January 30, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin looks at the Chiefs playing in their 5th Super Bowl in 6 years and the Eagles playing in their second in 3 years and explains what these highly successful teams have in common
He believes the New York Knicks are the team in the NBA everyone can embrace because of their "anti-NBA" identity
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, our final show
until super Bowl Week. Tomorrow's best of the Herd live
in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Tom Brady Next Hour,
Greg co Sell Next Hour. So great to have you in.
J Mac. Is we get ready our big last final
show before super Bowl Week. Very exciting time for us.
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As your mentor, I have been able to guide you
through these big weeks. You've been very very strong. Self
appointed mente Edis. I gave myself a nickname. I'm a
self appointed mentor. I need to get over me. So
everybody's talking. I read a story this morning about all
the things like the Chiefs and the Eagles have in common.
But you and I like to do this, so I'm
gonna start with this. There are basically four teams that
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keep four organizations that keep getting to this game the
last eight years. The Chiefs, the Eagles, the Niners, and
the Rams. They keep getting to this game regularly. And
what do they have in common. It's not superstar quarterbacks, right,
Nick Foles got to one in one. It's not great
head coaches, Doug Peterson. It's not high flying offenses. It's
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not stifling defenses. Chiefs, Eagles, Niners, Rams keep getting to
this game, and they'll be favored after this year to
get to the next year's game. Right, it's one common
thread upstairs. The front offices are hyper aggressive, trades, deal making,
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moving up in the draft. That's it, and all have
pivoted in recent years, even after success. Even after success,
the Chiefs are like, we're gonna go from Tyreek Hill,
fastest receiver to mostly a defensive led franchise. Rams went golf,
who got to the super Bowl. He got to the
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Super Bowl. We're gonna move off them to Stafford me.
The Niners get to the super Bowl with Garoppolo, We're
gonna go with Brock Party and Christian McCaffrey and the Eagles. Yeah,
they change every fifteen minutes. No big explanation needed, right, coordinators, coaches, quarterbacks,
They're constantly changing. So the NFL is a league that
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wants parody. Best record, drafts, last, there are limitations on
what you can do. First place, hardest schedule, last place,
easiest schedule. So how do you separate when the governance
of a league would like parody? Everybody smushed to the
middle with your personnel moves. The loser in this trend
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is three teams that I think of Joe Burrow and
the Bengals cheap ownership, terrified of taking big swings on
draft day. The Pittsburgh Steelers, how many years in a
row they can't figure out offense, defensive culture. And the
Dallas Cowboys who couldn't afford Derrick Henry. That's funny. The
Eagles have much more talent, very expensive. Could afford Saquon Barkley.
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You couldn't afford Derreck Henry. So in a league designed
for parody, you gotta take big swings. Take Kansas City.
They moved up in the draft to get Mahomes. They
moved up ahead of Buffalo to get Trent mctuffe. They
moved up to get Xavier Worthy. Even as they're winning,
big aggressive moves to go get the piece they need.
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Rams Niners, Eagles, Chiefs. It's not stifling defenses in all cases.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
For Kansas City. It's not always great coaches. Nick Foles
got to a Super Bowl, so did Jared Goff. This league,
they are trying, despite what you think, to keep everybody
within arm's length. And for the record, until this year,
the bottom of the NFL always felt kind of small.
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But it's become more quarterback centric. So if you don't
have one, you fall back further and sooner. But if
you're wondering the big difference in this league, Joe Burrow
should be in five more Super Bowls. He's that good.
I don't think you'll ever get to one if he
stays in Cincinnati. They're cheap, they're frugal. They don't make moves.
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I mean they started bailing from good players before they
had to pay him. I mean they were moving off
safeties anybody. They couldn't have saved money before they paid
Jamar Chase. So if you're looking for a common threat
on this stuff, this is why ask yourself this thirty
years one of the loser franchises in the league, let's
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be honest, was Detroit. What is Detroit done? As well
as anybody for the last three or four years, draft aggressive,
take a running back in the first round, move up
and draft take swings. That's the difference. Well, you got
to have the right quarterback, and Kansas City moved up
to get it. The Rams made a deal to get it.
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Philadelphia has taken risks moving off MVP level went to
get it, and the Niners Garoppolo moved off him. Yeah,
you gotta get the quarterback. How do you think it's
gonna fall to you. You don't think you have to
get on the phone. You don't think you have to
take big swings on this stuff. These teams were good,
and when they were good in getting the Super Bowls,
they still were aggressive. That is the common thread. So
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I gotta talk about this in the NBA right now.
Yesterday Adam Silver came out and said, you know what,
I want to shortened quarters. They're tweaking stuff because the
TV ratings are bad whatever, And one of the reasons
is we don't have a Jordan, we don't have this
young emerging star a Steph Curry. We can all latch
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onto a domestic star. But I do think we have
a team that feels like the most domestic old school product.
The New York Knicks, who beat the Denver Nuggets last night.
They are the anti NBA. They don't shoot a lot
of threes, they're guys, they're starting five, There is no
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load management, they all play thirty five minutes to night,
don't have much of a bench. They practice hard, they
play harder. They're kind of a half court offense, and
it's very rare when a New York team is an underdog.
But they're very much about culture, and that's really not
the NBA. The NBA is about talent. It used to
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be spurs In Duncan culture, Chuck Daly, Piston's culture, MJ toughness,
Phil Jackson culture. The New York Knicks won again last night.
And what they've done and why I think they're so
incredibly likable is they're basically Villanova. Professionally mature guys, older guys,
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same starting lineup, no load management, and in a league
that is struggling because their stars are all international and
international guys, they're not as interested in doing commercials. You
don't know who they are. They didn't go to Kansas
or Syracuse or Ukon. They didn't go to UCLA at
Arizona and Gonzaga. You didn't watch them in college. They
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get hoisted onto a bad team. You don't watch them
until they're stars. They're already in the league five years
and they don't want to do big shoe commercials. So
I think it's really interesting watching the New York Knicks
last night. And here's the thing, the East Coast. The
NBA needs the Knicks, they really do. The Lakers aren't
well run enough to ever carry this franchise again with
this ownership, they're not slippers, have their richest owner. They're
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not a big brand. Wemby's fantastic, but San Antonio is
a small market. So in the end, this league, like baseball,
they need the Yankees. Everybody needs something except the NFL,
where Kansas City can drive ratings, Buffalo can drive rating,
Baltimore and Green Bay can drive rating. The NBA needs
the Knicks because they can't apparently develop a domestic star
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that we all fall in love with. I thought it
would be Aunt, maybe not. So they gave us a
very domestic team, the New York Knicks, because we can't
trust Philadelphia, and can we be honest about Boston. They're
really deep, but they don't have any personality, and all
they do is shoot threes. It's not that riveting basketball.
And I think this is really great about the Knicks
is everybody's Oways loved. All of our basketball stars, especially
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our domestic stars, have loved playing in New York. Jordan
loved it, Kobe loved it, Shack loved it, Aunt loves it.
Everybody likes performing in New York. And what's interesting is
the stars have always loved going to New York and
shown off, and this team's kind of starless. I mean,
Jalen Brunson's terrific, but he's a Villanova guy, and Villanova
guys are really about culture and toughness and practice. They're
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so anti NBA. Jalen Brunson said, yeah, I'm gonna give
up money. Can I I want Michale Bridges. I'm going
to give up money. They are the anti NBA. Not
a lot of threes, no load management, practice and play hard, starters,
play thirty seven minutes, play hurt, don't really care all
in And I think it works. The NBA could use
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about a dozen more Knicks. And I'm trying to think
of a New York team in my life that was
an underdog. Maybe it was the Giants against that undefeated
Patriots team. A lot of America was kind of rooting
for Eli and you know all those defensive linemen. But
this is the rare New York team that really feels likable, embraceable,
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heavily domestic, anti NBA, sacrificing for the betterment of the team.
Fun watch beat Denver last night, easy, easy team to watch.
CJ Max saying nice things, very positive. I noticed when
I did talk about those four aggressive teams, and I
really believe that is that we always look for common threads.
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Why is something happening? So when you ask somebody, oh,
you're successful, the question is how did you do it?
What are the elements to making people successful or companies successful?
And I think if you look in the NFL, it's
not the one thing we all think it is. We think, oh,
it's quarterback, But how did you get it? The Chiefs
moved up from Mahomes. The Rams went and made a
big deal, a risk for Stafford because they were paying
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Stafford and golf for several years. I mean, Garoppolo got
you to a super Bowl. How about a kid from
Iowa State and Philadelphia moved off Carson Wentz when he
was having an MVP year, and so it's like, it's
not just about quarterback. How did you get your quarterback?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
It's risk yeah, and this is a copycat league. So
I think we saw the Falcons tried that with Kirk.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Cousins last year, saled spectacularly.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Let's quickly move on the way the Eagles did from once.
That's right, Falcons have said, Kirk Cousins, it's over.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
We got Penix.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I think you got to make quick decisions and not like, hey,
maybe next year we got a shot, which is what
the Dallas Cowboys seem to be doing.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
We'll talk about this. Think about all the talent the
Philadelphia Eagles have. It is a stack roster. They're paying receivers,
multiple offensive linemen, quarterback, running back, an old corner sleigh,
a safety in linebacker's big money and they could afford
sake one Barkley. The Cowboys are paying Ceedee, Lamb and
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Dack and they're like, we don't have eight million dollars
for Derrick Henry, So you do You just have to
be aggressive. And so when the cowboys plight emerges, no sympathy.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
By the way the Eagles, it's it's amazing they keep
drafting Georgia football players on defense, and.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Amazingly they've got a great defense.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
They're like, God, the secret sauce to the Eagles draft
Georgia football players.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Jalen Carter everybody because there was you know, there was
the incident with his car, and so everybody was hands
off Jalen Carter and aggressively they said, yeah, he's still
the best football player out there and maybe the next
Aaron Donald. That was a big risk.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Nolan Smith coming off the edge. O, he's too light,
he can't. He looks like a beast.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And Zach Bond, who was on special teams with the
New Orleans Saints. Yeah, they see him as an undervalued asset,
first team All Pro like Eagles, just is doing things
right right.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, And by the way, that doesn't mean all big
risks are smart Cleveland, Deshaun Watson, you should never ever
give it a guaranteed contract. Brady didn't get a guaranteed contract.
Mahomes doesn't get one, Lamar doesn't get one. You're not
giving Deshaun Watson. That's just a poorly run franchise. It's
not a poorly coach franchise or a poorly GM franchise.
It's a poorly own franchise. So all risks don't work.
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But when Philadelphia Dove does with they just move off it.
They just okay, they didn't. I mean, look at coordinators.
They get to a Super Bowl, coordinators get head jobs.
Two new coordinators come in one year in I mean
by Thanksgiving, They're like, yeah, this doesn't work. Really, get
new guys get paralyzed by you can take swings. The
problem is when you're Cincinnati and you take no swings,
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and now you have a team that with arguably the
best quarterback in the league this year can't make the playoffs.
And forty percent of the league makes the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
And I'm sure you see all the people crunching the numbers.
Can they afford to keep T Higgins now? Giving all
the money to Burrow.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Higgins and Chase, can you get to the playoffs? I
don't know. It's gonna be tough to keep T Higgins Cincy.
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none of the bowl. I thought this was a really
interesting story. So Caitlin Clark, we've called her Taylor Swift
and tennis shoes. The nation fell in love with her.
She passed said no, thank you to the NBA offering
her a chance to participate in their three point shooting contest.
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Think how amazing that is if I'd have said to
you a couple of years ago. Yeah, the NBA to
save their All Star weekend because it's kind of silly
and unseerious. Now we're getting tired of it. They're going
to ask a WNBA player to join the three point
shooting contest to save it. NBA, to their credits, figured
it out. We got a problem too bad. The women's
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Olympic team had blinders on. But the WNBA proves a
point that I've been hammering for years. College basketball is great.
It is an ally to professional men's and women's basketball.
It introduces us to your stars. I didn't know who
Caitlin Clark was four years ago, or Angel Reese, and
then the last couple of years I was like, man,
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I'm not sure they like each other. It's a tasty rivalry.
And I took that and I followed it into their
professional league. Their college conflict became the best story in
their professional league. They both entered at the same time.
And the reason, of course, is because women now stay
in college for four years. That's what they do in
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college football. That's why college football is surging, and the
NFL is surging, and the WNBA is surging, and women's
basketball ratings are surging, and the NBA is not. It's international.
We don't know the players. We have no visceral connection.
If you go look at the WNBA draft this year,
I knew the first seven players. Go look at the
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NBA draft. It was a who's who of who's that
outside of Zach Edie. Michael Jordan's as a freshman is
game winning basket for UNC became a movie air a
big It was the story of the movie how Nike
figured out who's this young kid from Carolina. It was
the shot as a freshman instead of James Worthy. We
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all used to love March Madness, the rating show. We're
still loving it, and we're loving it more now because
the NIL is allowing some college men's players to stay
in school longer. It's good for the sport, But what
it's really good for is the NBA. We are a
distracted country. We will move off you quickly, and we
will move into you quickly if you give us good storylines.
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Never forget Hollywood. Figure this out. About a decade ago
they started getting rid of artsy independent films and they
make super hero movies. Why because we knew the characters
from comic books. It was all source material. I know
the characters. College football is this incredible feeder system into
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the NFL. I mean Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, bo Nix,
Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy. I watched all of them for years.
The NBA is literally going to the WNBA say can
we borrow your top domestic player. She's way more popular
than our domestic stars. And that's because of women's college basketball.
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I had Adam silver On, we talked about this. I
don't know why it happened. I don't think the G
League's good for the NBA. I really don't. College basketball Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Yukon, Syracuse, Arizona, Gonzaga,
Ucla get the kids introduced to America. Caitlin for the record,
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I think made the smart move and said nah, nah,
I'm not going to help you out. I'll do this.
I'll do the three point shooting contest when the All
Star Game is in Indiana. My city, my team, my place.
Jmcklin news.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Let's go to Nick Sirianna and the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
They're in the Super Bowl for the second time in
three seasons. The last time they were on the big stage,
they were I know you don't want to say this.
They were dominating the Chiefs. They led by ten at halftime.
They were in control of that game.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
A lot of works, I'll do that.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
We've seen this movie before. We know how it ends.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
The Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes with one of these twelve
plays sixty six yard drives at the end of.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
The game, to said at the game winning field goal.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
But anyway, Sirianni knows he's gonna need to tweak some
things to get a different result this time.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
Obviously, you go through everything, and I won't get into
details there, Jeff, of what we're changing, but you go
through after each after each week, you talk about what
you can do better and what you what you did well.
A couple of tweaks here and there, of what we're
what we'll do differently a couple in a couple of
things that you know will stay the same. But of course,
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like any time you go through any situation like that,
you take notes like that and you and you try
to get better from each each circumstance you go through.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, that guy, my Homes was decent in the second
half last time they met.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I think he was like fourteen to fifty, ridiculous numbers.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
They went second half touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, and
they came back to beat the Eagles. Philly had a
great game plan, I'm telling you in that last Super Bowl.
Remember I was on the Eagles. Was a Super Bowl
party with all these He's fans and I was just like, Oh.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
We got this baby Eagles looking good. I was doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I can see that.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, shocker, Sirian's gonna listen.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't know what you say. Like, at this point,
we know what's gonna happen. People are pulling this super Bowl.
Let me remind you, it's perfect. It's the wall of
talent in Philadelphia and the greatest coach and quarterback currently
playing in the league. If you gave Mahomes to the Eagles,
it's a blowout. If you gave Phillies talent to read
in Mahomes, it's a blowout. It's the perfect Ying and Yang.
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It's Philadelphia's talent, but we doubt the two most important
positions head coach, quarterback, and then it's reading Mahomes, and
we don't think they quite stack up physically personnel wise
with Philadelphia. That's what this is a superhero movie. It's
you could see both. You could see the overwhelming talent
of Philadelphia flourishing, or you could see Mahomes last minute,
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trailing all game nine play drive plus a two point
can win twenty eight, twenty seven. That's why I think
it's a fantastic super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
So in that Super Bowl, remember Hurts had the fumble,
Nick Bolton scoop and score yep right, And then in
the second half there was the Kadarius Tony I don't
even know if that guy's in the league anymore, breaks
off like a seventy.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Five yard punt return.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Remember down the sideline member, it was just like one
is always something that she's always you know, what's.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Something right about this game?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Just just think about this Mahomes, Kelsey Worthy Barkley, Brown, Goddard,
I mean, Jalen Carter. He got like nine playmakers, some
on defense. This is a playmaker super Bowl. These are
the teams that should be in it. I told you
I was talking to an NFL executive this week and
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he goes, the media portrays Buffalo and Kansas City is
very even. He goes, the Chiefs top seven to eight
players outside of Josh Allen are mostly much better than
the Bills top seven or eight players. He goes, you,
guys think the rosters are close. There's nothing like Trent
mcduffi or Chris Jones anywhere on the Buffalo roster. Well,
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just on defense.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Kind of hard.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I mean Benford was excellent all season, then he leads
with a concussion. But this spread in that game was
one and a half and they wouldn't buy a field goal,
Like I don't.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
I don't think there's that much of a gap.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Do you think there's a huge talent gap between Eagles
and Chiefs?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I know you gotta do your top ten players, please that.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I'm gonna do that next week. Probably I'll do that Thursday.
So do I think there's a big gap. I think
Philadelphia has more elite players.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I mean it's probably seven of the ten are going
to be Eagles. Well, i'll give you Mahomes. I don't
know that I can give you Keffy. I don't know
that I can give you Kelsey as one of the
top ten players in this game.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
If you're going on like history, sure, but right now.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Is he Would you be shocked if Travis Kelsey won
MVP of the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I would be shocked. Yeah. I know Eagles have struggled
with tight end.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Zach Ertz just had eleven catches for Washington, so maybe
Kelsey goes.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Bonkers, But yeah, I would be shocked if he's Are
you betting that? Is that a prop bet?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You're getting off saying, well, I mean Goddard could win MVP.
I mean that both tight ends are great. He's really good.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah, all right. We'll go to the next story, and
that's the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
They introduced Pete Carroll earlier this week after moving off
Antonio Pierce. Max Crosby, who you remember pounded the table
for Antonio Pierce. You know, he he's excited about Pete
Carroll and he's very pumped about where the team Enfranchise
is headed.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's exciting.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I think the number one thing you look at is
just energy. You know, we talked about it a few
times on competition as well. You know, as a competitor,
as somebody who brings energy all the time and lives
off that and expects it from others. I love somebody
with that, with that type of mentality. So he's a winner.
He's done in his whole career.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The main things that he talked about is we're going
right now, like we're not wasting time. That's the one
thing he mentioned to me after his past conference. He
just we're going to get the same role.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
In Yeah, it's interesting when you look at their personnel.
They have both their tackle set and their center set,
so they found a right tackle in a center last
year in the draft. They have a weapon, a key weapon,
brought powers, they have their pass rusher, and I actually
think defensively they were all beat up last year. They're
pretty good. They've got some defensive guys. They played Kansas
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City very competitive.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
What's a divisional matchup?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I don't I don't think they're that. I think they're
a quarterback, a running back and another receiver away from
being a pain in the butt.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I think they're already a pain in the butt a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
But I mean we're talking about him quantum leap surpassing
the Chargers and.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
The Remember Chiefs in the regular season, don't blow blow
people out. Chargers didn't blow people out. They were a
low team, low wattage offenses. And the Broncos are still
to some degree in a rebuild.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
So who's finishing your guests?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Since you are willing to put the Patriots in the playoffs,
who's finishing in the basement in this division?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think they remember what I said this year about
the Vikings. I said the Vikings or the Bears, but
mostly the Vikings. If they finished fourth, will be the
best fourth place team ever. I could see the Raiders
winning eight games, but having beaten Denver, Kansas City, and
the Chargers each once, and it would be a high
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if they had a better quarterback this year. I mean,
they were in a lot of games and we're bad
at quarterback there.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I don't see eight wins.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Colin, Yeah, yeah, when I said last year Denver would
win nine, you know what, you scoff, You mocked me.
Now you look at me as your mentor stay clear
of my predictions.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
You can tell who's excited about a three day weekend.
All right, let's go to the final story.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And the Super Bowl Trophy is famously named after Packers
legend Vince Lombardi, who led the team to wins in
the first two NFL Super Bowls. Heading into Super Bowl
fifty nine on Fox, Belichick, Bill Belichick that is, believes
the trophy should be renamed after the goat Tom Brady.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Players win games. You can't win games without good players.
I don't care who the coach is. It's impossible. You
can't win without good players. And that's what coach Barcells
taught me is there's always a way to win. You
just got to figure out what it is and you
have to give the players a chance.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
They don't name it the Star Trophy. It's name little
Bardi Trophy.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Maybe it's a name it the Brady Trophy.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He wants seven of them. You know what? That that's
my favorite Parcells line ever. You ever watched the Belichick
parcels when they sat down, it's one of my favorite.
It's a thirty for thirty. It's just uncomfortable. But I
but they're both Obviosylcy legends. My favorite Parcels line ever
he's ever used. There's a way to win every game.
It's your job as a coach to figure it out
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you can win. I mean the Raiders are a block kicked.
Denver's a block kick with bownicks from beating the Chiefs
and Arrowhead's I think it was an Arrowhead. There's a
way to win every game. And I think Belichick, if
you're going to take anything from Parcells, that that is
the answer. There's a way to do it. I remember
talking to Sean Payton before the season starts and I'm like,
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man Harbaugh Mahalmes rookie quarterback. Sean's like, I feel good
about our chances. He goes, I like our team a lot,
and I'm thinking he's just Sees just texted me they
hate didn't think that, and they made the playoffs in
the AFC.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Well, this, this is an interesting comment from Belichick. I
mean it's a cop obviously, it's a combination of.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Players and coaches.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
But I'll tell you right now that Kansas City Chiefs
Bills ending with the cornerback blitz by McDuffie untouched. That's
all coaching. And listen, Spagnolo is a master Colin. You
know I coached my kids in youth sports, right, so
I couldn't make my son's basketball were undefeated.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Shocker.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I couldn't make the game.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
I was that my daughter's volleyball Chorge. My wife's texting
me we're losing. Yeah, I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
They don't have you there?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So I start saying, what's the strategy? And my wife's like,
they only have five players.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I was like, full.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Court press, tax tell the coach full court we saw
full court pressing.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
What happens? I'm in. I'm in, like an hour away.
We come back. We pulled within four. That's ultimately we lose.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
But I'm a believer coaching matters, Colin. It is huge
and instrumentals.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Like how you inserted yourself into a story about the
Lombardo I really appreciate it. I think the audience does too.
J Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Line Greg Cosell top of next hour, and uh, he's great.
And then we're gonna have Tom Brady next hour as well. Uh,
Peter Scheger stopping by. So this this is good news
for Chicago. So I know today is like I'm playing
the greatest hits because I'm going back to things that
I talk about a lot. But I saw this story
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and it matters. This is good news for Chicago Bears fans.
So Ben Johnson is the new coach, right and they're
talking about what free agent and this is not a
small thing. What free agent he's interested in? And do
you know who it is? Guard Trey Smith for the
Chiefs a guard. Sean McVeagh and the Rams spend money
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on guards. Eagles spend money on guards. Mike Tomlin gave
away Kevin Dotson was going to cut him. Guard McVeigh
took him. He was the highest rated guard in the
league his first year in LA. I think he was
rated second highest. Tomlin didn't know how to use him.
The secret sauce to these offensive coaches is not just
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improving quarterback play and adding layers to the playbook and sophistication.
Sean Payton goes to Denver. The offensive line is right
near the bottom of the league. Two years later. This year,
PFF ranked at second. Tomlin last seven years cannot figure
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out the Steelers old line. Belichick, when Dante Scarneki had retired,
legendary old line coach arguably be best. Ever every year
the old line got one. Kansas City signed guard Joe Toney,
remember that from New England. Everybody's like, whoa, that is
a lot for a guard. That dude is the most
underrated offensive lineman in the league. They move him out
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to left tackle and he's good. McVeigh Philadelphia offensive coaches,
Kansas City. This is the secret sauce to offensive coaches,
and so Ben Johnson is like, you know, really interesting
to me is a Trey Smith a six round pick.
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And remember, if you look at Kansas City, they've had
flaws during this They've been rebooting their receiving corps. Kelsey's
getting old. Remember the year they got Creed Humphrey in
the second round from Oklahoma and Trey Smith in the
sixth round I think from Tennessee bo Stars. Then they
add Joe Toney or maybe Tooney was already there, I
forge I think Tony came in later, whatever it was.
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Those are three of the best. One of them's the
hottest free agent on the offense. So money invested on
the offensive line last year The highest were the Rams,
Chiefs and Colts, and the lowest with the Seahawks. Bears
and Bucks and the Seahawks. Bears and Bucks all had
defensive coaches. Rams Chiefs and Colts all had offensive coaches.
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Do you think that's a coincidence. I do not, so
I'm just here to tell you when Ben Johnson says
our number one priority and this, nobody cares about this.
It doesn't make headlines. It's not sexy. He's like, I
want to guard from Kansas City. That is a great
sign because these defensive coaches, and they're good, they don't
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get it. I've been saying on this for three years.
Go look at the end of the year to the
highest rated O lines and who spends money on O lines.
It's the offensive coaches Pittsburgh seven years now. They can't
figure it out. They keep drafting it. They can't figure
it out. Ben Johnson hasn't coached the game. Get me
the guard from Kansas City.
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Speaker 1 (32:18):
So suddenly, uh, And it's weird how it works when
a team gets really really good at dynasty beginning, middle
or end, Suddenly everybody that can't beat them always blames
the officials. Gotta have something right, can't blame your team.
So Travis Kelcey, in a podcast with his brother Jason, admitted,
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and this stems mostly from the calls that's perceived. They
go Kansasity's way. They are the villain in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I love it.
Speaker 9 (32:50):
At one point, at one point in time, you know,
it wasn't that and you.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Were the sener. You guys were the dollars in the NFL.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
I was the do you feel bad for him? Guys,
and you're not the heel. I'm I'm just I'm enjoying.
I'm enjoying doing this with the guys together, the guys
that we have in there, because it's it's like it
just makes us even more of a family.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So let's take a walk down memory lane of all
these dynasties beginning, middle and end. Let's go to the
Patriots dynasty. How did it begin? Oh, the tuck rule,
a highly controversial play. They went on to win that game. Hmm,
it wasn't the last play of the game, but it
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helped them win. Controversial call. How about the greatest team
ever in the NBA the NBA called the Jordan Rules.
They changed the rules to help Michael Right. No more
tackling the Jordan rules. There's a term for it. How
about the Lakers dynasty, Shaq and Kobe. It's almost as
if in that Game six, people forget that in Game
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seven the Kings couldn't hit the broadside of a boat.
But in Game six, those Lakers got some dubious calls,
favver bol calls. That's the only reason they won the series.
They actually played a Game seven. And about how about
the Derek Jeter and the Yankees Game one ALCS Baltimore.
Remember that Jeffrey Mayer h the league wants them to win.
(34:16):
Here's the funny thing. All these sports, all these great players,
like the leagues, all of them were in cahoots. You know,
the truth is your team gets breaks too, But after
you get the tuck rule, you miss the kick or
have to punt because you don't have Tom Brady, or
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after you get that favorable call like Sacramento didn't in
Game six. Sacramento was awful in Game seven, and the
Lakers weren't. Your batter strikes out even after the umpire,
you know it's Rigg gives your team that man at
second base, he was out on the tag. If the
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Yankees had somebody who drove him home and Brady got
a first down and the kicker made the kick in
a snowstorm, and the Lakers were the better team in
Game seven. Everybody in life gets breaks. Smarter people, focus people,
ascending people, more driven people, more aspirational people, more prepared
people take advantage of the breaks. Do you really believe
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in Buffalo that spot with thirteen minutes left the side
of the game. Did you watch the first series where
Josh Allen almost threw two picks, punted, gave it to
Kansas City, march down the field and scored at home,
taking a seven to nothing lead in the playoff game
when you're also getting the second half kickoff means you'll
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win it sixty five percent of the time. But go ahead,
blame the refs. There were thirteen minutes left in that game.
Go to Jeters, Yankees. The Jordan rules, the Sacramento Laker
Game six, the tuck rule. Your team gets the same breaks.
They can't cap it off right, Like even our parents,
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if they pass away and they have a will, they
give executor of the will to the one kid they
trust the one adult. Doesn't mean they love them more,
but they trust them more. They're more organized, less frivolous,
more focused. And that's the reality of all these dynasties. Yes,
they have been given breaks on calls. I remember when
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Brady beat Kansas City in Arrowhead. There was a call
in that game defod ah. Remember that. I think he
was off sides by a centimeter. They got the call,
But what did they do with the advantage of the call.
Everybody's getting breaks in life, everybody's getting calls. The dynasties
have better players, better coaches, better manage, more focus, more aspirational.
(36:50):
They do something with the break. Thirteen minutes ago, you're
blaming a spot. Did you watch your last drive? Did
you watch Kansas City when they had to get a
first down to kill the clock or expand the clock
and in the game and they had the special play
samaj ap Rye. How come you didn't have that play?
How come you didn't have that kind of play because
Kansas City did. So. I hear this all the time,
(37:11):
Greg co cell Top of the Hour. There's always an
excuse for it. I heard it with the Yankees, the Patriots,
the Chiefs, Shaq and Kobe. People always forget that Sacramento series.
They forget there was another game. Apparently people just didn't
didn't pay attention to the or in Buffalo, Kansas City,
there's thirteen minutes left. Each team's getting the ball at
least once, probably twice. There's thirteen minutes left after the call.
(37:33):
Make something of it. You forget if you're really I
owe it. This is my rule. Whenever fans in the
NBA blame the refs for losing the game, I always
ask the same question, how many turnovers did you have
and how many free throws did you miss? And if
it adds up to twenty, I'm like, you gave the
ball away twenty times and you missed and you had
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free throw twenty times twenty potential. So think about in
the NBA, with a three point shot, a turnover could
be a minus three. If you have ten turnovers, that
could be thirty points potentially. Right Like, if you're hitting
threes if you're hot, it wouldn't be because nobody go
ten for ten. But like a turnover in the NBA
is potentially giving up three points. So that's why I
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don't watch games with fans. The officials are out to
get us. Now they're not really, they're not really. Kansasity's
just better in these big moments, and Philadelphia's got a
better roster. By the way, I was looking at dynasties
this morning and I went back the last thirty years. Jmac,
just guess the number. Don't put it on the screen,
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just pros, not college sports. Last thirty years, how many
dynasties have we had? Baseball, football, professional.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Mess And can you define dynasty one more time for me?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
You know it when you hear it. That's like the
Supreme Court said about adult content. You know it when
you see it. I'll go four, almost double that eight.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Well, now let me hear them, because there may be two.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'll go to the top of the hour. But it's interesting.
Your initial thought is there haven't been that many, And
my take on dynasties is we're having more and more.
I'm not even counting college Tennessee Women's Yukon women's I'm
not counting Alabama football. I'm not even counting Georgia football.
I'm not even counting that. I'm not counting Serena Williams
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team sports, right, Tiger, I'm not counting that in virtually
every sport, not name hockey. Okay, now, they had the
Montreal Canadians back in the late sixties, I think seventies.
Every sport's filled with dynasties because people aren't even this idea.
The leagues are trying. It's like sports is largely outside
of baseball socialism. They want socialism that's right, like baseball's not.
(39:50):
And you have a huge gap, right, and like Pittsburgh
can't compete with the Dodgers, we know that they could
be more competitive. Well, the Dodgers are going to drive
more game day revenue.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
They have it.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
We all know that. So take baseball out. But the
leagues are trying to even this stuff out. It doesn't
matter if it's women's tennis, it doesn't matter if it's
college football, women's college basketball. There's dynasties and everything because
people aren't even You cannot legislate even. You can legislate fair,
you can have rules that are fair, you can't legislate
even everything's a dynasty. Look at tech, there's five companies
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in the world that run everything. You know Meta, Navidia,
you know Google. There's like five companies that run basically
the Dow Jones. I mean, if you if you look
at our country, five companies the last decade have basically
run it. Our stock market, it's five to six companies.
There is no parody I do.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Can I quibble with a word? You said the Chicago
Bulls are the best dynasty in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Maybe that's true.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Just I'm sorry, it's it's the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
With Kde and Steph most dominant postseason run ever, they
wiped the floor with everybody, nearly went sixteen or zero, if.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Not for a historic Cabs for it was the best
skinny jeans team of all time.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Charles Barkley over there in disguise, you.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Take Draymond Green out. It was a finesse team.
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Here we go. It is a Thursday, our final show
until super Bowl Week. Tomorrow's best of the Herd live
in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Tom Brady Next Hour,
Greg co Sell Next Hour. So great to have you in.
J Mac. Is we get ready our big last final
show before super Bowl Week. Very exciting time for us.
(00:48):
As your mentor, I have been able to guide you
through these big weeks. You've been very very strong. Self
appointed mente Edis. I gave myself a nickname. I'm a
self appointed mentor. I need to get over me. So
everybody's talking. I read a story this morning about all
the things like the Chiefs and the Eagles have in common.
But you and I like to do this, so I'm
gonna start with this. There are basically four teams that
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keep four organizations that keep getting to this game the
last eight years. The Chiefs, the Eagles, the Niners, and
the Rams. They keep getting to this game regularly. And
what do they have in common. It's not superstar quarterbacks, right,
Nick Foles got to one in one. It's not great
head coaches, Doug Peterson. It's not high flying offenses. It's
(01:36):
not stifling defenses. Chiefs, Eagles, Niners, Rams keep getting to
this game, and they'll be favored after this year to
get to the next year's game. Right, it's one common
thread upstairs. The front offices are hyper aggressive, trades, deal making,
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moving up in the draft. That's it, and all have
pivoted in recent years, even after success. Even after success,
the Chiefs are like, we're gonna go from Tyreek Hill,
fastest receiver to mostly a defensive led franchise. Rams went golf,
who got to the super Bowl. He got to the
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Super Bowl. We're gonna move off them to Stafford me.
The Niners get to the super Bowl with Garoppolo, We're
gonna go with Brock Party and Christian McCaffrey and the Eagles. Yeah,
they change every fifteen minutes. No big explanation needed, right, coordinators, coaches, quarterbacks,
They're constantly changing. So the NFL is a league that
(02:42):
wants parody. Best record, drafts, last, there are limitations on
what you can do. First place, hardest schedule, last place,
easiest schedule. So how do you separate when the governance
of a league would like parody? Everybody smushed to the
middle with your personnel moves. The loser in this trend
(03:04):
is three teams that I think of Joe Burrow and
the Bengals cheap ownership, terrified of taking big swings on
draft day. The Pittsburgh Steelers, how many years in a
row they can't figure out offense, defensive culture. And the
Dallas Cowboys who couldn't afford Derrick Henry. That's funny. The
Eagles have much more talent, very expensive. Could afford Saquon Barkley.
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You couldn't afford Derreck Henry. So in a league designed
for parody, you gotta take big swings. Take Kansas City.
They moved up in the draft to get Mahomes. They
moved up ahead of Buffalo to get Trent mctuffe. They
moved up to get Xavier Worthy. Even as they're winning,
big aggressive moves to go get the piece they need.
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Rams Niners, Eagles, Chiefs. It's not stifling defenses in all cases.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
For Kansas City. It's not always great coaches. Nick Foles
got to a Super Bowl, so did Jared Goff. This league,
they are trying, despite what you think, to keep everybody
within arm's length. And for the record, until this year,
the bottom of the NFL always felt kind of small.
(04:22):
But it's become more quarterback centric. So if you don't
have one, you fall back further and sooner. But if
you're wondering the big difference in this league, Joe Burrow
should be in five more Super Bowls. He's that good.
I don't think you'll ever get to one if he
stays in Cincinnati. They're cheap, they're frugal. They don't make moves.
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I mean they started bailing from good players before they
had to pay him. I mean they were moving off
safeties anybody. They couldn't have saved money before they paid
Jamar Chase. So if you're looking for a common threat
on this stuff, this is why ask yourself this thirty
years one of the loser franchises in the league, let's
(05:04):
be honest, was Detroit. What is Detroit done? As well
as anybody for the last three or four years, draft aggressive,
take a running back in the first round, move up
and draft take swings. That's the difference. Well, you got
to have the right quarterback, and Kansas City moved up
to get it. The Rams made a deal to get it.
(05:24):
Philadelphia has taken risks moving off MVP level went to
get it, and the Niners Garoppolo moved off him. Yeah,
you gotta get the quarterback. How do you think it's
gonna fall to you. You don't think you have to
get on the phone. You don't think you have to
take big swings on this stuff. These teams were good,
and when they were good in getting the Super Bowls,
they still were aggressive. That is the common thread. So
(05:49):
I gotta talk about this in the NBA right now.
Yesterday Adam Silver came out and said, you know what,
I want to shortened quarters. They're tweaking stuff because the
TV ratings are bad whatever, And one of the reasons
is we don't have a Jordan, we don't have this
young emerging star a Steph Curry. We can all latch
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onto a domestic star. But I do think we have
a team that feels like the most domestic old school product.
The New York Knicks, who beat the Denver Nuggets last night.
They are the anti NBA. They don't shoot a lot
of threes, they're guys, they're starting five, There is no
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load management, they all play thirty five minutes to night,
don't have much of a bench. They practice hard, they
play harder. They're kind of a half court offense, and
it's very rare when a New York team is an underdog.
But they're very much about culture, and that's really not
the NBA. The NBA is about talent. It used to
(06:51):
be spurs In Duncan culture, Chuck Daly, Piston's culture, MJ toughness,
Phil Jackson culture. The New York Knicks won again last night.
And what they've done and why I think they're so
incredibly likable is they're basically Villanova. Professionally mature guys, older guys,
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same starting lineup, no load management, and in a league
that is struggling because their stars are all international and
international guys, they're not as interested in doing commercials. You
don't know who they are. They didn't go to Kansas
or Syracuse or Ukon. They didn't go to UCLA at
Arizona and Gonzaga. You didn't watch them in college. They
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get hoisted onto a bad team. You don't watch them
until they're stars. They're already in the league five years
and they don't want to do big shoe commercials. So
I think it's really interesting watching the New York Knicks
last night. And here's the thing, the East Coast. The
NBA needs the Knicks, they really do. The Lakers aren't
well run enough to ever carry this franchise again with
this ownership, they're not slippers, have their richest owner. They're
(08:01):
not a big brand. Wemby's fantastic, but San Antonio is
a small market. So in the end, this league, like baseball,
they need the Yankees. Everybody needs something except the NFL,
where Kansas City can drive ratings, Buffalo can drive rating,
Baltimore and Green Bay can drive rating. The NBA needs
the Knicks because they can't apparently develop a domestic star
(08:24):
that we all fall in love with. I thought it
would be Aunt, maybe not. So they gave us a
very domestic team, the New York Knicks, because we can't
trust Philadelphia, and can we be honest about Boston. They're
really deep, but they don't have any personality, and all
they do is shoot threes. It's not that riveting basketball.
And I think this is really great about the Knicks
is everybody's Oways loved. All of our basketball stars, especially
(08:47):
our domestic stars, have loved playing in New York. Jordan
loved it, Kobe loved it, Shack loved it, Aunt loves it.
Everybody likes performing in New York. And what's interesting is
the stars have always loved going to New York and
shown off, and this team's kind of starless. I mean,
Jalen Brunson's terrific, but he's a Villanova guy, and Villanova
guys are really about culture and toughness and practice. They're
(09:10):
so anti NBA. Jalen Brunson said, yeah, I'm gonna give
up money. Can I I want Michale Bridges. I'm going
to give up money. They are the anti NBA. Not
a lot of threes, no load management, practice and play hard, starters,
play thirty seven minutes, play hurt, don't really care all
in And I think it works. The NBA could use
(09:31):
about a dozen more Knicks. And I'm trying to think
of a New York team in my life that was
an underdog. Maybe it was the Giants against that undefeated
Patriots team. A lot of America was kind of rooting
for Eli and you know all those defensive linemen. But
this is the rare New York team that really feels likable, embraceable,
(09:53):
heavily domestic, anti NBA, sacrificing for the betterment of the team.
Fun watch beat Denver last night, easy, easy team to watch.
CJ Max saying nice things, very positive. I noticed when
I did talk about those four aggressive teams, and I
really believe that is that we always look for common threads.
(10:15):
Why is something happening? So when you ask somebody, oh,
you're successful, the question is how did you do it?
What are the elements to making people successful or companies successful?
And I think if you look in the NFL, it's
not the one thing we all think it is. We think, oh,
it's quarterback, But how did you get it? The Chiefs
moved up from Mahomes. The Rams went and made a
big deal, a risk for Stafford because they were paying
(10:36):
Stafford and golf for several years. I mean, Garoppolo got
you to a super Bowl. How about a kid from
Iowa State and Philadelphia moved off Carson Wentz when he
was having an MVP year, and so it's like, it's
not just about quarterback. How did you get your quarterback?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
It's risk yeah, and this is a copycat league. So
I think we saw the Falcons tried that with Kirk.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Cousins last year, saled spectacularly.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Let's quickly move on the way the Eagles did from once.
That's right, Falcons have said, Kirk Cousins, it's over.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
We got Penix.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I think you got to make quick decisions and not like, hey,
maybe next year we got a shot, which is what
the Dallas Cowboys seem to be doing.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
We'll talk about this. Think about all the talent the
Philadelphia Eagles have. It is a stack roster. They're paying receivers,
multiple offensive linemen, quarterback, running back, an old corner sleigh,
a safety in linebacker's big money and they could afford
sake one Barkley. The Cowboys are paying Ceedee, Lamb and
(11:30):
Dack and they're like, we don't have eight million dollars
for Derrick Henry, So you do You just have to
be aggressive. And so when the cowboys plight emerges, no sympathy.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
By the way the Eagles, it's it's amazing they keep
drafting Georgia football players on defense, and.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Amazingly they've got a great defense.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
They're like, God, the secret sauce to the Eagles draft
Georgia football players.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Jalen Carter everybody because there was you know, there was
the incident with his car, and so everybody was hands
off Jalen Carter and aggressively they said, yeah, he's still
the best football player out there and maybe the next
Aaron Donald. That was a big risk.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Nolan Smith coming off the edge. O, he's too light,
he can't. He looks like a beast.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And Zach Bond, who was on special teams with the
New Orleans Saints. Yeah, they see him as an undervalued asset,
first team All Pro like Eagles, just is doing things
right right.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, And by the way, that doesn't mean all big
risks are smart Cleveland, Deshaun Watson, you should never ever
give it a guaranteed contract. Brady didn't get a guaranteed contract.
Mahomes doesn't get one, Lamar doesn't get one. You're not
giving Deshaun Watson. That's just a poorly run franchise. It's
not a poorly coach franchise or a poorly GM franchise.
It's a poorly own franchise. So all risks don't work.
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But when Philadelphia Dove does with they just move off it.
They just okay, they didn't. I mean, look at coordinators.
They get to a Super Bowl, coordinators get head jobs.
Two new coordinators come in one year in I mean
by Thanksgiving, They're like, yeah, this doesn't work. Really, get
new guys get paralyzed by you can take swings. The
problem is when you're Cincinnati and you take no swings,
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and now you have a team that with arguably the
best quarterback in the league this year can't make the playoffs.
And forty percent of the league makes the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
And I'm sure you see all the people crunching the numbers.
Can they afford to keep T Higgins now? Giving all
the money to Burrow.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Higgins and Chase, can you get to the playoffs? I
don't know. It's gonna be tough to keep T Higgins Cincy.
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none of the bowl. I thought this was a really
interesting story. So Caitlin Clark, we've called her Taylor Swift
and tennis shoes. The nation fell in love with her.
She passed said no, thank you to the NBA offering
her a chance to participate in their three point shooting contest.
(14:00):
Think how amazing that is if I'd have said to
you a couple of years ago. Yeah, the NBA to
save their All Star weekend because it's kind of silly
and unseerious. Now we're getting tired of it. They're going
to ask a WNBA player to join the three point
shooting contest to save it. NBA, to their credits, figured
it out. We got a problem too bad. The women's
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Olympic team had blinders on. But the WNBA proves a
point that I've been hammering for years. College basketball is great.
It is an ally to professional men's and women's basketball.
It introduces us to your stars. I didn't know who
Caitlin Clark was four years ago, or Angel Reese, and
then the last couple of years I was like, man,
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I'm not sure they like each other. It's a tasty rivalry.
And I took that and I followed it into their
professional league. Their college conflict became the best story in
their professional league. They both entered at the same time.
And the reason, of course, is because women now stay
in college for four years. That's what they do in
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college football. That's why college football is surging, and the
NFL is surging, and the WNBA is surging, and women's
basketball ratings are surging, and the NBA is not. It's international.
We don't know the players. We have no visceral connection.
If you go look at the WNBA draft this year,
I knew the first seven players. Go look at the
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NBA draft. It was a who's who of who's that
outside of Zach Edie. Michael Jordan's as a freshman is
game winning basket for UNC became a movie air a
big It was the story of the movie how Nike
figured out who's this young kid from Carolina. It was
the shot as a freshman instead of James Worthy. We
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all used to love March Madness, the rating show. We're
still loving it, and we're loving it more now because
the NIL is allowing some college men's players to stay
in school longer. It's good for the sport, But what
it's really good for is the NBA. We are a
distracted country. We will move off you quickly, and we
will move into you quickly if you give us good storylines.
(16:10):
Never forget Hollywood. Figure this out. About a decade ago
they started getting rid of artsy independent films and they
make super hero movies. Why because we knew the characters
from comic books. It was all source material. I know
the characters. College football is this incredible feeder system into
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the NFL. I mean Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, bo Nix,
Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy. I watched all of them for years.
The NBA is literally going to the WNBA say can
we borrow your top domestic player. She's way more popular
than our domestic stars. And that's because of women's college basketball.
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I had Adam silver On, we talked about this. I
don't know why it happened. I don't think the G
League's good for the NBA. I really don't. College basketball Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Yukon, Syracuse, Arizona, Gonzaga,
Ucla get the kids introduced to America. Caitlin for the record,
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I think made the smart move and said nah, nah,
I'm not going to help you out. I'll do this.
I'll do the three point shooting contest when the All
Star Game is in Indiana. My city, my team, my place.
Jmcklin news.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Let's go to Nick Sirianna and the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
They're in the Super Bowl for the second time in
three seasons. The last time they were on the big stage,
they were I know you don't want to say this.
They were dominating the Chiefs. They led by ten at halftime.
They were in control of that game.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
A lot of works, I'll do that.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
We've seen this movie before. We know how it ends.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
The Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes with one of these twelve
plays sixty six yard drives at the end of.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
The game, to said at the game winning field goal.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
But anyway, Sirianni knows he's gonna need to tweak some
things to get a different result this time.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
Obviously, you go through everything, and I won't get into
details there, Jeff, of what we're changing, but you go
through after each after each week, you talk about what
you can do better and what you what you did well.
A couple of tweaks here and there, of what we're
what we'll do differently a couple in a couple of
things that you know will stay the same. But of course,
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like any time you go through any situation like that,
you take notes like that and you and you try
to get better from each each circumstance you go through.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, that guy, my Homes was decent in the second
half last time they met.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I think he was like fourteen to fifty, ridiculous numbers.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
They went second half touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, and
they came back to beat the Eagles. Philly had a
great game plan, I'm telling you in that last Super Bowl.
Remember I was on the Eagles. Was a Super Bowl
party with all these He's fans and I was just like, Oh.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
We got this baby Eagles looking good. I was doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I can see that.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, shocker, Sirian's gonna listen.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't know what you say. Like, at this point,
we know what's gonna happen. People are pulling this super Bowl.
Let me remind you, it's perfect. It's the wall of
talent in Philadelphia and the greatest coach and quarterback currently
playing in the league. If you gave Mahomes to the Eagles,
it's a blowout. If you gave Phillies talent to read
in Mahomes, it's a blowout. It's the perfect Ying and Yang.
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It's Philadelphia's talent, but we doubt the two most important
positions head coach, quarterback, and then it's reading Mahomes, and
we don't think they quite stack up physically personnel wise
with Philadelphia. That's what this is a superhero movie. It's
you could see both. You could see the overwhelming talent
of Philadelphia flourishing, or you could see Mahomes last minute,
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trailing all game nine play drive plus a two point
can win twenty eight, twenty seven. That's why I think
it's a fantastic super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
So in that Super Bowl, remember Hurts had the fumble,
Nick Bolton scoop and score yep right, And then in
the second half there was the Kadarius Tony I don't
even know if that guy's in the league anymore, breaks
off like a seventy.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Five yard punt return.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Remember down the sideline member, it was just like one
is always something that she's always you know, what's.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Something right about this game?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Just just think about this Mahomes, Kelsey Worthy Barkley, Brown, Goddard,
I mean, Jalen Carter. He got like nine playmakers, some
on defense. This is a playmaker super Bowl. These are
the teams that should be in it. I told you
I was talking to an NFL executive this week and
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he goes, the media portrays Buffalo and Kansas City is
very even. He goes, the Chiefs top seven to eight
players outside of Josh Allen are mostly much better than
the Bills top seven or eight players. He goes, you,
guys think the rosters are close. There's nothing like Trent
mcduffi or Chris Jones anywhere on the Buffalo roster. Well,
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just on defense.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Kind of hard.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I mean Benford was excellent all season, then he leads
with a concussion. But this spread in that game was
one and a half and they wouldn't buy a field goal,
Like I don't.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
I don't think there's that much of a gap.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Do you think there's a huge talent gap between Eagles
and Chiefs?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I know you gotta do your top ten players, please that.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I'm gonna do that next week. Probably I'll do that Thursday.
So do I think there's a big gap. I think
Philadelphia has more elite players.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I mean it's probably seven of the ten are going
to be Eagles. Well, i'll give you Mahomes. I don't
know that I can give you Keffy. I don't know
that I can give you Kelsey as one of the
top ten players in this game.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
If you're going on like history, sure, but right now.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Is he Would you be shocked if Travis Kelsey won
MVP of the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I would be shocked. Yeah. I know Eagles have struggled
with tight end.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Zach Ertz just had eleven catches for Washington, so maybe
Kelsey goes.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Bonkers, But yeah, I would be shocked if he's Are
you betting that? Is that a prop bet?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You're getting off saying, well, I mean Goddard could win MVP.
I mean that both tight ends are great. He's really good.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah, all right. We'll go to the next story, and
that's the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
They introduced Pete Carroll earlier this week after moving off
Antonio Pierce. Max Crosby, who you remember pounded the table
for Antonio Pierce. You know, he he's excited about Pete
Carroll and he's very pumped about where the team Enfranchise
is headed.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's exciting.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I think the number one thing you look at is
just energy. You know, we talked about it a few
times on competition as well. You know, as a competitor,
as somebody who brings energy all the time and lives
off that and expects it from others. I love somebody
with that, with that type of mentality. So he's a winner.
He's done in his whole career.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The main things that he talked about is we're going
right now, like we're not wasting time. That's the one
thing he mentioned to me after his past conference. He
just we're going to get the same role.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
In Yeah, it's interesting when you look at their personnel.
They have both their tackle set and their center set,
so they found a right tackle in a center last
year in the draft. They have a weapon, a key weapon,
brought powers, they have their pass rusher, and I actually
think defensively they were all beat up last year. They're
pretty good. They've got some defensive guys. They played Kansas
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City very competitive.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
What's a divisional matchup?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I don't I don't think they're that. I think they're
a quarterback, a running back and another receiver away from
being a pain in the butt.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I think they're already a pain in the butt a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
But I mean we're talking about him quantum leap surpassing
the Chargers and.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
The Remember Chiefs in the regular season, don't blow blow
people out. Chargers didn't blow people out. They were a
low team, low wattage offenses. And the Broncos are still
to some degree in a rebuild.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
So who's finishing your guests?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Since you are willing to put the Patriots in the playoffs,
who's finishing in the basement in this division?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think they remember what I said this year about
the Vikings. I said the Vikings or the Bears, but
mostly the Vikings. If they finished fourth, will be the
best fourth place team ever. I could see the Raiders
winning eight games, but having beaten Denver, Kansas City, and
the Chargers each once, and it would be a high
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if they had a better quarterback this year. I mean,
they were in a lot of games and we're bad
at quarterback there.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I don't see eight wins.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Colin, Yeah, yeah, when I said last year Denver would
win nine, you know what, you scoff, You mocked me.
Now you look at me as your mentor stay clear
of my predictions.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
You can tell who's excited about a three day weekend.
All right, let's go to the final story.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And the Super Bowl Trophy is famously named after Packers
legend Vince Lombardi, who led the team to wins in
the first two NFL Super Bowls. Heading into Super Bowl
fifty nine on Fox, Belichick, Bill Belichick that is, believes
the trophy should be renamed after the goat Tom Brady.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Players win games. You can't win games without good players.
I don't care who the coach is. It's impossible. You
can't win without good players. And that's what coach Barcells
taught me is there's always a way to win. You
just got to figure out what it is and you
have to give the players a chance.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
They don't name it the Star Trophy. It's name little
Bardi Trophy.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Maybe it's a name it the Brady Trophy.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He wants seven of them. You know what? That that's
my favorite Parcells line ever. You ever watched the Belichick
parcels when they sat down, it's one of my favorite.
It's a thirty for thirty. It's just uncomfortable. But I
but they're both Obviosylcy legends. My favorite Parcels line ever
he's ever used. There's a way to win every game.
It's your job as a coach to figure it out
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you can win. I mean the Raiders are a block kicked.
Denver's a block kick with bownicks from beating the Chiefs
and Arrowhead's I think it was an Arrowhead. There's a
way to win every game. And I think Belichick, if
you're going to take anything from Parcells, that that is
the answer. There's a way to do it. I remember
talking to Sean Payton before the season starts and I'm like,
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man Harbaugh Mahalmes rookie quarterback. Sean's like, I feel good
about our chances. He goes, I like our team a lot,
and I'm thinking he's just Sees just texted me they
hate didn't think that, and they made the playoffs in
the AFC.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Well, this, this is an interesting comment from Belichick. I
mean it's a cop obviously, it's a combination of.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Players and coaches.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
But I'll tell you right now that Kansas City Chiefs
Bills ending with the cornerback blitz by McDuffie untouched. That's
all coaching. And listen, Spagnolo is a master Colin. You
know I coached my kids in youth sports, right, so
I couldn't make my son's basketball were undefeated.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Shocker.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I couldn't make the game.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
I was that my daughter's volleyball Chorge. My wife's texting
me we're losing. Yeah, I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
They don't have you there?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So I start saying, what's the strategy? And my wife's like,
they only have five players.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I was like, full.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Court press, tax tell the coach full court we saw
full court pressing.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
What happens? I'm in. I'm in, like an hour away.
We come back. We pulled within four. That's ultimately we lose.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
But I'm a believer coaching matters, Colin. It is huge
and instrumentals.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Like how you inserted yourself into a story about the
Lombardo I really appreciate it. I think the audience does too.
J Mack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Line Greg Cosell top of next hour, and uh, he's great.
And then we're gonna have Tom Brady next hour as well. Uh,
Peter Scheger stopping by. So this this is good news
for Chicago. So I know today is like I'm playing
the greatest hits because I'm going back to things that
I talk about a lot. But I saw this story
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and it matters. This is good news for Chicago Bears fans.
So Ben Johnson is the new coach, right and they're
talking about what free agent and this is not a
small thing. What free agent he's interested in? And do
you know who it is? Guard Trey Smith for the
Chiefs a guard. Sean McVeagh and the Rams spend money
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on guards. Eagles spend money on guards. Mike Tomlin gave
away Kevin Dotson was going to cut him. Guard McVeigh
took him. He was the highest rated guard in the
league his first year in LA. I think he was
rated second highest. Tomlin didn't know how to use him.
The secret sauce to these offensive coaches is not just
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improving quarterback play and adding layers to the playbook and sophistication.
Sean Payton goes to Denver. The offensive line is right
near the bottom of the league. Two years later. This year,
PFF ranked at second. Tomlin last seven years cannot figure
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out the Steelers old line. Belichick, when Dante Scarneki had retired,
legendary old line coach arguably be best. Ever every year
the old line got one. Kansas City signed guard Joe Toney,
remember that from New England. Everybody's like, whoa, that is
a lot for a guard. That dude is the most
underrated offensive lineman in the league. They move him out
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to left tackle and he's good. McVeigh Philadelphia offensive coaches,
Kansas City. This is the secret sauce to offensive coaches,
and so Ben Johnson is like, you know, really interesting
to me is a Trey Smith a six round pick.
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And remember, if you look at Kansas City, they've had
flaws during this They've been rebooting their receiving corps. Kelsey's
getting old. Remember the year they got Creed Humphrey in
the second round from Oklahoma and Trey Smith in the
sixth round I think from Tennessee bo Stars. Then they
add Joe Toney or maybe Tooney was already there, I
forge I think Tony came in later, whatever it was.
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Those are three of the best. One of them's the
hottest free agent on the offense. So money invested on
the offensive line last year The highest were the Rams,
Chiefs and Colts, and the lowest with the Seahawks. Bears
and Bucks and the Seahawks. Bears and Bucks all had
defensive coaches. Rams Chiefs and Colts all had offensive coaches.
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Do you think that's a coincidence. I do not, so
I'm just here to tell you when Ben Johnson says
our number one priority and this, nobody cares about this.
It doesn't make headlines. It's not sexy. He's like, I
want to guard from Kansas City. That is a great
sign because these defensive coaches, and they're good, they don't
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get it. I've been saying on this for three years.
Go look at the end of the year to the
highest rated O lines and who spends money on O lines.
It's the offensive coaches Pittsburgh seven years now. They can't
figure it out. They keep drafting it. They can't figure
it out. Ben Johnson hasn't coached the game. Get me
the guard from Kansas City.
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Speaker 1 (32:18):
So suddenly, uh, And it's weird how it works when
a team gets really really good at dynasty beginning, middle
or end, Suddenly everybody that can't beat them always blames
the officials. Gotta have something right, can't blame your team.
So Travis Kelcey, in a podcast with his brother Jason, admitted,
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and this stems mostly from the calls that's perceived. They
go Kansasity's way. They are the villain in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I love it.
Speaker 9 (32:50):
At one point, at one point in time, you know,
it wasn't that and you.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Were the sener. You guys were the dollars in the NFL.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
I was the do you feel bad for him? Guys,
and you're not the heel. I'm I'm just I'm enjoying.
I'm enjoying doing this with the guys together, the guys
that we have in there, because it's it's like it
just makes us even more of a family.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So let's take a walk down memory lane of all
these dynasties beginning, middle and end. Let's go to the
Patriots dynasty. How did it begin? Oh, the tuck rule,
a highly controversial play. They went on to win that game. Hmm,
it wasn't the last play of the game, but it
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helped them win. Controversial call. How about the greatest team
ever in the NBA the NBA called the Jordan Rules.
They changed the rules to help Michael Right. No more
tackling the Jordan rules. There's a term for it. How
about the Lakers dynasty, Shaq and Kobe. It's almost as
if in that Game six, people forget that in Game
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seven the Kings couldn't hit the broadside of a boat.
But in Game six, those Lakers got some dubious calls,
favver bol calls. That's the only reason they won the series.
They actually played a Game seven. And about how about
the Derek Jeter and the Yankees Game one ALCS Baltimore.
Remember that Jeffrey Mayer h the league wants them to win.
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Here's the funny thing. All these sports, all these great players,
like the leagues, all of them were in cahoots. You know,
the truth is your team gets breaks too, But after
you get the tuck rule, you miss the kick or
have to punt because you don't have Tom Brady, or
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after you get that favorable call like Sacramento didn't in
Game six. Sacramento was awful in Game seven, and the
Lakers weren't. Your batter strikes out even after the umpire,
you know it's Rigg gives your team that man at
second base, he was out on the tag. If the
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Yankees had somebody who drove him home and Brady got
a first down and the kicker made the kick in
a snowstorm, and the Lakers were the better team in
Game seven. Everybody in life gets breaks. Smarter people, focus people,
ascending people, more driven people, more aspirational people, more prepared
people take advantage of the breaks. Do you really believe
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in Buffalo that spot with thirteen minutes left the side
of the game. Did you watch the first series where
Josh Allen almost threw two picks, punted, gave it to
Kansas City, march down the field and scored at home,
taking a seven to nothing lead in the playoff game
when you're also getting the second half kickoff means you'll
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win it sixty five percent of the time. But go ahead,
blame the refs. There were thirteen minutes left in that game.
Go to Jeters, Yankees. The Jordan rules, the Sacramento Laker
Game six, the tuck rule. Your team gets the same breaks.
They can't cap it off right, Like even our parents,
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if they pass away and they have a will, they
give executor of the will to the one kid they
trust the one adult. Doesn't mean they love them more,
but they trust them more. They're more organized, less frivolous,
more focused. And that's the reality of all these dynasties. Yes,
they have been given breaks on calls. I remember when
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Brady beat Kansas City in Arrowhead. There was a call
in that game defod ah. Remember that. I think he
was off sides by a centimeter. They got the call,
But what did they do with the advantage of the call.
Everybody's getting breaks in life, everybody's getting calls. The dynasties
have better players, better coaches, better manage, more focus, more aspirational.
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They do something with the break. Thirteen minutes ago, you're
blaming a spot. Did you watch your last drive? Did
you watch Kansas City when they had to get a
first down to kill the clock or expand the clock
and in the game and they had the special play
samaj ap Rye. How come you didn't have that play?
How come you didn't have that kind of play because
Kansas City did. So. I hear this all the time,
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Greg co cell Top of the Hour. There's always an
excuse for it. I heard it with the Yankees, the Patriots,
the Chiefs, Shaq and Kobe. People always forget that Sacramento series.
They forget there was another game. Apparently people just didn't
didn't pay attention to the or in Buffalo, Kansas City,
there's thirteen minutes left. Each team's getting the ball at
least once, probably twice. There's thirteen minutes left after the call.
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Make something of it. You forget if you're really I
owe it. This is my rule. Whenever fans in the
NBA blame the refs for losing the game, I always
ask the same question, how many turnovers did you have
and how many free throws did you miss? And if
it adds up to twenty, I'm like, you gave the
ball away twenty times and you missed and you had
(37:55):
free throw twenty times twenty potential. So think about in
the NBA, with a three point shot, a turnover could
be a minus three. If you have ten turnovers, that
could be thirty points potentially. Right Like, if you're hitting
threes if you're hot, it wouldn't be because nobody go
ten for ten. But like a turnover in the NBA
is potentially giving up three points. So that's why I
(38:17):
don't watch games with fans. The officials are out to
get us. Now they're not really, they're not really. Kansasity's
just better in these big moments, and Philadelphia's got a
better roster. By the way, I was looking at dynasties
this morning and I went back the last thirty years. Jmac,
just guess the number. Don't put it on the screen,
(38:38):
just pros, not college sports. Last thirty years, how many
dynasties have we had? Baseball, football, professional.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Mess And can you define dynasty one more time for me?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
You know it when you hear it. That's like the
Supreme Court said about adult content. You know it when
you see it. I'll go four, almost double that eight.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Well, now let me hear them, because there may be two.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'll go to the top of the hour. But it's interesting.
Your initial thought is there haven't been that many, And
my take on dynasties is we're having more and more.
I'm not even counting college Tennessee Women's Yukon women's I'm
not counting Alabama football. I'm not even counting Georgia football.
I'm not even counting that. I'm not counting Serena Williams
(39:27):
team sports, right, Tiger, I'm not counting that in virtually
every sport, not name hockey. Okay, now, they had the
Montreal Canadians back in the late sixties, I think seventies.
Every sport's filled with dynasties because people aren't even this idea.
The leagues are trying. It's like sports is largely outside
of baseball socialism. They want socialism that's right, like baseball's not.
(39:50):
And you have a huge gap, right, and like Pittsburgh
can't compete with the Dodgers, we know that they could
be more competitive. Well, the Dodgers are going to drive
more game day revenue.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
They have it.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
We all know that. So take baseball out. But the
leagues are trying to even this stuff out. It doesn't
matter if it's women's tennis, it doesn't matter if it's
college football, women's college basketball. There's dynasties and everything because
people aren't even You cannot legislate even. You can legislate fair,
you can have rules that are fair, you can't legislate
even everything's a dynasty. Look at tech, there's five companies
(40:24):
in the world that run everything. You know Meta, Navidia,
you know Google. There's like five companies that run basically
the Dow Jones. I mean, if you if you look
at our country, five companies the last decade have basically
run it. Our stock market, it's five to six companies.
There is no parody I do.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Can I quibble with a word? You said the Chicago
Bulls are the best dynasty in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Maybe that's true.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Just I'm sorry, it's it's the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
With Kde and Steph most dominant postseason run ever, they
wiped the floor with everybody, nearly went sixteen or zero, if.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Not for a historic Cabs for it was the best
skinny jeans team of all time.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Charles Barkley over there in disguise, you.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Take Draymond Green out. It was a finesse team.
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