January 27, 2025 • 30 mins
Colin discusses the Chiefs getting another win over the Bills in the AFC Championship and how Kansas City shines in the biggest moments while Buffalo seems to shrink. He tells you why he was right about Eagles running back Saquon Barkley and wrong about former Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy. Plus, Super Bowl champion Drew Brees joins the show to explain why he didn't like the Bills offensive approach with quarterback Josh Allen against the Chiefs
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we Go on a big Monday. Super Bowl is
now set live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Jmac. A lot
of America down trodden heads are hanging the outcome they
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were hoping what not happen has happened. I got a
picture send to me of mahomes with three rings, and
I can feel America's tension. Well, I had pressure going up.
I wore Buffalo Blue on Monday, just four out for
the builds are rough with unlucky ause. I like the
say well, I look at the box score after the
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game and it was clearly two very even teams. Total yards, rushing, penalties,
time of possession, fourth down efficiency, first downs, these were
two very even teams with two A plus quarterbacks. But
here is where I continue to see a different and
boy did I see it yesterday. Kansas City is liberated
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by pressure. They're more aggressive, They're more free, They're more aggressive.
Patrick Mahomes averages four rushes a game in the regular season.
Yesterday he had eleven. Mahomes runs more often, runs more aggressively,
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a season high in carries. Does it make any sense
that Kansas City scored over thirty points for the first
time all season? Where Sean McDermott, the defensive wizard as
a head coach in big games, spags the defensive coordinator,
takes bigger risks. Andy Reid in the big games has
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us all guessing even more than usual with his clever
play design and play calling. It's like Mahomes is allowed
to finally be free. Like when our parents every summer
for a couple of days would say, no curfew tonight,
just be safe, your friends are in town. That's what
Mahomes plays like. They are liberated by the pressure. It's
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a blessing. They love it, take bigger swings and risks.
It's almost as if Kansas City is bored by the
tedium of the regular season and the playoffs is an
opportunity to show you the entire playbook because they know
they get two weeks off for the next game. And
yet Buffalo, to at least some degree, once again against
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the Chiefs, feels a little burdened by the pressure, a
little tight. They change who they are a little like
Baltimore doves against Mahomes, I mean Tony Romo. On that
first drive, Josh Allen almost had two interceptions. Romo admitted
on the air that was nerves. In the second half, Buffalo,
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a high powered offense, ran sixteen of the first seventeen plays.
Would any Reid ever do that with Josh Allen on
fourth down? Apparently, offensive coordinator Joe Brady only has a
single play in his playbook, despite having an excellent star
running back in James Cook, having an excellent backup running
back in Davis, Joe Brady decided, our only play on
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fourth down is to hand it to our six to
seven quarterback and have him leap into the air, which
is always a vulnerable spot for a tall player. The
Chiefs expand in the playoffs, they expand, and the Bills
feel like, to some degree they contract the Chiefs rise
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to the moment, and Buffalo at least situationally feels like
they shrink. Again, the box score has two excellent teams,
but on the biggest defensive play, Spags had a corner
blitz and on those big fourth down tush pushes where
Buffalo was two for five, Jim Nance acknowledged that Kansas
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City had told them in a production meeting. Yeah, he
likes to run left. One team on the biggest plays.
Was a bit predictable, even more than a bit Josh
Allen fourth down again, James Cook on that final Buffalo
drive never touched the ball. And if Buffalo, I know
it's the refs, right, it's such a tired act. I
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heard that for twenty years on the Patriots dynasty. Yes,
the league wanted jammed up in the northeast, New England
to dominate the league and now small market Kansas City.
Please have them dominate all the games. Remember pre Taylor
Swift they had Super Bowls. Right, So if Buffalo doesn't
recover all four of their fumbles, I wonder if it's close.
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They've had the lead in all four games against Kansas
City in the playoffs, and yet here's Mahomes and I
noticed this yesterday. It reminded me of Tiger Woods an MJ.
He's got that red on in a big Sunday game.
And Mahomes, as great as he is, elevates and expands
in these games. And Josh Allen and the Bills and
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Sean McDermott, they just shrink a little. Seventeen straight one
possession wins. You think it's the Zebras. Sean McDermott supposed
to be a defensive mastermind. Why does Kansas City score
over thirty points for the first time all season? They
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didn't look like that last weekdagainst Demiko Ryans. They struggled
to move the ball last week against Houston. Why because
to my initial point, in these big games, MJ. Tiger
on a Sunday, Mahomes yesterday, they get a show off.
There's no curfew. Do what you have to do, there's
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no tomorrow. They scored their most points. Mahomes had his
season high in carries. From the first organized and efficient
and lethal drive of the game until the last. They
were a better team on the biggest plays. First drive
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for Buffalo, aimless last drives. Dalton Kinkaid drops a ball
James Cook never touches it. Why not because I know
the why and I know the what, and that's always
Kansas City in these moments being the best version of
themselves and all year long, I said, Buffalo is the
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best team. But if you shrink six, eight, nine, twelve percent,
you're not going to arrowhead and winning. And here's Josh
Allen after.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's not fun, but to beat the champion, to be
the champion, to beat the champs, and we didn't do
it tonight. You can either get it done or you can't,
and we didn't get it done.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So I will say this. As I was watching Philadelphia
beat Washington, my first take was Kansas City matches up
pretty well with Philadelphia. Buffalo does not. So heartbreak was
going to happen yesterday or Super Bowl. Buffalo, be thankful
because you're not stopping this run game. Let's be honest
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about Washington. What we saw is what we all thought
could happen. Washington ran out of juice. They were missing
their best O line and D lineman, and they have
elite talent everywhere. I mean, you forget that. DeVante Smith
is on the team for Philadelphia, a Heisman winner at receiver,
You're like, they have to engineer plays jet sweeps to
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get him the ball. He'd be a number one receiver
on a third to a half of the teams in
the NFL. You forget he's on the team. Their third
string running back peels off a big win. The Eagles
feel like one of those Bama Georgia teams that just
had more five star athletes. I mean, they've run for
three two hundred plus yards in all their playoff wins.
Doesn't that sound sort of like a dominant college team.
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The first two drives of the game told the story.
Washington had that Notre Dame feel. Eighteen plays and they
settle for a field goal. Philadelphia is like, yeah, that's cool.
First play Eagles Saquon Barkley sixty yards. Momentum completely and
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absolutely erased. We all kind of knew yesterday was really possible.
Philadelphia is better. They are a green wall of talent.
In fact, I'm trying to think of a team in
the last eight to ten years that has as much
talent as Philadelphia. Elite players four on the offensive line,
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one or two at wide receiver, one at tight end.
I mean, we don't even like their coach, and we
don't think they're quarterback's top five or six. And they're
still double digit leads on Washington, on the Rams, on
the Packers. Washington was down two valuable linemen. They've got
two great players, Terry McLaurin and Jaden Daniels, and they're
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going to be back in this game multiple times in
the next ten years. But Philadelphia is so well constructed
that at the two key positions in pro football quarterback
and coach, we've got our doubts, and they still bulldoze people.
Double digit leads, double digit wins. It's what they do.
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Here's saque after.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I ain't gonna lot.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Ti that, don't play it in my head, but it's
this amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It's amazing. We're here super Bowl. But the goal wasn't
just getting there.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
The gos to win, and we're gonna celebrate and enjoy
this and get right back.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
To work again. Jayden Daniels is going to be in
this Puppy a lot over the next ten years. That's
not even a doubt. They got cap space. They need
one to two more drafts, but it's not time for Washington,
not time at all. Philadelphia has more talent. Kansas City
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has a decided advantage at quarterback and head coach in
the Super Bowl. I like the Chiefs. I doubted them.
Friday had Buffalo winning twenty eight twenty seven. My bad,
say it out loud, Bill's Chiefs, McDermott, Reid at Arrowhead.
I was on the wrong side for at least one
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of the games.
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Speaker 1 (11:00):
Here we Go. Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday,
plenty of both.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Where Colin was right, I.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Said when Saquon Barkley, I said it March eleventh, He's
going to be gigantic for Philadelphia because of their wide
receiving talent and because of their own line. You won't
be able to jam the box. Those safeties will have
to play outside, and Barkley's going to have record setting years.
If you look at the mobility of Hurts an offensive coach,
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they're a line, they're wide receiving talent. It's just absolutely unthinkable.
The New York Giants rolled the dice and let Saquon Barkley.
March eleventh, I said it people don't like paying running backs.
I would pay running backs. Fletcher Cox left the game,
they had some money. I was a huge fan of
the move, not just because remember at the time, everybody
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was like, whoa running backs? Barkley was the perfect fit,
the icing on a great cake.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Friday, I said, Kansas City, Jig is up twenty eight,
twenty seven, Buffalo. They're too talented, and I thought they
were And if dalton Kin Kaig catches that ball, they
could still win. But this reductionist fourth and one Josh
Allen gets the ball every time. Stuff doesn't work for
me at all. And in the end, once again Mahomes
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read in spags elevate expand not contract. In the playoffs
where Colin was right, I like Sean McDermott. I think
he's Mike McCarthy on the defensive side of the ball.
But good coaches don't win against great quarterbacks and coaches.
I said this in big games, where's his defense against
Kansas City? They're scoring thirty five points every time these
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two teams meet in the playoffs. I also think he
gets tight. I also think on those fourth and ones
it felt like they were just sort of ad libbing
it and letting Josh do what Josh needed to be done.
I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I'm wrong on Nick Sirianni. I don't like the method.
But players love him, Philly loves him, City loves him,
and the GM and the coach love him. His playoff
record now is five and three. He has had multiple coordinators.
He may be more coordinator driven than a lot of coaches,
but he's an emotional guy that lives on the edge,
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and the team in the locker room respond to him,
and that's really what coaching is. The Lions respond to
Dan Campbell, the Chargers respond to Jim Harbaugh. So much
of this sport is taking alpha male pro athletes and
do they buy into the messaging? And in Philadelphia with
Nick Siriani, I was wrong. They do every Sunday. Where
Colin was right, I predicted when Brian Schottenheimer news came out,
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I said, if he gets hired, this is going to
be met with utter outrage and dismay. This will not
just be a mediocre coaching higher fourteen years as a coordinator,
first time he's been even discussed as a head coach
and Jerry Jones did a ten pm Friday news dump
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for those that were awake. It was met with outrage
in the Cowboy community and beyond. This is just not
a good enough higher.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I thought Xavier Worthy of Kansas City, who had a
season high in yards, I thought as a first round pick,
he'd probably end up being a gadget guy. Four or
five plays a game yesterday, over one hundred yards of
TD seven targets. He felt like yesterday he can be
either at number one, whether Rashi Rice or a one A.
But Kansas City, and this is what they're prone to do.
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They tend to develop players, especially wide receivers and targets
over the course of a long season. And Worthy, who
I remember the first game he played. I think he
had a touchdown in his first game or a couple
of big plays, and I thought, that's just what he's
gonna be. But he was a volume receiver yesterday.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Pete Carroll hired by the Raiders. When his name first
came out, it was dismissed he was too old, And
I'm like, Pete Carroll age is not the issue. In fact,
even in Seattle, his last two years in winning seasons
with Geno Smith in a tough division, so he got
pushed back early and I didn't understand it. I think
Pete's a very good coach. Now, do I think sometimes
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he's too loyal to assistance? I don't love, yes, but
that's probably a good human quality. It's not a great
coaching quality sometimes. But a lot of people dismissed Pete. Carroll, Raiders,
didn't smart teams, didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Where Colin was wrong, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Thought when Mike McCarthy bailed on the Cowboys next to
Mike Vrabel, he'd be the number one candidate. And there's
only one job left, and I'm not sure he's going
to get the Saints job. He didn't even interview for
other jobs. Now, is that McCarthy's choice. Is he looking
at all the openings and saying New England Chicago after that?
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I'm not interested. But I thought he would be a
hot coaching candidate and he's not.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I not only picked Ohio State to be in the
National Championship when they lost to Oregon at Oatson, I
said they'd be in the National Championship when they lost
to Michigan I said, stop it. I think they're still
odds on favorite to play for the National Championship. I
thought Ryan Day and Chip Kelly did what he was
hired to do. I just ran into Skip Friday. Is
that kind of as the NFL and college now feel
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kind of more seamless. Now you have a big playoff
in college like the pros. Guys are getting paid like
the pros. You're gonna need the kind of emotional guy
in Chip Kelly that can build like pro game plans,
keeping some stuff, showing other stuff. There's a different way
to coach now, not just go to the Citrus Bowl.
You got game after game after game against the best
teams and coaches, and a lot of people bailed on
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Ohio State and Ryan Day, but I felt even after
the losses to Michigan and Oregon, they were as good
as anybody in the country. Colin Wright, Colin Rung.
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That's Covino and Rich. Thirteen time Pro bowler, super Bowl
champ two decades in the NFL, drew Brees drops and
we always appreciate it. So we got a couple of
games to break down. Let's just start. Let's start with
a big one that's viewed as sort of the kind
of the rivalry, the Ali Fraser, the McGregor, Nate Diz.
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I mean, you get these bills chiefs. They all kind
of look the same. And it's funny because we've kind
of lumped Mahomes into Okay, he's the winner and Josh isn't.
But Josh played pretty darn well. The thing that bothered
me and I think you had the advantage like Mahomes,
and I don't know how much of an advantage, but
it is great to have an offensive guy who sees
the world like you do, like Andy and Sean. I
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was a little bothered by all these tush pushes for
a sex seven quarterback leaping into the air, and I'm like, ah, yeah,
he's a pinata. I mean, when you see that, did
you love that? As a fourth and one call repeatedly
over and over again for Buffalo, it.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Certainly felt repetitive, and especially in the fact that it
wasn't working as well as as probably they expected. You know,
it's been it's been automatic for the Eagles here for
the last couple of years, and then obviously a Buffalo
kind of adopted the same strategy, and in large part
that's because they all have big, physical offensive lines and
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they have a big, physical, strong quarterback that can typically,
you know, maneuver its way through and get the first down. Look,
I've always felt that the true quarterback sneak. There is
an art to it.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Yeah, there's an art.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
To finding the soft spots. At times, you know, you
maneuver into a gap. At times you go over the top.
But I think you have to have some threat that
something else could be coming in order for that to work,
as opposed to just constantly lining up in that formation.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
And everyone in the world knows what's coming.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
So I think a little variety in hindsight, you know,
probably would have been helpful in a lot of cases.
That's also when as an offensive play caller, you know
you you have an opportunity for a big play. You
know that the defense is going to be selling out
into the gaps. Maybe you sneak a little tight end
to lay out, or you get a pick route you
know with.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Your running back.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
It's what the Chiefs do so well in these third
and short, fourth and short situations. You know, get these
linebackers picks sneak it back out into the flat. You
saw it at least a few times in the game
from their perspective, so obviously in hindsight, you know they
since it didn't work, you know, it probably could have
been a better strategy.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know. It's interesting. I feel like Mahomes and Red
are actually more aggressive in these big spots. They're almost
liberated by it, almost like Okay, if we lose, we're out,
let's empty the playbook. Go back to your big games
with Sean. Is there a feeling when you get to
sudden death football? Hey guys, this is something we probably
not going to show earlier. Do you unveil new tricks
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because it potentially is the last game of the year.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Look, in most cases, your best opportunities to make big
play is in those those situations, because in most cases,
the defense is taking away the things that they know
you're gonna try to hit him with in normal down
in distances, they're gonna make you earn it. They're gonna
make you just take completion after completion, be really flawless
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in your execution. It's when you get to those third
and fourth down moments in critical situations where you know
you're gonna get Manda Man. You know you're gonna have
the opportunity for that matchup, or you're gonna be able
to kind of break out that wrinkle that gets a
guy you know busted loose, or you kind of set
that pick or you know a little bit of that
trickery to get their eyes. Like that's the Chiefs do
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that better than anybody in every In every one of
those situations, you can tell it's so well thought out.
I mean it's the Andy Reid special, Like we're gonna
get some kind of a man's own read. Like look
what the play that sealed the game at the end
when they threw it to Peter Ryan in the flat,
they motion two guys over Goden.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Reset you see that it's Manda Man.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
And then you run those guys across to set a
natural pick on the backer and you sneak the back out.
We used to call it snake because it's impossible to
cover for that guy, and so he just deals it
to Peter and he goes and gets fifteen yards to
win the game. Like I've seen that five times from
them this year, right, And if it's not that, then
it's this. Hey, we're going to sell the line one
way and we're gonna sneak the back out of the backfield.
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We're gonna set a pick, you know, with kind of
a down block, and here springs, you know, Pacheco. Like
it's it's time after time just this Like it's just
great execution. I mean, it's great game planning. It's it's
very QB friendly, honestly, because you're because you're giving in
man's own reads. With the way that you move receivers
or motion or shift, you identify matchups and then you execute.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You won your Super Bowl in your ninth year. This
is a seventh year for Josh Allen. The kid was
so devastated after I just I mean, I feel so
bad for him. What is it like, take your worst
loss of your your career. How gutting is it, Drew?
What does it do to you mentally for the next
couple of weeks?
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, Well say this for Josh Allen a couple of
years ago when they lost in the divisional rounds to
the Chiefs, when he led his team down and scored
with was it thirteen seconds left?
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Eighteen seconds left?
Speaker 7 (23:09):
And then the Chiefs went two plays later kicked the
field go to tie it go to ot and then
they went down and scored and never gave Josh the
opportunity to get back on the field.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
That's when they changed.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
The overtime rule in the playoffs to give both qbs
an opportunity. Josh Allen in that moment at that time,
played as well as he could have played, gave his
team the best chance to win at the end. I mean,
thirteen seconds, he should win the game, right, just stop him.
Poor defensive coverage, you know that give him the opportunity
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to go kick the field goal. In this game, Josh
did everything he possibly could to put him in a
position to win at the end of the game.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
I mean credits to Fags.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
I mean that was an unbelievable pressure disguise and execution
on that fourth down play. But for Josh Allen to
buy time launched that ball to King Kid, I mean
very few qbs would have the wherewithal to extend that play,
find the guy and get the ball out down the
field like that.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
It was.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
You couldn't have done it any better. And and the
guy drops it, you know. So, So I look at
two opportunities where the Bills are on their way to
the Super Bowl, if other guys could just do their
job and make the play, the QB did everything he
could do, you know.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
So that's the disappointing part.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Like, that's the part that hurts is man, it takes everybody,
you know, it takes everybody executing in order to give
you that opportunity.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
I mean, look look at the Chiefs this year.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Like the Chiefs, we talk about Mahomes is late, late
game playmaking ability and just championship DNA, and that is
absolutely the truth. But the Chiefs defense has come up
in about seven different games where they stopped the opposing
offense from going down and scoring to win the game,
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or they got to stop in order to get the
ball back to Homes so that he could go down
and win the game.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
So it takes everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, Spags is hyper aggressive. He almost seems to ratchet
it up when he faces Lamar, when he faces Josh Allen.
Go to your career, how do you Jalen hers? Now,
Jalen's got a great old line. But pressure is pressure.
You know, sometimes they bring more than you can block.
What was your belief when you knew you were going
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to face a coordinator who aired on the side of
aggressive are there. Did you like that? Did you relish it?
Did you see that as opportunities? Did it put extra
stress on you?
Speaker 8 (25:41):
So? I I look it was.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
It was a bit of a nightmare for the week
in regards to preparation and planning. And you knew this,
like you know this going into a game with Fags.
If you are in third and long too much in
this game, you don't have a chance, right because he
is so good at the disguise and he's so good
at getting an overload and getting a free rusher that
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you're then just in a situation where men you just
have to get lucky that you can make that guy
miss or you can buy enough time in order to
find somebody open down the field. You have to stay
ahead of the chains against bags, and that is something
that Philly does very, very well because of their ability
to run the football with Saquon and just the dynamic
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that Jalen Hurts gives that offense, similar to Lamar Jackson
gives to Baltimore, where the QB almost becomes an extra
blocker in the run game because you have to account
for him and his ability to run the football. He
takes a defender out of the mix and then typically
leaves Saquon with a one on one you know, situation
in the open field, which Saquon has been winning most
of the time this year.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
And then they stay ahead of the chains with their
play action.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
And they've got two great matchups outside with DeVante Smith.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
And aj Brown.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
So if if Philly cannot stay ahead of the chains,
they do not have a chance in this game because
they are not a drop back passing team. So if
they're in a bunch of third and lungs, no chance
against this Fag's defense. They have to stay ahead of
the chains, and that's something they typically.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Do very well.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Finally, in a salary cap sport, it is hard to
create a roster like Philly. I think it's the best
I've seen in maybe seven to eight nine years. San
Francisco was really good about three years ago, but I
don't think they had this kind of offensive line where
you've got four Pro Bowl level players. What was the
I mean, so Kansas City's facing a roster there's a
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star in every unit, there's two star guards. What was
the most talented team you faced? You looked across and
thought they got better dudes than we do. We can
still win, but they got better dudes.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Maybe you know that legion, Legion of Boom Seattle defense.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Yeah, back in you know twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen was
really young when you look at every position, I mean
it was a Pro Bowl, All Pro caliber person at
every single position. So what they did to draft and
then develop those guys was was was remarkable. But I
look at the Eagles, and you know, I look at
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their free agent acquisitions. Saquon Barkley. Obviously he was a
great player prior to coming to Philly, but this just
elevated he needed more. I would I would, I would
equate a lot to what going to Baltimore did for
Derrick Henry. You know, you combine him with a guy
like Lamar and it's just gonna open up more and
more opportunities. And sure enough, he had a a stellar MVP,
you know caliber season, just like Saquon did. But it's
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guys like Zach Bond, linebacker they signed from the New
Orleans Saints, who was mainly a special teams player with Normans.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
I played with Zach. He was like third fourth round.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Pick from Wisconsin, comes in, He's just gonna play be
a four course special teams guy backup linebacker behind the
Mario Davis and some of these other studs. But many's
gonna learn, he's gonna work, and he's gonna be prepared
when his opportunity comes, and sure enough it comes in
Philly and he becomes an All Pro player, right CJ.
Gardner Johnson, He was a teammate in mind too in
New Orleans, a guy that I loved, the teammate absolutely
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hate going up against him because of his mouth. But
bottom line is the dude can play right and then
they found a role for him, right, and he fulfills
it very very well.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
Slay.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
They've got an elite corner right like like they just
they have a pass rush. They they just have all
these elite pieces that they put together. But a lot
of that's man, the way you draft, the way you develop,
the way you go identify free agents that they're gonna
fill roles for you.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah. Yeah, that's Seattle team. They were pretty good and
they were all in their prime. There were young, twitchy fast,
You had Sherman. You had Earl Thomas. Yeah that was
Cam Chancellor on that.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Cam Sancesllor dude.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
You had Cliff Avel, You had Michael Bennett, you got
everybody everything. One of them was a pro bowler.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, Drew Brees. As always my man. Appreciate you stopping
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we Go on a big Monday. Super Bowl is
now set live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Jmac. A lot
of America down trodden heads are hanging the outcome they
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were hoping what not happen has happened. I got a
picture send to me of mahomes with three rings, and
I can feel America's tension. Well, I had pressure going up.
I wore Buffalo Blue on Monday, just four out for
the builds are rough with unlucky ause. I like the
say well, I look at the box score after the
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game and it was clearly two very even teams. Total yards, rushing, penalties,
time of possession, fourth down efficiency, first downs, these were
two very even teams with two A plus quarterbacks. But
here is where I continue to see a different and
boy did I see it yesterday. Kansas City is liberated
(01:33):
by pressure. They're more aggressive, They're more free, They're more aggressive.
Patrick Mahomes averages four rushes a game in the regular season.
Yesterday he had eleven. Mahomes runs more often, runs more aggressively,
(01:54):
a season high in carries. Does it make any sense
that Kansas City scored over thirty points for the first
time all season? Where Sean McDermott, the defensive wizard as
a head coach in big games, spags the defensive coordinator,
takes bigger risks. Andy Reid in the big games has
(02:14):
us all guessing even more than usual with his clever
play design and play calling. It's like Mahomes is allowed
to finally be free. Like when our parents every summer
for a couple of days would say, no curfew tonight,
just be safe, your friends are in town. That's what
Mahomes plays like. They are liberated by the pressure. It's
(02:38):
a blessing. They love it, take bigger swings and risks.
It's almost as if Kansas City is bored by the
tedium of the regular season and the playoffs is an
opportunity to show you the entire playbook because they know
they get two weeks off for the next game. And
yet Buffalo, to at least some degree, once again against
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the Chiefs, feels a little burdened by the pressure, a
little tight. They change who they are a little like
Baltimore doves against Mahomes, I mean Tony Romo. On that
first drive, Josh Allen almost had two interceptions. Romo admitted
on the air that was nerves. In the second half, Buffalo,
(03:24):
a high powered offense, ran sixteen of the first seventeen plays.
Would any Reid ever do that with Josh Allen on
fourth down? Apparently, offensive coordinator Joe Brady only has a
single play in his playbook, despite having an excellent star
running back in James Cook, having an excellent backup running
back in Davis, Joe Brady decided, our only play on
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fourth down is to hand it to our six to
seven quarterback and have him leap into the air, which
is always a vulnerable spot for a tall player. The
Chiefs expand in the playoffs, they expand, and the Bills
feel like, to some degree they contract the Chiefs rise
(04:08):
to the moment, and Buffalo at least situationally feels like
they shrink. Again, the box score has two excellent teams,
but on the biggest defensive play, Spags had a corner
blitz and on those big fourth down tush pushes where
Buffalo was two for five, Jim Nance acknowledged that Kansas
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City had told them in a production meeting. Yeah, he
likes to run left. One team on the biggest plays.
Was a bit predictable, even more than a bit Josh
Allen fourth down again, James Cook on that final Buffalo
drive never touched the ball. And if Buffalo, I know
it's the refs, right, it's such a tired act. I
(04:52):
heard that for twenty years on the Patriots dynasty. Yes,
the league wanted jammed up in the northeast, New England
to dominate the league and now small market Kansas City.
Please have them dominate all the games. Remember pre Taylor
Swift they had Super Bowls. Right, So if Buffalo doesn't
recover all four of their fumbles, I wonder if it's close.
(05:16):
They've had the lead in all four games against Kansas
City in the playoffs, and yet here's Mahomes and I
noticed this yesterday. It reminded me of Tiger Woods an MJ.
He's got that red on in a big Sunday game.
And Mahomes, as great as he is, elevates and expands
in these games. And Josh Allen and the Bills and
(05:37):
Sean McDermott, they just shrink a little. Seventeen straight one
possession wins. You think it's the Zebras. Sean McDermott supposed
to be a defensive mastermind. Why does Kansas City score
over thirty points for the first time all season? They
(05:58):
didn't look like that last weekdagainst Demiko Ryans. They struggled
to move the ball last week against Houston. Why because
to my initial point, in these big games, MJ. Tiger
on a Sunday, Mahomes yesterday, they get a show off.
There's no curfew. Do what you have to do, there's
(06:18):
no tomorrow. They scored their most points. Mahomes had his
season high in carries. From the first organized and efficient
and lethal drive of the game until the last. They
were a better team on the biggest plays. First drive
(06:38):
for Buffalo, aimless last drives. Dalton Kinkaid drops a ball
James Cook never touches it. Why not because I know
the why and I know the what, and that's always
Kansas City in these moments being the best version of
themselves and all year long, I said, Buffalo is the
(07:00):
best team. But if you shrink six, eight, nine, twelve percent,
you're not going to arrowhead and winning. And here's Josh
Allen after.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's not fun, but to beat the champion, to be
the champion, to beat the champs, and we didn't do
it tonight. You can either get it done or you can't,
and we didn't get it done.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So I will say this. As I was watching Philadelphia
beat Washington, my first take was Kansas City matches up
pretty well with Philadelphia. Buffalo does not. So heartbreak was
going to happen yesterday or Super Bowl. Buffalo, be thankful
because you're not stopping this run game. Let's be honest
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about Washington. What we saw is what we all thought
could happen. Washington ran out of juice. They were missing
their best O line and D lineman, and they have
elite talent everywhere. I mean, you forget that. DeVante Smith
is on the team for Philadelphia, a Heisman winner at receiver,
You're like, they have to engineer plays jet sweeps to
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get him the ball. He'd be a number one receiver
on a third to a half of the teams in
the NFL. You forget he's on the team. Their third
string running back peels off a big win. The Eagles
feel like one of those Bama Georgia teams that just
had more five star athletes. I mean, they've run for
three two hundred plus yards in all their playoff wins.
Doesn't that sound sort of like a dominant college team.
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The first two drives of the game told the story.
Washington had that Notre Dame feel. Eighteen plays and they
settle for a field goal. Philadelphia is like, yeah, that's cool.
First play Eagles Saquon Barkley sixty yards. Momentum completely and
(08:48):
absolutely erased. We all kind of knew yesterday was really possible.
Philadelphia is better. They are a green wall of talent.
In fact, I'm trying to think of a team in
the last eight to ten years that has as much
talent as Philadelphia. Elite players four on the offensive line,
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one or two at wide receiver, one at tight end.
I mean, we don't even like their coach, and we
don't think they're quarterback's top five or six. And they're
still double digit leads on Washington, on the Rams, on
the Packers. Washington was down two valuable linemen. They've got
two great players, Terry McLaurin and Jaden Daniels, and they're
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going to be back in this game multiple times in
the next ten years. But Philadelphia is so well constructed
that at the two key positions in pro football quarterback
and coach, we've got our doubts, and they still bulldoze people.
Double digit leads, double digit wins. It's what they do.
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Here's saque after.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I ain't gonna lot.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Ti that, don't play it in my head, but it's
this amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It's amazing. We're here super Bowl. But the goal wasn't
just getting there.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
The gos to win, and we're gonna celebrate and enjoy
this and get right back.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
To work again. Jayden Daniels is going to be in
this Puppy a lot over the next ten years. That's
not even a doubt. They got cap space. They need
one to two more drafts, but it's not time for Washington,
not time at all. Philadelphia has more talent. Kansas City
(10:29):
has a decided advantage at quarterback and head coach in
the Super Bowl. I like the Chiefs. I doubted them.
Friday had Buffalo winning twenty eight twenty seven. My bad,
say it out loud, Bill's Chiefs, McDermott, Reid at Arrowhead.
I was on the wrong side for at least one
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of the games.
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Speaker 1 (11:00):
Here we Go. Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday,
plenty of both.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Where Colin was right, I.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Said when Saquon Barkley, I said it March eleventh, He's
going to be gigantic for Philadelphia because of their wide
receiving talent and because of their own line. You won't
be able to jam the box. Those safeties will have
to play outside, and Barkley's going to have record setting years.
If you look at the mobility of Hurts an offensive coach,
(11:28):
they're a line, they're wide receiving talent. It's just absolutely unthinkable.
The New York Giants rolled the dice and let Saquon Barkley.
March eleventh, I said it people don't like paying running backs.
I would pay running backs. Fletcher Cox left the game,
they had some money. I was a huge fan of
the move, not just because remember at the time, everybody
(11:50):
was like, whoa running backs? Barkley was the perfect fit,
the icing on a great cake.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Friday, I said, Kansas City, Jig is up twenty eight,
twenty seven, Buffalo. They're too talented, and I thought they
were And if dalton Kin Kaig catches that ball, they
could still win. But this reductionist fourth and one Josh
Allen gets the ball every time. Stuff doesn't work for
me at all. And in the end, once again Mahomes
(12:19):
read in spags elevate expand not contract. In the playoffs
where Colin was right, I like Sean McDermott. I think
he's Mike McCarthy on the defensive side of the ball.
But good coaches don't win against great quarterbacks and coaches.
I said this in big games, where's his defense against
Kansas City? They're scoring thirty five points every time these
(12:40):
two teams meet in the playoffs. I also think he
gets tight. I also think on those fourth and ones
it felt like they were just sort of ad libbing
it and letting Josh do what Josh needed to be done.
I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I'm wrong on Nick Sirianni. I don't like the method.
But players love him, Philly loves him, City loves him,
and the GM and the coach love him. His playoff
record now is five and three. He has had multiple coordinators.
He may be more coordinator driven than a lot of coaches,
but he's an emotional guy that lives on the edge,
(13:17):
and the team in the locker room respond to him,
and that's really what coaching is. The Lions respond to
Dan Campbell, the Chargers respond to Jim Harbaugh. So much
of this sport is taking alpha male pro athletes and
do they buy into the messaging? And in Philadelphia with
Nick Siriani, I was wrong. They do every Sunday. Where
Colin was right, I predicted when Brian Schottenheimer news came out,
(13:41):
I said, if he gets hired, this is going to
be met with utter outrage and dismay. This will not
just be a mediocre coaching higher fourteen years as a coordinator,
first time he's been even discussed as a head coach
and Jerry Jones did a ten pm Friday news dump
(14:01):
for those that were awake. It was met with outrage
in the Cowboy community and beyond. This is just not
a good enough higher.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I thought Xavier Worthy of Kansas City, who had a
season high in yards, I thought as a first round pick,
he'd probably end up being a gadget guy. Four or
five plays a game yesterday, over one hundred yards of
TD seven targets. He felt like yesterday he can be
either at number one, whether Rashi Rice or a one A.
But Kansas City, and this is what they're prone to do.
(14:34):
They tend to develop players, especially wide receivers and targets
over the course of a long season. And Worthy, who
I remember the first game he played. I think he
had a touchdown in his first game or a couple
of big plays, and I thought, that's just what he's
gonna be. But he was a volume receiver yesterday.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Pete Carroll hired by the Raiders. When his name first
came out, it was dismissed he was too old, And
I'm like, Pete Carroll age is not the issue. In fact,
even in Seattle, his last two years in winning seasons
with Geno Smith in a tough division, so he got
pushed back early and I didn't understand it. I think
Pete's a very good coach. Now, do I think sometimes
(15:13):
he's too loyal to assistance? I don't love, yes, but
that's probably a good human quality. It's not a great
coaching quality sometimes. But a lot of people dismissed Pete. Carroll, Raiders,
didn't smart teams, didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Where Colin was wrong, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Thought when Mike McCarthy bailed on the Cowboys next to
Mike Vrabel, he'd be the number one candidate. And there's
only one job left, and I'm not sure he's going
to get the Saints job. He didn't even interview for
other jobs. Now, is that McCarthy's choice. Is he looking
at all the openings and saying New England Chicago after that?
(15:52):
I'm not interested. But I thought he would be a
hot coaching candidate and he's not.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I not only picked Ohio State to be in the
National Championship when they lost to Oregon at Oatson, I
said they'd be in the National Championship when they lost
to Michigan I said, stop it. I think they're still
odds on favorite to play for the National Championship. I
thought Ryan Day and Chip Kelly did what he was
hired to do. I just ran into Skip Friday. Is
that kind of as the NFL and college now feel
(16:21):
kind of more seamless. Now you have a big playoff
in college like the pros. Guys are getting paid like
the pros. You're gonna need the kind of emotional guy
in Chip Kelly that can build like pro game plans,
keeping some stuff, showing other stuff. There's a different way
to coach now, not just go to the Citrus Bowl.
You got game after game after game against the best
teams and coaches, and a lot of people bailed on
(16:44):
Ohio State and Ryan Day, but I felt even after
the losses to Michigan and Oregon, they were as good
as anybody in the country. Colin Wright, Colin Rung.
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That's Covino and Rich. Thirteen time Pro bowler, super Bowl
champ two decades in the NFL, drew Brees drops and
we always appreciate it. So we got a couple of
games to break down. Let's just start. Let's start with
a big one that's viewed as sort of the kind
of the rivalry, the Ali Fraser, the McGregor, Nate Diz.
(18:12):
I mean, you get these bills chiefs. They all kind
of look the same. And it's funny because we've kind
of lumped Mahomes into Okay, he's the winner and Josh isn't.
But Josh played pretty darn well. The thing that bothered
me and I think you had the advantage like Mahomes,
and I don't know how much of an advantage, but
it is great to have an offensive guy who sees
the world like you do, like Andy and Sean. I
(18:35):
was a little bothered by all these tush pushes for
a sex seven quarterback leaping into the air, and I'm like, ah, yeah,
he's a pinata. I mean, when you see that, did
you love that? As a fourth and one call repeatedly
over and over again for Buffalo, it.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Certainly felt repetitive, and especially in the fact that it
wasn't working as well as as probably they expected. You know,
it's been it's been automatic for the Eagles here for
the last couple of years, and then obviously a Buffalo
kind of adopted the same strategy, and in large part
that's because they all have big, physical offensive lines and
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they have a big, physical, strong quarterback that can typically,
you know, maneuver its way through and get the first down. Look,
I've always felt that the true quarterback sneak. There is
an art to it.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Yeah, there's an art.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
To finding the soft spots. At times, you know, you
maneuver into a gap. At times you go over the top.
But I think you have to have some threat that
something else could be coming in order for that to work,
as opposed to just constantly lining up in that formation.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
And everyone in the world knows what's coming.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
So I think a little variety in hindsight, you know,
probably would have been helpful in a lot of cases.
That's also when as an offensive play caller, you know
you you have an opportunity for a big play. You
know that the defense is going to be selling out
into the gaps. Maybe you sneak a little tight end
to lay out, or you get a pick route you
know with.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Your running back.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
It's what the Chiefs do so well in these third
and short, fourth and short situations. You know, get these
linebackers picks sneak it back out into the flat. You
saw it at least a few times in the game
from their perspective, so obviously in hindsight, you know they
since it didn't work, you know, it probably could have
been a better strategy.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know. It's interesting. I feel like Mahomes and Red
are actually more aggressive in these big spots. They're almost
liberated by it, almost like Okay, if we lose, we're out,
let's empty the playbook. Go back to your big games
with Sean. Is there a feeling when you get to
sudden death football? Hey guys, this is something we probably
not going to show earlier. Do you unveil new tricks
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because it potentially is the last game of the year.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Look, in most cases, your best opportunities to make big
play is in those those situations, because in most cases,
the defense is taking away the things that they know
you're gonna try to hit him with in normal down
in distances, they're gonna make you earn it. They're gonna
make you just take completion after completion, be really flawless
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in your execution. It's when you get to those third
and fourth down moments in critical situations where you know
you're gonna get Manda Man. You know you're gonna have
the opportunity for that matchup, or you're gonna be able
to kind of break out that wrinkle that gets a
guy you know busted loose, or you kind of set
that pick or you know a little bit of that
trickery to get their eyes. Like that's the Chiefs do
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that better than anybody in every In every one of
those situations, you can tell it's so well thought out.
I mean it's the Andy Reid special, Like we're gonna
get some kind of a man's own read. Like look
what the play that sealed the game at the end
when they threw it to Peter Ryan in the flat,
they motion two guys over Goden.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Reset you see that it's Manda Man.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
And then you run those guys across to set a
natural pick on the backer and you sneak the back out.
We used to call it snake because it's impossible to
cover for that guy, and so he just deals it
to Peter and he goes and gets fifteen yards to
win the game. Like I've seen that five times from
them this year, right, And if it's not that, then
it's this. Hey, we're going to sell the line one
way and we're gonna sneak the back out of the backfield.
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We're gonna set a pick, you know, with kind of
a down block, and here springs, you know, Pacheco. Like
it's it's time after time just this Like it's just
great execution. I mean, it's great game planning. It's it's
very QB friendly, honestly, because you're because you're giving in
man's own reads. With the way that you move receivers
or motion or shift, you identify matchups and then you execute.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You won your Super Bowl in your ninth year. This
is a seventh year for Josh Allen. The kid was
so devastated after I just I mean, I feel so
bad for him. What is it like, take your worst
loss of your your career. How gutting is it, Drew?
What does it do to you mentally for the next
couple of weeks?
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, Well say this for Josh Allen a couple of
years ago when they lost in the divisional rounds to
the Chiefs, when he led his team down and scored
with was it thirteen seconds left?
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Eighteen seconds left?
Speaker 7 (23:09):
And then the Chiefs went two plays later kicked the
field go to tie it go to ot and then
they went down and scored and never gave Josh the
opportunity to get back on the field.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
That's when they changed.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
The overtime rule in the playoffs to give both qbs
an opportunity. Josh Allen in that moment at that time,
played as well as he could have played, gave his
team the best chance to win at the end. I mean,
thirteen seconds, he should win the game, right, just stop him.
Poor defensive coverage, you know that give him the opportunity
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to go kick the field goal. In this game, Josh
did everything he possibly could to put him in a
position to win at the end of the game.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
I mean credits to Fags.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
I mean that was an unbelievable pressure disguise and execution
on that fourth down play. But for Josh Allen to
buy time launched that ball to King Kid, I mean
very few qbs would have the wherewithal to extend that play,
find the guy and get the ball out down the
field like that.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
It was.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
You couldn't have done it any better. And and the
guy drops it, you know. So, So I look at
two opportunities where the Bills are on their way to
the Super Bowl, if other guys could just do their
job and make the play, the QB did everything he
could do, you know.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
So that's the disappointing part.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Like, that's the part that hurts is man, it takes everybody,
you know, it takes everybody executing in order to give
you that opportunity.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
I mean, look look at the Chiefs this year.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Like the Chiefs, we talk about Mahomes is late, late
game playmaking ability and just championship DNA, and that is
absolutely the truth. But the Chiefs defense has come up
in about seven different games where they stopped the opposing
offense from going down and scoring to win the game,
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or they got to stop in order to get the
ball back to Homes so that he could go down
and win the game.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
So it takes everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, Spags is hyper aggressive. He almost seems to ratchet
it up when he faces Lamar, when he faces Josh Allen.
Go to your career, how do you Jalen hers? Now,
Jalen's got a great old line. But pressure is pressure.
You know, sometimes they bring more than you can block.
What was your belief when you knew you were going
(25:28):
to face a coordinator who aired on the side of
aggressive are there. Did you like that? Did you relish it?
Did you see that as opportunities? Did it put extra
stress on you?
Speaker 8 (25:41):
So? I I look it was.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
It was a bit of a nightmare for the week
in regards to preparation and planning. And you knew this,
like you know this going into a game with Fags.
If you are in third and long too much in
this game, you don't have a chance, right because he
is so good at the disguise and he's so good
at getting an overload and getting a free rusher that
(26:08):
you're then just in a situation where men you just
have to get lucky that you can make that guy
miss or you can buy enough time in order to
find somebody open down the field. You have to stay
ahead of the chains against bags, and that is something
that Philly does very, very well because of their ability
to run the football with Saquon and just the dynamic
(26:29):
that Jalen Hurts gives that offense, similar to Lamar Jackson
gives to Baltimore, where the QB almost becomes an extra
blocker in the run game because you have to account
for him and his ability to run the football. He
takes a defender out of the mix and then typically
leaves Saquon with a one on one you know, situation
in the open field, which Saquon has been winning most
of the time this year.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
And then they stay ahead of the chains with their
play action.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
And they've got two great matchups outside with DeVante Smith.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
And aj Brown.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
So if if Philly cannot stay ahead of the chains,
they do not have a chance in this game because
they are not a drop back passing team. So if
they're in a bunch of third and lungs, no chance
against this Fag's defense. They have to stay ahead of
the chains, and that's something they typically.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Do very well.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Finally, in a salary cap sport, it is hard to
create a roster like Philly. I think it's the best
I've seen in maybe seven to eight nine years. San
Francisco was really good about three years ago, but I
don't think they had this kind of offensive line where
you've got four Pro Bowl level players. What was the
I mean, so Kansas City's facing a roster there's a
(27:36):
star in every unit, there's two star guards. What was
the most talented team you faced? You looked across and
thought they got better dudes than we do. We can
still win, but they got better dudes.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Maybe you know that legion, Legion of Boom Seattle defense.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Yeah, back in you know twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen was
really young when you look at every position, I mean
it was a Pro Bowl, All Pro caliber person at
every single position. So what they did to draft and
then develop those guys was was was remarkable. But I
look at the Eagles, and you know, I look at
(28:17):
their free agent acquisitions. Saquon Barkley. Obviously he was a
great player prior to coming to Philly, but this just
elevated he needed more. I would I would, I would
equate a lot to what going to Baltimore did for
Derrick Henry. You know, you combine him with a guy
like Lamar and it's just gonna open up more and
more opportunities. And sure enough, he had a a stellar MVP,
you know caliber season, just like Saquon did. But it's
(28:40):
guys like Zach Bond, linebacker they signed from the New
Orleans Saints, who was mainly a special teams player with Normans.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
I played with Zach. He was like third fourth round.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Pick from Wisconsin, comes in, He's just gonna play be
a four course special teams guy backup linebacker behind the
Mario Davis and some of these other studs. But many's
gonna learn, he's gonna work, and he's gonna be prepared
when his opportunity comes, and sure enough it comes in
Philly and he becomes an All Pro player, right CJ.
Gardner Johnson, He was a teammate in mind too in
New Orleans, a guy that I loved, the teammate absolutely
(29:12):
hate going up against him because of his mouth. But
bottom line is the dude can play right and then
they found a role for him, right, and he fulfills
it very very well.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
Slay.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
They've got an elite corner right like like they just
they have a pass rush. They they just have all
these elite pieces that they put together. But a lot
of that's man, the way you draft, the way you develop,
the way you go identify free agents that they're gonna
fill roles for you.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah. Yeah, that's Seattle team. They were pretty good and
they were all in their prime. There were young, twitchy fast,
You had Sherman. You had Earl Thomas. Yeah that was
Cam Chancellor on that.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Cam Sancesllor dude.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
You had Cliff Avel, You had Michael Bennett, you got
everybody everything. One of them was a pro bowler.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, Drew Brees. As always my man. Appreciate you stopping
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