January 21, 2025 • 31 mins
Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to react to Ohio State dominating their way through the first 12-team playoff and winning the National Championship over Notre Dame
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Well, I have so much respect for what Notre Dame
did last night. They just keep fighting and fighting and fighting.
And Joel Clatt is now joining us the voice of
college football here at Fox Sports. So I know a
lot of people look at Ohio State. Now, Ohio State
has to rebuild their defense. We'll get to that in
a second. They'll be fine. I think let's talk Notre
Dame for a second, because I said last night, if
they won, I think if I was the Chicago Bears,
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I may have restarted my search. I mean, I do
think he's got a Sean McVay quality. He's got the
he's got kind of the confidence, yeah, the decency, the
player connection. So let's just look at Notre Dame football
because I think I look at their two pretty good
next year. Yes, I think Notre Dame is not going anywhere.
They're gonna have probably the best offensive line in the
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country next year yep. And both backs back Love and Price,
so they're gonna be able to run the football. The
question is going to be quarterback and what they do,
whether they go portal or they go with young guys,
and that remains easier to solve today than twenty years ago.
But Marcus Freeman, more specifically to the way you kind
of led with that with that question, he has elevated
Notre Dame football. I want to be very clear, Brian
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Kelly did an excellent job at Notre Dame because what
Brian Kelly did was he raised their level from a
historically good program to just a really good program in
and of themselves. He was winning ten games, he was
making playoff appearances, went to a National championship game. Although
you could see the gap between that BAMA team and
Notre Dame. Now Brian Kelly moves on and Marcus Freeman
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gets the job, Marcus Freeman has risen the level of
Notre Dame from a very good program to an elite
level program. They were in a one possession game in
the fourth quarter of an National championships. Watched those as
you get you watch their second you watch their speed. Yes,
they're there. They are elite speed now. And I will
say in the second half, you know, they played Ohio
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State about as well as anybody in the playoff. I mean,
Ohio State was running rough shot over Tennessee and Oregon
and and yeah, Texas played him well, and that was
a tough game. But that second half, Marcus Freeman had
had a level of grit and toughness that can only
be forged through a great culture, and he's building a
great culture at Notre Dame. I will say this after
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last last night, I think Marcus Freeman, if he decides
to stay there, and obviously he's going to have NFL suitors,
whether it's now or even in the subsequent years. If
Marcus Freeman stays at Notre Dame for any length of time,
I think he wins a national championship at Notre I.
I think that they really agree. I think also pressed
elite program. They don't want to go to the Big Ten,
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which is significantly better than the ACC. So there's some
wins on that program. I mean there's some baked in
w like you're Big ten, nobody's going undefeated. I mean,
it's just too tough. Notre Dame's schedule this last year
was just not that difficult. That's what made the Northern
Illinois loss of shocking, because after they beat Texas A
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and M, it's like there's not another loss on the schedule.
And even with the I don't think that the ACC
is a great conference right now. I don't know their depth,
and so Notre Dame's in a really good position and
they will be right back in the in the thick
of things next year. I'd be shocked if they're not.
I think they're in the best position in college football
is that they don't have to play in the Big
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Ten or the SEC. They get to play in a
week conference. But because they have a national brand, they
can recruit at an elite level. I think Notre Dame
is positioned even better than Ohio State because every other
year you got to go to ann Arbor, and you're
going to have to go to Otson and you'll go
to West Seattle, and it's just so let's pivot to
Ohio State the offense next year, and the portal makes
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it much easier. Ohio State's going to find a quarterback.
They've got so many damn good receivers. Well, and I
think the quarterbacks are largely there. I just don't not
to interrupt the car right well, no, that's Notre Dame.
DJ Carr is going to be a freshman for Notre
Dame for Ohio State. Right now, you've got Julian say
I transferred from Alabama last year at this time after
Nick Saban retired, he's been in the program, and then
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he'll be in a competition with a five star recruit
who's now on campus and will be practicing this spring,
name TeV in Saint Clair. So they're likely going to
go with a young player. But here's the thing, is like,
if we want to give the benefit of the doubt
to programs like Georgia for the way that they recruit,
and rightly so, because of the rosters that they build,
even when they lose great players, you understand that the
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players behind them are also great players. You made a
point in the last segment and I will one hundred
percent agree with this. The best offensive player in college
football next year is Jeremiah Smith. The best defensive player
in college football next year is Caleb Downs. Well, that's
a heck of a start of a foundation. If you're
going to try to rebuild, they also will. They also
have a young running back. Two guys are leading to
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the pros. They have a good running back in the fold. Yes,
their O line will be better next year because they
had so many injuries this year. Yeah, the injury issue
was huge. So the guys that started against Notre Dame,
that interior will be back. So like, for instance, this
will give you an example of kind of their line
of scrimmage. Michigan against Alabama and the Rose Bowl technically
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didn't have their starters playing defensive line on fourth down.
Those were all technically reserves, right, This is Mason Graham,
Kenneth Grant, Derek Moore, Josiah Stewart. Well, they came back
and they were quote new starters this year on the
defensive line. But it's not like they're not new starters.
So something similar could be said about this Ohio State
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offensive line. These guys that just played a playoff, four
straight Top ten teams, four straight wins of double digits,
running the football, doing all of those things, those three
are going to be back. Yeah. That's gonna be a
big point I think of strength for Ohio State going
into next season.
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Now, some will push back and saying I'm being la provocateur.
I do not see that. I have made the argument
that the keen number in college football is sixty six thousand,
because that's how many people go to Ohio State, and
that big ten students flee the Midwest for jobs on
the coast. Southern kids, the weather's good, the economy in
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the south's been growing for a long time. They graduate
SEC schools and they stay in the South, and there's
nothing wrong with that. But these big ten kids from
monster universities. Thirteen of the twenty three biggest universities in
America are big ten, sixty six thousand, fifty eight thouy seventy.
They go out with those big ten degrees. They go
to New York, in LA and DC and Boston and
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LA and sen for just go and make big money
and they get it right back to their school. And
if the collective and the Nilan Bama came out, they're
a D. And Bama's ad said, can you guys give
fifty bucks, like we're running out of cash. Nick Saban
saw that three years ago when he complained about Texas
coming into the conference. Nick saw it three years ago.
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Financially is a money game. Now I think I think
Penn State, those graduates are all over Philadelphia, New York.
So yes, yes, I mean listen, you are right in
a certain respect. I don't think it gives them like
some substantial margin or benefit over other programs. Programs in
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the South can raise a lot of money. No, I'm
not saying that. But when Bama comes out and said
when Brian Kelly and now, I think that's a specific
Alabama issue. I don't think Georgia has that issue, or
Texas has that issue, or A and M or Tennessee
uns you does. Brian Kelly said, I'll give you a
million dollars of my salary. Briandy didn't have to do that. Well,
I mean listen, Ryan Day had to give up play
calling duties and go in fundraise last December in order
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to keep his roster intact. So listen again, I don't
think you're wrong. It's the biggest largest living alumni base
in college sports, is the Big ten alumni base, and
so that is a big deal in this era where
fans can have more of an immediate impact through their
donations to NIL. Now, the reason I'm pausing is because
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the structure of college football moving forward will change and
is changing and needs to change all of those things.
In April, we're largely going to have this settlement come
out through the House Settlement, which is going to allow
for revenue sharing. Well, that's going to put even more
programs at a higher level with funds that they have
because they can use program funds for their players. So
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every team in the SEC and the Big Ten is
going to have roughly eighteen and a half million dollars
just to spend on players as essentially salary. Okay, so
that's going to continue to equalize out college football. Let
me just give you an example. I don't think any
conference is just going to dominate from here moving forward.
Well I don't either, but I think the Big Ten
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moved ahead of the SEC. Well certainly because they have
the last two champions. Right, So they have the last
two champions, and you see the level of play at
the top end, and next year the Big Ten's probably
going to be even stronger than it was. I think
there's no question. So yes, the Big ten is experiencing
a really solid performance in terms of on the field
performance and strength, in particular at the top end. However,
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when I look at college football, like I did a
way too early top ten for next year and that
episode comes out on my show on Thursday, and doing
the exercise, I was like, dang, three years ago, Colin,
I could I could immediately write four teams at the top,
and then you start scratching your head and you're like, oh,
who's I don't know who's actually good, who's not very good.
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The exercise was here's the top four and then there's
everybody else, and there was quite a gap. It's not
like that. It's not like that anymore. You're going to
go into next season. I have an argument like, I'm
gonna put Penn State spoiler alert, number one in the country.
There's certainly top three, okay, and largely because they're going
to follow a very specific blueprint that has worked for
Michigan and Ohio State in the last two years. And
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I can get into that you know later. But you
could talk me into them being sixth. You can I
put Clemson at seven. You could talk me into them
being eighteen. I'm telling you, from from one to eighteen
in college football next year, it's kind of like you
can talk me into or out of any one of
those teams. What do you do with Michigan? What do
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you do with Alabama? What do you do with South
Carolina and Leonardo Sellers? What do you do with Florida?
What do you do with LSU and neuss Meyer coming back?
What do you do with Ohio State trying to replace
their defense? What do you do with Georgia trying to
replace their What do you do with Lagan? What do
you do with Oregon? Right? So, college football is in
such an amazing place right now, and I think that
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we're just going to continue to get kind of equalized
out driving more parity moving forward. Okay, So I got
to get to the bottom of this. So Dion Sanders,
Cowboys coach, that thing disappeared. I told you that, I
told you he's not going to Dallas. Well, but with
all due respect, did I not? You did? The playmaker?
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Mike Lurvin said he was? You said he was? And
I'm caught between two guys. I like, okay, so was it?
Did Colorado step up and pay him more. Was he
trying to get more money from the buffs. I don't
want to like step on everything because I know it's
it's not fun. Nothing is finalized. Listen. Is he signing
his extension? I don't know that he doesn't need to.
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He could leave his contract as is. I know that
there's been extension conversations. Okay, I know Colorado has come
significantly up. I think he would like them to come
up in several areas, not just his salary, but possibly
assistant pool, facility stuff, commitment to nil outside of revenue sharing.
So there's there's there's there is talk and like any negotiation,
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whether he was going to go to Dallas or not
go to Dallas, or stay at Colorado or not stay
at Colorado. When you're in a position like that, he's
doing and his management team is doing what he should,
which is try to generate as much leverage as possible.
Having conversations with Jerry Jones is leverage. Yeah, you know,
and I think from Jerry's perspective it might be the
same thing. But I will just continue to say, and
I'm going to be very consistent about this, he's a
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great fit at Colorado because Colorado has given him the
keys to the castle. He has turned Colorado into prime.
They are the prime Buffaloes. They said, hey, man, are
traditions yours. Do whatever you want with our program because
we need you. And because of that, he's become a
great fit there and they've really embraced him. Can't do
that at the NFL level, just based on the structure
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of the NFL and some of the ownership hierarchy issues
that you get with management. So I think he's in
a good spot. I hope he stays, and I believe
that he will. Hey, I have Ohio state number one
next year, Texas to Penn State three, and then the
rest of the big ten a half that. Hey, listen,
that's good. All I'm saying is, you know, people, this
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is this. You can't stockpile talent anymore. No. If you
in the SEC, Alabama and Georgia used to have the
best starting unit and then their backups could probably also
beat your starting unit. You know, like they were too
deep with a team that could win a national championship,
win a conference title anywhere else. Let me throw this out.
You can't do that in my lifetime. Jeremiah Smith is
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the most NFL capable NFL ready freshman I've ever seen. Oh, okay, good,
I like this object. I'm sure it's good. I went
and looked. There's only one other for me, but continue,
Adrian Peterson. That's exactly right. Okay, So I look, I
went this morning. I get up early in the morning,
you know, me grinding, Yeah, sit up at like three
p forty. And when I was doing that, I looked
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at the Minnesota Vikings and the Cincinnati Bengals receiving cores,
and I'm like, no, he makes those two. He makes.
He's nineteen. He makes every NFL roster, and outside of
Minnesota and Cincinnati, I'd argue he starts for everybody. He's
got to play two more years of college football, which
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means in four years, Jeremiah Smith is the best receiver
in football. He's the number one on any team in
the NFL. I believe he has a chance to be
an all time great. He's got a chance to be
one of the greatest wide receivers that we've ever seen.
His combination of size, speed, his no body fat, no
body fat body control ability to catch the ball, his
route running ability, which you saw him display last night.
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Like he's the best freshman I've ever seen and so
quick story. Okay, So in two thousand and four, I
was still playing and we Colorado. I'm the quarterback of
Colorado and we go to play against Oklahoma a lifetime ago.
I'm about to be forty three, so I'm a man
That sounded like Mike Gundy almost went Mike Gundhy there,
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But okay. So we go to play the Big Twelve
Championship game against Oklahoma. They're number one in the BCS
at the time. This is Jason White's Heisman year, I believe,
or he was coming off of that. I remember that
they had just an excellent team. Excellent team. Orlando Brown
is their tackle, yeah, and a freshman running back named
Adrian Peterson. We played at Arrowhead Stadium. It's December third,
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whatever it is, and I went out for you know,
pregame warm ups, and I look over and like they're
an impressive team. They're number one in the country. Dan
Cody is over there like they've gotten dudes right, and
Adrian Peterson I was like, oh my gosh, he's like
he's gonna kill us. What are we gonna do? I
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remember specifically in that game, we had a smaller corner.
He was probably about I don't know, five nine, one
hundred and eighty five pounds fast quick, you know all
this thing. He's a corner and Adrian Peterson gets this
gallop going you don't remember the angry gallop that and
he starts running and he kind of bounces this ball
outside in our corner. Jarrett Burrell was his name, goes
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up to make the hit, and I was like cringing
before it happened. I was like, no, don't do it, Jared,
like this is gonna be so bad. And he looked
like the cartoon chicken. What gets hitting? The feathers go everywhere,
and I'm just like, Adrian Peterson was incredible. And so
that was the best football player I'd ever seen as
a true freshman in my life. And then I walked
out in spring football last year and I went to
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see an Ohio State practice and I said, oh my gosh,
that kid is incredible. And every one of those players,
including a Mecca Abuka, looked at me and I said,
how good is he? And he says he's the best
we've had. That's Ohio State saying that players at Ohio
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State saying that who had just seen Marvin Harrison Junior
helped me, Garrett Wilson, Chris o'lave, Jackson Smith, and Jigba
Jamison Williams who had to transfer in order to be
an All American all first round wide receivers, and every
one of them, they're just like, Oh, yeah, he's he's
he's the best. He is the best wide receiver I've
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ever seen at his age period. He would be a
top three pick in the draft. Now, No, I had
a GM. Tell me a week ago if Caleb Downs
and Jeremiah Smith were available. This is a week draft.
He's like, I'm not so sure they're not one and two.
He goes, He goes, the value of Travis Hunter is
going to be interesting. Talented? Is Caleb Downs? I really don't. Yeah,
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but you have to understand like that whole receiver corner. Yeah, exactly, nonsense.
Oh I'm sorry, sorry. I just impact greatly the game
on both sides of the football. That's none. S. Pick
a lane, Pick a lane. I'm just gonna get back
to the fact that I think Smith could be an
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all time great, all time great wide receiver. I truly
believe he will be a ten time All Pro whenever,
and and I know, like I don't want to put
the cart before the horse. Don't want to get too
much pressure on this guy. Okay, so we agree with
Jeremiah Smith and Adrian Peterson give me the just and threes.
So we both agreed that I would have agreed Adrian
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Peterson and and Jeremih Smith looked different. Has there been
another player in cause I in football? Yeah? Oh man,
did you? I mean there were? There have been true
freshmen that have been great players, but not that looked
like that that they like. Murice Colerett was a great
true freshman player, right, he was terrific, led them to
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a national championship, But he didn't look like he could
go dominate the NFL that year. He was just a
great college player that year. You know you understand the difference.
I'll tell you guy, I'm Peterson and Smith look like
they could go dominate the NFL now, like put him
in the Super Bowl. I will say this. Kirby Smart
has told people Brock Bowers is the most talented player
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he's ever had. Let me say something. He was a
Napa high school Wine Country, so I saw how tough
can you be from white that's what I thought. So
I looked at his high school video and I'm like,
terrible league. And then I watched him as a freshman
at Georgia and I'm like he was good. I'm like,
he's eighteen. The Raiders split him out wide and he's
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beating corners up the field. Yeah, and yet still he like,
as a true freshman, Smith is the best player on
the field. I know, periods. It's wild. It blows my mind,
it really does. I think Peterson's young. The only other
eighteen year old that I've ever seen that assumed be like, oh,
you can dominate the professional ranks right now. It was
Lebron James. That's the category that those guys kind of
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fall into. That's pretty good, all right. I don't mean
to rub it into the sec. I mean that's not
who I was. So revisionist. I have sat on this
couch for many years. No, and I'm just going to
tell you American people, I have heard this whole idea
that like, oh, the northern schools, it's snows, it's cold,
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No one's ever going to go there again. It's over.
Northern schools are never gonna win again in their lifetime.
You said, that about Notre Dame, you said that about Michigan,
you said that against Ohio State. Everything's changed now, very
immature back then, You've grown up, grown up a lot.
All right, buddy, It's great to see you as well. Heard.
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You've got a great, good story. The final one is
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Lamar Jackson came up just short of his first Super
Bowl appearance yet again. The two time MVP is now
in five in the playoffs in his career.
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Fullback Patrick Ricard believes that it's just a matter of
time until Lamar wins it all.
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It's inevitable he's gonna win a Super Bowl, and I
want to be a part of it, and it just sucks.
Hasn't happened yet, you know, But you know, I feel
I personally feel bad for him because she deserves it,
just because of how great of the player he is,
Like he deserves to be considered one of the best quarterbacks.
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He already is.
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But I know everyone considers championships as the standard, and
you know he'll he'll get it one day.
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He'll get there.
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Jase Cardon will get there. I'm sorry, Lamar Jackson will get.
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You think he's James Harden.
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Dominant regular season player and the postseason is one.
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One is really the soul of a team. Harden was hardened.
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The Houston Rockets when they went.
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Toe to toe with Curry and Durant. Couldn't get along
with anybody. Chris Paul West, Okay.
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That's fair. Personality.
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Lamar gets along with everybody.
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We got some numbers here, Lamar highest winning percentage by
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Josh Allen is too. I don't even know it.
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Just Nelson, I don't see a railing on. Pat Hayden.
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Was hen announcer, or was an announcer.
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It was us ad. He was a good player.
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Yeah, Lamar has double the winds he does.
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But nevertheless, you know Mark Sanchez has four playoff wins, right,
Lamar has three? Yeah, I put that out there.
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Next up, college Mike McCarthy.
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He was a front runner for the Bear's job and
are disappearing. What's happening?
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Very interesting now. McCarthy says he didn't get the Bears
and went to Ben Johnson.
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It's like, oh, the.
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Saints are interested. Is that a good job for McCarthy?
You know, the weather in New Orleans and who currently
is really bad. There's snow Houston and showing that that
region is getting buried right now. So we don't even
know if McCarthy will be able to interview live. There
is this even a good landing spot? And I gotta ask, well,
what about the Jaguars.
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I don't think it's a good spot. Trevor Lawrence Trent
Balkey situation is a stay away situation. He and herror
he ran Harbord to San Francisco. There's no way he'd
Balkey deserves credit. He's being able to align himself with owners.
Oh okay, but it's it's he's done a good job.
He's political or whatever. It is. He's done a great
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job with that. But I'm staying away from that game.
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Do you think the Saints job is good?
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Remember Derek Carr, I get the Benson family, I get
Mickey Loomis operations. I think their scouting department's been pretty
good through the years. I think New Orleans and that
division is always winnable. I mean, who's I mean you start,
who's the.
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Quarterback next year?
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Is a car because car said he's not doing a restructure,
he's not giving a dive back.
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All right, Well I have to move off Derek Carr. Okay,
but I'll take the ownership and the stability of the Saints.
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Why multi year rebuilt in New Orleans?
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Nic was mild at you on a quarterback? You're fine
if if I win the lottery.
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I'm aware of.
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The Saints drafting right now.
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Not not high enough.
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I mean, maybe they go for Will Howard in the
second round, or maybe Bill Howard's not going in the
second round.
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Where Kyle McCord from Syracuse is going on, there's.
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Your answer, Kyle McCord. Everybody he's gonna side.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I wouldn't get too snarky. Saints are drafting ninth Shador
Sanders probably gonna go fifth or sixth.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Okay, cam Woord going one. It'll be Milroe or Kyle
what's his face? What's his name?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Kyle? What's his fast?
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I just Kyle McCord. Put some respect on that name.
He's gonna go second round, Syracuse quarterback and somebody's gonna
get real lucky with Kyle McCord.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Okay, let's move on to the final star column. This
is just emerging here.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Lamello Ball is apparently a trade target of the Lakers.
Now this has come out on Bleacher Report. I tried
to dig in.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
During the commercial to the credibility of the reporter because
this sounds crazy. Okay, the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Obviously need another star to try to prepare for the
future without Lebron, and they're talking about LaMelo Ball from
the Hornets.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
LaMelo Ball is an All Star caliber player.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
He's very good when he's available.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
And they're talking about getting from the Lakers Dalton connect, Rui,
Hachi Mora, Jared Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent and first round picks
for LaMelo Ball.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Why on earth would the Hornets do that?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Like, no, I would take that if I was the
Lakers in one minute.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Of course you would, But there's no way they're giving
a LaMelo Ball a franchise.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Those expiring contracts.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Not Dalton Connect. He's on the rookie deal. I'm gonna
have to look into.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I would take Dalton Connect as a shooter. But is
Ruey and Vanderbilt? Are they expiring? That's the attraction?
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, Well, and the multiple first round picks is nice,
But if the Lakers have lebron A d and LaMelo
and Austin Reeves, you're not drafting that high.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I think this is nonsense.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
But what's interesting is is this floated by the Lamello
camp because maybe he's sick of the losing and he's
a he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Want to live in Carolina, and he probably wants to
live in La.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
His brother's now a big, burgeoning rap star.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Apparently he's a good player.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
LaMelo balls very very good.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
It's very good body at.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Top twenty player in the league. Yeah, he's bank at
the box office. People love him, the kid love him.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
No, he's a good player. The idea that Dalton, by
the way, your brand is dead. If you're playing for
them Lakers, you have a brand. I think a lot
with with LeVar LaMelo, Lonzo Ball, the Lakers will elevate
your brand. By the way, we say this all the time.
Athletes love la you know Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George, Matt Stafford,
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you know Mookie Betts. Athletes love California. Yes, you pay taxes,
but you're you are center, front and center. It's the
entertainment capital. Dodgers lineup looks like an All Star Yeah. Yeah,
that LaMelo's things interesting. I would trade eight guys for him.
You gotta clean that Laker roster out anyway.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
I mean this, I loved all to connect.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I like, really, this is a poop poo platter from
the news shot in his avenue.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I was just singing to this. So Mike McCarthy, I'm
gonna throw this out there. This is very succession sounding.
So Mike McCarthy spurns the cowboys. Hown't come. Mike McCarthy's
name isn't out there anymore and he's not getting the jobs.
Did Jerry make a few calls? Oh, I'm just throwing
it out there, like Mike McCarthy this is an owner's league.
(28:41):
Mike McCarthy is like the top candidate for like two jobs,
and now it's gonna go to Pete Carroll, Ben Johnson,
Aaron Glent, McCarthy's not up for any of the jobs. Suddenly,
not weird. I'm not insinuating anything, just taking it out
for you, Bud.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Just be careful.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
No, I'm just saying people make calls. It's weird. He
was like the he was the one or two candidate
for four You know who screwed.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
It up with Jayden Daniels. Jade Daniels beating Detroit messed
up everything for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Why well, Ben Johnson became available, and the bearer said,
will take you, thank you very much. We got a quarterback,
we got you know, in the division, you're gonna have
a chance.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So you think Jade and Daniels beating Detroit and those
two guys fly.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Yeah, Aaron glenn is talking about the Jets.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
We have McCarthy like a hot Canada a week ago.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Yeah, I guess that's a tough spot for McCarthy. I
would take Jacksonville over New Orleans and a heartbeat. I
know you don't like Balky and nobody really.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Want why it's the owner. I'm just saying that the
stories I read lead me to believe that you it gets.
The Niners situation with Balky and Harbaugh was ugly.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
It was also like ten years ago, we want to
give guys second chances, third chances.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Mike McCarthy just disappeared under the ethos.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
It is kind of weird what happened to him.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So Diana Russini says, the Saints or the own landing
spot for McCarthy. He was the number two candidate. He
was the number one once Rabel went to the Patriots.
Mike was the number one candidate with Ben Johnson and
like all the jobs now he's not even mentioned.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Hey, how come you're not wearing your tinfoil hat right
now during this.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's not a tinfoil hat. I'm just suggesting to you. Now, maybe,
and I don't think this is bad, maybe he pulled
himself out.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
That's possible.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Mike could have said this stuff's a bit of a mess.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Chicago's too cold, I want to go down to New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
New Orleans isn't a great job right now, but it's
not terrible. I mean, you do get stability upstairs. So
these are the current jobs open. The Raiders job, I
think the Jets job because the roster. I think the
Jets roster is good.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Better job. Raiders are Saints.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Saints why because I get stable ownership?
Speaker 6 (30:50):
About how about getting good plays?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't because I don't get a plane, A division
with Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Ben Johnson's not afraid to go to Chicago, and Vision
with Kevin O'Connell, Dan Campbell and Lafleur.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
It's just weird. I don't know. I think Mike McCarthy's
pretty good coach.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
If Schottenheimer's the Cowboys coach, that's weird.
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Well, I have so much respect for what Notre Dame
did last night. They just keep fighting and fighting and fighting.
And Joel Clatt is now joining us the voice of
college football here at Fox Sports. So I know a
lot of people look at Ohio State. Now, Ohio State
has to rebuild their defense. We'll get to that in
a second. They'll be fine. I think let's talk Notre
Dame for a second, because I said last night, if
they won, I think if I was the Chicago Bears,
(00:45):
I may have restarted my search. I mean, I do
think he's got a Sean McVay quality. He's got the
he's got kind of the confidence, yeah, the decency, the
player connection. So let's just look at Notre Dame football
because I think I look at their two pretty good
next year. Yes, I think Notre Dame is not going anywhere.
They're gonna have probably the best offensive line in the
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country next year yep. And both backs back Love and Price,
so they're gonna be able to run the football. The
question is going to be quarterback and what they do,
whether they go portal or they go with young guys,
and that remains easier to solve today than twenty years ago.
But Marcus Freeman, more specifically to the way you kind
of led with that with that question, he has elevated
Notre Dame football. I want to be very clear, Brian
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Kelly did an excellent job at Notre Dame because what
Brian Kelly did was he raised their level from a
historically good program to just a really good program in
and of themselves. He was winning ten games, he was
making playoff appearances, went to a National championship game. Although
you could see the gap between that BAMA team and
Notre Dame. Now Brian Kelly moves on and Marcus Freeman
(01:50):
gets the job, Marcus Freeman has risen the level of
Notre Dame from a very good program to an elite
level program. They were in a one possession game in
the fourth quarter of an National championships. Watched those as
you get you watch their second you watch their speed. Yes,
they're there. They are elite speed now. And I will
say in the second half, you know, they played Ohio
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State about as well as anybody in the playoff. I mean,
Ohio State was running rough shot over Tennessee and Oregon
and and yeah, Texas played him well, and that was
a tough game. But that second half, Marcus Freeman had
had a level of grit and toughness that can only
be forged through a great culture, and he's building a
great culture at Notre Dame. I will say this after
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last last night, I think Marcus Freeman, if he decides
to stay there, and obviously he's going to have NFL suitors,
whether it's now or even in the subsequent years. If
Marcus Freeman stays at Notre Dame for any length of time,
I think he wins a national championship at Notre I.
I think that they really agree. I think also pressed
elite program. They don't want to go to the Big Ten,
(02:52):
which is significantly better than the ACC. So there's some
wins on that program. I mean there's some baked in
w like you're Big ten, nobody's going undefeated. I mean,
it's just too tough. Notre Dame's schedule this last year
was just not that difficult. That's what made the Northern
Illinois loss of shocking, because after they beat Texas A
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and M, it's like there's not another loss on the schedule.
And even with the I don't think that the ACC
is a great conference right now. I don't know their depth,
and so Notre Dame's in a really good position and
they will be right back in the in the thick
of things next year. I'd be shocked if they're not.
I think they're in the best position in college football
is that they don't have to play in the Big
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Ten or the SEC. They get to play in a
week conference. But because they have a national brand, they
can recruit at an elite level. I think Notre Dame
is positioned even better than Ohio State because every other
year you got to go to ann Arbor, and you're
going to have to go to Otson and you'll go
to West Seattle, and it's just so let's pivot to
Ohio State the offense next year, and the portal makes
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it much easier. Ohio State's going to find a quarterback.
They've got so many damn good receivers. Well, and I
think the quarterbacks are largely there. I just don't not
to interrupt the car right well, no, that's Notre Dame.
DJ Carr is going to be a freshman for Notre
Dame for Ohio State. Right now, you've got Julian say
I transferred from Alabama last year at this time after
Nick Saban retired, he's been in the program, and then
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he'll be in a competition with a five star recruit
who's now on campus and will be practicing this spring,
name TeV in Saint Clair. So they're likely going to
go with a young player. But here's the thing, is like,
if we want to give the benefit of the doubt
to programs like Georgia for the way that they recruit,
and rightly so, because of the rosters that they build,
even when they lose great players, you understand that the
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players behind them are also great players. You made a
point in the last segment and I will one hundred
percent agree with this. The best offensive player in college
football next year is Jeremiah Smith. The best defensive player
in college football next year is Caleb Downs. Well, that's
a heck of a start of a foundation. If you're
going to try to rebuild, they also will. They also
have a young running back. Two guys are leading to
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the pros. They have a good running back in the fold. Yes,
their O line will be better next year because they
had so many injuries this year. Yeah, the injury issue
was huge. So the guys that started against Notre Dame,
that interior will be back. So like, for instance, this
will give you an example of kind of their line
of scrimmage. Michigan against Alabama and the Rose Bowl technically
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didn't have their starters playing defensive line on fourth down.
Those were all technically reserves, right, This is Mason Graham,
Kenneth Grant, Derek Moore, Josiah Stewart. Well, they came back
and they were quote new starters this year on the
defensive line. But it's not like they're not new starters.
So something similar could be said about this Ohio State
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offensive line. These guys that just played a playoff, four
straight Top ten teams, four straight wins of double digits,
running the football, doing all of those things, those three
are going to be back. Yeah. That's gonna be a
big point I think of strength for Ohio State going
into next season.
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Speaker 1 (06:08):
Now, some will push back and saying I'm being la provocateur.
I do not see that. I have made the argument
that the keen number in college football is sixty six thousand,
because that's how many people go to Ohio State, and
that big ten students flee the Midwest for jobs on
the coast. Southern kids, the weather's good, the economy in
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the south's been growing for a long time. They graduate
SEC schools and they stay in the South, and there's
nothing wrong with that. But these big ten kids from
monster universities. Thirteen of the twenty three biggest universities in
America are big ten, sixty six thousand, fifty eight thouy seventy.
They go out with those big ten degrees. They go
to New York, in LA and DC and Boston and
(06:53):
LA and sen for just go and make big money
and they get it right back to their school. And
if the collective and the Nilan Bama came out, they're
a D. And Bama's ad said, can you guys give
fifty bucks, like we're running out of cash. Nick Saban
saw that three years ago when he complained about Texas
coming into the conference. Nick saw it three years ago.
(07:14):
Financially is a money game. Now I think I think
Penn State, those graduates are all over Philadelphia, New York.
So yes, yes, I mean listen, you are right in
a certain respect. I don't think it gives them like
some substantial margin or benefit over other programs. Programs in
(07:37):
the South can raise a lot of money. No, I'm
not saying that. But when Bama comes out and said
when Brian Kelly and now, I think that's a specific
Alabama issue. I don't think Georgia has that issue, or
Texas has that issue, or A and M or Tennessee
uns you does. Brian Kelly said, I'll give you a
million dollars of my salary. Briandy didn't have to do that. Well,
I mean listen, Ryan Day had to give up play
calling duties and go in fundraise last December in order
(08:01):
to keep his roster intact. So listen again, I don't
think you're wrong. It's the biggest largest living alumni base
in college sports, is the Big ten alumni base, and
so that is a big deal in this era where
fans can have more of an immediate impact through their
donations to NIL. Now, the reason I'm pausing is because
(08:22):
the structure of college football moving forward will change and
is changing and needs to change all of those things.
In April, we're largely going to have this settlement come
out through the House Settlement, which is going to allow
for revenue sharing. Well, that's going to put even more
programs at a higher level with funds that they have
because they can use program funds for their players. So
(08:45):
every team in the SEC and the Big Ten is
going to have roughly eighteen and a half million dollars
just to spend on players as essentially salary. Okay, so
that's going to continue to equalize out college football. Let
me just give you an example. I don't think any
conference is just going to dominate from here moving forward.
Well I don't either, but I think the Big Ten
(09:05):
moved ahead of the SEC. Well certainly because they have
the last two champions. Right, So they have the last
two champions, and you see the level of play at
the top end, and next year the Big Ten's probably
going to be even stronger than it was. I think
there's no question. So yes, the Big ten is experiencing
a really solid performance in terms of on the field
performance and strength, in particular at the top end. However,
(09:27):
when I look at college football, like I did a
way too early top ten for next year and that
episode comes out on my show on Thursday, and doing
the exercise, I was like, dang, three years ago, Colin,
I could I could immediately write four teams at the top,
and then you start scratching your head and you're like, oh,
who's I don't know who's actually good, who's not very good.
(09:49):
The exercise was here's the top four and then there's
everybody else, and there was quite a gap. It's not
like that. It's not like that anymore. You're going to
go into next season. I have an argument like, I'm
gonna put Penn State spoiler alert, number one in the country.
There's certainly top three, okay, and largely because they're going
to follow a very specific blueprint that has worked for
Michigan and Ohio State in the last two years. And
(10:11):
I can get into that you know later. But you
could talk me into them being sixth. You can I
put Clemson at seven. You could talk me into them
being eighteen. I'm telling you, from from one to eighteen
in college football next year, it's kind of like you
can talk me into or out of any one of
those teams. What do you do with Michigan? What do
(10:31):
you do with Alabama? What do you do with South
Carolina and Leonardo Sellers? What do you do with Florida?
What do you do with LSU and neuss Meyer coming back?
What do you do with Ohio State trying to replace
their defense? What do you do with Georgia trying to
replace their What do you do with Lagan? What do
you do with Oregon? Right? So, college football is in
such an amazing place right now, and I think that
(10:53):
we're just going to continue to get kind of equalized
out driving more parity moving forward. Okay, So I got
to get to the bottom of this. So Dion Sanders,
Cowboys coach, that thing disappeared. I told you that, I
told you he's not going to Dallas. Well, but with
all due respect, did I not? You did? The playmaker?
(11:18):
Mike Lurvin said he was? You said he was? And
I'm caught between two guys. I like, okay, so was it?
Did Colorado step up and pay him more. Was he
trying to get more money from the buffs. I don't
want to like step on everything because I know it's
it's not fun. Nothing is finalized. Listen. Is he signing
his extension? I don't know that he doesn't need to.
(11:39):
He could leave his contract as is. I know that
there's been extension conversations. Okay, I know Colorado has come
significantly up. I think he would like them to come
up in several areas, not just his salary, but possibly
assistant pool, facility stuff, commitment to nil outside of revenue sharing.
So there's there's there's there is talk and like any negotiation,
(12:02):
whether he was going to go to Dallas or not
go to Dallas, or stay at Colorado or not stay
at Colorado. When you're in a position like that, he's
doing and his management team is doing what he should,
which is try to generate as much leverage as possible.
Having conversations with Jerry Jones is leverage. Yeah, you know,
and I think from Jerry's perspective it might be the
same thing. But I will just continue to say, and
I'm going to be very consistent about this, he's a
(12:23):
great fit at Colorado because Colorado has given him the
keys to the castle. He has turned Colorado into prime.
They are the prime Buffaloes. They said, hey, man, are
traditions yours. Do whatever you want with our program because
we need you. And because of that, he's become a
great fit there and they've really embraced him. Can't do
that at the NFL level, just based on the structure
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of the NFL and some of the ownership hierarchy issues
that you get with management. So I think he's in
a good spot. I hope he stays, and I believe
that he will. Hey, I have Ohio state number one
next year, Texas to Penn State three, and then the
rest of the big ten a half that. Hey, listen,
that's good. All I'm saying is, you know, people, this
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is this. You can't stockpile talent anymore. No. If you
in the SEC, Alabama and Georgia used to have the
best starting unit and then their backups could probably also
beat your starting unit. You know, like they were too
deep with a team that could win a national championship,
win a conference title anywhere else. Let me throw this out.
You can't do that in my lifetime. Jeremiah Smith is
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the most NFL capable NFL ready freshman I've ever seen. Oh, okay, good,
I like this object. I'm sure it's good. I went
and looked. There's only one other for me, but continue,
Adrian Peterson. That's exactly right. Okay, So I look, I
went this morning. I get up early in the morning,
you know, me grinding, Yeah, sit up at like three
p forty. And when I was doing that, I looked
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at the Minnesota Vikings and the Cincinnati Bengals receiving cores,
and I'm like, no, he makes those two. He makes.
He's nineteen. He makes every NFL roster, and outside of
Minnesota and Cincinnati, I'd argue he starts for everybody. He's
got to play two more years of college football, which
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means in four years, Jeremiah Smith is the best receiver
in football. He's the number one on any team in
the NFL. I believe he has a chance to be
an all time great. He's got a chance to be
one of the greatest wide receivers that we've ever seen.
His combination of size, speed, his no body fat, no
body fat body control ability to catch the ball, his
route running ability, which you saw him display last night.
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Like he's the best freshman I've ever seen and so
quick story. Okay, So in two thousand and four, I
was still playing and we Colorado. I'm the quarterback of
Colorado and we go to play against Oklahoma a lifetime ago.
I'm about to be forty three, so I'm a man
That sounded like Mike Gundy almost went Mike Gundhy there,
(15:01):
But okay. So we go to play the Big Twelve
Championship game against Oklahoma. They're number one in the BCS
at the time. This is Jason White's Heisman year, I believe,
or he was coming off of that. I remember that
they had just an excellent team. Excellent team. Orlando Brown
is their tackle, yeah, and a freshman running back named
Adrian Peterson. We played at Arrowhead Stadium. It's December third,
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whatever it is, and I went out for you know,
pregame warm ups, and I look over and like they're
an impressive team. They're number one in the country. Dan
Cody is over there like they've gotten dudes right, and
Adrian Peterson I was like, oh my gosh, he's like
he's gonna kill us. What are we gonna do? I
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remember specifically in that game, we had a smaller corner.
He was probably about I don't know, five nine, one
hundred and eighty five pounds fast quick, you know all
this thing. He's a corner and Adrian Peterson gets this
gallop going you don't remember the angry gallop that and
he starts running and he kind of bounces this ball
outside in our corner. Jarrett Burrell was his name, goes
(16:02):
up to make the hit, and I was like cringing
before it happened. I was like, no, don't do it, Jared,
like this is gonna be so bad. And he looked
like the cartoon chicken. What gets hitting? The feathers go everywhere,
and I'm just like, Adrian Peterson was incredible. And so
that was the best football player I'd ever seen as
a true freshman in my life. And then I walked
out in spring football last year and I went to
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see an Ohio State practice and I said, oh my gosh,
that kid is incredible. And every one of those players,
including a Mecca Abuka, looked at me and I said,
how good is he? And he says he's the best
we've had. That's Ohio State saying that players at Ohio
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State saying that who had just seen Marvin Harrison Junior
helped me, Garrett Wilson, Chris o'lave, Jackson Smith, and Jigba
Jamison Williams who had to transfer in order to be
an All American all first round wide receivers, and every
one of them, they're just like, Oh, yeah, he's he's
he's the best. He is the best wide receiver I've
(17:08):
ever seen at his age period. He would be a
top three pick in the draft. Now, No, I had
a GM. Tell me a week ago if Caleb Downs
and Jeremiah Smith were available. This is a week draft.
He's like, I'm not so sure they're not one and two.
He goes, He goes, the value of Travis Hunter is
going to be interesting. Talented? Is Caleb Downs? I really don't. Yeah,
(17:30):
but you have to understand like that whole receiver corner. Yeah, exactly, nonsense.
Oh I'm sorry, sorry. I just impact greatly the game
on both sides of the football. That's none. S. Pick
a lane, Pick a lane. I'm just gonna get back
to the fact that I think Smith could be an
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all time great, all time great wide receiver. I truly
believe he will be a ten time All Pro whenever,
and and I know, like I don't want to put
the cart before the horse. Don't want to get too
much pressure on this guy. Okay, so we agree with
Jeremiah Smith and Adrian Peterson give me the just and threes.
So we both agreed that I would have agreed Adrian
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Peterson and and Jeremih Smith looked different. Has there been
another player in cause I in football? Yeah? Oh man,
did you? I mean there were? There have been true
freshmen that have been great players, but not that looked
like that that they like. Murice Colerett was a great
true freshman player, right, he was terrific, led them to
(18:33):
a national championship, But he didn't look like he could
go dominate the NFL that year. He was just a
great college player that year. You know you understand the difference.
I'll tell you guy, I'm Peterson and Smith look like
they could go dominate the NFL now, like put him
in the Super Bowl. I will say this. Kirby Smart
has told people Brock Bowers is the most talented player
(18:53):
he's ever had. Let me say something. He was a
Napa high school Wine Country, so I saw how tough
can you be from white that's what I thought. So
I looked at his high school video and I'm like,
terrible league. And then I watched him as a freshman
at Georgia and I'm like he was good. I'm like,
he's eighteen. The Raiders split him out wide and he's
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beating corners up the field. Yeah, and yet still he like,
as a true freshman, Smith is the best player on
the field. I know, periods. It's wild. It blows my mind,
it really does. I think Peterson's young. The only other
eighteen year old that I've ever seen that assumed be like, oh,
you can dominate the professional ranks right now. It was
Lebron James. That's the category that those guys kind of
(19:37):
fall into. That's pretty good, all right. I don't mean
to rub it into the sec. I mean that's not
who I was. So revisionist. I have sat on this
couch for many years. No, and I'm just going to
tell you American people, I have heard this whole idea
that like, oh, the northern schools, it's snows, it's cold,
(19:59):
No one's ever going to go there again. It's over.
Northern schools are never gonna win again in their lifetime.
You said, that about Notre Dame, you said that about Michigan,
you said that against Ohio State. Everything's changed now, very
immature back then, You've grown up, grown up a lot.
All right, buddy, It's great to see you as well. Heard.
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You've got a great, good story. The final one is
absolutely bonkers. But we'll start with.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Lamar Jackson came up just short of his first Super
Bowl appearance yet again. The two time MVP is now
in five in the playoffs in his career.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Fullback Patrick Ricard believes that it's just a matter of
time until Lamar wins it all.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
It's inevitable he's gonna win a Super Bowl, and I
want to be a part of it, and it just sucks.
Hasn't happened yet, you know, But you know, I feel
I personally feel bad for him because she deserves it,
just because of how great of the player he is,
Like he deserves to be considered one of the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
He already is.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
But I know everyone considers championships as the standard, and
you know he'll he'll get it one day.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He'll get there.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Jase Cardon will get there. I'm sorry, Lamar Jackson will get.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You think he's James Harden.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Dominant regular season player and the postseason is one.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
One is really the soul of a team. Harden was hardened.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
The Houston Rockets when they went.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Toe to toe with Curry and Durant. Couldn't get along
with anybody. Chris Paul West, Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
That's fair. Personality.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Lamar gets along with everybody.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
We got some numbers here, Lamar highest winning percentage by
a quarterback without a Super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Josh Allen is too. I don't even know it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Just Nelson, I don't see a railing on. Pat Hayden.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Was hen announcer, or was an announcer.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It was us ad. He was a good player.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Yeah, Lamar has double the winds he does.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
But nevertheless, you know Mark Sanchez has four playoff wins, right,
Lamar has three? Yeah, I put that out there.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Next up, college Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
He was a front runner for the Bear's job and
are disappearing. What's happening?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Very interesting now. McCarthy says he didn't get the Bears
and went to Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
It's like, oh, the.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Saints are interested. Is that a good job for McCarthy?
You know, the weather in New Orleans and who currently
is really bad. There's snow Houston and showing that that
region is getting buried right now. So we don't even
know if McCarthy will be able to interview live. There
is this even a good landing spot? And I gotta ask, well,
what about the Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I don't think it's a good spot. Trevor Lawrence Trent
Balkey situation is a stay away situation. He and herror
he ran Harbord to San Francisco. There's no way he'd
Balkey deserves credit. He's being able to align himself with owners.
Oh okay, but it's it's he's done a good job.
He's political or whatever. It is. He's done a great
(24:25):
job with that. But I'm staying away from that game.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Do you think the Saints job is good?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Remember Derek Carr, I get the Benson family, I get
Mickey Loomis operations. I think their scouting department's been pretty
good through the years. I think New Orleans and that
division is always winnable. I mean, who's I mean you start,
who's the.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Quarterback next year?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Is a car because car said he's not doing a restructure,
he's not giving a dive back.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
All right, Well I have to move off Derek Carr. Okay,
but I'll take the ownership and the stability of the Saints.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Why multi year rebuilt in New Orleans?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Nic was mild at you on a quarterback? You're fine
if if I win the lottery.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
I'm aware of.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
The Saints drafting right now.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Not not high enough.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I mean, maybe they go for Will Howard in the
second round, or maybe Bill Howard's not going in the
second round.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Where Kyle McCord from Syracuse is going on, there's.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Your answer, Kyle McCord. Everybody he's gonna side.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I wouldn't get too snarky. Saints are drafting ninth Shador
Sanders probably gonna go fifth or sixth.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Okay, cam Woord going one. It'll be Milroe or Kyle
what's his face? What's his name?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Kyle? What's his fast?
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I just Kyle McCord. Put some respect on that name.
He's gonna go second round, Syracuse quarterback and somebody's gonna
get real lucky with Kyle McCord.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Okay, let's move on to the final star column. This
is just emerging here.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Lamello Ball is apparently a trade target of the Lakers.
Now this has come out on Bleacher Report. I tried
to dig in.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
During the commercial to the credibility of the reporter because
this sounds crazy. Okay, the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Obviously need another star to try to prepare for the
future without Lebron, and they're talking about LaMelo Ball from
the Hornets.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
LaMelo Ball is an All Star caliber player.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
He's very good when he's available.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
And they're talking about getting from the Lakers Dalton connect, Rui,
Hachi Mora, Jared Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent and first round picks
for LaMelo Ball.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Why on earth would the Hornets do that?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Like, no, I would take that if I was the
Lakers in one minute.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Of course you would, But there's no way they're giving
a LaMelo Ball a franchise.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Those expiring contracts.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Not Dalton Connect. He's on the rookie deal. I'm gonna
have to look into.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I would take Dalton Connect as a shooter. But is
Ruey and Vanderbilt? Are they expiring? That's the attraction?
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, Well, and the multiple first round picks is nice,
But if the Lakers have lebron A d and LaMelo
and Austin Reeves, you're not drafting that high.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I think this is nonsense.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
But what's interesting is is this floated by the Lamello
camp because maybe he's sick of the losing and he's
a he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Want to live in Carolina, and he probably wants to
live in La.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
His brother's now a big, burgeoning rap star.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Apparently he's a good player.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
LaMelo balls very very good.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
It's very good body at.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Top twenty player in the league. Yeah, he's bank at
the box office. People love him, the kid love him.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
No, he's a good player. The idea that Dalton, by
the way, your brand is dead. If you're playing for
them Lakers, you have a brand. I think a lot
with with LeVar LaMelo, Lonzo Ball, the Lakers will elevate
your brand. By the way, we say this all the time.
Athletes love la you know Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George, Matt Stafford,
(27:43):
you know Mookie Betts. Athletes love California. Yes, you pay taxes,
but you're you are center, front and center. It's the
entertainment capital. Dodgers lineup looks like an All Star Yeah. Yeah,
that LaMelo's things interesting. I would trade eight guys for him.
You gotta clean that Laker roster out anyway.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
I mean this, I loved all to connect.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I like, really, this is a poop poo platter from
the news shot in his avenue.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Jmack with the News.
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Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I was just singing to this. So Mike McCarthy, I'm
gonna throw this out there. This is very succession sounding.
So Mike McCarthy spurns the cowboys. Hown't come. Mike McCarthy's
name isn't out there anymore and he's not getting the jobs.
Did Jerry make a few calls? Oh, I'm just throwing
it out there, like Mike McCarthy this is an owner's league.
(28:41):
Mike McCarthy is like the top candidate for like two jobs,
and now it's gonna go to Pete Carroll, Ben Johnson,
Aaron Glent, McCarthy's not up for any of the jobs. Suddenly,
not weird. I'm not insinuating anything, just taking it out
for you, Bud.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Just be careful.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
No, I'm just saying people make calls. It's weird. He
was like the he was the one or two candidate
for four You know who screwed.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
It up with Jayden Daniels. Jade Daniels beating Detroit messed
up everything for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Why well, Ben Johnson became available, and the bearer said,
will take you, thank you very much. We got a quarterback,
we got you know, in the division, you're gonna have
a chance.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So you think Jade and Daniels beating Detroit and those
two guys fly.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Yeah, Aaron glenn is talking about the Jets.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
We have McCarthy like a hot Canada a week ago.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Yeah, I guess that's a tough spot for McCarthy. I
would take Jacksonville over New Orleans and a heartbeat. I
know you don't like Balky and nobody really.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Want why it's the owner. I'm just saying that the
stories I read lead me to believe that you it gets.
The Niners situation with Balky and Harbaugh was ugly.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
It was also like ten years ago, we want to
give guys second chances, third chances.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Mike McCarthy just disappeared under the ethos.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
It is kind of weird what happened to him.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So Diana Russini says, the Saints or the own landing
spot for McCarthy. He was the number two candidate. He
was the number one once Rabel went to the Patriots.
Mike was the number one candidate with Ben Johnson and
like all the jobs now he's not even mentioned.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Hey, how come you're not wearing your tinfoil hat right
now during this.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's not a tinfoil hat. I'm just suggesting to you. Now, maybe,
and I don't think this is bad, maybe he pulled
himself out.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
That's possible.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Mike could have said this stuff's a bit of a mess.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Chicago's too cold, I want to go down to New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
New Orleans isn't a great job right now, but it's
not terrible. I mean, you do get stability upstairs. So
these are the current jobs open. The Raiders job, I
think the Jets job because the roster. I think the
Jets roster is good.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Better job. Raiders are Saints.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Saints why because I get stable ownership?
Speaker 6 (30:50):
About how about getting good plays?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't because I don't get a plane, A division
with Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Ben Johnson's not afraid to go to Chicago, and Vision
with Kevin O'Connell, Dan Campbell and Lafleur.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
It's just weird. I don't know. I think Mike McCarthy's
pretty good coach.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
If Schottenheimer's the Cowboys coach, that's weird.
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