January 29, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin takes aim at the people continuing to hype Bronny James as an NBA player when he's clearly not at that level after a disappointing performance against the 76ers
He looks at where the Cowboys rank in the NFL right now in quarterback - head coach combos after hiring Brian Schottenheimer
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be watching listening. Andy Reid, coach of the Kansas City Chiefs,
joining us in one hour from now. Unfortunately, I all
have to do the interview Jmack. Andy. You know, we
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couldn't trust Jmack with interviewing Andy Reid. So I'm surprised
you're not wearing red for the interview.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Toda'bella.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So there's an old in pro sports. He can't fool
the players. Okay, you can't fool the pro athletes. They
know the stars, they know the soft spots, they know
the weaknesses. So last night Ad got hurt, Lakers went
into the tank, got blown out by Philadelphia. Well, the
Lakers had recently called up Brownie. Well, Brownie had his
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best game as a G leaguer, so of course let's
rush him to the Lakers. So he got on the
floor last night. You can't fool the players. Tyrese Maxi
went right after him and cooked him. And it's just amazing.
In the NFL, media, coaches, fans, anybody, you can have
real grown up conversations. You can hold players accountable. There's
no walking on eggshells. There's a way to measure success
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in the NBA. You have to pretend that Brownie's an
NBA player because otherwise you'll upset the king. So he
has a good G league game. Guys go off in
G league all the time, doesn't mean anything. And they
get him to the Lakers and they want a play him.
And remember he is a six to two guard. That's
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a non point guard. I've never seen that existing in
the current NBA, And go back twenty years. To be
a two guard six four and a half minimum, got
to be able to shoot, some, be a playmaker.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Some.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He's six to two, got cooked on defense and has
not scored in thirty eight minutes on the floor. Thirty
eight minutes as a pro is the last time he
got a basket. But JJ Reddick instead of just being honest,
pandered here he is. Maybe put him in a tough spot,
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you know, flying.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Up yesterday and you know nationally televise game and Philly
and all that stuff. It's you know, he didn't play well,
but he's been playing great, you know, in the Stay
ready games, and he's been playing great in the g
So I've confidence in him.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You did not put him in a tough spot. He
is one for sixteen in the NBA from the floor,
over seven on threes and can't be a point guard
and got cooked defensively. Let's just be totally honest about this.
He's a six to two guard that can't shoot in
a league where seven foot four guys can. He's not
an NBA player. He was not a great high school player.
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He was a good high school player. He wasn't a
good college player. He was a college player, and he's
not an NBA player. And he may be a great kid.
I'm sure he is. Lebron's a nice guy. I've met him.
But this is what gets fifty seven million people watch
the NFL this weekend. It's tough men emotionally and physically
that you can have real conversations with Can we stop
pretending on this? Come on, let's just stop pretending. This
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was not a tough spot tyrese Max. He's a great
player and cooked him and you rushed him up because hey,
he had a good G League game. Oh god, this
is what the Clippers have done with Kawhi Leonard. It's
been years of pandering. M Beiden Philadelphia, the baby sitting
in New Orleans with Zion In the NBA, they had
to ban phones from players during games. They were using
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him at halftime timeouts. They had to ban players from
using phones during games. You don't have to do that
with grown ups. They understand they're at work, they're gonna
work hard. And I think of the many reasons the
NFL is separated from the NBA is the NFL is
a serious league. The games matter, it's adults, it's men,
it's real conversation, Like, there's no pandry. We're not gonna
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see Jalen Hurt's son, you know, wedged into the Eagles
to play running back. No, it's Takuon Barkley. He's better
than anybody. And I think this goes back to some
of the issues the NBA has not a single NBA
reporter would even touch this with a ten foot poll
this thing. What are we doing here? Nice kid, maybe
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a G League player, but thirty eight on the floor
hasn't scored a basket. He's a six to two none
ball handling guard. What are we doing? What are we
pretending grown up conversations? Don't be terrified walk on eggshells.
I've seen it time and time again. Last night came
in three turnovers zero for five. Look terrified, nervous, and
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the sixers You can't fool players went right after him.
You can't fool players. When the red light comes on,
you know who can do it and who can't. This
continues to be an un serious story. What you don't
want to become is an un serious league. The NFL
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you take it seriously. Because they take it seriously, they
don't have to ban phones from their players. Irritating. Okay,
So if you didn't see it, and I know you're busy,
the Jerry Jones Shotneimer conference, by all accounts, was so weird.
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I went home yesterday and watched big chunks of it.
So weird. So Dak Prescott said yesterday, Hey, my future
is tied to Brian Schottenheim or the new coach. And
you know that's a major red flag. In real estate,
it's about two things. Great location, great kitchen. You'll always
sell the home. Locations great kitchen's great. Rest of the
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house can be a tire fire, it doesn't matter, you'll
sell the home. The NFL is a head coach quarterback league.
You can be bad at linebacker. You don't have to
have a great offensive line. You can be weak at safety,
you don't have to have an elite corner. It doesn't matter.
Head coach is great, coach is great. You're gonna be
really good. There are eight combos in the NFL right
now that I would consider elite head coach quarterback combo.
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I don't understand one of them, but there are eight
that you can't deny. You're getting a really good quarterback
and a really good coach, and you can figure it out.
Reid and Mahomes, McVeigh and Stafford both hardballs, with Lamar
and Justin Matt lafleuor Jordan Love, Sean McDermot, Josh All.
You may not love Jordan Love or Sean McDermott, but
they're good. Dan Campbell, Jared goff, Nick Sirianni hurts. I
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can't explain Nick Sirianni. I can't explain his success. I'm
not gonna try to. His methodology's weird. But the guy wins,
and they love him and the players love him, and
so be it. And and that's that's the eight teams,
eight for eight, by the way, in the playoffs. And
just ask yourself, where does Schottenheimer and Dak fit in
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the league? If that's the elite eight, where do they fit?
Two things are true. Schottenheimer didn't call plays for a
seven and ten team and was given the job. That's strange.
And Dak is coming off a second lower body injury
and he got worse after the last one. So I'm
not I mean, I know Dak Schottenheimer is better than
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Derek Carr with no coach, and I think it's better
than Bill Levis and Brian Callahan. But if you gave
me Dave Kanalis and Bryce Young for the next two years,
I'd take the Carolina guys. I take Baker and Todd
Bowles today, absolutely, Mike Rabel, Drake may absolutely Caleb ben
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Johnson without an argument. So this is a coach quarterback league.
And through all the weirdness of the press conference. Now
with a second lower body injury, Dak saying, I'm tying
it to Brian Schottenheimer. Just ask yourself, where would you
put them in the league. Don't listen to me. You
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think about it. Now, where do you stack them? Because
there's eight and we don't. I think Sean mcdermot's a
good coach. Do I think he's great. I think he
lacks some nuance offensively, Sirianni, I don't get necessarily. Jordan
loves a very talented quarterback, more talented than Dak. He's
not great yet, little too reckless. Lafleur's outstanding. But just
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ask yourself. I would take Kevin O'Connor of the Vikings,
not even knowing who his quarterback is today. Kevin O'Connell,
excuse me, I would take him today. I don't even
know if they're gonna play Daniel Jones, JJ McCarthy or
Sam Darnold. I would take that. So that's the real
warning sign. Kitchen location. You'll always sell a home head
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coach and quarterback or elite, you're fine. I like Brian Dabole,
There's only so much he could do with Daniel Jones.
One of them has to be an A and the
other one has to be B plus plus to A minus,
or it doesn't work in this league, or you get
fired in this league. So you know that's as I'm
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watching this press conference and Dak saying I'm gonna tie
it to Schottenheimer, my take is, wow. I mean we
had reservations before. Wow is where it lands Andy Reid
in forty five minutes now, j Mac, I know you
are on this Brownie is going to emerge as an
NBA star. So as I led with that today, I
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don't want to come across is I don't. I don't
hope the kid doesn't do well, But there is an
over I would say. There is a reality of the
NBA that continues is that the media that covers it
is Baseball's is romantic. They romance the past of baseball.
That's not really what NBA is. The NBA is terrified
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to lose access to stars. So we're all pretending this
brawny thing is a real story. And it's like the
minute he's on the floor, the Sixers are like attack.
This is, by the way, what happens. This is what
Brady and Mahomes do when in a cornerback gets hurt.
You sub in a corner fresh from the bench, and
Brady and Mahomes are like, attack.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Benford got hurt for the Bill the minute.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
There album, the minute they went on the floor. Attack.
So the players are telling you, what are we doing here?
Thirty eight minutes without a basket a six to two
non point guard because he had a good G League game.
You know, you know what the There's always been a
question and we haven't answer to it now. There's always
been a question, what would it look like if you
put a athletic non NBA player in an NBA game?
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What would he look like? That's I think I'm being
totally fair. I do not think I'm being unfair.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
You know, the audience can't see this, but I couldn't
make eye contact with you.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
You were so upset once you started.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Unloading on the not like two year.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Old rookie who who was put in by JJ Reddick.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Like Reddick gave a great press conference.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I know we only showed a little clip, but he
was like, listen, we're on a back to back, We're
in the midst of a six game road trip. I
wanted an energy guy, a little spark, so I put
Bronni in early okay, and it didn't quite work out.
You know, the Lakers have a tough stretch here for
national TV games and I think ten days.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Why does it matter if they're on television?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Just the national TV games are a little more you know,
the league really wants all the stars to play. And oh,
by the way, Anthony Davis goes down in the first
first half and it's like, oh my god, for getting destroyed.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Listen, I think you're going a.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Little too hard one for fifteen.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
He's not had a great rookie year so far, but
he's twenty years old.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Dude, he's twenty What do you see that would lead
you to believe he's not a great athlete.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I see an energy guy early in his career who
comes off the bench provides some fiery let's go defense.
I know it didn't show last night against Maxie, but
it's tough to play defense when your rim protector is
out injured. I don't know, you know, Ad, he's hurt now,
looks like you might have jigged him on yesterday's show.
Looks like he's gonna be out if reevaluated in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You're becoming an NBA reporter. You know he's an energy guy.
What does that mean.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
He's a twenty year old guy who comes off the
bench in a back to back setting.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
What does that have to do with it? If you're
twenty years old, who gives a rip about back?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
You know it's an eighty two game season. Baseball is
a long season. Hockey's a long season. He does it's
tough to maintain energy.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
He doesn't have a basket in thirty his last thirty
eight minutes.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Hey, I've had cold stretches in my men's leagues. It
happens to the best of us. But Colin, let's be
real and I talked about this on my podcast. Like
Kansas City Chiefs treated the regular season this year kind
of like the NBA.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
They were unseerious for the first month.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I know they may won to all their understand that,
but if you watch what they did, they weren't trying
to put up a ton of points, nothing exotic, and
here they had their best offensive output in the conference
championship game.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think some of the elite NFL teams.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Patriots did this, are gonna start to hold back stuff
for the play.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
What does that they have to do with the Browny
story that we're supposed to all pretend this is a
real thing. If his dad wasn't lebron would he be
on the team. Probably not in the NFL. Would you
have somebody's son on the team.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That is totally different.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Okay, pause, the NFL, kid's gonna be. The NFL prioritizes winning.
It's serious business. We don't have to ban phones from you.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Well, ninety NFL guys are done in the league by
like thirty five. You know, you don't see a lot
of forty years old the NFL.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Because the rosters are so huge, you could actually cheat
on an NFL roster and find a place for a
guy In the NBA when you're not the Celtics or
OKC and loaded, there's no area to waste a roster spot.
But at baseball you have a huge bullpen. I could
see in baseball, football, hockey, you could slide a guy
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on for a quick line. In the NBA, you got
how many roster spots.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Listen, Bronnie is averaging twenty three, six and five in
the G League, shooting forty five percent on threes. There
is growth that we can at least admit that a
twenty year old showing growth in the G League.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm not saying he's gonna be a star or even
an All star.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
What set me off is JJ Reddicks. I put him
in a bad spot. No, you didn't. You put him
in a spot. He made the spot bad. You didn't
put him in a bad spot, A bad spot. You're
twenty years old. We're playing the Sixers on TV. Do
you want to play? No, it's a really bad spot
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for me. It's a chance of a lifetime put him in.
That's what sets me off. I like lebron and I
said what Bronny came out and played with his dad.
I was like cool, Like Ken Griffy and Ken Griffy
Senior both great. Ken Griffy Junior is obviously the top
five ten great players of all time. I understood the
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initial let's play him, But now you're trying to like
you're gonna guilt me into believing it's a real thing.
I gave you the opening game, I give you the
fun of it. I'm not anti anything, but you can't
make me now want to buy into it, Like I'm done,
Like stop with this.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Well, they also got injuries Gabe Vincent did not play
last night. You know Shake Milton who was part of
that DFS trait six minutes, like, you know, back to back.
I know it sound like I'm making excuses for Lebron And.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
How don't we just measure basketball players like we do
pro football players?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Why pro football players play eighteen games over four months
the NBA season that last all year and tackle.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Each other at full speed so you're physically it's it
does a level.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Homes is not lining up in the secondary in addition
to being quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Let's stop with the NBA NFL comparisons.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Come on, well, there is no comparison. Not Jason Tatum
made his NBA debut at nineteen years old. Was he
in bad spots? No, he was asked to be good.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Wait, Jason Tatum the top three pick in the draft,
the superstar from Duke.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
This was the weakest NBA draft some said, ever, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It was not great.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So my question was always what if it was a
good draft, would you find a spot for him? Then,
by the way, there's stories the Lakers called people not
to draft him. You okay with that? I yeah, nobody's
thrilled with that. I'm not thrilled with any of it.
But we all played along for a week. I'm not
gonna play along anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Their fifth in the West. What else do you want?
Let him play the young kid? Come on, I have
a heart coward.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I know I come across as I guess. It's this.
There's two stories to every sports and I wrote it
in my first book about this. There's two things happening
with every story. The one we feed the public and
the truth. What we're feeding the public is nonsense, it's bs.
The truth is a six to two non ball handled
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guard who can't shoot. What are we doing? It makes
me be the ogre on the air and the bad guy.
But it's like, what are we doing here? Let's be
serious as a sport. Let's talk about serious stuff, real players.
And again I come across as bad guy, like I'm
beating up on it. But it's like you drafted him,
you called teams told not to draft it, You move
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him up, and now you're reduced to I put the
kid in a bad spot. I'm just over it. I'm
over with the story. I'm done, no more stories on this.
Well you can do him and hurt god, Ronnie. I
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Speaker 1 (18:13):
So there's an argument after Patrick Mahomes, I don't even
know if there is an argument. The best player in
the game is Saquon Barkley and I was looking this
morning at this season's numbers. He's number one in everything
except rushing touchdowns and he's got eighteen. The kids unbelievable,
all class. And I started a company a few years ago,
and I called a bunch of smart people. I called
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like Mark Cuban. I called people had been very successful,
and I said, hey, give me a piece of business advice.
And you know all of them have kind of the
same messages. But I remember this piece of advice from
somebody hit a bunch of doubles, and you'll have a
successful business because other companies will make mistakes. You don't
have to hit home runs, hit doubles. You'd be amazed
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how often somebody makes a mistake. And that's how Saquon
Barkley ended up with the Philadelphia Eagles. Drew Brees became
a saint because a Miami Dolphin's doctor wouldn't clear him mistake.
Reggie White became a packer he was in Philadelphia. Their owner,
Norman Brahman, was so cheap and shortsighted. He not only
hired Rich code type arguably the worst head coach ever,
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but he charged players for equipment to maximize profits. It
was a second tier organization. Roger Woodson Charles Woodson went
from to Green Bay immediate Super Bowl. Why because old
Al Davis thought he was Jerry Jones and was a
GM and the owner and at that point was weird
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and frugal and making terrible decisions. And you start looking
around Brady and Tampa. Bill thought he was done. Bill
couldn't provide him with the receivers. He started to alienate
Tom and in the end he had no succession plan.
They made a big mistake. Brady, even after all the
years in Tampa, was still a top seven eight quarterback.
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So when I look at the Saquon Barkley situation, you
had Joe Shane, a GM in New York who bought
into this silly online media narrative that running backs had
topped out, they had no value long term. And as
we said, it was March eleventh or something like that
was the day that it happened. I said, he's not
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only is he going to succeed in Philadelphia, but because
the Giants O line was so bad and they have
no star weapons on the perimeter. You can cheat when
you play the Giants against Saquon, you can stack the box.
But with aj Brown and Devonte Smith, the safeties are
off the line, and the old lines first or second
best in the league. It's not like he's going to
be good in Philly. He's going to be dominant. Don't
even listen to any of these people on the internet.
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Go pay a running back, go buy him. This was
a huge mistake. And we watched HBO Max, we watched
the Giants in Mara Now ridiculous. It was so this
is an organization. They paid Daniel Jones and they let
Saquon Barkley walk. And I belie leave this to my core.
You do not have to be a genius to get rich.
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You do not have to be brilliant. You don't have
to be like Elon Musk Zuckerberg tech whiz to be
very successful, hit doubles in life, and then wait for
other people to make big mistakes. That's it. Just don't
take all the wild big swings regularly. An occasional big swing.
But I mean all Philadelphia did was go, well, man,
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if this guy's rushing for that in New York with
no weapons on the outside to keep safeties out of
the box in the bad old line and Daniel Jones,
what is he going to do here? I mean, of
all Howie Roseman's moves, it's actually not that impressive. It's obvious.
The fact that it was available is nuts. It was
just another mistake. It could be a Miami doctor, a
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bad owner in Philadelphia, a grumpy coach in New England.
Just wait, that's the only time Hall of Fame level
talent in their primes available. Right. The free agent market
is generally you know, it's it's got kind of a
Jimmy Butler feel to it where good player aging wants
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big money. That's always kind of what free agency feels like.
I'm not saying Jimmy Butler can't play. I think he
would make the Warriors better, but I'm not gonna build
my franchise around him. I'm not giving him huge money.
Does he fit? Can he make us better? On the
Steph Curry timeline, I mean, this was a Hall of
Fame talent in their prime and somebody let him walk,
like somebody did with Charles Woodson, Reggie White and Drew Brees.
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J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
No, no, this is the herdline News.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
All right. Let's start with the interesting comment here from
Jalen Hurts after they won the NFC Championship. I think
he joked that Nick Sirianni let me out of my
straight jacket a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Uh, And then of course the pilly media was.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Like, whoa, there is still the roof between these two.
Sirianni addressed it yes esterday. Down Playing Hurts is common, but.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
We've been winning a couple of different ways this year.
I think he's just having fun after the game. Uh,
you know, but I know this, like and he said this,
plenty of times, I don't care how we win. I
don't care how we win, as long as we win
and we do everything we can do to be able
to win.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I think we all understood. I didn't think it was
a big deal. I thought that was fine.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
But the problem is that it Hurts is like kind
of a serious guy.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know, I locked around the briefcase and I love him.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
So was this a joke or was this like dry
humor from Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well, I think Jalen Hurts has felt fairly that they've
sort of built the offense more around the run game,
reduced his numbers of throws, and he was saying, hey,
I got to let loose a little bit, and because
Washington's defense is not as good. First of all, I
love his personality. I wish every quarterback in the league,
you know. I love that Justin Herbert or Jalen Hurts personality,
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no nonsense, all business, briefcase to work, don't give the
media anything. I love him, But I do think this
team is better when it is geared around Sakwon Barkley.
And that's and it's funny because I'll watch Philadelphia play
and it's there are times and I feel I don't
feel this about anybody, including the Chiefs. There are drives
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and quarters with the Eagles that I wonder how they
ever punt. They do everything, And when Jalen is in
his rhythm and he's not always, there are times he
feels a little off and half the time I think
he's hurt. He's never one hundred percent, But I don't
feel like I necessarily always get elite guy from the
pocket with Jalen Hurts, and I think the organization sees it.
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Everybody in the league sees it. Greg Cosel sees it
on the film, and so they've built it to not
depend on him. And in this game he got to
cook a little and he was great. But I don't
take I don't listen in Philadelphia. You say anything. If
you said this in Tampa doesn't make the news. You
say it in Philadelphia, It's on w for the next
six hours.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
The only issue is there were many, many reports, from
a lot of credible reports. I think Breer was one
of them who had Sirianni and Hurts rifted in the
off season.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Then you had the.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Former player I want to say Fletcher Cootts came out
and said, A. J.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Brown and Jalen Hurts don't get along.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Remember on the radio, It's like, why do we keep
having these like squabbles inside the Philadelphia locker room? What
all they do is pretty much win. Like that's that
can't be good one.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I think it is just this goes back to what
I said. There are families in America. Sebastian Manikowsko jokes.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
About, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
The stand up comedian this family. All that did was
argue and yell, and it was just combustible, and yet
they love each other. Is that not every family. Some
families are loud and they're combustible and they argue, and
that's their sign. You know, what do they say about
people in Boston When people are giving you crap in Boston,
it's a sign of affection. They you're you're officially one
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of us, you know, goodwill hunting, you watch the bar scenes.
If we can make fun of you, you're one of us.
And I think Philadelphia is a different town, highly emotional.
The Roster's got some emotional guys. I think Sirianni feeds
into that, and I think it works for them. That's
my conclusion because I can't figure it out. I think
it works for them.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Well, it sure works when they're rolling.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You know, Let's see what happens if they're three and
five next year at the start of the season.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Let's see how that well love language is going. It's
gonna come off. Huh pretty good.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Next story is uh oh, this this is an interesting one.
So Mike McCarthy is officially pulling his name out of
the coaching search in New Orleans and he will be
looking for a job in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Very interesting that.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
He seemed in lock for the Saints job and now
it looks like it's going to Kellen Moore. McCarthy seemed
deadline for the Bears job that went to Ben Johnson.
You know, sometimes the world works in mysterious I think
McCarthy dodged a bullet here big Well.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yes, there was only one great job last year. That
was the Chargers, Harbaugh took him. I think there were
two really interesting jobs this year, Drake May and the
Patriots with the most cap space in the room. And
I think the Bears is very interesting because the roster
is good in Caleb. But if you think about j
Mack there's about seven jobs open a year. If you
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go back a decade, there's always one really good job,
and then there's a couple you're like, maybe that works,
but over half are like Hasmatt spills, like you should
not take them. I mean, New Orleans has zero cap space,
they're in cap hell, and they don't have a star quarterback,
and the quarterback's older and kind of expensive, and they
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don't have a lot of elite players. That's not an
elite job. I mean, why would Mike McCarthy step in
from one dysfunctional place to another place with major issues?
So I think McCarthy just saying I'm gonna go to
next year. I think it's I think it's this. I
think I'm surprised that nobody offered him a job, but
I think he's better off.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, how's this?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Why would Kellen Moore be looking to leave the Eagles
because he's gonna go to the Saints?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, but again, a million and a half a year
to seven to ten, A lot of this is financial
for you.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
You know, we talk about this movies, sports media, like
literally any job out there, you got to be careful
just to get to the top spot because I'm telling you, man,
this New Orleans Saint's job, Kellen Moore could be out
of a job in two years, and then is he
getting another head coach again.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Here's the thing, though, that is easier to say for
like a Mike McCarthy who's made a ton of money.
He's got a fifty million dollar net worth. That's harder
to say to a young guy who's never gotten rich.
We'll play football.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Is an NFL quarterback for five years. I know he
wasn't making twenty million a year.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But he was at quarterback quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
He's been an offensive coordinator. You chasing money. He's only
thirty six. I'm just telling you that you look at
that same froster, that outlook.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It is not well.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I keep telling you stop chasing.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I talked about it elsewhere.
I was said, and we won't talk about it on this
show anyway. I'm a story, Colin.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
It's NFL Draft season and Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know, we love that guy.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
He's a very sharp individual. He has put out his
initial mock draft. There are some surprises here.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Now. I don't think Jeremiah is one of.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
These hot take guys looking to make noise.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But he has Abdul Carter from Penn State going number one.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
He is the best player, believe.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I don't dispute him being I believe.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Abdull Carter's the best player. I think T Mac's the
second best player receiver from Arizona.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So he has Team Mac going eighth to Carolina, which
I like a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, so this doesn't mean they're the best player. You're saying,
this is what he's predicting where they go. Yes, now, Colin,
let's be real. Brian Callahan finally got a head coaching job.
I think they were two and fifteen against the spread.
They were the worst team in the league. If they
tried out Will Levis, Brian Callahan will be out of
a job this time next year. He will not be
coaching a third year. This is a true You can't.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Take Abdul Carter first. You cannot. You have to take
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You do, So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Tell me the game plan? So Callahan keeps his job.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Give it to me. I think if you feel good,
I mean, you've only been coaching one year. I think
you go to your owner and say listen, we don't
think these quarterbacks are b prospects. We can win seven
games of what we have, which gives us the opportunity.
After the Giants get their quarterback, and maybe the Browns
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or the Raiders get their quarterback, who's gonna need a
quarterback next year? We're getting to a saturation point. There's
like four teams next year that need a quarterback. If
the Giants get THEIRS, if the Browns get THEIRS, if
the Raiders get THEIRS, who needs a quarterback?
Speaker 5 (30:32):
We just saw two NFL head coaches, Pierce and a
Patriots guy, a Mayo, both one and done.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
NFL owners are not sitting around and waiting.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I'm telling you Kellahan, if he does not take a
quarterback or somehow look into Aaron Rodgers or something in
free agency, he's gone after next season.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
You know, it's funny. What's happening here is Shader Sanders
and this happens is getting so nitpicked. Speaking of sons,
proving that I I do like to see dad and
sons when I think they're both legitimate. Shadure Sanders now
is getting so nit picked. And we're so in love
with Travis Hunter and cam Ward and I've I've talked
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to now three different gms. They all like Shador Sanders.
They don't think he's an A plus plus. But I
will just tell you Shadre Sanders is a starting quarterback
in this league and is incredibly accurate moving left, moving right,
off platform, going back. Chadure is an NFL quarterback. Why
why you're not bashed Brownie in the opening, But let
me tell you Shaduur Sanders a real player.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
He has Chador going six to the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
We know if he goes to the Raiders, Pete Carroll
is very lucky. You can do way worse than your
first pick is Shader Sanders.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
And the other issue I have with Jeremiah is Cleveland
not taking a quarterback given Deshaun Watsons has popped his
achilles twice, and you're gonna go Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Listen. I like Hunter.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
I don't know his generational stuff is overblown. Cam Ward
to the New York Giant sounds good. Listen, It's how
about my guy Tyler into the Jets.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm gonna tell you I love that.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Tyler Warren is a stud.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
He's not brock Bauer stud, but he's really good and
Mikhail Williams. Who Texas quarterbacks are you know still having
nightmares about what he did to them in Texas earlier
this season. Williams is an animal off the edge. I
like him to New Orleans at nine.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Let me tell you something. If that kid from Arizona
drops to eight, that will be the steel of the
drag him and Bryce Young. There is a general manager
I know who thinks that's the best player in the draft.
Abdil Carter second, that Arizona kid. It was unstoppable in
high school, unstoppable in college. Hey, I'm telling you he
is unbelievable for what it's worth.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Jeremiah in his write up, compared McMillan T Mack to
Drake London, which is good, not like.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, no, no. I like Drake Dolondon a lot. He's
better than Drake London, and I like Drake London a lot.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Drake by the excellent last one, Ashton gent and the Cowboys,
which basically, Okay, can I.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Throw this at you, We'll get into the draft. The
most overdrafted player is going to be Gent. So this
is a great running back draft. It is unbelievable. The thirteenth,
fourteenth best running back to me is eighty percent of gent.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
You say it has two guys who are eighty percent
both excellent.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
This is not a draft to take a running back
in the first round. It's just a lot. And he
is not Saquon He's not Ezekiel Elliott. Or he's in
a major conference and literally with a bad old line,
and I mean had a battle line at Penn State,
was unstoppable in a major conference. I like Gen, but
in a stacked running back draft class, because.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I think this is an overreaction to the Penn State game.
I'm you know, gend. You watch just the highlights.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
He's good, He's good.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
You look at orgon highlights, he looks like and I'm
sorry to say that he looks like Barry Sanders and
something highlight.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I have changed my I'm allowed to change my mind,
and I have come to the conclusion this running back
draft is the best in forever. I the player I'll
use because I watched him play every game as the
kid at USC what he marks. Woody Marx is listed
as the fourteenth best running back in this draft. He
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is a starting running back in the NFL on twenty
five twenty three teams. This draft is not a draft.
You can get eighty percent of gent second, third, fourth round.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
I know we're running along, but here the black Korum,
who we loved coming out of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Could barely get on the field with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, he had an injury and I don't think he's
ever quite been the same post injury there. I mean,
I think that's where he broke his forearm.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Somebody's running back with major tread on the tires coming
out of college.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I think you have to be a little cautious to that.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Miss Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Line news something. The Raiders get Shader Sanders if he
falls to them. Man, that is because the Raiders need
a quarterback, a receiver, and a back. They got their tackles,
their center and Rock Bowers, they just needed they need
a number one receiver, a quarterback, a number one running back.
That because Pete's gonna coach the heck out of them.
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Speaker 3 (36:15):
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Speaker 1 (36:37):
By the way, have you ever had a Benet in
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Speaker 3 (36:40):
No, I've never been to New Orleans.
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You've never been.
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Will be living it up. If I'm late for a
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Speaker 1 (36:47):
Oysters are unbelievable. I've heard Benet's are unbelievable, and they
have all sorts of coffees. Today. Jmack, by the way,
is having his first ever Cafe Americana, which I've been
trying to I've been telling him for a year. I
gave up coffee. I go to Cafe Americano. I am
more sophisticated.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Yeah, I felt after that Bronnie opening, I need to
dial it back a little bit, like coffee, a little
change up, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I supported Shader Sanders. I'm four great athletes having kids
that play. I was a Ken Griffy junior freak forever.
But don't pretend something's happening when it's not happening. That's
all I'm saying about Brownie. So Pete Carroll was being
very diplomatic. He was on a podcast yesterday and he
(37:33):
was asked about the chance of a reconciliation or Russell
Wilson could be on the market and he could be
the Raiders quarterback, and Pete was being very diplomatic. It's
so early.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
I mean, we're just in the midst of just trying
to find the puzzle pieces and I didn't get putting
them together yet, So I really I can't. I can't
even say. I mean, guys are still free. Agency hasn't
come yet. That's the first competitive opportunity that will occur,
and then the draft's coming will have that opportunity to
do things. I can't tell you right now.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I mean I could guess, but it would just be
a guess. Some movies they're not worth a sequel. And
because I'm from the Pacific Northwest, the Pete Russ legion
of Boom Seahawks, it was the first team my sister
ever liked. My sister's not into sports. We started texting
(38:23):
about sports on Sunday really connected because of Russell and
the Seahawks. And there's two quarterbacks that Greg Cosell and
I only two that I can think of, have ever
really disagreed about. I like Trevor Lawrence and Russell always
more than he did, and I may be zero for two.
Trevor Lawrence does not have the obsessiveness I think you
(38:46):
need to go from good to very good and great.
He's plateaued. I'm not sure if he loves the sport.
He's good at it, he's talented. I feel like this
is just what he's willing to be, and we keep
blaming coaches and Russell Wilson. I always thought he led
the potential dynasty. It was him, not him alone, but him.
But if you look back, he was small, he was creative,
(39:08):
he was elusive. I'd never seen anything quite like him
at the time. I think I compared him to a
nineteen seventy quarterback fran Tarkenton or maybe Roger Staubach. I'd
never quite seen it. I think he got other guys drafted,
but Greg Cosell would always say he's not really good
from the pocket. I can't really explain it, but it's
almost like they're like, when he goes back to pass,
he already knows that he's going to leave the pocket.
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He doesn't really feel comfortable in the pocket. Now, I
think Jalen Hurtz is not a great pocket quarterback, but
I do think he does feel comfortable in the pocket.
I still don't think Russell does. I just couldn't see
through the fog of Maybe it was my sister's love
for the Seahawks. That was my favorite team growing up.
But I would say this, not all movies need a sequel.
The best the Seahawks were is when they were called
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Legion of Boom. And when the Seahawks started to regress,
it was called let Russ Cook. And I thought it
was great. I bought into the hype. But if I
take a step back, I was kind of critical of
the Pete Carrol Russell Wilson thing. I like, didn't get it.
What do you do in Pete? But in the end,
John Sneinder got himself out of Russ and built a
(40:11):
great roster. Now they're still looking for a quarterback, but
it is a really good roster in Seattle. And Denver
got stuck with a quarterback they didn't want and now
Pittsburgh's got a quarterback they're not sure about and probably
don't want, and so I would say in this instance,
no sequel. It was great, it was magical. It was
really brief. It's not gonna be Brady Belichick. Some of
this stuff in the NFL. Sam Darnold and the Vikings
(40:34):
one year feels like it was perfect. Sam's gonna get paid.
JJ McCarthy got hurt. It was one year, and I
really feel like Russ and Seattle about Seattle needed a quarterback.
They at one point they traded for Charlie Whitehurst. They
didn't Matt Flynn, they didn't know Pete was in trouble
seven and nine, seven and nine, we got to get
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a quarterback, and it was magical for about a six
seven year run. Pete was out of USC You know,
he's drafting all sorts of players in the fifth, sixth
round that end up great players. But I've just come
to terms with not every great head coach quarterback combo
is any more than one year. Darnold and the Vikings
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one year was perfect. If you extended to four, you're
probably getting in the way of JJ McCarthy's development. Just
it was a one great year. The RUSS thing felt
like six or seven really strong years. They probably could
have moved off a couple of years earlier, and that's
wrong on that one. Saints, for the record, still do
not have a head coach Kellen Moore. My guess is
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the coach. They're just waiting for the Super Bowl to end.
So I don't love the idea of hiring the last coach.
That means you get the scraps on the coordinators and assistants.
He'll have to take somebody from Philadelphia or several people
on the Eagles staff. Andy Reid is around the corner
the best coaching football. Maybe he certainly now he will
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be watching listening. Andy Reid, coach of the Kansas City Chiefs,
joining us in one hour from now. Unfortunately, I all
have to do the interview Jmack. Andy. You know, we
(00:49):
couldn't trust Jmack with interviewing Andy Reid. So I'm surprised
you're not wearing red for the interview.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Toda'bella.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So there's an old in pro sports. He can't fool
the players. Okay, you can't fool the pro athletes. They
know the stars, they know the soft spots, they know
the weaknesses. So last night Ad got hurt, Lakers went
into the tank, got blown out by Philadelphia. Well, the
Lakers had recently called up Brownie. Well, Brownie had his
(01:22):
best game as a G leaguer, so of course let's
rush him to the Lakers. So he got on the
floor last night. You can't fool the players. Tyrese Maxi
went right after him and cooked him. And it's just amazing.
In the NFL, media, coaches, fans, anybody, you can have
real grown up conversations. You can hold players accountable. There's
no walking on eggshells. There's a way to measure success
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in the NBA. You have to pretend that Brownie's an
NBA player because otherwise you'll upset the king. So he
has a good G league game. Guys go off in
G league all the time, doesn't mean anything. And they
get him to the Lakers and they want a play him.
And remember he is a six to two guard. That's
(02:05):
a non point guard. I've never seen that existing in
the current NBA, And go back twenty years. To be
a two guard six four and a half minimum, got
to be able to shoot, some, be a playmaker.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Some.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He's six to two, got cooked on defense and has
not scored in thirty eight minutes on the floor. Thirty
eight minutes as a pro is the last time he
got a basket. But JJ Reddick instead of just being honest,
pandered here he is. Maybe put him in a tough spot,
(02:41):
you know, flying.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Up yesterday and you know nationally televise game and Philly
and all that stuff. It's you know, he didn't play well,
but he's been playing great, you know, in the Stay
ready games, and he's been playing great in the g
So I've confidence in him.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You did not put him in a tough spot. He
is one for sixteen in the NBA from the floor,
over seven on threes and can't be a point guard
and got cooked defensively. Let's just be totally honest about this.
He's a six to two guard that can't shoot in
a league where seven foot four guys can. He's not
an NBA player. He was not a great high school player.
(03:25):
He was a good high school player. He wasn't a
good college player. He was a college player, and he's
not an NBA player. And he may be a great kid.
I'm sure he is. Lebron's a nice guy. I've met him.
But this is what gets fifty seven million people watch
the NFL this weekend. It's tough men emotionally and physically
that you can have real conversations with Can we stop
pretending on this? Come on, let's just stop pretending. This
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was not a tough spot tyrese Max. He's a great
player and cooked him and you rushed him up because hey,
he had a good G League game. Oh god, this
is what the Clippers have done with Kawhi Leonard. It's
been years of pandering. M Beiden Philadelphia, the baby sitting
in New Orleans with Zion In the NBA, they had
to ban phones from players during games. They were using
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him at halftime timeouts. They had to ban players from
using phones during games. You don't have to do that
with grown ups. They understand they're at work, they're gonna
work hard. And I think of the many reasons the
NFL is separated from the NBA is the NFL is
a serious league. The games matter, it's adults, it's men,
it's real conversation, Like, there's no pandry. We're not gonna
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see Jalen Hurt's son, you know, wedged into the Eagles
to play running back. No, it's Takuon Barkley. He's better
than anybody. And I think this goes back to some
of the issues the NBA has not a single NBA
reporter would even touch this with a ten foot poll
this thing. What are we doing here? Nice kid, maybe
(04:56):
a G League player, but thirty eight on the floor
hasn't scored a basket. He's a six to two none
ball handling guard. What are we doing? What are we
pretending grown up conversations? Don't be terrified walk on eggshells.
I've seen it time and time again. Last night came
in three turnovers zero for five. Look terrified, nervous, and
(05:20):
the sixers You can't fool players went right after him.
You can't fool players. When the red light comes on,
you know who can do it and who can't. This
continues to be an un serious story. What you don't
want to become is an un serious league. The NFL
(05:42):
you take it seriously. Because they take it seriously, they
don't have to ban phones from their players. Irritating. Okay,
So if you didn't see it, and I know you're busy,
the Jerry Jones Shotneimer conference, by all accounts, was so weird.
(06:03):
I went home yesterday and watched big chunks of it.
So weird. So Dak Prescott said yesterday, Hey, my future
is tied to Brian Schottenheim or the new coach. And
you know that's a major red flag. In real estate,
it's about two things. Great location, great kitchen. You'll always
sell the home. Locations great kitchen's great. Rest of the
(06:25):
house can be a tire fire, it doesn't matter, you'll
sell the home. The NFL is a head coach quarterback league.
You can be bad at linebacker. You don't have to
have a great offensive line. You can be weak at safety,
you don't have to have an elite corner. It doesn't matter.
Head coach is great, coach is great. You're gonna be
really good. There are eight combos in the NFL right
now that I would consider elite head coach quarterback combo.
(06:48):
I don't understand one of them, but there are eight
that you can't deny. You're getting a really good quarterback
and a really good coach, and you can figure it out.
Reid and Mahomes, McVeigh and Stafford both hardballs, with Lamar
and Justin Matt lafleuor Jordan Love, Sean McDermot, Josh All.
You may not love Jordan Love or Sean McDermott, but
they're good. Dan Campbell, Jared goff, Nick Sirianni hurts. I
(07:10):
can't explain Nick Sirianni. I can't explain his success. I'm
not gonna try to. His methodology's weird. But the guy wins,
and they love him and the players love him, and
so be it. And and that's that's the eight teams,
eight for eight, by the way, in the playoffs. And
just ask yourself, where does Schottenheimer and Dak fit in
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the league? If that's the elite eight, where do they fit?
Two things are true. Schottenheimer didn't call plays for a
seven and ten team and was given the job. That's strange.
And Dak is coming off a second lower body injury
and he got worse after the last one. So I'm
not I mean, I know Dak Schottenheimer is better than
(07:55):
Derek Carr with no coach, and I think it's better
than Bill Levis and Brian Callahan. But if you gave
me Dave Kanalis and Bryce Young for the next two years,
I'd take the Carolina guys. I take Baker and Todd
Bowles today, absolutely, Mike Rabel, Drake may absolutely Caleb ben
(08:18):
Johnson without an argument. So this is a coach quarterback league.
And through all the weirdness of the press conference. Now
with a second lower body injury, Dak saying, I'm tying
it to Brian Schottenheimer. Just ask yourself, where would you
put them in the league. Don't listen to me. You
(08:39):
think about it. Now, where do you stack them? Because
there's eight and we don't. I think Sean mcdermot's a
good coach. Do I think he's great. I think he
lacks some nuance offensively, Sirianni, I don't get necessarily. Jordan
loves a very talented quarterback, more talented than Dak. He's
not great yet, little too reckless. Lafleur's outstanding. But just
(09:01):
ask yourself. I would take Kevin O'Connor of the Vikings,
not even knowing who his quarterback is today. Kevin O'Connell,
excuse me, I would take him today. I don't even
know if they're gonna play Daniel Jones, JJ McCarthy or
Sam Darnold. I would take that. So that's the real
warning sign. Kitchen location. You'll always sell a home head
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coach and quarterback or elite, you're fine. I like Brian Dabole,
There's only so much he could do with Daniel Jones.
One of them has to be an A and the
other one has to be B plus plus to A minus,
or it doesn't work in this league, or you get
fired in this league. So you know that's as I'm
(09:42):
watching this press conference and Dak saying I'm gonna tie
it to Schottenheimer, my take is, wow. I mean we
had reservations before. Wow is where it lands Andy Reid
in forty five minutes now, j Mac, I know you
are on this Brownie is going to emerge as an
NBA star. So as I led with that today, I
(10:03):
don't want to come across is I don't. I don't
hope the kid doesn't do well, But there is an
over I would say. There is a reality of the
NBA that continues is that the media that covers it
is Baseball's is romantic. They romance the past of baseball.
That's not really what NBA is. The NBA is terrified
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to lose access to stars. So we're all pretending this
brawny thing is a real story. And it's like the
minute he's on the floor, the Sixers are like attack.
This is, by the way, what happens. This is what
Brady and Mahomes do when in a cornerback gets hurt.
You sub in a corner fresh from the bench, and
Brady and Mahomes are like, attack.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Benford got hurt for the Bill the minute.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
There album, the minute they went on the floor. Attack.
So the players are telling you, what are we doing here?
Thirty eight minutes without a basket a six to two
non point guard because he had a good G League game.
You know, you know what the There's always been a
question and we haven't answer to it now. There's always
been a question, what would it look like if you
put a athletic non NBA player in an NBA game?
(11:09):
What would he look like? That's I think I'm being
totally fair. I do not think I'm being unfair.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
You know, the audience can't see this, but I couldn't
make eye contact with you.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
You were so upset once you started.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Unloading on the not like two year.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Old rookie who who was put in by JJ Reddick.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Like Reddick gave a great press conference.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I know we only showed a little clip, but he
was like, listen, we're on a back to back, We're
in the midst of a six game road trip. I
wanted an energy guy, a little spark, so I put
Bronni in early okay, and it didn't quite work out.
You know, the Lakers have a tough stretch here for
national TV games and I think ten days.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Why does it matter if they're on television?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Just the national TV games are a little more you know,
the league really wants all the stars to play. And oh,
by the way, Anthony Davis goes down in the first
first half and it's like, oh my god, for getting destroyed.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Listen, I think you're going a.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Little too hard one for fifteen.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
He's not had a great rookie year so far, but
he's twenty years old.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Dude, he's twenty What do you see that would lead
you to believe he's not a great athlete.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I see an energy guy early in his career who
comes off the bench provides some fiery let's go defense.
I know it didn't show last night against Maxie, but
it's tough to play defense when your rim protector is
out injured. I don't know, you know, Ad, he's hurt now,
looks like you might have jigged him on yesterday's show.
Looks like he's gonna be out if reevaluated in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You're becoming an NBA reporter. You know he's an energy guy.
What does that mean.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
He's a twenty year old guy who comes off the
bench in a back to back setting.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
What does that have to do with it? If you're
twenty years old, who gives a rip about back?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
You know it's an eighty two game season. Baseball is
a long season. Hockey's a long season. He does it's
tough to maintain energy.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
He doesn't have a basket in thirty his last thirty
eight minutes.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Hey, I've had cold stretches in my men's leagues. It
happens to the best of us. But Colin, let's be
real and I talked about this on my podcast. Like
Kansas City Chiefs treated the regular season this year kind
of like the NBA.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
They were unseerious for the first month.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I know they may won to all their understand that,
but if you watch what they did, they weren't trying
to put up a ton of points, nothing exotic, and
here they had their best offensive output in the conference
championship game.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think some of the elite NFL teams.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Patriots did this, are gonna start to hold back stuff
for the play.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
What does that they have to do with the Browny
story that we're supposed to all pretend this is a
real thing. If his dad wasn't lebron would he be
on the team. Probably not in the NFL. Would you
have somebody's son on the team.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That is totally different.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Okay, pause, the NFL, kid's gonna be. The NFL prioritizes winning.
It's serious business. We don't have to ban phones from you.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Well, ninety NFL guys are done in the league by
like thirty five. You know, you don't see a lot
of forty years old the NFL.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Because the rosters are so huge, you could actually cheat
on an NFL roster and find a place for a
guy In the NBA when you're not the Celtics or
OKC and loaded, there's no area to waste a roster spot.
But at baseball you have a huge bullpen. I could
see in baseball, football, hockey, you could slide a guy
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on for a quick line. In the NBA, you got
how many roster spots.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Listen, Bronnie is averaging twenty three, six and five in
the G League, shooting forty five percent on threes. There
is growth that we can at least admit that a
twenty year old showing growth in the G League.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm not saying he's gonna be a star or even
an All star.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
What set me off is JJ Reddicks. I put him
in a bad spot. No, you didn't. You put him
in a spot. He made the spot bad. You didn't
put him in a bad spot, A bad spot. You're
twenty years old. We're playing the Sixers on TV. Do
you want to play? No, it's a really bad spot
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for me. It's a chance of a lifetime put him in.
That's what sets me off. I like lebron and I
said what Bronny came out and played with his dad.
I was like cool, Like Ken Griffy and Ken Griffy
Senior both great. Ken Griffy Junior is obviously the top
five ten great players of all time. I understood the
(15:12):
initial let's play him, But now you're trying to like
you're gonna guilt me into believing it's a real thing.
I gave you the opening game, I give you the
fun of it. I'm not anti anything, but you can't
make me now want to buy into it, Like I'm done,
Like stop with this.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Well, they also got injuries Gabe Vincent did not play
last night. You know Shake Milton who was part of
that DFS trait six minutes, like, you know, back to back.
I know it sound like I'm making excuses for Lebron And.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
How don't we just measure basketball players like we do
pro football players?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Why pro football players play eighteen games over four months
the NBA season that last all year and tackle.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Each other at full speed so you're physically it's it
does a level.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Homes is not lining up in the secondary in addition
to being quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Let's stop with the NBA NFL comparisons.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Come on, well, there is no comparison. Not Jason Tatum
made his NBA debut at nineteen years old. Was he
in bad spots? No, he was asked to be good.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Wait, Jason Tatum the top three pick in the draft,
the superstar from Duke.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
This was the weakest NBA draft some said, ever, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It was not great.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So my question was always what if it was a
good draft, would you find a spot for him? Then,
by the way, there's stories the Lakers called people not
to draft him. You okay with that? I yeah, nobody's
thrilled with that. I'm not thrilled with any of it.
But we all played along for a week. I'm not
gonna play along anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Their fifth in the West. What else do you want?
Let him play the young kid? Come on, I have
a heart coward.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I know I come across as I guess. It's this.
There's two stories to every sports and I wrote it
in my first book about this. There's two things happening
with every story. The one we feed the public and
the truth. What we're feeding the public is nonsense, it's bs.
The truth is a six to two non ball handled
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guard who can't shoot. What are we doing? It makes
me be the ogre on the air and the bad guy.
But it's like, what are we doing here? Let's be
serious as a sport. Let's talk about serious stuff, real players.
And again I come across as bad guy, like I'm
beating up on it. But it's like you drafted him,
you called teams told not to draft it, You move
(17:32):
him up, and now you're reduced to I put the
kid in a bad spot. I'm just over it. I'm
over with the story. I'm done, no more stories on this.
Well you can do him and hurt god, Ronnie. I
will just do this. When you talk about it, I'll
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Speaker 1 (18:13):
So there's an argument after Patrick Mahomes, I don't even
know if there is an argument. The best player in
the game is Saquon Barkley and I was looking this
morning at this season's numbers. He's number one in everything
except rushing touchdowns and he's got eighteen. The kids unbelievable,
all class. And I started a company a few years ago,
and I called a bunch of smart people. I called
(18:33):
like Mark Cuban. I called people had been very successful,
and I said, hey, give me a piece of business advice.
And you know all of them have kind of the
same messages. But I remember this piece of advice from
somebody hit a bunch of doubles, and you'll have a
successful business because other companies will make mistakes. You don't
have to hit home runs, hit doubles. You'd be amazed
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how often somebody makes a mistake. And that's how Saquon
Barkley ended up with the Philadelphia Eagles. Drew Brees became
a saint because a Miami Dolphin's doctor wouldn't clear him mistake.
Reggie White became a packer he was in Philadelphia. Their owner,
Norman Brahman, was so cheap and shortsighted. He not only
hired Rich code type arguably the worst head coach ever,
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but he charged players for equipment to maximize profits. It
was a second tier organization. Roger Woodson Charles Woodson went
from to Green Bay immediate Super Bowl. Why because old
Al Davis thought he was Jerry Jones and was a
GM and the owner and at that point was weird
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and frugal and making terrible decisions. And you start looking
around Brady and Tampa. Bill thought he was done. Bill
couldn't provide him with the receivers. He started to alienate
Tom and in the end he had no succession plan.
They made a big mistake. Brady, even after all the
years in Tampa, was still a top seven eight quarterback.
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So when I look at the Saquon Barkley situation, you
had Joe Shane, a GM in New York who bought
into this silly online media narrative that running backs had
topped out, they had no value long term. And as
we said, it was March eleventh or something like that
was the day that it happened. I said, he's not
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only is he going to succeed in Philadelphia, but because
the Giants O line was so bad and they have
no star weapons on the perimeter. You can cheat when
you play the Giants against Saquon, you can stack the box.
But with aj Brown and Devonte Smith, the safeties are
off the line, and the old lines first or second
best in the league. It's not like he's going to
be good in Philly. He's going to be dominant. Don't
even listen to any of these people on the internet.
(20:44):
Go pay a running back, go buy him. This was
a huge mistake. And we watched HBO Max, we watched
the Giants in Mara Now ridiculous. It was so this
is an organization. They paid Daniel Jones and they let
Saquon Barkley walk. And I belie leave this to my core.
You do not have to be a genius to get rich.
(21:04):
You do not have to be brilliant. You don't have
to be like Elon Musk Zuckerberg tech whiz to be
very successful, hit doubles in life, and then wait for
other people to make big mistakes. That's it. Just don't
take all the wild big swings regularly. An occasional big swing.
But I mean all Philadelphia did was go, well, man,
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if this guy's rushing for that in New York with
no weapons on the outside to keep safeties out of
the box in the bad old line and Daniel Jones,
what is he going to do here? I mean, of
all Howie Roseman's moves, it's actually not that impressive. It's obvious.
The fact that it was available is nuts. It was
just another mistake. It could be a Miami doctor, a
(21:49):
bad owner in Philadelphia, a grumpy coach in New England.
Just wait, that's the only time Hall of Fame level
talent in their primes available. Right. The free agent market
is generally you know, it's it's got kind of a
Jimmy Butler feel to it where good player aging wants
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big money. That's always kind of what free agency feels like.
I'm not saying Jimmy Butler can't play. I think he
would make the Warriors better, but I'm not gonna build
my franchise around him. I'm not giving him huge money.
Does he fit? Can he make us better? On the
Steph Curry timeline, I mean, this was a Hall of
Fame talent in their prime and somebody let him walk,
like somebody did with Charles Woodson, Reggie White and Drew Brees.
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J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
No, no, this is the herdline News.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
All right. Let's start with the interesting comment here from
Jalen Hurts after they won the NFC Championship. I think
he joked that Nick Sirianni let me out of my
straight jacket a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Uh, And then of course the pilly media was.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Like, whoa, there is still the roof between these two.
Sirianni addressed it yes esterday. Down Playing Hurts is common, but.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
We've been winning a couple of different ways this year.
I think he's just having fun after the game. Uh,
you know, but I know this, like and he said this,
plenty of times, I don't care how we win. I
don't care how we win, as long as we win
and we do everything we can do to be able
to win.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I think we all understood. I didn't think it was
a big deal. I thought that was fine.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
But the problem is that it Hurts is like kind
of a serious guy.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know, I locked around the briefcase and I love him.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
So was this a joke or was this like dry
humor from Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well, I think Jalen Hurts has felt fairly that they've
sort of built the offense more around the run game,
reduced his numbers of throws, and he was saying, hey,
I got to let loose a little bit, and because
Washington's defense is not as good. First of all, I
love his personality. I wish every quarterback in the league,
you know. I love that Justin Herbert or Jalen Hurts personality,
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no nonsense, all business, briefcase to work, don't give the
media anything. I love him, But I do think this
team is better when it is geared around Sakwon Barkley.
And that's and it's funny because I'll watch Philadelphia play
and it's there are times and I feel I don't
feel this about anybody, including the Chiefs. There are drives
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and quarters with the Eagles that I wonder how they
ever punt. They do everything, And when Jalen is in
his rhythm and he's not always, there are times he
feels a little off and half the time I think
he's hurt. He's never one hundred percent, But I don't
feel like I necessarily always get elite guy from the
pocket with Jalen Hurts, and I think the organization sees it.
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Everybody in the league sees it. Greg Cosel sees it
on the film, and so they've built it to not
depend on him. And in this game he got to
cook a little and he was great. But I don't
take I don't listen in Philadelphia. You say anything. If
you said this in Tampa doesn't make the news. You
say it in Philadelphia, It's on w for the next
six hours.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
The only issue is there were many, many reports, from
a lot of credible reports. I think Breer was one
of them who had Sirianni and Hurts rifted in the
off season.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Then you had the.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Former player I want to say Fletcher Cootts came out
and said, A. J.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Brown and Jalen Hurts don't get along.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Remember on the radio, It's like, why do we keep
having these like squabbles inside the Philadelphia locker room? What
all they do is pretty much win. Like that's that
can't be good one.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I think it is just this goes back to what
I said. There are families in America. Sebastian Manikowsko jokes.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
About, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
The stand up comedian this family. All that did was
argue and yell, and it was just combustible, and yet
they love each other. Is that not every family. Some
families are loud and they're combustible and they argue, and
that's their sign. You know, what do they say about
people in Boston When people are giving you crap in Boston,
it's a sign of affection. They you're you're officially one
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of us, you know, goodwill hunting, you watch the bar scenes.
If we can make fun of you, you're one of us.
And I think Philadelphia is a different town, highly emotional.
The Roster's got some emotional guys. I think Sirianni feeds
into that, and I think it works for them. That's
my conclusion because I can't figure it out. I think
it works for them.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Well, it sure works when they're rolling.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You know, Let's see what happens if they're three and
five next year at the start of the season.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Let's see how that well love language is going. It's
gonna come off. Huh pretty good.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Next story is uh oh, this this is an interesting one.
So Mike McCarthy is officially pulling his name out of
the coaching search in New Orleans and he will be
looking for a job in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Very interesting that.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
He seemed in lock for the Saints job and now
it looks like it's going to Kellen Moore. McCarthy seemed
deadline for the Bears job that went to Ben Johnson.
You know, sometimes the world works in mysterious I think
McCarthy dodged a bullet here big Well.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yes, there was only one great job last year. That
was the Chargers, Harbaugh took him. I think there were
two really interesting jobs this year, Drake May and the
Patriots with the most cap space in the room. And
I think the Bears is very interesting because the roster
is good in Caleb. But if you think about j
Mack there's about seven jobs open a year. If you
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go back a decade, there's always one really good job,
and then there's a couple you're like, maybe that works,
but over half are like Hasmatt spills, like you should
not take them. I mean, New Orleans has zero cap space,
they're in cap hell, and they don't have a star quarterback,
and the quarterback's older and kind of expensive, and they
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don't have a lot of elite players. That's not an
elite job. I mean, why would Mike McCarthy step in
from one dysfunctional place to another place with major issues?
So I think McCarthy just saying I'm gonna go to
next year. I think it's I think it's this. I
think I'm surprised that nobody offered him a job, but
I think he's better off.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, how's this?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Why would Kellen Moore be looking to leave the Eagles
because he's gonna go to the Saints?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, but again, a million and a half a year
to seven to ten, A lot of this is financial
for you.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
You know, we talk about this movies, sports media, like
literally any job out there, you got to be careful
just to get to the top spot because I'm telling you, man,
this New Orleans Saint's job, Kellen Moore could be out
of a job in two years, and then is he
getting another head coach again.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Here's the thing, though, that is easier to say for
like a Mike McCarthy who's made a ton of money.
He's got a fifty million dollar net worth. That's harder
to say to a young guy who's never gotten rich.
We'll play football.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Is an NFL quarterback for five years. I know he
wasn't making twenty million a year.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But he was at quarterback quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
He's been an offensive coordinator. You chasing money. He's only
thirty six. I'm just telling you that you look at
that same froster, that outlook.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It is not well.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I keep telling you stop chasing.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I talked about it elsewhere.
I was said, and we won't talk about it on this
show anyway. I'm a story, Colin.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
It's NFL Draft season and Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know, we love that guy.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
He's a very sharp individual. He has put out his
initial mock draft. There are some surprises here.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Now. I don't think Jeremiah is one of.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
These hot take guys looking to make noise.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But he has Abdul Carter from Penn State going number one.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
He is the best player, believe.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I don't dispute him being I believe.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Abdull Carter's the best player. I think T Mac's the
second best player receiver from Arizona.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So he has Team Mac going eighth to Carolina, which
I like a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, so this doesn't mean they're the best player. You're saying,
this is what he's predicting where they go. Yes, now, Colin,
let's be real. Brian Callahan finally got a head coaching job.
I think they were two and fifteen against the spread.
They were the worst team in the league. If they
tried out Will Levis, Brian Callahan will be out of
a job this time next year. He will not be
coaching a third year. This is a true You can't.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Take Abdul Carter first. You cannot. You have to take
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You do, So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Tell me the game plan? So Callahan keeps his job.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Give it to me. I think if you feel good,
I mean, you've only been coaching one year. I think
you go to your owner and say listen, we don't
think these quarterbacks are b prospects. We can win seven
games of what we have, which gives us the opportunity.
After the Giants get their quarterback, and maybe the Browns
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or the Raiders get their quarterback, who's gonna need a
quarterback next year? We're getting to a saturation point. There's
like four teams next year that need a quarterback. If
the Giants get THEIRS, if the Browns get THEIRS, if
the Raiders get THEIRS, who needs a quarterback?
Speaker 5 (30:32):
We just saw two NFL head coaches, Pierce and a
Patriots guy, a Mayo, both one and done.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
NFL owners are not sitting around and waiting.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I'm telling you Kellahan, if he does not take a
quarterback or somehow look into Aaron Rodgers or something in
free agency, he's gone after next season.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
You know, it's funny. What's happening here is Shader Sanders
and this happens is getting so nitpicked. Speaking of sons,
proving that I I do like to see dad and
sons when I think they're both legitimate. Shadure Sanders now
is getting so nit picked. And we're so in love
with Travis Hunter and cam Ward and I've I've talked
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to now three different gms. They all like Shador Sanders.
They don't think he's an A plus plus. But I
will just tell you Shadre Sanders is a starting quarterback
in this league and is incredibly accurate moving left, moving right,
off platform, going back. Chadure is an NFL quarterback. Why
why you're not bashed Brownie in the opening, But let
me tell you Shaduur Sanders a real player.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
He has Chador going six to the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
We know if he goes to the Raiders, Pete Carroll
is very lucky. You can do way worse than your
first pick is Shader Sanders.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
And the other issue I have with Jeremiah is Cleveland
not taking a quarterback given Deshaun Watsons has popped his
achilles twice, and you're gonna go Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Listen. I like Hunter.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
I don't know his generational stuff is overblown. Cam Ward
to the New York Giant sounds good. Listen, It's how
about my guy Tyler into the Jets.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm gonna tell you I love that.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Tyler Warren is a stud.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
He's not brock Bauer stud, but he's really good and
Mikhail Williams. Who Texas quarterbacks are you know still having
nightmares about what he did to them in Texas earlier
this season. Williams is an animal off the edge. I
like him to New Orleans at nine.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Let me tell you something. If that kid from Arizona
drops to eight, that will be the steel of the
drag him and Bryce Young. There is a general manager
I know who thinks that's the best player in the draft.
Abdil Carter second, that Arizona kid. It was unstoppable in
high school, unstoppable in college. Hey, I'm telling you he
is unbelievable for what it's worth.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Jeremiah in his write up, compared McMillan T Mack to
Drake London, which is good, not like.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, no, no. I like Drake Dolondon a lot. He's
better than Drake London, and I like Drake London a lot.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Drake by the excellent last one, Ashton gent and the Cowboys,
which basically, Okay, can I.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Throw this at you, We'll get into the draft. The
most overdrafted player is going to be Gent. So this
is a great running back draft. It is unbelievable. The thirteenth,
fourteenth best running back to me is eighty percent of gent.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
You say it has two guys who are eighty percent
both excellent.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
This is not a draft to take a running back
in the first round. It's just a lot. And he
is not Saquon He's not Ezekiel Elliott. Or he's in
a major conference and literally with a bad old line,
and I mean had a battle line at Penn State,
was unstoppable in a major conference. I like Gen, but
in a stacked running back draft class, because.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I think this is an overreaction to the Penn State game.
I'm you know, gend. You watch just the highlights.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
He's good, He's good.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
You look at orgon highlights, he looks like and I'm
sorry to say that he looks like Barry Sanders and
something highlight.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I have changed my I'm allowed to change my mind,
and I have come to the conclusion this running back
draft is the best in forever. I the player I'll
use because I watched him play every game as the
kid at USC what he marks. Woody Marx is listed
as the fourteenth best running back in this draft. He
(34:12):
is a starting running back in the NFL on twenty
five twenty three teams. This draft is not a draft.
You can get eighty percent of gent second, third, fourth round.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
I know we're running along, but here the black Korum,
who we loved coming out of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Could barely get on the field with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, he had an injury and I don't think he's
ever quite been the same post injury there. I mean,
I think that's where he broke his forearm.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Somebody's running back with major tread on the tires coming
out of college.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I think you have to be a little cautious to that.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Miss Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Line news something. The Raiders get Shader Sanders if he
falls to them. Man, that is because the Raiders need
a quarterback, a receiver, and a back. They got their tackles,
their center and Rock Bowers, they just needed they need
a number one receiver, a quarterback, a number one running back.
That because Pete's gonna coach the heck out of them.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
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(35:53):
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Speaker 3 (36:15):
Next week, we are headed to New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
The Herd and the entire FS one lineup will be
live from Bourbon Street on Thursday and Friday as we
get ready for Super Bowl fifty nine. And next Friday
we have a Super Bowl special at for Eastern on Fox.
We'll be joined by special guests all week long. Can't
wait for Super Bowl Week on FS one.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
By the way, have you ever had a Benet in
New Orleans?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
No, I've never been to New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
You've never been.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Will be living it up. If I'm late for a
show next week, just know where I am.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Oysters are unbelievable. I've heard Benet's are unbelievable, and they
have all sorts of coffees. Today. Jmack, by the way,
is having his first ever Cafe Americana, which I've been
trying to I've been telling him for a year. I
gave up coffee. I go to Cafe Americano. I am
more sophisticated.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Yeah, I felt after that Bronnie opening, I need to
dial it back a little bit, like coffee, a little
change up, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I supported Shader Sanders. I'm four great athletes having kids
that play. I was a Ken Griffy junior freak forever.
But don't pretend something's happening when it's not happening. That's
all I'm saying about Brownie. So Pete Carroll was being
very diplomatic. He was on a podcast yesterday and he
(37:33):
was asked about the chance of a reconciliation or Russell
Wilson could be on the market and he could be
the Raiders quarterback, and Pete was being very diplomatic. It's
so early.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
I mean, we're just in the midst of just trying
to find the puzzle pieces and I didn't get putting
them together yet, So I really I can't. I can't
even say. I mean, guys are still free. Agency hasn't
come yet. That's the first competitive opportunity that will occur,
and then the draft's coming will have that opportunity to
do things. I can't tell you right now.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I mean I could guess, but it would just be
a guess. Some movies they're not worth a sequel. And
because I'm from the Pacific Northwest, the Pete Russ legion
of Boom Seahawks, it was the first team my sister
ever liked. My sister's not into sports. We started texting
(38:23):
about sports on Sunday really connected because of Russell and
the Seahawks. And there's two quarterbacks that Greg Cosell and
I only two that I can think of, have ever
really disagreed about. I like Trevor Lawrence and Russell always
more than he did, and I may be zero for two.
Trevor Lawrence does not have the obsessiveness I think you
(38:46):
need to go from good to very good and great.
He's plateaued. I'm not sure if he loves the sport.
He's good at it, he's talented. I feel like this
is just what he's willing to be, and we keep
blaming coaches and Russell Wilson. I always thought he led
the potential dynasty. It was him, not him alone, but him.
But if you look back, he was small, he was creative,
(39:08):
he was elusive. I'd never seen anything quite like him
at the time. I think I compared him to a
nineteen seventy quarterback fran Tarkenton or maybe Roger Staubach. I'd
never quite seen it. I think he got other guys drafted,
but Greg Cosell would always say he's not really good
from the pocket. I can't really explain it, but it's
almost like they're like, when he goes back to pass,
he already knows that he's going to leave the pocket.
(39:29):
He doesn't really feel comfortable in the pocket. Now, I
think Jalen Hurtz is not a great pocket quarterback, but
I do think he does feel comfortable in the pocket.
I still don't think Russell does. I just couldn't see
through the fog of Maybe it was my sister's love
for the Seahawks. That was my favorite team growing up.
But I would say this, not all movies need a sequel.
The best the Seahawks were is when they were called
(39:50):
Legion of Boom. And when the Seahawks started to regress,
it was called let Russ Cook. And I thought it
was great. I bought into the hype. But if I
take a step back, I was kind of critical of
the Pete Carrol Russell Wilson thing. I like, didn't get it.
What do you do in Pete? But in the end,
John Sneinder got himself out of Russ and built a
(40:11):
great roster. Now they're still looking for a quarterback, but
it is a really good roster in Seattle. And Denver
got stuck with a quarterback they didn't want and now
Pittsburgh's got a quarterback they're not sure about and probably
don't want, and so I would say in this instance,
no sequel. It was great, it was magical. It was
really brief. It's not gonna be Brady Belichick. Some of
this stuff in the NFL. Sam Darnold and the Vikings
(40:34):
one year feels like it was perfect. Sam's gonna get paid.
JJ McCarthy got hurt. It was one year, and I
really feel like Russ and Seattle about Seattle needed a quarterback.
They at one point they traded for Charlie Whitehurst. They
didn't Matt Flynn, they didn't know Pete was in trouble
seven and nine, seven and nine, we got to get
(40:56):
a quarterback, and it was magical for about a six
seven year run. Pete was out of USC You know,
he's drafting all sorts of players in the fifth, sixth
round that end up great players. But I've just come
to terms with not every great head coach quarterback combo
is any more than one year. Darnold and the Vikings
(41:18):
one year was perfect. If you extended to four, you're
probably getting in the way of JJ McCarthy's development. Just
it was a one great year. The RUSS thing felt
like six or seven really strong years. They probably could
have moved off a couple of years earlier, and that's
wrong on that one. Saints, for the record, still do
not have a head coach Kellen Moore. My guess is
(41:39):
the coach. They're just waiting for the Super Bowl to end.
So I don't love the idea of hiring the last coach.
That means you get the scraps on the coordinators and assistants.
He'll have to take somebody from Philadelphia or several people
on the Eagles staff. Andy Reid is around the corner
the best coaching football. Maybe he certainly now he will
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