January 28, 2025 • 33 mins
Colin talks to Fox Sports NFL analyst Greg Olsen as he explains how the Eagles went from a sluggish 2-2 start to another trip to the Super Bowl
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Really interested to talk to
Greg Olson today? We don't get to do it often,
so I just wrap my arms around it when I can.
And there's some things that I really really want to
jump into today, so let's bring them on. First. Greg
Olsen Live, Fox Sports fourteen years, three time Crow Bowl
or great teammate here at Fox. So I want to start.
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I'm gonna get to eventually. You had the Eagles three
times this year. I'm gonna get to that. And you
also had Chiefs Eagles Super Bowl. I'm gonna get to that.
I want to start with the coaching hires. So I'm
a big believer in every team needs something different. I
thought Pete Carroll to the Raiders is a great hire.
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You played with him in Seattle for a couple of years.
For Raider fans, what will Pete provide? Because you always felt,
really you really liked Pete if I recall, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So, I think the thing when it comes to Pete,
and again I had him just for one season in Seattle,
I think there's so many And I told everyone when
I came home, I'm like, there's a lot of things
that every one day or there was a magic wand
and you said, Okay, you're in charge of a team,
and you've got to run team meeting, and you've got
to handle situational play calling during the week in preparation
and had a model week to week practice schedules and
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communication and vision all of that. Pete is a plus.
He is as organized and as diligent and as good
as anybody that I've ever been around in all of
those things. I think the question that comes with a
guy like Pete, You're gonna get the leadership and the experience,
all that is a given. I think the question you
get with a higher like Pete is no different than
any other defensive coach.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And you touched on it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was listening to your last segment before the and
it's no different than with Aaron Glenn or whoever. The
defensive coaches. The number one question is how who is
your offensive coordinator? And how do you figure out the
quarterback position. You could be the greatest leader, You could
be the greatest galvanizer and run the best locker room
and run the best If your offense isn't good, defensive
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coaches get fired.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You look at you you look at Zach Taylor in Cincinnati,
or you look at offensive coaches. When their offense is
really good and their defense struggles, the defensive coordinator gets replaced.
When defensive coaches Robert Sala, for example, when he got fired,
they were a top five defense in the league. It
was the offense that was struggling. Aaron Rodgers wasn't playing
up to expectations. The offense was underachieving, and they fired
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the defensive guys. So like, it's just it's the quandary
that these defensive coaches find themselves in.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And I don't think it's their fault.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Everybody wants a good offense, whether you're winning and losing,
everybody wants a good offense. Offensive coaches, when they're the
head coach, it takes a long time for them to
get fired. They probably only get fired if they don't
have a good they don't have a good offense or
obviously a star quarterback. And you look at McDermott, you
look at some of the really long time, really good
defensive coaches. They're able to weather the storm of the
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ups and downs of being on the defensive side because
they have Hall of Fame quarterbacks. So if he can
bring in a young Russell, you know, Russell Wilson, and
he can figure it out as quickly as he did
in Seattle, he's a home run.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, you had told me you were devastated when you
were drafted by Chicago and traded because you and I
both share this. We love Chicago as a city. It's big,
the architecture, the people, the passion, and the food. It's
one of North America's great hubs. So for Ben Johnson,
you know, he'd go there for a couple of days
with the Lions playing in Chicago. Explain what it's like,
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the bigness, the volume, the intensity, what's been going to face.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I mean my first four years in Chicago, so
it's a special place. And I remember when I got
drafted there. I was coming out of Miami. But again,
for anyone that's been to Miami, it's a city, it's
not really like a college football town. It has a
lot of other perks and a lot of other fun
aspects in the tradition of the program, but it's not
Tuscaloose to Alabama. It's not Athens, Georgia. Right, It's not
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one of those like towns. Then you go to Chicago
and it's this big, metropolitan, big city, but on game
day during the fall, it feels like a small college town.
It feels like you are everyone there is living, breathing,
dying with the Bears, and it's just a really fun,
passionate fan base. And you know, to add a guy
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like Ben Johnson, who seems to have been kind of
the bell of the ball over the last three hiring cycles.
He's been very calculated on the interviews that he's taken,
on the jobs that he's turned down, and he was
waiting for the right nick. So I mean, you could
I thought watching his press conference you could see it
on his face. That's a roster that has some built
in wins. I always kind of judge a job like
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as far as would you take that job, saying like
by just getting organized and just kind of getting everything
set up, how many wins are built into that roster,
and I think at some teams the roster is kind
of maxed out under the previous coach and you've got a.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Lot of building to do.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And then I think at other teams like Chicago, I
think there's wins baked into that roster with Ben Johnson
and his ability to develop Caleb Williams and his ability
to handle those end of game situations that Chicago let
them kind of get away, and that's the difference between
winning for or four more games. So it's a fun
fan group. They've been they've been looking for a star
quarterback and stability at head coach.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
The last stability they had was Lovey, you know, and
they let him go through a ten win season. So
they're hoping that this is the head coach quarterback combination
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So you called three different Eagle games. So you saw
this offense improve and mature, I said, I said the
other day, I said, there are drives when I watched
Philadelphia and I think, how do they ever punt? I
mean literally, it's like nine Pro Bowl players, how do
they ever punt? What did you see? Show me? The
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growth that you saw in the three games were they different?
Was it the same thing?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I said.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So we called that crazy game against Washington where you know,
Hurts went out in the first quarter. Saquon got off
to the crazy start. He had like one hundred yards
in the first quarter. Then Jalen Hurts got hurt, he
went down, they went to the backup and it kind
of spiraled on him and and you know, jayde Daniels
came back and took him down to win that unbelievable game.
And I remember we came on to the broadcast and
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I was very clear. I was like, make no mistake
about it. This is the best roster in football. This
is the best team in football. And we just spent
all this time talking about the offensive skill positions and
of course the offensive line. And I know, I know
Hurts comes under fire. Here's what I will say about
Hurts when he plays on time from the pocket. And
it's kind of an interesting conversation because you look at
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him and you think back to his time in college,
and you look at him in the physicality, and he's
an athlete and he can run. And usually going into
games against quarterbacks like him, you say, hey, keep them
in the pocket, make them you know, don't let him scramble.
I think Jalen's actually better when he plays on time
and he plays from the pocket. He can beat you
as a scramble runner. But I think it's really to
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scramble passing that he doesn't necessarily do like some of
the other quote unquote scramble quarterbacks. But you look at
the offensive line and the group they have. They have
the best two offensive tackles in the league. They're getting
all of their eligibles out into the format and out
of the formation every single play. Because on most teams,
you're chiping edges, your running back is helping out on
a backside tackle. But with Myilatta and Lane Johnson, you're
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blocking five on five pretty much every play. And all
of a sudden, you've got Saquon and Kenneth Gainwell into
the checkdown and if you don't back up. I got
aj Brown and DeVante Smith putting a ton of pressure,
deep layers into my secondary. And then the magic of
it all was adding Saquon, And I think there's this
conversation of him, my God, I can't believe this would
have been the Giants if it was Saquon, and it
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would not have It's just the combination of Saquon's unique
ability and the scheme and the system he went into
was the perfect marriage. So you factor all of the
offense on top of a Vic Fangio defense that went
from pretty much last to first in the league and defense,
and I agree if this was a best of five series,
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I'm not sure if you're beating if any team in
the league is beating Philly best of five. But as
we know, it's a one game series week after week,
and in critical moments, there's nobody better than Patrick Mahomes
in Kansas City. When they need to have a stop,
need to have a third or fourth down conversion. They
have the best play call at the right moment at
all times, and that's really been the key to their success.
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Speaker 1 (09:00):
So when these two, matt a couple of years ago,
you were doing the game in the Super Bowl, what
do you remember? What are one or two things that
stuck out to you? Maybe personnel or scheme wise.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I mean, I remember going into the game and we're
trying to map out. Okay, you know we have Philadelphia,
and this was really at the onset of the quarterback
sneak and the tush push and how they used third
and fourth down to their advantage, and they wanted to
get a lead, and they put so much pressure on
you early in games by going forward on fourth down.
And we talked a lot about how third down they
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would actually just treat as second because they knew they
always in their back pocket had another yard and a
half to two yards with the quarterback sneak, and it
turned into just like an offensive slug fest. I mean,
both teams scored thirty five plus and Jalen Hurst probably
played the best game of the season and he was
the you know, runner up MVP to some mahomes that year,
which is saying a lot. He had the one fumble
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that they scooped and scored. Outside of that, he was incredible.
He had the deep touchdown to aj Brown. They were efficient,
They didn't run the ball real well. Jalen Hurts was.
He was their leading rusher that game. They didn't get
a lot out of Miles Sanders and the rest. So
I think that's obviously going to be a little bit different.
But listen, it's pretty remarkable that. You know, it seems
like go the last couple of years, it's been Kansas
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City and then a rematch, and they got San Francisco
again last.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Year and pulled it off at the end.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
And you know, we'll see now they get another, you know,
Philadelphia gets another crack.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
At him here in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Finally, yesterday I said, there's a lot about Steve Spagnola
and Andy are so good and they've been so good
for so long. And it does help when you have mahomes.
It's easy to be a great poker player when you
always have the best cards, right that that helps. And
I think the Chiefs front seven defensively and McDuffie on
the corner. I think it's really underrated. I think Chris
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Jones a Hall of Famer. But the Tush push bothered
me because I felt very early in the game. The
reason it works in Philly is that Jalen hurts his
five to eleven squat six hundred pounds. He literally disappears
into a wall of green. They practice it, they're all in.
It is the standard of the Toush push. And then
Buffalo telegraphs. It always goes left. He's six seven, he
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jumps up with a ball in the air, and I'm like, guys,
he's a pinata. Justin Herbert tried that once and quit
doing it. And I don't like questioning coaches. It drove
me nuts the constant. Hey, I mean, McDermott said, we
kind of let Josh just, you know, go make a play.
I don't think you beat Andy Reid that way, but
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now you played in that. He had success in the
regular season doing that. Am I being overly critical on
that toush push? And you would if you have Josh
use him.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, I mean I understand in certain situations that play
is your highest percentage ability to convert on third or
fourth and short, whatever the down and distance is, especially
when you have such a physical body at the quarterback position.
And I remember for years with Cam we ran a
lot of quarterback sneaks. Now we didn't get everybody up
there behind them to push because how we used to
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do it with Cam again different than how Philly has
really kind of revolutionized that.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
No one does it as good as them.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
But when we used to do it, we used to
have a design play so we would call a play
in the huddle that was you know, you know, a
two back power or quarterback whatever, a pass play or
run play, whatever the play was, and then we would
alert into the quarterback sneak. So what that allowed us
to do was if you didn't cover up all the
interior gaps and play your linebackers in a walk to
position and really sell out in the two A gaps
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between the guard and the center, we would then just
alert one word and make the call set hut and
everyone would turn it into quarterback sneak. And then if
you wanted to be everyone up on the middle, everyone's
head over the ball, we had another play. The back
was at normal distance, the wide receivers or whatever the
formation where we're at normal splits and alignments, so we
didn't have to run it into every look. And I
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think what's happened is these other these teams around the
league have seen Philadelphia be able to say it doesn't
matter if you bring in fifty players, you can line
up the entire team in the A gaps and they're
going to get it at ninety eight percent clip. It's
just not the case for everybody else. So as Kansas
City continue to sell out as they continue to squeeze
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down their edges and put so many bodies in the box.
With the approach that Josh has, which is take it
kind of back up and run almost off tackle, sweep
to the left, the timing's just a little different, the
bodies are a little bit different, and you know, they
got it a couple times, and of course they didn't
get it on the big one. So I think people realize,
don't realize just how hard it is to do what
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Philadelphia does and the amount of pressure it puts on
defenses when you get the ball and it's like first
and eight in your mind, because you know, if you
get the fourth down, I got a yard or two
as a gimme. What that does for a play caller,
I don't know if we spend enough time talking about
how much how important that is for the philosophy in
which how Philadelphia and teams like that play.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, you're good at what you do. Three Pro Bowls,
fourteen seasons in the NFL. Next time you get invited
to a big wedding, though you could invite me, You
could have given me a text or something. I would
have loved to have joined me. This summer that's on
McCaffrey that it kind of is on Christian Good see anybody,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Thanks man, all.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Right, great Greg Gulfson. Boy, that Buffalo Kansas City game,
I haven't watched it again. I usually midweek NFL Network
will have a game on about Wednesday. I'm sitting around
you know me tee totaler, going to bed at like
seven forty five. What do you rolling your eyes at?
And I'll watch games for a second time. My wife
will be like that game was just on Sunday, and
I'm like, yeah, now I got clarity. You ever done
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that with a movie that a movie was so good
you went the next day to watch it because you've
got so up tight.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
To mo recently Dune Dune too. Did you see that?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
By the way?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Too great?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Amazing? And it was on cable again the next day.
I was like, I'm gonna watch this again.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
It was that good. But I would not watch Chiefs
Bills again. Now that was some of those calls in
the second half. That's a joke.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Cheefs fans stand down and it's okay, Jay.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Mack with the news, turn on the news.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
This is the herd line Cowboys. Brian Schottenheimer. The Cowboys
new head coaches starting to go to staff.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
He has hired.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Drum roll please Matt Iberflus as his defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's not bad, that's not terrible. Here's good DC. He's
good DC. He's really good DC.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Can believe be better than ZIPR? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yesterday when the Cowboys do head coach was introduced, he
had some pretty big checks. He think his quarterback will
be able to cash.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
My vision for him is he's one of the best,
and through the coaching that he's going to get, through
the hours and hours and hours of time that he
and I will spend together, he's gonna play elite level
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football and he's gonna lead us the championships.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Okay, well, I like ever Flus. We'll see. You know,
Jerry saved a lot of money on this higher.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
No great billionaire saving money?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Love that? How about build a great staff? Everra plus
is not cheap, Go buy a great staff. Who is
that Bobby Slowick? Go get him as your OC. Listen,
I've said this, I'm not I think Brian shot Number
is a nice guy, but Bobby Slowack just got let
go in Houston, spend the money on the staff. I
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mean the Raiders are paying now fore head coaches in
three general managers, you got money in dollar.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
My counter to that is, if you're slowick and you
look around the landscape, and yesterday you and I said
this like Schottenheimer could be gone in a year or two, right, right,
Why would you want to attach yourself to that team
when you're just gonna be looking for work again in
the in the near future. It wouldn't it be smarter
to pick a really good job where you think you'll
be hanging out.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Like Pete Carroll not gonna get run off by.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
The Raiders anytime soon. Right, He's a professional coach. The
Raiders are cycling through guys. I think that's a more
stable job than this Dallas situation.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
No, I wouldn't say stable and Raiders oh is. I
think Pete's there for the long term. But my take is,
if I don't love like, I think what Ben Johnson
is doing in Chicago with the Bears is really smart.
He goes and gets he's going to be a mentor
for a twenty eight year old whiz kid. You know
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he's not going to be leaving him anytime nobody's gonna
hire a twenty nine to thirty year old coach, right,
and then he's going and getting a defensive coordinator Dennis Allen,
who's not going to get another head coaching job in
Chicago's a fun city to play, and so Dennis to
coach in so so Ben Johnson has done the best
job to me of hiring a staff. I want to
watch Pete. I think Brabil did a good job. But
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a lot of this is do you get if you're
if you are an offensive coach, you don't worry about OC.
You got to get the DC right. And I think
so Chicago. I think Dennis Allen's a very good DC
higher and I think Schottenneimer. I think Ebert flu is
an excellent defensive heart.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
It's interesting the way you contrast Chicago and Dallas.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I just thought, like, if you were making a list
of the most interesting teams to you for this coming season,
interesting in the NFC, I don't care about ratings or
any of that, just interest to you. Are the Dallas
Cowboys in the NFC?
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Even top ten?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Top of my head? I don't know. I would say
most interesting teams Minnesota if they move off Darnold with
JJ McCarthy, I want to see him play that.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
No, Washington's interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
They're one hundred thousand percent Chicago obviously, Ben Johnson, and
I think.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Chicago is probably number one with Ben and Caleb. I
think Minnesota with JJ McCarthy, who was so good in
the preseason's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I mean the rock party stuff like I just you
go down the list that I'm thinking, like Dallas just
I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Why I would make this argument, and we've been saying
this for years. The Kansas City Chiefs are America's team.
They are America's team. They have a super star quarterback
that's likable, They're the best team. Taylor Swift is connected.
They're in the middle of the country. They've always had
a good brand. I mean, Kansas City has been good
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a lot of times. I think there. I have not
asked Fox because we have NFC over AFC. I believe
America's team is I mean like Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm sorry,
like the days of people really caring about Baltimore to me,
is much better watch than Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Okay, so you say America's team, but if you removed
Pennsylvania and Kansas City you removed there. I think he's
gonna get a good rating nation wide. Who do you
think people are rooting for Philadelphia?
Speaker 6 (19:38):
So how can they be America?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Conde Well's Yankees are the most popular baseball team. Half
the country roots against them. The Warriors. The Warriors felt
like for about eight years they were the face of
the league, not the Lakers or Celtics. So I think
I think part of being America's team is your you
have to be good. Well, nobody's gonna I mean San
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Antonio Spurs were great. They were barely Texas's team. They
weren't that interesting. So I think Kansas City is America's team.
I would say Green Bay is second. And I think,
and I'll tell you this, I think people out east
don't understand this. I would say the Niners are third.
If you go to an NFL game where the Niners
anywhere west of the Mississippi are playing, the stadium is
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like thirty five percent Niners fans.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Green Bay's a bit of a reach, you think.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So Jordan Love walked into a Starbucks in your town,
as anybody know.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Who he is, I'd buy him alatte and say, young man,
I've got your back.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Stop throwing interceptions, all right, next story. It's interesting you
mentioned Bobby Slowick.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Okay, potentially for the Cowboys, because a crazy story just
popped up.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Reportedly, c J Stroud and.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
His former offensive coordinator Bobby Slowick got into an altercation
what during the pre draft process.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
According to Lance Zerline, here he is telling the story.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
Bobby Slowick is trying to tell him some stuff and
CJ just says, oh, yeah, I know that we call
this whatever would be at Ohio State. Maybe it happened
a couple of times, and Bobby just kind of jumped
him and said, I don't give what you called Ohstate.
Bobby kind of got in his face about it. You know,
CJ's not one to back down at all. CJ jumped
up and got back in his face, and it.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Was very contentious. It had to be kind of broken up. Well,
CJ went to his next draft meeting. I talked to
the team where CJ went.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
They said, we asked CJ how his last visit went,
which is Houston.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
He said terrible.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
CJ's whole crew did not want him to go to Houston.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Wow, that is interesting. CJ's whole crew didn't want him
to go there, So Bobby didn't get along with CJ. Strouding.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
That's before he was even on the Texa.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
That's ugly slow it.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's gonna be tough to I mean, assuming this is
Lancer lines credible, assuming this checks out.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's not a good Lance later said in the interview.
They squashed it last year during his rookie season. But
it is an interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Behind the scenes. You and I have had some words,
you know, to to to, but we squashed it. Like
you never show hands or whatever they said that was.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Or that we're lying.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Of course we're joking.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Strauhan throwing hands apparently buried the hatchet and they worked
through their problems.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
But wow, that that's a bit of a surprise.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, slow it got run out of town, so you
knew something was up. I mean, if you don't get
along with somebody, you'd have a run in, even if
you don't throw hands, and then you you squash it
and you get along. That stuff never leaves, guys, are
I think it's still back there. It's still in the
compartmentalized it, but it's back there, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Final story, Colin is one team still does not have
a head coach.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
That's the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Weird reps for the Saints flew to Philly to interview.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Kellen Moore for the second time.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Mike McCarthy was a front runner, but it seems like
maybe he's out of the running.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
What is happening in New Orleans? Holy cow, Kellen Moore's fine.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I thought he had a good game against this the
one I think it's I think he's like, hand the
ball off.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
What's happening now? This is what's happening, and I'm talking
to a GM last night, is that the reality is
even the Raiders, who are not a big revenue team,
they're paying currently three gms and four coaches because they've
had some new people coming into ownership spots. So the
reality is these these owners now it doesn't matter, They're
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going to roll the dice on somebody young and hot,
and if that person doesn't work in two years, they've
just they write them in forty two million dollars check
and move on and get a new staff.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
He moved down the list of Eagles responsible for them
being in the Super Bowl. And I don't even know
if Kellen Moore's sniffs the top of it right, it's
like Jalen Carter, Jalen Hurts, Sa Kwon Barkley obviously would
be number one. But like Kellen Moore, I don't particularly
see it, but maybe other people do, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think it would be a sea higher, be a
like an Aaron Glen Hym. It's a c It's fine.
I'm a good coordinator. I'm not sure he's a head coach.
Throwing hands? What did I call it? I called it
showing him. I mean like you don't go to a
fight and go hear in my hands. You don't show them.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Yes, run look at coward throwing some punches. There you
against Jake Paul next, huh, yeah about.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
That, Jake, Jake Paul j Mickle the news.
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Speaker 1 (25:44):
Did you see Arizona beat Iowa State last night?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I saw the highlights. I did not watch the game.
Iowa State's supposed to be really good. They are good,
kind of boring uniforms. But Arizona, you know Hotail Center four.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
I love how you're getting into college tubes out well.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I do that late January I start watching it.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Should we look at some games on the card tonight?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Or will you bet college back?
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I haven't you know two and three on Saturday. So
I was a little TikTok.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But if I paid you to give me picks, I don't.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Think we should talk about this on air.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's how good you are, not a bad idea. You're
so good on your college basketball picks. It's kind of daunting.
I'm kind of intimidated. This guy's breaking down Duke Caine
Xavier tonight the over.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
I'm not giving that out, by.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
The way, it is it so Nick and I were
talking about this. It's interesting when you watched Michael what's funny.
I can remember being on a couch watching Michael Jordan
play against Barkley in the finals, and I remember saying
this to somebody I was with. I was like, he's
the best player on the floor. And it was a
great finals with a bunch of players, like I was
in Vegas, a bunch of great players. I think it
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was Kevin Johnson, Barkley, Pippen, Jordan, I mean, all sorts
of great players. And I'm like, and Barkley was very
good in that series. Dan Marley, I'm like, it's almost
like he's just effortless, effortlessly the best player in the game.
And I feel that with Like when you watch Otanni
with the Dodgers, You're like, I mean, Mookie Betts is great,
Freddie Freeman's amazing. Otani didn't even pitch this year. He's
(27:18):
an ace as a pitcher. And when you watch Mahomes,
you know, Michael Jordan, even though Bill Russell had eleven titles,
you watch Jordan and you're like, yeah, this is the
best basketball player I'd ever seen. Magic was good, Kareem
was amazing. But you know it's I never That's why
I've said Dan Reno was amazing. He got to won
(27:39):
Super Bowl. I'm not titles don't mean everything. Now, obviously
we stack players based on on on rings, and Brady's
the greatest quarterback for a lot of reasons. He had
the right size, he had a better than average arm,
he was super smart, he was highly competitive, he was
wildly accurate, he was super clutch. I mean, there's a
million reasons why he's great. But I was asking Nick right,
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because Mahomes the biggest fan he has outside of his family.
Is Nick right? And there are the when you watch
Patrick play compared to Peyton and you know Brady and
all the great ones, You're just like, man, he's doing
stuff I've never seen. So I asked Nick, the ultimate
Mahomes fan. He never gonna stack the trophies, probably that
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Tom's done. But how do you consider the debate if
he wins three in a row.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
The guy has been the best player in the league
since the first game he played, and we've never seen
that before. He's never had a down year, He's never
had a down season. So here's what I would say.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
I think he's the.
Speaker 11 (28:40):
Best player ever. I think Tom is the greatest of
all time. I look at those two different things. If
Patrick were to pull off a three pete, I not
only do I no longer think he has to get
to eight, I don't think he has to get to
seven for it to be a consensus opinion. I think
if Patrick pulls off a three and gets six rings
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and it's then it's like, Okay, he's just the greatest
we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And I think one of the things, as we'll show
mahomes highlights, is one of the things that I think
is really noticeable and it feels very mj to me,
is that he literally elevates, he goes to another level
in these big games, like he's he's always good, but
he had eleven rushes in that game. That is so
Michael Jordan. Jordan was one player on a Tuesday night
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against the Raptors. He was another against Charles Barkley in
the finals. He was just more intense. And it's not
that he was bored, but the human body. You're not
gonna get the same human being in every game. Now
the NFL is gonna expand to eighteen games, so I mean,
you're not gonna get the same Mahomes in every game.
He's gonna be dinged up. He's not gonna have his
right tackle or a starting running back but I'm watching
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him in that game from the very first series on.
You're like, oh, he's shifted gears and and Andy Reid similarly,
I show you the entire playbook. I said this the
other night, mah or the other day. Mahomes plays in
these big games, like when you were a kid in
the summer and you were like, you know, fourteen, fifteen
years old and your parents said, no curfew tonight, just
(30:14):
be safe, go out. You have friends in town, no curfew,
but you know, be reasonable, and you were allowed to
have a little more fun than usually. Mom and dad
let you have. That's what I feel the playoff games are,
and not just the playoff games because Houston it didn't
feel that way first series against Buffalo. Oh it's a
different Patrick Mahomes. And if you didn't watch Jordan play,
and many of you didn't, if you're twenty or thirty,
(30:35):
you didn't see him play live, if you'll watch Jordan
and when he would face the Utahs or the Cavaliers
or like the Pistons, he went from a plus to
a plus plus different. Josh Allen was nervous Sunday in
his first drive almostly two bicks. I mean Mahomes was
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surgical and and that's why I say they all wore
red Tiger on Sunday, Mahomes on Sunday, and and Jordan
on those big, you know, close out NBA games. Just different,
like nothing I've ever seen. And I've said before the
only great athlete I never saw in my life play
that I really wish I did was Sandy Kofax, who
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for three years was virtually unhittable in baseball. Unhita, we
had six good years, uh, six great years. Three was unhittable.
And that's so I when I see a Mahomes, I'm like,
I'm glad I'm around for it. And I know, you know,
people take sides. Now Jmack does not believe their America's team.
He thinks half the country hates him. I think I
think Taylor Swift, if there was a coin flip, I
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think Taylor Swift is the deciding factor to America's team
if you're on the edge, if it's this team or that.
Now I feel Dallas has fallen. I thought Pittsburgh fell
several years ago. So let's back up.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
What is the definition of America's team?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You will drive the biggest number whatever network. You go on,
you will dry of the biggest number, and you will
drive the discussion on Monday after the games. It doesn't
matter if it's Monday Night Football, Thursday.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
That's interesting because I mean I don't have every single
Monday line up. But we didn't always lead with the Chiefs.
On Mondays. This season, we've probably led with the Cowboys,
who were a bit of a dumpster.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
No. No, I think. I think we led a lot with Buffalo,
We led a lot with Santomore, Baltimore, Troy. No. I
mean I we led with a lot of different games.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Now.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I mean, if you just going by ratings America scene
and you can you know, basically just look at the
numbers and see who drives.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Also, I think, and I've said this before, when I
turn the TV on, this is why I always say,
Lamar Jackson's great. If Lamar's playing, I never turned the channel.
That's the game after you put four games up, Lamar's playing,
That's the one I watch, except for Mahomes. But I
I think when I think of Dallas as, I don't
even they're they're a corner TV game unless they're played
like Philadelphia. I'm just not that interested in them. They're not.
(32:54):
It's not even polarizing. They're just boring.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Well again, I've argued this for most of the season.
I find the Chiefs this season to be boring. I
know they're eighteen to two or whatever, they don't lose games.
I just don't find them like an amazing watch. I
thought Buffalo is a better watch, did I? Okay, yeah,
with Josh Allen and Coche.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I thought this year Buffalo was, on average, the better.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Watch, but ones in the super Bowl the other's time.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I know who the better team is.
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so I just wrap my arms around it when I can.
And there's some things that I really really want to
jump into today, so let's bring them on. First. Greg
Olsen Live, Fox Sports fourteen years, three time Crow Bowl
or great teammate here at Fox. So I want to start.
(00:43):
I'm gonna get to eventually. You had the Eagles three
times this year. I'm gonna get to that. And you
also had Chiefs Eagles Super Bowl. I'm gonna get to that.
I want to start with the coaching hires. So I'm
a big believer in every team needs something different. I
thought Pete Carroll to the Raiders is a great hire.
(01:04):
You played with him in Seattle for a couple of years.
For Raider fans, what will Pete provide? Because you always felt,
really you really liked Pete if I recall, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So, I think the thing when it comes to Pete,
and again I had him just for one season in Seattle,
I think there's so many And I told everyone when
I came home, I'm like, there's a lot of things
that every one day or there was a magic wand
and you said, Okay, you're in charge of a team,
and you've got to run team meeting, and you've got
to handle situational play calling during the week in preparation
and had a model week to week practice schedules and
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communication and vision all of that. Pete is a plus.
He is as organized and as diligent and as good
as anybody that I've ever been around in all of
those things. I think the question that comes with a
guy like Pete, You're gonna get the leadership and the experience,
all that is a given. I think the question you
get with a higher like Pete is no different than
any other defensive coach.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And you touched on it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was listening to your last segment before the and
it's no different than with Aaron Glenn or whoever. The
defensive coaches. The number one question is how who is
your offensive coordinator? And how do you figure out the
quarterback position. You could be the greatest leader, You could
be the greatest galvanizer and run the best locker room
and run the best If your offense isn't good, defensive
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coaches get fired.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You look at you you look at Zach Taylor in Cincinnati,
or you look at offensive coaches. When their offense is
really good and their defense struggles, the defensive coordinator gets replaced.
When defensive coaches Robert Sala, for example, when he got fired,
they were a top five defense in the league. It
was the offense that was struggling. Aaron Rodgers wasn't playing
up to expectations. The offense was underachieving, and they fired
(02:45):
the defensive guys. So like, it's just it's the quandary
that these defensive coaches find themselves in.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And I don't think it's their fault.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Everybody wants a good offense, whether you're winning and losing,
everybody wants a good offense. Offensive coaches, when they're the
head coach, it takes a long time for them to
get fired. They probably only get fired if they don't
have a good they don't have a good offense or
obviously a star quarterback. And you look at McDermott, you
look at some of the really long time, really good
defensive coaches. They're able to weather the storm of the
(03:15):
ups and downs of being on the defensive side because
they have Hall of Fame quarterbacks. So if he can
bring in a young Russell, you know, Russell Wilson, and
he can figure it out as quickly as he did
in Seattle, he's a home run.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, you had told me you were devastated when you
were drafted by Chicago and traded because you and I
both share this. We love Chicago as a city. It's big,
the architecture, the people, the passion, and the food. It's
one of North America's great hubs. So for Ben Johnson,
you know, he'd go there for a couple of days
with the Lions playing in Chicago. Explain what it's like,
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the bigness, the volume, the intensity, what's been going to face.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I mean my first four years in Chicago, so
it's a special place. And I remember when I got
drafted there. I was coming out of Miami. But again,
for anyone that's been to Miami, it's a city, it's
not really like a college football town. It has a
lot of other perks and a lot of other fun
aspects in the tradition of the program, but it's not
Tuscaloose to Alabama. It's not Athens, Georgia. Right, It's not
(04:19):
one of those like towns. Then you go to Chicago
and it's this big, metropolitan, big city, but on game
day during the fall, it feels like a small college town.
It feels like you are everyone there is living, breathing,
dying with the Bears, and it's just a really fun,
passionate fan base. And you know, to add a guy
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like Ben Johnson, who seems to have been kind of
the bell of the ball over the last three hiring cycles.
He's been very calculated on the interviews that he's taken,
on the jobs that he's turned down, and he was
waiting for the right nick. So I mean, you could
I thought watching his press conference you could see it
on his face. That's a roster that has some built
in wins. I always kind of judge a job like
(05:02):
as far as would you take that job, saying like
by just getting organized and just kind of getting everything
set up, how many wins are built into that roster,
and I think at some teams the roster is kind
of maxed out under the previous coach and you've got a.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Lot of building to do.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And then I think at other teams like Chicago, I
think there's wins baked into that roster with Ben Johnson
and his ability to develop Caleb Williams and his ability
to handle those end of game situations that Chicago let
them kind of get away, and that's the difference between
winning for or four more games. So it's a fun
fan group. They've been they've been looking for a star
quarterback and stability at head coach.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
The last stability they had was Lovey, you know, and
they let him go through a ten win season. So
they're hoping that this is the head coach quarterback combination
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So you called three different Eagle games. So you saw
this offense improve and mature, I said, I said the
other day, I said, there are drives when I watched
Philadelphia and I think, how do they ever punt? I
mean literally, it's like nine Pro Bowl players, how do
they ever punt? What did you see? Show me? The
(06:09):
growth that you saw in the three games were they different?
Was it the same thing?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I said.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So we called that crazy game against Washington where you know,
Hurts went out in the first quarter. Saquon got off
to the crazy start. He had like one hundred yards
in the first quarter. Then Jalen Hurts got hurt, he
went down, they went to the backup and it kind
of spiraled on him and and you know, jayde Daniels
came back and took him down to win that unbelievable game.
And I remember we came on to the broadcast and
(06:39):
I was very clear. I was like, make no mistake
about it. This is the best roster in football. This
is the best team in football. And we just spent
all this time talking about the offensive skill positions and
of course the offensive line. And I know, I know
Hurts comes under fire. Here's what I will say about
Hurts when he plays on time from the pocket. And
it's kind of an interesting conversation because you look at
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him and you think back to his time in college,
and you look at him in the physicality, and he's
an athlete and he can run. And usually going into
games against quarterbacks like him, you say, hey, keep them
in the pocket, make them you know, don't let him scramble.
I think Jalen's actually better when he plays on time
and he plays from the pocket. He can beat you
as a scramble runner. But I think it's really to
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scramble passing that he doesn't necessarily do like some of
the other quote unquote scramble quarterbacks. But you look at
the offensive line and the group they have. They have
the best two offensive tackles in the league. They're getting
all of their eligibles out into the format and out
of the formation every single play. Because on most teams,
you're chiping edges, your running back is helping out on
a backside tackle. But with Myilatta and Lane Johnson, you're
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blocking five on five pretty much every play. And all
of a sudden, you've got Saquon and Kenneth Gainwell into
the checkdown and if you don't back up. I got
aj Brown and DeVante Smith putting a ton of pressure,
deep layers into my secondary. And then the magic of
it all was adding Saquon, And I think there's this
conversation of him, my God, I can't believe this would
have been the Giants if it was Saquon, and it
(08:08):
would not have It's just the combination of Saquon's unique
ability and the scheme and the system he went into
was the perfect marriage. So you factor all of the
offense on top of a Vic Fangio defense that went
from pretty much last to first in the league and defense,
and I agree if this was a best of five series,
(08:28):
I'm not sure if you're beating if any team in
the league is beating Philly best of five. But as
we know, it's a one game series week after week,
and in critical moments, there's nobody better than Patrick Mahomes
in Kansas City. When they need to have a stop,
need to have a third or fourth down conversion. They
have the best play call at the right moment at
all times, and that's really been the key to their success.
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Speaker 1 (09:00):
So when these two, matt a couple of years ago,
you were doing the game in the Super Bowl, what
do you remember? What are one or two things that
stuck out to you? Maybe personnel or scheme wise.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I mean, I remember going into the game and we're
trying to map out. Okay, you know we have Philadelphia,
and this was really at the onset of the quarterback
sneak and the tush push and how they used third
and fourth down to their advantage, and they wanted to
get a lead, and they put so much pressure on
you early in games by going forward on fourth down.
And we talked a lot about how third down they
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would actually just treat as second because they knew they
always in their back pocket had another yard and a
half to two yards with the quarterback sneak, and it
turned into just like an offensive slug fest. I mean,
both teams scored thirty five plus and Jalen Hurst probably
played the best game of the season and he was
the you know, runner up MVP to some mahomes that year,
which is saying a lot. He had the one fumble
(09:50):
that they scooped and scored. Outside of that, he was incredible.
He had the deep touchdown to aj Brown. They were efficient,
They didn't run the ball real well. Jalen Hurts was.
He was their leading rusher that game. They didn't get
a lot out of Miles Sanders and the rest. So
I think that's obviously going to be a little bit different.
But listen, it's pretty remarkable that. You know, it seems
like go the last couple of years, it's been Kansas
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City and then a rematch, and they got San Francisco
again last.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Year and pulled it off at the end.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
And you know, we'll see now they get another, you know,
Philadelphia gets another crack.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
At him here in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Finally, yesterday I said, there's a lot about Steve Spagnola
and Andy are so good and they've been so good
for so long. And it does help when you have mahomes.
It's easy to be a great poker player when you
always have the best cards, right that that helps. And
I think the Chiefs front seven defensively and McDuffie on
the corner. I think it's really underrated. I think Chris
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Jones a Hall of Famer. But the Tush push bothered
me because I felt very early in the game. The
reason it works in Philly is that Jalen hurts his
five to eleven squat six hundred pounds. He literally disappears
into a wall of green. They practice it, they're all in.
It is the standard of the Toush push. And then
Buffalo telegraphs. It always goes left. He's six seven, he
(11:09):
jumps up with a ball in the air, and I'm like, guys,
he's a pinata. Justin Herbert tried that once and quit
doing it. And I don't like questioning coaches. It drove
me nuts the constant. Hey, I mean, McDermott said, we
kind of let Josh just, you know, go make a play.
I don't think you beat Andy Reid that way, but
(11:29):
now you played in that. He had success in the
regular season doing that. Am I being overly critical on
that toush push? And you would if you have Josh
use him.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, I mean I understand in certain situations that play
is your highest percentage ability to convert on third or
fourth and short, whatever the down and distance is, especially
when you have such a physical body at the quarterback position.
And I remember for years with Cam we ran a
lot of quarterback sneaks. Now we didn't get everybody up
there behind them to push because how we used to
(12:02):
do it with Cam again different than how Philly has
really kind of revolutionized that.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
No one does it as good as them.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
But when we used to do it, we used to
have a design play so we would call a play
in the huddle that was you know, you know, a
two back power or quarterback whatever, a pass play or
run play, whatever the play was, and then we would
alert into the quarterback sneak. So what that allowed us
to do was if you didn't cover up all the
interior gaps and play your linebackers in a walk to
position and really sell out in the two A gaps
(12:30):
between the guard and the center, we would then just
alert one word and make the call set hut and
everyone would turn it into quarterback sneak. And then if
you wanted to be everyone up on the middle, everyone's
head over the ball, we had another play. The back
was at normal distance, the wide receivers or whatever the
formation where we're at normal splits and alignments, so we
didn't have to run it into every look. And I
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think what's happened is these other these teams around the
league have seen Philadelphia be able to say it doesn't
matter if you bring in fifty players, you can line
up the entire team in the A gaps and they're
going to get it at ninety eight percent clip. It's
just not the case for everybody else. So as Kansas
City continue to sell out as they continue to squeeze
(13:13):
down their edges and put so many bodies in the box.
With the approach that Josh has, which is take it
kind of back up and run almost off tackle, sweep
to the left, the timing's just a little different, the
bodies are a little bit different, and you know, they
got it a couple times, and of course they didn't
get it on the big one. So I think people realize,
don't realize just how hard it is to do what
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Philadelphia does and the amount of pressure it puts on
defenses when you get the ball and it's like first
and eight in your mind, because you know, if you
get the fourth down, I got a yard or two
as a gimme. What that does for a play caller,
I don't know if we spend enough time talking about
how much how important that is for the philosophy in
which how Philadelphia and teams like that play.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, you're good at what you do. Three Pro Bowls,
fourteen seasons in the NFL. Next time you get invited
to a big wedding, though you could invite me, You
could have given me a text or something. I would
have loved to have joined me. This summer that's on
McCaffrey that it kind of is on Christian Good see anybody,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Thanks man, all.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Right, great Greg Gulfson. Boy, that Buffalo Kansas City game,
I haven't watched it again. I usually midweek NFL Network
will have a game on about Wednesday. I'm sitting around
you know me tee totaler, going to bed at like
seven forty five. What do you rolling your eyes at?
And I'll watch games for a second time. My wife
will be like that game was just on Sunday, and
I'm like, yeah, now I got clarity. You ever done
(14:35):
that with a movie that a movie was so good
you went the next day to watch it because you've
got so up tight.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
To mo recently Dune Dune too. Did you see that?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
By the way?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Too great?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Amazing? And it was on cable again the next day.
I was like, I'm gonna watch this again.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
It was that good. But I would not watch Chiefs
Bills again. Now that was some of those calls in
the second half. That's a joke.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Cheefs fans stand down and it's okay, Jay.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Mack with the news, turn on the news.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
This is the herd line Cowboys. Brian Schottenheimer. The Cowboys
new head coaches starting to go to staff.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
He has hired.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Drum roll please Matt Iberflus as his defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's not bad, that's not terrible. Here's good DC. He's
good DC. He's really good DC.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Can believe be better than ZIPR? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yesterday when the Cowboys do head coach was introduced, he
had some pretty big checks. He think his quarterback will
be able to cash.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
My vision for him is he's one of the best,
and through the coaching that he's going to get, through
the hours and hours and hours of time that he
and I will spend together, he's gonna play elite level
(15:58):
football and he's gonna lead us the championships.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Okay, well, I like ever Flus. We'll see. You know,
Jerry saved a lot of money on this higher.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
No great billionaire saving money?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Love that? How about build a great staff? Everra plus
is not cheap, Go buy a great staff. Who is
that Bobby Slowick? Go get him as your OC. Listen,
I've said this, I'm not I think Brian shot Number
is a nice guy, but Bobby Slowack just got let
go in Houston, spend the money on the staff. I
(16:31):
mean the Raiders are paying now fore head coaches in
three general managers, you got money in dollar.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
My counter to that is, if you're slowick and you
look around the landscape, and yesterday you and I said
this like Schottenheimer could be gone in a year or two, right, right,
Why would you want to attach yourself to that team
when you're just gonna be looking for work again in
the in the near future. It wouldn't it be smarter
to pick a really good job where you think you'll
be hanging out.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Like Pete Carroll not gonna get run off by.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
The Raiders anytime soon. Right, He's a professional coach. The
Raiders are cycling through guys. I think that's a more
stable job than this Dallas situation.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
No, I wouldn't say stable and Raiders oh is. I
think Pete's there for the long term. But my take is,
if I don't love like, I think what Ben Johnson
is doing in Chicago with the Bears is really smart.
He goes and gets he's going to be a mentor
for a twenty eight year old whiz kid. You know
(17:25):
he's not going to be leaving him anytime nobody's gonna
hire a twenty nine to thirty year old coach, right,
and then he's going and getting a defensive coordinator Dennis Allen,
who's not going to get another head coaching job in
Chicago's a fun city to play, and so Dennis to
coach in so so Ben Johnson has done the best
job to me of hiring a staff. I want to
watch Pete. I think Brabil did a good job. But
(17:46):
a lot of this is do you get if you're
if you are an offensive coach, you don't worry about OC.
You got to get the DC right. And I think
so Chicago. I think Dennis Allen's a very good DC
higher and I think Schottenneimer. I think Ebert flu is
an excellent defensive heart.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
It's interesting the way you contrast Chicago and Dallas.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I just thought, like, if you were making a list
of the most interesting teams to you for this coming season,
interesting in the NFC, I don't care about ratings or
any of that, just interest to you. Are the Dallas
Cowboys in the NFC?
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Even top ten?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Top of my head? I don't know. I would say
most interesting teams Minnesota if they move off Darnold with
JJ McCarthy, I want to see him play that.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
No, Washington's interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
They're one hundred thousand percent Chicago obviously, Ben Johnson, and
I think.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Chicago is probably number one with Ben and Caleb. I
think Minnesota with JJ McCarthy, who was so good in
the preseason's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I mean the rock party stuff like I just you
go down the list that I'm thinking, like Dallas just
I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Why I would make this argument, and we've been saying
this for years. The Kansas City Chiefs are America's team.
They are America's team. They have a super star quarterback
that's likable, They're the best team. Taylor Swift is connected.
They're in the middle of the country. They've always had
a good brand. I mean, Kansas City has been good
(19:09):
a lot of times. I think there. I have not
asked Fox because we have NFC over AFC. I believe
America's team is I mean like Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm sorry,
like the days of people really caring about Baltimore to me,
is much better watch than Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Okay, so you say America's team, but if you removed
Pennsylvania and Kansas City you removed there. I think he's
gonna get a good rating nation wide. Who do you
think people are rooting for Philadelphia?
Speaker 6 (19:38):
So how can they be America?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Conde Well's Yankees are the most popular baseball team. Half
the country roots against them. The Warriors. The Warriors felt
like for about eight years they were the face of
the league, not the Lakers or Celtics. So I think
I think part of being America's team is your you
have to be good. Well, nobody's gonna I mean San
(20:00):
Antonio Spurs were great. They were barely Texas's team. They
weren't that interesting. So I think Kansas City is America's team.
I would say Green Bay is second. And I think,
and I'll tell you this, I think people out east
don't understand this. I would say the Niners are third.
If you go to an NFL game where the Niners
anywhere west of the Mississippi are playing, the stadium is
(20:23):
like thirty five percent Niners fans.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Green Bay's a bit of a reach, you think.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So Jordan Love walked into a Starbucks in your town,
as anybody know.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Who he is, I'd buy him alatte and say, young man,
I've got your back.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Stop throwing interceptions, all right, next story. It's interesting you
mentioned Bobby Slowick.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Okay, potentially for the Cowboys, because a crazy story just
popped up.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Reportedly, c J Stroud and.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
His former offensive coordinator Bobby Slowick got into an altercation
what during the pre draft process.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
According to Lance Zerline, here he is telling the story.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
Bobby Slowick is trying to tell him some stuff and
CJ just says, oh, yeah, I know that we call
this whatever would be at Ohio State. Maybe it happened
a couple of times, and Bobby just kind of jumped
him and said, I don't give what you called Ohstate.
Bobby kind of got in his face about it. You know,
CJ's not one to back down at all. CJ jumped
up and got back in his face, and it.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Was very contentious. It had to be kind of broken up. Well,
CJ went to his next draft meeting. I talked to
the team where CJ went.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
They said, we asked CJ how his last visit went,
which is Houston.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
He said terrible.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
CJ's whole crew did not want him to go to Houston.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Wow, that is interesting. CJ's whole crew didn't want him
to go there, So Bobby didn't get along with CJ. Strouding.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
That's before he was even on the Texa.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
That's ugly slow it.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's gonna be tough to I mean, assuming this is
Lancer lines credible, assuming this checks out.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's not a good Lance later said in the interview.
They squashed it last year during his rookie season. But
it is an interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Behind the scenes. You and I have had some words,
you know, to to to, but we squashed it. Like
you never show hands or whatever they said that was.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Or that we're lying.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Of course we're joking.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Strauhan throwing hands apparently buried the hatchet and they worked
through their problems.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
But wow, that that's a bit of a surprise.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, slow it got run out of town, so you
knew something was up. I mean, if you don't get
along with somebody, you'd have a run in, even if
you don't throw hands, and then you you squash it
and you get along. That stuff never leaves, guys, are
I think it's still back there. It's still in the
compartmentalized it, but it's back there, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Final story, Colin is one team still does not have
a head coach.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
That's the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Weird reps for the Saints flew to Philly to interview.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Kellen Moore for the second time.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Mike McCarthy was a front runner, but it seems like
maybe he's out of the running.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
What is happening in New Orleans? Holy cow, Kellen Moore's fine.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I thought he had a good game against this the
one I think it's I think he's like, hand the
ball off.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
What's happening now? This is what's happening, and I'm talking
to a GM last night, is that the reality is
even the Raiders, who are not a big revenue team,
they're paying currently three gms and four coaches because they've
had some new people coming into ownership spots. So the
reality is these these owners now it doesn't matter, They're
(23:20):
going to roll the dice on somebody young and hot,
and if that person doesn't work in two years, they've
just they write them in forty two million dollars check
and move on and get a new staff.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
He moved down the list of Eagles responsible for them
being in the Super Bowl. And I don't even know
if Kellen Moore's sniffs the top of it right, it's
like Jalen Carter, Jalen Hurts, Sa Kwon Barkley obviously would
be number one. But like Kellen Moore, I don't particularly
see it, but maybe other people do, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think it would be a sea higher, be a
like an Aaron Glen Hym. It's a c It's fine.
I'm a good coordinator. I'm not sure he's a head coach.
Throwing hands? What did I call it? I called it
showing him. I mean like you don't go to a
fight and go hear in my hands. You don't show them.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Yes, run look at coward throwing some punches. There you
against Jake Paul next, huh, yeah about.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
That, Jake, Jake Paul j Mickle the news.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
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On Fox Primetime Hoops.
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Two of the biggiest best tip off.
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As the two time defending national champion Yukon Husky's take
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Speaker 1 (25:44):
Did you see Arizona beat Iowa State last night?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I saw the highlights. I did not watch the game.
Iowa State's supposed to be really good. They are good,
kind of boring uniforms. But Arizona, you know Hotail Center four.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
I love how you're getting into college tubes out well.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I do that late January I start watching it.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Should we look at some games on the card tonight?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Or will you bet college back?
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I haven't you know two and three on Saturday. So
I was a little TikTok.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But if I paid you to give me picks, I don't.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Think we should talk about this on air.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's how good you are, not a bad idea. You're
so good on your college basketball picks. It's kind of daunting.
I'm kind of intimidated. This guy's breaking down Duke Caine
Xavier tonight the over.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
I'm not giving that out, by.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
The way, it is it so Nick and I were
talking about this. It's interesting when you watched Michael what's funny.
I can remember being on a couch watching Michael Jordan
play against Barkley in the finals, and I remember saying
this to somebody I was with. I was like, he's
the best player on the floor. And it was a
great finals with a bunch of players, like I was
in Vegas, a bunch of great players. I think it
(26:56):
was Kevin Johnson, Barkley, Pippen, Jordan, I mean, all sorts
of great players. And I'm like, and Barkley was very
good in that series. Dan Marley, I'm like, it's almost
like he's just effortless, effortlessly the best player in the game.
And I feel that with Like when you watch Otanni
with the Dodgers, You're like, I mean, Mookie Betts is great,
Freddie Freeman's amazing. Otani didn't even pitch this year. He's
(27:18):
an ace as a pitcher. And when you watch Mahomes,
you know, Michael Jordan, even though Bill Russell had eleven titles,
you watch Jordan and you're like, yeah, this is the
best basketball player I'd ever seen. Magic was good, Kareem
was amazing. But you know it's I never That's why
I've said Dan Reno was amazing. He got to won
(27:39):
Super Bowl. I'm not titles don't mean everything. Now, obviously
we stack players based on on on rings, and Brady's
the greatest quarterback for a lot of reasons. He had
the right size, he had a better than average arm,
he was super smart, he was highly competitive, he was
wildly accurate, he was super clutch. I mean, there's a
million reasons why he's great. But I was asking Nick right,
(28:01):
because Mahomes the biggest fan he has outside of his family.
Is Nick right? And there are the when you watch
Patrick play compared to Peyton and you know Brady and
all the great ones, You're just like, man, he's doing
stuff I've never seen. So I asked Nick, the ultimate
Mahomes fan. He never gonna stack the trophies, probably that
(28:24):
Tom's done. But how do you consider the debate if
he wins three in a row.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
The guy has been the best player in the league
since the first game he played, and we've never seen
that before. He's never had a down year, He's never
had a down season. So here's what I would say.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
I think he's the.
Speaker 11 (28:40):
Best player ever. I think Tom is the greatest of
all time. I look at those two different things. If
Patrick were to pull off a three pete, I not
only do I no longer think he has to get
to eight, I don't think he has to get to
seven for it to be a consensus opinion. I think
if Patrick pulls off a three and gets six rings
(29:02):
and it's then it's like, Okay, he's just the greatest
we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And I think one of the things, as we'll show
mahomes highlights, is one of the things that I think
is really noticeable and it feels very mj to me,
is that he literally elevates, he goes to another level
in these big games, like he's he's always good, but
he had eleven rushes in that game. That is so
Michael Jordan. Jordan was one player on a Tuesday night
(29:31):
against the Raptors. He was another against Charles Barkley in
the finals. He was just more intense. And it's not
that he was bored, but the human body. You're not
gonna get the same human being in every game. Now
the NFL is gonna expand to eighteen games, so I mean,
you're not gonna get the same Mahomes in every game.
He's gonna be dinged up. He's not gonna have his
right tackle or a starting running back but I'm watching
(29:53):
him in that game from the very first series on.
You're like, oh, he's shifted gears and and Andy Reid similarly,
I show you the entire playbook. I said this the
other night, mah or the other day. Mahomes plays in
these big games, like when you were a kid in
the summer and you were like, you know, fourteen, fifteen
years old and your parents said, no curfew tonight, just
(30:14):
be safe, go out. You have friends in town, no curfew,
but you know, be reasonable, and you were allowed to
have a little more fun than usually. Mom and dad
let you have. That's what I feel the playoff games are,
and not just the playoff games because Houston it didn't
feel that way first series against Buffalo. Oh it's a
different Patrick Mahomes. And if you didn't watch Jordan play,
and many of you didn't, if you're twenty or thirty,
(30:35):
you didn't see him play live, if you'll watch Jordan
and when he would face the Utahs or the Cavaliers
or like the Pistons, he went from a plus to
a plus plus different. Josh Allen was nervous Sunday in
his first drive almostly two bicks. I mean Mahomes was
(30:56):
surgical and and that's why I say they all wore
red Tiger on Sunday, Mahomes on Sunday, and and Jordan
on those big, you know, close out NBA games. Just different,
like nothing I've ever seen. And I've said before the
only great athlete I never saw in my life play
that I really wish I did was Sandy Kofax, who
(31:18):
for three years was virtually unhittable in baseball. Unhita, we
had six good years, uh, six great years. Three was unhittable.
And that's so I when I see a Mahomes, I'm like,
I'm glad I'm around for it. And I know, you know,
people take sides. Now Jmack does not believe their America's team.
He thinks half the country hates him. I think I
think Taylor Swift, if there was a coin flip, I
(31:39):
think Taylor Swift is the deciding factor to America's team
if you're on the edge, if it's this team or that.
Now I feel Dallas has fallen. I thought Pittsburgh fell
several years ago. So let's back up.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
What is the definition of America's team?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You will drive the biggest number whatever network. You go on,
you will dry of the biggest number, and you will
drive the discussion on Monday after the games. It doesn't
matter if it's Monday Night Football, Thursday.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
That's interesting because I mean I don't have every single
Monday line up. But we didn't always lead with the Chiefs.
On Mondays. This season, we've probably led with the Cowboys,
who were a bit of a dumpster.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
No. No, I think. I think we led a lot with Buffalo,
We led a lot with Santomore, Baltimore, Troy. No. I
mean I we led with a lot of different games.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Now.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I mean, if you just going by ratings America scene
and you can you know, basically just look at the
numbers and see who drives.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Also, I think, and I've said this before, when I
turn the TV on, this is why I always say,
Lamar Jackson's great. If Lamar's playing, I never turned the channel.
That's the game after you put four games up, Lamar's playing,
That's the one I watch, except for Mahomes. But I
I think when I think of Dallas as, I don't
even they're they're a corner TV game unless they're played
like Philadelphia. I'm just not that interested in them. They're not.
(32:54):
It's not even polarizing. They're just boring.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Well again, I've argued this for most of the season.
I find the Chiefs this season to be boring. I
know they're eighteen to two or whatever, they don't lose games.
I just don't find them like an amazing watch. I
thought Buffalo is a better watch, did I? Okay, yeah,
with Josh Allen and Coche.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I thought this year Buffalo was, on average, the better.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Watch, but ones in the super Bowl the other's time.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I know who the better team is.
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