January 22, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin is tired of everyone continuing to blame the refs for the Chiefs win over the Texans and breaks down why the refs didn't impact the outcome. He talks to 7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady about Commanders quarterback Jayden Daniels and what makes him so special as a rookie leading his team to the NFC Championship Game. Colin also reacts to breaking news in the NFL with the Jets hiring Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn to be their next head coach
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, here we go. It is a Thursday. It
is live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Tom Brady
stops by in thirty minutes. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. So, Jaback, I was thinking about this.
I do not watch games with fans now infrequently. You
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and I'll go, or I'll go to my place in
Manhattan Beach and I'll watch a game that doesn't really matter.
What I would call a fun game. I haven't bet it.
It may not be on the show, it's a Friday
Saturday game. But generally I don't like to watch professional
sports with other people that aren't in my business because
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they always blame the refs. Even my reasonable smart friends,
they always blame the refs. Oh boy, here we go.
So the Kansas City Chiefs are twenty two and two
in their last twenty four and even jamac, a hardened journalist,
believes it's luck, it's rigged. It's the officials. And so
what has always been remarkable to me? And I'm not
a snob on this stuff. I just get worn down
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by fans and friends. It's always the refs. So Kansas
City now is the target of all this stuff. And
you'll hear from Patrick Mahomes in about three minutes. But
I'll give you an example. Fans will be tough on
the officials. They want perfection, but yet they let their
coach and their players off the hook all the time.
So let's go to Sunday's game. So let's just go
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to this Houston game where everybody thought it was the refs.
It is for than ten at this moment, it's the
biggest possession of the game for the Houston Texans. They
are scrambling to get the play in and here's the call.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, this is too big of a play. I think
they need to call time out, but they snapped it.
Glitz again.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Stroud in trouble Carloftus is there. Kansas City, bar complete Mayheim.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You think you're gonna beat Andy Reid in a bye
and you can't get that buttoned up. But Tamiko Ryans
after said these officials, that was us against the world. Now,
Kansas City didn't score on that. Now, let's go back
to the first quarter. We'll reverse it. Let's go back
to the first quarter. Remember, the NFL has instructed its
officials call roughing on plays like this, and at first glance,
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it looked like roughing. It's not challengeable. So there's that
play and everybody think that is not right. Well, on
that play, it did give them a first down, I'll
admit that. But on the very next play, Travis Kelcey,
the best time end in football for six seven years
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is for one of four times on the day left
wide open. You may want to cover him. I mean,
Kansas City doesn't have a lethal receiving corps. They don't
throw to their backs that much. That's the one guy
you have to cover. You didn't. He was seventy percent
of the offense. Xavier Worthy's more of a gadget guy.
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Rashi Rice is out. It's musical chairs at wide receiver.
Noah Gray's not beating anybody down the field. You had
one guy to cover if you left them open all game.
Let's go back even further to the opening kickoff. You
basically gave the Chiefs a three to nothing lead at
Arrowhead off a buye, and to make it worse than
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giving up a sixty three yard kick, you had an
unsportsman like penalty and a player shoving a coach. So
you go on the road, you shove a coach, a
disastrous special teams performance, You miss two field goals, that's
six points. You miss a pat that's one point. You
give up a field goal in the opening kick because
of that nonsense, that's ten points. You lost by nine.
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And you also on several occasions did not cover the
only really Hall of Fame level weapon Kansas City has
Old Rickety Travis Kelcey. And you're blaming the refs on
a go either way call with Will Anderson and Patrick Mahomes,
which I said yesterday on first glance, I was like, Oh,
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that's that. That that and the referees it's not challengeable.
They don't get slow mo, they don't get a replay,
they got a call. What they see so again you
demand that the officials are perfect when they're instructed to
make certain calls and they're not challengeable calls. But you
gave up on special teams. You gave up ten points
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and you lost by nine, and that gets lost over.
Patrick Mahomes was talking about what it's like to be
the chiefs now in this constant talk about officials and
working the system.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And obviously I've been on both sides of it as
far as how I felt the calls were made. But
at the end of the day, man, those guys are
doing doing their best to make the best calls and
keep it to where the players and making the plays
in the game. And that's what besides the outcome. And
obviously there was a call here or there that people
didn't agree with, but at the same time, I think
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there was a lot of other plays that really decided
to out come of that football game.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, there were. I've said this to NBA fans because
for years and years NBA fans were relentless, mostly because
the Lakers attracted better players. They had Shack and Kobe.
That's the way it works. And I always said this
whenever you want to complain as an NBA fan, ask
yourself two questions. How many free throws did you miss?
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How many free throws did your team miss? Oh nine?
You can't hit free throws as a professional basketball player.
And how many turnovers do you have? And if the
combination is like sixteen to eighteen mistakes, the refs get
one occasionally two. All right, So I do not believe
in curses, UFOs, ghosts. Yeah, I don't believe any of
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that stuff. Sorry, but I said this this morning to
the staff. If Ben Johnson and the Bears don't work,
I'm pouring my entire net worth into bitcoin. I think
it's going to work. Now, there are so many things.
This is not the Jets, this is not Carolina. This
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should work. And here's the new guy they hired. It's
Ben Johnson. Full of energy, full of spirit. He talked yesterday.
Here it is all right, Bears Nation.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You're ready to go beyond fired up to be here.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
This is exciting times. Cannot wait to get to work.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Bear down, baby, Okay, sharp offensive coach known for maximizing
offensive personnel, and the Bears have weapons. Just left a
great culture so he can cherry pick some stuff. He
had proximity to a great culture and a rebuild, right, Like,
he wasn't in a dynasty, he was in a bad
franchise that built up from the ground floor. So this
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is literally he's taking the job and he just worked
through a four and five year cycle of what he
wants to do. He can steal stuff from there. The
Bears have good assets. They have sixty six million dollars
in cap space, that's top five. They have a dynamic
rookie quarterback who has four years he's basically free. And oh,
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by the way, you have three picks in the top
forty one because you have an extra second. You have
interesting weapons. This is not the Panther's job. This is
not the Patriots job with Jerrod Mayo. That's not what
this is. So I don't know if Ben Johnson can
turn it around. I don't know if he's Bobby Flay
or Sean McVay. But he's got a full pantry in
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a great kitchen. And if you go look, what really
is true is that if you just look at the
two teams that were in worse shape than Chicago Washington
this year, I mean, Washington's roster coming into the season
is significantly lower PFF than Chicago's that Ben Johnson will
get and he's got He's got six seven draft picks
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to add and free agents. And Houston was a laughing
stop ownership down. And they both gave you blueprints. For instance,
Washington fixed the offensive line. Then they brought in like smart,
savvy veterans Bobby Wagner, Zach Ertz, Marcus Mariota. So you
don't even have to if you're Ben Johnson, you don't
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even have to be original. You can just steal what
Washington did. You have a mobile quarterback, Your O line
needs upgrading, Go add sprinkle in a couple savvy veterans, stir,
put it in the oven, let it bake, and it
should work. So now now, in the first moves, he
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hired Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. I like Dennis
Allen as a DC, not a head coach. He's gonna
bring reportedly as the offensive coordinator, the guy Hank Fraley
that built that offensive line. I like that move. So
there's a there's like eight reasons this should work. You
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don't even have to be original, just copy Washington, and
I feel like I won't be watching a football team,
I'll be watching an exorcis. Can they exercise their quarterback
and offensive demons? Because when you look at this, this
is a way better situation than Washington had, in a
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way better situation than Houston had. We hated Houston's roster
two years ago, and Ben Johnson doesn't even get a rookie.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Stride was a rookie for Demico Ryans. I mean, Caleb's
already been in the league. So take a deep breath.
But people ask me, you think it'll work, and I'm like, yeah,
I think it will work. I think it will work.
But this is not Remember most people thought if you
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would have had a younger, more current, richer owner, most
people thought this was viewed as the best job available,
despite their politics and potholes. So I'm looking at Dennis Allen,
I'm looking at this, I'm looking at cap Space. I'm
looking at you can use Washington with a mobile quarterback
in all new people as an example. They're gonna bring
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the Lion's O line coach to be the OC. Like
this should work. I'm very excited it should work. Here
was is it? Ben Johnson introducing himself to Chicago. We
already showed that video, right, we already showed that one. Okay,
so j Max, you're looking at me kind of smiling.
I'm not trying to be overly optimistic, but I also
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don't want to be cynical because it does stack up.
There's a lot of stuff here. I mean, the big
knock is we don't know if it's the right GM.
We also don't know if it's the wrong one.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I don't know much about Ben Johnson.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
I'd really never heard him say much outside of that video,
so I wonder it was a little rigid. And I'm
not being too critical here, but you know how when
you like meet a girl and you think there's some
major potential, it's just like you want to go salsa
dancing and you're like, of course not, oh sure, yeah,
let's go salsa dancing. Yeah, That, to me is what
Ben Johnson felt like there, where he's like, all right,
bear down, let's go. Well, he looks like a quiet
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reserve kind of cotton docors on the weekend kind of guy. Okay,
who's buttoned up.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
And I don't know if that looked like the real
Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Okay, let me just say this. I do to your point,
he is not McVeigh, right, but I will tell you
I think he could be Matt Lafleur. So when Matt
Lafleur got the job in Green Bay, I made two
calls to Tennessee. I said, what are they getting and
they said, well, he hasn't shown that he can walk
in and be a leader of men. He can be
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kind of quiet, kind of cerebral. The knock on him is, oh,
he's going to Green Bay and it's Aaron Rodgers. Is
he going to get overpowered? So he was not. By
the way, Shanahan's not a big personality there. He's not.
Zach Taylor's not. He's been to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Mike McDaniel's definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Mike McDaniels is not. He's quirky. Matt Lafleur isn't. You
look at McVeigh and you're like, well, Sean is the
whole package. Okay. That is like comparing quarterbacks to mahomes.
If you can be ninety three percent of mahomes, you're
a seven time Pro bowler. Like if Jaden Daniels you
said today is ninety percent of mahomes, that means he'll
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win a Super Bowl or two. Because Patrick may win
six and he's going to be a thirteen time pro
bowler and Patrick will be eighteen times. So my take is,
don't look at McVeigh. I would look at Matt Lafleur,
who was a bit reticent, not a huge personality kind of.
I think what I hear about Ben very cerebral, very bright.
Now now we don't want him to beat Adam Gaze,
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who really was tipped on the a little obscure, a
little out there. But I think my take is best
case scenario, and what I've heard over the last three days,
there's some Matt Lafleur here.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
That means big win. Colin breaking news.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
The Buffalo Bills were just flagged fifteen yards for hitting
Patrick Mahomes and the game till five days away.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Just wanted to put that on your radar, an early
flag on the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
See, I'm not going to watch games with you anymore.
This is what it is. You. You were the last
guy I watched games.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I sit on my couch all weekend and just write
down notes for games because you've done this before, like
the Kansas City's gotten into Laker territory, like Kobe and Shack.
So I used to say this all. We got Tom
Brady here pretty quick. But I used to say this
all the time about Shaq. If you went to a
Laker game and watched, how often Shaq was fouled and
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it wasn't called. But if you watched on TV you
thought Shaq was fouling everybody. You had to go to
a Laker game, sit there and watch Shaq get mugged
for two and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
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Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah. I'm eternally grateful that I got a broadcast for
a living and watch sports and take notes and have fun.
But it's also been great that I get Tom Brady
on a regular basis. He is joining us all.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I gotta start with this because everything I read on
and the internet Tom is true, and it breaks my
heart that we only got to work a year together.
You're already leaving, so it's really hard for me. I
swear to God, the interweb has you. I don't know
where you're going, but you're leaving. Would you address that please?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It's hard for me too. I thought it was a
great run, you know, one solid year, so you know
there's time for new things, and I figured, you know,
this has been totally master to this point. Yeah, I
don't know where it comes from. I know it always
says sources close to Brady or whatever. But I've had
the best time at Fox, and I've loved every time
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going into the booth and working with such great people,
starting with my partner Kevin, everyone in our crew, Ze Russ, Aaron,
Tom who you know everyone would probably know a little
bit about, but behind the scenes, there's so many incredible
people that bring the NFL to life and to see
kind of how it is from a different perspective, you know,
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I've had so many years, twenty three years playing on
the field, I've watched so many games from from you know,
the sideline, sideline view, and now I'm sitting up there
in the booth and seeing it from a different perspective.
And I've I've I've loved kind of just the whole
process and diving into all these different teams. It's been
a lot of growth for me in one year, and
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I really can't see can't wait to see what it
looks like in year or two, and and way beyond
that too. So I got nine years left on my
deal and maybe longer. You never know. If Fox wants me,
then I want to go. We'll just keep going because
it's been it's been really fun thus far.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think sources close to Brady or your kids, and
my guess is they're not leaking stuff to the internet.
So okay, So all right, let's get into the raider stuff.
So they need a coach again, there's a lot of
talk about who the coach. They need a general manager.
So you're a rookie broadcaster, you're now a rookie part
of an ownership group. Kind of give me what does
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this entail.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
That's a great point, you know, being rookie too. You
got to almost go back to what your roots are
as a rookie and remember that when you are a
rookie year trying to learn as much as you can.
And when I was a rookie as a quarterback, I
really just kind of engulf myself in the playbook and
listen to a lot of the veterans, and this is
how you're going to go about it, Tom, this is
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how you're going to be the best possible player you
can be. And then you realize that many years later,
ten years later, I started to actually perform the way
that I thought I was capable of performing. So I
wish I could have played football my entire life, but
that kind of, you know, twenty three years was long enough.
I got tired of really taking the hits and I
wanted to spend, you know, as much time as I
could with the kids. So really being involved with the
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Raiders gives me an opportunity to be involved with football
for the rest of my life. And I really love teamwork.
I always have. I love seeing other people succeed. I
really hope other players get former players get opportunities to
be involved with teams. And right now I've got there's
a great own group, there's other great people involved on
one voice. It's so collaborative. But I think this process
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of learning is so important. So that's kind of where
it's at.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So I want to ask you about Ben Johnson. So
this is interesting to me. So everybody says, and I
think I fall into this, Hey he got an offensive coach,
and you think immediately that's great, but you didn't. And
in fact, Belichick let you and Josh kind of go
behind the curtain and he let you do your thing,
which I love that that's cool, Like, hey, you're into it, Josh.
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If you get an offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Here's what I think when you look at these go ahead,
sorry Carl a second delay. But I think that it's
there's such a jigsaw puzzle when you look at a
lot of different organizations, and whether football organizations or basketball baseball,
I think it's a collective group of people and you've
got to figure out that puzzle of what exactly fit.
If you do have a defensive head coach, you know,
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like Bill Was. Bill was a great manager, and Bill
did a great job coach in the coaches and he
had high expectations. I think he had backgrounded offense, so
he didn't necessarily probably throw all his ideas out there,
but he did have a general understanding of how we
should perform on offense and he had expectations for that.
Bill was, I thought, one of the greatest special teams
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coaches ever in the history of the NFL, and obviously
the greatest defensive coordinator probably in the history of the NFL.
So I think when you look at all the different
roles that he played in the organization that I was
successful in. He did more than just coach. He was
a great kind of added beneficiary or added great benefit
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to the defensive staff. He was a great listening and
is about to listen to what we're doing offensively, could
provide insight to that. There was a lot of things
he added to our clubs. So this whole puzzle with
the offense coach defensive coach, I just it should be
about great people doing great things, working collaboratively, being humble,
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learning every year. In the same way that you said
earlier to me, you're always trying to up your game
every year. I feel like that's what I always try
to do as a player, and I don't see that's
any different in football or in business. Everybody should always
be looking to improve and understanding where their weaknesses are,
how to improve their weaknesses, and then continue to build
on their strengths.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You watched a lot of Caleb Williams. If there was
one thing that you want him to improve on that
Ben Johnson can zero in on and you got a
lot of snaps. Is there one thing you'd say, hey, Caleb,
this is the one thing I want you to work on.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
I think it's always you know, well, I would say
this for any player, and Caleb in particularly as a
young player, there's a lot of room for growth. Obviously,
it's really up to him to decide where he wants
to spend his time and energy to become the player
that he wants to be. And I believe that there's
three parts that make up great players, the physical, the mental,
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the emotional. We all have deficiencies. None of of are
fur pick players. Maybe the only perfect players I played
against was Ed Reid, ray Lewis, Jason Taylor. Those guys
were perfect in my opinion, but they had so many
things figured out. I, let's say, at one point, was
physically probably not where I wanted to be. Mentally emotional,
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I was always very good. I had a great understanding
of the tactics. I could bring a competitive desire to
practice every single day to get the most out of
my teammates. Where I needed to prove is physically. How
do I become a better pocket passer? How do I
improve the footwork in my pocket? How can I become
more durable? How can I be a little bit more
stronger in the pocket. When those things caught up to
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what I was doing mentally and emotionally, I became the
type of player that I wanted to be. Some guys
are really blessed physically, so they don't have to work
on necessarily the mental, emotional as much. So I think
you always have to have an understanding if you want
to reach your true potential, it's about maximizing all three
of them. Those things. I went and spoke to the
Notre Dame football team before they were in the Orange season,
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before they won the Orange Bowl. I talked about those
exact same things. I talk to any player who comes
up and talks to me, whether it's other quarterbacks on
other teams, whether it's college teams. You know they're always
seeking my advice, and I tell them the same thing.
You have to have a self awareness about who you are,
where you want to go, and then work hard at
the things where you're deficient and while still understanding what
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your strengths are and bill on those. But this is
this is a full time job to be an NFL player.
This is I woke up in the morning brushing my
teeth in the morning thinking about my throwing mechanics. If
I just get my left shoulder looking in the mirror
of you's That's how I thought about it, and I
think that's why I was able to have such a
productive career over a long period of time.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Jaden Daniels is obviously gifted. He moves well, he's accurate
when you watch him from upstairs. What is the one
thing that surprises you about Jaden Daniels as a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
I think when you deal with most rookie quarterbacks, and
I think what I saw in this Detroit game is
when they most defensive coaches. Now, it's just like, let's
put pressure on him, Let's get to the middle of
the pocket. Let's send blitzers. He won't see him, he
won't have a full understanding of protections or where his
great one on one matchups are. Jaden looks and I
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know this for a fact. He is a tremendous work ethic.
Everybody speaks about his ability to work hard. He's in
the playbook after he gets drafted. In the offseason, he's
trying to understand what the coaches are going to ask him,
and then you see how it's reflected in his rookie season,
one of the great rookie seasons any quarterbacks ever had.
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And he's got a great connection with his players. He
has the physical tools, and he's a very humble kid.
How that reflects, and when I watch him play, he
has tremendous poison in the pocket. He's calm under the
chaos of being an NFL quarterback. They're blitzing him the
other night the Lions, where he's standing in the pocket
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waiting the very last second a lot like you know
Patrick does in so many ways, and then delivers the
ball accurately to his receivers instride and they make big plays.
So that's I think a little bit about what's in
store for him as he continues to develop in his future,
his poise, confidence in himself. Some players need production to
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become confident. Some people become confident before they have any production.
That's a great trait to have as an athlete. Before
you walk on the field, you're confident. You don't need
to complete your first five passes to become confident. And
I think that's what I see in a young Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Take out Gronk and the Patriots weren't known as personality.
Plus Belichick muted some of that, or or players self
muted that, knowing Bill didn't like it. And then there's
the Philadelphia Eagles. It's ego and now now Barkley. Saquan
is very patriot like Jalen Hurts a little bit, but
it's a big personality. The coach is barking at fans,
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how does it work in Philadelphia because it's the opposite
of your dynasty.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Sure, I think they do things very uniquely. But Howie
Roseman's done an incredible job assembling that team. I think
he's a guy that lives in breathe football every single day.
When you think about being tough, you think about the
offensive line and running the football, and the defensive line
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and their ability to stop the run. And you're right,
they do have some personalities. But when I look at
Jordan my Alatta, when I look at Lane Johnson and
Dickerson and Jurgiens and Makai Beckton coming in there, the
strength of that team is their offensive line and Saquon
and they're just tremendous. That dominating force they have up
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front is absolutely incredible, and the defensive line has drawn
a tremendous job, and Williams has done a great job.
Jalen Carter's had a great second season, Sweat's done a
great job. They lost Brandon, Graham and Huff to injury,
and they're still producing at a very high level. So
I think that physical toughness permeates the whole team. And
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then you're right. I think naturally at the skill positions
there always is a little more personality. And I reference
this in one of the games. The receivers certainly, and
this has been even when I was a rookie with
Terry Glenn. You know, God rest his soul, but he
had a, you know, his own way of trying to
get included. And if they're not getting passes all the time,
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whether that was Randy, who I love more than anyone
in this world, they just they want to feel included
in what they're doing. If they're not getting balls and
impact in the game, they want to let you know
about it. And that's just part of it that comes
with the territory. AJ does a little bit of that.
DeVante Smith is obviously a great teammate and a very
unselfish player. But naturally, some of those I would say,
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cornerback positions, receiver positions, they have their own way of
looking at things and you just deal with it.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Probably finally here because we have about three minutes left, Mahomes.
Mahomes getting a lot of heat. I've been defending the Patriots,
I said a couple of years ago when they when
they moved off Tyreek Hill, they became the Patriots. They
wouldn't be the firework shows. Like you guys losing Moss,
You're not gonna score fifty. You're gonna have to be
more efficient. You have to be smarter, you have to
be even better situationally, Randy Moss or Tyreek Hill give
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you those free touchdowns over the top and those two
play drives those are over I think they manipulate. I
think they leverage. I think they're smart. I don't think
you know, all this rig stuff's nonsense. But but I
will say Mahomes and that out of bound stuff where
he stops, I don't love that. I think it's I
don't love that. What do you make of the late
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hits and the controversy that the league is protecting Mahomes,
What do you make of all of it?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Well, there's an aspect that I don't like about the
some of these defensive rules. I think I've been pretty outspoken,
not just on broadcasts but just in general over the
last bunch of years and before a quarterbacks out of bounds,
you know you hit them. And it's the reality for
me is offensive players need to protect themselves and if
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they're running full speed and the defenders are coming up,
the defenders the intent is to create The only way
to turn the ball over is to create force. Right,
you're not going to blow on the football and gonna,
you know, knock its way out of a running back's
hands or a quarterback says you got to go in
there with force and knock it out. You're trying to
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create turnovers, you're trying to disrupt the pass, you're trying
to dislodge the ball. The only way to do that
is with force, and there needs to be an aggressiveness
to doing that. When quarterbacks become running backs and they're
out of the pocket, they should lose their protection. And
we are in essence, we're trying to say we're trying
to protect the quarterbacks, but coaches are calling more quarterback
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runs than ever in the history of the game. So
who's protecting the quarterback? You're trying to say the referee
should do it. I believe if you're an offensive player
and you can't protect yourself or you're a defensive player,
and you can't protect yourself. If you're a d lineman
and you're engaged in a block, no one can come
and clip you, which is that's a chop block. That's
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well known. Everyone agrees with that. If you're defending your
own block, you know they can. They got to get
you on the ground somehow. If you're running with the ball,
you should protect yourself. If you don't want to get hit,
you can go down, you can run out of bounds,
but you can't, in essence, have the defensive player come
in at half speed and then you run over the
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defensive player because he's afraid of getting a penalty. And
I think it's just a disservice to the game. It's
something that I would hope that people would really address
and say, not that anyone's trying to take advantage of
the rules, but they've just gone to a point where
it does impact the quality of the game. I was
on my social media and I was watching Ronnie Lott
and who's the greatest safety Ronnie Lott?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Why?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Because he brought a force to the game that if
you were catching the ball over the middle, he was
going to force incomplete passes and if the quarterbacks made
bad reads, you know, that's who That's how the game
got taught. Now there's no repercussions for quarterbacks making poor reads,
making poor decisions out of the pocket. So I think, overall,
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in my opinion, that needs to be seriously looked at.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
All right, And like the professional broadcaster he is, he
hands it to me for about twelve seconds left before
we go to break. Tom Brady, nice to know you're
going to be back at Fox. You know, you gotta
be careful about the interweb, folks. Not everything, believe it
or not, is true. And his sources, I swear to you,
are as kids, and that's who's everybody's sources should be.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
My friend.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Good seeing to Tom Bi Colin.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
We'll talk to you soon, man, have a great week,
all right.
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Speaker 1 (32:03):
So earlier, Danny Parkins pushback on Jaden Daniels maybe being
the top five quarterback in the NFL. But I do
think we have four that are established, you know, Mahomes,
Alan Burrow and Lamar Jackson are established. Not everybody's going
to hoist trophies. And then I think you get into
five and a lot of people would say Stafford. I would,
But if you considered everything, if you were starting a
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franchise today, you're the gm age health salary, I think
you've got an argument you'd pick Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
The great stock pickers in America don't pick it when
the stock is at eighty dollars a share. They find
that at two dollars a share. So I mean part
of the attractiveness with Jayden Daniels, no bad habits to correct,
very inexpensive for the next four years. He's got his
health like this is going to be the worst roster
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Jaden Daniels plays for on his first concent Here's what
Here's what Tom Brady said earlier. What blows him away
about Jade Daniels.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
He has tremendous poison in the pocket. He's calm under
the chaos of being an NFL quarterback. They're blitzing him
the other night the Lions where he's standing in the
pocket waiting for the very last second, a lot like
you know Patrick does in so many ways. And then
delivers the ball accurately to his receivers. Some players need
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production to become confident. Some people become confident before they
have any production. That's a great trait to have as
an athlete. Before you walk on the field, you're confident.
You don't need to complete your first five passes to
become confident. And I think that's what I see in
a young Jade Daniels.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That's a really good that's a really good thought. Okay,
do we have the breaking bar? It should be in green,
not red. We have a new coach for the New
York Jets, Aaron Glenn, defensive man. I think he's impressive
former Jet. I think he was a scout for the
team for a while. I don't have a problem with it.
(34:07):
I think of all the job openings this year that
were six or seven, I think the Jets have the
best roster. I don't think it's I don't think it's
a bad I mean, he just came out of a
great culture, so I don't have a problem with it.
I think we tend to look at offensive coordinators as
the future of the NFL, and I would prefer if
I had a young quarterback. Generally i'd prefer an offensive coach.
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But Washington's got Dan Quinn and they hired a great coordinator,
so it can be done. Demiko Ryans was CJ. Stroud
defensive coach. Sean McDermott, he went from Brian day Bolt.
Now they got Joe Brady, so I mean it can
be done. I mean, let's let's be honest. John Harbaugh
is not an offensive coach, and Sean McDermott's non offensive coach,
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and Dan Quinn isn't and they were round then last weekend.
Demiko Ryans was around last weekend. And if I was
the Raiders, I think I'd hire Pete Carroll. So I
don't have a problem. I think, I again, we're seeing
defensive coaches with young quarterbacks succeed. And I also think
this organization has made a pivot. Whether or not Aaron
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Rodgers is in the building, he will not control things.
He's not gonna tell them go get me this, this, this.
They don't care. There is a new sheriff in town.
It's Aaron Glenn. I like the hire. I don't have
a problem with it. I mean, I thought Vrabel was
an excellent higher I mean, so far, I think the
hires have been pretty shrewd. I mean, my opinion, Vrabel
is exactly who New England should have hired. I had
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Ben Johnson number two on my list. But by all accounts,
that's a smart hire. I think if Pete Carroll goes
to the Raiders, that's an excellent higher. I don't have
a problem with this higher at all. They weren't going
to get Ben Johnson, so okay, and they weren't going
to get Rabel, so I like the higher. I don't
have a problem with it. I mean, Aaron I called
somebody last night and he thought this was going to happen,
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and nothing but good things to say about Aaron Glenn.
And this is a good team. This is this is
a good roster. You know, you can say what you
want about Robert Sala. They got way worse after Robert
Sala left. So let me read this the Okay, this
is interesting. This is Adam Schefter. The Jets have now
hired seven head coaches since the end of two thousand seasons,
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so in fairness, that is twenty five years, and with
Aaron Glenn, six of them have been first time head
coaches with defensive backgrounds. Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan,
Todd Bowles, Robert Sala, Glenn now Herm Edwards had some success.
Eric Mangini Early had some success, Rex Ryan had some success,
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Bulls Sala didn't. The lone exception was Adam Gase and
that was the biggest mess. So I am I am
offensive coach guy, but not in all cases. I think
Vrabel is a good good hire. J Mack your reaction,
So I.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
Wasn't super positive on this earlier this week, Remember when
it seemed like it was trending this way.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
I'm a Jets fan. I've been rooting for this team
for a long time. You remember the Aaron Rodgers stuff.
I did not want Rogers. I did not want Rodgers
when they got him. All right, let's go Rogers, Let's
get us to the playoffs. So I'm on board with
the Aaron Glenn hyre. I just had to go on YouTube.
Do you remember the Dan Marino fake spike touchdown Passaga Cotette? Yeah,
nineteen ninety four. Do you remember the cornerback who was
victimized on that play, Aaron Glen?
Speaker 6 (37:32):
It was excellent. Yeah, So listen, I'm gonna be positive
and you're right.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
They have a good roster, but there is a lot
I crap, you gotta clean out of that roster, a
lot of garbage.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Clean What garbage do you have to clean out? I
think you start under center.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Huh, you wanna start with the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, let's let's let's let's talk about he's the best
available guy in the market, So let's move off Aaron Rodgers.
Alan Lazard's contracts a little pricey for me. If I
could move off that, I would Aron Smith, that's done
already have a left tackle.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
We hope he got injured, the kid from Penn State.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
By the way, I don't have the Jets picks in
front of me. Do they have all of them? I
think they have all.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
They definitely have their first round pick, DeVante Adams, I
assume is out.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
The door with Aaron Rodgers. And by the way, the
Jets don't have It's not a great quarterback class, so
they don't have an immediate need.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
So Colin, the real problem with the Jets is their
window was last year. Now you're on the cusp Reyce Hall,
who underwhelmed last year, gonna be looking for.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
A contract soon.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
He's gonna show out.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Garrett Wilson, he wants a contract. Sauce Gardner. Now, they're
not up.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Yet, but the window is shrinking before you have to
pay all these young, talented guys that are on the roster.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
So and without a quarterback, I just don't see any reason.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
On Aaron Positive. Aaron had a good seven of his
last eight weeks. He's not the future. He is fifteenth
best quarterback in the league. Okay, that's fine. I don't
All I'm gonna say is this of the coaching vacancies.
New England doesn't have this roster. Saints don't have this roster,
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and the Saints have cap Hell coming up. This team
has some space. They do have a quarterback who played
well down the stretch. They've got they have six elite players,
all right. Let me Gwenn Williams, Sauce Gardner, the young
linebacker they like. I think Brice Hall, Garrett Wilson, Davonte Adams,
and the tight end from Penn State's going to be
(39:24):
elite this year with the left tackle from Yes left
my back, so Colin here, here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Without a quarterback, you really don't have much. The last
time that when they hired Rex Ryan as head coach.
They traded up and got Mark Sanchez and they went
to back to back AFC Championship games.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Is there a.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
World where the Jets can dangle something to the Titans
and go up and get cam Ward.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
I'm willing to move off, soft Gardner.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Now I'm waning to move off, Garrett. Let me say this.
Let me throw this out there, is that the Jets.
Also the good thing about having the number seven pick
is you have that pick at the top up of
every round, so it's a so remember so Ryan, by
the way, do the Jets have a second round pick?
Speaker 6 (40:08):
I believe they do. I think it was Okay, last
year they lost it.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Okay, Roger, I'm gonna make a prediction that the Jets
try to move down from the number seven spot. They
won't have a ton of success doing that. Okay. It
says they have a round two pick or a third
conditional raider. So I don't know what they have this morning,
but they have a third, fourth, three, two, five, two six.
(40:33):
Who do you want? Don't tell me, I'll tell you
right now. If if I ran the Jets number one,
I would move down with a seven pick. I don't
think if they had the four they could, I don't
think they can at seven. So they're gonna go out,
you know what, They're gonna go out and get. They're
probably gonna go out and get I would guess. I
don't think he'll be available now, team act the receiver
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won't be available. Okay, let me throw it out here.
I'll throw it down. Mason Graham, who I think is
the third best player in the draft them defensive tackle,
is going to be in that six, seven eight spot.
He will start Day one and be an impact player.
I think they'd move down. But if they could get
Mason Graham, I would take.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
Him next to Quinn Williams in the middle.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I think it would in that. By the way, in
the NFL, if you talk to executives, the interior D
line has now superseded the end as the place to
have your talent. Second pick, if they have a second
I don't know if they do. Keep your eye on
Syracuse quarterback Kyle McCord.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
All right, well I get that.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Well, I'll get a little.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Hotter than that.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
This is really rich at seven. But we've seen now
four mobile quarterbacks are left in the playoffs. Mobile quarterbacks
are winning. Tom Brady talked about quarterbacks leaving the pocket.
Why not kick the tires on Jalen Milroe at seven.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
I know that's a little rich.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
I say no, but if you want to keep Rogers,
Milroe sits for a year the way Patrick Mahomes did,
and Milroe then takes over as your quarterback in a year.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
He's mobile, he can make things happen.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
That's kind of a reach, but I like him. It
is a little reach.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, here we go. It is a Thursday. It
is live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Tom Brady
stops by in thirty minutes. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. So, Jaback, I was thinking about this.
I do not watch games with fans now infrequently. You
(00:51):
and I'll go, or I'll go to my place in
Manhattan Beach and I'll watch a game that doesn't really matter.
What I would call a fun game. I haven't bet it.
It may not be on the show, it's a Friday
Saturday game. But generally I don't like to watch professional
sports with other people that aren't in my business because
(01:13):
they always blame the refs. Even my reasonable smart friends,
they always blame the refs. Oh boy, here we go.
So the Kansas City Chiefs are twenty two and two
in their last twenty four and even jamac, a hardened journalist,
believes it's luck, it's rigged. It's the officials. And so
what has always been remarkable to me? And I'm not
a snob on this stuff. I just get worn down
(01:34):
by fans and friends. It's always the refs. So Kansas
City now is the target of all this stuff. And
you'll hear from Patrick Mahomes in about three minutes. But
I'll give you an example. Fans will be tough on
the officials. They want perfection, but yet they let their
coach and their players off the hook all the time.
So let's go to Sunday's game. So let's just go
(01:56):
to this Houston game where everybody thought it was the refs.
It is for than ten at this moment, it's the
biggest possession of the game for the Houston Texans. They
are scrambling to get the play in and here's the call.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, this is too big of a play. I think
they need to call time out, but they snapped it.
Glitz again.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Stroud in trouble Carloftus is there. Kansas City, bar complete Mayheim.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You think you're gonna beat Andy Reid in a bye
and you can't get that buttoned up. But Tamiko Ryans
after said these officials, that was us against the world. Now,
Kansas City didn't score on that. Now, let's go back
to the first quarter. We'll reverse it. Let's go back
to the first quarter. Remember, the NFL has instructed its
officials call roughing on plays like this, and at first glance,
(02:56):
it looked like roughing. It's not challengeable. So there's that
play and everybody think that is not right. Well, on
that play, it did give them a first down, I'll
admit that. But on the very next play, Travis Kelcey,
the best time end in football for six seven years
(03:16):
is for one of four times on the day left
wide open. You may want to cover him. I mean,
Kansas City doesn't have a lethal receiving corps. They don't
throw to their backs that much. That's the one guy
you have to cover. You didn't. He was seventy percent
of the offense. Xavier Worthy's more of a gadget guy.
(03:38):
Rashi Rice is out. It's musical chairs at wide receiver.
Noah Gray's not beating anybody down the field. You had
one guy to cover if you left them open all game.
Let's go back even further to the opening kickoff. You
basically gave the Chiefs a three to nothing lead at
Arrowhead off a buye, and to make it worse than
(03:59):
giving up a sixty three yard kick, you had an
unsportsman like penalty and a player shoving a coach. So
you go on the road, you shove a coach, a
disastrous special teams performance, You miss two field goals, that's
six points. You miss a pat that's one point. You
give up a field goal in the opening kick because
of that nonsense, that's ten points. You lost by nine.
(04:23):
And you also on several occasions did not cover the
only really Hall of Fame level weapon Kansas City has
Old Rickety Travis Kelcey. And you're blaming the refs on
a go either way call with Will Anderson and Patrick Mahomes,
which I said yesterday on first glance, I was like, Oh,
(04:46):
that's that. That that and the referees it's not challengeable.
They don't get slow mo, they don't get a replay,
they got a call. What they see so again you
demand that the officials are perfect when they're instructed to
make certain calls and they're not challengeable calls. But you
gave up on special teams. You gave up ten points
(05:10):
and you lost by nine, and that gets lost over.
Patrick Mahomes was talking about what it's like to be
the chiefs now in this constant talk about officials and
working the system.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And obviously I've been on both sides of it as
far as how I felt the calls were made. But
at the end of the day, man, those guys are
doing doing their best to make the best calls and
keep it to where the players and making the plays
in the game. And that's what besides the outcome. And
obviously there was a call here or there that people
didn't agree with, but at the same time, I think
(05:44):
there was a lot of other plays that really decided
to out come of that football game.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, there were. I've said this to NBA fans because
for years and years NBA fans were relentless, mostly because
the Lakers attracted better players. They had Shack and Kobe.
That's the way it works. And I always said this
whenever you want to complain as an NBA fan, ask
yourself two questions. How many free throws did you miss?
(06:11):
How many free throws did your team miss? Oh nine?
You can't hit free throws as a professional basketball player.
And how many turnovers do you have? And if the
combination is like sixteen to eighteen mistakes, the refs get
one occasionally two. All right, So I do not believe
in curses, UFOs, ghosts. Yeah, I don't believe any of
(06:34):
that stuff. Sorry, but I said this this morning to
the staff. If Ben Johnson and the Bears don't work,
I'm pouring my entire net worth into bitcoin. I think
it's going to work. Now, there are so many things.
This is not the Jets, this is not Carolina. This
(06:55):
should work. And here's the new guy they hired. It's
Ben Johnson. Full of energy, full of spirit. He talked yesterday.
Here it is all right, Bears Nation.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You're ready to go beyond fired up to be here.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
This is exciting times. Cannot wait to get to work.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Bear down, baby, Okay, sharp offensive coach known for maximizing
offensive personnel, and the Bears have weapons. Just left a
great culture so he can cherry pick some stuff. He
had proximity to a great culture and a rebuild, right, Like,
he wasn't in a dynasty, he was in a bad
franchise that built up from the ground floor. So this
(07:37):
is literally he's taking the job and he just worked
through a four and five year cycle of what he
wants to do. He can steal stuff from there. The
Bears have good assets. They have sixty six million dollars
in cap space, that's top five. They have a dynamic
rookie quarterback who has four years he's basically free. And oh,
(08:00):
by the way, you have three picks in the top
forty one because you have an extra second. You have
interesting weapons. This is not the Panther's job. This is
not the Patriots job with Jerrod Mayo. That's not what
this is. So I don't know if Ben Johnson can
turn it around. I don't know if he's Bobby Flay
or Sean McVay. But he's got a full pantry in
(08:21):
a great kitchen. And if you go look, what really
is true is that if you just look at the
two teams that were in worse shape than Chicago Washington
this year, I mean, Washington's roster coming into the season
is significantly lower PFF than Chicago's that Ben Johnson will
get and he's got He's got six seven draft picks
(08:43):
to add and free agents. And Houston was a laughing
stop ownership down. And they both gave you blueprints. For instance,
Washington fixed the offensive line. Then they brought in like smart,
savvy veterans Bobby Wagner, Zach Ertz, Marcus Mariota. So you
don't even have to if you're Ben Johnson, you don't
(09:05):
even have to be original. You can just steal what
Washington did. You have a mobile quarterback, Your O line
needs upgrading, Go add sprinkle in a couple savvy veterans, stir,
put it in the oven, let it bake, and it
should work. So now now, in the first moves, he
(09:27):
hired Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. I like Dennis
Allen as a DC, not a head coach. He's gonna
bring reportedly as the offensive coordinator, the guy Hank Fraley
that built that offensive line. I like that move. So
there's a there's like eight reasons this should work. You
(09:48):
don't even have to be original, just copy Washington, and
I feel like I won't be watching a football team,
I'll be watching an exorcis. Can they exercise their quarterback
and offensive demons? Because when you look at this, this
is a way better situation than Washington had, in a
(10:10):
way better situation than Houston had. We hated Houston's roster
two years ago, and Ben Johnson doesn't even get a rookie.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Stride was a rookie for Demico Ryans. I mean, Caleb's
already been in the league. So take a deep breath.
But people ask me, you think it'll work, and I'm like, yeah,
I think it will work. I think it will work.
But this is not Remember most people thought if you
(10:39):
would have had a younger, more current, richer owner, most
people thought this was viewed as the best job available,
despite their politics and potholes. So I'm looking at Dennis Allen,
I'm looking at this, I'm looking at cap Space. I'm
looking at you can use Washington with a mobile quarterback
in all new people as an example. They're gonna bring
(10:59):
the Lion's O line coach to be the OC. Like
this should work. I'm very excited it should work. Here
was is it? Ben Johnson introducing himself to Chicago. We
already showed that video, right, we already showed that one. Okay,
so j Max, you're looking at me kind of smiling.
I'm not trying to be overly optimistic, but I also
(11:21):
don't want to be cynical because it does stack up.
There's a lot of stuff here. I mean, the big
knock is we don't know if it's the right GM.
We also don't know if it's the wrong one.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I don't know much about Ben Johnson.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
I'd really never heard him say much outside of that video,
so I wonder it was a little rigid. And I'm
not being too critical here, but you know how when
you like meet a girl and you think there's some
major potential, it's just like you want to go salsa
dancing and you're like, of course not, oh sure, yeah,
let's go salsa dancing. Yeah, That, to me is what
Ben Johnson felt like there, where he's like, all right,
bear down, let's go. Well, he looks like a quiet
(11:59):
reserve kind of cotton docors on the weekend kind of guy. Okay,
who's buttoned up.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
And I don't know if that looked like the real
Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Okay, let me just say this. I do to your point,
he is not McVeigh, right, but I will tell you
I think he could be Matt Lafleur. So when Matt
Lafleur got the job in Green Bay, I made two
calls to Tennessee. I said, what are they getting and
they said, well, he hasn't shown that he can walk
in and be a leader of men. He can be
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kind of quiet, kind of cerebral. The knock on him is, oh,
he's going to Green Bay and it's Aaron Rodgers. Is
he going to get overpowered? So he was not. By
the way, Shanahan's not a big personality there. He's not.
Zach Taylor's not. He's been to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Mike McDaniel's definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Mike McDaniels is not. He's quirky. Matt Lafleur isn't. You
look at McVeigh and you're like, well, Sean is the
whole package. Okay. That is like comparing quarterbacks to mahomes.
If you can be ninety three percent of mahomes, you're
a seven time Pro bowler. Like if Jaden Daniels you
said today is ninety percent of mahomes, that means he'll
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win a Super Bowl or two. Because Patrick may win
six and he's going to be a thirteen time pro
bowler and Patrick will be eighteen times. So my take is,
don't look at McVeigh. I would look at Matt Lafleur,
who was a bit reticent, not a huge personality kind of.
I think what I hear about Ben very cerebral, very bright.
Now now we don't want him to beat Adam Gaze,
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who really was tipped on the a little obscure, a
little out there. But I think my take is best
case scenario, and what I've heard over the last three days,
there's some Matt Lafleur here.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
That means big win. Colin breaking news.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
The Buffalo Bills were just flagged fifteen yards for hitting
Patrick Mahomes and the game till five days away.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Just wanted to put that on your radar, an early
flag on the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
See, I'm not going to watch games with you anymore.
This is what it is. You. You were the last
guy I watched games.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I sit on my couch all weekend and just write
down notes for games because you've done this before, like
the Kansas City's gotten into Laker territory, like Kobe and Shack.
So I used to say this all. We got Tom
Brady here pretty quick. But I used to say this
all the time about Shaq. If you went to a
Laker game and watched, how often Shaq was fouled and
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it wasn't called. But if you watched on TV you
thought Shaq was fouling everybody. You had to go to
a Laker game, sit there and watch Shaq get mugged
for two and a half hours.
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Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah. I'm eternally grateful that I got a broadcast for
a living and watch sports and take notes and have fun.
But it's also been great that I get Tom Brady
on a regular basis. He is joining us all.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I gotta start with this because everything I read on
and the internet Tom is true, and it breaks my
heart that we only got to work a year together.
You're already leaving, so it's really hard for me. I
swear to God, the interweb has you. I don't know
where you're going, but you're leaving. Would you address that please?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It's hard for me too. I thought it was a
great run, you know, one solid year, so you know
there's time for new things, and I figured, you know,
this has been totally master to this point. Yeah, I
don't know where it comes from. I know it always
says sources close to Brady or whatever. But I've had
the best time at Fox, and I've loved every time
(15:35):
going into the booth and working with such great people,
starting with my partner Kevin, everyone in our crew, Ze Russ, Aaron,
Tom who you know everyone would probably know a little
bit about, but behind the scenes, there's so many incredible
people that bring the NFL to life and to see
kind of how it is from a different perspective, you know,
(15:57):
I've had so many years, twenty three years playing on
the field, I've watched so many games from from you know,
the sideline, sideline view, and now I'm sitting up there
in the booth and seeing it from a different perspective.
And I've I've I've loved kind of just the whole
process and diving into all these different teams. It's been
a lot of growth for me in one year, and
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I really can't see can't wait to see what it
looks like in year or two, and and way beyond
that too. So I got nine years left on my
deal and maybe longer. You never know. If Fox wants me,
then I want to go. We'll just keep going because
it's been it's been really fun thus far.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think sources close to Brady or your kids, and
my guess is they're not leaking stuff to the internet.
So okay, So all right, let's get into the raider stuff.
So they need a coach again, there's a lot of
talk about who the coach. They need a general manager.
So you're a rookie broadcaster, you're now a rookie part
of an ownership group. Kind of give me what does
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this entail.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
That's a great point, you know, being rookie too. You
got to almost go back to what your roots are
as a rookie and remember that when you are a
rookie year trying to learn as much as you can.
And when I was a rookie as a quarterback, I
really just kind of engulf myself in the playbook and
listen to a lot of the veterans, and this is
how you're going to go about it, Tom, this is
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how you're going to be the best possible player you
can be. And then you realize that many years later,
ten years later, I started to actually perform the way
that I thought I was capable of performing. So I
wish I could have played football my entire life, but
that kind of, you know, twenty three years was long enough.
I got tired of really taking the hits and I
wanted to spend, you know, as much time as I
could with the kids. So really being involved with the
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Raiders gives me an opportunity to be involved with football
for the rest of my life. And I really love teamwork.
I always have. I love seeing other people succeed. I
really hope other players get former players get opportunities to
be involved with teams. And right now I've got there's
a great own group, there's other great people involved on
one voice. It's so collaborative. But I think this process
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of learning is so important. So that's kind of where
it's at.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So I want to ask you about Ben Johnson. So
this is interesting to me. So everybody says, and I
think I fall into this, Hey he got an offensive coach,
and you think immediately that's great, but you didn't. And
in fact, Belichick let you and Josh kind of go
behind the curtain and he let you do your thing,
which I love that that's cool, Like, hey, you're into it, Josh.
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If you get an offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Here's what I think when you look at these go ahead,
sorry Carl a second delay. But I think that it's
there's such a jigsaw puzzle when you look at a
lot of different organizations, and whether football organizations or basketball baseball,
I think it's a collective group of people and you've
got to figure out that puzzle of what exactly fit.
If you do have a defensive head coach, you know,
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like Bill Was. Bill was a great manager, and Bill
did a great job coach in the coaches and he
had high expectations. I think he had backgrounded offense, so
he didn't necessarily probably throw all his ideas out there,
but he did have a general understanding of how we
should perform on offense and he had expectations for that.
Bill was, I thought, one of the greatest special teams
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coaches ever in the history of the NFL, and obviously
the greatest defensive coordinator probably in the history of the NFL.
So I think when you look at all the different
roles that he played in the organization that I was
successful in. He did more than just coach. He was
a great kind of added beneficiary or added great benefit
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to the defensive staff. He was a great listening and
is about to listen to what we're doing offensively, could
provide insight to that. There was a lot of things
he added to our clubs. So this whole puzzle with
the offense coach defensive coach, I just it should be
about great people doing great things, working collaboratively, being humble,
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learning every year. In the same way that you said
earlier to me, you're always trying to up your game
every year. I feel like that's what I always try
to do as a player, and I don't see that's
any different in football or in business. Everybody should always
be looking to improve and understanding where their weaknesses are,
how to improve their weaknesses, and then continue to build
on their strengths.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You watched a lot of Caleb Williams. If there was
one thing that you want him to improve on that
Ben Johnson can zero in on and you got a
lot of snaps. Is there one thing you'd say, hey, Caleb,
this is the one thing I want you to work on.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
I think it's always you know, well, I would say
this for any player, and Caleb in particularly as a
young player, there's a lot of room for growth. Obviously,
it's really up to him to decide where he wants
to spend his time and energy to become the player
that he wants to be. And I believe that there's
three parts that make up great players, the physical, the mental,
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the emotional. We all have deficiencies. None of of are
fur pick players. Maybe the only perfect players I played
against was Ed Reid, ray Lewis, Jason Taylor. Those guys
were perfect in my opinion, but they had so many
things figured out. I, let's say, at one point, was
physically probably not where I wanted to be. Mentally emotional,
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I was always very good. I had a great understanding
of the tactics. I could bring a competitive desire to
practice every single day to get the most out of
my teammates. Where I needed to prove is physically. How
do I become a better pocket passer? How do I
improve the footwork in my pocket? How can I become
more durable? How can I be a little bit more
stronger in the pocket. When those things caught up to
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what I was doing mentally and emotionally, I became the
type of player that I wanted to be. Some guys
are really blessed physically, so they don't have to work
on necessarily the mental, emotional as much. So I think
you always have to have an understanding if you want
to reach your true potential, it's about maximizing all three
of them. Those things. I went and spoke to the
Notre Dame football team before they were in the Orange season,
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before they won the Orange Bowl. I talked about those
exact same things. I talk to any player who comes
up and talks to me, whether it's other quarterbacks on
other teams, whether it's college teams. You know they're always
seeking my advice, and I tell them the same thing.
You have to have a self awareness about who you are,
where you want to go, and then work hard at
the things where you're deficient and while still understanding what
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your strengths are and bill on those. But this is
this is a full time job to be an NFL player.
This is I woke up in the morning brushing my
teeth in the morning thinking about my throwing mechanics. If
I just get my left shoulder looking in the mirror
of you's That's how I thought about it, and I
think that's why I was able to have such a
productive career over a long period of time.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Jaden Daniels is obviously gifted. He moves well, he's accurate
when you watch him from upstairs. What is the one
thing that surprises you about Jaden Daniels as a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
I think when you deal with most rookie quarterbacks, and
I think what I saw in this Detroit game is
when they most defensive coaches. Now, it's just like, let's
put pressure on him, Let's get to the middle of
the pocket. Let's send blitzers. He won't see him, he
won't have a full understanding of protections or where his
great one on one matchups are. Jaden looks and I
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know this for a fact. He is a tremendous work ethic.
Everybody speaks about his ability to work hard. He's in
the playbook after he gets drafted. In the offseason, he's
trying to understand what the coaches are going to ask him,
and then you see how it's reflected in his rookie season,
one of the great rookie seasons any quarterbacks ever had.
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And he's got a great connection with his players. He
has the physical tools, and he's a very humble kid.
How that reflects, and when I watch him play, he
has tremendous poison in the pocket. He's calm under the
chaos of being an NFL quarterback. They're blitzing him the
other night the Lions, where he's standing in the pocket
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waiting the very last second a lot like you know
Patrick does in so many ways, and then delivers the
ball accurately to his receivers instride and they make big plays.
So that's I think a little bit about what's in
store for him as he continues to develop in his future,
his poise, confidence in himself. Some players need production to
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become confident. Some people become confident before they have any production.
That's a great trait to have as an athlete. Before
you walk on the field, you're confident. You don't need
to complete your first five passes to become confident. And
I think that's what I see in a young Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Take out Gronk and the Patriots weren't known as personality.
Plus Belichick muted some of that, or or players self
muted that, knowing Bill didn't like it. And then there's
the Philadelphia Eagles. It's ego and now now Barkley. Saquan
is very patriot like Jalen Hurts a little bit, but
it's a big personality. The coach is barking at fans,
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how does it work in Philadelphia because it's the opposite
of your dynasty.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Sure, I think they do things very uniquely. But Howie
Roseman's done an incredible job assembling that team. I think
he's a guy that lives in breathe football every single day.
When you think about being tough, you think about the
offensive line and running the football, and the defensive line
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and their ability to stop the run. And you're right,
they do have some personalities. But when I look at
Jordan my Alatta, when I look at Lane Johnson and
Dickerson and Jurgiens and Makai Beckton coming in there, the
strength of that team is their offensive line and Saquon
and they're just tremendous. That dominating force they have up
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front is absolutely incredible, and the defensive line has drawn
a tremendous job, and Williams has done a great job.
Jalen Carter's had a great second season, Sweat's done a
great job. They lost Brandon, Graham and Huff to injury,
and they're still producing at a very high level. So
I think that physical toughness permeates the whole team. And
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then you're right. I think naturally at the skill positions
there always is a little more personality. And I reference
this in one of the games. The receivers certainly, and
this has been even when I was a rookie with
Terry Glenn. You know, God rest his soul, but he
had a, you know, his own way of trying to
get included. And if they're not getting passes all the time,
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whether that was Randy, who I love more than anyone
in this world, they just they want to feel included
in what they're doing. If they're not getting balls and
impact in the game, they want to let you know
about it. And that's just part of it that comes
with the territory. AJ does a little bit of that.
DeVante Smith is obviously a great teammate and a very
unselfish player. But naturally, some of those I would say,
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cornerback positions, receiver positions, they have their own way of
looking at things and you just deal with it.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Probably finally here because we have about three minutes left, Mahomes.
Mahomes getting a lot of heat. I've been defending the Patriots,
I said a couple of years ago when they when
they moved off Tyreek Hill, they became the Patriots. They
wouldn't be the firework shows. Like you guys losing Moss,
You're not gonna score fifty. You're gonna have to be
more efficient. You have to be smarter, you have to
be even better situationally, Randy Moss or Tyreek Hill give
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you those free touchdowns over the top and those two
play drives those are over I think they manipulate. I
think they leverage. I think they're smart. I don't think
you know, all this rig stuff's nonsense. But but I
will say Mahomes and that out of bound stuff where
he stops, I don't love that. I think it's I
don't love that. What do you make of the late
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hits and the controversy that the league is protecting Mahomes,
What do you make of all of it?
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Well, there's an aspect that I don't like about the
some of these defensive rules. I think I've been pretty outspoken,
not just on broadcasts but just in general over the
last bunch of years and before a quarterbacks out of bounds,
you know you hit them. And it's the reality for
me is offensive players need to protect themselves and if
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they're running full speed and the defenders are coming up,
the defenders the intent is to create The only way
to turn the ball over is to create force. Right,
you're not going to blow on the football and gonna,
you know, knock its way out of a running back's
hands or a quarterback says you got to go in
there with force and knock it out. You're trying to
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create turnovers, you're trying to disrupt the pass, you're trying
to dislodge the ball. The only way to do that
is with force, and there needs to be an aggressiveness
to doing that. When quarterbacks become running backs and they're
out of the pocket, they should lose their protection. And
we are in essence, we're trying to say we're trying
to protect the quarterbacks, but coaches are calling more quarterback
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runs than ever in the history of the game. So
who's protecting the quarterback? You're trying to say the referee
should do it. I believe if you're an offensive player
and you can't protect yourself or you're a defensive player,
and you can't protect yourself. If you're a d lineman
and you're engaged in a block, no one can come
and clip you, which is that's a chop block. That's
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well known. Everyone agrees with that. If you're defending your
own block, you know they can. They got to get
you on the ground somehow. If you're running with the ball,
you should protect yourself. If you don't want to get hit,
you can go down, you can run out of bounds,
but you can't, in essence, have the defensive player come
in at half speed and then you run over the
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defensive player because he's afraid of getting a penalty. And
I think it's just a disservice to the game. It's
something that I would hope that people would really address
and say, not that anyone's trying to take advantage of
the rules, but they've just gone to a point where
it does impact the quality of the game. I was
on my social media and I was watching Ronnie Lott
and who's the greatest safety Ronnie Lott?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Why?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Because he brought a force to the game that if
you were catching the ball over the middle, he was
going to force incomplete passes and if the quarterbacks made
bad reads, you know, that's who That's how the game
got taught. Now there's no repercussions for quarterbacks making poor reads,
making poor decisions out of the pocket. So I think, overall,
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in my opinion, that needs to be seriously looked at.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
All right, And like the professional broadcaster he is, he
hands it to me for about twelve seconds left before
we go to break. Tom Brady, nice to know you're
going to be back at Fox. You know, you gotta
be careful about the interweb, folks. Not everything, believe it
or not, is true. And his sources, I swear to you,
are as kids, and that's who's everybody's sources should be.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
My friend.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Good seeing to Tom Bi Colin.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
We'll talk to you soon, man, have a great week,
all right.
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Speaker 1 (32:03):
So earlier, Danny Parkins pushback on Jaden Daniels maybe being
the top five quarterback in the NFL. But I do
think we have four that are established, you know, Mahomes,
Alan Burrow and Lamar Jackson are established. Not everybody's going
to hoist trophies. And then I think you get into
five and a lot of people would say Stafford. I would,
But if you considered everything, if you were starting a
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franchise today, you're the gm age health salary, I think
you've got an argument you'd pick Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
The great stock pickers in America don't pick it when
the stock is at eighty dollars a share. They find
that at two dollars a share. So I mean part
of the attractiveness with Jayden Daniels, no bad habits to correct,
very inexpensive for the next four years. He's got his
health like this is going to be the worst roster
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Jaden Daniels plays for on his first concent Here's what
Here's what Tom Brady said earlier. What blows him away
about Jade Daniels.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
He has tremendous poison in the pocket. He's calm under
the chaos of being an NFL quarterback. They're blitzing him
the other night the Lions where he's standing in the
pocket waiting for the very last second, a lot like
you know Patrick does in so many ways. And then
delivers the ball accurately to his receivers. Some players need
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production to become confident. Some people become confident before they
have any production. That's a great trait to have as
an athlete. Before you walk on the field, you're confident.
You don't need to complete your first five passes to
become confident. And I think that's what I see in
a young Jade Daniels.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That's a really good that's a really good thought. Okay,
do we have the breaking bar? It should be in green,
not red. We have a new coach for the New
York Jets, Aaron Glenn, defensive man. I think he's impressive
former Jet. I think he was a scout for the
team for a while. I don't have a problem with it.
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I think of all the job openings this year that
were six or seven, I think the Jets have the
best roster. I don't think it's I don't think it's
a bad I mean, he just came out of a
great culture, so I don't have a problem with it.
I think we tend to look at offensive coordinators as
the future of the NFL, and I would prefer if
I had a young quarterback. Generally i'd prefer an offensive coach.
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But Washington's got Dan Quinn and they hired a great coordinator,
so it can be done. Demiko Ryans was CJ. Stroud
defensive coach. Sean McDermott, he went from Brian day Bolt.
Now they got Joe Brady, so I mean it can
be done. I mean, let's let's be honest. John Harbaugh
is not an offensive coach, and Sean McDermott's non offensive coach,
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and Dan Quinn isn't and they were round then last weekend.
Demiko Ryans was around last weekend. And if I was
the Raiders, I think I'd hire Pete Carroll. So I
don't have a problem. I think, I again, we're seeing
defensive coaches with young quarterbacks succeed. And I also think
this organization has made a pivot. Whether or not Aaron
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Rodgers is in the building, he will not control things.
He's not gonna tell them go get me this, this, this.
They don't care. There is a new sheriff in town.
It's Aaron Glenn. I like the hire. I don't have
a problem with it. I mean, I thought Vrabel was
an excellent higher I mean, so far, I think the
hires have been pretty shrewd. I mean, my opinion, Vrabel
is exactly who New England should have hired. I had
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Ben Johnson number two on my list. But by all accounts,
that's a smart hire. I think if Pete Carroll goes
to the Raiders, that's an excellent higher. I don't have
a problem with this higher at all. They weren't going
to get Ben Johnson, so okay, and they weren't going
to get Rabel, so I like the higher. I don't
have a problem with it. I mean, Aaron I called
somebody last night and he thought this was going to happen,
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and nothing but good things to say about Aaron Glenn.
And this is a good team. This is this is
a good roster. You know, you can say what you
want about Robert Sala. They got way worse after Robert
Sala left. So let me read this the Okay, this
is interesting. This is Adam Schefter. The Jets have now
hired seven head coaches since the end of two thousand seasons,
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so in fairness, that is twenty five years, and with
Aaron Glenn, six of them have been first time head
coaches with defensive backgrounds. Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan,
Todd Bowles, Robert Sala, Glenn now Herm Edwards had some success.
Eric Mangini Early had some success, Rex Ryan had some success,
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Bulls Sala didn't. The lone exception was Adam Gase and
that was the biggest mess. So I am I am
offensive coach guy, but not in all cases. I think
Vrabel is a good good hire. J Mack your reaction,
So I.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
Wasn't super positive on this earlier this week, Remember when
it seemed like it was trending this way.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
I'm a Jets fan. I've been rooting for this team
for a long time. You remember the Aaron Rodgers stuff.
I did not want Rogers. I did not want Rodgers
when they got him. All right, let's go Rogers, Let's
get us to the playoffs. So I'm on board with
the Aaron Glenn hyre. I just had to go on YouTube.
Do you remember the Dan Marino fake spike touchdown Passaga Cotette? Yeah,
nineteen ninety four. Do you remember the cornerback who was
victimized on that play, Aaron Glen?
Speaker 6 (37:32):
It was excellent. Yeah, So listen, I'm gonna be positive
and you're right.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
They have a good roster, but there is a lot
I crap, you gotta clean out of that roster, a
lot of garbage.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Clean What garbage do you have to clean out? I
think you start under center.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Huh, you wanna start with the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, let's let's let's let's talk about he's the best
available guy in the market, So let's move off Aaron Rodgers.
Alan Lazard's contracts a little pricey for me. If I
could move off that, I would Aron Smith, that's done
already have a left tackle.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
We hope he got injured, the kid from Penn State.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
By the way, I don't have the Jets picks in
front of me. Do they have all of them? I
think they have all.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
They definitely have their first round pick, DeVante Adams, I
assume is out.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
The door with Aaron Rodgers. And by the way, the
Jets don't have It's not a great quarterback class, so
they don't have an immediate need.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
So Colin, the real problem with the Jets is their
window was last year. Now you're on the cusp Reyce Hall,
who underwhelmed last year, gonna be looking for.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
A contract soon.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
He's gonna show out.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Garrett Wilson, he wants a contract. Sauce Gardner. Now, they're
not up.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Yet, but the window is shrinking before you have to
pay all these young, talented guys that are on the roster.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
So and without a quarterback, I just don't see any reason.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
On Aaron Positive. Aaron had a good seven of his
last eight weeks. He's not the future. He is fifteenth
best quarterback in the league. Okay, that's fine. I don't
All I'm gonna say is this of the coaching vacancies.
New England doesn't have this roster. Saints don't have this roster,
(39:03):
and the Saints have cap Hell coming up. This team
has some space. They do have a quarterback who played
well down the stretch. They've got they have six elite players,
all right. Let me Gwenn Williams, Sauce Gardner, the young
linebacker they like. I think Brice Hall, Garrett Wilson, Davonte Adams,
and the tight end from Penn State's going to be
(39:24):
elite this year with the left tackle from Yes left
my back, so Colin here, here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Without a quarterback, you really don't have much. The last
time that when they hired Rex Ryan as head coach.
They traded up and got Mark Sanchez and they went
to back to back AFC Championship games.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Is there a.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
World where the Jets can dangle something to the Titans
and go up and get cam Ward.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
I'm willing to move off, soft Gardner.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Now I'm waning to move off, Garrett. Let me say this.
Let me throw this out there, is that the Jets.
Also the good thing about having the number seven pick
is you have that pick at the top up of
every round, so it's a so remember so Ryan, by
the way, do the Jets have a second round pick?
Speaker 6 (40:08):
I believe they do. I think it was Okay, last
year they lost it.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Okay, Roger, I'm gonna make a prediction that the Jets
try to move down from the number seven spot. They
won't have a ton of success doing that. Okay. It
says they have a round two pick or a third
conditional raider. So I don't know what they have this morning,
but they have a third, fourth, three, two, five, two six.
(40:33):
Who do you want? Don't tell me, I'll tell you
right now. If if I ran the Jets number one,
I would move down with a seven pick. I don't
think if they had the four they could, I don't
think they can at seven. So they're gonna go out,
you know what, They're gonna go out and get. They're
probably gonna go out and get I would guess. I
don't think he'll be available now, team act the receiver
(40:57):
won't be available. Okay, let me throw it out here.
I'll throw it down. Mason Graham, who I think is
the third best player in the draft them defensive tackle,
is going to be in that six, seven eight spot.
He will start Day one and be an impact player.
I think they'd move down. But if they could get
Mason Graham, I would take.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
Him next to Quinn Williams in the middle.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I think it would in that. By the way, in
the NFL, if you talk to executives, the interior D
line has now superseded the end as the place to
have your talent. Second pick, if they have a second
I don't know if they do. Keep your eye on
Syracuse quarterback Kyle McCord.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
All right, well I get that.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Well, I'll get a little.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Hotter than that.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
This is really rich at seven. But we've seen now
four mobile quarterbacks are left in the playoffs. Mobile quarterbacks
are winning. Tom Brady talked about quarterbacks leaving the pocket.
Why not kick the tires on Jalen Milroe at seven.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
I know that's a little rich.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
I say no, but if you want to keep Rogers,
Milroe sits for a year the way Patrick Mahomes did,
and Milroe then takes over as your quarterback in a year.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
He's mobile, he can make things happen.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
That's kind of a reach, but I like him. It
is a little reach.
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