January 25, 2025 • 49 mins
John dives into the news of the days that the Las Vegas Raiders have hired Pete Carroll as their new head coach. Is Carroll the right guy for the Raiders or is he just the NEXT guy. Next, John discusses Liam Coen deciding to leave the Bucs for the Jags head coaching job.
Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.
3:07 - Pete Carroll goes to Vegas
14:26 - Liam Coen heads to Jacksonville
24:15 - Mailbag
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff here with a little weekend mail bag. You
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guys know the drill. We'd like to put these out,
give you something to listen to you while you're going
for a walk, hanging out. I just have so many
mail bag questions. I like getting through some of them
on this Saturday. I did a little bit on the
breaking news on Friday on Pete Carroll and seventy three
years old will be the head coach of the Raiders
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and Tom Brady and Mark Davis get their new head coach.
Who will team up? It looks like with John Spytech
and Liam Cohen. Drama in Tampa and Jacksonville. A couple
quick thoughts there as well, so we will discuss that
and other than that, not much going on, so make
sure you subscribe to the podcast. And let's rock and roll.
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We got to start with Pete Carroll. The Raiders go
from one of the craziest stretches in recent memory of
coaches John Gruden to Josh McDaniels to Antonio Peers to
Pete Carroll. That's that's gonna be hard to top of.
It hasn't been that long. I mean we're talking like
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three and a half years that they have had those
guys under contract as their head coaches. Big picture with
Pete Carroll, I admire this a lot about any human being,
and I give this advice to any young person looking
for direction in college or early on in their professional career.
Find what you love to do, and it makes life
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a lot easier no matter what you end up doing
for a profession, even if you are addicted to it
and love it and it's your passion, that there is
elements that it becomes work. So you might as well
do what you like to do. And I don't think
it's possible to like football. And I would lump three
guys into this mix. Bill Belichick is Pete Carroll's age
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as well, could not get an NFL job and just
went to North Carolina to coach football. Why because he
loves coaching football like it is deep deep into his soul.
I say this all the time, no matter how much
you think you like it as a fan, as someone
that follows your team, as someone that follows the league
or college football and watches a lot, you don't even
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come close to liking it as much is guys like
Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, I've been around Andy Reid. I
always laugh whenever I see Andy Reid might retire. Have
you met Andy Reid? I'll promise you this. As long
as he is standing up straight, he's going nowhere. You
can't like football more than these guys. Pete Carroll's a
good example. Takes the Raider job, which I totally understand
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the Raiders hiring him that they have just a disaster,
and they've been a disaster for twenty plus years. They
just need to get the train back on the tracks.
It's like when you're down seven to nothing in a
baseball game in the eighth inning, you're not looking for
a solo home run, like just let's just get on base,
Let's just try to start a rally. Let's just get
a little momentum. Let's all of a sudden, we got
two guys on with a good hitter coming up. Let's
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just let's just get something positive happening. And that's what
the Raiders need. But when you look at Pete Carroll,
this is a guy who listen. I don't have access
to his bank account, but I think it's fair to
assume that he does not need any money. He has
been one of the highest paid coaches in the NFL
probably for close to a decade. And you know, reports
are he has been making fifteen to twenty million dollars
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his last several years in Seattle. He's been a millionaire
since early on in the USC days. I mean, this
guy has been printing cash, so he does not need
any money. This is not some golden parachute. He has
been actively trying to get jobs the Jets, the Bears.
I want to become a head coach. Guys like Pete
Carroll and we've all met them obviously, you know, different industry.
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He's the word retirement makes them cringe. The thought of
having nothing to do on a daily basis, that life
might as well end. He wants no part of that.
He wants to coach football. There have been reports for
the last several years if something ever were to happen
to Lincoln Riley and USC part ways him bounce, Pete
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Carroll would be all over that job. He wants to coach.
And listen, he's seventy three years old. On the surface,
like that's kind of crazy. He clearly is one of
the youngest seventy three year olds in the history of
the world. Like, if you've been around him, if you've
seen him out of practice, if you've you know, I've
been to pregames where he's on the field. He has
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a vibe of like a forty year old. He is
a young, young soul, and his energy you could argue
is unmatched. Definitely his chewing of gum. But like I
totally understand the Raiders, like, this is not about trying
to win the Super Bowl. This is not about trying
to become some like dominant team again. This is a
just like being a competitive football team, not being an embarrassment,
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not having to fire a coach because they have no
fucking clue what they're doing in the middle of the season.
They did that with Josh McDaniels a year and a
half ago. They probably could have done it this year
with Antonio Pierce Pete Carroll. Now, I don't know if
this is gonna go well or not. If you don't
have a quarterback, it's very difficult to coach football. It
is very difficult, I guess, not to coach football, but
to win in the NFL. Like Aaron Glenn, Pete Carroll,
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whoever tanks satan job if you don't have a quarterback
like you got no shot. I don't care if you're
Bill Walsh or I don't care if you're you know,
Jim tom Sula. You need that position solidify. You don't
need Patrick Mahomes, but you need someone credible there just
to move forward, and right now they don't have that,
so it's a difficult task. Pete Carroll doesn't care. You know,
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Pete Carroll would have taken any job. Pete Carroll I
think would take like a one year contract to coach football.
And I admire that because put yourself in his shoes.
If I told you right now, whatever you do for
a living, you're seventy three years old, you have an
unlimited amount of money in the bank to live, to
do nice things, to live like a king. I mean
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you have when you do things in life, money is
not a worry. Would you still be that aspirational and
that ambitious to keep wanting to do what you've been
doing when money's no longer an issue when you're in
your seventies. I don't think most people would. I know
most people would not. And then I think you get
to retirement, you're like, what the hell am I going
to do. I love golf. I can only play it
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a couple days in a row, Max, And I'm forty
years old, so I get where he's coming from. But like,
I don't like football as much as him. You don't
like football as much as him, Like, this guy's addicted.
And I think when you look at the Raiders, you're
getting a guy who just his passion. This isn't like
I want to be a head coach because it's cool,
you know, I want to be a head coach and
do everything like Bill Belichick did, like Josh McDaniels. You know,
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I think what the Raiders went through this last twelve
months is Mark Davis made the right decision on firing
Josh mc daniels. It was a joke. But then they
hired Antonio Pierce because Davante Adams and Max Crosby and
Josh Jacobs, you know, demanded it. Essentially. Then DeVante Adams
turned on Antonio Pierce said get me out of here.
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Josh Jacobs didn't even resign, and you can tell early on, like, yeah,
Max Crosby's not that into this dude anymore either. And
it just was an epic disaster, Like it was an embarrassment.
And I think the Patriots had a similar situation. Is
you know what Jrod Meils like, we just can't go
on like this. And I've seen it countless times. We
saw it with Urban Meyer, we saw it with Jim
Tom Sulla. Sometimes you see it and you're like, this
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this has to end. It's not even about wins and losses,
and you're not winning any games like this is this
is we might just fold as a franchise if we
continue with this. So you get a guy that, like, listen,
I have no clue how many games this team's gonna win.
I would venture to say that they're not gonna be
any good, but like, this guy gives you a fighting chance.
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I mean the last couple of years in Seattle, once
they traded Russell Wilson like they were sniffing the playoffs.
They were a seven seed two years ago when they
missed the playoffs. I think they went nine to eight
and they were right there till the bitter end. I
think they lost a game the end of the year
to Arizona. I don't even know if that game counted.
Actually they might have lost it with two weeks to go.
But regardless, is you get a guy that's just high energy,
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high effort, And I think when you look at Tom Brady,
who has a you know, hand in this is they're
just they're just trying to make progress. You know. Some
teams it's like, how do we jump take the next step?
Like that's what like Buffalo, the conversations have been having,
like that's Baltimore's conversation. Hell, that's Denver and the Chargers conversation.
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It's like, hey, Okay, we've made legitimate progress. How do
we go from point B to point F? You know,
how do we get competitive where we're like in the
final four of the AFC, where we're in the conference
championship game? What do we need to do to have
a chance to win the Super Bowl in the next
couple of years. The Raiders are just having conversations like
how do we get around like eight wins? How do
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we get where we can just be discussed as a
wild card team around Thanksgiving? And the bar is so
low for something I would put Jacksonville there, I'd put
the Jets there, I'd put the Saints there. The bar
is really really low. So progress is viewed completely different
than a lot of these other places, and you just
get a guy that knows what they're doing. You know,
That's the thing with some of these young coaches is
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they have no clue what they're doing when it comes
to being the head coach. How could they It's impossible now,
in fairness, most of us, when we start a job
or start anything, you don't know what you're doing and
you kind of figure it out as you go. It's
part of life, right. There was once a point in
time when Pete Carroll didn't know how to be a
head coach. But in twenty twenty five, the guy's been
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a head coach basically for thirty plus years. He's seventy three.
He's been a coach since, a head coach since his
mid forties. That's always been head man, starting ninety four.
Head man. That's what he knows how to do. He
knows how to handle. I say this, I use this example.
But like when a guy gets a DUI, when a
guys has a death in the family, when a guy
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has a devastating breakup or divorce, you name it. That
there is not when a guy fails a drug test,
when a dude gets into a fight in the meeting room,
when something happens with his assistant two assistant coaches. There
is nothing that can happen in an NFL building that
Pete Carroll has not seen. And listen, I'm not taking
shots because I totally understand hiring these two guys as well,
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but like Liam Cohen and Ben Johnson, there's no way,
there is absolutely no way that they have seen remotely
anything close to what Pete Carroll has seen. So he
can just handle that situation and not be overwhelmed. Right,
So I think about, like, I'm not a parent yet,
but a lot of my friends are. My brother is
when I am a parent, there are situations you freak
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out on right away and then you realize six months later,
a year later, two days later, wasn't that big a deal.
And that just what happens to new head coach, just
like oh my god, what do I do? And then
you look back it's like, OU's not that big a deal.
We'll handle it. And I think that's what the Raiders
were looking for to get out of this business of
a Josh McDaniels that fooled everybody, ran a scam, Like
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I could be a head coach. No, you can't, Like
you are as toxic of a candidate as there's ever
been to be a head coach that's proven. Get a
guy like Antonio Pierce. The players love him, well, actually
they didn't, like they pretend to do. They thought they did,
and then they realized they did not. So let's just
get a guy that it's not about all this other bullshit.
He can just get us going three or contract. It's
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not like he's in to be your coach for the
next ten years. I do think he's uniquely suited for
an older guy when it comes to energy, when it
comes to just his efforts. I don't think this is
a male in job. So listen, if I'm a Raider fan,
I would be at least just positively. At least this
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is a positive moment. At least for the last this week,
it's just been positive. Right. We hired John Spytek, a
guy that has been a right hand man to Jason
light who's buddies with Tom Brady not just because he
played with him, but because he worked with him in
Tampa Bay when they were good, and obviously he's been
a million others. He's worked for Andy Reid. Like, the
guy's just seen a lot of shit and then we
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hired Pete Carroll. It's like, okay, we just just move forward.
That is progress. When it comes to the Raiders on
the Liam Cohen thing, I'm not gonna break down. Obviously,
it's well reported Twitter videos. You can figure out all
the details of everything that's being said. I think, just
on its most basic level, here's what I will react to.
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They want to keep him, obviously, so I think in
a perfect world it's probably more complicated than just doing this.
They would have just fired Todd Bowles and kept Liam
Cohen as their head coach. I think they kind of
wanted to do that, not this year, but just maybe
next year or the previous or the upcoming year. So
within the next couple of years, Liam Cohen would be
the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Here's the problem.
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They're not ready to fire Todd Bulls clearly, so they
offer him, Hey, you're gonna be the highest paid coordinator
in the NFL. That sounds awesome. Four and a half
million dollars a year, three year contract, So we're talking
thirteen and a half million dollars, great shitload of money
to ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of Americans,
especially when it comes to a yearly salary that's a
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lot of coin. Then things change in Jacksonville, and it
was contingent on him not interviewing in jacksonvillell they fire
Trent Bulky. So now I don't have to work for
Trent Bulky and I can stay in the state of
Florida no state income tax. But you know a heavenly place.
If you make a lot of money, why could you
keep a lot of it. So it's like, well, Jacksonville
now is offering me a contract is well reported similar
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to Ben Johnson money, Well, Ben Johnson's not getting normal
first time head coaching cash. Reports are he's making between
twelve to thirteen million dollars. So put yourself in a situation.
It's like I could stay at this job and listen,
I'm not and doning if he doesn't call them, if
he's being shady about it. There's no handbook to handle situations.
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But I would say coaches, once you get to a
certain age, like it's black and white, just have some balls,
say hey, I'm actually doing this. I'm gonna reinterview if
because he wanted to have a contingency plan, if he
didn't get hired. He could still fall back to the
four and a half million dollars because they told him
you can't interview for four and a half million dollars.
Now does that hold up in court? Now? The reality
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is Liam Cohen gonna sue them, Like obviously not. But
it's like, hey, fuck you. The the the situation changed
and now I'm interested and you're offering thirteen million dollars. Well,
they're offering fifty to sixty million dollars and I no
longer have to answer to anybody. I'm the boss. So like,
things dramatically change, and is there a right and wrong
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way to handle things? Yeah, and listen, there's usually his side,
his side, and then the truth. But I can understand
Tampa Bay who's paying him foreign a half million dollars
the glaziers like we've went above and beyond give them
four and a half million dollars. Who gives a fuck?
These are all line items twenty twenty five. You're making
four hundred and fifty million dollars from the league. So if,
like the owners are mad, then it was a little shady. Like, yeah,
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business is shady. Sometimes you have to make tough decisions.
And the only person who truly cares about you is you,
Because if you hadn't been really good as an offensive coordinator,
they would have fired your ass without hesitation. Obviously, once
you prove you're good, you get more options. The glaziers
love making cash. Why can't Liam Cohen go seek out
a contract that's gonna pay him fifty sixty million dollars?
Is there? Should he have called and texted and kept
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everyone abreast with everything that was going on. Maybe, But like,
if you have the opportunity to make fifty or sixty
million dollars guaranteed, you're gonna probably do that over making
thirteen million dollars guaranteed. So I just think when you
look at it from a business standpoint, Now, if you
start lying about like his wife is on Twitter saying
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they were with his kid in the hospital, like I
don't know, I'm not gonna get into like you're making excuses,
like you're an eighteen year old trying to get out
of you know, turned in your homework here. But when
it comes to money, every single human involved, the owners,
the GM, the coach would take fifty or sixty million
dollars over thirteen million dollars if it's legal, you know,
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not selling drugs or something. But if it's legal, and
this is legal, and they're making him the head coach,
so I really don't see, regardless the road that it
took to get here, how it's that crazy. It's like, yeah,
you're four and a half million dollars, you want a
fucking cookie, sweet, great offer, awesome, I appreciate it. But
now I have a chance to be a head coach.
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They're gonna pay me eleven so you're paying me four
and a half. They're almost tripling it, and I no
longer have to answer to Todd Bowles or the GM.
I'm now the boss now. Whether that's going to work
or not, I got no clue. And I know a
lot of people on the internet have said he's done
similar things in different spots. Maybe he has. I'm not
standing up here for the character of the man. I
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don't know the guy. I don't care one way or
the other. But like everyone acting like this is the
craziest move ever is being disingenuous because most human beings
would accept triple the money to be the head coach
for a longer contract. I think I think Tampa wants
to get all this credit for offering him a huge
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number as an offensive coordinator. Well, that's awesome if he
doesn't have other options to be a head coach, especially
in the state right that, Like, what's your big benefit
being in Tampa. It's like, hey, four and a half
million dollars and we're no state income tax, so you're
gonna take a lot more than if you were the
OC at a lot of these other teams around the country. Okay, well,
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I'm staying in the state of Florida and set CON's
given me a four year guaranteed contract at twelve million
dollars a year. You do the math. It's a big difference.
That's that's a lot of money. Now, big picture, I'm
not acting like sometimes you got to be a man,
and anyone that had anyone when you grow up worth
their salt, teaches you listen. Some discussions are harder than others.
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And when you're breaking up with someone, when you're quitting
on someone, if you are gonna do it and listen,
never quit. Those are easy things to say when you're ten, twelve, thirteen.
Those are good lessons to teach. But there are times
in life where it's like you're gonna make a tough decision,
and you're gonna piss some people off. If you don't
piss some people off along the way, you know, you're
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probably not making a lot of progress, especially in big
money situation. It's part of life, and you gotta have
the balls to be like, Hey, I'm reinterviewing, So if
you're gonna take the money off the table, fucking sell
be it. But I'm doing this. And if you want
to ding them for anything, you didn't have the stones
to do that, like text Jason Light like hey, and
Todd Bowles, I'm going to Jacksonville. So if you want
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to pay me one and a half million dollars or
whatever I was actually making. If I don't get this job,
so be it. But I'm taking this interview now that
they fired Trent Balky because things dramatically changed. I think
you guys can understand that you both have been in
the league forever. You've seen it all. Now, he didn't
do that, So if you want to ding him on that, okay,
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Okay, let's dive into the mailbag at John middlecoff Instagram.
Firing those dms, get your question answer here on the show.
I'm gonna try to go wrap it to a lot
of questions. John New to the pod, What are your
plans this NFL offseason? You have been a content machine,
but after only discovering your stuff during the year, I'm
wondering what the off season is gonna look like. I
(21:14):
just don't think it's gonna look any different. We just
my mindset is. And really, I've done this now. I mean,
I've been doing this pod for five six years, but
I've been approaching it with the relentless vigor of daily
shows now for I don't know, a couple of years plus.
We just approach it like normal. I mean, I approach
(21:35):
it like a daily radio show, which you know, what
would have been in nineteen ninety six or two thousand
and seven. We just do. It was just a podcast
form obviously on video and audio, but we just go
every day. This is this is my life, this is
my job. This is how I feed my unborn children.
So I nothing changes. Luckily. You know it's a year
(21:55):
round sport. If you're new, I you know I'm a
golf junkie, so we do. I have a go Lope
podcast which comes on the feed once Super Bowl ends
and golf season gets going, gambling and just different stuff.
But that's more. That's my passion project. But this is
you know, football pays the Bills a right here, So yeah, no,
no stopping question for the pod. As a Pats fan,
(22:17):
who would you pick at four? Abdual Carter Will Campbell?
The Patriots offensive line is bottom of the barrel. David
Andrews isn't getting any younger, but we have so many needs.
I would say that a dual Carter. I think there's
a fifty to fifty chance that he goes number one. Overall,
I think that if the Titans can't trade that pick
and they are not enamored with either quarterback, especially now
(22:38):
that they got a new GM. You know, I think
adding Borgazi and Chad Brinker, who is I don't even
know what his really official title is, but he's like
the guy kind of above the GM. But I'm pretty
sure you know, Chad Brinker was in Green Bay from
nine to twenty two, So those guys have seen Patrick
(23:02):
Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. I just think if they if
they don't believe that either one of those quarterbacks is
gonna be a top five quarterback, I think they'll they're
passing on a quarterback, and that should be the right move.
Like I would not force a quarterback when you first
take over. No chance I would try to sign like
Sam Darnold or something. But I think there's a decent
(23:25):
chance that they don't draft a quarterback. Obviously, they would
love to trade back a couple spots and still get
Abdua Carter, But I don't think he's gonna be there
for yet four. I'd be very stunned if he was.
If he looks like the guy that we saw coming
down the stretch and me, he looks like Micah Parsons. Well,
if you compare him to Micah Parsons, guys like that
typically go pick one or two in the draft, not
(23:47):
pick eleven. Now, Michaeh was in a weird draft. He
had sat out the season after the COVID year or whatever.
But I think looking back, guys like him typically don't
make it till four. This draft isn't very good either,
And when I say that, I mean like it's not
loaded with a bunch of abdull carters like I think
(24:08):
Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter are reviewed easily as the
best players in this draft. Now, you asked about Will Campbell.
When I watch LSU, I didn't view Will Campbell with
some elite prospect. Obviously, he's a first round talent, but
there's a big difference of going pick like twenty and
pick four. If you're gonna take a tackle at pick four,
(24:29):
Gleane Johnson went pick four, it's gotta be pretty good.
I got my degree in advertising in PR and have
been pigeonholed into working at marketing firms my entire career.
Now I'm hoping to break into the sports world. Over
the last year, I've reached out to professionals in the
industry Detroit sports teams. Ideally, I like to work for
the Lions only one person replied and actually made the
(24:49):
time to connect with me, which I really appreciate. But
I'm discouraged by the lack of progress. I feel stuck
on how to get out of the agency setting and
into sports. I'm in my early thirties and don't really
want to go back to school and oh, this is
this Natalie and my husband owns a bar, and I'm
tied to the area. We can't move elsewhere. Is there
anything else I should be doing to try to get
(25:10):
a gig with the Lions? You know, it is hard,
especially it's one thing when you have a wide scope
and you can just attack every team and connect with
people on LinkedIn, and you know if you get if
you DM and message seventy five people and only five
get back to you, if two of them are real,
that's all you need. Right Any sales guy will tell
(25:30):
you that, I think you got to get if the lie,
it has to be the Lions, and that's what you
want to do. You got to get really aggressive. Yeah,
it's hard, Like you can't just show up at the
practice facility because I don't know the Lions specifically, but
like you know, the Eagles, the Raiders, the Niners, ones
that I've been around, even the Titans when I was there, Like,
(25:52):
you need, you need access to get even close to anybody,
So I would just be kind of relentless. And I
think some time when you're relentless that can stand out
even if they don't know anything about you. You're also young,
you know, early thirties. It's not if you google a
lot of people that are presidents or head marketing people
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for teams. They don't always start in sports. You just
gotta be I mean, I don't have a like a
playbook for you, but you just got to do everything
humanly possible within your means to try to get in
front of these people. Just graduated college and start a
pretty serious federal job in DC and it'll be the
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first quote unquote real job I had. Any advice to
climb in the ladder without becoming overly obsessive without my
professional life. Thanks again, this guy's on the comeup. You know,
it's hard. When I was young in my career, I
annoyed a lot of people. I do think there's a
balance of being super annoying and super aggressive. You know,
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even in twenty twenty five, I think you know you're
going I'm sure working in an office job and being
around people that are very powerful, I would just try
to be there before them and leave after them. And
sometimes you're just killing time. But early on in your life,
you don't have much going on. You're not married, you
don't have kids, you just don't have anything going on.
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Maybe you do, but I think most people fresh out
of college, you can put a disproportionate amount of time
if you're all in on moving up in an ambitious
person on doing that. So, I mean, I think one
thing that really helped me when I left cal Pauly
to go to Fresno State, Like I spent so many
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hours just with everybody in the building, like I worked,
I mean, and it didn't matter because I didn't want
I didn't have any money too, I didn't have anything
else to do. And it just dedicated myself to like
what do I have to do to move up in
this business? And so to me, time is a powerful
thing when you're young, because you can dedicate a lot
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of it to doing your job. And I would just
go above and beyond every task. That's the other thing,
like you're not gonna be I don't. You didn't tell
me what you're doing specifically, but whether you're working for
a football coach or whether you're working for a senator,
that they're not gonna ask you things. They're gonna change
the world. Right Like the football Pat Hill didn't look
at me like give me your top five players, we'll
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sign them all, but like, hey, we need breakfast right now.
Hey we need you know my car we're bringing in
this recruit or I'm just giving you examples this defensive
coordinator and interview. Can you take my car, get a
hummer and go pick them up at the airport? Hell yeah, coach,
do it? You just you say yes to everything, even
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things that sound pretty stupid when you're young. The best
part is you can do stupid things and they feel
cool looking back. I can't believe I did that. And
I'm not saying picking people at the airport, but just
other minute tasks. As a Niner fan, much like other
Niner fans, I'm excited about the news of Sala potentially
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coming back now that Cohen is headed to the Jags,
but I can't help to think that if Sla thrives
in SF next season, he would end up getting interviewed
for another head coaching spot. And will put the forty
nine Ers back in search of another DC. So my
question is, do you think the Kyle and John Lynch
will have a plan in place to promote someone from
within if Sala were to leave next season? I think
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you're getting ahead of yourself. I think they just need
a little like the Raiders, like we just need to
get settled in. If Sala is getting interviewed, like I
guess he'll get an interview In what world is Robert
sla viewed as some hot candidate? I just yeah, he's
a good defensive coordinator. He was completely over his head
as a head coach. Can we just be real about that?
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Nice guy, good guy, like probably a number two, you know.
Even if he's good at like we saw Cliff Kingsbury's
good at offense, in what world he's an n fell
head coach. I have a hard time seeing Robert Sawi
get a head coaching job next year unless the forty
nine Ers are the greatest defense since like the two
thousand Ravens, people are gonna hire Robert Saliby their head coach.
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I don't know, man, Why no discussion on TB twelve
and his conflict of interest between Fox and the Raiders.
Why not Belichick to coach Baltimore. It's close to his
hometown and he could amp up the defense. Thanks for
a shoutout, Golden Save. I'm working proposal inspired. I just
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really don't care. Like I mean, I'm just not as
obsessed with it as like Mike Florio. It is what
it is. It just it doesn't bother me. Conflict of
interest like you have the If the owners don't want it,
they'll cut them off. If they don't really care, they
won't really care. I just at this point in time,
I mean, my I doesn't like I don't spend one
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second thinking about it. The only time I think about
Tom brady situation is like when he's on my television.
I just don't think he's that good. He's just kind
of annoying. I don't know what else say. Belichick signed
his contract with the with North Carolina I think yesterday.
But a huge fan of the pod mailback dot. Do
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you think the Falcons, looking back on it, wished they
would have just hired Belichick? The question is would they
still ended up with Panix if they did hire Belichick.
I would guess they are happy to have a young
quarterback that looks special. So they probably are okay with
Raheem for now. I don't know. Yeah, they're in a
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rough spot. I just think that, Yeah, they're in a
weird spot. I think Rahim if they go under five
hundred next year, like he could be like two and done.
He got a lot of hype. They wanted him because
Rich McKay and their GM get to keep the job.
But they better make the playoffs next year. And making
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the playoffs and that division basically means win the division.
They better win the division next year because if they don't,
I think he would be major trouble. Do they regret
hiring Bill Belichick? Well, the GM doesn't. Rich McKay doesn't
because they would have got asked out. What I think
they regret is signing Kirk Cousins. I think the Bills
lose this weekend, and if they do, is it possible
for McVeigh to attempt to pivot to Josh Allen, a
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player who has given all he can to frankly a
perennial weaker slash top team roster and probably needs an
offensive coach. You mean, like he tries to get the
Bills job or tries to trade for Josh Allen. I'm
not quite sure what you're asking, but McVeigh is under
contract with the Rams. He's going nowhere. Josh Allen. The
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ownership with the Bills would sell the team before they
ever traded Josh Allen to the Rams. And if they
were like, let's just say recording this, I don't know,
thirty hours before the game. I would say. The only
thing that would be in doubt would if they got
blown out. Would McDermott get fired if he did. Sean
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mcvay's just not an option. Sean mcvay's not leaving LA
to move to Buffalo, even to coach Josh Allen. Zero chance.
Question for the mailbag two parts. As a Patriots fan,
now that we have our coaching coordinators, what do you
think the Patriots need to do in the off season
to make the playoffs next year? Is it possible for them?
Second question? I started folding seven months ago. I started folding.
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Any tips on how to start stop slicing, oh golfing
my driver? YouTube? Just type it into YouTube. You know
I'm not but charming here, So I would just type
whatever your issue is into YouTube and then go to
the range and try to fix it. Because unless I
saw you, and even if I saw you, I'm not
a golf teacher. I actually have no clue on any
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of that stuff. So YouTube is a great, great helping hand.
I think you guys need a lot of talent. I
mean you got your offensive line is a joke. Your
receiving course not very good, your offensive skill guys, and
explosive on offense is not very good. I think defensive defensively,
you're gonna be solid. I think signed some offensive lineman,
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draft some skill guys, and you'll be fine. You know,
I Vrabel's really good, and you have a good off season,
why can't if Drake may solid next year, I think
you can compete to win seven eight games. A lot
of people are hitting me up because I said the
wedding registry. This guy said, I got second marriage at
fifty three win went with no gifts. Please, your presence
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is our present. Yeah, it was out of my hands,
but I hear you. I'm right at the CUSP now.
Granted she's thirty two, so I'm sorry, John, I'm faded.
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But why is bnemy forced out of the league, Like
no one mentions him nothing. He has a guy behind
Mahomes lighting up the league and he never got a shot.
Like I heard, he's a hard ass, but like dudes,
one of the more successful offensive coordinators ever, Andy Reid
called plays in Kansas City, So I think that's part
of it. Like Eric Benemy, you know, Naggy and Viennemy
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now and then and Naggy now, like they get to
call plays Doug Peterson two a little intermediently intermittently. But
the offense is Andy Reid's baby, like that's his. So
it's not like Eric Benemy ran Patrick Mahomes in the offense. Again,
all my guys in Kansas City, and I know a
lot of them, they like him a lot. I just
I don't know. I don't have a great answer for you.
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I don't know specifically what happened in Ucla, but like
he just got fired in Ucla from a guy that
he coached twenty years ago in college, Like that's a
little weird. And last year in Washington, like he just
tried to copy Andy Reid of just passing all the
time when they had an awful offensive line and it
was a disaster. So, I I mean, everyone Kyle Shanahan
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had a bad year. So I don't know. I can't
tell you. Maybe he ends up getting a coaching job,
like as an assistant coach here soon. Question for the
bag the golf Bag been watching it for a long time,
trying to think of a question that no one really asks.
I used to golf competitively in high school and shortly
in college, but that was nearly twenty years ago. Life
got in the way. I stopped golfing for about ten
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to twelve years now. So much has changed since I played,
it's ridiculous. My question is what is the strongest part
of your current game? And have you ever gotten custom
fit clubs, irons or driver. Most of this tech didn't
exist when I played, and I'm interested if you have
done it and if it makes a difference in your game.
I would say that my current game I haven't played
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in probably almost two months now. I got probably like
five six years ago. This dude from Taylor Made followed
me on Twitter and so I DMed him asking if
he could hook me up. Well, we were just dming
back about football, and he gave me a code, so
I got fifty percent off irons. They weren't custom fitted,
but then I took them into like a club champion
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and they bent them for me. I think I bought
my woods at like the PJ Superstore. Honestly, part of
the reason I do golf content is just try to
get free shit. So hopefully that plays out. But my
current game, who knows I was thinking about. I'm recording
this on Friday morning. Mica hip balls this afternoon. But
you know I'm a decent striker of the ball pretty long, yeah, man,
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I just I've really gotten into just playing. I just
enjoy myself now. I'm a decent player. Like you know,
I can shoot high seventies, low eighties, but I just
don't take it as seriously as I used to. I
just want to do it. Get out of the house,
get some fresh air. Question for the mail back. I
don't know if you've answered something like this before, but
I'm wondering what games come to mind when thinking about
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the greatest games ever played. In your opinion, several factors
have come into play here, namely the stakes in hand,
the players involved, and most importantly, the overall quality of
play on both sides. My personal pick is Super Bowl
forty nine, Patson's Seahawks, biggest stage imaginable. Both teams were
proven winners, coaches and players were making constant adjustments all
game long. Both sides made incredible plays, and of course
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the interception really cemented the game. As an Ald timer,
I would put that really, really high. The game the
Pittsburgh Arizona Super Bowl, Kurt Warner, Roethlisberger, Tomlins Super Bowl
where almost said heinz Ward, but it was his name,
not Plaxkill Burris. He went to Ohio State. I don't
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know why my brain's not working this morning, but the
touchdown in the corner of the back corner of the
end zone that game stands out. I mean, there have
been some pretty epic championship games. I would say that
Bills the Bills Chiefs thirteen second game feels like it'd
be pretty up there. Now if your memory serves me correct,
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there wasn't that much defense there. Off the top of
my head, it's hard. I just think. I mean, we
could list a ton of different games anyone's in recent memory.
The Patriot Chiefs game. When Patrick mahomes first year is starting,
I want to hear your perspective about the top prospect
tight ends in this year's draft. I'm a Broncos fan
born and raised, and I would love the idea of
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Warren coming to Denver but fear he may not be
available at the time that we draft. Do you value
Loveland as a Day one draft pick and do you
think he would fit into Sean Payton's scheme. Honestly, I
haven't really watched him, just because Michigan was so bad
this year. They were just tough and offensively, what the
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hell you're getting out of it? So I'd have to
go back and kind of watch them. I don't have
a great feel for Loveland as a prospect. I have
to texting my buddies that go through that school. I'd
have to watch them on my own. I don't think
Tyler Warren. I think Tyler Warren ends up being picked
somewhere between ten to fifteen, you know, kind of in
the Brock Bowers range. Now he's a different player than Bowers,
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but I you know, in a draft that's not that great,
there's not a ton of quarterbacks. I think he I
think he goes high as like the forty nine ers
at eleven. Who knows, maybe he could go like pick
ten to eleven. So I hate to say I just
don't really have a take on love. One huge Packer
fan wanted to ask you a mail back question. What
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do you think the Packers need to do this offseason
to finally make and win a Super Bowl. I'm seeing
a lot of rumors that we might get DeVante or
t Higgins. Also, I heard we may trade for Max Crosby.
Do you think that would be possible? Yeah? I mean
I defense wasn't your issue. It really wasn't like your
defense played winning football against the Eagles. Honestly, your defense
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was much improved. It's really the quarterback. Now. I know
you got some question marks at the wide receiver. Those
guys didn't really break out, and you battle some injuries. Now,
Christian Watson's ACL is injured, you got second whatever concussion
for Dobbs, you had Jayden Reid hurt his shoulder. But offensively,
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I think you guys have enough pieces. I would just
keep dominating the line of scrimmage. Would I trade for
Max Crosby? I would highly think about it. And if
it was would I trade for Max Crosby if I
thought that the Detroit Lions were going to get him?
That might be the difference in me upping my trade value.
Now my trading two first round picks for Max Crosby
that it's a pretty risky move, but again I would
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think long and hard about it. My name's Anthony. I'm
a Charger fan from North Carolina. Still sad after the
disappointing playoff performance, but I can't help but be a
static about the future Greg Romans offensive scheme, one reliable
pass catcher in a shaky run game. Can't help but
think Herbert will win the MVP by playing in Super Bowls.
Several more pieces on offense? What do you think just
need to improve? Man, they gotta get some pieces that
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they need, a game changing offense weapon for him to
throw to with mccaukey, whether that's a tight end or
a wide receiver. And then draft or running back. Draft
a running back plug and play guy, and luckily this
draft is full of plug and play running backs. So
I think before we get ahead of Super Bowls like
this is a big off season for the Chargers. This
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is a really big off season for the Chargers. Vikings
fan hoping you can answer the question for the podcast,
what are your thoughts on the Vikings GM adof FUMENSA,
what grade would you give him on the drafts? His
first round picks are terrible. Has he improved, but his
free agency has been pretty good. Now, I would say
the best player in your team. He doesn't get credit
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for j just Jefferson was there when he inherited it,
but you know, he was a part of hiring Kevin O'Connell,
and like, I think it's been successful. You're gonna miss
on some draft picks, but you know, well, you know,
if he hits on JJ McCarthy, who cares about the
other first round picks? And you draft to Dallas Turner.
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So like this year's draft should be pretty big, meaning
those two guys, the two rookies. Now, I think the
decision that's going to define his GM career is what
he does this offseason and with how bad Sam Donald
was the last couple of games, you know, does he
resign him, does he let him walk? Do they go
to JJ? Like that's going to define him, not does
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he hit or miss a draft pick. A lot of
people miss draft picks. Howie Roseman took Jalen Rager over
Justin Jefferson. It happens. I don't get caught up on
an individual draft pick because you're not paid to pick
players in the draft. You're paid to run a team.
In two of his three years, they've won thirteen and
fourteen games. So it's like he's he's clearly good and smart.
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My question is this, It baffles me every NFL team
doesn't look at Green Bay and try to copy their
quarterback progression plan. Rogers staff for years behind far Love
sat behind Rogers. How far Love goes yet is yet
to be seen. But all these quarterback issues don't find
their guy in the draft and sit him no matter
what for a few years. I think it's easier said
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than done. You know, it's easy to sit a guy
when you have Brett Farth or Aaron Rodgers. It's harder
to sit a guy when Lamar Jackson's a bad example
because Lamar turned out to be a star. But like
Joe Flacco, it's like, yeah, well ben Shoe Flacco, I'm
putt Lamar Jackson. So usually Alex Smith, you know, Mahome's
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got to sat for a year. Alex Smith is having
the best year of his career and the Chiefs were
winning the division. Usually when you're sitting a guy. The
other thing is those two. Here's the unique part about
both those guys. Aaron Rodgers was picked twenty four. Jordan
Love was picked twenty seven, twenty nine, So it's like
usually the guys that sit, like you get to Jimmy
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Garoppolo picked in the second round. You know a lot
of times like why didn't you sit play? Rex White
drafted him third. Overall, my owner wanted to see him play.
So did the fans, and inference to the fans, it's like,
we suck. No one wants to watch this player. I
kind of signed with the fans that way. What were
the Patriots supposed to do this year? Just keep rolling
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out Jacoby Brissett. No, they had to put in Drake
May A big fan Broncos fans. So I'm in on
Knicks obviously, but I also love Pennix coming out, and
I think coaching is the most important thing for you
rookie young quarterback development, even above the town with o'conna
locked in with JJ Peyton with Nicks, Ben Johnson with
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Caleb Cliff, with Jayden Vrable with May and the flashes
Pennick showed in limited action. What chances do you think
the twenty four quarterback classico six for six. I think
it's impossible. I just think it's statistically impossible to go
six for six. I think we are guaranteed, guaranteed one
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of these players. I think if five of the six
got their fifth year option picked up, that'd be one
of the most insane things we've ever seen. I think
you could almost say I wouldn't put my life savings
on it. But the best case scenario is four of
the six guys get their fifth year option picked up,
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meaning they're gonna get second contracts with that team. The
other thing is you can't overreact off one year though,
like you just never know. Things change really quick. So
six for six to me feels like a just like
can't happen? Got drunk to night Penn State Notre Dame
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game after Drew through the terrible pick and cost us
both money. Do you think that now the transfer portal
and NL college quarterbacks aren't developed the same way, and
it's such a mystery on why and who can play
really on Sundays and who is just a liability for
money line wagers? Well, Drew Allard didn't transfer, you know,
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I think overall, yeah, because you know Tom Brady's been
hammering this home. Most quarterbacks, young quarterbacks don't get to
start right away aren't Caleb Williams usually sit for a
year maybe two. You're mad, you're pissed off, you think
you're better than the guy starting, but you kind of
learn a lot about yourself. It's the first time you've
ever struggled in life. Because if you're at a big
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time program, you've been, you know, the toast of the
town in high school. You are not just the best
player in your area, you're probably one of the best
players in you know, your state. You're the best looking
guy on campus, maybe even if you're ugly, because you're
the star quarterback. And then you get to college and
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it's like, damn, this sucks. Why we see so many
guys transfer. But Drew Aller didn't transfer from Penn State.
Drew Aller has been there the whole time. Now. He's
had some different coordinators, but that's that's normal in football.
He is a twenty year old kid, so but he's
been there three years. Like, I can't excuse him for
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the pick that he threw. That's just a poor decision.
And listen, quarterbacks make poor decisions, everyone has. Okay, last
question for the mail bag. If you're the New York Giants,
like I am fan, like, I am sadly, what do
you think they should do with the number three pick? Uh?
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I do think taking one of these quarterbacks is a
major risk, major risk. I think there are a lot
of people in the NFL that think both these quarterbacks
would have been like the fifth, sixth, seventh guys last year.
So it's it's just you take Shador Sanders they are
at three, or cam Ward if they struggle as a rookie,
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you're getting fired. Now what are your options? Like, are
you what are you gonna do? Sign trade for Kirk
Cousins or signed Kirk Cousins as a free agent. I
bet Dave Ball wants to do that. Now would I
get Kirk Cousins and draft Shador Sanders? Maybe that's the move.
But the Giants offensive line is not great, so so
like Cousins can move Sam Darnold, I don't know. I
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don't think there are great fixes at quarterback this offseason.
Aaron Rodgers if he's cut and available. I don't really
see a path for these quarterback list teams like the
Raiders the Giants, Like there's no quick fix. I don't
see a fix that all of a sudden it's like, oh,
the Giants won nine games. I don't really think that's
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on the table, so I think you just got to
get ready for another shitty year. Appreciate everyone listening, have
a great weekend. Audios the volume
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff here with a little weekend mail bag. You
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guys know the drill. We'd like to put these out,
give you something to listen to you while you're going
for a walk, hanging out. I just have so many
mail bag questions. I like getting through some of them
on this Saturday. I did a little bit on the
breaking news on Friday on Pete Carroll and seventy three
years old will be the head coach of the Raiders
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and Tom Brady and Mark Davis get their new head coach.
Who will team up? It looks like with John Spytech
and Liam Cohen. Drama in Tampa and Jacksonville. A couple
quick thoughts there as well, so we will discuss that
and other than that, not much going on, so make
sure you subscribe to the podcast. And let's rock and roll.
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We got to start with Pete Carroll. The Raiders go
from one of the craziest stretches in recent memory of
coaches John Gruden to Josh McDaniels to Antonio Peers to
Pete Carroll. That's that's gonna be hard to top of.
It hasn't been that long. I mean we're talking like
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three and a half years that they have had those
guys under contract as their head coaches. Big picture with
Pete Carroll, I admire this a lot about any human being,
and I give this advice to any young person looking
for direction in college or early on in their professional career.
Find what you love to do, and it makes life
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a lot easier no matter what you end up doing
for a profession, even if you are addicted to it
and love it and it's your passion, that there is
elements that it becomes work. So you might as well
do what you like to do. And I don't think
it's possible to like football. And I would lump three
guys into this mix. Bill Belichick is Pete Carroll's age
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as well, could not get an NFL job and just
went to North Carolina to coach football. Why because he
loves coaching football like it is deep deep into his soul.
I say this all the time, no matter how much
you think you like it as a fan, as someone
that follows your team, as someone that follows the league
or college football and watches a lot, you don't even
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come close to liking it as much is guys like
Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, I've been around Andy Reid. I
always laugh whenever I see Andy Reid might retire. Have
you met Andy Reid? I'll promise you this. As long
as he is standing up straight, he's going nowhere. You
can't like football more than these guys. Pete Carroll's a
good example. Takes the Raider job, which I totally understand
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the Raiders hiring him that they have just a disaster,
and they've been a disaster for twenty plus years. They
just need to get the train back on the tracks.
It's like when you're down seven to nothing in a
baseball game in the eighth inning, you're not looking for
a solo home run, like just let's just get on base,
Let's just try to start a rally. Let's just get
a little momentum. Let's all of a sudden, we got
two guys on with a good hitter coming up. Let's
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just let's just get something positive happening. And that's what
the Raiders need. But when you look at Pete Carroll,
this is a guy who listen. I don't have access
to his bank account, but I think it's fair to
assume that he does not need any money. He has
been one of the highest paid coaches in the NFL
probably for close to a decade. And you know, reports
are he has been making fifteen to twenty million dollars
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his last several years in Seattle. He's been a millionaire
since early on in the USC days. I mean, this
guy has been printing cash, so he does not need
any money. This is not some golden parachute. He has
been actively trying to get jobs the Jets, the Bears.
I want to become a head coach. Guys like Pete
Carroll and we've all met them obviously, you know, different industry.
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He's the word retirement makes them cringe. The thought of
having nothing to do on a daily basis, that life
might as well end. He wants no part of that.
He wants to coach football. There have been reports for
the last several years if something ever were to happen
to Lincoln Riley and USC part ways him bounce, Pete
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Carroll would be all over that job. He wants to coach.
And listen, he's seventy three years old. On the surface,
like that's kind of crazy. He clearly is one of
the youngest seventy three year olds in the history of
the world. Like, if you've been around him, if you've
seen him out of practice, if you've you know, I've
been to pregames where he's on the field. He has
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a vibe of like a forty year old. He is
a young, young soul, and his energy you could argue
is unmatched. Definitely his chewing of gum. But like I
totally understand the Raiders, like, this is not about trying
to win the Super Bowl. This is not about trying
to become some like dominant team again. This is a
just like being a competitive football team, not being an embarrassment,
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not having to fire a coach because they have no
fucking clue what they're doing in the middle of the season.
They did that with Josh McDaniels a year and a
half ago. They probably could have done it this year
with Antonio Pierce Pete Carroll. Now, I don't know if
this is gonna go well or not. If you don't
have a quarterback, it's very difficult to coach football. It
is very difficult, I guess, not to coach football, but
to win in the NFL. Like Aaron Glenn, Pete Carroll,
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whoever tanks satan job if you don't have a quarterback
like you got no shot. I don't care if you're
Bill Walsh or I don't care if you're you know,
Jim tom Sula. You need that position solidify. You don't
need Patrick Mahomes, but you need someone credible there just
to move forward, and right now they don't have that,
so it's a difficult task. Pete Carroll doesn't care. You know,
(05:49):
Pete Carroll would have taken any job. Pete Carroll I
think would take like a one year contract to coach football.
And I admire that because put yourself in his shoes.
If I told you right now, whatever you do for
a living, you're seventy three years old, you have an
unlimited amount of money in the bank to live, to
do nice things, to live like a king. I mean
(06:11):
you have when you do things in life, money is
not a worry. Would you still be that aspirational and
that ambitious to keep wanting to do what you've been
doing when money's no longer an issue when you're in
your seventies. I don't think most people would. I know
most people would not. And then I think you get
to retirement, you're like, what the hell am I going
to do. I love golf. I can only play it
(06:32):
a couple days in a row, Max, And I'm forty
years old, so I get where he's coming from. But like,
I don't like football as much as him. You don't
like football as much as him, Like, this guy's addicted.
And I think when you look at the Raiders, you're
getting a guy who just his passion. This isn't like
I want to be a head coach because it's cool,
you know, I want to be a head coach and
do everything like Bill Belichick did, like Josh McDaniels. You know,
(06:55):
I think what the Raiders went through this last twelve
months is Mark Davis made the right decision on firing
Josh mc daniels. It was a joke. But then they
hired Antonio Pierce because Davante Adams and Max Crosby and
Josh Jacobs, you know, demanded it. Essentially. Then DeVante Adams
turned on Antonio Pierce said get me out of here.
(07:15):
Josh Jacobs didn't even resign, and you can tell early on, like, yeah,
Max Crosby's not that into this dude anymore either. And
it just was an epic disaster, Like it was an embarrassment.
And I think the Patriots had a similar situation. Is
you know what Jrod Meils like, we just can't go
on like this. And I've seen it countless times. We
saw it with Urban Meyer, we saw it with Jim
Tom Sulla. Sometimes you see it and you're like, this
(07:36):
this has to end. It's not even about wins and losses,
and you're not winning any games like this is this
is we might just fold as a franchise if we
continue with this. So you get a guy that, like, listen,
I have no clue how many games this team's gonna win.
I would venture to say that they're not gonna be
any good, but like, this guy gives you a fighting chance.
(07:58):
I mean the last couple of years in Seattle, once
they traded Russell Wilson like they were sniffing the playoffs.
They were a seven seed two years ago when they
missed the playoffs. I think they went nine to eight
and they were right there till the bitter end. I
think they lost a game the end of the year
to Arizona. I don't even know if that game counted.
Actually they might have lost it with two weeks to go.
But regardless, is you get a guy that's just high energy,
(08:21):
high effort, And I think when you look at Tom Brady,
who has a you know, hand in this is they're
just they're just trying to make progress. You know. Some
teams it's like, how do we jump take the next step?
Like that's what like Buffalo, the conversations have been having,
like that's Baltimore's conversation. Hell, that's Denver and the Chargers conversation.
(08:41):
It's like, hey, Okay, we've made legitimate progress. How do
we go from point B to point F? You know,
how do we get competitive where we're like in the
final four of the AFC, where we're in the conference
championship game? What do we need to do to have
a chance to win the Super Bowl in the next
couple of years. The Raiders are just having conversations like
how do we get around like eight wins? How do
(09:03):
we get where we can just be discussed as a
wild card team around Thanksgiving? And the bar is so
low for something I would put Jacksonville there, I'd put
the Jets there, I'd put the Saints there. The bar
is really really low. So progress is viewed completely different
than a lot of these other places, and you just
get a guy that knows what they're doing. You know,
That's the thing with some of these young coaches is
(09:25):
they have no clue what they're doing when it comes
to being the head coach. How could they It's impossible now,
in fairness, most of us, when we start a job
or start anything, you don't know what you're doing and
you kind of figure it out as you go. It's
part of life, right. There was once a point in
time when Pete Carroll didn't know how to be a
head coach. But in twenty twenty five, the guy's been
(09:46):
a head coach basically for thirty plus years. He's seventy three.
He's been a coach since, a head coach since his
mid forties. That's always been head man, starting ninety four.
Head man. That's what he knows how to do. He
knows how to handle. I say this, I use this example.
But like when a guy gets a DUI, when a
guys has a death in the family, when a guy
(10:07):
has a devastating breakup or divorce, you name it. That
there is not when a guy fails a drug test,
when a dude gets into a fight in the meeting room,
when something happens with his assistant two assistant coaches. There
is nothing that can happen in an NFL building that
Pete Carroll has not seen. And listen, I'm not taking
shots because I totally understand hiring these two guys as well,
(10:30):
but like Liam Cohen and Ben Johnson, there's no way,
there is absolutely no way that they have seen remotely
anything close to what Pete Carroll has seen. So he
can just handle that situation and not be overwhelmed. Right,
So I think about, like, I'm not a parent yet,
but a lot of my friends are. My brother is
when I am a parent, there are situations you freak
(10:51):
out on right away and then you realize six months later,
a year later, two days later, wasn't that big a deal.
And that just what happens to new head coach, just
like oh my god, what do I do? And then
you look back it's like, OU's not that big a deal.
We'll handle it. And I think that's what the Raiders
were looking for to get out of this business of
a Josh McDaniels that fooled everybody, ran a scam, Like
(11:14):
I could be a head coach. No, you can't, Like
you are as toxic of a candidate as there's ever
been to be a head coach that's proven. Get a
guy like Antonio Pierce. The players love him, well, actually
they didn't, like they pretend to do. They thought they did,
and then they realized they did not. So let's just
get a guy that it's not about all this other bullshit.
He can just get us going three or contract. It's
(11:35):
not like he's in to be your coach for the
next ten years. I do think he's uniquely suited for
an older guy when it comes to energy, when it
comes to just his efforts. I don't think this is
a male in job. So listen, if I'm a Raider fan,
I would be at least just positively. At least this
(11:55):
is a positive moment. At least for the last this week,
it's just been positive. Right. We hired John Spytek, a
guy that has been a right hand man to Jason
light who's buddies with Tom Brady not just because he
played with him, but because he worked with him in
Tampa Bay when they were good, and obviously he's been
a million others. He's worked for Andy Reid. Like, the
guy's just seen a lot of shit and then we
(12:16):
hired Pete Carroll. It's like, okay, we just just move forward.
That is progress. When it comes to the Raiders on
the Liam Cohen thing, I'm not gonna break down. Obviously,
it's well reported Twitter videos. You can figure out all
the details of everything that's being said. I think, just
on its most basic level, here's what I will react to.
(12:40):
They want to keep him, obviously, so I think in
a perfect world it's probably more complicated than just doing this.
They would have just fired Todd Bowles and kept Liam
Cohen as their head coach. I think they kind of
wanted to do that, not this year, but just maybe
next year or the previous or the upcoming year. So
within the next couple of years, Liam Cohen would be
the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Here's the problem.
(13:03):
They're not ready to fire Todd Bulls clearly, so they
offer him, Hey, you're gonna be the highest paid coordinator
in the NFL. That sounds awesome. Four and a half
million dollars a year, three year contract, So we're talking
thirteen and a half million dollars, great shitload of money
to ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of Americans,
especially when it comes to a yearly salary that's a
(13:24):
lot of coin. Then things change in Jacksonville, and it
was contingent on him not interviewing in jacksonvillell they fire
Trent Bulky. So now I don't have to work for
Trent Bulky and I can stay in the state of
Florida no state income tax. But you know a heavenly place.
If you make a lot of money, why could you
keep a lot of it. So it's like, well, Jacksonville
now is offering me a contract is well reported similar
(13:46):
to Ben Johnson money, Well, Ben Johnson's not getting normal
first time head coaching cash. Reports are he's making between
twelve to thirteen million dollars. So put yourself in a situation.
It's like I could stay at this job and listen,
I'm not and doning if he doesn't call them, if
he's being shady about it. There's no handbook to handle situations.
(14:06):
But I would say coaches, once you get to a
certain age, like it's black and white, just have some balls,
say hey, I'm actually doing this. I'm gonna reinterview if
because he wanted to have a contingency plan, if he
didn't get hired. He could still fall back to the
four and a half million dollars because they told him
you can't interview for four and a half million dollars.
Now does that hold up in court? Now? The reality
(14:28):
is Liam Cohen gonna sue them, Like obviously not. But
it's like, hey, fuck you. The the the situation changed
and now I'm interested and you're offering thirteen million dollars. Well,
they're offering fifty to sixty million dollars and I no
longer have to answer to anybody. I'm the boss. So like,
things dramatically change, and is there a right and wrong
(14:50):
way to handle things? Yeah, and listen, there's usually his side,
his side, and then the truth. But I can understand
Tampa Bay who's paying him foreign a half million dollars
the glaziers like we've went above and beyond give them
four and a half million dollars. Who gives a fuck?
These are all line items twenty twenty five. You're making
four hundred and fifty million dollars from the league. So if,
like the owners are mad, then it was a little shady. Like, yeah,
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business is shady. Sometimes you have to make tough decisions.
And the only person who truly cares about you is you,
Because if you hadn't been really good as an offensive coordinator,
they would have fired your ass without hesitation. Obviously, once
you prove you're good, you get more options. The glaziers
love making cash. Why can't Liam Cohen go seek out
a contract that's gonna pay him fifty sixty million dollars?
Is there? Should he have called and texted and kept
(15:35):
everyone abreast with everything that was going on. Maybe, But like,
if you have the opportunity to make fifty or sixty
million dollars guaranteed, you're gonna probably do that over making
thirteen million dollars guaranteed. So I just think when you
look at it from a business standpoint, Now, if you
start lying about like his wife is on Twitter saying
(15:55):
they were with his kid in the hospital, like I
don't know, I'm not gonna get into like you're making excuses,
like you're an eighteen year old trying to get out
of you know, turned in your homework here. But when
it comes to money, every single human involved, the owners,
the GM, the coach would take fifty or sixty million
dollars over thirteen million dollars if it's legal, you know,
(16:17):
not selling drugs or something. But if it's legal, and
this is legal, and they're making him the head coach,
so I really don't see, regardless the road that it
took to get here, how it's that crazy. It's like, yeah,
you're four and a half million dollars, you want a
fucking cookie, sweet, great offer, awesome, I appreciate it. But
now I have a chance to be a head coach.
(16:38):
They're gonna pay me eleven so you're paying me four
and a half. They're almost tripling it, and I no
longer have to answer to Todd Bowles or the GM.
I'm now the boss now. Whether that's going to work
or not, I got no clue. And I know a
lot of people on the internet have said he's done
similar things in different spots. Maybe he has. I'm not
standing up here for the character of the man. I
(16:59):
don't know the guy. I don't care one way or
the other. But like everyone acting like this is the
craziest move ever is being disingenuous because most human beings
would accept triple the money to be the head coach
for a longer contract. I think I think Tampa wants
to get all this credit for offering him a huge
(17:22):
number as an offensive coordinator. Well, that's awesome if he
doesn't have other options to be a head coach, especially
in the state right that, Like, what's your big benefit
being in Tampa. It's like, hey, four and a half
million dollars and we're no state income tax, so you're
gonna take a lot more than if you were the
OC at a lot of these other teams around the country. Okay, well,
(17:42):
I'm staying in the state of Florida and set CON's
given me a four year guaranteed contract at twelve million
dollars a year. You do the math. It's a big difference.
That's that's a lot of money. Now, big picture, I'm
not acting like sometimes you got to be a man,
and anyone that had anyone when you grow up worth
their salt, teaches you listen. Some discussions are harder than others.
(18:05):
And when you're breaking up with someone, when you're quitting
on someone, if you are gonna do it and listen,
never quit. Those are easy things to say when you're ten, twelve, thirteen.
Those are good lessons to teach. But there are times
in life where it's like you're gonna make a tough decision,
and you're gonna piss some people off. If you don't
piss some people off along the way, you know, you're
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probably not making a lot of progress, especially in big
money situation. It's part of life, and you gotta have
the balls to be like, Hey, I'm reinterviewing, So if
you're gonna take the money off the table, fucking sell
be it. But I'm doing this. And if you want
to ding them for anything, you didn't have the stones
to do that, like text Jason Light like hey, and
Todd Bowles, I'm going to Jacksonville. So if you want
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to pay me one and a half million dollars or
whatever I was actually making. If I don't get this job,
so be it. But I'm taking this interview now that
they fired Trent Balky because things dramatically changed. I think
you guys can understand that you both have been in
the league forever. You've seen it all. Now, he didn't
do that, So if you want to ding him on that, okay,
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Okay, let's dive into the mailbag at John middlecoff Instagram.
Firing those dms, get your question answer here on the show.
I'm gonna try to go wrap it to a lot
of questions. John New to the pod, What are your
plans this NFL offseason? You have been a content machine,
but after only discovering your stuff during the year, I'm
wondering what the off season is gonna look like. I
(21:14):
just don't think it's gonna look any different. We just
my mindset is. And really, I've done this now. I mean,
I've been doing this pod for five six years, but
I've been approaching it with the relentless vigor of daily
shows now for I don't know, a couple of years plus.
We just approach it like normal. I mean, I approach
(21:35):
it like a daily radio show, which you know, what
would have been in nineteen ninety six or two thousand
and seven. We just do. It was just a podcast
form obviously on video and audio, but we just go
every day. This is this is my life, this is
my job. This is how I feed my unborn children.
So I nothing changes. Luckily. You know it's a year
(21:55):
round sport. If you're new, I you know I'm a
golf junkie, so we do. I have a go Lope
podcast which comes on the feed once Super Bowl ends
and golf season gets going, gambling and just different stuff.
But that's more. That's my passion project. But this is
you know, football pays the Bills a right here, So yeah, no,
no stopping question for the pod. As a Pats fan,
(22:17):
who would you pick at four? Abdual Carter Will Campbell?
The Patriots offensive line is bottom of the barrel. David
Andrews isn't getting any younger, but we have so many needs.
I would say that a dual Carter. I think there's
a fifty to fifty chance that he goes number one. Overall,
I think that if the Titans can't trade that pick
and they are not enamored with either quarterback, especially now
(22:38):
that they got a new GM. You know, I think
adding Borgazi and Chad Brinker, who is I don't even
know what his really official title is, but he's like
the guy kind of above the GM. But I'm pretty
sure you know, Chad Brinker was in Green Bay from
nine to twenty two, So those guys have seen Patrick
(23:02):
Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. I just think if they if
they don't believe that either one of those quarterbacks is
gonna be a top five quarterback, I think they'll they're
passing on a quarterback, and that should be the right move.
Like I would not force a quarterback when you first
take over. No chance I would try to sign like
Sam Darnold or something. But I think there's a decent
(23:25):
chance that they don't draft a quarterback. Obviously, they would
love to trade back a couple spots and still get
Abdua Carter, But I don't think he's gonna be there
for yet four. I'd be very stunned if he was.
If he looks like the guy that we saw coming
down the stretch and me, he looks like Micah Parsons. Well,
if you compare him to Micah Parsons, guys like that
typically go pick one or two in the draft, not
(23:47):
pick eleven. Now, Michaeh was in a weird draft. He
had sat out the season after the COVID year or whatever.
But I think looking back, guys like him typically don't
make it till four. This draft isn't very good either,
And when I say that, I mean like it's not
loaded with a bunch of abdull carters like I think
(24:08):
Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter are reviewed easily as the
best players in this draft. Now, you asked about Will Campbell.
When I watch LSU, I didn't view Will Campbell with
some elite prospect. Obviously, he's a first round talent, but
there's a big difference of going pick like twenty and
pick four. If you're gonna take a tackle at pick four,
(24:29):
Gleane Johnson went pick four, it's gotta be pretty good.
I got my degree in advertising in PR and have
been pigeonholed into working at marketing firms my entire career.
Now I'm hoping to break into the sports world. Over
the last year, I've reached out to professionals in the
industry Detroit sports teams. Ideally, I like to work for
the Lions only one person replied and actually made the
(24:49):
time to connect with me, which I really appreciate. But
I'm discouraged by the lack of progress. I feel stuck
on how to get out of the agency setting and
into sports. I'm in my early thirties and don't really
want to go back to school and oh, this is
this Natalie and my husband owns a bar, and I'm
tied to the area. We can't move elsewhere. Is there
anything else I should be doing to try to get
(25:10):
a gig with the Lions? You know, it is hard,
especially it's one thing when you have a wide scope
and you can just attack every team and connect with
people on LinkedIn, and you know if you get if
you DM and message seventy five people and only five
get back to you, if two of them are real,
that's all you need. Right Any sales guy will tell
(25:30):
you that, I think you got to get if the lie,
it has to be the Lions, and that's what you
want to do. You got to get really aggressive. Yeah,
it's hard, Like you can't just show up at the
practice facility because I don't know the Lions specifically, but
like you know, the Eagles, the Raiders, the Niners, ones
that I've been around, even the Titans when I was there, Like,
(25:52):
you need, you need access to get even close to anybody,
So I would just be kind of relentless. And I
think some time when you're relentless that can stand out
even if they don't know anything about you. You're also young,
you know, early thirties. It's not if you google a
lot of people that are presidents or head marketing people
(26:14):
for teams. They don't always start in sports. You just
gotta be I mean, I don't have a like a
playbook for you, but you just got to do everything
humanly possible within your means to try to get in
front of these people. Just graduated college and start a
pretty serious federal job in DC and it'll be the
(26:38):
first quote unquote real job I had. Any advice to
climb in the ladder without becoming overly obsessive without my
professional life. Thanks again, this guy's on the comeup. You know,
it's hard. When I was young in my career, I
annoyed a lot of people. I do think there's a
balance of being super annoying and super aggressive. You know,
(27:00):
even in twenty twenty five, I think you know you're
going I'm sure working in an office job and being
around people that are very powerful, I would just try
to be there before them and leave after them. And
sometimes you're just killing time. But early on in your life,
you don't have much going on. You're not married, you
don't have kids, you just don't have anything going on.
(27:22):
Maybe you do, but I think most people fresh out
of college, you can put a disproportionate amount of time
if you're all in on moving up in an ambitious
person on doing that. So, I mean, I think one
thing that really helped me when I left cal Pauly
to go to Fresno State, Like I spent so many
(27:43):
hours just with everybody in the building, like I worked,
I mean, and it didn't matter because I didn't want
I didn't have any money too, I didn't have anything
else to do. And it just dedicated myself to like
what do I have to do to move up in
this business? And so to me, time is a powerful
thing when you're young, because you can dedicate a lot
(28:04):
of it to doing your job. And I would just
go above and beyond every task. That's the other thing,
like you're not gonna be I don't. You didn't tell
me what you're doing specifically, but whether you're working for
a football coach or whether you're working for a senator,
that they're not gonna ask you things. They're gonna change
the world. Right Like the football Pat Hill didn't look
at me like give me your top five players, we'll
(28:26):
sign them all, but like, hey, we need breakfast right now.
Hey we need you know my car we're bringing in
this recruit or I'm just giving you examples this defensive
coordinator and interview. Can you take my car, get a
hummer and go pick them up at the airport? Hell yeah, coach,
do it? You just you say yes to everything, even
(28:47):
things that sound pretty stupid when you're young. The best
part is you can do stupid things and they feel
cool looking back. I can't believe I did that. And
I'm not saying picking people at the airport, but just
other minute tasks. As a Niner fan, much like other
Niner fans, I'm excited about the news of Sala potentially
(29:07):
coming back now that Cohen is headed to the Jags,
but I can't help to think that if Sla thrives
in SF next season, he would end up getting interviewed
for another head coaching spot. And will put the forty
nine Ers back in search of another DC. So my
question is, do you think the Kyle and John Lynch
will have a plan in place to promote someone from
within if Sala were to leave next season? I think
(29:30):
you're getting ahead of yourself. I think they just need
a little like the Raiders, like we just need to
get settled in. If Sala is getting interviewed, like I
guess he'll get an interview In what world is Robert
sla viewed as some hot candidate? I just yeah, he's
a good defensive coordinator. He was completely over his head
as a head coach. Can we just be real about that?
(29:51):
Nice guy, good guy, like probably a number two, you know.
Even if he's good at like we saw Cliff Kingsbury's
good at offense, in what world he's an n fell
head coach. I have a hard time seeing Robert Sawi
get a head coaching job next year unless the forty
nine Ers are the greatest defense since like the two
thousand Ravens, people are gonna hire Robert Saliby their head coach.
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I don't know, man, Why no discussion on TB twelve
and his conflict of interest between Fox and the Raiders.
Why not Belichick to coach Baltimore. It's close to his
hometown and he could amp up the defense. Thanks for
a shoutout, Golden Save. I'm working proposal inspired. I just
(30:37):
really don't care. Like I mean, I'm just not as
obsessed with it as like Mike Florio. It is what
it is. It just it doesn't bother me. Conflict of
interest like you have the If the owners don't want it,
they'll cut them off. If they don't really care, they
won't really care. I just at this point in time,
I mean, my I doesn't like I don't spend one
(31:00):
second thinking about it. The only time I think about
Tom brady situation is like when he's on my television.
I just don't think he's that good. He's just kind
of annoying. I don't know what else say. Belichick signed
his contract with the with North Carolina I think yesterday.
But a huge fan of the pod mailback dot. Do
(31:23):
you think the Falcons, looking back on it, wished they
would have just hired Belichick? The question is would they
still ended up with Panix if they did hire Belichick.
I would guess they are happy to have a young
quarterback that looks special. So they probably are okay with
Raheem for now. I don't know. Yeah, they're in a
(31:45):
rough spot. I just think that, Yeah, they're in a
weird spot. I think Rahim if they go under five
hundred next year, like he could be like two and done.
He got a lot of hype. They wanted him because
Rich McKay and their GM get to keep the job.
But they better make the playoffs next year. And making
(32:09):
the playoffs and that division basically means win the division.
They better win the division next year because if they don't,
I think he would be major trouble. Do they regret
hiring Bill Belichick? Well, the GM doesn't. Rich McKay doesn't
because they would have got asked out. What I think
they regret is signing Kirk Cousins. I think the Bills
lose this weekend, and if they do, is it possible
for McVeigh to attempt to pivot to Josh Allen, a
(32:31):
player who has given all he can to frankly a
perennial weaker slash top team roster and probably needs an
offensive coach. You mean, like he tries to get the
Bills job or tries to trade for Josh Allen. I'm
not quite sure what you're asking, but McVeigh is under
contract with the Rams. He's going nowhere. Josh Allen. The
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ownership with the Bills would sell the team before they
ever traded Josh Allen to the Rams. And if they
were like, let's just say recording this, I don't know,
thirty hours before the game. I would say. The only
thing that would be in doubt would if they got
blown out. Would McDermott get fired if he did. Sean
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mcvay's just not an option. Sean mcvay's not leaving LA
to move to Buffalo, even to coach Josh Allen. Zero chance.
Question for the mailbag two parts. As a Patriots fan,
now that we have our coaching coordinators, what do you
think the Patriots need to do in the off season
to make the playoffs next year? Is it possible for them?
Second question? I started folding seven months ago. I started folding.
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Any tips on how to start stop slicing, oh golfing
my driver? YouTube? Just type it into YouTube. You know
I'm not but charming here, So I would just type
whatever your issue is into YouTube and then go to
the range and try to fix it. Because unless I
saw you, and even if I saw you, I'm not
a golf teacher. I actually have no clue on any
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of that stuff. So YouTube is a great, great helping hand.
I think you guys need a lot of talent. I
mean you got your offensive line is a joke. Your
receiving course not very good, your offensive skill guys, and
explosive on offense is not very good. I think defensive defensively,
you're gonna be solid. I think signed some offensive lineman,
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draft some skill guys, and you'll be fine. You know,
I Vrabel's really good, and you have a good off season,
why can't if Drake may solid next year, I think
you can compete to win seven eight games. A lot
of people are hitting me up because I said the
wedding registry. This guy said, I got second marriage at
fifty three win went with no gifts. Please, your presence
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is our present. Yeah, it was out of my hands,
but I hear you. I'm right at the CUSP now.
Granted she's thirty two, so I'm sorry, John, I'm faded.
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But why is bnemy forced out of the league, Like
no one mentions him nothing. He has a guy behind
Mahomes lighting up the league and he never got a shot.
Like I heard, he's a hard ass, but like dudes,
one of the more successful offensive coordinators ever, Andy Reid
called plays in Kansas City, So I think that's part
of it. Like Eric Benemy, you know, Naggy and Viennemy
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now and then and Naggy now, like they get to
call plays Doug Peterson two a little intermediently intermittently. But
the offense is Andy Reid's baby, like that's his. So
it's not like Eric Benemy ran Patrick Mahomes in the offense. Again,
all my guys in Kansas City, and I know a
lot of them, they like him a lot. I just
I don't know. I don't have a great answer for you.
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I don't know specifically what happened in Ucla, but like
he just got fired in Ucla from a guy that
he coached twenty years ago in college, Like that's a
little weird. And last year in Washington, like he just
tried to copy Andy Reid of just passing all the
time when they had an awful offensive line and it
was a disaster. So, I I mean, everyone Kyle Shanahan
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had a bad year. So I don't know. I can't
tell you. Maybe he ends up getting a coaching job,
like as an assistant coach here soon. Question for the
bag the golf Bag been watching it for a long time,
trying to think of a question that no one really asks.
I used to golf competitively in high school and shortly
in college, but that was nearly twenty years ago. Life
got in the way. I stopped golfing for about ten
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to twelve years now. So much has changed since I played,
it's ridiculous. My question is what is the strongest part
of your current game? And have you ever gotten custom
fit clubs, irons or driver. Most of this tech didn't
exist when I played, and I'm interested if you have
done it and if it makes a difference in your game.
I would say that my current game I haven't played
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in probably almost two months now. I got probably like
five six years ago. This dude from Taylor Made followed
me on Twitter and so I DMed him asking if
he could hook me up. Well, we were just dming
back about football, and he gave me a code, so
I got fifty percent off irons. They weren't custom fitted,
but then I took them into like a club champion
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and they bent them for me. I think I bought
my woods at like the PJ Superstore. Honestly, part of
the reason I do golf content is just try to
get free shit. So hopefully that plays out. But my
current game, who knows I was thinking about. I'm recording
this on Friday morning. Mica hip balls this afternoon. But
you know I'm a decent striker of the ball pretty long, yeah, man,
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I just I've really gotten into just playing. I just
enjoy myself now. I'm a decent player. Like you know,
I can shoot high seventies, low eighties, but I just
don't take it as seriously as I used to. I
just want to do it. Get out of the house,
get some fresh air. Question for the mail back. I
don't know if you've answered something like this before, but
I'm wondering what games come to mind when thinking about
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the greatest games ever played. In your opinion, several factors
have come into play here, namely the stakes in hand,
the players involved, and most importantly, the overall quality of
play on both sides. My personal pick is Super Bowl
forty nine, Patson's Seahawks, biggest stage imaginable. Both teams were
proven winners, coaches and players were making constant adjustments all
game long. Both sides made incredible plays, and of course
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the interception really cemented the game. As an Ald timer,
I would put that really, really high. The game the
Pittsburgh Arizona Super Bowl, Kurt Warner, Roethlisberger, Tomlins Super Bowl
where almost said heinz Ward, but it was his name,
not Plaxkill Burris. He went to Ohio State. I don't
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know why my brain's not working this morning, but the
touchdown in the corner of the back corner of the
end zone that game stands out. I mean, there have
been some pretty epic championship games. I would say that
Bills the Bills Chiefs thirteen second game feels like it'd
be pretty up there. Now if your memory serves me correct,
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there wasn't that much defense there. Off the top of
my head, it's hard. I just think. I mean, we
could list a ton of different games anyone's in recent memory.
The Patriot Chiefs game. When Patrick mahomes first year is starting,
I want to hear your perspective about the top prospect
tight ends in this year's draft. I'm a Broncos fan
born and raised, and I would love the idea of
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Warren coming to Denver but fear he may not be
available at the time that we draft. Do you value
Loveland as a Day one draft pick and do you
think he would fit into Sean Payton's scheme. Honestly, I
haven't really watched him, just because Michigan was so bad
this year. They were just tough and offensively, what the
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hell you're getting out of it? So I'd have to
go back and kind of watch them. I don't have
a great feel for Loveland as a prospect. I have
to texting my buddies that go through that school. I'd
have to watch them on my own. I don't think
Tyler Warren. I think Tyler Warren ends up being picked
somewhere between ten to fifteen, you know, kind of in
the Brock Bowers range. Now he's a different player than Bowers,
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but I you know, in a draft that's not that great,
there's not a ton of quarterbacks. I think he I
think he goes high as like the forty nine ers
at eleven. Who knows, maybe he could go like pick
ten to eleven. So I hate to say I just
don't really have a take on love. One huge Packer
fan wanted to ask you a mail back question. What
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do you think the Packers need to do this offseason
to finally make and win a Super Bowl. I'm seeing
a lot of rumors that we might get DeVante or
t Higgins. Also, I heard we may trade for Max Crosby.
Do you think that would be possible? Yeah? I mean
I defense wasn't your issue. It really wasn't like your
defense played winning football against the Eagles. Honestly, your defense
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was much improved. It's really the quarterback. Now. I know
you got some question marks at the wide receiver. Those
guys didn't really break out, and you battle some injuries. Now,
Christian Watson's ACL is injured, you got second whatever concussion
for Dobbs, you had Jayden Reid hurt his shoulder. But offensively,
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I think you guys have enough pieces. I would just
keep dominating the line of scrimmage. Would I trade for
Max Crosby? I would highly think about it. And if
it was would I trade for Max Crosby if I
thought that the Detroit Lions were going to get him?
That might be the difference in me upping my trade value.
Now my trading two first round picks for Max Crosby
that it's a pretty risky move, but again I would
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think long and hard about it. My name's Anthony. I'm
a Charger fan from North Carolina. Still sad after the
disappointing playoff performance, but I can't help but be a
static about the future Greg Romans offensive scheme, one reliable
pass catcher in a shaky run game. Can't help but
think Herbert will win the MVP by playing in Super Bowls.
Several more pieces on offense? What do you think just
need to improve? Man, they gotta get some pieces that
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they need, a game changing offense weapon for him to
throw to with mccaukey, whether that's a tight end or
a wide receiver. And then draft or running back. Draft
a running back plug and play guy, and luckily this
draft is full of plug and play running backs. So
I think before we get ahead of Super Bowls like
this is a big off season for the Chargers. This
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is a really big off season for the Chargers. Vikings
fan hoping you can answer the question for the podcast,
what are your thoughts on the Vikings GM adof FUMENSA,
what grade would you give him on the drafts? His
first round picks are terrible. Has he improved, but his
free agency has been pretty good. Now, I would say
the best player in your team. He doesn't get credit
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for j just Jefferson was there when he inherited it,
but you know, he was a part of hiring Kevin O'Connell,
and like, I think it's been successful. You're gonna miss
on some draft picks, but you know, well, you know,
if he hits on JJ McCarthy, who cares about the
other first round picks? And you draft to Dallas Turner.
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So like this year's draft should be pretty big, meaning
those two guys, the two rookies. Now, I think the
decision that's going to define his GM career is what
he does this offseason and with how bad Sam Donald
was the last couple of games, you know, does he
resign him, does he let him walk? Do they go
to JJ? Like that's going to define him, not does
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he hit or miss a draft pick. A lot of
people miss draft picks. Howie Roseman took Jalen Rager over
Justin Jefferson. It happens. I don't get caught up on
an individual draft pick because you're not paid to pick
players in the draft. You're paid to run a team.
In two of his three years, they've won thirteen and
fourteen games. So it's like he's he's clearly good and smart.
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My question is this, It baffles me every NFL team
doesn't look at Green Bay and try to copy their
quarterback progression plan. Rogers staff for years behind far Love
sat behind Rogers. How far Love goes yet is yet
to be seen. But all these quarterback issues don't find
their guy in the draft and sit him no matter
what for a few years. I think it's easier said
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than done. You know, it's easy to sit a guy
when you have Brett Farth or Aaron Rodgers. It's harder
to sit a guy when Lamar Jackson's a bad example
because Lamar turned out to be a star. But like
Joe Flacco, it's like, yeah, well ben Shoe Flacco, I'm
putt Lamar Jackson. So usually Alex Smith, you know, Mahome's
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got to sat for a year. Alex Smith is having
the best year of his career and the Chiefs were
winning the division. Usually when you're sitting a guy. The
other thing is those two. Here's the unique part about
both those guys. Aaron Rodgers was picked twenty four. Jordan
Love was picked twenty seven, twenty nine, So it's like
usually the guys that sit, like you get to Jimmy
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Garoppolo picked in the second round. You know a lot
of times like why didn't you sit play? Rex White
drafted him third. Overall, my owner wanted to see him play.
So did the fans, and inference to the fans, it's like,
we suck. No one wants to watch this player. I
kind of signed with the fans that way. What were
the Patriots supposed to do this year? Just keep rolling
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out Jacoby Brissett. No, they had to put in Drake
May A big fan Broncos fans. So I'm in on
Knicks obviously, but I also love Pennix coming out, and
I think coaching is the most important thing for you
rookie young quarterback development, even above the town with o'conna
locked in with JJ Peyton with Nicks, Ben Johnson with
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Caleb Cliff, with Jayden Vrable with May and the flashes
Pennick showed in limited action. What chances do you think
the twenty four quarterback classico six for six. I think
it's impossible. I just think it's statistically impossible to go
six for six. I think we are guaranteed, guaranteed one
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of these players. I think if five of the six
got their fifth year option picked up, that'd be one
of the most insane things we've ever seen. I think
you could almost say I wouldn't put my life savings
on it. But the best case scenario is four of
the six guys get their fifth year option picked up,
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meaning they're gonna get second contracts with that team. The
other thing is you can't overreact off one year though,
like you just never know. Things change really quick. So
six for six to me feels like a just like
can't happen? Got drunk to night Penn State Notre Dame
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game after Drew through the terrible pick and cost us
both money. Do you think that now the transfer portal
and NL college quarterbacks aren't developed the same way, and
it's such a mystery on why and who can play
really on Sundays and who is just a liability for
money line wagers? Well, Drew Allard didn't transfer, you know,
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I think overall, yeah, because you know Tom Brady's been
hammering this home. Most quarterbacks, young quarterbacks don't get to
start right away aren't Caleb Williams usually sit for a
year maybe two. You're mad, you're pissed off, you think
you're better than the guy starting, but you kind of
learn a lot about yourself. It's the first time you've
ever struggled in life. Because if you're at a big
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time program, you've been, you know, the toast of the
town in high school. You are not just the best
player in your area, you're probably one of the best
players in you know, your state. You're the best looking
guy on campus, maybe even if you're ugly, because you're
the star quarterback. And then you get to college and
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it's like, damn, this sucks. Why we see so many
guys transfer. But Drew Aller didn't transfer from Penn State.
Drew Aller has been there the whole time. Now. He's
had some different coordinators, but that's that's normal in football.
He is a twenty year old kid, so but he's
been there three years. Like, I can't excuse him for
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the pick that he threw. That's just a poor decision.
And listen, quarterbacks make poor decisions, everyone has. Okay, last
question for the mail bag. If you're the New York Giants,
like I am fan, like, I am sadly, what do
you think they should do with the number three pick? Uh?
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I do think taking one of these quarterbacks is a
major risk, major risk. I think there are a lot
of people in the NFL that think both these quarterbacks
would have been like the fifth, sixth, seventh guys last year.
So it's it's just you take Shador Sanders they are
at three, or cam Ward if they struggle as a rookie,
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you're getting fired. Now what are your options? Like, are
you what are you gonna do? Sign trade for Kirk
Cousins or signed Kirk Cousins as a free agent. I
bet Dave Ball wants to do that. Now would I
get Kirk Cousins and draft Shador Sanders? Maybe that's the move.
But the Giants offensive line is not great, so so
like Cousins can move Sam Darnold, I don't know. I
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don't think there are great fixes at quarterback this offseason.
Aaron Rodgers if he's cut and available. I don't really
see a path for these quarterback list teams like the
Raiders the Giants, Like there's no quick fix. I don't
see a fix that all of a sudden it's like, oh,
the Giants won nine games. I don't really think that's
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on the table, so I think you just got to
get ready for another shitty year. Appreciate everyone listening, have
a great weekend. Audios the volume
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