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five Minutes Out or Lass urban Meyer Last hour on
Ohio State, Notre Dame, Riley Leonhard I mean Josh Allen,
I mean Riley Leonhard leading No. Dame to the National
Championship game. Jmak, we are lucky. I said, I was
talking to my wife yesterday and I said, we have
three football games left professionally and one in college, and
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then I'm going back to hockey.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Scores.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So it's got a little emotional Yeah, I'm sitting there.
I gotta be honest. In our lives, there's six months
of the year that we can't wait to get to work.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
A little melancholy Monday, Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I will
say four quarterbacks left in the NFL. Did you see
what's similar among Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, and
Patrick Mahomes. They're all mobile, all mobile quarterbacks. And we
see one tonight in Riley Leonard. Let's see if he
because Will Howard, he could run, but he's on mobile. Yeah,
let's see if Riley Leonard could pull off some magic
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filling the Irish tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, luck of the Irish.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm not but I think they have better special teams,
the better quarterback, I would say, the better coach, and
the defenses at least as good as Ohio State. But
the Buckeye's offense is a different level. And you get
into these, you know, these three and a half four
hour games, somebody's gonna pop. It's just hard to suppress. Now,
Michigan did it because I think you know, they got
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into Ohio State's head.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
How much did that?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Was the rivalry though Colin.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I think it was a lot of rivalry, but I
remember you're the big dog favorite.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I watched.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I watched the Eagles yesterday almost lose to the Rams
if not for Jalen Carter. So it's like and I
mean I watched Washington, Hammere, Detroit. Sometimes going in as
a favorite, you get a little tight if you fall behind.
Here we do Monday. We call it Colin Wright, Colin wrong,
plenty of both. Let's fire away where Colin was right
be saying for weeks the Bills this is the real deal.
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I think they should be favored over Buffalo Kansas City.
They're not, but they've created balance. They're not as reliant
on Josh Allen. The front office is excellent. I think
mcdermot's evolved as a head coach. They moved off a
star receiver like Kansas City, and they've become more complete
first team ever thirty plus passing and rushing touchdowns. I
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like everything about Buffalo. Yeah, I wish their defense was
as good as the Eagles and the Chiefs. It's not,
but I think offensively, you go to the last several
Super Bowls, it's the offense making a play, regardless of
how good the opposing defense is I like the Bills
over Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Nick SARIANI, he's in his second NFC championship. I don't
have to love his methods. But he's loud, Philly's loud.
He's emotional, Philly's emotional. It's just different. It's been a
rocky flight. But I will say this part of coaching
is getting your guys and your star players to rise
to the moment. And he does it, and I just
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think it works. He's fifty two and twenty three. It's
a hard city to coach in. Maybe Doug Peterson, who
won a Super Bowl, was too chill. Maybe Chip Kelly
was a bit too emotionally remote. Whatever it is, he
feels like a fan coaching the team. I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It works where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, my number one preseason surprise team to make the
playoffs was the Washington Commanders. Colin, there's too much change. Yeah,
but when all the other people are bad and all
the new people are good, who cares. I love the staff,
the GM, the coordinator. One host in America had the
courage to say, yeah, I think this twenty year tire
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fire is going to make the playoffs. It was me
a little boy with big dreams, and here's Washington in
the NFC championship. Good for them.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I'm a Jared Goff loyalist.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That was ugly.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Three picks lost to fumble.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
It was just ugly.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I got out played by a rookie, a great rookie.
But when they had Jameis Williams throwing it the wide
receiver from Alabama, when he was throwing a pass, that
felt it almost a message like, you know, want Jared
Goff throwing the ball because when you do those you know, reverses,
those receivers, they want to throw the ball. They're not
gonna They're not gonna tuck it. They're gonna throw the ball.
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So listen, Sean McVay moved off golf. I don't think
they're going to be moving off on him now. But
you couldn't watch that game as a pocket quarterback in
wonder what's the offseason going to be like, second, third,
fourth round on a pretty stacked roster. I think they'll
roll the dice now, Riley Leonard, they'll be shocked. Where
Colin was right, Kansas City's not lucky. I've been hearing
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this all year. They're circumstantially the best team in football,
best coach, best defensive coordinator, best quarterback. Yes, Mahomes can
manipulate the officials, but what do you know, Travis Kelcey.
We say this all the time. It's like Gronk. You
go to the NBA playoffs, the NFL playoffs, there's a
red light that goes on for the great ones, and
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here's Travis Kelcey seventy percent of the offense. So listen,
eight straight games without a turnover. I mean, just say
that out loud. In the NFL, the Chiefs have played
eight straight games without a turnover. That to me is
not luck.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I said Mike McCarthy as the leverage, he should ask
for the moon against Dallas. He'll have a market and
all of it's been true. He now I believe could
be the favorite to get the Chicago Bears job. And
here's the thing about Mike McCarthy. Since he arrived in Dallas,
only the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen have a more
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productive offense. He won with FARV, an old grumpy Farv.
He won with Aaron, He won with Dak He wins
with Cooper Rush, he won some games with Andy Galton.
I believed it was a regressing franchise and he is
still a marketable coach. We were right on Mike McCarthy,
who now is interviewing for other jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know, I love Sam Darnold, but those last couple
of games sixty six passer rating were not ideal. Yes,
I had him receiving MVP votes in week fourteen and fifteen,
but it's how it ends. Jaden Daniels ends great. Sam
Darnold did not. I think he is now now what
he's probably always been. Baker Mayfield litl reckless, darn Good
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works his butt off, likable B plus guy making mid
thirties a year.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Folks, all your billionaires, or at least most of them,
could afford what the Dodgers are doing. Who landed Roki
Sasaki the next great young pitching star from Japan? You
do realize the Dodgers deferring payments. Every franchise could do that.
They also win trades. They have arguably the best minor
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league system. They stole taoscar Hernandez for nothing. This is
an organization that is hyper aggressive. All these owners in baseball,
even the A's and the Fisher family are billionaires. All
of these organizations can defer payments. It's absolutely legal. I
hear this all the time. Well, what is wrong with baseball?
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When the Yankees were dominating the Hot League, it was celebrated.
People don't like it because they think they're using some
system that's not legal. Deferred payments are the future of baseball,
and the smartest team in the sport has figured it
out first. Where Colin was right, Riley Leonard led his
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team to a Natty despite the fact they have one
five star athlete. I think this is the most underrated
player in college football. I think he's going to go
to an offensive coach like a McVeigh, sit for two years,
not play, and you'll look up and he's getting reps
on Sunday. I don't know. I just when I watch him,
tough athletic, got kind of a weird delivery, but every
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time they ask him to make a big throw, he
makes it. I think he has been my favorite dark
horse player in college football for the entire year, and
here he is taking a team that doesn't have as
many five star football recruits. As Kentucky to the national championship.
Helps He's got a great coach.
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Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah. I'm eternally grateful that I got a broadcast for
a living and watch sports and take notes and have fun.
But it's also been great that I get Tom Brady
on a regular basis. He is joining us all now.
I got to start with this because everything I read
on the internet Tom is true, and it breaks my
heart that we only got to work a year together.
You're already leaving, so it's really hard for me. I
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swear to God, the interweb has you. I don't know
where you're going, but you're leaving. Would you address that please?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
It's hard for me too.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I thought it was a great run, you know, one
solid year, so you know there's time for new things.
And I figured, you know, this has been totally mastered
to this point.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
I don't know where it comes from. I know it
always says sources close to Brady or whatever. But I've
had the best time at Fox and I've loved every
time going into the booth and working with such great people,
starting with my partner Kevin, everyone in our crew, Ze Russ, Aaron,
Tom who you know everyone would probably know a little
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bit about, but behind the scenes, there are so many
incredible people that bring the NFL to life and to
see kind of how it is from a different perspective.
You know, I've had so many years, twenty three years
playing on the field, I've watched so many games from
from you know, the sideline, sideline view, and now I'm
sitting up there in the booth and seeing it from
a different perspective, and I've I've loved kind of just
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the whole process and diving into all these different teams.
It's been a lot of growth for me in one year,
and I really can't see can't wait to see what
it looks like in year two and and way beyond
that too. So I got nine years left on my
deal and maybe longer.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
You never know.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
If Fox wants me, then I want to go. We'll
just keep going because it's been it's been really fun
thus far.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I think sources close to Brady or your kids, and
my guess is they're not leaking stuff to the internet.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
So.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Okay, So all right, let's get into the Raiders stuff.
So they need a coach again, there's a lot of
talk about who the coach is. They need a general manager.
So you were a rookie broadcaster, you're now a rookie
part of an ownership group. Kind of give me what
does this entail.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
That's a great point, you know, being a rookie too.
You got to almost go back to what your roots
are as a rookie and remember that when you are
a rookie year trying to learn as much as you can.
And when I was a rookie as a quarterback, I
really just kind of engulfed myself in the playbook and
listen to a lot of the veterans, and this is
how you're gonna go about it, Tom, this is how
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you're going to be the best possible player you can be.
And then you realize that many years later, ten years later,
I started to actually perform the way that I thought
I was.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Capable of performing.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
So I wish I could have played football my entire life,
but that kind of, you know, twenty three years was
long enough. I got tired of really taking the hits
that I wanted to spend as much time as I
could with the kids. So really being involved with the
Raiders gives me an opportunity to be involved with football
for the rest of my life. And I really love teamwork.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
I always have. I love seeing other people succeed.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I really hope other players get former players get opportunities
to be involved with teams, and right now I've got
there's a great ownership group, there's other great people involved.
On one voice, it's so collaborative. But I think this
process of learning is so important. So that's kind of
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where it's at.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So I want to ask you about Ben Johnson. So
this is interesting to me. So everybody says, and I
think I fall into this, Hey he got an offensive coach,
and you think immediately that's great, but you didn't. And
in fact, Belichick let you and Josh kind of go
behind the curtain and he let you do your thing,
which I love that. It's cool, Like, hey, you're into it, Josh.
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If you get an offensive when you.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Look at here's what I think when you look at
these go ahead, sorry Colin a second delay, But I
think that it's there's such a jigsaw puzzle when you
look at a lot of different organizations, and whether football
organizations or basketball, baseball. I think it's a collective group
of people, and you got to figure out that puzzle
of what exactly fits if you do have a defensive
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head coach, you know, like Bill was, Bill was a
great manager, and Bill did a great job coach in
the coaches and he had high expectations. I think he
had backgrounded offense, so he didn't necessarily probably throw all
his ideas out there, but he did have a general
understanding of how we should perform on offense, and he
had expectations for that. Bill was, I thought, the one
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of the greatest special teams coaches ever in the history
of the NFL, and obviously the greatest defensive coordinator probably
in the history of the NFL. So I think when
you look at all the different roles that he played
in the organization that I was successful in, he did
more than just coach. He was a great kind of
added beneficiary or added great benefit to the defensive staff.
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He was a great listening and is about to listen
to what we're doing offensively, could provide insight to that.
There was a lot of things he added to our clubs.
So this whole puzzle with the offense coach defensive coach.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I just it.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Should be about great people doing great things, working collaboratively,
being humble, learning every year. In the same way that
you said earlier to me, you're always trying to up
your game every year. I feel like that's what I
always try to do as a player, and I don't
see that's any different in football or in business.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Everybody should always be looking to.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Improve and understanding where their weaknesses are, how to improve
their weaknesses, and then continue to build on their strengths.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
You watched a lot of Caleb Williams. If there was
one thing that you want him to improve on that
Ben Johnson can zero in on and you got a
lot of snaps. Is there one thing you'd say, Hey, Caleb,
this is the one thing I want you to work on.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
I think it's always you know, there's well, I would
say this for any player, and Caleb in particularly as
a young.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Player, there's a lot of room for growth.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Obviously, it's really up to him to decide where he
wants to spend his time and energy to become the
player that he wants to be. And I believe that
there's three parts that make up great players. The physical,
the mental, the emotional. We all have deficiencies. None of
them are fur pick players. Maybe the only perfect players
I played against was Ed Reid, ray Lewis, Jason Taylor.
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Those guys were perfect in my opinion, but they had
so many things figured out. I, let's say, was at
one point was physically probably not where I wanted to be.
Mentally emotional, I was always very good. I had a
great understanding of the tactics. I could bring a competitive
desire to practice every single day to get the most
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out of my teammates. Where I needed to prove is physically.
How do I become a better pocket passer? How do
I improve the footwork in my pocket? How can I
become more durable? How can I be a little bit
more stronger in the pocket. When those things caught up
to what I was doing mentally and emotionally, I became
the type of player that I wanted to be. Some
guys are really blessed physically, so they don't have to
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work on necessarily the mental emotional as much. So I
think you always have to have an understanding if you
want to reach your true potential. It's about maximizing all
three of those things. I went and spoke to the
Notre Dame football team before they were in the Orange season,
before they won the Orange Bowl. I talked about those
exact same things. I talk to any player who comes
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up and talks to me, whether it's other quarterbacks on
other teams, whether it's college teams. You know they're always
seeking my advice, and I tell them the same thing.
You have to have a self awareness about who you are,
where you want to go, and then work hard at
the things where you're deficient and while still understanding what
your strengths are and build on those.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
But this is a full time job to be an
NFL player.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
This is I woke up in the morning brushing my
teeth in the morning thinking about my throwing mechanics. If
I just get my left shoulder looking in the mirror
of you, That's how I thought about it, and I
think that's why I was able to have such a
productive career over a long period of time.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Jaden Daniels is obviously gifted. He moves well, he's accurate
when you watch him from upstairs. What is the one
thing that surprises you about Jaden Daniels as a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
I think when you deal with most rookie quarterbacks, and
I think what I saw in this Detroit game is
when they most defensive coaches. Now it's just like, let's
put pressure on him, let's get to the middle of
the pocket. Let's send blitzers. He won't see him, he
won't have a full understanding of protections or where his
great one on one matchups are. Jaden looks and I
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know this for a fact. He is a tremendous work ethic.
Everybody speaks about his ability to work hard. He's in
the playbook after he gets drafted. In the offseason, he's
try to understand what the coaches are going to ask him.
And then you see how it's reflected in his rookie season,
one of the great rookie seasons any quarterbacks ever had.
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And he's got a great connection with his players. He
has the physical tools, and he's a very humble kid.
How that reflects and when I watch him play, he
has tremendous poise in the pocket. He's calm under the
chaos of being an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
There blitzing him.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
The other night the Lions, where he's standing in the
pocket waiting the very last second a lot like you
know Patrick does in so many ways, and then delivers
the ball accurately to his receivers instride and they make
big plays. So that's I think a little bit about
what's in store for him as he continues to develop
in his future, his poise, confidence in himself. Some players
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need production to become confident. Some people become confident before
they have any production. That's a great trait to have
as an athlete. Before you walk on the field, you're confident.
You don't need to complete your first five passes to
become confident. And I think that's what I see in
a young Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Take out Gronk, and the Patriots weren't known as personality,
Plus Belichick muted some of that, or players self muted that,
knowing Bill didn't like it. And then there's the Philadelphia Eagles.
It's ego and now Barkley Saquan is very Patriot like
Jalen hurts a little bit, but it's a big personality.
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The coach is barking at fans. How does it work
in Philadelphia because it's the opposite of your dynasty.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Sure, I think they do things very uniquely. But Howie
Roseman's done an incredible job assembling that team. I think
he's a guy that lives in breathes football every single day.
When you think about being tough, you think about the
offensive line and running the football, and the defensive line
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and their ability to stop the run. And you're right,
they do have some personalities. But when I look at
Jordan my Alatta, when I look at Lane Johnson and
Dickerson and Jurgens and Makai Beckton coming in there, the
strength of that team is their offensive line and Saquon
and they're just tremendous. That dominating force they have up
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front is absolutely incredible. In the defensive line has drawn
a tremendous job. Williams has done a great job. Jalen
Carter's had a great second season, Sweat's done a great job.
They lost Brandon Graham and Huffed to injury, and they're
still producing at a very high level. So I think
that physical toughness permeates the whole team. And then you're right,
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I think naturally at the skill positions there always is
a little more personality, and I reference this in one
of the games. The receivers certainly and this has been
even when I was a rookie with Terry Glenn. You know,
God rests his soul, but he he had, you know,
his own way of trying to get included. And if
they're not getting passes all the time, whether that was Randy,
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who I love more than anyone in this world, they
just they want to feel included in what they're doing.
If they're not getting balls and impact in the game,
they want to let you.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Know about it.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
And that's just part of it that comes with the territory.
AJ does a little bit of that. DeVante smith Is
is obviously a great teammate and a very unselfish player.
But naturally some of those I would say, cornerback positions,
receiver positions, they have their own way of looking at
things and you just deal with it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Probably finally here because the way you have about three
minutes left. Mahomes Mahomes getting a lot of heat. I've
been defending the Patriots, I said a couple of years
ago when they when they moved off Tyreek Hill, they
became the Patriots. They wouldn't be the fireworks show. Its like,
you guys losing moss. You're not going to score fifty
you're gonna have to be more efficient. You have to
be smarter, you have to be even better situationally, Randy
Moss or Tyreek Hill give you those free touchdowns over
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the top and those two play drive those are over
I think they manipulate. I think they leverage. I think
they're smart. I don't think you know all this rig
stuff's nonsense. But but I will say, Mahomes and that
out of bound stuff where he stops, I don't love that.
I think it's I don't love that. What do you
make of the late hits and the controversy that the
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league is protecting Mahomes? What do you make of all
of it?
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Well, there's there's an aspect that I don't like about
the some of these defensive rules. I think I've been
pretty outspoken, not just on broadcasts but just in general
over the last bunch of years. And before quarterbacks out
of bounds, you know you hit them. And it's the
reality for me is offensive players need to protect themselves
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and if they're running full speed and the defenders are
coming up, the defenders the intent is to create the
only way to turn the.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Ball over is to create force.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Right, You're not going to blow on the football going
to you know, knock its way out of a running
back's hands, or a quarterback says you got to go
in there with force and knock it out. You're trying
to create turnovers, you're trying to disrupt the pass, you're
trying to dislodge the ball. The only way to do
that is with force, and there needs to be an
aggressiveness to doing that. When quarterbacks become running backs and
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they're out of the pocket, they should lose their protection.
And we are in essence, we're trying to say we're
trying to protect the quarterbacks, but coaches are calling more
quarterback runs than ever in the history of the game.
So who's protecting the quarterback? You're trying to say the
referee should do it. I believe if you're an offensive
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player and you can't protect yourself, or you're a defensive
player and you can't protect yourself, if you're a d
lineman and you're engaged in a block, no one can
come and clip you, which.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Is that's a chop block. That's well known. Everyone agrees
with that. If you're defending your own block, you know
they can. They got to get you on the ground. Somehow.
If you're running with the ball, you should protect yourself.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
If you don't want to get hit, you can go down,
you can run out of bounds, but you can't, in essence,
have the defensive player come in at half speed and
then you run over the defensive player because he's afraid
of getting a penalty. And I think it's just a
disservice to the game. It's something that I would hope
that people would really address and say, not that anyone's
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trying to take advantage of the rules, but they've just
gone to a point where it does impact the quality
of the game. I was on my social media and
I was watching Ronnie Lott and who's the greatest safety
Ronnie Lott?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Why?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Because he brought a force to the game that if
you were catching the ball over the middle, he was
going to force incomplete passes. And if the quarterbacks made
bad reads, you know who. That's how the game got taught.
Now there's no repercussions for quarterbacks making poor reads, making
poor decisions out of the pockets. So I think, overall,
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in my opinion, that needs to be seriously looked at all.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Right, And like the professional broadcaster he is, he hands
it to me for about twelve seconds left before we
go to break. Tom Brady, nice to know you're going
to be back at Fox. You know you gotta be
careful about the interweb, folks. Not everything, believe it or not,
is true. And his sources, I swear to you, are
as kids, and that's whose everybody's sources should be. My friend.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Good seeing you, Tom Bi Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
We'll talk to you soon. Man. Have a great week.
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Speaker 1 (26:28):
So I do this before huge games every year or
a huge series. I do the ten best players, which
gives me some sense to who's gonna win. So let's
go Washington and Buffalo or Washington and Philadelphia on Fox
the ten best players. And again this is my opinion,
but it's based on a lot of data and a
lot of stats. Who are the ten best players in
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the Commander's Eagles game on Fox the NFC Championship. So
I think the number one player is Saquan Barkley, who's
on a short list of the greatest running backs. I've
ever seen. He is so good. This team is built
around the O line in the running back, not the quarterback.
Most rushing yards through the first two games in NFL
playoff history, all class, speed, moves, power Sakwan Barkley. Number two,
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Jordan Maylott is the highest gridded offensive tackle in the NFL.
Offensive tackles matter a lot more than interior lineman. Highest
grid at one sack allowed, four hundred and sixty four
pass blocking attempts this year for the Eagles. Number three
is Jalen Carter. I think he's the best defensive tackle
right now in the NFL. I know it's only year two.
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Highest graded defender at any position this playoff among these
final four teams, Georgia Bulldog Jalen Carter number four. I
don't think it's hyper. I think Jayden Daniels is magic, Folks.
I think we're looking at a kid, highest passer rating
by any of the four quarterbacks, and that's with an
average O line and one weapon. Tied for the most
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wins by a rookie quarterback in the seats including the playoffs.
His fourth quarter numbers don't even make sense. They don't
even make sense. Number five, Zach Bawd. Now he's a linebacker.
Even though he's a finalist for Defensive Player of the Year,
he is a linebacker. He's unbelievable, a highest credit linebacker
in the NFL this year. Former special teams guy, but again,
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linebacker has limitations. We've seen great teams move off really
good linebackers because of the position. Number six, Aj Brown.
They went fourteen to one when Aj Brown, the wide receiver,
the book reading wide receiver, played for Philadelphia, and the
average twenty nine and a half points when he played.
He is special. Number seven Terry McLaurin. Maybe not the
burner or quite the impact, but talk about consistent with
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all sorts of quarterbacks. Five straight years of one thousand yards,
great hands open often and again this has been a
franchise that can't find the quarterback until this year. Lane
Johnson's number eight right tackle for the Philadelphia Eagles, has
not allowed a sack since last year Week fourteen, so
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he is considered the best right tackle. Tristan Wurfs and him. Now.
Worfs has moved over to the left side, but highest
graded right tackle in the NFL this season, and it
feels like this has been his position. He and Tristan
works for years. Number nine Landon Dickerson, who is the
best guard in the highest graded guard in the playoffs
according to PFF. I mean, this whole line for Philadelphia
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goes back to the Tyron Smith you know, Zach Martin
Cowboy O line where it's like everybody's great. And number ten,
I'd give Bobby Wagner at Washington the edge here only
player in the NFL. He's a tackle machine with one
hundred and forty plus tackles and three plus fumble recoveries.
Smart still got some movement, tackle machine, tough physically, and
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there you go. I'm gonna do the bills Kansas City
after Greg Coosel. So I want your reaction. First of all,
now there's a bunch of really good players at eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen.
Philadelphia is so stacked. I don't even know what to
do with about three of their guys.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Wait, I need you to flash it on the screen
one more time.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Jalen Hurts did not make it.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
No, no, Sjalen Hurts is not one of the ten
best players in the NFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
A hurt Jalen Hurts. No, you think that's outrageous. Who
am I going to replace him?
Speaker 9 (30:20):
No comment, Jalen hurts Colin.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So I see it? Oh my god, seven to three
edge Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1 (30:37):
By the way, I started this segment giving you the
ten best players in the Washington Philadelphia game seven to
three Philadelphia, and I probably would have given them the
eleven and twelve players as well. They're favored by six.
They should be Buffalo, Kansas City to me is even
more interesting and much less lobsided. So the number one
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player would be Patrick Mahomes. Nobody would dispute that sixteen
and three playoff record, arguably, outside of Brady, the best
playoff quarterback of all time. So Patrick Mahomes again, no
argument that Josh Allen Buffalo would be number two. It's
a flip flop. I'll give it to Mahomes because he's
been more successful. Now it gets tougher, gets tough Now.
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Quarterbacks are both great. They're one and two. Now what's
the most important position after quarterback? Well, left tackle, defensive tackle.
Now I would put Chris Jones Number three. He's going
to be a Hall of Famer when Aaron Donald retired.
The most disruptive playoff interior lineman in football. He's the
highest graded defender for the Chiefs all season long, and
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they've had the best situational defense. Now. Number four is interesting.
This could be a lot of players. Crean Humphrey's the
best center in football and it's not necessarily close. Highest
graded player on the Chiefs this season, on the entire
roster of a two time chain and favored to be
a third time champ. He doesn't have the flexibility of
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Joe Tooney, but when Kelsey retired, Jason Kelsey retired. This
is easily Oklahoma via Oklahoma Sooners the best center in
the game. Number five, it's Travis Kelcey. He is gronk
in the playoffs. He is wide open, he was seventy
percent of their offense last week, and he is not
necessarily a regular season phenom. Either was Gronk at the end,
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but I would put Travis Kelsey five. I would go
to Dion Dawkins left tackle. I think left tackle is
the second most most important position in football, and he
has been a multiple time Pro Bowler four straight, has
not allowed a single sack since Week nine against the
best pass rushers in the AFC. I would put Trent McDuffie,
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the highest graded corner in the NFL, at number seven. Now,
you could argue he should be higher, but it's hard
for cornerbacks. I mean, sas Gardner is great. What does
it matter for wins? I think you can you can
move people around, you can jam him, you can get
into situations where you can minimize the effectiveness on a corner.
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Number eight Gregory Russo at Buffalo. Listen, he's their elite
pass rusher. He's on the field more generally than Von Miller.
Highest gradded defender for the Buffalo Bills this year. When
he's healthy and playing, they're very good. Number nine a
guy that's banged up from time to time, but boy
does he matter. Matt Mulano is a playmaker. When he
plays there, five and one, eight tackles, a sack, four
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quarterback hits. He feels like kind of the soul of
this defense in my opinion, though he has been banged
up from time to time. I would put James Cook,
the running back at number ten. Nineteen touchdowns in eighteen games,
and he is also you could argue he should be higher.
He has really alleviated some pressure in the red zone.
He can smell that end zone. So now it's five
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to five. But I think what's interesting when you look
at the top ten is the quality of great players.
If you take out josh Allen Mahomes the best quarterback,
Chris Jones, the best defensive tackle, Humphrey the best center,
Travis Kelcey the best big game tight end, Trent McDuffie,
the best corner, and Buffalo's corners, by the way, are
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banged up in this game. They're supposed to play, but
they're banged up. So now this is five to five.
But the elite players in key positions tend to be
Kansas City. That's why they're probably favored by a point
and a half. Your reaction to this, you didn't like
my first one. Your reaction to this.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Well, the Jalen hurts a mission. It's just, I mean,
it's going to be a wedge in our friendship. As
for this one, you know, I don't totally disagree. It
reminds me in the Super Bowl when you did Niners Chiefs.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
It was flip flop.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
The Niners had the top end talent, remember, and they
were slightly favorites in the Super Bowl. And I feel
like the same situation here. Yes, Chris Jones highly rated
by PFF Creed Humphrey. Sure, I would quibble with Allen
versus Mahomes. Allen's been better this year. That's undeniable. He's
gonna be the MVP. Should be the MVP. A lot
of people will be upset with Milano because he was
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hurt and his grades.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Had not been great this year.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'm just talking. I'm talking the best players now in
the AFC Championship. If Milano is not playing, I would
take Kansas. So you know who I think he was that.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Over Milano is Dalton Kid kate If you just look
at best, he is awesome. And by the way, I
just looked up who the inactives were and missed the
earlier Chiefs Bills games.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
The Bills were without Kean Coleman.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yes, Spencer Brown the right tackle and Dalton Kin kate
Y and the offense still put thirty.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
On the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
No, I'm picking Buffalo in this. In a high scoring game,
I think both teams score.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I'm curious who guards Kinkaid on the Chiefs, Like, who's
going to defend him?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
He's a really tough matchup.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I had twenty eleven, Kinkaid twelve, and Juny's more flexible.
He gives me se.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
If is he gonna match up with Russo von Miller?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
It's exciting. My wife doesn't follow sports, and I'm like,
this is this biggest football game of the year, and
likely it will be the best game we see. It'll
be better than the super Bowl because I think the
winner of this has a chance to roll in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
Possibly, is Nick upset with you that you're picking the
bills here?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I didn't last for an okay.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
I thought you guys would text about it and you
get on your case or some I.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Always know who he's picking well.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Obviously, but he doesn't like it when you put the
bills at the top, and he thinks the chief should
be up top all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I am sure guy. I am still his mentor at
this point.
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Speaker 1 (36:43):
I like Philadelphia minus six and the over forty seven
and a half. The Eagles have won fourteen of fifteen
games and they're virtually unbeatable when aj Brown's in the lineup.
They averaged an NFL best one hundred and ninety three
y rushing yard yards over the second best team in
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the league. Right, that was number one in the league
over the last fifteen games. Okay. They have no giveaways
in four straight games. So their rush offense the last
fifteen games yards per game, percentage attempts a game. This
is what they do. It's not a quarterback led team.
It is a run game led team. The Commanders third
straight road playoff game. They allowed in the win twelve
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big plays versus Detroit. No rookie's ever been to a
Super Bowl, and their rush defense leaves a lot to
be desired. Thirty. Okay, so you're talking about a team
that is road weary, that is outclassed physically. Their weakness
is the Philadelphia straint. Is Jaden Daniels capable of performing
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Maggot magic a backdoor cover? Absolutely, But last week I
wouldn't touch Detroit Philadelphia. I said, stay away, don't bet it.
It worries me because of Detroit's defense. Philadelphia's defense, Boy,
they hit on draft picks in that secondary. It's excellent.
The Washington Commanders are missing their best lineman and interior
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linemen against Jalen Carter, potential nightmare. Rams, who had a
rookie center, struggled with this at the end of that game.
I like Philadelphia to win thirty four to twenty four.
I think it could get a little ugly. All take
the over as well comfortably fills a Chiefs the wise
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guys like Kansas City. But I've been on the Bills
for a month to win the Super Bowl. The winner
of this game, in my opinion, hoist the Lombardi Trophy.
They have a winning record against the Chiefs, and Sean
McDermott has been there. Did you know that in nine
meetings they've won five. They leave the NFL in turnover differential.
This team is different. Like Kansas City. They don't beat
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themselves fewest giveaways eight in a single season in league history.
Well games this year without a turnover. Their defense also
may not be elite, right, you don't think it's e leak,
but they led the NFL with thirty five takeaways. Because
you're usually trailing and have to play catchup and are
kind of predictable. Josh Allen in his playoff career, do
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not confuse him with Lamar Jackson. He has been excellent again.
Nine games against Mahomes total, he's won five in Kansas City.
I think the gig is up. Even if you go
to that Houston game, they only had two hundred and
twelve yards offense. They only averaged four yards of play.
Very Travis Kelsey dependent. I like the Bills receiving corps better.
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I like their running back room better. I like their
offensive line better. I think quarterback is a wash. Kansas
City's got the better defense. Josh Allen has a way
of making great defenses reducing them to so so I'm
gonna take the Bills to win a close game outright.
You know it's gonna be close drama f twenty eight,
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twenty seven. I believe whoever wins this game wins the
Super Bowl