes in Week fourteen and fifteen,
but it's how it ends. Jaden Daniels ends great. Sam
Darnold did not. I think he is now what he's
probably always been. Baker Mayfield litl reckless, darn Good, works
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his butt off, likable, B plus guy making mid thirties
a year.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Folks, all your billionaires, or at least most of them,
could afford what the Dodgers are doing. Who landed Roki Sasaki,
the next great young pitching star from Japan? You do
realize the Dodgers deferring payments. Every franchise could do that.
They also win trades. They have arguably the best minor
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league system. They stole taoscar Hernandez for nothing. This is
an organization that is hyper aggressive. All these owners in baseball,
even the A's and the Fisher family are billionaires. All
of these organizations can defer payments. It's absolutely legal. I
hear this all the time. Well, what is wrong with baseball?
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When the Yankees were dominating the Hot Stove League, it
was celebrated. People don't like it because they think they're
using some system that's not legal. Deferred payments are the
future of baseball, and the smartest team in the sport
has figured it out first.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Where Colin was right, Riley.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Leonard led his team to a Natty despite the fact
they have one five star athlete. I think this is
the most underrated player in college football. I think he's
going to go to an offensive coach like a McVeigh,
sit for two years, not play, and you look up
and he's getting reps on Sunday. I don't know. I
just when I watch him, tough athletic, got kind of
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a weird delivery, but every time they ask him to
make a big throw, he makes it. I think he
has been my favorite dark horse player in college football
for the entire year, and here he is taking a
team that doesn't have as many five star football recruits
as Kentucky to the national championship. Helps. He's got a
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great coach.
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Speaker 1 (22:12):
And with that, we got a great analyst. Matt Hasselbeck
is joining us live. You know, when I watched Buffalo yesterday,
it was funny. So Tyreek Hill left the Chiefs and
they had to pivot to being more efficient because they
weren't going to be they weren't going to be as
elegant over the top. And Stefan Diggs leaves and I'm like,
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this team runs the ball. They have pivoted to kind
of a more boring team. They don't allow sacks, they
don't get penalties, they don't turn it over. And I
keep saying to myself, they've kind of grown up. I
feel like I've watched the Bills grow up in the
last year.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Yeah, I agree with everything that you just said there.
And you know, the.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Committee approach at the running back position. I remember when
Josh Allen would lead the team in rushing and you
didn't see that yesterday. I mean, really, you know you
saw one running back running it down to the one
and another guy comes in to score a touchdown, Like,
so what who cares? We don't care about credit, we
don't care about carries. We're sharing the load. In the
running game, I would say the same thing in the
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passing game. I think nine different guys caught passes yesterday.
So it's much tougher to defend a guy, a quarterback
when he's spreading the ball around, taking what the defense
gives him in a sense, and like not really caring
about do I have to get this guy his touches
so he doesn't throw a little temper chantrum on the bench.
I think Buffalo has certainly lived that life. People live
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that life, but I think the life that they're living
right now, where it's more of a team and more
spreading it around, is certainly working for them.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
How much blame goes to Lamar Jackson? What did you think?
Speaker 9 (23:55):
You know?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
Lamar is one of my favorite quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
I think he's one of the great quarterbacks of all time,
and one of the things I absolutely love about him
is his leadership at the podium after the game. You
hear a lot of quarterbacks when the game doesn't go well,
they say, oh, we got to be better on third down.
We can't turn the ball over. It's like, bro, you
got to stop turning the ball over. You were the
reason we turned it over.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Lamar.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
You never hear that out of him. He always accepts
the blame. It's almost like it just comes right from
his head right to his mouth. He's like mad at himself.
I think that's one of the reasons that not only
do his teammates love him, the opponents respect him. I
think it's one of the reasons that he will eventually
get there. But clearly the interception early super uncharacteristic of Lamar,
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the fumble after the bad snap, taking a bad situation,
make it, making it worse. Those were two plays that
he's really going to be kicking himself about the entire offseason.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
But again, I just really.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Believe that that accountability at the quarterback position, not a
lot of guys have it.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Lamar has it.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
And so for that reason, for the long haul, I'll
take Lamar any day of the week.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
So you know, it's interesting the have sixty five net
passing yards, But I do believe that part of the
sustainability of this team is that Jalen Hurts is okay
with it. I mean, he played at BEMA, like he
knows like it's not just about me. And I also
think if I was a quarterback, and especially a guy
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that's a little smaller and has had injuries, I would
be okay having a star running back. Like I think
the personalities on this team Saquon professional, classy, quiet, Jalen Hurts, reserved,
like there's something about this team. Jalen is comfortable not
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leading them, and I think that's unique. I think most
quarterbacks wren't throw the ball. I think they like to.
I mean, Howie Longos jokes, you can't have multiple quarterbacks
in the room. They all take the oxygen out of it.
What do you make of hurt style, some inefficiencies, What
do you make of this offense?
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Well, I do think he is the leader, and I
think he's got a great leadership style. He doesn't care
about leading in the stats, you know, in terms of
the passing game. But I think they got to be better.
They got to be better in the passing game. I'll
just flat out say it. The quarterback that they're playing
is amazing as a runner and as amazing as a thrower.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
And that's not just on Jalen. The guys around him
got to step up.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
It was bad weather this weekend, It's gonna be bad
weather probably the next weekend.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
You got to catch the ball in bad weather. The
better player.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
The guys around him got to step up and play
well in cold weather. But at the same time, I thought,
I don't know if it was injury or what. Jalen
Hurts didn't look like the best version of Jalen Hurts
that I've seen. So he's got to raise his game
and be at his best. Do I think Philly, can
you know not fly Eagles, fly ron Eagles run to
the Super Bowl? I do, But at the same time,
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they do need more out of their passing game. I
know they say they could do it if they wanted to.
You're gonna need it against Washington. In my opinion, you.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Can lose at home in a playoff game, but the
way Detroit lost, does that resonate in the offseason. Do
you think they're they're going to kind of review some
things That was ugly, some of an injury, but some
of it just mistakes.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I think sometimes, and you saw it in some of
the games. You can try too hard, you can want
it too bad, and I think that was just the case.
If you look at all the teams that didn't win,
turnovers were really the story of the weekend. You got
to protect the ball. You can't be sloppy with it.
You can't be careless, you can't, I think, just try
to force something that's not there. And really, you know,
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turnovers they did. That's what did Detroit in And I
know they won a game earlier this year where they
had a bunch of turnovers, but by and large, if
you want to know the formula to not losing, you
have to protect that football. There's a lot of coaches
in the NFL. They've got signs all around the building.
I remember when Pete Carroll came to Seattle from USC,
he took down just about every sign that Mike signed
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in picture that Mike Holdngrin had hanging there for like
ten years. And Jim Mora after that, he took them
all down and he put up basically in every single
room there was a sign that said it's all about
the ball.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
And so whether you have or sign or not, that
is true.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
Turnovers will get you beat, and that's what's got the
Detroit Lions beat this weekend.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Okay, I watched Eli Manning, Joe Burrow go on the road,
go through the playoffs as an underdog and get to
Super Bowls. It can happen. The personnel wise, Washington Philly
feels like a massive, a massive mismatch. How much of
a shot do you give Jayden Daniels and the Commanders.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Well, unfortunately I lost to Super Bowl to a wildcard
team in the Pittsburgh Steelers, who did just the same thing.
And I also, if you look at just like what's
gone on, the home teams are usually winning, but.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
It hasn't mattered to Washington.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
I see people talking about their inexperience being a negative.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
It is not a negative.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
They went on the road to Tampa against the hot
Baker Mayfield, and Mike Evanstein said, so what, there's a
game anyone, anywhere, anytime, let's go, let's win it.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
They go the next week, they win it.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
They're going to Philly like they they don't care, like
they don't even know, Like they don't they're not like,
oh man, remember we had those home playoff games, Like
it's nothing to them.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
So I just think that they're so engrossed in the game.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
They've got poise that's never been never been seen before
out of a rookie quarterback, and they're playing so well.
Cliff Kingsbury has them dialed in. I think dan Quinn
has the bigger job on defense because I don't think
the defense is as talented as the offense in Washington.
So that'd be the big question for me. But can
they get to the super Bowl? I said it on
this show a couple of weeks ago, three weeks a
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month ago. Absolutely, you could have a rookie quarterback in
the Super Bowl, and Jayden Daniels is the guy to me.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So let's let's go back segue back to Bill's Chiefs.
So it's interesting Buffalo's beaten Kansas ATY several times, not
in the game, but this does not feel like Baltimore
Kansas to me. We're just Baltimore just can't get past it.
We saw I think was first week of the year,
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Baltimore lost by a tota. Candisy, I think Buffalo feels
we've beaten these guys. We've beaten these guys multiple times.
I don't think psychology plays a role in this game.
I think better team wins, but I haven't played the game.
You have when you get to a conference championship, to
those ghosts reappear for Buffalo.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I think it's a pretty mentally
tough team.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
They know each other really well. You know, I kind
of mentioned that all year. I felt like all these teams,
you know, Kansas City and Buffalo, they were going to
go in through the motions knowing that these guys were
going to meet up at the end of the year
at some point, and that's what you see. I really
think home field advantage is going to be the biggest
player in this game. You heard Tony Romo talking about it,
like getting into the perfect play, not wasting plays, using
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your cadence. That's an advantage that Buffalo has had so
far in the playoffs. I think Josh Allen does a
great job of that, but I think the best in
the league is Patrick mahomes At using his cadence, getting
the protection right, getting into the right play, and so
that home field advantage there is a reason why guys
care about it so much. It's not so much like, oh,
you're you know, you need people cheering for you, or
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you don't want people pooing against you. No, it's the
communication at the line of scrimmage for these new age
offenses that are calling one, two or three plays in
the huddle, and it's just so important to get that
communication done right. And you talk about no penalties, it's
a lot easier to have no penalties, especially offensively when
you're at home.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
So the rule states very clearly in the NFL you
can't challenge roughing the passer. And it also says we
looked it up this morning when in doubt, call roughing.
If you think it's roughing, call it. They demand that
it's in big black letters and underlined in the rule book.
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It's like we stay in baseball, ty goes to the runner,
tye goes to the quarterback. Call it. I also think
Mahomesman manipulates refs, So does Lebron. Does it bother you
what you're seeing or did you try to whenever you
could to kind of leverage and manipulate moments physically.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
Yeah, I think there's a fine line there. I think
the NFL get it right. I think everyone's a little
bit embarrassed by, you know, the fact that they didn't
get the call right. I think replay assist will probably
come in at some point, but I'm kind of okay
with like what happened, because I do think they'll get
it fixed. The Mahomes at the sideline flopping, I mean,
I used to give Andrew Luck a lot of heat
(32:31):
about that. I used to think, like he sometimes flop.
You know, he was a huge soccer fan, and I
was like, Okay, listen, this isn't soccer.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
You know.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
But at the end of the day, I think they
will get it right. Do I think they got it
right in that game? No, No, they didn't. There's room
for improvement. But I also don't think that's why the
Texans lost the game. I think the Texans lost the
game for other reasons, and so I'm not going to
sit here and discredit the Chiefs for the reason, you know,
that being the reason they won the game. But did
penalties have a huge play in that early drive? Yeah
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it did, It really did.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
But again, I think it's just something everyone needs to
learn from basically.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Now, I will say, for the record, on the Will
Anderson hit, from the perspective of the official when it
happened in real time, Matt, I thought it was I
mean the way from my television seat, I watched it
like this one right here. My first take was, oh,
that's helmet to helmet and so yeah, I mean, I boom,
that looks right there, like helmet to helmet the first
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time you see it quickly.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Yeah, And that's why I will never criticize officials. It's
bang bang, you're trying to do the best you can.
Happens in real time. I think our officials do a
really good job. Actually, but we're using replay assists for
all this other stuff, and there's only one game going
on during the playoffs. It's not a one o'clock game
on a Sunday during the regular season where there's so
much to watch.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
You got to get this right.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
We have slow motion, we have high def, we have
replay assists. That's where I'm saying, like, hey, now listen.
I also would say, watching the Baltimore versus Buffalo game
the next night, you can't tell me that those officials
and just let those guys play. It was a completely
different game how it was officiated.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Consistency was not there.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
I saw an official get knocked over to the ground
after a late hit on a fight. Nothing happened, like
they weren't even calling PI. So like to think that
like there wasn't some sort of conversation.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Like, hey, we maybe over did it, over protected.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
I saw Lamar Jackson, who probably gonna win the MVP,
get tackled out of bounds with I mean, trust me,
these guys are human.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
They're talking about it.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
But until the competition committee gets together in the offseason
and puts a proposal out there, don't I don't know how.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
Much they can get a change in a way that's consistent.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, I think you make up a great point. There
was a lot of physicality in the Ravens Bills game,
and it's you know, listen, officials watch. They're all sitting
watching that one game at their hotel and they're going,
oh boy, this is bad that they're on their phones
and everybody's saying official stink. So point made by.
Speaker 8 (34:55):
And even the golf interception on the pick six when
he took it in the chin, he literally takes the
helmet straight to the chin and there's no flag, And
again I think that's where people are kind of like, well,
why did it happen for one quarterback. I do think
there's a little bit of a market correction. And the
officials do communicate from game to game. They talk about it.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Matt Hasselbeck is always in a Monday money thanks for
coming on the show Bizowa's see khon. Yeah. Yeah, it's
the reality of it, Like games bleed into games. People
sit in their hotel rooms, everybody's watching football, and you
watch them a homes game and think, we got to
back off and let these guys play. I've seen in
the NBA series game to game the official officiating change,
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Like if it gets really really physical and choppy in
Game one and tempers flare, it's almost like they get
a call from the league office and the refs will
in the first quarter of the game call everything and
just course correct. We've seen this in the NFL in
the preseason when they over officiate a new rule. So
I remember a couple years ago in the Super Bowl,
the Philly Special, when they allowed juggling as catches, like
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because the league was getting so much heat and there
was a ball in the back of the end zone
for the Eagles and they kind of bobbled it. That
was an incompletion all year and I'm not complaining, but
it was like leagues do react, watch games, talk to officials.
It felt like Baltimore Buffalo let the guys play.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
So what's your guess is what happens in case Buffalo
because Colin Listen, Troy Haiitman used to work here. I
haven't heard an announcer put the league on blast the
way he did in that Texan Chiefs game. And it
was right, it was justified. He had a lot of backing. Again,
these Island games, thirty million people are watching, and it's
very obvious to all of them what's happening.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Well, I've always I think you and I both believe this.
When the higher the stakes, the less I want officials
dictating anything. I do understand officials early in seasons or
early in games saying guys like when you played the
Ravens or you played the Patriots, and the Patriots with
Belichick were very grabby on the perimeter. Their cornerbacks would
(36:58):
grab you, and officials throwing early flag. They're like, Bill,
we're not letting you do that off. Yeah, Like so
I am for an official being overly assertive early. But
you know, I'll say it again. I thought the Will
Anderson hit was when I watched it in real time,
my take was, oh, that's a shot. Mahomes sells it.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Well, wait, don't can you explain to me what the
heck replay assist is? Because it seems to work very
willy nilly, and I started asking around on text message.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
They're like, I don't get it. The league is unclear.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
When does chime in?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like this is a great point. Remember you and I
there was about a six year period in this league
or longer I didn't know what the hell of catch was.
It started with a Calvin Johnson catch against the Bears
in the end zone and they wouldn't allow it, and
all of a sudden it was heightened during the dead
Bryan Bryant Packers and I brought Roger Gandell on the
show and I asked him and he was great about it.
(37:52):
I said, I love your sport. I don't know what
a catch is, and he's like, we have to address it.
I think to your question, here was Will Anderson this
morning on the Mahomes hit and officiating.
Speaker 9 (38:06):
I'm not the type of the chase calls. The NFL
can do whatever they need to do for the thing.
I feel like, as I pray, you just have to
keep playing. Some calls were, you know, in my opinion,
could have been better calls. And that's Okay, that's my opinion.
But at the end of the day, it's about us.
We have to do a better job of executing. We
have to do a better job of going out there
and being ready and no matter what the outcome is,
we have to do a better job of handling checks
(38:27):
his business on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, he's right, and listen, it's the NFL is a business.
Businesses tweak. This is what they do. The NFL has
always been the ultimate tweak sport. They're unlike baseball, which
took them forever to get a pitch clock or defensive
shift abandoned. The NFL will fix stuff rules committee. They'll
tweak stuff. I mean, in years weren't officiating isn't controversial.
(38:50):
They tweak. And they just changed the kickoff this year.
A couple of years ago they changed the pat They
will tweak.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Yeah, and you know, I coach my kids in sports,
colin I am. I am aggressive defensively, I say, guys,
I want you handsy, I want you all over them.
Let the refs call it. If the refs call it,
then we got to back off. But I want to
see this game Buffalo in Kansas City. I want the
ref's hands off. Let the teams play the game. Don't
be all like, oh, here's a fly on the buffalo I
want to see let him play, all right?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Just know the Chiefs have the better defense, and so
if the Bills have the better quarterback, well, subscribing to
your theory, let them play. Then the Chiefs defense will
grab and hold and clutch. Hey McIntyre said, try grabbing
Josh Allen on the run, big boy. Huh, Try grabbing
a call on Nick Bolton?
Speaker 9 (39:38):
What do you got?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I can't wait for this game.
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is a Monday, gonna be a good one live in
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however you may be listening or watching, Thanks for making
us part of your day. Jmac, only a few football
games left. I said a couple of weeks ago, I'm
gonna take the Buffalo Bills to win the Super Bowl.
I still feel very strongly about that. And how do
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you feel after the weekend? Go build Davy, build mafia.
Let's go all right, So let's start with this. The
Buffalo Bills, and this is not generally what they have
been since Josh Allen arrived. Avoided losing more than they
won that football game, no turnovers and one penalty, smart,
(01:07):
adult focused football. They've always been gifted, but a little loose,
never quite disciplined. Felt kind of reactionary. Not this team
from the opening drive ran the ball, not heavily reliant
on Josh Allen. It was clinical, it was effective much
more than it was impressive. I mean, Josh Allen only
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had one hundred and forty seven yards total yards fewest
of his career in a playoff game. Yet I've never
been more impressed. This is what the Kansas City Chiefs
did when they moved off Tyreek Hill. They went from
a firework show to a more effective football team. And
that's what I saw. Responsible football. One penalty. Jimmy Johnson's
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been saying this for years. You will lose more playoff
football games then you'll win. Josh Allen sacked one time.
He had four attempts. This is the strongest arm guy
in the league. Josh Allen had only four attempts over
ten yards. Now, the Ravens were bigger and flashier. They
averaged seven point three yards of play. It was big
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Derrick Henry run, big pass by Lamar Jackson. They looked
like Buffalo generally looks. But they had an ugly pick.
They had a couple of fumbles, They had a drop
two point conversion. Baltimore looked like Buffalo for years. Mark Andrews,
great player in great tight end, picked a bad day
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to have the worst game of his career. Lamar Jackson
all defend him. He played well enough to win. In fact,
the Ravens never punted. I mean, think about that, you
get Lamar Jackson's gonna be MVP potentially. They never punted.
They only got stopped when they stopped themselves. And that
was the problem. They did and Buffalo didn't. They had
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thirty big plays, Bills had four. I watched that game
and I thought, meet the Buffalo Bills. They are the
new Kansas City Chiefs with a more dynamic offense. The
Bills finally, finally, and we've been saying this all year,
(03:19):
this is the best supporting cast. Josh has had maybe
the worst defense, but they're finally comfortable being effective and
by their standards, let's be truthful here, kind of boring
by their standards. Not most teams. So the Ravens kept
pressing and making big plays, and it worked to a
large degree. But in my lifetime and even recent memory,
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the San Antonios Birds with Duncan, the Bama Dynasty with Saban,
the New England Patriots, this dynasty in Kansas City really
started when Tyreek Hill left. The Bills have always had
a Ferrari quarterback. But you know what gets old speed
tickets and vanilla remains the most popular ice cream. So
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congratulations to the Buffalo Bills. Mature, focused, doubted on defense, effective,
one sack, one penalty in the biggest game of the year,
the biggest game ever for Josh Allen. He is back
now to facing the vaunted Kansas City Chiefs. I said
(04:26):
it last week in the week before, I think Buffalo
wins the Super Bowl, and it's this pivot from speeding
tickets to the Ferrari to just letting all the other
kids fly by. You don't beat yourself. Here's Josh Allen.
After all year, this team has heard we got no
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talent or.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Too small, we can't stop the run, We're not good
enough to compete for a fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
We just put our head down and worked hard. I'm
so proud of our defense. I'm so proud of our
offense and special teams. Complete win.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Obviously on the offense on the ball, we wish we
scored a little more so we didn't have to take
it down to the fourth quarter like that.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But that's a really good team.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Credit to them as well, and it should be noted
you could tell this was game plan. The opening drive
for the Buffalo Bills ron run short passes, this was
their game plan. Let's not beat ourselves. We don't have
to be the flashiest. We've done that thing. It doesn't
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get us to where we want to go. I really
think championship teams pivot. Remember Tyreek Hill leaves the Chiefs,
less flashy, more effective, Stefan Diggs some drama leaves and
they immediately figure out we're not about one wide out.
We're about a collective and if we don't beat ourselves,
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nobody else is gonna beat us either. That's super Bowl
winning football. Run it, defend it. No pes, no turnovers
every team last couple of weekends. That's one in the playoffs.
I said zero turnovers. Took Buffalo a while to figure
it out, but man did they. Now let's go to
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the Eagles in the Rams. First of all, the fact
that the Rams kept it close. Chip of the cap
to those guys, because I really do believe they need
about four to five more players to beat a team
like Philadelphia. But the Eagles have two stars and They're
the best players in the NFL at their position. One
is in his prime, Saquon Barkley, and one's a kid,
Jalen Carter. And you know, I may have my reservations
(06:34):
about Philadelphia, but they're great players, deliver when it matters,
as dysfunctional as they can seem. No turnovers, only three penalties,
and I've always rooted for great players to land in
great organizations. Show Hey, O Tawny needed to be a Dodger,
not an angel Lebron needed to be with pat Riley,
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not the Cleveland Cavaliers, and Saquon Barkley deserved better than
the New York Giants, who have increasingly over the last
decade been highly dysfunctional. There is a short list on
the greatest running backs I've ever seen. Walter Payton's the
best ever, Barry Sanders way up there, but Saquon Barkley
is on that short list as well. And day one
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of his career, even at Penn State when they had
weak offensive lines and the Giants had horrible offensive lines,
he has never been one to point fingers. He has
been total class, understated, just does his job and when
hard working people get the opportunity to work with great people,
magic happens. And I've always been I tell my kids this,
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you don't really deserve stuff, you earn stuff. But I
do feel in his case, he sort of deserved the
great offensive line. And then he's got Jalen Carter slamming
the door shut at Carter has a chance to be
Reggie White and Aaron Donald here like unblockable and the
NFL is so quarterback eccentric that it is fascinating to watch.
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The Eagles have sixty five net passing yards, the fewest
in ten years for a winning playoff team. I mean,
AJ Brown could have read two books. This is It's
a Saquon Barkley team. And you know the other thing
I think about is, here's a guy that was not
on this team a year ago, and this is a
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team with Alpha's best offensive line, arguably in football, great
defensive line, AJ Brown. There are stars and Alpha, even
the coach, all over the locker room, and this quiet
kid walks in and becomes the Alpha of the Alphas.
It's somewhat ironic and beautiful that in a loud city
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with a loud coach and loud fans and at times
a loud organization it's the quiet, classy kid who's taken
over the team. He and the remarkable Jalen Carter. And
we don't talk a lot about interior defensive linemen, but
the Rams had a shot on a short week in
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the snow, after that Puka Nakua catch down the sidelines,
they had a chance to win this game. I'm sitting
there on my couch thinking time out. The Eagles have
the better roster, they're at home, they're better suited for
snowy weather. Are the Rams gonna pull it out? And
Saquon did it on the offense and Jalen Carter sealed
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it on defense. Here's Nick Sirianni jam.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Carter is a special player, and he's just done so
many of the right things to continue to make himself
a special player. For him to rush the passer the
way that he did in our group, rush the way
that we did in moments of where the footing wasn't great,
that that to me, that was a championship effort by
the defense. He's so talented, but this league, there's a
(10:00):
lot of guys that are talented, and it takes more
than talent to reach your potential. And he's continuing to rise,
and that speaks a lot to Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
This Eagles football team feels like it's led by Jalen Carter,
Saquon Barkley and the general manager. But what I do
like about it as well is Jalen Hurts is okay
with it. Jalen Hurts is about winning. That's all he
cares about. You don't get a lot of ego. So
it sort of all works as dysfunctional as it often feels.
(10:31):
It just sort of all works for Philadelphia. So had
to three and oh weekend, feel good next weekend. I
do think Buffalo is the better team. Now can they
win an arrow ahead? After watching him this weekend, I
think what you're gonna get is too Really, the two
best football teams I've seen in this league are both
in the AFC, and for a while this year in
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September October, I thought Detroit was it. They're not will
address that after the break, and Philadelphia just sees teams
like they let teams they're clearly better than stay in
the game. Be honest about this. When Stafford completes that
ball down the sideline to Puku Nakua, you were sitting
there thinking they a LA team on a short week
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without the personnel to match, Philly is going to steal
this game. I sat there and thought, everything I was
going to say about this game is going to be
turned on its head. And then Jalen Carter back to
back ends up.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Yeah, Eagles have not been great in either playoff game, Colin,
they have not.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
They did not look particularly sharp against the Packers. Yes
they are.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Maybe you're right, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I mean, are they going to caugh up the football
five times like the Lions did and get Washington the victory.
I don't see that happening, do you.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
No, I mean they should be favored over Washington. They are,
But I remember I remember a New York Giants team
that was good in the regular season like Washington, and
they went on the road with Eli Manning and they
played with house money and there wasn't a lot of pressure. Now,
that Giants team had very good defensive personnel up front.
(12:01):
It wasn't just Eli Manning. And I just don't think
Washington has the personnel. If Washington got to the Super Bowl,
this is not a shot at anybody, because they're gonna
go buy some really good players and this is a
good front office. It would be the weakest roster to
ever get to a Super Bowl. I mean the fact
that they're winning. It comes down to it comes down
to one player. Well, let's just be honest, it comes
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down to one kid. He's a little more than a
kid now.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But home teams, by the way, did you see that
eight and two in the playoffs the two road wins
to win Washington in Tampa, Washington against Detroit.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I mean home time's dominating the teams that are winning.
No turnover, no turnovers as well. Yes, that has really
been remarkable. You could always get away with one like turnovers.
One you're done, you lose.
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Our two. Matt Hasselback five Minutes Out or Last Urban Meyer,
Last Hour on Ohio State. Notre Dame, Riley Leonhard I
mean Josh Allen, I mean Riley Leonhard leading Notre Dame
to the National Championship game. Jmax. We are lucky, I've said.
I was talking to my wife yesterday and I said,
we have three football games left professionally and one in
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college and then I'm going back to hockey scoring. So
it's got a little emotional Yeah, I'm sitting there. I
gotta be honest. In our lives, there's six months of
the year that we can't wait to get to work.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
A little melancholy Monday, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will say.
Four quarterbacks left in the NFL. Did you see what's
similar among Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes.
They're all mobile, all mobile quarterbacks. And we see one
tonight in Riley Leonard. Let's see if he because Will Howard,
he could run.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But he's I'm mobile.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, let's see if Riley Leonard could pull off some
magic film the Irish tonight.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, luck of the Irish. I'm not, but I think
they have better special teams, the better quarterback, I would say,
the better coach. And the defense is at least as
good as Ohio State. But the Buckeye's offense is a
different level. And you get into these, you know, these
three and a half four hour games, somebody's gonna pop.
It's just hard to suppress. Now, Michigan did it because
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I think you know, they got into Ohio State's head.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
How much did that with the rivalry though, Colin, I.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Think it was a lot of rivalry. But I remember
you're the big dog favorite. I watched the Eagles yesterday
almost lose to the Rams if not for Jalen Carter.
So it's like and I mean I watched Washington, Hammere, Detroit.
Sometimes going in as a favorite, you get a little
tight if you fall behind. Here we do Monday. We
call it Colin Wright, Colin wrong, plenty of both. Let's
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fire away where Colin was right, been saying for weeks.
The Bills this is the real deal. I think they
should be favored over Buffalo Kansas City. They're not, but
they've created balance. They're not as reliant on Josh Allen.
The front office is excellent. I think McDermott's evolved as
a head coach. They moved off a star receiver like
Kansas City, and they've become more complete first team ever
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thirty plus passing and rushing touchdowns. I like everything about Buffalo. Yeah,
I wish their defense was as good as the Eagles
and the Chiefs. It's not, but I think offensively, you
go to the last several Super Bowls it's the offense
making a play, regardless of how good the opposing defense is.
I like the Bills over Kansas City where Colin was wrong.
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Nick Siriani, he's in his second NFC championship. I don't
have to love his methods. But he's loud, Philly's loud.
He's emotional, Philly's emotional. It's just different. It's been a
rocky flight. But I will say this part of coaching
is getting your guys and your star players to rise
to the moment. And he does it, and I just
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think it works. He's fifty two and twenty three. It's
a hard city to coach in. Maybe Doug Peterson, who
won a Super Bowl, was too chill. Maybe Chip Kelly
was a bit too emotionally remote. Whatever it is, he
feels like a fan coaching the team. I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
It works Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well, my number one preseason surprise team to make the
playoffs was the Washington Commanders. Colin, there's too much change. Yeah,
but when all the other people are bad and all
the new people are good, who cares. I love the staff,
the GM, the coordinator. One host in America had the
courage to say, yeah, I think this twenty year tire
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fire is gonna make the playoffs. It was me a
little boy with big dreams and here's Washington in the
NFC championship.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Good for them, where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, I'm a Jared Goff loyalist. That was ugly. Three
picks lost to fumble. It was just ugly. I got
out played by a rookie, a great rookie. But when
they had Jamis Williams throwing it, the wide receiver from Alabama,
when he was throwing a pass, that felt like almost
a message, like, you know, on Jared Goff throwing the ball,
because when you do those you know, reverses, those receivers,
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they want to throw the ball. They're not gonna They're
not gonna tuck it. They're gonna throw the ball. So listen,
Sean McVay moved off golf. I don't think they're gonna
be moving off on them now. But you couldn't watch
that game as a pocket quarterback in wonder what's the
offseason going to be like, second, third, fourth round on
a pretty stacked roster. I think they'll roll the dice
snow Riley Leonard. They'll be shocked where Colin was right.
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Kansas City's not lucky. I've been hearing this all year.
They are circumstantially the best team in football, best coach,
best defensive coordinator, best quarterback. Yes, Mahomes can manipulate the officials,
but what do you know, Travis Kelcey. We say this
all the time. It's like Gronk. You go to the
NBA playoffs, the NFL playoffs, there's a red light that
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goes on for the great ones. And here's Travis Kelcey
seventy percent of the offense. So listen, eight straight games
without a turnover. I mean, just say that out loud.
In the NFL, the Chiefs have played eight straight games
without a turnover. That to me is not luck.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I said Mike McCarthy as the leverage, he should ask
for the moon against Dallas. He'll have a market and
all of it's been true. He now I believe could
be the favorite to get the Chicago Bears job. And
here's the thing about Mike McCarthy. Since he arrived in Dallas,
only the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen have a more
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productive offense. He won with farv an old, grumpy Farv.
He won with Aaron, he won with Dak, he went
with Cooper Rush, he won some games with Andy Dalton.
I believed it was a regressing franchise, and he is
still a marketable coach. We were right on Mike McCarthy,
who now is interviewing for other jobs.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You know, I love Sam Darnold, but those last couple
of games sixty six passer rating were not ideal. Yes,
I had him receiving MVP votes in Week fourteen and fifteen,
but it's how it ends. Jaden Daniels ends great. Sam
Darnold did not. I think he is now what he's
probably always been. Baker Mayfield litl reckless, darn Good, works
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his butt off, likable, B plus guy making mid thirties
a year.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Folks, all your billionaires, or at least most of them,
could afford what the Dodgers are doing. Who landed Roki Sasaki,
the next great young pitching star from Japan? You do
realize the Dodgers deferring payments. Every franchise could do that.
They also win trades. They have arguably the best minor
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league system. They stole taoscar Hernandez for nothing. This is
an organization that is hyper aggressive. All these owners in baseball,
even the A's and the Fisher family are billionaires. All
of these organizations can defer payments. It's absolutely legal. I
hear this all the time. Well, what is wrong with baseball?
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When the Yankees were dominating the Hot Stove League, it
was celebrated. People don't like it because they think they're
using some system that's not legal. Deferred payments are the
future of baseball, and the smartest team in the sport
has figured it out first.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Where Colin was right, Riley.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Leonard led his team to a Natty despite the fact
they have one five star athlete. I think this is
the most underrated player in college football. I think he's
going to go to an offensive coach like a McVeigh,
sit for two years, not play, and you look up
and he's getting reps on Sunday. I don't know. I
just when I watch him, tough athletic, got kind of
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a weird delivery, but every time they ask him to
make a big throw, he makes it. I think he
has been my favorite dark horse player in college football
for the entire year, and here he is taking a
team that doesn't have as many five star football recruits
as Kentucky to the national championship. Helps. He's got a
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great coach.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And with that, we got a great analyst. Matt Hasselbeck
is joining us live. You know, when I watched Buffalo yesterday,
it was funny. So Tyreek Hill left the Chiefs and
they had to pivot to being more efficient because they
weren't going to be they weren't going to be as
elegant over the top. And Stefan Diggs leaves and I'm like,
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this team runs the ball. They have pivoted to kind
of a more boring team. They don't allow sacks, they
don't get penalties, they don't turn it over. And I
keep saying to myself, they've kind of grown up. I
feel like I've watched the Bills grow up in the
last year.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Yeah, I agree with everything that you just said there.
And you know, the.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Committee approach at the running back position. I remember when
Josh Allen would lead the team in rushing and you
didn't see that yesterday. I mean, really, you know you
saw one running back running it down to the one
and another guy comes in to score a touchdown, Like,
so what who cares? We don't care about credit, we
don't care about carries. We're sharing the load. In the
running game, I would say the same thing in the
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passing game. I think nine different guys caught passes yesterday.
So it's much tougher to defend a guy, a quarterback
when he's spreading the ball around, taking what the defense
gives him in a sense, and like not really caring
about do I have to get this guy his touches
so he doesn't throw a little temper chantrum on the bench.
I think Buffalo has certainly lived that life. People live
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that life, but I think the life that they're living
right now, where it's more of a team and more
spreading it around, is certainly working for them.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
How much blame goes to Lamar Jackson? What did you think?
Speaker 9 (23:55):
You know?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
Lamar is one of my favorite quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
I think he's one of the great quarterbacks of all time,
and one of the things I absolutely love about him
is his leadership at the podium after the game. You
hear a lot of quarterbacks when the game doesn't go well,
they say, oh, we got to be better on third down.
We can't turn the ball over. It's like, bro, you
got to stop turning the ball over. You were the
reason we turned it over.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Lamar.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
You never hear that out of him. He always accepts
the blame. It's almost like it just comes right from
his head right to his mouth. He's like mad at himself.
I think that's one of the reasons that not only
do his teammates love him, the opponents respect him. I
think it's one of the reasons that he will eventually
get there. But clearly the interception early super uncharacteristic of Lamar,
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the fumble after the bad snap, taking a bad situation,
make it, making it worse. Those were two plays that
he's really going to be kicking himself about the entire offseason.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
But again, I just really.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Believe that that accountability at the quarterback position, not a
lot of guys have it.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Lamar has it.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
And so for that reason, for the long haul, I'll
take Lamar any day of the week.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
So you know, it's interesting the have sixty five net
passing yards, But I do believe that part of the
sustainability of this team is that Jalen Hurts is okay
with it. I mean, he played at BEMA, like he
knows like it's not just about me. And I also
think if I was a quarterback, and especially a guy
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that's a little smaller and has had injuries, I would
be okay having a star running back. Like I think
the personalities on this team Saquon professional, classy, quiet, Jalen Hurts, reserved,
like there's something about this team. Jalen is comfortable not
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leading them, and I think that's unique. I think most
quarterbacks wren't throw the ball. I think they like to.
I mean, Howie Longos jokes, you can't have multiple quarterbacks
in the room. They all take the oxygen out of it.
What do you make of hurt style, some inefficiencies, What
do you make of this offense?
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Well, I do think he is the leader, and I
think he's got a great leadership style. He doesn't care
about leading in the stats, you know, in terms of
the passing game. But I think they got to be better.
They got to be better in the passing game. I'll
just flat out say it. The quarterback that they're playing
is amazing as a runner and as amazing as a thrower.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
And that's not just on Jalen. The guys around him
got to step up.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
It was bad weather this weekend, It's gonna be bad
weather probably the next weekend.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
You got to catch the ball in bad weather. The
better player.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
The guys around him got to step up and play
well in cold weather. But at the same time, I thought,
I don't know if it was injury or what. Jalen
Hurts didn't look like the best version of Jalen Hurts
that I've seen. So he's got to raise his game
and be at his best. Do I think Philly, can
you know not fly Eagles, fly ron Eagles run to
the Super Bowl? I do, But at the same time,
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they do need more out of their passing game. I
know they say they could do it if they wanted to.
You're gonna need it against Washington. In my opinion, you.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Can lose at home in a playoff game, but the
way Detroit lost, does that resonate in the offseason. Do
you think they're they're going to kind of review some
things That was ugly, some of an injury, but some
of it just mistakes.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I think sometimes, and you saw it in some of
the games. You can try too hard, you can want
it too bad, and I think that was just the case.
If you look at all the teams that didn't win,
turnovers were really the story of the weekend. You got
to protect the ball. You can't be sloppy with it.
You can't be careless, you can't, I think, just try
to force something that's not there. And really, you know,
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turnovers they did. That's what did Detroit in And I
know they won a game earlier this year where they
had a bunch of turnovers, but by and large, if
you want to know the formula to not losing, you
have to protect that football. There's a lot of coaches
in the NFL. They've got signs all around the building.
I remember when Pete Carroll came to Seattle from USC,
he took down just about every sign that Mike signed
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in picture that Mike Holdngrin had hanging there for like
ten years. And Jim Mora after that, he took them
all down and he put up basically in every single
room there was a sign that said it's all about
the ball.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
And so whether you have or sign or not, that
is true.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
Turnovers will get you beat, and that's what's got the
Detroit Lions beat this weekend.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Okay, I watched Eli Manning, Joe Burrow go on the road,
go through the playoffs as an underdog and get to
Super Bowls. It can happen. The personnel wise, Washington Philly
feels like a massive, a massive mismatch. How much of
a shot do you give Jayden Daniels and the Commanders.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Well, unfortunately I lost to Super Bowl to a wildcard
team in the Pittsburgh Steelers, who did just the same thing.
And I also, if you look at just like what's
gone on, the home teams are usually winning, but.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
It hasn't mattered to Washington.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
I see people talking about their inexperience being a negative.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
It is not a negative.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
They went on the road to Tampa against the hot
Baker Mayfield, and Mike Evanstein said, so what, there's a
game anyone, anywhere, anytime, let's go, let's win it.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
They go the next week, they win it.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
They're going to Philly like they they don't care, like
they don't even know, Like they don't they're not like,
oh man, remember we had those home playoff games, Like
it's nothing to them.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
So I just think that they're so engrossed in the game.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
They've got poise that's never been never been seen before
out of a rookie quarterback, and they're playing so well.
Cliff Kingsbury has them dialed in. I think dan Quinn
has the bigger job on defense because I don't think
the defense is as talented as the offense in Washington.
So that'd be the big question for me. But can
they get to the super Bowl? I said it on
this show a couple of weeks ago, three weeks a
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month ago. Absolutely, you could have a rookie quarterback in
the Super Bowl, and Jayden Daniels is the guy to me.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So let's let's go back segue back to Bill's Chiefs.
So it's interesting Buffalo's beaten Kansas ATY several times, not
in the game, but this does not feel like Baltimore
Kansas to me. We're just Baltimore just can't get past it.
We saw I think was first week of the year,
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Baltimore lost by a tota. Candisy, I think Buffalo feels
we've beaten these guys. We've beaten these guys multiple times.
I don't think psychology plays a role in this game.
I think better team wins, but I haven't played the game.
You have when you get to a conference championship, to
those ghosts reappear for Buffalo.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I think it's a pretty mentally
tough team.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
They know each other really well. You know, I kind
of mentioned that all year. I felt like all these teams,
you know, Kansas City and Buffalo, they were going to
go in through the motions knowing that these guys were
going to meet up at the end of the year
at some point, and that's what you see. I really
think home field advantage is going to be the biggest
player in this game. You heard Tony Romo talking about it,
like getting into the perfect play, not wasting plays, using
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your cadence. That's an advantage that Buffalo has had so
far in the playoffs. I think Josh Allen does a
great job of that, but I think the best in
the league is Patrick mahomes At using his cadence, getting
the protection right, getting into the right play, and so
that home field advantage there is a reason why guys
care about it so much. It's not so much like, oh,
you're you know, you need people cheering for you, or
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you don't want people pooing against you. No, it's the
communication at the line of scrimmage for these new age
offenses that are calling one, two or three plays in
the huddle, and it's just so important to get that
communication done right. And you talk about no penalties, it's
a lot easier to have no penalties, especially offensively when
you're at home.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
So the rule states very clearly in the NFL you
can't challenge roughing the passer. And it also says we
looked it up this morning when in doubt, call roughing.
If you think it's roughing, call it. They demand that
it's in big black letters and underlined in the rule book.
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It's like we stay in baseball, ty goes to the runner,
tye goes to the quarterback. Call it. I also think
Mahomesman manipulates refs, So does Lebron. Does it bother you
what you're seeing or did you try to whenever you
could to kind of leverage and manipulate moments physically.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
Yeah, I think there's a fine line there. I think
the NFL get it right. I think everyone's a little
bit embarrassed by, you know, the fact that they didn't
get the call right. I think replay assist will probably
come in at some point, but I'm kind of okay
with like what happened, because I do think they'll get
it fixed. The Mahomes at the sideline flopping, I mean,
I used to give Andrew Luck a lot of heat
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about that. I used to think, like he sometimes flop.
You know, he was a huge soccer fan, and I
was like, Okay, listen, this isn't soccer.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
You know.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
But at the end of the day, I think they
will get it right. Do I think they got it
right in that game? No, No, they didn't. There's room
for improvement. But I also don't think that's why the
Texans lost the game. I think the Texans lost the
game for other reasons, and so I'm not going to
sit here and discredit the Chiefs for the reason, you know,
that being the reason they won the game. But did
penalties have a huge play in that early drive? Yeah
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it did, It really did.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
But again, I think it's just something everyone needs to
learn from basically.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Now, I will say, for the record, on the Will
Anderson hit, from the perspective of the official when it
happened in real time, Matt, I thought it was I
mean the way from my television seat, I watched it
like this one right here. My first take was, oh,
that's helmet to helmet and so yeah, I mean, I boom,
that looks right there, like helmet to helmet the first
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time you see it quickly.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Yeah, And that's why I will never criticize officials. It's
bang bang, you're trying to do the best you can.
Happens in real time. I think our officials do a
really good job. Actually, but we're using replay assists for
all this other stuff, and there's only one game going
on during the playoffs. It's not a one o'clock game
on a Sunday during the regular season where there's so
much to watch.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
You got to get this right.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
We have slow motion, we have high def, we have
replay assists. That's where I'm saying, like, hey, now listen.
I also would say, watching the Baltimore versus Buffalo game
the next night, you can't tell me that those officials
and just let those guys play. It was a completely
different game how it was officiated.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Consistency was not there.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
I saw an official get knocked over to the ground
after a late hit on a fight. Nothing happened, like
they weren't even calling PI. So like to think that
like there wasn't some sort of conversation.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Like, hey, we maybe over did it, over protected.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
I saw Lamar Jackson, who probably gonna win the MVP,
get tackled out of bounds with I mean, trust me,
these guys are human.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
They're talking about it.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
But until the competition committee gets together in the offseason
and puts a proposal out there, don't I don't know how.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
Much they can get a change in a way that's consistent.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, I think you make up a great point. There
was a lot of physicality in the Ravens Bills game,
and it's you know, listen, officials watch. They're all sitting
watching that one game at their hotel and they're going,
oh boy, this is bad that they're on their phones
and everybody's saying official stink. So point made by.
Speaker 8 (34:55):
And even the golf interception on the pick six when
he took it in the chin, he literally takes the
helmet straight to the chin and there's no flag, And
again I think that's where people are kind of like, well,
why did it happen for one quarterback. I do think
there's a little bit of a market correction. And the
officials do communicate from game to game. They talk about it.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Matt Hasselbeck is always in a Monday money thanks for
coming on the show Bizowa's see khon. Yeah. Yeah, it's
the reality of it, Like games bleed into games. People
sit in their hotel rooms, everybody's watching football, and you
watch them a homes game and think, we got to
back off and let these guys play. I've seen in
the NBA series game to game the official officiating change,
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Like if it gets really really physical and choppy in
Game one and tempers flare, it's almost like they get
a call from the league office and the refs will
in the first quarter of the game call everything and
just course correct. We've seen this in the NFL in
the preseason when they over officiate a new rule. So
I remember a couple years ago in the Super Bowl,
the Philly Special, when they allowed juggling as catches, like
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because the league was getting so much heat and there
was a ball in the back of the end zone
for the Eagles and they kind of bobbled it. That
was an incompletion all year and I'm not complaining, but
it was like leagues do react, watch games, talk to officials.
It felt like Baltimore Buffalo let the guys play.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
So what's your guess is what happens in case Buffalo
because Colin Listen, Troy Haiitman used to work here. I
haven't heard an announcer put the league on blast the
way he did in that Texan Chiefs game. And it
was right, it was justified. He had a lot of backing. Again,
these Island games, thirty million people are watching, and it's
very obvious to all of them what's happening.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Well, I've always I think you and I both believe this.
When the higher the stakes, the less I want officials
dictating anything. I do understand officials early in seasons or
early in games saying guys like when you played the
Ravens or you played the Patriots, and the Patriots with
Belichick were very grabby on the perimeter. Their cornerbacks would
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grab you, and officials throwing early flag. They're like, Bill,
we're not letting you do that off. Yeah, Like so
I am for an official being overly assertive early. But
you know, I'll say it again. I thought the Will
Anderson hit was when I watched it in real time,
my take was, oh, that's a shot. Mahomes sells it.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Well, wait, don't can you explain to me what the
heck replay assist is? Because it seems to work very
willy nilly, and I started asking around on text message.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
They're like, I don't get it. The league is unclear.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
When does chime in?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like this is a great point. Remember you and I
there was about a six year period in this league
or longer I didn't know what the hell of catch was.
It started with a Calvin Johnson catch against the Bears
in the end zone and they wouldn't allow it, and
all of a sudden it was heightened during the dead
Bryan Bryant Packers and I brought Roger Gandell on the
show and I asked him and he was great about it.
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I said, I love your sport. I don't know what
a catch is, and he's like, we have to address it.
I think to your question, here was Will Anderson this
morning on the Mahomes hit and officiating.
Speaker 9 (38:06):
I'm not the type of the chase calls. The NFL
can do whatever they need to do for the thing.
I feel like, as I pray, you just have to
keep playing. Some calls were, you know, in my opinion,
could have been better calls. And that's Okay, that's my opinion.
But at the end of the day, it's about us.
We have to do a better job of executing. We
have to do a better job of going out there
and being ready and no matter what the outcome is,
we have to do a better job of handling checks
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his business on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, he's right, and listen, it's the NFL is a business.
Businesses tweak. This is what they do. The NFL has
always been the ultimate tweak sport. They're unlike baseball, which
took them forever to get a pitch clock or defensive
shift abandoned. The NFL will fix stuff rules committee. They'll
tweak stuff. I mean, in years weren't officiating isn't controversial.
(38:50):
They tweak. And they just changed the kickoff this year.
A couple of years ago they changed the pat They
will tweak.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Yeah, and you know, I coach my kids in sports,
colin I am. I am aggressive defensively, I say, guys,
I want you handsy, I want you all over them.
Let the refs call it. If the refs call it,
then we got to back off. But I want to
see this game Buffalo in Kansas City. I want the
ref's hands off. Let the teams play the game. Don't
be all like, oh, here's a fly on the buffalo I
want to see let him play, all right?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Just know the Chiefs have the better defense, and so
if the Bills have the better quarterback, well, subscribing to
your theory, let them play. Then the Chiefs defense will
grab and hold and clutch. Hey McIntyre said, try grabbing
Josh Allen on the run, big boy. Huh, Try grabbing
a call on Nick Bolton?
Speaker 9 (39:38):
What do you got?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I can't wait for this game.
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