January 28, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin gives the Raiders a lot of credit for hiring Pete Carroll to be their new head coach and points out the obvious choice for worst hire so far this coaching cycle
He points out the various errors Bills head coach Sean McDermott made in their loss to the Chiefs in the postseason for the 4th time
Colin breaks down the drama between Pat Riley and Jimmy Butler
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Here we go on a Tuesday, jobs being filled in
the NFL, Questions in Buffalo? Do they have the right coach?
Live in Los Angeles on a Tuesday. It's the Herd
wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks
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from now. Jmax. It's interesting now that they've stopped blaming
the officials, Buffalo fans are now going closer inspection. Maybe
Mahomes is great and our coach is it. But I
want to start all the coaches that have been hired,
because I do think there are things that we learn
year after a year about coaching hires. Oh yeah, everything.
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So Pete Carroll yesterday introduced as the Raider coach. We'll
get to that in a second. Here's what we know
about head coaching hires. First of all, Number one, I've
made this mistake. Don't judge the opening press conference too harshly.
Some of these young guys get to the podium without
a game plan. They're nervous. Number two is organizations need
different things. The Bears need creativity, the Jags have to
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solve Trevor Lawrence. The Raiders need an adult, the Cowboys
need a lot of things. It feels like Jerry Jones
just wanted a puppet. And the third thing is hiring
good coordinators as your head coach is much like the
NFL draft. I had dinner with an NFLGM last night
and he said the draft ends up being once you
get past the first round, it's a fifty to fifty proposition.
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And that's why I thought Pete Carroll, Mike Rabel, and
Mike McCarthy were arguably the best hires. This morning, I
had to hand out a report card to all the teams.
Now the Saints interviewed Kellen Moore, Mike McCarthy. I don't
know what they're gonna do, but here's the grades I
would hand out to the team. So far, I think
most teams have done pretty well so Chicago with Ben Johnson.
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I'll give it an a minus because he's never been
a coach, so I can't give him an A to
an A plus. Stays in the division. This is an
old school, defensive minded culture, and they went out and
hired the young most creative offensive guy from the same division.
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I think this is who they wanted. I think Caleb
Williams wanted. Reportedly, Caleb Williams went was driveway and scream
when they hire him. I'll give him an A minus.
The Cowboys Brian Schottenneimer feels absolutely uninspiring. It's a d
Friday late news dump. Is embarrassing again. The last time
he was a hot coordinator was twelve thirteen, fourteen years ago.
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You know again, I think the Cowboys got caught flat footed,
and this is what it looks like. I would say
Liam Cohen for the Jaguars be again did wonders with
Baker Mayfield. But Baker Mayfield also is pretty talented, made
will Levis a little better. You know again, not a
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great opening press conference. What's his vision? Listen. We know
he's a smart offensive guy, so it's the right side
of the ball. But so is Shane steike In in Indian
and that hasn't worked great so far. I'll give it
a bee. Aaron Glenn jets hire, another defensive coordinator. Don't
love the staff I'm seeing put together so far. It
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may work the players like him, but the players loved
Antonio Pierce as an interim and a head coach for
the Raiders, So what does that mean? I don't trust
this organization upstairs. Aaron Glenn is fine, you know, we'll see.
I think it's actually a good roster. He's tap dance
and walking on eggshells around the Aaron Rodgers thing. I
can't give it better than a C. I think Mike
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Rabel's an a This to me was the best coach
available on the market. He's got a winning record, he's
a culture changer, familiarity with the team. Most of these
coordinators are a fifty to fifty prop. But the guys
that change cultures, the Harbaughs, the Vrabels, the Pete Carroll's,
those guys don't really fail. They may not win a trophy,
but they don't fail. I thought this was a solid,
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a higher and I think the Raiders with Pete Carroll,
a lot of people dogged him for his age. I
do not worry about Pete Carroll's age and vitality. I
think he looks fantastic for his age. I don't know.
Just to me, they need an adult in the room.
His last two years in Seattle, they had a winning
record in the division with Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay.
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Like they were still winning football games. So here was
Pete yesterday at his opening presser.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It all starts with competition. Either compete or you're not.
There's one thing that I want them to understand, and
you start the message right now. If you want to
be on a great team, you need to be a
great teammate.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So there you go. There are my grades, Vrabel, Pete Carroll,
a's Ben Johnson, and A minus. I think if I
was the Saints, I would go Mike McCarthy, but he
sort of disappeared off the radar. Kellen Moore is interviewing
for that job. We'll see how it goes. Kellen Moore
feels like a B minus higher. Okay, so listen, whenever
you lose to the Chiefs, it's always the ref's fault.
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And fan is short for fanatic, and now it's Tuesday,
and suddenly the articles are being more reasonable and acknowledging. Yeah,
our coaches sort of got worked on big plays. So
one of the articles this morning points to three different
things that cost him. I agree with all three. Number one,
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so this is the fourth time Sean mcdermotts had to
go to the podium and answer for losing to the Chiefs. Okay,
fourth time, and each time we've got these like situation.
There's no questions about the offense. So number one, why
didn't they use James Cook in the final drive? Totally agree,
said it six times yesterday three and a half minutes left,
had a monster game mistake. The second thing the article
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says the reliance on quarterback sneaks. I beat that puppy
yesterday for three hours. Didn't like it. Hasselbeck didn't like it.
Drew Brees didn't like it. Nobody liked it. But number
three is an interesting one. The Bills, the article said,
did not help themselves by chasing points early and trying
two point conversions when they trailed twenty one to sixteen.
That's driven me crazy for years, and I always say this,
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save your special for the right moment and the reason
this one I'm gonna highlight the third one. Stop chasing points.
You don't go into a game with nine magical plays.
Even Andy Reid will admit you got a couple. And
Andy's much more creative than Joe Brady or Sean McDermott.
But the play that closed the game for Kansas City
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was that snake route to samaj p Rhyn. Only time
he touched the ball the whole game. This was the
one time. And Andy's been doing this for years. He
has been the better poker player and great poker players
knowing to bluff and go all in. And whereas the
Bills telegraphed their early plays and gave their two point
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conversion plays away that handful of special play, Why are
you showing him first half? Why are you going second
quarter save? You know the game's gonna be close. What
are you doing? The second thing is the Bears telegraph
their quarterback sneak. Apparently they had one play in the
playbook and they were gonna go to one side every
time in the playbook, So you were This is the
nuance of great coaching. You telegraphed your two point conversion
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stuff early. You showed them this is the stuff we
think works against you instead of holding it like a
great poker player. And both Andy Reid and Spags saved
their most unique calls. Spags corner Blitz and Andy the
p rne out and Drew Brees talked about that play specifically,
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and Andy Reid yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
The Chiefs do that better than anybody in every one
of those situations. You can tell it's so well thought out.
I mean, it's the Andy Reid special, like we're gonna
get some kind of a man's own read Like, look
what the play that sealed the game At the end
when they threw it to Peter Ryan in the flat,
they motioned two guys over God and re said, you
see that it's man to man and then you run
those guys across to set a natural pick on the
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backer and you seek the back hou We used to
call it snake because it's impossible to cover for that guy,
and so he just deals it to Peter and he
goes and gets fifteen yards.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
They win the game.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Touched them all one time they could have used at
any point they trailed. At points, there was crisis moments
in the game. Andy just kept that in his back
pocket to the end. By the way. I don't think.
I don't consider Doug Peterson an all time elite coach,
but he knew when to call the Philly Special. Doug's
an offensive coach. Andy Reid's an offensive coach. I'm not
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anti defensive coach. I think Vrabel and Pete Carroll I
gave them my two a's. I am not anti defensive coach.
But if you're trying to beat Mahomes and you have
Josh Allen in your prime, you have got to be
a better poker player. You have got to know when
to bluff, got to know when to hold them, got
to know when to fold them. And I think Andy
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Reid and Spags you blame the refs once all the
drama comes down and the emotion comes down. Now we're
being grown ups. Now we're having the grown up conversation.
Now we're not blaming zebras. Now we're looking in a mirror.
Nobody solves any problems pointing. Never been a problem solved pointing.
It's called the mirror. You look into it. Spags, Andy Reid,
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y'all sat at the table on Sunday. Those were the
two best poker players. Jami Mack, I know it's painful.
I know, this is a very painful segment for you.
This gets people worked up.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
You got me all fired up over here. First segment.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
I'm like, do I go out after him for the
Aaron Glenn's see after he was hyping Aaron Glenn last week?
Or do I just say, goodness, great, you're nitpicking McDermott.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
You know what is it? What Tuesday morning quarterback? Now? Hey,
he messed up here.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And then I was just just reacting to what I
thought was a very strong article pointing out the three
deficiencies in these moment. Remember, you get into a big fight,
you get in this is not This is not the
World Series. It's not seven games. You get into a
big UFC fight, a boxing match, March Madness, NFL playoffs.
Everything counts because you don't get another chance. These are
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sudden death games, and in sudden death poker hands, this
isn't a weekend tournament, it's the final poker hand.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I would say that's a pessimistic view. An optimistic view
would be damn.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
They fell behind twenty one to ten in Arrowhead, storm
back to take the lead, and then they got jobbed
on the kin kid first down and then Alan fourth down,
Like I mean for them to come back and go
four for six on fourth down the touchdown passed a
tiet with what like six minutes left, Like I thought,
they played incredible. It was just three high leverage moments
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did not go.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They did fumble it four times.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
They recovered all of them magically.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Fumble luck baby, all right, Nick? Right, next hour, Boyd
the Pittsburgh Stalers, so stale, we'll talk about that and
uh at press conference yesterday in Dallas. That's cringey, right,
we all know that was cringey. You thought Friday's news
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dump was cringey.
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Speaker 1 (11:42):
So the Friday news dump, but the Dallas Cowboys was
universally mocked and criticized, as it should been. So we
said this, it should have been when Mike McCarthy left.
They got caught flat footed and they just didn't have
a plan. B. And let's be honest about this organization
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since Dak Prescott alone came into the league. This is
the third Super Bowl for the Philadelphia Eagles. They are
no longer the standard in their own division. Forget the NFC,
forget the league in their own division. Philadelphia is the
best run business. So yesterday they hold a press conference.
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This was so strange to me. This is Stephen Jones,
who I generally have liked, talking about the drought, the
winning drought.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Obviously, we're also evaluating where it didn't go right, you know,
in terms of you know, this drought that people say
we're in in terms of a championship game or a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
There's no air quotes for that. This is not some
Alex Jones looney conspiracy theory. You have not been to
the NFC Championship in twenty nine years. This is not
a Chris Farley, the late Chris Farley on Saturday Night Live.
I don't own a toothbrush. It's not the bit you
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do air quotes when you're kind of rolling your eyes
at the insistence of something that doesn't truly exist. You know,
it's kind of a yeah, sure, yeah, drought, Well, what
do you call twenty nine years? This is an insult
to droughts. Droughts usually end those three decades. You guys
need a tropical storm and then Jerry Jones. I think
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he was bragging about the hire, or was he Here's Jerry.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
If you don't think I can't operate out of my
comfort zone, you're so wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's unbelieve.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
This is as big a risk as you could take,
no head coaching.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Experience, exactly exactly, this organization, the Jones family, needs a
rehab or an intervention or something. You're air quoting. Drought, Yeah,
twenty nine years. You know how long it's been since
the commanders, the lowly commanders have been in it? A week,
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three days. The Lions, the Bears, the Panthers, the Falcons,
all these organizations you look down at have been there recently,
and one of the last ones was the Commanders. I
don't think there's any question going forward the Eagles and
the Commanders will run this division. They may run the NFC,
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but the first step in solving a problem is admitting
you have one. And the air quotes and I'm thinking
about this generally speaking, and I think I fall into this.
Fans and media tend to be positive, maybe overly optimistic,
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with coaching hires. This is gonna work in New York today.
Aaron glenn Is Belichick, I get it, but The only
other higher that I've ever seen that was viewed as
ridiculous was David Cully to the Texans and it lasted
a year where he was a longtime assistant, never really
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considered a head coaching candidate, got the job four wins.
Fired nice guy, but everybody knew you had this. Even
Freddy Kitchens had people going, hey, Baker likes him. I
mean Jim tom Sula before his first press conference, Well,
he brings a toughness like Harbaugh, David Cully, Brian Schottenheimer.
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You know, they were met with that kind of resistance.
And I think when the media that wants to say
positive things about your new coach, I tend to be
a b Liam Cohen could baumb I'm going to give
him a bee because I think he's on the right side.
But this thing was met with absolute resistance by people,
and that includes the local media and that press conference
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from air quotes to this is the biggest risk I've
ever taken. That that that that wasn't good.
Speaker 9 (16:11):
J mcklen News, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
We got to revisit your Bill's Sean McDermott take. It
was I'll go Luke warm a take earlier, Josh Allen
is defending his head coach despite the playoff failures. Uh,
here's Alan talking about his faith in Sean McDermott.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's gonna sound weird. I'm just so proud of of coach.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
You know.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
I don't know why he's not recognized more in the
awards stuff, and that's the creuddy thing about it. But
you know, time in and time out, he's got us
in position. You know, we won the AFC East last
how many every how many so years and obviously we're
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we're fighting to get over that home, you know, and
he he gives his life to this. I will tell
you that he's so committed to doing whatever it takes.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, I don't think anybody thinks McDermott's a bad coach,
but this is the fourth time he's gone to a podium.
And after the game, when you get off the blaming
the refs, introspection leads to the same questions, which is
they're not as good situationally as Kansas City is.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
So do you remember when Steph Curry and Klay Thompson
had Mark Jackson as their head coach and they were
like on the come up. Everyone said, oh, this team.
I think they got out of the first round, and
then the next year they lost in the first round.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Defensive coach, yes.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
In seven games, and they decided we're going to move
on from Mark Jackson's like whoa, whoa wait, and they
bring in Steve Kerr. He tweaks one little thing and
they make the jump to light speed and they're a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I don't know that that's the same thing as this
McDermott situation.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
I don't know that a new coach, a new voice,
is going to come in and just give them that extra.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I don't think and put him over the hump.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I don't think anybody included myself, is insinuating he needs
to be fired. He's too good of a coach. But
I do think we need to illuminate a truth is
that the nuance of Kansas City's play calling by Spags
and Andy Reid in crisis high leverage moments was once
again against Buffalo spectacular and Buffalo's had you wondering, why
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aren't you giving James Cook, who had a monster game,
the ball once? So we're just led It's this is
not this guy's a bomb. It's this just maybe the
reality of Tiger and Michelson in their prime. Is Tiger's
usually going to come away with the win.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
I mean, at the same time, I would say Dalton Kincaid,
the ball bounces off his forearm, Yeah, he catches that.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Maybe we're having a different discussion.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
They went on the fields course, that's fair, you know.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Then mcdermot's celebrated.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
He's a knocked up so like Also, if the thirteen
seconds was nine, maybe Mahomes doesn't win, but it was
their kid second.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Certainly, it's just so close. The margin for error is
so thin. But you're onto something with the cook thing.
Because I'll tell you this, Sirianni Kellen Moore. They're not
going to back off running Saquon.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Barkley in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
They're not gonna all of a sudden be like, hey,
let's start throwing the football in the.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
It's not happening.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know it's funny. I think about this all the time.
If you ever watched the game and wondered if I
was a coach, what would I do? All the time,
so that when I watch games, I'm trying to guess
play calling. It's feudal with Kansas City I never know
what they're gonna do. In crisis. With Buffalo, I knew
what they were gonna do, you know, on fourth down,
like I knew what they're gonna do. But it's interesting
because the first thing I think of as a consumer,
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as a sportscaster watching games when you get two minutes
left is I think this every time, get the ball
to the guys having the best game. So for Buffalo,
I was thinking Matt Collins, James Cook, get them the ball.
Collins had a couple of huge plays, James Cook was
a monster, So my take was, get those guys the ball.
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And so when you don't go to James Cook and
yet me and a half minutes and as you know,
you want to eat as much clock as you can
because it's Mahomes. So my take is run the ball
here a couple of times, like eat some clock. So
Mahomes gets it, you know, and there's no time left.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
It was a tough one for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Next up, Colin, let's go back to coach Prime. Remember
this time last week we were talking about the possibility
he could be coaching the Cowboys, but it seemed like
it never progressed beyond that initial conversation. Brian Schottenheimer was
introduced yesterday as the new head coach, and Jerry addressed his.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Talk with Dion.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Just a conversation about the team and about where he
is and his boys, conversation with his boys, that type
of conversation.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Again.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Again, I've said I've hooked to a lot of coaches,
and Dion has.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
A job he does.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
I just see that scrum around the owner after introducing
the head coach. But we had what seven new head
coaches this offseason so far? Do you remember any owners
like holding court and taking a billion questions?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
It's just out on this man.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You know, I don't like it. We all know that Lakers,
although playing well now, Cowboys big brands that don't feel
quite as buttoned up as we'd maybe like. But I
think the last couple of days with the Cowboys, the
Friday news jump and yesterday's press conference feel different. This
is not me just being media guy trying to be harsh.
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When I watched the news dump and I watched that
press conference, I was like, man, this is this is
old Al Davis. This is getting sad. This is not
close by the way Dak's coming off a second injury.
He was never as mobile after the first. I mean,
we saw Kirk Cousins after the injury. Aaron struggled for
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two months. Kirk struggled at the end of the season.
We don't know what we're getting with Dak Prescott on
the second archer, because generally, you could the savior to
problems in the league is getting the quarterback right. We
may get less of Dak, expensive Dak, who's less Dak.
That's what should really concern him.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
I would guess this will be the season we talked
the least about the Cowboys is coming.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, you and I didn't spend a ton of time
on them.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, they were not.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Great this year. You're right, But I think they're gonna
be even worse next year.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I don't see a path to success for them, especially
in that division.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
It's Philly in Washington all day.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
If the Giants land Shadure Sanders, I will pick the
Cowboys for fourth because I think Shadure is mature enough.
I had dinner with a GM last night and I
asked him about Shaduur Sanders, and he said, big enough,
he goes. I wish he waited a little more. He
goes accurate, moving, accurate, pocket mature. He's like, he's he's
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a nice prospect. He's gonna succeed early. He throws a
beautiful ball. He can also he throws players open, you know,
which a lot of college guys to the pros, they're
not quite there yet, should do it. Knows how to
that's Dad and that shituer. He knows how to throw
guys open, which is a skill to be learned on Sundays.
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So I think if the Giants can somehow land him,
I'd pick him for third.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Final story is Anthony Davis.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Boy, he was cooking last night forty two and twenty
three against the Hornets. That comes on the heels with
a thirty six and thirteen against the Warriors. Ad has
had a double double in eleven of his last twelve games,
and yet.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Here he is still complaining of wanting a center. But
he dominated last night.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Lakers shocker, I mean, I know this is Charles Barkley.
Could not imagine this as possible.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Did they look really good?
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Eight games over five hundred, no fish in the West.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Lakers are a contender in the West period.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It's a fact right now. And what they want to
do is get bigger. Yeah, so what the Lakers would
like to do is get bigger, and they've I read
a story yesterday. They have made overtures and calls to
get bigger.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
With the Malan Chiunis is the guy that everybody knows
they wanted.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And there's somebody for the Utah Jazz they're interested in
as well, young player for the Utah Ler. Yes, they
they're just interested in Kessler. So my takeaway is I
was very anti Anthony Davis two years ago, but I
can now admit over the last two years, whether it's work, ethic,
weight training, I know you love Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
That's my guy.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, Anthony Davis, tell me I'm wrong. As a top
five player in the league right now, rebounding, shot blocking, scoring.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Matchup defense, I don't know about the who's.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Better Hmmer Tatum right now? Tatum, Oh God knows. I
would take Anthony Davis in a big game over Jason
Tatum ten out ten times. You like to first of all,
size shot blocking. I mean there are times, well, listen,
Anthony Davis has fallen into a you can tell a
guy's great when Anthony Davis is on the floor. You
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cannot turn the game on your eyes, go right to
Anthony Davis. There are Celtic games where I've seen Tatum
in playoff games. I'm like, is he on the floor?
Is he hiding from the ball?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Listen? Eighties put up great numbers.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
It's against the Hornets and Warriors, two also rans in
the league right now with no bigs. Okay, so you
know you want a roll tape of ad against yo
kids in the playoff Yo eat him alive?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Heyo?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
So I like ID a lot. He's a top ten
player for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Well, let's just listen social media guy, Wes Tatum Anthony Davis,
who would you take today next five years?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Come on, that's a no brainer. Tatum's younger, less, injury prone,
better three.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Points hit Anthony Davis. Injury prone was a label last
couple of years. I don't see he's been healthy due Parkley.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
And those clowns stop stopped bagging on him. They called
him streak close and he's like, I'm gonna man up,
and now he's not getting he is.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I think last year I thought he was the best
defensive player in the year. I thought he was outrageous.
But yeah, yeah, but no, But I mean on a
nightly basis physicality when Yama is going to get six
blocks a game by the rest of his life or
five or whatever he gets.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
But yeah, okay, ad huh, okay, all right?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Do you have an her story or is that it?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
No, we'll we'll stick it to three unless you want
me to expand a four. Got I got tons of stuff?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Do you have another one?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Not right now, but I can. He's just manufacturer stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
All right. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the lie.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Can I just say this? Uh So, pat Riley has
eight rings, nine if you count getting a ring full.
As an assistant coach. Pat Riley is the ultimate winner
in this league currently working in the league. There was
Red Arbach, there's Phil Jack. Pat Riley wins everywhere. Who
wanted a player he wants, a coach he wanted as
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an assistant one is a GM. And there's a thing
going on in Miami where old school pat will not
bend to Jimmy Butler. And I would just like to
say this is why pat Riley remains the smartest GM
in this league. He will not ben I like Daryl Morey.
He has pandered Joe LMB. He gave JOELMB to contract
(27:06):
an extension, and about an hour later Embiid said, oh,
by the way, no more back to backs. Excuse me.
And I think this league, I mean, if the NFL
was the NBA, Aaron Rodgers is still in Green Bay.
Too many gms in this league cave. Bob Meyer, smart guy,
was so uncomfortable moving off old Klay Thompson he retired
(27:29):
to television, and pat Riley is like, I'm sorry, I
moved off prime Lebron. I'm moving off old Jimmy Butler
and a lot of general managers in this league cave
and he will not. I mean the Colts in the
NFL moved off Peyton Manning, Peyton manning, the Niners moved
off Joe Montana, the Packers moved off Farv and Aaron Rodgers.
(27:51):
I mean that's you. I am all for paying the
great players. You cannot pan. I mean, what were the
Uper's doing the Kawhi Leonard, who's not a leader, who's
rarely available, has a little bit of an off putting personality.
What are you doing? I don't get it. Has it
paid off? So I got to tell you, I would
(28:12):
say this. Joel Embiid played thirteen nine games last year,
He's got thirteen so far this year, and they give
him a two hundred million dollar extension. And my guess,
according to reports, it'll get the GM fired. So I
look at this Jimmy Butler situation and I understand people
always say, well, nobody goes to watch the general manager. Well,
nobody's going in Kansas City to watch Brett Veach the
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general manager. But Brett Veach ultimately has the call to
move off Tyreek Hill. Is that that any business can't
be run solely by the employees. It doesn't matter what business. Well,
nobody goes to watch you know what, nobody's going to
watch pat Riley nine rings, nine rings if you count
(28:52):
the assistant coach ring eight if you don't. And I
totally respect this, is that he's just like, dude, We're
not I moved off Prime Lebron. I'm not doing it.
And I think this is how you have to run
a business. And I have heard for a year this
is the other one you hear from NBA media and
it's complete nonsense. Hey, if you don't take care of
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Jimmy Butler players, they won't want to play in Miami. Yeah,
eighty one degrees, aqua one or beautiful people in the winter,
Nobody will want to play there. They'll all want to
play in Cleveland. Players will always want to play in Miami.
By the way, sources are the Warriors one of several
teams in the mix for Jimmy Butler. Now the Heat
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have lowered their asking price for the record, I don't think.
I think Golden State's an interesting place for him because
they have a superstar in Steph Curry and they're trying
to find a B plus guy to play with him
like that one works. But in Miami we don't have that.
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We don't have Steph Curry. So I'm not gonna make
Jimmy my star going forward. Like we had a run,
it was great. He got beat up a little in
the postseason, so I don't buy for a second. Remember
when Portland wasn't going to pay Dame and so he
goes to Milwaukee. In the sense is well, if you
don't pay dame, players always take care of players. Employees
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take care of employees. Ask yourself if somebody came to
you and doubled your money in your life, but they
didn't treat a previous employee, maybe perfectly that was getting
a little older. Would you say, well, they they didn't
treat that old guy as well as they should have.
I'm not going to better my family. I'm not going
to better my personal economy. It doesn't matter. Miami will
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always be attractive. It's a winter sport and Miami's got
the best weather in America in the winter, awquall, blue water,
white sand beaches. Great city to have fun if you're
a young guy. Beautiful people. I like what they're doing. Jmack.
Maybe next hour we'll go to four stories. I'm here,
(31:00):
I am here. What are you run out of my ceial? No,
you're my young coordinator. I want you to know you
have opportunity.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
You know what happens to the young coordinators. They leave,
they get scooped up.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
So that's why I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I'll talk to our agent, you know, we'll see what's
going on.
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Speaker 1 (32:38):
So the Pittsburgh Steelers, I'm reading this this morning, the
Rooney family. Art Rooney the second said securing a quarterback
is the key, and that he wants the Steelers to
either sign Justin Fields or Russell Wilson to a deal.
And it's very hard for me to watch My Holmes
(33:00):
face Josh Allen this weekend, or watch Jaden Daniels face
Jalen Hurts this weekend and think Justin fielder Russell Wilson
are the answer. They're both fine. But I think when
you care about stability over ultimate success, you feel stale
and that that's Pittsburgh loyalty makes you blind to opportunity.
(33:25):
And when Big Ben was aging, they did not address quarterback.
They drafted one quarterback, Mason Rudolph, third round. Ben got
upset criticize him after the draft, and then they just
pretended the future at quarterback didn't matter. They just buried
their head. They have for the last three years. The
most expensive defense is in the league defense in the league,
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and they are projected next year for the fourth straight
year to have the most expensive defense in the league.
It's a defensive culture. They're a better version of the Bears.
Is that it's all about defense. They've just hit on
some good quarterback great quarterbacks. But I mean, remember when
I say you have to move TJ. Watt or like
a Cam Heyward, that level of player, they freak out, Well,
(34:11):
what is it getting you? I watched you get housed
by Baltimore trailing twenty one zhering. What does it get
you to trade George Pickens, who is not a leader.
I'd rather have him, but I would move off of TJ. Watt.
You guys went and paid big money for a safety,
Minka Fitzpatrick, and that year your quarterback was Duck Hodges.
(34:35):
New name for this franchise, the Pittsburgh Stalers. They are
a stale franchise and our graphic department did an excellent
job with a stale, moldy piece of bread on the helmet.
We are strongly recommending this going forward. The Pittsburgh Stalers.
They are outdated, They spend too much money on defense,
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They have no urgency at quarterback. Drafted Mason Rudolph third
round very early. The sense was back up, Big Ben
got angry and they were like, oh, we want to
make big We don't want to make Big Ben mad Listen,
Aaron and Farv didn't like when the Packers went out
and drafted the air apparent to them, then the Brakes.
(35:21):
That's the breaks. I mean, Tom Brady didn't like Jimmy
Garoppolo around. The Patriots drafted a quarterback every second, third
year for twenty years, so you know it's there. I
was reading this this morning in Ink Magazine's a business
magazine that has a line one of the main reasons
why a business fails is because somebody is overly loyal
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and refusing to adjust. It's the loyalty that prevents a
company from pivoting and trying something new, like loosen the
grip on loyalty and defense. It's again, I think Russell
Wilson and Justin Field are fine, but you watched this
weekend Jaden Daniels, Alan Mahomes. I'm tell you when Aalen
Hurts is hummon. He's an elite quarterback too. That's just
(36:04):
not good enough if that's your plan. So I've said this,
the Jets worry me a little bit, but I'll tell
you where. I think the Jets and the Raiders are
not that far away. So in the last two years,
we have seen Sean Payton go to Denver with a
rookie quarterback and the most dead cat money in the
(36:25):
league and make the playoffs. We've seen the laughing stock
Houston Texans in one year, laughing stock to playoffs in
the AFC, and this year Washington from a has Matt
spill of a franchise, a toxic franchise to the NFC
Championship in one year. Now, now the Jets have a
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good roster and the Raiders roster is I think better
than people think. They have their tackles, their center a
weapon and brought Bowers. They have Max Crossby. Defense was
beat up last year, but they got some talent. They
actually have their own line, their tight end. They needed
a number one back and a number one receiver and
a quarterback. And I don't think the Raiders are that
(37:08):
far away. But here's what the Raiders and the Jets
are very interesting. So I would bring Aaron Rodgers back.
And this whole thing is getting Aaron Glenn and other
people worked up. Aaron Glenn was asked yesterday about Aaron Rodgers.
They're all getting a little defensive on this stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And what will your process be like, Well, you go
meet with Aaron.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I know you guys, and we've already taken Aaron and
me and moves.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
You're going to sit there and we don't a lot
watch every game take there is and Dave, we got
to look the whole roster. This thing is not about
Aaron Rodgers, folks. This is about the roster when we
plan on building the best roster that we can. So
whatever that may be, guard tackle, deep tackle part, that's
what we evaluate and listen, everybody's on the microscope.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That's just what it is. So I think the Raiders
and the Jets are very similar. They both need a
quarterback for the future. Both have a high first round
pick and a second pick. So what I would do
if I was the Jets, I would get a weapon
with the first pick, not a quarterback. I'd go get
Tyler Warren, the Penn State tight end or team act
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the receiver. I would if I was the Raiders, I
would do that. If I was the Jets, I would
do that either get the receiver for Arizona or the
tight end Penn State. Both could and maybe should be available.
With both of your second picks, I would go get
if available, because you're both at the top of the
second round, near the top. I would go get Kyle McCord,
(38:34):
the quarterback for Syracuse. I think he's I think he's
the dark horse player in the draft. Kyle McCord Syracuse.
So in both instances, the Jets and the Raiders need
a weapon on the perimeter because Garrett Wilson's not happy,
DeVante Adams expensive and both need a quarterback. And I
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think keeping Aaron for one year and the Raider getting
Kirk Cousins similarly on the cheat for a year is
the answer. So you have a grown up in the
room that can help mentor the young second round quarterback.
Because Kyle McCord right now, to me is the fastest
rising dark horse player in the draft, especially at quarterback.
People like Jackson Dart too, So I don't think this
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stuff takes forever. I've watched Denver with their dead cap
money and a rookie quarterback. Houston was a mess. Washington
had to replace everybody in the building. I think the
Jets have a good roster. I think it's defensively, it's
a very good roster. They needed another weapon on offense
Aaron for a year. I'm totally comfortable with it. And
the Raiders. They have two tackles, they got their center
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from Oregon. They've got an unbelievable best tight end prospect
in years. They needed a quarterback and another receiver. I
don't think rebuilds. We've seen it now the last two years.
It's not that difficult. This idea that you bail on
Aaron Rodgers, No, make him Kirk Cousins. They both are old,
they both have a surgery. Both played well for about
(40:01):
half a last season. Kirk the first half, Aaron the
second half. We've seen it. There are franchises that I
wouldn't want to be. I think Carolina Bryce Young is
getting better. I think there's limitations to them, but at
least it's a bad division. Jets are not going to
beat the Bills if they could be a playoff team.
Raiders are not going to beat the Chiefs. It wouldn't
(40:23):
shock me if they're a playoff team. It really wouldn't.
So this stuff, I think with the Jets getting a
little worked up and a little defensive on Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers will be your ally for a year. Kirk
Cousins in Vegas, he's an ally, a mentor in the building.
One more year. That's about what they have left. Aaron's
got maybe two and go draft the quarterback of the future.
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But I feel like everybody's defensive about Aaron. Make him
your ally, make him the mentor, get him another weapon.
They'll be fine. Cee j Mack there's the optimistic Colin
glass half full. I know you guys are freaking out,
but we've learned something in the NFL. When you overreact
emotionally because of disappointment, you're not there's a certain fog
(41:09):
of defeat, like, oh, it's the officials. Nah, it was
play calling in Buffalo. Well, Aaron's terrible. Actually, no, the
last ten games we brought it on the show yesterday,
Aaron was very b plus and he could be. And
Aaron's you know, say what you want about Aaron, but
he was helpful of Jordan Love. He's not Brett Farbor.
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He's a little rigid, a little defensive. Aaron's been a
good mentor to young players. He gets along, you know,
with Jordan loves speaks highly of him. Why couldn't he
do the same for the Syracuse quarterback.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
The messaging here, strikes me is a little bit of
Russell Wilson in Denver, how he had the run of
the show Aaron Rodgers did last year. Aaron Glenn comes in,
is like, this is not about Aaron Rodgers, this is
about the team. That sounds very Sean Payton to me,
as if we're taking the team back from our.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
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from now. Jmax. It's interesting now that they've stopped blaming
the officials, Buffalo fans are now going closer inspection. Maybe
Mahomes is great and our coach is it. But I
want to start all the coaches that have been hired,
because I do think there are things that we learn
year after a year about coaching hires. Oh yeah, everything.
(01:08):
So Pete Carroll yesterday introduced as the Raider coach. We'll
get to that in a second. Here's what we know
about head coaching hires. First of all, Number one, I've
made this mistake. Don't judge the opening press conference too harshly.
Some of these young guys get to the podium without
a game plan. They're nervous. Number two is organizations need
different things. The Bears need creativity, the Jags have to
(01:32):
solve Trevor Lawrence. The Raiders need an adult, the Cowboys
need a lot of things. It feels like Jerry Jones
just wanted a puppet. And the third thing is hiring
good coordinators as your head coach is much like the
NFL draft. I had dinner with an NFLGM last night
and he said the draft ends up being once you
get past the first round, it's a fifty to fifty proposition.
(01:54):
And that's why I thought Pete Carroll, Mike Rabel, and
Mike McCarthy were arguably the best hires. This morning, I
had to hand out a report card to all the teams.
Now the Saints interviewed Kellen Moore, Mike McCarthy. I don't
know what they're gonna do, but here's the grades I
would hand out to the team. So far, I think
most teams have done pretty well so Chicago with Ben Johnson.
(02:16):
I'll give it an a minus because he's never been
a coach, so I can't give him an A to
an A plus. Stays in the division. This is an
old school, defensive minded culture, and they went out and
hired the young most creative offensive guy from the same division.
(02:36):
I think this is who they wanted. I think Caleb
Williams wanted. Reportedly, Caleb Williams went was driveway and scream
when they hire him. I'll give him an A minus.
The Cowboys Brian Schottenneimer feels absolutely uninspiring. It's a d
Friday late news dump. Is embarrassing again. The last time
he was a hot coordinator was twelve thirteen, fourteen years ago.
(03:00):
You know again, I think the Cowboys got caught flat footed,
and this is what it looks like. I would say
Liam Cohen for the Jaguars be again did wonders with
Baker Mayfield. But Baker Mayfield also is pretty talented, made
will Levis a little better. You know again, not a
(03:23):
great opening press conference. What's his vision? Listen. We know
he's a smart offensive guy, so it's the right side
of the ball. But so is Shane steike In in Indian
and that hasn't worked great so far. I'll give it
a bee. Aaron Glenn jets hire, another defensive coordinator. Don't
love the staff I'm seeing put together so far. It
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may work the players like him, but the players loved
Antonio Pierce as an interim and a head coach for
the Raiders, So what does that mean? I don't trust
this organization upstairs. Aaron Glenn is fine, you know, we'll see.
I think it's actually a good roster. He's tap dance
and walking on eggshells around the Aaron Rodgers thing. I
can't give it better than a C. I think Mike
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Rabel's an a This to me was the best coach
available on the market. He's got a winning record, he's
a culture changer, familiarity with the team. Most of these
coordinators are a fifty to fifty prop. But the guys
that change cultures, the Harbaughs, the Vrabels, the Pete Carroll's,
those guys don't really fail. They may not win a trophy,
but they don't fail. I thought this was a solid,
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a higher and I think the Raiders with Pete Carroll,
a lot of people dogged him for his age. I
do not worry about Pete Carroll's age and vitality. I
think he looks fantastic for his age. I don't know.
Just to me, they need an adult in the room.
His last two years in Seattle, they had a winning
record in the division with Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay.
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Like they were still winning football games. So here was
Pete yesterday at his opening presser.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It all starts with competition. Either compete or you're not.
There's one thing that I want them to understand, and
you start the message right now. If you want to
be on a great team, you need to be a
great teammate.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So there you go. There are my grades, Vrabel, Pete Carroll,
a's Ben Johnson, and A minus. I think if I
was the Saints, I would go Mike McCarthy, but he
sort of disappeared off the radar. Kellen Moore is interviewing
for that job. We'll see how it goes. Kellen Moore
feels like a B minus higher. Okay, so listen, whenever
you lose to the Chiefs, it's always the ref's fault.
(05:30):
And fan is short for fanatic, and now it's Tuesday,
and suddenly the articles are being more reasonable and acknowledging. Yeah,
our coaches sort of got worked on big plays. So
one of the articles this morning points to three different
things that cost him. I agree with all three. Number one,
(05:51):
so this is the fourth time Sean mcdermotts had to
go to the podium and answer for losing to the Chiefs. Okay,
fourth time, and each time we've got these like situation.
There's no questions about the offense. So number one, why
didn't they use James Cook in the final drive? Totally agree,
said it six times yesterday three and a half minutes left,
had a monster game mistake. The second thing the article
(06:12):
says the reliance on quarterback sneaks. I beat that puppy
yesterday for three hours. Didn't like it. Hasselbeck didn't like it.
Drew Brees didn't like it. Nobody liked it. But number
three is an interesting one. The Bills, the article said,
did not help themselves by chasing points early and trying
two point conversions when they trailed twenty one to sixteen.
That's driven me crazy for years, and I always say this,
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save your special for the right moment and the reason
this one I'm gonna highlight the third one. Stop chasing points.
You don't go into a game with nine magical plays.
Even Andy Reid will admit you got a couple. And
Andy's much more creative than Joe Brady or Sean McDermott.
But the play that closed the game for Kansas City
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was that snake route to samaj p Rhyn. Only time
he touched the ball the whole game. This was the
one time. And Andy's been doing this for years. He
has been the better poker player and great poker players
knowing to bluff and go all in. And whereas the
Bills telegraphed their early plays and gave their two point
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conversion plays away that handful of special play, Why are
you showing him first half? Why are you going second
quarter save? You know the game's gonna be close. What
are you doing? The second thing is the Bears telegraph
their quarterback sneak. Apparently they had one play in the
playbook and they were gonna go to one side every
time in the playbook, So you were This is the
nuance of great coaching. You telegraphed your two point conversion
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stuff early. You showed them this is the stuff we
think works against you instead of holding it like a
great poker player. And both Andy Reid and Spags saved
their most unique calls. Spags corner Blitz and Andy the
p rne out and Drew Brees talked about that play specifically,
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and Andy Reid yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
The Chiefs do that better than anybody in every one
of those situations. You can tell it's so well thought out.
I mean, it's the Andy Reid special, like we're gonna
get some kind of a man's own read Like, look
what the play that sealed the game At the end
when they threw it to Peter Ryan in the flat,
they motioned two guys over God and re said, you
see that it's man to man and then you run
those guys across to set a natural pick on the
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backer and you seek the back hou We used to
call it snake because it's impossible to cover for that guy,
and so he just deals it to Peter and he
goes and gets fifteen yards.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
They win the game.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Touched them all one time they could have used at
any point they trailed. At points, there was crisis moments
in the game. Andy just kept that in his back
pocket to the end. By the way. I don't think.
I don't consider Doug Peterson an all time elite coach,
but he knew when to call the Philly Special. Doug's
an offensive coach. Andy Reid's an offensive coach. I'm not
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anti defensive coach. I think Vrabel and Pete Carroll I
gave them my two a's. I am not anti defensive coach.
But if you're trying to beat Mahomes and you have
Josh Allen in your prime, you have got to be
a better poker player. You have got to know when
to bluff, got to know when to hold them, got
to know when to fold them. And I think Andy
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Reid and Spags you blame the refs once all the
drama comes down and the emotion comes down. Now we're
being grown ups. Now we're having the grown up conversation.
Now we're not blaming zebras. Now we're looking in a mirror.
Nobody solves any problems pointing. Never been a problem solved pointing.
It's called the mirror. You look into it. Spags, Andy Reid,
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y'all sat at the table on Sunday. Those were the
two best poker players. Jami Mack, I know it's painful.
I know, this is a very painful segment for you.
This gets people worked up.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
You got me all fired up over here. First segment.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
I'm like, do I go out after him for the
Aaron Glenn's see after he was hyping Aaron Glenn last week?
Or do I just say, goodness, great, you're nitpicking McDermott.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
You know what is it? What Tuesday morning quarterback? Now? Hey,
he messed up here.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And then I was just just reacting to what I
thought was a very strong article pointing out the three
deficiencies in these moment. Remember, you get into a big fight,
you get in this is not This is not the
World Series. It's not seven games. You get into a
big UFC fight, a boxing match, March Madness, NFL playoffs.
Everything counts because you don't get another chance. These are
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sudden death games, and in sudden death poker hands, this
isn't a weekend tournament, it's the final poker hand.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I would say that's a pessimistic view. An optimistic view
would be damn.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
They fell behind twenty one to ten in Arrowhead, storm
back to take the lead, and then they got jobbed
on the kin kid first down and then Alan fourth down,
Like I mean for them to come back and go
four for six on fourth down the touchdown passed a
tiet with what like six minutes left, Like I thought,
they played incredible. It was just three high leverage moments
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did not go.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They did fumble it four times.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
They recovered all of them magically.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Fumble luck baby, all right, Nick? Right, next hour, Boyd
the Pittsburgh Stalers, so stale, we'll talk about that and
uh at press conference yesterday in Dallas. That's cringey, right,
we all know that was cringey. You thought Friday's news
(11:32):
dump was cringey.
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Speaker 1 (11:42):
So the Friday news dump, but the Dallas Cowboys was
universally mocked and criticized, as it should been. So we
said this, it should have been when Mike McCarthy left.
They got caught flat footed and they just didn't have
a plan. B. And let's be honest about this organization
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since Dak Prescott alone came into the league. This is
the third Super Bowl for the Philadelphia Eagles. They are
no longer the standard in their own division. Forget the NFC,
forget the league in their own division. Philadelphia is the
best run business. So yesterday they hold a press conference.
(12:23):
This was so strange to me. This is Stephen Jones,
who I generally have liked, talking about the drought, the
winning drought.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Obviously, we're also evaluating where it didn't go right, you know,
in terms of you know, this drought that people say
we're in in terms of a championship game or a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
There's no air quotes for that. This is not some
Alex Jones looney conspiracy theory. You have not been to
the NFC Championship in twenty nine years. This is not
a Chris Farley, the late Chris Farley on Saturday Night Live.
I don't own a toothbrush. It's not the bit you
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do air quotes when you're kind of rolling your eyes
at the insistence of something that doesn't truly exist. You know,
it's kind of a yeah, sure, yeah, drought, Well, what
do you call twenty nine years? This is an insult
to droughts. Droughts usually end those three decades. You guys
need a tropical storm and then Jerry Jones. I think
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he was bragging about the hire, or was he Here's Jerry.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
If you don't think I can't operate out of my
comfort zone, you're so wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's unbelieve.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
This is as big a risk as you could take,
no head coaching.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Experience, exactly exactly, this organization, the Jones family, needs a
rehab or an intervention or something. You're air quoting. Drought, Yeah,
twenty nine years. You know how long it's been since
the commanders, the lowly commanders have been in it? A week,
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three days. The Lions, the Bears, the Panthers, the Falcons,
all these organizations you look down at have been there recently,
and one of the last ones was the Commanders. I
don't think there's any question going forward the Eagles and
the Commanders will run this division. They may run the NFC,
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but the first step in solving a problem is admitting
you have one. And the air quotes and I'm thinking
about this generally speaking, and I think I fall into this.
Fans and media tend to be positive, maybe overly optimistic,
(14:57):
with coaching hires. This is gonna work in New York today.
Aaron glenn Is Belichick, I get it, but The only
other higher that I've ever seen that was viewed as
ridiculous was David Cully to the Texans and it lasted
a year where he was a longtime assistant, never really
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considered a head coaching candidate, got the job four wins.
Fired nice guy, but everybody knew you had this. Even
Freddy Kitchens had people going, hey, Baker likes him. I
mean Jim tom Sula before his first press conference, Well,
he brings a toughness like Harbaugh, David Cully, Brian Schottenheimer.
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You know, they were met with that kind of resistance.
And I think when the media that wants to say
positive things about your new coach, I tend to be
a b Liam Cohen could baumb I'm going to give
him a bee because I think he's on the right side.
But this thing was met with absolute resistance by people,
and that includes the local media and that press conference
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from air quotes to this is the biggest risk I've
ever taken. That that that that wasn't good.
Speaker 9 (16:11):
J mcklen News, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
We got to revisit your Bill's Sean McDermott take. It
was I'll go Luke warm a take earlier, Josh Allen
is defending his head coach despite the playoff failures. Uh,
here's Alan talking about his faith in Sean McDermott.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's gonna sound weird. I'm just so proud of of coach.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
You know.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
I don't know why he's not recognized more in the
awards stuff, and that's the creuddy thing about it. But
you know, time in and time out, he's got us
in position. You know, we won the AFC East last
how many every how many so years and obviously we're
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we're fighting to get over that home, you know, and
he he gives his life to this. I will tell
you that he's so committed to doing whatever it takes.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, I don't think anybody thinks McDermott's a bad coach,
but this is the fourth time he's gone to a podium.
And after the game, when you get off the blaming
the refs, introspection leads to the same questions, which is
they're not as good situationally as Kansas City is.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
So do you remember when Steph Curry and Klay Thompson
had Mark Jackson as their head coach and they were
like on the come up. Everyone said, oh, this team.
I think they got out of the first round, and
then the next year they lost in the first round.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Defensive coach, yes.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
In seven games, and they decided we're going to move
on from Mark Jackson's like whoa, whoa wait, and they
bring in Steve Kerr. He tweaks one little thing and
they make the jump to light speed and they're a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I don't know that that's the same thing as this
McDermott situation.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
I don't know that a new coach, a new voice,
is going to come in and just give them that extra.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I don't think and put him over the hump.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I don't think anybody included myself, is insinuating he needs
to be fired. He's too good of a coach. But
I do think we need to illuminate a truth is
that the nuance of Kansas City's play calling by Spags
and Andy Reid in crisis high leverage moments was once
again against Buffalo spectacular and Buffalo's had you wondering, why
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aren't you giving James Cook, who had a monster game,
the ball once? So we're just led It's this is
not this guy's a bomb. It's this just maybe the
reality of Tiger and Michelson in their prime. Is Tiger's
usually going to come away with the win.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
I mean, at the same time, I would say Dalton Kincaid,
the ball bounces off his forearm, Yeah, he catches that.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Maybe we're having a different discussion.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
They went on the fields course, that's fair, you know.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Then mcdermot's celebrated.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
He's a knocked up so like Also, if the thirteen
seconds was nine, maybe Mahomes doesn't win, but it was
their kid second.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Certainly, it's just so close. The margin for error is
so thin. But you're onto something with the cook thing.
Because I'll tell you this, Sirianni Kellen Moore. They're not
going to back off running Saquon.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Barkley in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
They're not gonna all of a sudden be like, hey,
let's start throwing the football in the.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
It's not happening.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know it's funny. I think about this all the time.
If you ever watched the game and wondered if I
was a coach, what would I do? All the time,
so that when I watch games, I'm trying to guess
play calling. It's feudal with Kansas City I never know
what they're gonna do. In crisis. With Buffalo, I knew
what they were gonna do, you know, on fourth down,
like I knew what they're gonna do. But it's interesting
because the first thing I think of as a consumer,
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as a sportscaster watching games when you get two minutes
left is I think this every time, get the ball
to the guys having the best game. So for Buffalo,
I was thinking Matt Collins, James Cook, get them the ball.
Collins had a couple of huge plays, James Cook was
a monster, So my take was, get those guys the ball.
(19:57):
And so when you don't go to James Cook and
yet me and a half minutes and as you know,
you want to eat as much clock as you can
because it's Mahomes. So my take is run the ball
here a couple of times, like eat some clock. So
Mahomes gets it, you know, and there's no time left.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
It was a tough one for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Next up, Colin, let's go back to coach Prime. Remember
this time last week we were talking about the possibility
he could be coaching the Cowboys, but it seemed like
it never progressed beyond that initial conversation. Brian Schottenheimer was
introduced yesterday as the new head coach, and Jerry addressed his.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Talk with Dion.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Just a conversation about the team and about where he
is and his boys, conversation with his boys, that type
of conversation.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Again.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Again, I've said I've hooked to a lot of coaches,
and Dion has.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
A job he does.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
I just see that scrum around the owner after introducing
the head coach. But we had what seven new head
coaches this offseason so far? Do you remember any owners
like holding court and taking a billion questions?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
It's just out on this man.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You know, I don't like it. We all know that Lakers,
although playing well now, Cowboys big brands that don't feel
quite as buttoned up as we'd maybe like. But I
think the last couple of days with the Cowboys, the
Friday news jump and yesterday's press conference feel different. This
is not me just being media guy trying to be harsh.
(21:34):
When I watched the news dump and I watched that
press conference, I was like, man, this is this is
old Al Davis. This is getting sad. This is not
close by the way Dak's coming off a second injury.
He was never as mobile after the first. I mean,
we saw Kirk Cousins after the injury. Aaron struggled for
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two months. Kirk struggled at the end of the season.
We don't know what we're getting with Dak Prescott on
the second archer, because generally, you could the savior to
problems in the league is getting the quarterback right. We
may get less of Dak, expensive Dak, who's less Dak.
That's what should really concern him.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
I would guess this will be the season we talked
the least about the Cowboys is coming.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, you and I didn't spend a ton of time
on them.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, they were not.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Great this year. You're right, But I think they're gonna
be even worse next year.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I don't see a path to success for them, especially
in that division.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
It's Philly in Washington all day.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
If the Giants land Shadure Sanders, I will pick the
Cowboys for fourth because I think Shadure is mature enough.
I had dinner with a GM last night and I
asked him about Shaduur Sanders, and he said, big enough,
he goes. I wish he waited a little more. He
goes accurate, moving, accurate, pocket mature. He's like, he's he's
(22:47):
a nice prospect. He's gonna succeed early. He throws a
beautiful ball. He can also he throws players open, you know,
which a lot of college guys to the pros, they're
not quite there yet, should do it. Knows how to
that's Dad and that shituer. He knows how to throw
guys open, which is a skill to be learned on Sundays.
(23:08):
So I think if the Giants can somehow land him,
I'd pick him for third.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Final story is Anthony Davis.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Boy, he was cooking last night forty two and twenty
three against the Hornets. That comes on the heels with
a thirty six and thirteen against the Warriors. Ad has
had a double double in eleven of his last twelve games,
and yet.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Here he is still complaining of wanting a center. But
he dominated last night.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Lakers shocker, I mean, I know this is Charles Barkley.
Could not imagine this as possible.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Did they look really good?
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Eight games over five hundred, no fish in the West.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Lakers are a contender in the West period.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It's a fact right now. And what they want to
do is get bigger. Yeah, so what the Lakers would
like to do is get bigger, and they've I read
a story yesterday. They have made overtures and calls to
get bigger.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
With the Malan Chiunis is the guy that everybody knows
they wanted.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And there's somebody for the Utah Jazz they're interested in
as well, young player for the Utah Ler. Yes, they
they're just interested in Kessler. So my takeaway is I
was very anti Anthony Davis two years ago, but I
can now admit over the last two years, whether it's work, ethic,
weight training, I know you love Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
That's my guy.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, Anthony Davis, tell me I'm wrong. As a top
five player in the league right now, rebounding, shot blocking, scoring.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Matchup defense, I don't know about the who's.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Better Hmmer Tatum right now? Tatum, Oh God knows. I
would take Anthony Davis in a big game over Jason
Tatum ten out ten times. You like to first of all,
size shot blocking. I mean there are times, well, listen,
Anthony Davis has fallen into a you can tell a
guy's great when Anthony Davis is on the floor. You
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cannot turn the game on your eyes, go right to
Anthony Davis. There are Celtic games where I've seen Tatum
in playoff games. I'm like, is he on the floor?
Is he hiding from the ball?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Listen? Eighties put up great numbers.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
It's against the Hornets and Warriors, two also rans in
the league right now with no bigs. Okay, so you
know you want a roll tape of ad against yo
kids in the playoff Yo eat him alive?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Heyo?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
So I like ID a lot. He's a top ten
player for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Well, let's just listen social media guy, Wes Tatum Anthony Davis,
who would you take today next five years?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Come on, that's a no brainer. Tatum's younger, less, injury prone,
better three.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Points hit Anthony Davis. Injury prone was a label last
couple of years. I don't see he's been healthy due Parkley.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
And those clowns stop stopped bagging on him. They called
him streak close and he's like, I'm gonna man up,
and now he's not getting he is.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I think last year I thought he was the best
defensive player in the year. I thought he was outrageous.
But yeah, yeah, but no, But I mean on a
nightly basis physicality when Yama is going to get six
blocks a game by the rest of his life or
five or whatever he gets.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
But yeah, okay, ad huh, okay, all right?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Do you have an her story or is that it?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
No, we'll we'll stick it to three unless you want
me to expand a four. Got I got tons of stuff?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Do you have another one?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Not right now, but I can. He's just manufacturer stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
All right. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the lie.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Can I just say this? Uh So, pat Riley has
eight rings, nine if you count getting a ring full.
As an assistant coach. Pat Riley is the ultimate winner
in this league currently working in the league. There was
Red Arbach, there's Phil Jack. Pat Riley wins everywhere. Who
wanted a player he wants, a coach he wanted as
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an assistant one is a GM. And there's a thing
going on in Miami where old school pat will not
bend to Jimmy Butler. And I would just like to
say this is why pat Riley remains the smartest GM
in this league. He will not ben I like Daryl Morey.
He has pandered Joe LMB. He gave JOELMB to contract
(27:06):
an extension, and about an hour later Embiid said, oh,
by the way, no more back to backs. Excuse me.
And I think this league, I mean, if the NFL
was the NBA, Aaron Rodgers is still in Green Bay.
Too many gms in this league cave. Bob Meyer, smart guy,
was so uncomfortable moving off old Klay Thompson he retired
(27:29):
to television, and pat Riley is like, I'm sorry, I
moved off prime Lebron. I'm moving off old Jimmy Butler
and a lot of general managers in this league cave
and he will not. I mean the Colts in the
NFL moved off Peyton Manning, Peyton manning, the Niners moved
off Joe Montana, the Packers moved off Farv and Aaron Rodgers.
(27:51):
I mean that's you. I am all for paying the
great players. You cannot pan. I mean, what were the
Uper's doing the Kawhi Leonard, who's not a leader, who's
rarely available, has a little bit of an off putting personality.
What are you doing? I don't get it. Has it
paid off? So I got to tell you, I would
(28:12):
say this. Joel Embiid played thirteen nine games last year,
He's got thirteen so far this year, and they give
him a two hundred million dollar extension. And my guess,
according to reports, it'll get the GM fired. So I
look at this Jimmy Butler situation and I understand people
always say, well, nobody goes to watch the general manager. Well,
nobody's going in Kansas City to watch Brett Veach the
(28:32):
general manager. But Brett Veach ultimately has the call to
move off Tyreek Hill. Is that that any business can't
be run solely by the employees. It doesn't matter what business. Well,
nobody goes to watch you know what, nobody's going to
watch pat Riley nine rings, nine rings if you count
(28:52):
the assistant coach ring eight if you don't. And I
totally respect this, is that he's just like, dude, We're
not I moved off Prime Lebron. I'm not doing it.
And I think this is how you have to run
a business. And I have heard for a year this
is the other one you hear from NBA media and
it's complete nonsense. Hey, if you don't take care of
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Jimmy Butler players, they won't want to play in Miami. Yeah,
eighty one degrees, aqua one or beautiful people in the winter,
Nobody will want to play there. They'll all want to
play in Cleveland. Players will always want to play in Miami.
By the way, sources are the Warriors one of several
teams in the mix for Jimmy Butler. Now the Heat
(29:35):
have lowered their asking price for the record, I don't think.
I think Golden State's an interesting place for him because
they have a superstar in Steph Curry and they're trying
to find a B plus guy to play with him
like that one works. But in Miami we don't have that.
(29:56):
We don't have Steph Curry. So I'm not gonna make
Jimmy my star going forward. Like we had a run,
it was great. He got beat up a little in
the postseason, so I don't buy for a second. Remember
when Portland wasn't going to pay Dame and so he
goes to Milwaukee. In the sense is well, if you
don't pay dame, players always take care of players. Employees
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take care of employees. Ask yourself if somebody came to
you and doubled your money in your life, but they
didn't treat a previous employee, maybe perfectly that was getting
a little older. Would you say, well, they they didn't
treat that old guy as well as they should have.
I'm not going to better my family. I'm not going
to better my personal economy. It doesn't matter. Miami will
(30:40):
always be attractive. It's a winter sport and Miami's got
the best weather in America in the winter, awquall, blue water,
white sand beaches. Great city to have fun if you're
a young guy. Beautiful people. I like what they're doing. Jmack.
Maybe next hour we'll go to four stories. I'm here,
(31:00):
I am here. What are you run out of my ceial? No,
you're my young coordinator. I want you to know you
have opportunity.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
You know what happens to the young coordinators. They leave,
they get scooped up.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
So that's why I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I'll talk to our agent, you know, we'll see what's
going on.
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Speaker 1 (32:38):
So the Pittsburgh Steelers, I'm reading this this morning, the
Rooney family. Art Rooney the second said securing a quarterback
is the key, and that he wants the Steelers to
either sign Justin Fields or Russell Wilson to a deal.
And it's very hard for me to watch My Holmes
(33:00):
face Josh Allen this weekend, or watch Jaden Daniels face
Jalen Hurts this weekend and think Justin fielder Russell Wilson
are the answer. They're both fine. But I think when
you care about stability over ultimate success, you feel stale
and that that's Pittsburgh loyalty makes you blind to opportunity.
(33:25):
And when Big Ben was aging, they did not address quarterback.
They drafted one quarterback, Mason Rudolph, third round. Ben got
upset criticize him after the draft, and then they just
pretended the future at quarterback didn't matter. They just buried
their head. They have for the last three years. The
most expensive defense is in the league defense in the league,
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and they are projected next year for the fourth straight
year to have the most expensive defense in the league.
It's a defensive culture. They're a better version of the Bears.
Is that it's all about defense. They've just hit on
some good quarterback great quarterbacks. But I mean, remember when
I say you have to move TJ. Watt or like
a Cam Heyward, that level of player, they freak out, Well,
(34:11):
what is it getting you? I watched you get housed
by Baltimore trailing twenty one zhering. What does it get
you to trade George Pickens, who is not a leader.
I'd rather have him, but I would move off of TJ. Watt.
You guys went and paid big money for a safety,
Minka Fitzpatrick, and that year your quarterback was Duck Hodges.
(34:35):
New name for this franchise, the Pittsburgh Stalers. They are
a stale franchise and our graphic department did an excellent
job with a stale, moldy piece of bread on the helmet.
We are strongly recommending this going forward. The Pittsburgh Stalers.
They are outdated, They spend too much money on defense,
(34:57):
They have no urgency at quarterback. Drafted Mason Rudolph third
round very early. The sense was back up, Big Ben
got angry and they were like, oh, we want to
make big We don't want to make Big Ben mad Listen,
Aaron and Farv didn't like when the Packers went out
and drafted the air apparent to them, then the Brakes.
(35:21):
That's the breaks. I mean, Tom Brady didn't like Jimmy
Garoppolo around. The Patriots drafted a quarterback every second, third
year for twenty years, so you know it's there. I
was reading this this morning in Ink Magazine's a business
magazine that has a line one of the main reasons
why a business fails is because somebody is overly loyal
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and refusing to adjust. It's the loyalty that prevents a
company from pivoting and trying something new, like loosen the
grip on loyalty and defense. It's again, I think Russell
Wilson and Justin Field are fine, but you watched this
weekend Jaden Daniels, Alan Mahomes. I'm tell you when Aalen
Hurts is hummon. He's an elite quarterback too. That's just
(36:04):
not good enough if that's your plan. So I've said this,
the Jets worry me a little bit, but I'll tell
you where. I think the Jets and the Raiders are
not that far away. So in the last two years,
we have seen Sean Payton go to Denver with a
rookie quarterback and the most dead cat money in the
(36:25):
league and make the playoffs. We've seen the laughing stock
Houston Texans in one year, laughing stock to playoffs in
the AFC, and this year Washington from a has Matt
spill of a franchise, a toxic franchise to the NFC
Championship in one year. Now, now the Jets have a
(36:47):
good roster and the Raiders roster is I think better
than people think. They have their tackles, their center a
weapon and brought Bowers. They have Max Crossby. Defense was
beat up last year, but they got some talent. They
actually have their own line, their tight end. They needed
a number one back and a number one receiver and
a quarterback. And I don't think the Raiders are that
(37:08):
far away. But here's what the Raiders and the Jets
are very interesting. So I would bring Aaron Rodgers back.
And this whole thing is getting Aaron Glenn and other
people worked up. Aaron Glenn was asked yesterday about Aaron Rodgers.
They're all getting a little defensive on this stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And what will your process be like, Well, you go
meet with Aaron.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I know you guys, and we've already taken Aaron and
me and moves.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
You're going to sit there and we don't a lot
watch every game take there is and Dave, we got
to look the whole roster. This thing is not about
Aaron Rodgers, folks. This is about the roster when we
plan on building the best roster that we can. So
whatever that may be, guard tackle, deep tackle part, that's
what we evaluate and listen, everybody's on the microscope.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That's just what it is. So I think the Raiders
and the Jets are very similar. They both need a
quarterback for the future. Both have a high first round
pick and a second pick. So what I would do
if I was the Jets, I would get a weapon
with the first pick, not a quarterback. I'd go get
Tyler Warren, the Penn State tight end or team act
(38:11):
the receiver. I would if I was the Raiders, I
would do that. If I was the Jets, I would
do that either get the receiver for Arizona or the
tight end Penn State. Both could and maybe should be available.
With both of your second picks, I would go get
if available, because you're both at the top of the
second round, near the top. I would go get Kyle McCord,
(38:34):
the quarterback for Syracuse. I think he's I think he's
the dark horse player in the draft. Kyle McCord Syracuse.
So in both instances, the Jets and the Raiders need
a weapon on the perimeter because Garrett Wilson's not happy,
DeVante Adams expensive and both need a quarterback. And I
(38:56):
think keeping Aaron for one year and the Raider getting
Kirk Cousins similarly on the cheat for a year is
the answer. So you have a grown up in the
room that can help mentor the young second round quarterback.
Because Kyle McCord right now, to me is the fastest
rising dark horse player in the draft, especially at quarterback.
People like Jackson Dart too, So I don't think this
(39:18):
stuff takes forever. I've watched Denver with their dead cap
money and a rookie quarterback. Houston was a mess. Washington
had to replace everybody in the building. I think the
Jets have a good roster. I think it's defensively, it's
a very good roster. They needed another weapon on offense
Aaron for a year. I'm totally comfortable with it. And
the Raiders. They have two tackles, they got their center
(39:39):
from Oregon. They've got an unbelievable best tight end prospect
in years. They needed a quarterback and another receiver. I
don't think rebuilds. We've seen it now the last two years.
It's not that difficult. This idea that you bail on
Aaron Rodgers, No, make him Kirk Cousins. They both are old,
they both have a surgery. Both played well for about
(40:01):
half a last season. Kirk the first half, Aaron the
second half. We've seen it. There are franchises that I
wouldn't want to be. I think Carolina Bryce Young is
getting better. I think there's limitations to them, but at
least it's a bad division. Jets are not going to
beat the Bills if they could be a playoff team.
Raiders are not going to beat the Chiefs. It wouldn't
(40:23):
shock me if they're a playoff team. It really wouldn't.
So this stuff, I think with the Jets getting a
little worked up and a little defensive on Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers will be your ally for a year. Kirk
Cousins in Vegas, he's an ally, a mentor in the building.
One more year. That's about what they have left. Aaron's
got maybe two and go draft the quarterback of the future.
(40:46):
But I feel like everybody's defensive about Aaron. Make him
your ally, make him the mentor, get him another weapon.
They'll be fine. Cee j Mack there's the optimistic Colin
glass half full. I know you guys are freaking out,
but we've learned something in the NFL. When you overreact
emotionally because of disappointment, you're not there's a certain fog
(41:09):
of defeat, like, oh, it's the officials. Nah, it was
play calling in Buffalo. Well, Aaron's terrible. Actually, no, the
last ten games we brought it on the show yesterday,
Aaron was very b plus and he could be. And
Aaron's you know, say what you want about Aaron, but
he was helpful of Jordan Love. He's not Brett Farbor.
(41:29):
He's a little rigid, a little defensive. Aaron's been a
good mentor to young players. He gets along, you know,
with Jordan loves speaks highly of him. Why couldn't he
do the same for the Syracuse quarterback.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
The messaging here, strikes me is a little bit of
Russell Wilson in Denver, how he had the run of
the show Aaron Rodgers did last year. Aaron Glenn comes in,
is like, this is not about Aaron Rodgers, this is
about the team. That sounds very Sean Payton to me,
as if we're taking the team back from our.
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