January 27, 2025 • 33 mins
Super Bowl champion Drew Brees joins the show to explain why he didn't like the Bills offensive approach with quarterback Josh Allen against the Chiefs
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thirteen time pro bowler, super Bowl champ two decades in
the NFL, Drew Brees drops by and we always appreciate it.
So we got a couple games to break down. Let's
just start. Let's start with a big one that's viewed
as sort of the kind of the rivalry, the Ali Fraser,
the McGregor, Nate dis I mean, you get these Bills chiefs.
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They all kind of look the same. And it's funny
because we've kind of lumped Mahomes into Okay, he's the
winner and Josh isn't. But Josh played pretty darn well.
The thing that bothered me and I think you had
the advantage, like Mahomes know how much of an advantage,
but it is great to have an offensive guy who
sees the world like you do, like like Andy and Sean.
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I was a little bothered by all these push pushes
for a sex seven quarterback leaping into the air, and
I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, he's a pinata. I mean,
when you see that, did you love that? As a
fourth and one call repeatedly over and over again? For Buffalo, it.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Certainly felt repetitive, and especially in the fact that it
wasn't working right as well as as probably they expected.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
You know, it's been it's been automatic.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
For the Eagles here for the last couple of years,
and then obviously a Buffalo kind of adopted the same strategy,
And in large part that's because they all have big,
physical offensive lines and they have a big, physical, strong
quarterback that can typically, you know, maneuver his way through
and get the first down. Look, I've always felt that
the true quarterback sneak. There is an art to it. Yeah,
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there's an art to finding the soft spots. At times, you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Know, you maneuver into a gap, at times you go
over the top.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But I think you have to have some threat that
something else could be coming in order for that to work,
as opposed to just constantly lining up in that formation
and everyone in the world knows what's coming. So I
think a little variety in hindsight, you know, probably would
have been helpful in a lot of cases. That's also
when as an offensive play caller, you know you have
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an opportunity for a big play. You know that the
defense is going to be selling out into the gaps.
Maybe you sneak a little tight end to layout, or
you get a pick route, you know with your running back.
It's what the Chiefs do so well in these third
and short, fourth and short situations. You know, get these
linebackers picks, sneak it back out into the flat, and
you saw it at least a few times in the
game from their perspective, so obviously in hindsight, you know
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they since it didn't work, you know, it probably could
have been a better shad.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know, it's interesting, I feel like Mahomes and Red
are actually more aggressive in these big spots. They're almost
liberated by it, almost like Okay, if we lose, we're out,
let's empty the playbook. Go back to your big games
with Sean. Is there a feeling when you get to
sudden death football? Hey guys, this is something we probably
not gonna show earlier. Do you unveil new tricks because
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it potentially is the last game of the year.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Look, in most cases, your best opportunities to make big
plays is in those those situations because in most cases,
the defense is taking away the things that they know
you're gonna try to hit them with the normal down
in distances, they're gonna make you earn it. They're gonna
make you just take completion after completion, be really flawless
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in your execution. It's when you get to those third
and fourth down moments in critical situations where you know
you're gonna get.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Manned to man.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You know you're gonna have the opportunity for that matchup,
or you're gonna be able to kind of break out
that wrinkle that gets a guy you know, busted loose,
or you kind of set that pick or you know
a little bit of that trickery to get their eyes.
Like that's the Chiefs do that better than anybody in
every In every one of those situations, you.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Can tell it's so well thought out.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I mean, it's the Andy Reid special, Like we're gonna
get some kind of a man's own read. Like look
what the play that sealed the game at the end
when they threw it to p Ryan in the flat,
they motion two guys over Goden reset.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
You see that it's man to man, and then.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You run those guys across to set a natural pick
on the backer and you sneak the back out. We
used to call it snake because it's impossible to cover
for that guy, and so he just deals it to Pran.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
He goes and gets fifteen yards. They win the game.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Like I've seen that five times from them this year, right,
And if it's not that, then it's this. Hey, we're
going to sell the line one way and we're gonna
sneak the back out of the backfield. We're gonna set
a pick, you know, with kind of a down block,
and here springs, you know, Pacheco. Like it's it's time
after time. Just this, Like it's just great execution. I mean,
it's great game planning. It's very QB friendly, honestly, because
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because you're giving in man's own reads. With the way
that you move receivers or motion shift, you identify matchups
and then you execute.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You won your Super Bowl in your ninth year. This
is a seventh year for Josh Allen. The kid was
so devastated after I just, I mean, I feel so
bad for him. What is it like take your worst
loss of your career. How gutting is it, Drew? What
does it do to you mentally for the next couple
of weeks? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Well, I'd say this for Josh Allen a couple of
years ago when they lost in the divisional round to
the Chiefs, when he led his team down and scored
with was it thirteen seconds left?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Eighteen seconds left?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, and then the Chiefs went two plays later kicked
the field go to tiet go too ot and then
they went down, scored and never gave Josh the opportunity
to get back on the field. That's when they changed
the overtime rule in the playoffs to give both qbs
an opportunity. Yeah, Josh Allen in that moment at that time,
played as well as he could have played. Gave us
a chance, team the best chance to win at the end.
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I mean, thirteen seconds you should win the game, right,
just stop him poor defensive coverage, you know, to give
them the opportunity to go keep the fielder in this game,
Josh did everything he possibly could to put him in
a position to win.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
At the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean credit credit to Spags I mean that was
an unbelievable pressure disguise and execution on that fourth down play.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But for Josh Allen to by time launch that ball.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
To Kinkaid, I mean very few qbs would have the
wherewithal to extend that play, find the guy and get
the ball out down the field like that.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
It was.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You couldn't have done it any better, and the guy
drops it, you know. So so I look at two
opportunities where the Bills are on their way to the
Super Bowl if other guys could just do their job
right and and make the play. The QB did everything
he could do, you know. So that's the disappointing part. Like,
that's the part that hurts.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Man.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It takes everybody, you know, it takes everybody executing in
order to give you that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I mean, look look at the Chiefs this year.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Like the Chiefs, we talk about Mahomes is late game
playmaking ability and just championship DNA, and that is absolutely
the truth. But the Chiefs defense has come up in
about seven different games where they stopped the opposing offense
from going down and scoring to win the game, or
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they got to stop in order to get the ball
back to Mahomes so that he could go down and
win the game.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So it takes everybody.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, Spags is hyper aggressive. He almost seems to ratchet
it up when he faces Lamar, when he faces Josh Allen,
go to your career, how do you Jalen hers? Now,
Jalen's got a great old line. But pressure is pressure.
You know, sometimes they bring more than you can block.
What was your belief when you knew you were in
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a face of coordinator who aired on the side of
aggressive are there? Did you like that? Did you relish it?
Did you see that as opportunities? Did it put extra
stress on you?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
So?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I look it was it was a bit of a
nightmare for the week in regards to preparation and planning.
And you knew this, like you know this going into
a game with Fags. If you are in third and
long too much in this game, you don't have a chance,
right because he is so good at the disguise and
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he's so good at getting an overload and getting a
free rusher that you're then just in a situation where
men you just have to get lucky that you can
make that guy miss or you can buy enough time
in order to find somebody open down the field. You
have to stay ahead of the chains against Fags, and
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that is something that Philly does very very well because
of their ability to run the football with Saquon and
just the dynamic that Jalen Hurts gives that often similar
to Lamar Jackson gives to Baltimore, where the QB almost
becomes an extra blocker in the run game because you
have to account for him and his ability to run
the football. He takes a defender out of the mix
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and then typically leaves Saquon with a one on one,
you know, situation in the open field, which Saquon has
been waiting most of the time this year. And then
they stay ahead of the chains with their play action.
And they've got two great matchups outside with Devanti Smith.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
And aj Brown.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So if if Philly cannot stay ahead of the chains,
they do not have a chance in this game because
they are not a drop back passing team. So if
they're in a bunch of third and lungs, no chance
against this Bag's defense. They have to stay ahead of
the chains, and that's something they typically do very well.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
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Speaker 1 (09:56):
Finally, in a salary cap sport, it is hard to
create a roster like Philly. I think it's the best
I've seen in maybe seven to eight nine years. San
Francisco was really good about three years ago, but I
don't think they had this kind of offensive line where
you've got four Pro Bowl level players. What was the
I mean, so Kansas City's facing a roster there's a
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star in every unit, there's two star guards. What was
the most talented team you faced? You looked across and thought,
they got better dudes than we do. We can still win,
but they got better dudes.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Maybe you know that legion of Legion of Boom Seattle defense.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, back in you know twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen was
really unprecedented when you look at every position. I mean
it was a Pro Bowl, all pro helper person at
every single position. So what they did to drafts and
then develop those guys was was was remarkable.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
But I look at the.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Eagles, and you know, I looked at their free agent acquisitions.
Say On Barkley, Obviously he was a great player prior
to coming to Philly, but this just elevated he needing more.
I would, I would, I would equate a lot to
what going to Baltimore did for Derrick Henry. You know,
you combine him with a guy like Lamar and it's
just gonna open up more and more opportunities. And sure
enough he had a stellar MVP, you know, caliber season,
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just like Saquon did. But it's guys like Zach Bond,
linebacker they signed from the New Orleans Saints, who is
mainly a special teams player.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
With Normans, I played with Zach. He was like, third
fourth round.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Pick from Wisconsin, comes in, He's just gonna play, be
a four course special teams guy, backup linebacker behind to
Mario Davis and some of these other studs. But many's
gonna learn, he's gonna work, and he's gonna be prepared
when his opportunity comes. And sure enough it comes in
Philly and he becomes an All Pro player.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Right CJ. Gardner Johnson, he was a teammate in.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Mine too in New Orleans, a guy that I loved,
the teammate, Absolutely hate going up against him because of
his mouth. But bottom line is the dude can play, right,
and then they found to roll for him, right and
he he fulfills it very very well.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Slay. They got an elite corner right like like they
just they have a.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Pass lush, They just have all these elite pieces that
they put together.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
But a lot of that's, man, the way you draft,
the way you developed.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
The way you go identify free agents that they're gonna
fill rolls for you.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah. Yeah, that Seattle team, they were pretty good, and
they were all in their prime. They were young, twitchy, fast.
You had Sherman, You had Earl Thomas. Yeah that was
Cam Chancellor on that.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Cam Chancellor, dude. You had Cliff April, you had Michael Bennett,
got everybody, every one of them was a pro bowler.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, Drew Brees as always, my man, appreciate you stopping by,
all right. Yeah, Yeah, that Seattle team was stacked. And
then on the offense, you had Russell Wilson in his prime,
Marshawn Lynch. I remember they went out and got uh
Percy Harvin because they had Russell Wilson was on his
rookie contract. So they went and got Cliff Averil I
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think he was I think he was in Detroit. They're like,
let's just go buy a good pass rusher. Let's just
go buy Percy Harvin. And Harvin had migraine headaches, so
they didn't He didn't get used a lot, but you
were like they had because Russell was on that rookie contract.
They had the combination of Pete Carroll right out of college,
drafting brilliantly on mid round players who be game Hall
of Fame level players, Cam Chanceller, you know, Richard Sherman.
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And then all of a sudden, you had the ability
because you weren't paying anybody, Let's go buy Cliff Averell,
Let's go buy Percy Harvin. That team was stacked. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Now this is the headline news, all right.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
So Bear's head coach Ben Johnson starting to fill out
his staff. He landed former Saints head coach Dennis Allen
to be the defensive coordinator, and then he plucked this
twenty eight year old gentleman named Declan Doyle, who I'd
never heard of in my life, to be the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I'm assuming Ben's gonna call plays. Yeah, this guy will
just gonna be a coordinator. Doyle started his career.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
As a student assistant at Iowa in twenty sixteen, spent
some time on Sean Payton's staff in New Orleans, and
was a tight ends coach for the Broncos.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
I don't know, he's I think that.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
You know what I like about that. You know he's
not going anywhere for four years. Well he's twenty eight.
Well that's what I'm saying. So he's hiring a guy.
He's going to be his mentor. Ben's gonna call plays.
But he's hiring a guy. And there's two benefits to it.
This guy's not gonna be a one and done. He's
not gonna be looking for jobs constantly. And secondly, it
starts Maybe this is vanity, but it starts your tree.
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And so I like the idea. That's why Spags is
such a great hire for Andy Reid is probably not
going to get a second chance because his first as
a head coach was a miss.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
That's a great point. So Dennis Allen, I don't he won't.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Get another head job. He will, No, no, no, no, he won't.
So that's a great hire too. So Dennis Allen, he's
gonna stay with you as long as he performs. Dennis
Allen's not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Well, he's fifty two, so he's a little younger than Spags.
But man, I just looked up his head. Now he
struggled with the Raiders and the.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Saints twenty six and fifty three.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
This, I'll tell you what. This is really smart by
Ben Johnson. So I'm gonna hire a defensive guy who's
respected but has failed twice as a head coach. No turnover,
no turn on. Then I'm gonna hire an offensive guy.
I'm calling plays anyway. I know I'm not gonna get
any turnover. So You've got two coordinators. So for the
duration of your contract, is it four or five years,
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you're gonna have the same coordinator. I like that.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
That's interesting.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
So Dennis Allen had car in with the Raiders and
then with the Saints. Is there a world where Dennis
Allen thinks, hey, I just never got my quarterbacks, so
I never had.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
A fair shake. Nobody in the league thinks that.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
I mean you, and I don't think that does Dennis Allen.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Doesn't matter what Dennis thinks. He's not going to be
offered a head coaching job. He got two shots. He
was bad at both.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
I always say that about Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But here we are, all right.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Next story is Patrick Mahomes and the chance at a
three pt Kansas City two straight super Bowl victories.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
They're going for a third.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Mahomes is not letting the weight of the moment impact
his preparation.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
I'll put so every single every single season as its
own season, and every team's different.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You get new.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Guys, you get guys that have to step up in
different roles, and so I just I just go about
my business and just try to prepare everybody to be
in the best possible situations to succeed. And obviously it'll
be awesome. I think it'll be something I look back
at the end of my career if we're able to
to go out there and get that repeat. But at
the same time, you just treat it as one season
in a one super Bowl run, which is which is
always harder to.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Go ahead, go ahead, and you want to say great
stuff about Mahomes, Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
What do you want me to say? The obvious?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Is he already the goat?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
No, he's not. By the way, I think Brady's got
almost double the playoff wins, one hundred percent doing it
very quickly. But in fairness, uh, he has Andy Reid
in his prime.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
So Brady had Belichick.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Belichick got fired in Cleveland, had a losing record until
Drew Bletsoll got hurt. And if Bletso doesn't get hurt
and they don't win, Belichick, because he's grumpy, may have
been out.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I think the better question is which dynasty is more likable?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Kansas City? Kansas City. It's creative, it's fun, and he
reads incredibly likable.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Is it fun?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I look at their passing chart yesterday, Pats Maholmes attempted
four passes over fifteen yards.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
It's like hand off the Kareem month.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Some of us get done. Some of us like efficiency, discipline.
You're out there convertible sports car with a tank top on.
Some of us like the family suv arrives on time.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
You're a minivan kind of guy.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, here's what I'll say is that if you think
about the dynasty with Belichick, it was always like do
your job, take a pay cud covert. It was a
lot of things. It was just a big gray factory
of efficiency. When you when I think of Kansas City,
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I think flair fun, creative, Okay, multiple players like.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I well, I remember Patriots is like fifteen plus years.
We're on what like six years of the Chiefs dynasty.
They got.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My opinion is this Chiefs iteration if you should the
best one? No, the best Patriot team's never won a
super Bowl. Randy Moss team's never even won. I think
this team. I'll tell you what is underrated about Kansas City,
this defensive front seven, and a lot of it's because
McDuffie can lock up your best receiver. They are good, dude,
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They got dudes high draft round, got Chris Jones great,
the Purdue kids great? How many Bolton the linebacker? They
they are the best tackling team in the NFL. If
they get their hands on you play over.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Yeah, good luck tackling Saquon Barkley in two weeks. Guys,
Leo Shanal and whoever. These linebackers are ghost Sae, come on,
you got it.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
You're rooting too early. He keeps saying, you like the
guys in red.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I'm like, it's pretty obvious which team that is. Yeah,
I am gonna. I don't you root for greatness? Uh?
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Usually I do with the Warriors.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
That amazing team, the greatest dynasty in sports history. Yes,
Michael George, the Bulls. Hell No, I was a Knicks fan.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Patriots.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
How did you not like the Bulls?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I was a Knicks fan. They tore my heart out
every year. Man, it was, it was.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
It was difficult. It's not like they had to tear
it out. They just poked in the ribs and you
fell over.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Charles Oakley's not falling over. Patrick Hughy was not falling
over you.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Guys don't have a guy who could dependably hit a
seventeen foot jump shot.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
You know, they had John Stark's aka me, who shot
two for eighteen to get in out of a half. Kids.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Final story, Colin, Let's go to the Jets Aaron Glenn
big press conference this morning.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
There he is new Jets head coach. Get excited, Get excited.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Woody Johnson and the GM. I'm kind of fired up.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
There we go Aaron Glenn on his future with the Jets.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
To any players that's here, Now, put your seatbelts on
and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Put your seatbelt zone and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
There are going to be some challenges, but what challenges
becomes opportunity gets opportunity.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
But here's what I do know.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
We're the freaking New York Jets. We're Bill for the
Oh boy, that's some big I want to run through a.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Wall for.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Well.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
He's got a lot of stuff to clean up there.
It's like you buy a what are those houses called
foreclosure house? The Jets have been foreclosed upon. Glenn goes in,
He's looking around.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Oh, we got a lot of work to do here,
lots of work out I'm gonna make.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Should I just unveil my predictions for next year? I
already have this division.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
One out, pre draft, pre free agency. I do the
Jets in.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
There, Bills are winning the division New England. Second's that
was your reaction when I picked Washington to make it?
I know, to Denver to double the vega.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
I mean, it's January twenty seventh and you're calling the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Second, dude, I got six monk drafts done today.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Do you want to do a friendly wager Jets first Patriots?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Next year? WI won so many steak dinners from you.
I own a cattle farm. Serious, I should own my
own steak open up my own steakhouse. I have so
much free meat from you.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
You're as delusional as Aaron Rodgers at this point. I mean, sire,
what steak dinners?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Aeron gled and the Jets will have a better record
than the Patriots next year.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Take it to the bank.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I don't care if it.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Teddy Bridgewater as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I don't care if it's Gus Farott coming out of
the of the ashes and retirement. Were the Jets will
be better than the Patriots next year, that for sure.
Patriots still got a lot of work to do, though.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Go find a Nico Collins at wide receiver. Get a
left tackle. When you draft that high move down, get
a number two. All of a sudden you got a one,
two twos, two threes, five starters. Mazing and the most
caps base in the league. Go buy a left tackle.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
So are you a Patriots fan now?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
No, I'm I'm a fan of obvious. They put down
ten wins right now?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Cook it, Oh my goodness, cooking with gas?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that. The
herd line news it is.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think I'm done with hierarchies. Do I have one
more tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I I.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You know it was funny because I like Philadelphia in
the over I thought it was gonna be high scoring.
Is you do get to You don't have to be
a football savant to see the obvious, like Washington didn't
have a good enough roster, Buffalo was not good enough defensively.
If you just take out the emotion and just watch
the game, watch the speed, watch the like. I think
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a big part of the Kansas City win is Xavier Worthy,
who was just a gadget guy early. It's like, oh,
now he had one hundred yards. Okay, Zave, you're worthy now.
And here's what's interesting. The last couple of years, you've
had your shot at Kansas City because they've been making
it up as they go. A bunch of ham and
eggers at receiver. Now Rashi Rice was a one he's back,
and now Xavier Worthy looks like a one A. And
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you know their tackle. The first thing they're drafting is
an offensive tackle. I can tell you that right now,
they're drafting an offensive tackle. And they may get Connor
Lee from Oregon. There's a kid out of Minnesota. There's
some really good tackles at the bottom of the draft,
and they're getting one of them. So if they can
get left tackle secure in the draft and you're getting
Rashi Rice back with Xavier Worthy. Hey, Baltimore and Buffalo,
(23:32):
you had your moment. You better start sizing the ring
number four in Kansas City. I'll meet the Patriots in
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Speaker 1 (25:05):
Indiana's football programs better than their basketball program now, isn't
it now? Matt Painter and basketball produced good, No question
about that. So I'll say this. When I was watching
the game yesterday, it drove me crazy. Watching Buffalo's insistence
on fourth and one to do the Toush push drove
me crazy. I asked Hasselbeck about it. He did not
(25:29):
like it at all. And I asked Drew Brees about
Buffalo's ideology game plan on fourth and short.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Look, I've always felt that the true quarterback sneak. There
is an art to it. There's an art to finding
the soft spots. At times, you know, you maneuver into
a gap. At times you go over the top. But
I think you have to have some threat that something
else could be coming in order for that to work,
as opposed to just constantly lining up in that formation
(25:59):
and everyone in the world knows what's coming. So I
think a little variety in hindsight, you know, probably would
have been helpful.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, and I you know, we showed the difference between
I mean, look at Josh Allen there, and that's not
the first time he's done that. He's looking to lateral
the ball. That doesn't look like a well oiled, highly
schemed play. It's just kind of Josh with it. It
just doesn't look organized to me. It looks And then
(26:27):
you look at Philadelphia it is better o line. Look
how small Hurts is and this is a guy that's
five eleven and a half and squats six hundred pounds
and so, and then Josh almost looks like a target
at six ' six. So it's you can blame Josh Allen,
but I mean Josh Allen can't even go low. He's
(26:48):
too big. He has to leap over the top. And
is there anything that is more of behold your breath
moment than Josh Allen holding the ball in the air
as he leaps over the line Like that thing just spells,
screams disaster. So I think, in I think situational football,
(27:08):
in these little moments, you want the officials to be perfect.
Why aren't you perfect? I mean McDermott was honest about it.
He's like, you know, we could have done this, we
could have done that. We kind of just feel that
Josh Allen will get it. That's not a good enough
answer because that's not Andy Reid's answer. They perfect everything,
they think of everything. Matt Hasselbeck now Eagles chiefs. Here's
(27:31):
what Matt Hasselbeck is expecting in the super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Philly is rocking right now. I think New Orleans is
going to be rocking for that reason. And there will
be a movement here. You've played great defense, you run
the ball really well at a historic rate.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
You can win a Super Bowl. That is absolutely a.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
Formula that people believe in. And so you could sell
the story like, hey, if you're going to take down
the mighty Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mallins, Andy Reid.
This is how you do it. This is how you
neutralize a great pass rush. Should be a great matchup.
If you love the passing game, you're going for the Chiefs.
If you love the running game, great defense, sound defense,
(28:09):
you know you're going for You're going for the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
So let's j mack. Let's talk about all the dynasties. Now,
some of these are a little old for you. So
when I grew up with the Steelers dynasty, and they
were sort of feared because they were so dominant defensively
in the NFL. Was was a much more violent league
back then. So the Steelers were the first dynasty I
grew up with in the seventies. Terry Bradshaw, mean, Joe Green,
(28:35):
I mean, it was just that they like Philadelphia. You know,
players weren't as mobile back then. They had great players
for years and years. I would say their brand was
sort of feared. They were big, play offensively, over the top, offensively,
they could run with Rocky Blyer and Frank o'harris, but
it was kind of feared. And then Steel Kurtain, the
Steel Curtain, they just kind of. I mean I remember
(28:57):
as a kid. I could be wrong on this, but
I swear to god they had three straight shoutouts at
one point.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
They have Jack Lambert, Lambert and football cards. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah it was they were. They had pros everywhere,
a Wagner on the back end. I mean that was
I can name the whole team. I mean it was
Mike Webster at center, Benny Cunningham, Stalwarts, Swan they were
great sports. And then and then the other dynasty. I remember,
because the seventies NBA, everybody the other dynasty. I I
start to remember, uh, you know again, these will be
(29:28):
out of order, but I I do remember Bill Walsh
and the Niners jump out to me. Now that was
considered sort of an I would say, an intellectual dynasty.
The the the Steelers were physicality, brutality, and they would
squish you. And then the Niners felt like it was pretty,
it was smart, it was intellectual. It was Bill Walsh.
(29:49):
I mean, Joe Montannan didn't have the biggest arm. He
was just the most clutch He was pre Brady, the
most clutched West Coast offense. And then you get again,
I'm not forget college and then I'm just thinking of
dynasties Cowboys, uh, and the Cowboys dynasty was a little
bit of everything. Aikman, Irvin Emmett. So you had to
me it was big plays, it was Aikman down the field,
(30:12):
or it was I would say theirs was based on personality.
I mean, there's books written about so one was for Steelers,
one was Finesse. Then there's the Cowboys, which to me
was more personality and play. I mean Jimmy's personality, Irvin's personality,
big big, you know, Aikman, you know, the good looking kid,
(30:33):
you know. And then you get into New England's and
again that goes back to efficiency, intelligence and sacrifice.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
And and let's not forget Spygate to flight gate.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Those didn't mean anything. The flight gate is nonsense. That's
the dumbest thing of all thought.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
I definitely agree on the.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Other one, Spike, give me a break.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
This up.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
But it just goes to show you the varieties physicality.
With the Steelers, Niners were kind of sophistication.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Finesse, No, they had Roger Craig, no, no.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
No, but it was really considered aspirational, exploratory, cool fun,
cool fun. And then there was the playmaking and the
personality of the Cowboys, and then I think that the
Patriots were the opposite. They were no fun. It was efficiency,
do your job, sacrifice, take a pay cut. And then
I think Kansas City goes back to performance coaching fun
(31:35):
Taylor Swift, Patrick Mahomes like, there's.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
You say that, but remember when they ran the ring
around the Rosie play against the Raiders. There's none of
that this season from the Chiefs. I haven't seen any
of those exciting, fun, wacky plays.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
They're not doing that stuff anymore, are they. I'm just
missing it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, I think when I if you told me there's
a line for every dynasty in football. Steelers was physicality,
Niners was intelligence, Cowboys was personality, Patriots was efficiency, Chiefs creativity.
(32:18):
Reading Mahomes, I listen, I always try to predict the
play when I watch. I have no idea what Kansas
City's doing. I literally, on a third or fourth down,
I have no idea they're throwing to a backup running back.
Yesterday Buffalo, I knew exactly what Buffalo was doing on
their shortyard It's plays exactly. So I think their creativity,
(32:39):
I mean they veil stuff. I mean Patrick Mahomes averages
four rushing attempts a game. In the record season, he
had eleven yesterday.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
You keep banging on the Bills shortyard is They did
go four for six on fourth down.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
They were pretty damn good on four six on fourth down.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Obviously they missed the sushy pushies.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Weren't so good. We'll see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thirteen time pro bowler, super Bowl champ two decades in
the NFL, Drew Brees drops by and we always appreciate it.
So we got a couple games to break down. Let's
just start. Let's start with a big one that's viewed
as sort of the kind of the rivalry, the Ali Fraser,
the McGregor, Nate dis I mean, you get these Bills chiefs.
(00:45):
They all kind of look the same. And it's funny
because we've kind of lumped Mahomes into Okay, he's the
winner and Josh isn't. But Josh played pretty darn well.
The thing that bothered me and I think you had
the advantage, like Mahomes know how much of an advantage,
but it is great to have an offensive guy who
sees the world like you do, like like Andy and Sean.
(01:06):
I was a little bothered by all these push pushes
for a sex seven quarterback leaping into the air, and
I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, he's a pinata. I mean,
when you see that, did you love that? As a
fourth and one call repeatedly over and over again? For Buffalo, it.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Certainly felt repetitive, and especially in the fact that it
wasn't working right as well as as probably they expected.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
You know, it's been it's been automatic.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
For the Eagles here for the last couple of years,
and then obviously a Buffalo kind of adopted the same strategy,
And in large part that's because they all have big,
physical offensive lines and they have a big, physical, strong
quarterback that can typically, you know, maneuver his way through
and get the first down. Look, I've always felt that
the true quarterback sneak. There is an art to it. Yeah,
(02:02):
there's an art to finding the soft spots. At times, you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Know, you maneuver into a gap, at times you go
over the top.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But I think you have to have some threat that
something else could be coming in order for that to work,
as opposed to just constantly lining up in that formation
and everyone in the world knows what's coming. So I
think a little variety in hindsight, you know, probably would
have been helpful in a lot of cases. That's also
when as an offensive play caller, you know you have
(02:31):
an opportunity for a big play. You know that the
defense is going to be selling out into the gaps.
Maybe you sneak a little tight end to layout, or
you get a pick route, you know with your running back.
It's what the Chiefs do so well in these third
and short, fourth and short situations. You know, get these
linebackers picks, sneak it back out into the flat, and
you saw it at least a few times in the
game from their perspective, so obviously in hindsight, you know
(02:55):
they since it didn't work, you know, it probably could
have been a better shad.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know, it's interesting, I feel like Mahomes and Red
are actually more aggressive in these big spots. They're almost
liberated by it, almost like Okay, if we lose, we're out,
let's empty the playbook. Go back to your big games
with Sean. Is there a feeling when you get to
sudden death football? Hey guys, this is something we probably
not gonna show earlier. Do you unveil new tricks because
(03:23):
it potentially is the last game of the year.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Look, in most cases, your best opportunities to make big
plays is in those those situations because in most cases,
the defense is taking away the things that they know
you're gonna try to hit them with the normal down
in distances, they're gonna make you earn it. They're gonna
make you just take completion after completion, be really flawless
(03:48):
in your execution. It's when you get to those third
and fourth down moments in critical situations where you know
you're gonna get.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Manned to man.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You know you're gonna have the opportunity for that matchup,
or you're gonna be able to kind of break out
that wrinkle that gets a guy you know, busted loose,
or you kind of set that pick or you know
a little bit of that trickery to get their eyes.
Like that's the Chiefs do that better than anybody in
every In every one of those situations, you.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Can tell it's so well thought out.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I mean, it's the Andy Reid special, Like we're gonna
get some kind of a man's own read. Like look
what the play that sealed the game at the end
when they threw it to p Ryan in the flat,
they motion two guys over Goden reset.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
You see that it's man to man, and then.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You run those guys across to set a natural pick
on the backer and you sneak the back out. We
used to call it snake because it's impossible to cover
for that guy, and so he just deals it to Pran.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
He goes and gets fifteen yards. They win the game.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Like I've seen that five times from them this year, right,
And if it's not that, then it's this. Hey, we're
going to sell the line one way and we're gonna
sneak the back out of the backfield. We're gonna set
a pick, you know, with kind of a down block,
and here springs, you know, Pacheco. Like it's it's time
after time. Just this, Like it's just great execution. I mean,
it's great game planning. It's very QB friendly, honestly, because
(05:04):
because you're giving in man's own reads. With the way
that you move receivers or motion shift, you identify matchups
and then you execute.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You won your Super Bowl in your ninth year. This
is a seventh year for Josh Allen. The kid was
so devastated after I just, I mean, I feel so
bad for him. What is it like take your worst
loss of your career. How gutting is it, Drew? What
does it do to you mentally for the next couple
of weeks? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Well, I'd say this for Josh Allen a couple of
years ago when they lost in the divisional round to
the Chiefs, when he led his team down and scored
with was it thirteen seconds left?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Eighteen seconds left?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, and then the Chiefs went two plays later kicked
the field go to tiet go too ot and then
they went down, scored and never gave Josh the opportunity
to get back on the field. That's when they changed
the overtime rule in the playoffs to give both qbs
an opportunity. Yeah, Josh Allen in that moment at that time,
played as well as he could have played. Gave us
a chance, team the best chance to win at the end.
(06:01):
I mean, thirteen seconds you should win the game, right,
just stop him poor defensive coverage, you know, to give
them the opportunity to go keep the fielder in this game,
Josh did everything he possibly could to put him in
a position to win.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
At the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean credit credit to Spags I mean that was
an unbelievable pressure disguise and execution on that fourth down play.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But for Josh Allen to by time launch that ball.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
To Kinkaid, I mean very few qbs would have the
wherewithal to extend that play, find the guy and get
the ball out down the field like that.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
It was.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You couldn't have done it any better, and the guy
drops it, you know. So so I look at two
opportunities where the Bills are on their way to the
Super Bowl if other guys could just do their job
right and and make the play. The QB did everything
he could do, you know. So that's the disappointing part. Like,
that's the part that hurts.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Man.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It takes everybody, you know, it takes everybody executing in
order to give you that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I mean, look look at the Chiefs this year.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Like the Chiefs, we talk about Mahomes is late game
playmaking ability and just championship DNA, and that is absolutely
the truth. But the Chiefs defense has come up in
about seven different games where they stopped the opposing offense
from going down and scoring to win the game, or
(07:31):
they got to stop in order to get the ball
back to Mahomes so that he could go down and
win the game.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So it takes everybody.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, Spags is hyper aggressive. He almost seems to ratchet
it up when he faces Lamar, when he faces Josh Allen,
go to your career, how do you Jalen hers? Now,
Jalen's got a great old line. But pressure is pressure.
You know, sometimes they bring more than you can block.
What was your belief when you knew you were in
(08:00):
a face of coordinator who aired on the side of
aggressive are there? Did you like that? Did you relish it?
Did you see that as opportunities? Did it put extra
stress on you?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
So?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I look it was it was a bit of a
nightmare for the week in regards to preparation and planning.
And you knew this, like you know this going into
a game with Fags. If you are in third and
long too much in this game, you don't have a chance,
right because he is so good at the disguise and
(08:33):
he's so good at getting an overload and getting a
free rusher that you're then just in a situation where
men you just have to get lucky that you can
make that guy miss or you can buy enough time
in order to find somebody open down the field. You
have to stay ahead of the chains against Fags, and
(08:53):
that is something that Philly does very very well because
of their ability to run the football with Saquon and
just the dynamic that Jalen Hurts gives that often similar
to Lamar Jackson gives to Baltimore, where the QB almost
becomes an extra blocker in the run game because you
have to account for him and his ability to run
the football. He takes a defender out of the mix
(09:13):
and then typically leaves Saquon with a one on one,
you know, situation in the open field, which Saquon has
been waiting most of the time this year. And then
they stay ahead of the chains with their play action.
And they've got two great matchups outside with Devanti Smith.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
And aj Brown.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So if if Philly cannot stay ahead of the chains,
they do not have a chance in this game because
they are not a drop back passing team. So if
they're in a bunch of third and lungs, no chance
against this Bag's defense. They have to stay ahead of
the chains, and that's something they typically do very well.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
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Speaker 1 (09:56):
Finally, in a salary cap sport, it is hard to
create a roster like Philly. I think it's the best
I've seen in maybe seven to eight nine years. San
Francisco was really good about three years ago, but I
don't think they had this kind of offensive line where
you've got four Pro Bowl level players. What was the
I mean, so Kansas City's facing a roster there's a
(10:17):
star in every unit, there's two star guards. What was
the most talented team you faced? You looked across and thought,
they got better dudes than we do. We can still win,
but they got better dudes.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Maybe you know that legion of Legion of Boom Seattle defense.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, back in you know twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen was
really unprecedented when you look at every position. I mean
it was a Pro Bowl, all pro helper person at
every single position. So what they did to drafts and
then develop those guys was was was remarkable.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
But I look at the.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Eagles, and you know, I looked at their free agent acquisitions.
Say On Barkley, Obviously he was a great player prior
to coming to Philly, but this just elevated he needing more.
I would, I would, I would equate a lot to
what going to Baltimore did for Derrick Henry. You know,
you combine him with a guy like Lamar and it's
just gonna open up more and more opportunities. And sure
enough he had a stellar MVP, you know, caliber season,
(11:18):
just like Saquon did. But it's guys like Zach Bond,
linebacker they signed from the New Orleans Saints, who is
mainly a special teams player.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
With Normans, I played with Zach. He was like, third
fourth round.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Pick from Wisconsin, comes in, He's just gonna play, be
a four course special teams guy, backup linebacker behind to
Mario Davis and some of these other studs. But many's
gonna learn, he's gonna work, and he's gonna be prepared
when his opportunity comes. And sure enough it comes in
Philly and he becomes an All Pro player.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Right CJ. Gardner Johnson, he was a teammate in.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Mine too in New Orleans, a guy that I loved,
the teammate, Absolutely hate going up against him because of
his mouth. But bottom line is the dude can play, right,
and then they found to roll for him, right and
he he fulfills it very very well.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Slay. They got an elite corner right like like they
just they have a.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Pass lush, They just have all these elite pieces that
they put together.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
But a lot of that's, man, the way you draft,
the way you developed.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
The way you go identify free agents that they're gonna
fill rolls for you.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah. Yeah, that Seattle team, they were pretty good, and
they were all in their prime. They were young, twitchy, fast.
You had Sherman, You had Earl Thomas. Yeah that was
Cam Chancellor on that.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Cam Chancellor, dude. You had Cliff April, you had Michael Bennett,
got everybody, every one of them was a pro bowler.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, Drew Brees as always, my man, appreciate you stopping by,
all right. Yeah, Yeah, that Seattle team was stacked. And
then on the offense, you had Russell Wilson in his prime,
Marshawn Lynch. I remember they went out and got uh
Percy Harvin because they had Russell Wilson was on his
rookie contract. So they went and got Cliff Averil I
(12:59):
think he was I think he was in Detroit. They're like,
let's just go buy a good pass rusher. Let's just
go buy Percy Harvin. And Harvin had migraine headaches, so
they didn't He didn't get used a lot, but you
were like they had because Russell was on that rookie contract.
They had the combination of Pete Carroll right out of college,
drafting brilliantly on mid round players who be game Hall
of Fame level players, Cam Chanceller, you know, Richard Sherman.
(13:22):
And then all of a sudden, you had the ability
because you weren't paying anybody, Let's go buy Cliff Averell,
Let's go buy Percy Harvin. That team was stacked. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Now this is the headline news, all right.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
So Bear's head coach Ben Johnson starting to fill out
his staff. He landed former Saints head coach Dennis Allen
to be the defensive coordinator, and then he plucked this
twenty eight year old gentleman named Declan Doyle, who I'd
never heard of in my life, to be the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I'm assuming Ben's gonna call plays. Yeah, this guy will
just gonna be a coordinator. Doyle started his career.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
As a student assistant at Iowa in twenty sixteen, spent
some time on Sean Payton's staff in New Orleans, and
was a tight ends coach for the Broncos.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
I don't know, he's I think that.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
You know what I like about that. You know he's
not going anywhere for four years. Well he's twenty eight.
Well that's what I'm saying. So he's hiring a guy.
He's going to be his mentor. Ben's gonna call plays.
But he's hiring a guy. And there's two benefits to it.
This guy's not gonna be a one and done. He's
not gonna be looking for jobs constantly. And secondly, it
starts Maybe this is vanity, but it starts your tree.
(14:35):
And so I like the idea. That's why Spags is
such a great hire for Andy Reid is probably not
going to get a second chance because his first as
a head coach was a miss.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
That's a great point. So Dennis Allen, I don't he won't.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Get another head job. He will, No, no, no, no, he won't.
So that's a great hire too. So Dennis Allen, he's
gonna stay with you as long as he performs. Dennis
Allen's not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Well, he's fifty two, so he's a little younger than Spags.
But man, I just looked up his head. Now he
struggled with the Raiders and the.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Saints twenty six and fifty three.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
This, I'll tell you what. This is really smart by
Ben Johnson. So I'm gonna hire a defensive guy who's
respected but has failed twice as a head coach. No turnover,
no turn on. Then I'm gonna hire an offensive guy.
I'm calling plays anyway. I know I'm not gonna get
any turnover. So You've got two coordinators. So for the
duration of your contract, is it four or five years,
(15:25):
you're gonna have the same coordinator. I like that.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
That's interesting.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
So Dennis Allen had car in with the Raiders and
then with the Saints. Is there a world where Dennis
Allen thinks, hey, I just never got my quarterbacks, so
I never had.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
A fair shake. Nobody in the league thinks that.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
I mean you, and I don't think that does Dennis Allen.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Doesn't matter what Dennis thinks. He's not going to be
offered a head coaching job. He got two shots. He
was bad at both.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
I always say that about Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But here we are, all right.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Next story is Patrick Mahomes and the chance at a
three pt Kansas City two straight super Bowl victories.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
They're going for a third.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Mahomes is not letting the weight of the moment impact
his preparation.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
I'll put so every single every single season as its
own season, and every team's different.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You get new.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Guys, you get guys that have to step up in
different roles, and so I just I just go about
my business and just try to prepare everybody to be
in the best possible situations to succeed. And obviously it'll
be awesome. I think it'll be something I look back
at the end of my career if we're able to
to go out there and get that repeat. But at
the same time, you just treat it as one season
in a one super Bowl run, which is which is
always harder to.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Go ahead, go ahead, and you want to say great
stuff about Mahomes, Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
What do you want me to say? The obvious?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Is he already the goat?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
No, he's not. By the way, I think Brady's got
almost double the playoff wins, one hundred percent doing it
very quickly. But in fairness, uh, he has Andy Reid
in his prime.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
So Brady had Belichick.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Belichick got fired in Cleveland, had a losing record until
Drew Bletsoll got hurt. And if Bletso doesn't get hurt
and they don't win, Belichick, because he's grumpy, may have
been out.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I think the better question is which dynasty is more likable?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Kansas City? Kansas City. It's creative, it's fun, and he
reads incredibly likable.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Is it fun?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
I look at their passing chart yesterday, Pats Maholmes attempted
four passes over fifteen yards.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
It's like hand off the Kareem month.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Some of us get done. Some of us like efficiency, discipline.
You're out there convertible sports car with a tank top on.
Some of us like the family suv arrives on time.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
You're a minivan kind of guy.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, here's what I'll say is that if you think
about the dynasty with Belichick, it was always like do
your job, take a pay cud covert. It was a
lot of things. It was just a big gray factory
of efficiency. When you when I think of Kansas City,
(18:02):
I think flair fun, creative, Okay, multiple players like.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I well, I remember Patriots is like fifteen plus years.
We're on what like six years of the Chiefs dynasty.
They got.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My opinion is this Chiefs iteration if you should the
best one? No, the best Patriot team's never won a
super Bowl. Randy Moss team's never even won. I think
this team. I'll tell you what is underrated about Kansas City,
this defensive front seven, and a lot of it's because
McDuffie can lock up your best receiver. They are good, dude,
(18:38):
They got dudes high draft round, got Chris Jones great,
the Purdue kids great? How many Bolton the linebacker? They
they are the best tackling team in the NFL. If
they get their hands on you play over.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Yeah, good luck tackling Saquon Barkley in two weeks. Guys,
Leo Shanal and whoever. These linebackers are ghost Sae, come on,
you got it.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
You're rooting too early. He keeps saying, you like the
guys in red.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I'm like, it's pretty obvious which team that is. Yeah,
I am gonna. I don't you root for greatness? Uh?
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Usually I do with the Warriors.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
That amazing team, the greatest dynasty in sports history. Yes,
Michael George, the Bulls. Hell No, I was a Knicks fan.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Patriots.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
How did you not like the Bulls?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I was a Knicks fan. They tore my heart out
every year. Man, it was, it was.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
It was difficult. It's not like they had to tear
it out. They just poked in the ribs and you
fell over.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Charles Oakley's not falling over. Patrick Hughy was not falling
over you.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Guys don't have a guy who could dependably hit a
seventeen foot jump shot.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
You know, they had John Stark's aka me, who shot
two for eighteen to get in out of a half. Kids.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Final story, Colin, Let's go to the Jets Aaron Glenn
big press conference this morning.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
There he is new Jets head coach. Get excited, Get excited.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Woody Johnson and the GM. I'm kind of fired up.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
There we go Aaron Glenn on his future with the Jets.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
To any players that's here, Now, put your seatbelts on
and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Put your seatbelt zone and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
There are going to be some challenges, but what challenges
becomes opportunity gets opportunity.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
But here's what I do know.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
We're the freaking New York Jets. We're Bill for the
Oh boy, that's some big I want to run through a.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Wall for.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Well.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
He's got a lot of stuff to clean up there.
It's like you buy a what are those houses called
foreclosure house? The Jets have been foreclosed upon. Glenn goes in,
He's looking around.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Oh, we got a lot of work to do here,
lots of work out I'm gonna make.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Should I just unveil my predictions for next year? I
already have this division.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
One out, pre draft, pre free agency. I do the
Jets in.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
There, Bills are winning the division New England. Second's that
was your reaction when I picked Washington to make it?
I know, to Denver to double the vega.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
I mean, it's January twenty seventh and you're calling the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Second, dude, I got six monk drafts done today.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Do you want to do a friendly wager Jets first Patriots?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Next year? WI won so many steak dinners from you.
I own a cattle farm. Serious, I should own my
own steak open up my own steakhouse. I have so
much free meat from you.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
You're as delusional as Aaron Rodgers at this point. I mean, sire,
what steak dinners?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Aeron gled and the Jets will have a better record
than the Patriots next year.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Take it to the bank.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I don't care if it.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Teddy Bridgewater as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I don't care if it's Gus Farott coming out of
the of the ashes and retirement. Were the Jets will
be better than the Patriots next year, that for sure.
Patriots still got a lot of work to do, though.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Go find a Nico Collins at wide receiver. Get a
left tackle. When you draft that high move down, get
a number two. All of a sudden you got a one,
two twos, two threes, five starters. Mazing and the most
caps base in the league. Go buy a left tackle.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
So are you a Patriots fan now?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
No, I'm I'm a fan of obvious. They put down
ten wins right now?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Cook it, Oh my goodness, cooking with gas?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that. The
herd line news it is.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think I'm done with hierarchies. Do I have one
more tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I I.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You know it was funny because I like Philadelphia in
the over I thought it was gonna be high scoring.
Is you do get to You don't have to be
a football savant to see the obvious, like Washington didn't
have a good enough roster, Buffalo was not good enough defensively.
If you just take out the emotion and just watch
the game, watch the speed, watch the like. I think
(22:46):
a big part of the Kansas City win is Xavier Worthy,
who was just a gadget guy early. It's like, oh,
now he had one hundred yards. Okay, Zave, you're worthy now.
And here's what's interesting. The last couple of years, you've
had your shot at Kansas City because they've been making
it up as they go. A bunch of ham and
eggers at receiver. Now Rashi Rice was a one he's back,
and now Xavier Worthy looks like a one A. And
(23:09):
you know their tackle. The first thing they're drafting is
an offensive tackle. I can tell you that right now,
they're drafting an offensive tackle. And they may get Connor
Lee from Oregon. There's a kid out of Minnesota. There's
some really good tackles at the bottom of the draft,
and they're getting one of them. So if they can
get left tackle secure in the draft and you're getting
Rashi Rice back with Xavier Worthy. Hey, Baltimore and Buffalo,
(23:32):
you had your moment. You better start sizing the ring
number four in Kansas City. I'll meet the Patriots in
the Super Bowl or the AFC Championship. Keep your eye
on New England Live in l Ansler.
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Speaker 1 (25:05):
Indiana's football programs better than their basketball program now, isn't
it now? Matt Painter and basketball produced good, No question
about that. So I'll say this. When I was watching
the game yesterday, it drove me crazy. Watching Buffalo's insistence
on fourth and one to do the Toush push drove
me crazy. I asked Hasselbeck about it. He did not
(25:29):
like it at all. And I asked Drew Brees about
Buffalo's ideology game plan on fourth and short.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Look, I've always felt that the true quarterback sneak. There
is an art to it. There's an art to finding
the soft spots. At times, you know, you maneuver into
a gap. At times you go over the top. But
I think you have to have some threat that something
else could be coming in order for that to work,
as opposed to just constantly lining up in that formation
(25:59):
and everyone in the world knows what's coming. So I
think a little variety in hindsight, you know, probably would
have been helpful.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, and I you know, we showed the difference between
I mean, look at Josh Allen there, and that's not
the first time he's done that. He's looking to lateral
the ball. That doesn't look like a well oiled, highly
schemed play. It's just kind of Josh with it. It
just doesn't look organized to me. It looks And then
(26:27):
you look at Philadelphia it is better o line. Look
how small Hurts is and this is a guy that's
five eleven and a half and squats six hundred pounds
and so, and then Josh almost looks like a target
at six ' six. So it's you can blame Josh Allen,
but I mean Josh Allen can't even go low. He's
(26:48):
too big. He has to leap over the top. And
is there anything that is more of behold your breath
moment than Josh Allen holding the ball in the air
as he leaps over the line Like that thing just spells,
screams disaster. So I think, in I think situational football,
(27:08):
in these little moments, you want the officials to be perfect.
Why aren't you perfect? I mean McDermott was honest about it.
He's like, you know, we could have done this, we
could have done that. We kind of just feel that
Josh Allen will get it. That's not a good enough
answer because that's not Andy Reid's answer. They perfect everything,
they think of everything. Matt Hasselbeck now Eagles chiefs. Here's
(27:31):
what Matt Hasselbeck is expecting in the super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Philly is rocking right now. I think New Orleans is
going to be rocking for that reason. And there will
be a movement here. You've played great defense, you run
the ball really well at a historic rate.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
You can win a Super Bowl. That is absolutely a.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
Formula that people believe in. And so you could sell
the story like, hey, if you're going to take down
the mighty Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mallins, Andy Reid.
This is how you do it. This is how you
neutralize a great pass rush. Should be a great matchup.
If you love the passing game, you're going for the Chiefs.
If you love the running game, great defense, sound defense,
(28:09):
you know you're going for You're going for the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
So let's j mack. Let's talk about all the dynasties. Now,
some of these are a little old for you. So
when I grew up with the Steelers dynasty, and they
were sort of feared because they were so dominant defensively
in the NFL. Was was a much more violent league
back then. So the Steelers were the first dynasty I
grew up with in the seventies. Terry Bradshaw, mean, Joe Green,
(28:35):
I mean, it was just that they like Philadelphia. You know,
players weren't as mobile back then. They had great players
for years and years. I would say their brand was
sort of feared. They were big, play offensively, over the top, offensively,
they could run with Rocky Blyer and Frank o'harris, but
it was kind of feared. And then Steel Kurtain, the
Steel Curtain, they just kind of. I mean I remember
(28:57):
as a kid. I could be wrong on this, but
I swear to god they had three straight shoutouts at
one point.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
They have Jack Lambert, Lambert and football cards. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah it was they were. They had pros everywhere,
a Wagner on the back end. I mean that was
I can name the whole team. I mean it was
Mike Webster at center, Benny Cunningham, Stalwarts, Swan they were
great sports. And then and then the other dynasty. I remember,
because the seventies NBA, everybody the other dynasty. I I
start to remember, uh, you know again, these will be
(29:28):
out of order, but I I do remember Bill Walsh
and the Niners jump out to me. Now that was
considered sort of an I would say, an intellectual dynasty.
The the the Steelers were physicality, brutality, and they would
squish you. And then the Niners felt like it was pretty,
it was smart, it was intellectual. It was Bill Walsh.
(29:49):
I mean, Joe Montannan didn't have the biggest arm. He
was just the most clutch He was pre Brady, the
most clutched West Coast offense. And then you get again,
I'm not forget college and then I'm just thinking of
dynasties Cowboys, uh, and the Cowboys dynasty was a little
bit of everything. Aikman, Irvin Emmett. So you had to
me it was big plays, it was Aikman down the field,
(30:12):
or it was I would say theirs was based on personality.
I mean, there's books written about so one was for Steelers,
one was Finesse. Then there's the Cowboys, which to me
was more personality and play. I mean Jimmy's personality, Irvin's personality,
big big, you know, Aikman, you know, the good looking kid,
(30:33):
you know. And then you get into New England's and
again that goes back to efficiency, intelligence and sacrifice.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
And and let's not forget Spygate to flight gate.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Those didn't mean anything. The flight gate is nonsense. That's
the dumbest thing of all thought.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
I definitely agree on the.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Other one, Spike, give me a break.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
This up.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
But it just goes to show you the varieties physicality.
With the Steelers, Niners were kind of sophistication.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Finesse, No, they had Roger Craig, no, no.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
No, but it was really considered aspirational, exploratory, cool fun,
cool fun. And then there was the playmaking and the
personality of the Cowboys, and then I think that the
Patriots were the opposite. They were no fun. It was efficiency,
do your job, sacrifice, take a pay cut. And then
I think Kansas City goes back to performance coaching fun
(31:35):
Taylor Swift, Patrick Mahomes like, there's.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
You say that, but remember when they ran the ring
around the Rosie play against the Raiders. There's none of
that this season from the Chiefs. I haven't seen any
of those exciting, fun, wacky plays.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
They're not doing that stuff anymore, are they. I'm just
missing it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, I think when I if you told me there's
a line for every dynasty in football. Steelers was physicality,
Niners was intelligence, Cowboys was personality, Patriots was efficiency, Chiefs creativity.
(32:18):
Reading Mahomes, I listen, I always try to predict the
play when I watch. I have no idea what Kansas
City's doing. I literally, on a third or fourth down,
I have no idea they're throwing to a backup running back.
Yesterday Buffalo, I knew exactly what Buffalo was doing on
their shortyard It's plays exactly. So I think their creativity,
(32:39):
I mean they veil stuff. I mean Patrick Mahomes averages
four rushing attempts a game. In the record season, he
had eleven yesterday.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
You keep banging on the Bills shortyard is They did
go four for six on fourth down.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
They were pretty damn good on four six on fourth down.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Obviously they missed the sushy pushies.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Weren't so good. We'll see you tomorrow.
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