January 31, 2025 • 42 mins
Today on The Herd, Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox react to the accusations against Ravens Kicker Justin Tucker. Why didn’t Tom Brady and the Raiders pursue Bill Belichick over Pete Carroll? Plus, Super Bowl prep and tough decisions in Cincy
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Oh that's right, it's a Herd here Fox Sports Radio.
No Colin Cowherd. Instead, it's two pros and a cup
of Joe myself, Jonas Knox alongside LeVar Arrington and Brady Quinn,
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As we are a little over a week away from
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Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans, we're gonna be
there next week. Is this the proverbial calm before the storm?
Or we had the point to where we're just kind
of we've run through the yah, the gauntlet of topics
to get ready for this one game.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
How we feel it's the calm before LeVar it gets
to New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
That's what it is. That's right.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
We have to be very careful about calm before storms
while speaking on referencing New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So you know it's a little too soon, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
You know, Yeah, that's fair is fair. It's gotta be
careful with storms and all that. Yeah, but LeVar is
going to show up and he will touch down on
a slur ricane.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
There we go. Yeah, I'm gonna jump on her Riccaine.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
No why, I love how you just told us we
need to temper it down and then you just made
a song out of it that was black.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I can do it. I can get away with it
on that note. I'm a black man. You know. It's
easy to leverage it these days. So I'm gonna go ahead,
and you're going to lean into it. I'm gonna lean
all the way into it, all right. I'm just trying
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to figure out how we early.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
If you weren't stimulated, I got to if your ears
weren't parked up, they perked up.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Now, who put together this rundown? I did not got
to talk about this subject to start off the show.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I did not. I will not be held accountable for this.
Ryan that was what do you mean that's lead to lab?
That's lead to lab special? Ryan Music had nothing to do.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
There was an email by the way, you know, so
I'm blind you got the e mail.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I have the e mail.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I mean, I expect me to be in up to
date on all this technology and be into the Google
or the Docs and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
We bring in Ryan for this and ask them if
isn't that hard to log into a Google Docs.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
I've seen the challenges that can come up with Google Docs.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So you know what you know?
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Lead to lap who is your fantastic producer for your guys'
regular show through the regular time slot. He's he's going
through a lot right now. I don't know if you
guys know this. I'm gonna peel back the curtain. Lead
to that may be homeless right now. So the guy's
going through a lot. Cut him some slack. There's just
expand the time of transition. If you have to expand
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on that.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
What do you mean?
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Yeah, I got a notification after my you know, afternoon
nap yesterday that our place was being rented out for
the month. So I had a few hours to get
ready to pack up the entire place.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Google Docs at the bottom of his priority list right now.
So we're just have some grace, have some grace.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You're trying to rent you were trying to rent it out.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I have rented someone set the stage, please, so I
set the stage for this?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Oh god? So yeah, my my my place is now.
I don't have anywhere to go after the show.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
I'll just be here until we go to New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I can't wait to go. You have this is a
new audience.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
You have to explain in thirty seconds how you got
to being homeless right now?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Is this real?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
This is real? Joy? I'm done? Like fine? Do you
not keep up what your boys feeling? Du You didn't
tell me. I didn't know anything.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
You guys didn't pick up that there was nothing done
on the Google doc until about thirty minutes before the show.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Today, it still looks like there's nothing done. Let me
let me fill everyone quickly. Okay, Lee is in. Let's
just call it a relationship. Although a relationship, Purga, go ahead, Yeah,
pretty volatile at best. And he happens to share a
place with this loved one, and they, I guess, are
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trying to sell it. They fixed it up, trying to
sell it to leave and she's gone for what two weeksly?
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Yeah, I actually just dropped her off at lax on
the way here.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
She actually flew back in to help me get the
place ready late.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Okay, so hold on, I'll update this because the last
we heard, you were trying to sell it, not trying
to rent it.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
This changes to get away by the Yeah, it's just
not just to sell it. To sell it. You are
selling it, so y'all could get away from one. Let's
be clear on this. You could get away from her.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Yeah, yes, yes it is. It is listed. Well, now
it's not. Now we've taken it off listening to We
canceled all our open houses this weekend. Why sadly, cousins,
because I rented it out for the month.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You're renting it for only a month.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yes, but if you can sell it while you're renting it, Lee,
like you put them in a homeless situation. Let the
renters go find another place to rent, Lee, there's another
reason why you took it off the listing to sell it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Tell the truth.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
Well, the realtors wanted to take it off. It doesn't
look good that it's just sitting there without an open
house and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It's not Well, maybe it's the lounge chair in the
kitchen that was kind of or the bedroom by the way, and.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, the gun holes, the gunshots in the bedfroom, we
got a fan or the revolver hanging from the ceiling.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Maybe they just don't want to sell the home because
maybe they're trying to figure out if their love has
That's just speak clearly here and I think you're onto this.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yes, so now there's a family of sleeping in my kitchen?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yes, all right, well who's the family of Jonas?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
At least? Sorry about the pickup truck and yard break?
Do you say Jose's landscape? Uh so? Why I had
no idea, So that.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
We really try hard not to get asked to be
back on the herd.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
That that might explain why the topic says, let's start
off with Justin Tucker, which I'm not really sure why
why somebody put put both Why did somebody put two
g's in the middle of his last name? I don't
get it. Who's who's the class act here on that
on this show? So from LEAs situation, which nobody really
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knew about until until just moments ago, to the situation
involving Justin Tucker, who you know, apparently to the school
with Deshahn Watson. I listen, I don't want to make
those jokes here, all right, like that's it's yeah, Well,
I think I think it's due soon and we're not.
You know, there's there's a lot of people out there
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that that are high up in the NFL, like Robert Kraft,
who don't want to see the league tarnish like this.
So I just I think it's Bobby or Yeah, I
just think it's fair that we that we represent this
in the proper manner. I'm sorry, let's go from the
Baltimore Banner. Justin Tucker had a little bit of an
issue at some massage parlors. Between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen,
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at least six different massage therapists accused him of inappropriate
sexual behavior. The details are gross. I mean you could
look that up. You know, some things left behind that
probably shouldn't have been any who possibly and uh multiple
spas immediately terminated him as a client. Tucker has denied this.
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The NFL is investigating, and it just begs the question,
you know, maybe this might have been what why he
was struggling this year. Maybe there was some stuff that
was about to come out and he was having a
little bit of an issue focusing.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So there's wrong wrong with guys, man, I can't they
just like be a pro on and off the field,
Like what is I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I really don't. It's not that complicated. It's not that hard. Well,
I guess in this case it probably was.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, yeah, very It's something about the AFC north man
seems like.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh, that's what you're gonna go with. I'm just saying, like,
it's it seems to be.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
There's a different AFC in there though with Bobby Orchids,
So there is a little bit sprinkled in from a
different AFC. But it does seem But aren't they the
most northern AFC team ors Buffalo more further north? It
doesn't even really matter, right, I mean, that's a New
England state, Like it's a New England place.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It's very far north.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
You know, Cleveland north, well Midwest Dang, Now Baltimore, Baltimore's
what is Baltimore? That's not north north?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Is it? That's like the lowest AFC nor it's north
for the NFL standards, It's there, you go. I mean, hey, tomato, Tomato.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
The bottom line here is is that, uh, something incorrect
is taking place. I'm curious as to now now it
crosses racial barriers for certain not just because they're not
there's power. You could say, you know robber Craft, you know,
with his situation at Orchards of Asia, like okay, whatever,
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he's an owner, like he's not going to get fired
or you know, I don't know, you know, he'll.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Deal with what he deals with.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
But now you have two players that have gone through
the same exact situation.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
What it's just like you just bree over, like you
were you were thinking black and white. I was just
thinking weird though. I don't know, glad it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I'm glad it doesn't just settled down, and I'm glad
it's situated itself in a weirdo category, you know what
I mean. Like it's just it's so simple sometimes so
easy to fall into just kind of maybe you know,
stereotyping or you know, drawing a quick conclusion. And for
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what it's worth, I've always said, kickers are people too,
and you know what, now Justin Tucker has taken that,
uh that definition to a whole nother level. Like he
didn't want to just be seen as a player, like
you're a person too, on the football team. He wanted
to be looked at as like, you know, like the quarterback,
like this is one of the main positions, and I'll
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show you we get to say type of action that
that the quarterbacks get.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Man. And I think this was the wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Way to go about proving that to the people and
to the culture, to to the fans. But nonetheless he did.
So here we are and we're talking about it. Yeah,
that's yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Not great. Bright are your thoughts in this whole situation
involving Justin Tucker, And it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean, hopefully things will you know, be better on
the up and up. I mean, that's all you can
really say. I mean, I just you hope that all
the things that have been put out there aren't true.
But it's hard when there's this much smoke. I mean,
that was It was the same thing with even in
Deshaun Watson's case. As much as you you know, looked
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at the allegations and you're saying, okay, in this country
it's it's innocent until proven guilty. What came to my
mind was, you know, you had thirty some allegations and
then you had like thirty some that came out in
his defense, and my first question was, why the.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Hell do you have six massage therapists? Like thirty four?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
You thirty against you? I mean, the whole thing was ridiculous. Well,
you're here in one city. All you needed at that
point in time was one maybe two, right, like you
don't need sixty or however, massage therapists in this case,
when you look at the details, it's alarming because you're saying, well,
why why did he have some massage therapists just in Baltimore. Now,
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he's been there forever and he's been extremely successful, and
maybe you know when to change things whatever. I'm sure
there's some sort of rationale or something to this, but
I just it's hard to buy into it that he's
completely innocent. And I know I'm going against what I
just said a moment ago, but again, it just it's
hard when there's this much smoke not to think that
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there's something more there.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
How many allegations are against Tucker. He's kicked out of
at least six massage therapists. He was kicked out of
a bunch of different spas in the Baltimore area. All right, bunch, what.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Type of spalls were they do we know the type
of where they lights spalls, where they like where they
upscale spalls.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
You like, if they had a water table that was
like the telling signs that you said?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Is that what you said, LeVar?
Speaker 5 (13:10):
I don't recall that, but if Q said it, then
I probably mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Huh, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Yeah, I just I've always known that if if it
had like this is what I learned when I was
early in the league, and I won't I'll leave some
of my teammates nameless. But they always said look for
the red open signe that's the massage parlor. He he them.
They enjoyed going to where the massage parlors spall spalls.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
So you're saying, like on ten PM on a Tuesday night,
that red sign should not say open, is what you're saying.
It probably shouldn't say open. That's so reckless. There's my
favorite Indian food place back home. They have a red
open sign.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That's a restaurant. That's a restaurant.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
And even to that point, there might be al soda machine,
there might be a like a door off to the side,
and that's connected to that open side.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
You pull a candle down by the fireplace and then
open you walk right in.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I'll try that speak easies like that, and they got
rub easies like that.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'm just saying, all right, you know, hey listen, ye
look red open sides.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Hey, people out there, I'm putting you up on a
little game if you If you see a massage parlor
and it's in a city and you just happen to
be walking back, like you said, it's like nine, you know,
ten o'clock and it says open, chances are that's, uh,
that's the massage parlor that these guys you know.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
We're going to. I'll just say, is this, uh, somebody
who listens to our show in the morning from six
to nine Eastern time. I was pretty connected in the
Baltimore area. He sent me a message before this stuff
came out, and he says it's legit. So if that's
a legit, well, you know, apparently there's also some tweets
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that have been well, no, there's some tweets that were
sent out a few years back that kind of indicated
something was going on that everybody in the area kind
of knew. It wasn't a very well kept secret that
Justin Tucker had, you know, some issues with this and
had been kicked out of several places.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
So I mean that is that gives a new meaning
to his name. Now, doesn't it just a Tucker? Like
I mean, he's.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Definitely It's here's my question though, from an NFL standpoint,
how does the league handle this? Like?
Speaker 5 (15:49):
They got to sit him down? Yeah, I mean, you
got to shut him down and depending on you know,
they'll leave it up to and I know Ces the
the legal guy here, but sure, I'll just say this.
I mean, I have no idea why. I don't either,
but you're good at it. You sound like you know it,
so I defer. But I'll just say, Deshaun Watson set
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the tone for what I mean, maybe Bobby Orchids did,
Robert Robert Kraft set the tone, but DeShawn did it.
For players and whatever it is that that has come
out and has popped up, they have to they have
to get Justin Tucker out of the way. He can't
be like he's a kicker. It's not like he I mean,
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but he's a he's a high profile kicker, but he
can't be on the field. First things first, no matter
if he you know, the whole innocent until proven guilty,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
He can't be active right now. That's first things first,
it's like he can't be active.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I would assume that would be the first step que
that would be taken as just making sure people know
that they're investigating it, they're aware of it, and until
further notice of what's going on, until we find out
more about what's going going on. You know, justin Tucker
is probably to just stay away and stay wherever he's
going to be, but not be at the facility or
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a part of anything that's Ravens related.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I would assume this is a classic case of why
the Commissioner's Exempt list was created, because you're able to
determine what the facts are and figure this out now
that there's a couple of different things that play here, right,
I don't know if the lawsuits civil in nature or
if it's criminal in nature from this report, because that
makes a big difference. Right, If it's criminal, obviously the
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burden of proof to prove what he did was wrong
is much greater. However, you know, in regards to the
player of conduct policy, both still play a factor. But
if it's a criminal conviction, if that happens down the road.
You think that not only is the evidence bore damning
that not only are they're going to know from a
legal standpoint, but also the NFL is going to be
able to find out the suspension would be just disputative,
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meaning Watson's was I believe eleven games which not to
get off on a t engine hair. I am curious
to know because of how everything transpired with the trade,
and he goes to Cleveland, if they weren't playing Houston
in that week twelve game back in twenty twenty two
in December, if it would have been longer, and if
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it would have been you know, any anymore. You know, again,
putative only because I think the NFL. NFL is kind
of selling that. They might not want to admit that,
but selling every part of that. The fact that he's
in Cleveland, he's making his return to Houston. Yeah, like
that's that's something's gonna make people want to tune in
a row.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Because it is kind of a random number to throw
out on a suspension, you know, like two games, four games,
it has eleven. It's like, you know, come oster.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well, I can't recall if there was any tweaking to
that number. If he had appealed it and they had
reduced it, which I can't again imagine and I don't
remember that being the case. So the eleven number was
just kind of odd. Typically they like even numbers. If
you guys recall back during the Ray Rice situation, it
kind of became almost common that if there was a
domestic violin, they should be six games. That was the
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minimum that players were going forever or so. So in
this case, it really comes down to I think what
the the NFL or is able to gather. But I
think you will have an idea of that based on
I haven't looked to see if it's criminal or civil,
but that that'll give you a sense. If it's civil. Again,
burden proof is a lot harder to be able to award.
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You know, in this case, the point is what they're
looking to get, and.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
You will be a little bit lenient, more lenient if
you're the league, right if it's civil. If it's so,
here's the thing that might hit a little different, correct.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Well, I mean, I don't know how deeply are to
go in this right now, but I don't think that
matters as much. I think what you know, what they're
going to have as far as what they can prove
from an evidence standpoint. Is why I'm bringing this up
because if you have a really big slam dunk case,
and you'll probably try both it be criminal and civil.
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Right if you don't have quite as much evidence, you
probably would want to go to the civil route because
that's the only way you're going to probably be able
to feel like, you know, your plaintiff is going to
be able to get any sort of fulfillment of that verdict,
right like, you'd hate to see them losing that case.
A lot of people are just gonna say, well, maybe
it's a money grab, maybe they just want to settle,
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and this stuff was going on, so they just want
to you know, paydate, whatever the case is. But all
those things are still out there in both cases. But
typically when you see someone try a criminal case first,
it's because they've got more damning evidence. They want that
person to pay and for their freedom to be impacted.
So I would say it doesn't matter if it's criminal
or civil in this case, it really comes down to,
you know, what evidence is out there to prove one
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way or another, and then what the NFL is able
to ascertain from all of that, and if they can
if they can build enough of a case to sit
there and say we feel like this is heinous and
just as bad as Deshaun Watson, then yeah, you'd have
to say eleven games would be at least what we've
seen so far. The interesting thing is that I thought
that Deshaun Watson case would be a unicle like, we
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never see that again in the NFL, And now we're here,
what two years, two and a half years later, dealing
with the heading of the twenty twenty five season again.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It is the Herd Here on Fox Sports Radio. It's
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Coward's here today on this Friday. Coming up next here though,
we're going to tell you how apparently somebody in the
NFL a legend not thrilled with a move that another
organization has made. We've got the details right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
It's a Herd Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox with you coming up here in a little
over fifteen minutes from now, in another edition of the
Herdline News with Ryan Music, we are going to hear
from the Goat talking about his preparation as we get
set for the biggest game of the year. That'll be
yours here on FSR. Speaking of the Goat, a lot
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of people would argue that that would be Bill Belichick,
who's currently the head coach for the North Carolina tar Heels.
According to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, apparently, Bill
Belichick was not all that thrilled with the raiders hiring
of Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I guess you can understand why, right, Yeah, I like,
this is what I feel like. It was not my
instant reaction, you know, because I think when Bill Belichick
signed with North Carolina, I kind of thought, Okay, he
wants to go that route. Maybe it's more about setting
up his son, Steve Belichick to become the head coach
in waiting or eventually be able to take over as
a head coach and get his foot in the door.
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And so I thought that was more of his prerogative.
But then when you really peel back the curtains, when
you see the Raiders hire Pete Carroll who's a year old,
and obviously Tom Brady having played a role in the
interview process, and the fact that I don't know, even
if he did reach out to Bill Belichick, he wouldn't
push and do everything he could to get Bill Belichick
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there as the head coach. I mean, it's a small
ten million dollars is not much for a buyout. So
the fact that the Las Vegas Raiders would opt for
Pete Carroll again who's a year older, obviously successful, you.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Know, has won a Super Bowl, been to Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
It's it's not so much that in my mind, it's
just like, if you're going to hire someone at that
age to set up the foundation of your organization for
the future and for whoever that next coach is that
you know, head coach in waiting is, wouldn't you think
you'd go with the guy that you won six Super
Bowls with?
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I'll just say this, I think both of them have
been reported as control freaks, you know, by the media.
Like I think there was one point in time where
they said there was no one for Pete Carroll to
have to answer to in the Seahawks organization. He pretty much,
you know, ran the team the way that he wanted
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to run the team. Bill Belichick probably had more resistance
in that category, having to probably deal with Robert Kraft.
I think, entering into the scenario though, if there was
one person out of the two that maybe made people
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feel more comfortable. And I know this could be overstated,
but I'll just find it to be some accuracy to it,
maybe some validity connected to it. It still remains that
the reputation of Bill Belichick is very very intimidating to people.
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And now now I look at it and I'm like, Okay, well,
tom Brady played for him, and Tom Brady is familiar
with who Bill Belichick is as the coach, as the administrator,
as the authoritarian, as you know, as the person. But
with that being said, you're one person. And one thing
(24:59):
that we got to take in consideration with Tom Brady
stepping into this situation of ownership with this organization and
taking on personnel duties, taking on team duties, is that
there's relationships that have to play a part in what
Tom Brady is doing. If you bring in somebody and
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it just happens to go down the lane of o s.
He is the guy that we thought he was coming in. Oh,
he is difficult to deal with. Oh, this isn't a
very comfortable situation. And while it may be what this
organization needs, if it's one thing I learned being in the.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
League that's not always readily.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Welcomed, it's not always easy to change the status quo,
to change comfort levels. And maybe both of them will
come in and do that. Maybe that's what they bring
to the table with their knowledge of the game being
around it, as long as they haven't had the success
they've had, but the level of success that Bill Belichick had,
(26:06):
I would I just gotta think it has to be
his way to a very large degree if you're going
to get or want or expect the type of results
that he was able to get, which, by the way,
I don't even think it's realistic to think that Bill
Belichick could recreate that or any other coach. I don't
(26:27):
think any other coach can recreate that either.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Like, do we know did he get any official interview
this hiring cycle? We know he got the Falcons last year,
but like any hiring any interview this hiring cycle from anybody,
because I don't think he did, Like I just think
it was well, maybe he's a possibility. Maybe there's some
speculation that Belichick would be interested here, maybe there were.
Look I don't like there was no ever official interview,
(26:50):
know nothing, And to me, that says more about those
organizations than it does him. Like, and we've talked about
it on our show before, Like if that guy walks
into to a room, you listen, like I don't. I
don't stand over my mechanic's shoulder and go no, no,
you do that? You do this over here? Somebody put that, No,
they know what they're doing. I don't. He knows what
(27:11):
the hell he's doing. Like, look at his track record.
It's not like he just wanted New England. He had
success in Cleveland, he had successes a DC with the Giants,
like he's been in the league for decades.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
The idea that to make you expendable. Who wants to
be expendable.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I've seen it happen, and then then that's seen it happened,
and that's then that's our organization. When Marty, yes, that's reliless,
that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
They fired Marty after one year because of what we're
talking about. It was intimidating. It was football people stick
to football things. Administrator, sales stick to sales. Go figure, right,
this is very very like sensible. You know, media stick
to media. You know, cooks stick to cooks, trainers stick
(27:58):
to training. But they did not. That was not received
well by ownership in Washington, and he was gone after
a year.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Who was the owner that it was a little danny.
It was a little danny. O. Yeah, it was a
little danny that.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I think I had a lot to do with it too,
I Bill Mark, Well, I don't know that. Here's the
reality is we all think that whatever fracture breakup Tom
Brady and Bill Belichick had, we watched the roast, and
I think some of what, well, that's what we think.
(28:33):
I mean, obviously Bill Belichick attends. What we actually took
from the roast was that, hey, maybe there are some
jokes that cut a little deeper than Tom Brady had anticipated.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That was more of the takeaway from it. And it
seemed like there.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Was a bit of an awkwardness too with Bill Belichick
and Robert Kraft and Tom Brady Robert Kraft and that
whole triangle. But what we didn't take away from it
is like, well, how patched up is this relationship? I mean,
how much does Tom Brady look at Bill Belichick and say, Yeah,
this is the guy that if I had the chance
as an owner, I'd want to bring in to get
(29:09):
my organization run the right way.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Because he had the chance.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Can I ask you this, based off of what you're saying,
why would Tom Brady want to be lumped into what
became the ultimate narrative of the Patriots? Who was the reason?
Was it Robert Kraft? Was it Bill Belichick? Was it
Tom Brady? Was it Tom Brady and Bill Belichick? Was
it Tom Brady and Robert Grat Was it Robert Craft
and Bill Belichick?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Who was it?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
If I'm Tom Brady, why would I even invite that
into the door, Because the minute Bill Belichick comes.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
In there, what are you going to say?
Speaker 6 (29:43):
What is? It?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Ends up shaking out to be well? To me?
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Tom Brady already proved that it's Tom Brady. I mean
went to Tampa won his first year away. I mean
literally with the greatest you could say hurdles of any
quarterback they've had to deal with because of COVID. I mean,
you went through a season where you couldn't practice with
your teammates. Remember he was knocking on people's doors, the
wrong doors of the playbook. He got kicked out of
(30:06):
a public park for trying to try to practice with
his teammates, but here you had at least amount of time.
So in that one year's time, he's able to prove
that not only can he win a Super Bowl, he
made it back even at that age. And then you
watch things continually fall apart in New England. So I
think he's already stated that case. And even if he
brought in Bill Belichick to be the head coach, tom
(30:27):
Brady's not playing anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
He's just the owner or a limited courts challenge.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
I would challenge that by saying, because again a lot
of people looked at Tom Brady, including put me in
put me in that group. Tom Brady was not the
player in the pros that he was in college. Damn
just wasn't. No, he wasn't. That's not it. That's not
a knock. Tom was was good in college, could play
some ball, but he was not the animal that he
(30:52):
was in the league that he was in college. So
I think people would push back and say, sure was
Tom Brady that went to Tampa Bay and did what
he did and accomplished what he accomplished, but he had
to learn that from somebody. He had to learn it
from somewhere, and all those years together, that standard, that accountability.
(31:13):
You know, they make mention of the fact that how
Belichick treated Brady so that he could set a tone
with the rest of the players in the locker room,
so he would go at him the same exact way
he would go at any other player. There was a
development that had to take place a Tom Brady to
become the player, and a lot of it's personal, one
hundred percent, but there still could be the idea that
(31:36):
without Bill Belichick, and I think a lot of people
subscribe to that. Without Belichick, Bill Belichick, tom Brady does
not become the Tom Brady that he is today. Why
would I want to deal with that debate. I don't
want to deal with that debate. If I'm Tom Brady,
I dealt with that already.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
And even if I don't.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Know how that happened, I just don't know anymore. That
could create confusion within the organism if you ask.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Me, because all checks the head coach. I mean, it's
not like there's like again, that debate's not there anymore.
They're not a player coach.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yeah, it's an owner coach. And now you're talking about
philosophies of how you're going to draft, how the organization
is ran.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
There's a lot of different.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I would say this, Do you think that Tom Brady,
who's a byproduct of all that time and all those
years in New England, isn't going to run that very
similar to everything he did?
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Again, I think sometimes sometimes the thing that you learned
the best, the person you learned the best from you
you sometimes you outgrow that person that sometimes.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
But again, what else does he know?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Is gonna say Bruce Arians and the Glazer family and
the way but the Bucks ran things during three years there.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
All I'm saying is is that what takes place between
them is what takes place between them, and they probably
have a firm way of dealing with how one another
treats the other, how one another is. But I don't
necessarily think that that would be the collective feeling of
everybody in that building. And while Tom Brady may not
(33:12):
look at it that way, I just do not think
that with the personality that Bill Belichick showed being in
New England, if he's going to be the guy that
comes in and builds that program the way that he
built it to win where he was at before or
where he's going to do it now, you have to
be in a place where you're able to be who
(33:33):
you are. And I just again, Atlanta serves as a
great example. It serves as a great example. Now you
throw in Tom Brady to the equation, I think it
ups the stakes. There's no way. It just just up
the stakes.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I just I don't really understand like the correlation where
you're going.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I think the correlation is you're looking out a situation
where can Tom Brady be the decision maker that he
needs to be?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Is the decision maker he's.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
He's he's a limited partner, Mark Davis is leaning on
he's probably the future majority owner.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
There's no disputing that. It doesn't matter if Bill Belichick's
the head coach or not.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah, but it doesn't mean that Bill Belichick has to
subscribe to that.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
But there he get interviewed. It doesn't matter. This is
all like hypothetical, Like, well, that's the whole conversation. Hypothetical conversation.
That's that's what this is. What else is it? What's
a hypothetical conversation?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
They we're not talking to hypotheticals. We're talking with legitimacy.
Well you might be, but if you finished for a second,
like they decided to go with Pete Carroll instead of
Bill Belichick. So we're not talking about hypothetical. We're talking
about that decision that was made.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Was made.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Okay, I'm giving you if you're saying that you think
that it's because of somehow his legacy as a player
and coach would factor into that, Like, I just I
don't get how.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
That's still legacy. I think his reputation, I think.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Okay, okay, the news reputation, how his reputation would factor
in being that they were a player coach.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I just don't really see how that matches up. I mean,
he went up against you don't have to see.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
I'm giving you the reasoning that I see. You don't
have to see it. I'm just giving you the reason
that I see. But basically, let's.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Let's let's say Jonas hasn't got in on it. I mean,
let's let Jonas talk.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Jonas asked the question, I mean, I believe that this
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Oh Yes, Jonas Knox, Brady, Quinn LaVar Arrington.
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Good morning, guys, let's get things started here.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
The Chiefs getting ready for their fifth Super Bowl appearance
in six years, so familiar territory for them, much like
what we saw for the Patriots for about two decades
or so. Well, yesterday on the Herd, call and talk
to the Tom Brady about utilizing extra time to prepare
for the Super Bowl, and well he shared this, I
like the extra.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
Time a lot because it gave me extra time to
do all the prep that I needed to do. One
of my best kind of memories from the Super Bowl
twenty fourteen. We're playing the Legion of Boom. It's Friday
night before the Super Bowl. We've, of course, had like
eleven or twelve days to prepare, and it's probably like
nine o'clock and I wasn't feeling great about the red
area package we had. And I went in and Josh
(38:12):
McDaniels is in the staff room and I said, hey,
we got to go through the red area. I said,
it's just too hard down there. They played too much zone.
So we install three plays on Friday night, after two
weeks of preparation, all the practice is done and one
of the touchdowns is to Jojo Lafel, the first one
of the game, and the second one is to Danny A.
(38:32):
Mondola later in that game, And we hadn't practiced them
at all for eleven days, and it was just I
like to use every minute of prep going up into
those games because they're the hardest ones to win.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
So there you go, putting in new plays just days
before the Super Bowl without any practice.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Sounds like me getting ready for a show. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's about it's about how yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Now, it feels like in circumstances like that, you tend
to lean towards Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes with extra time
to prepare or now.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Probably I think his record coming out buys would would
would showcase that a bit. But but the one thing
I just say about the NFL is there are times
where guys are drawing up plays in the sidelines, making
adjustments on things that you talked about in training camp
nine weeks ago. Sure, So as impressive as that is,
you know, you're still talking about adjustments that are made
in real time, and maybe stuff that wasn't practiced at all,
(39:24):
or at least hadn't been for months, even though they'd
been playing, so that's not that uncommon. I'm more impressed
with his recall and talking about that moment.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
I agree it sounds a little over embellish, but you
know I'm a former player.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Go figure, why do you hate Tom Brady so much?
I love Tom Brady? You know that I love him.
Today say a little over embellish, like, oh you know,
let me just tell you my prep that was the
reason why you know, the two of those guys scored
in those plays.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I mean, first you air him out for being a
mediocre quarterback in college, and then you question whether or
not he can get over the past. And Bill Belichick,
I'm sick of this crap.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Geez Okay, you know, to all the people out there listening,
hopefully I'm being accurate when I say Jonas is being sarcastic.
What do you mean hopefully? I mean maybe you might
be serious. I would hope that you're not being serious.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Damn. All right.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Some other news out of the AFC North Bengals with
some huge decisions to make this off season regarding their
two star receivers in Jamar Chase t Higgins and Ed Dresher.
Trey hendrickson, Well, Joe Burrow their quarterback. He's chimed in.
Here's what he had to say about Jamar and his teammates. Quote,
I don't know what more he could show or what
more he could prove for himself. We have several guys
(40:40):
like that who have stepped up for us and deserve
to be paid. They deserve to be paid what they're worth.
Obviously talking about Jamar Chase there, who won the NFL's
receiving triple Crown, leading the league in receptions, yards and touchdowns.
Bengals big decisions in the very near future.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Thames like it would have sounded better if he said
they will get paid me.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Meanwhile, Meanwhile, meanwhile, the Bengals are are returning items to
the ninety nine cent store. Yeah, they're too busy trying
to pay their bills.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I mean, the thing is, Joe Burrow knows those guys
getting paid is probably good for him for a couple
of reasons.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
One, he gets his receiver keeps him happy.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
You know, we saw Jamar Chase hold out for his
final year of eligibility in college football, so there's no
doubt he would do that in the NFL as well.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
He's got a business mindset always as had wasn't practicing
this uh training camp? Correct? Yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
He did more of I mean, he held out, but
he also did more of like a hold in.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah he was there. He was just street clothes.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I'm saying he can flat health, he can miss time.
But again, the reality is it's good for Burrow. He
gets his number one receiver back, but also they're gonna
have to come back to him to create cap space.
That means more guarantees probably signing, but it's more cash
for him in the short term.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You know, music, you seem really you're sitting in this
Bengals topic. What is it? Listen? Uh, you know something.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Gotta gotta gotta just declare the rooting interests in my beans?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
All right, you can keep two of the three who
you're keeping Hendrickson, Jamar Chase, t Higgins, you gotta go.
I'd probably go Hendrickson and Jamar Chase, That's right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
I mean, and that's what's probably gonna happen, even though
Hendrickson could be a casualty too.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Why can't it just be all three of them? Why
cant you just bring them all? All three of them?
Back yeah bangles football baby.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
That's right, bang bang the most important thing in the
a FC North right now, what
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Those two, those three
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As we are a little over a week away from
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Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans, we're gonna be
there next week. Is this the proverbial calm before the storm?
Or we had the point to where we're just kind
of we've run through the yah, the gauntlet of topics
to get ready for this one game.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
How we feel it's the calm before LeVar it gets
to New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
That's what it is. That's right.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
We have to be very careful about calm before storms
while speaking on referencing New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So you know it's a little too soon, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
You know, Yeah, that's fair is fair. It's gotta be
careful with storms and all that. Yeah, but LeVar is
going to show up and he will touch down on
a slur ricane.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
There we go. Yeah, I'm gonna jump on her Riccaine.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
No why, I love how you just told us we
need to temper it down and then you just made
a song out of it that was black.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I can do it. I can get away with it
on that note. I'm a black man. You know. It's
easy to leverage it these days. So I'm gonna go ahead,
and you're going to lean into it. I'm gonna lean
all the way into it, all right. I'm just trying
(02:01):
to figure out how we early.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
If you weren't stimulated, I got to if your ears
weren't parked up, they perked up.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Now, who put together this rundown? I did not got
to talk about this subject to start off the show.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I did not. I will not be held accountable for this.
Ryan that was what do you mean that's lead to lab?
That's lead to lab special? Ryan Music had nothing to do.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
There was an email by the way, you know, so
I'm blind you got the e mail.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I have the e mail.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I mean, I expect me to be in up to
date on all this technology and be into the Google
or the Docs and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
We bring in Ryan for this and ask them if
isn't that hard to log into a Google Docs.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
I've seen the challenges that can come up with Google Docs.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So you know what you know?
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Lead to lap who is your fantastic producer for your guys'
regular show through the regular time slot. He's he's going
through a lot right now. I don't know if you
guys know this. I'm gonna peel back the curtain. Lead
to that may be homeless right now. So the guy's
going through a lot. Cut him some slack. There's just
expand the time of transition. If you have to expand
(03:16):
on that.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
What do you mean?
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Yeah, I got a notification after my you know, afternoon
nap yesterday that our place was being rented out for
the month. So I had a few hours to get
ready to pack up the entire place.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Google Docs at the bottom of his priority list right now.
So we're just have some grace, have some grace.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You're trying to rent you were trying to rent it out.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I have rented someone set the stage, please, so I
set the stage for this?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Oh god? So yeah, my my my place is now.
I don't have anywhere to go after the show.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
I'll just be here until we go to New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I can't wait to go. You have this is a
new audience.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
You have to explain in thirty seconds how you got
to being homeless right now?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Is this real?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
This is real? Joy? I'm done? Like fine? Do you
not keep up what your boys feeling? Du You didn't
tell me. I didn't know anything.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
You guys didn't pick up that there was nothing done
on the Google doc until about thirty minutes before the show.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Today, it still looks like there's nothing done. Let me
let me fill everyone quickly. Okay, Lee is in. Let's
just call it a relationship. Although a relationship, Purga, go ahead, Yeah,
pretty volatile at best. And he happens to share a
place with this loved one, and they, I guess, are
(04:46):
trying to sell it. They fixed it up, trying to
sell it to leave and she's gone for what two weeksly?
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Yeah, I actually just dropped her off at lax on
the way here.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
She actually flew back in to help me get the
place ready late.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Okay, so hold on, I'll update this because the last
we heard, you were trying to sell it, not trying
to rent it.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
This changes to get away by the Yeah, it's just
not just to sell it. To sell it. You are
selling it, so y'all could get away from one. Let's
be clear on this. You could get away from her.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Yeah, yes, yes it is. It is listed. Well, now
it's not. Now we've taken it off listening to We
canceled all our open houses this weekend. Why sadly, cousins,
because I rented it out for the month.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You're renting it for only a month.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yes, but if you can sell it while you're renting it, Lee,
like you put them in a homeless situation. Let the
renters go find another place to rent, Lee, there's another
reason why you took it off the listing to sell it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Tell the truth.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
Well, the realtors wanted to take it off. It doesn't
look good that it's just sitting there without an open
house and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It's not Well, maybe it's the lounge chair in the
kitchen that was kind of or the bedroom by the way, and.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, the gun holes, the gunshots in the bedfroom, we
got a fan or the revolver hanging from the ceiling.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Maybe they just don't want to sell the home because
maybe they're trying to figure out if their love has
That's just speak clearly here and I think you're onto this.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yes, so now there's a family of sleeping in my kitchen?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yes, all right, well who's the family of Jonas?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
At least? Sorry about the pickup truck and yard break?
Do you say Jose's landscape? Uh so? Why I had
no idea, So that.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
We really try hard not to get asked to be
back on the herd.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
That that might explain why the topic says, let's start
off with Justin Tucker, which I'm not really sure why
why somebody put put both Why did somebody put two
g's in the middle of his last name? I don't
get it. Who's who's the class act here on that
on this show? So from LEAs situation, which nobody really
(07:06):
knew about until until just moments ago, to the situation
involving Justin Tucker, who you know, apparently to the school
with Deshahn Watson. I listen, I don't want to make
those jokes here, all right, like that's it's yeah, Well,
I think I think it's due soon and we're not.
You know, there's there's a lot of people out there
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that that are high up in the NFL, like Robert Kraft,
who don't want to see the league tarnish like this.
So I just I think it's Bobby or Yeah, I
just think it's fair that we that we represent this
in the proper manner. I'm sorry, let's go from the
Baltimore Banner. Justin Tucker had a little bit of an
issue at some massage parlors. Between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen,
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at least six different massage therapists accused him of inappropriate
sexual behavior. The details are gross. I mean you could
look that up. You know, some things left behind that
probably shouldn't have been any who possibly and uh multiple
spas immediately terminated him as a client. Tucker has denied this.
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The NFL is investigating, and it just begs the question,
you know, maybe this might have been what why he
was struggling this year. Maybe there was some stuff that
was about to come out and he was having a
little bit of an issue focusing.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So there's wrong wrong with guys, man, I can't they
just like be a pro on and off the field,
Like what is I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I really don't. It's not that complicated. It's not that hard. Well,
I guess in this case it probably was.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, yeah, very It's something about the AFC north man
seems like.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh, that's what you're gonna go with. I'm just saying, like,
it's it seems to be.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
There's a different AFC in there though with Bobby Orchids,
So there is a little bit sprinkled in from a
different AFC. But it does seem But aren't they the
most northern AFC team ors Buffalo more further north? It
doesn't even really matter, right, I mean, that's a New
England state, Like it's a New England place.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It's very far north.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
You know, Cleveland north, well Midwest Dang, Now Baltimore, Baltimore's
what is Baltimore? That's not north north?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Is it? That's like the lowest AFC nor it's north
for the NFL standards, It's there, you go. I mean, hey, tomato, Tomato.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
The bottom line here is is that, uh, something incorrect
is taking place. I'm curious as to now now it
crosses racial barriers for certain not just because they're not
there's power. You could say, you know robber Craft, you know,
with his situation at Orchards of Asia, like okay, whatever,
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he's an owner, like he's not going to get fired
or you know, I don't know, you know, he'll.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Deal with what he deals with.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
But now you have two players that have gone through
the same exact situation.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
What it's just like you just bree over, like you
were you were thinking black and white. I was just
thinking weird though. I don't know, glad it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I'm glad it doesn't just settled down, and I'm glad
it's situated itself in a weirdo category, you know what
I mean. Like it's just it's so simple sometimes so
easy to fall into just kind of maybe you know,
stereotyping or you know, drawing a quick conclusion. And for
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what it's worth, I've always said, kickers are people too,
and you know what, now Justin Tucker has taken that,
uh that definition to a whole nother level. Like he
didn't want to just be seen as a player, like
you're a person too, on the football team. He wanted
to be looked at as like, you know, like the quarterback,
like this is one of the main positions, and I'll
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show you we get to say type of action that
that the quarterbacks get.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Man. And I think this was the wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Way to go about proving that to the people and
to the culture, to to the fans. But nonetheless he did.
So here we are and we're talking about it. Yeah,
that's yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Not great. Bright are your thoughts in this whole situation
involving Justin Tucker, And it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean, hopefully things will you know, be better on
the up and up. I mean, that's all you can
really say. I mean, I just you hope that all
the things that have been put out there aren't true.
But it's hard when there's this much smoke. I mean,
that was It was the same thing with even in
Deshaun Watson's case. As much as you you know, looked
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at the allegations and you're saying, okay, in this country
it's it's innocent until proven guilty. What came to my
mind was, you know, you had thirty some allegations and
then you had like thirty some that came out in
his defense, and my first question was, why the.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Hell do you have six massage therapists? Like thirty four?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
You thirty against you? I mean, the whole thing was ridiculous. Well,
you're here in one city. All you needed at that
point in time was one maybe two, right, like you
don't need sixty or however, massage therapists in this case,
when you look at the details, it's alarming because you're saying, well,
why why did he have some massage therapists just in Baltimore. Now,
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he's been there forever and he's been extremely successful, and
maybe you know when to change things whatever. I'm sure
there's some sort of rationale or something to this, but
I just it's hard to buy into it that he's
completely innocent. And I know I'm going against what I
just said a moment ago, but again, it just it's
hard when there's this much smoke not to think that
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there's something more there.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
How many allegations are against Tucker. He's kicked out of
at least six massage therapists. He was kicked out of
a bunch of different spas in the Baltimore area. All right, bunch, what.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Type of spalls were they do we know the type
of where they lights spalls, where they like where they
upscale spalls.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
You like, if they had a water table that was
like the telling signs that you said?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Is that what you said, LeVar?
Speaker 5 (13:10):
I don't recall that, but if Q said it, then
I probably mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Huh, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Yeah, I just I've always known that if if it
had like this is what I learned when I was
early in the league, and I won't I'll leave some
of my teammates nameless. But they always said look for
the red open signe that's the massage parlor. He he them.
They enjoyed going to where the massage parlors spall spalls.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
So you're saying, like on ten PM on a Tuesday night,
that red sign should not say open, is what you're saying.
It probably shouldn't say open. That's so reckless. There's my
favorite Indian food place back home. They have a red
open sign.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That's a restaurant. That's a restaurant.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
And even to that point, there might be al soda machine,
there might be a like a door off to the side,
and that's connected to that open side.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
You pull a candle down by the fireplace and then
open you walk right in.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I'll try that speak easies like that, and they got
rub easies like that.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'm just saying, all right, you know, hey listen, ye
look red open sides.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Hey, people out there, I'm putting you up on a
little game if you If you see a massage parlor
and it's in a city and you just happen to
be walking back, like you said, it's like nine, you know,
ten o'clock and it says open, chances are that's, uh,
that's the massage parlor that these guys you know.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
We're going to. I'll just say, is this, uh, somebody
who listens to our show in the morning from six
to nine Eastern time. I was pretty connected in the
Baltimore area. He sent me a message before this stuff
came out, and he says it's legit. So if that's
a legit, well, you know, apparently there's also some tweets
(15:14):
that have been well, no, there's some tweets that were
sent out a few years back that kind of indicated
something was going on that everybody in the area kind
of knew. It wasn't a very well kept secret that
Justin Tucker had, you know, some issues with this and
had been kicked out of several places.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
So I mean that is that gives a new meaning
to his name. Now, doesn't it just a Tucker? Like
I mean, he's.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Definitely It's here's my question though, from an NFL standpoint,
how does the league handle this? Like?
Speaker 5 (15:49):
They got to sit him down? Yeah, I mean, you
got to shut him down and depending on you know,
they'll leave it up to and I know Ces the
the legal guy here, but sure, I'll just say this.
I mean, I have no idea why. I don't either,
but you're good at it. You sound like you know it,
so I defer. But I'll just say, Deshaun Watson set
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the tone for what I mean, maybe Bobby Orchids did,
Robert Robert Kraft set the tone, but DeShawn did it.
For players and whatever it is that that has come
out and has popped up, they have to they have
to get Justin Tucker out of the way. He can't
be like he's a kicker. It's not like he I mean,
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but he's a he's a high profile kicker, but he
can't be on the field. First things first, no matter
if he you know, the whole innocent until proven guilty,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
He can't be active right now. That's first things first,
it's like he can't be active.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I would assume that would be the first step que
that would be taken as just making sure people know
that they're investigating it, they're aware of it, and until
further notice of what's going on, until we find out
more about what's going going on. You know, justin Tucker
is probably to just stay away and stay wherever he's
going to be, but not be at the facility or
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a part of anything that's Ravens related.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I would assume this is a classic case of why
the Commissioner's Exempt list was created, because you're able to
determine what the facts are and figure this out now
that there's a couple of different things that play here, right,
I don't know if the lawsuits civil in nature or
if it's criminal in nature from this report, because that
makes a big difference. Right, If it's criminal, obviously the
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burden of proof to prove what he did was wrong
is much greater. However, you know, in regards to the
player of conduct policy, both still play a factor. But
if it's a criminal conviction, if that happens down the road.
You think that not only is the evidence bore damning
that not only are they're going to know from a
legal standpoint, but also the NFL is going to be
able to find out the suspension would be just disputative,
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meaning Watson's was I believe eleven games which not to
get off on a t engine hair. I am curious
to know because of how everything transpired with the trade,
and he goes to Cleveland, if they weren't playing Houston
in that week twelve game back in twenty twenty two
in December, if it would have been longer, and if
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it would have been you know, any anymore. You know, again,
putative only because I think the NFL. NFL is kind
of selling that. They might not want to admit that,
but selling every part of that. The fact that he's
in Cleveland, he's making his return to Houston. Yeah, like
that's that's something's gonna make people want to tune in
a row.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Because it is kind of a random number to throw
out on a suspension, you know, like two games, four games,
it has eleven. It's like, you know, come oster.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well, I can't recall if there was any tweaking to
that number. If he had appealed it and they had
reduced it, which I can't again imagine and I don't
remember that being the case. So the eleven number was
just kind of odd. Typically they like even numbers. If
you guys recall back during the Ray Rice situation, it
kind of became almost common that if there was a
domestic violin, they should be six games. That was the
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minimum that players were going forever or so. So in
this case, it really comes down to I think what
the the NFL or is able to gather. But I
think you will have an idea of that based on
I haven't looked to see if it's criminal or civil,
but that that'll give you a sense. If it's civil. Again,
burden proof is a lot harder to be able to award.
(19:24):
You know, in this case, the point is what they're
looking to get, and.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
You will be a little bit lenient, more lenient if
you're the league, right if it's civil. If it's so,
here's the thing that might hit a little different, correct.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Well, I mean, I don't know how deeply are to
go in this right now, but I don't think that
matters as much. I think what you know, what they're
going to have as far as what they can prove
from an evidence standpoint. Is why I'm bringing this up
because if you have a really big slam dunk case,
and you'll probably try both it be criminal and civil.
(19:57):
Right if you don't have quite as much evidence, you
probably would want to go to the civil route because
that's the only way you're going to probably be able
to feel like, you know, your plaintiff is going to
be able to get any sort of fulfillment of that verdict,
right like, you'd hate to see them losing that case.
A lot of people are just gonna say, well, maybe
it's a money grab, maybe they just want to settle,
(20:18):
and this stuff was going on, so they just want
to you know, paydate, whatever the case is. But all
those things are still out there in both cases. But
typically when you see someone try a criminal case first,
it's because they've got more damning evidence. They want that
person to pay and for their freedom to be impacted.
So I would say it doesn't matter if it's criminal
or civil in this case, it really comes down to,
you know, what evidence is out there to prove one
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way or another, and then what the NFL is able
to ascertain from all of that, and if they can
if they can build enough of a case to sit
there and say we feel like this is heinous and
just as bad as Deshaun Watson, then yeah, you'd have
to say eleven games would be at least what we've
seen so far. The interesting thing is that I thought
that Deshaun Watson case would be a unicle like, we
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never see that again in the NFL, And now we're here,
what two years, two and a half years later, dealing
with the heading of the twenty twenty five season again.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
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Herdline News with Ryan Music, we are going to hear
from the Goat talking about his preparation as we get
set for the biggest game of the year. That'll be
yours here on FSR. Speaking of the Goat, a lot
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of people would argue that that would be Bill Belichick,
who's currently the head coach for the North Carolina tar Heels.
According to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, apparently, Bill
Belichick was not all that thrilled with the raiders hiring
of Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I guess you can understand why, right, Yeah, I like,
this is what I feel like. It was not my
instant reaction, you know, because I think when Bill Belichick
signed with North Carolina, I kind of thought, Okay, he
wants to go that route. Maybe it's more about setting
up his son, Steve Belichick to become the head coach
in waiting or eventually be able to take over as
a head coach and get his foot in the door.
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And so I thought that was more of his prerogative.
But then when you really peel back the curtains, when
you see the Raiders hire Pete Carroll who's a year old,
and obviously Tom Brady having played a role in the
interview process, and the fact that I don't know, even
if he did reach out to Bill Belichick, he wouldn't
push and do everything he could to get Bill Belichick
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there as the head coach. I mean, it's a small
ten million dollars is not much for a buyout. So
the fact that the Las Vegas Raiders would opt for
Pete Carroll again who's a year older, obviously successful, you.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Know, has won a Super Bowl, been to Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
It's it's not so much that in my mind, it's
just like, if you're going to hire someone at that
age to set up the foundation of your organization for
the future and for whoever that next coach is that
you know, head coach in waiting is, wouldn't you think
you'd go with the guy that you won six Super
Bowls with?
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I'll just say this, I think both of them have
been reported as control freaks, you know, by the media.
Like I think there was one point in time where
they said there was no one for Pete Carroll to
have to answer to in the Seahawks organization. He pretty much,
you know, ran the team the way that he wanted
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to run the team. Bill Belichick probably had more resistance
in that category, having to probably deal with Robert Kraft.
I think, entering into the scenario though, if there was
one person out of the two that maybe made people
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feel more comfortable. And I know this could be overstated,
but I'll just find it to be some accuracy to it,
maybe some validity connected to it. It still remains that
the reputation of Bill Belichick is very very intimidating to people.
(24:38):
And now now I look at it and I'm like, Okay, well,
tom Brady played for him, and Tom Brady is familiar
with who Bill Belichick is as the coach, as the administrator,
as the authoritarian, as you know, as the person. But
with that being said, you're one person. And one thing
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that we got to take in consideration with Tom Brady
stepping into this situation of ownership with this organization and
taking on personnel duties, taking on team duties, is that
there's relationships that have to play a part in what
Tom Brady is doing. If you bring in somebody and
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it just happens to go down the lane of o s.
He is the guy that we thought he was coming in. Oh,
he is difficult to deal with. Oh, this isn't a
very comfortable situation. And while it may be what this
organization needs, if it's one thing I learned being in the.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
League that's not always readily.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Welcomed, it's not always easy to change the status quo,
to change comfort levels. And maybe both of them will
come in and do that. Maybe that's what they bring
to the table with their knowledge of the game being
around it, as long as they haven't had the success
they've had, but the level of success that Bill Belichick had,
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I would I just gotta think it has to be
his way to a very large degree if you're going
to get or want or expect the type of results
that he was able to get, which, by the way,
I don't even think it's realistic to think that Bill
Belichick could recreate that or any other coach. I don't
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think any other coach can recreate that either.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Like, do we know did he get any official interview
this hiring cycle? We know he got the Falcons last year,
but like any hiring any interview this hiring cycle from anybody,
because I don't think he did, Like I just think
it was well, maybe he's a possibility. Maybe there's some
speculation that Belichick would be interested here, maybe there were.
Look I don't like there was no ever official interview,
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know nothing, And to me, that says more about those
organizations than it does him. Like, and we've talked about
it on our show before, Like if that guy walks
into to a room, you listen, like I don't. I
don't stand over my mechanic's shoulder and go no, no,
you do that? You do this over here? Somebody put that, No,
they know what they're doing. I don't. He knows what
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the hell he's doing. Like, look at his track record.
It's not like he just wanted New England. He had
success in Cleveland, he had successes a DC with the Giants,
like he's been in the league for decades.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
The idea that to make you expendable. Who wants to
be expendable.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I've seen it happen, and then then that's seen it happened,
and that's then that's our organization. When Marty, yes, that's reliless,
that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
They fired Marty after one year because of what we're
talking about. It was intimidating. It was football people stick
to football things. Administrator, sales stick to sales. Go figure, right,
this is very very like sensible. You know, media stick
to media. You know, cooks stick to cooks, trainers stick
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to training. But they did not. That was not received
well by ownership in Washington, and he was gone after
a year.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Who was the owner that it was a little danny.
It was a little danny. O. Yeah, it was a
little danny that.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I think I had a lot to do with it too,
I Bill Mark, Well, I don't know that. Here's the
reality is we all think that whatever fracture breakup Tom
Brady and Bill Belichick had, we watched the roast, and
I think some of what, well, that's what we think.
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I mean, obviously Bill Belichick attends. What we actually took
from the roast was that, hey, maybe there are some
jokes that cut a little deeper than Tom Brady had anticipated.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That was more of the takeaway from it. And it
seemed like there.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Was a bit of an awkwardness too with Bill Belichick
and Robert Kraft and Tom Brady Robert Kraft and that
whole triangle. But what we didn't take away from it
is like, well, how patched up is this relationship? I mean,
how much does Tom Brady look at Bill Belichick and say, Yeah,
this is the guy that if I had the chance
as an owner, I'd want to bring in to get
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my organization run the right way.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Because he had the chance.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Can I ask you this, based off of what you're saying,
why would Tom Brady want to be lumped into what
became the ultimate narrative of the Patriots? Who was the reason?
Was it Robert Kraft? Was it Bill Belichick? Was it
Tom Brady? Was it Tom Brady and Bill Belichick? Was
it Tom Brady and Robert Grat Was it Robert Craft
and Bill Belichick?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Who was it?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
If I'm Tom Brady, why would I even invite that
into the door, Because the minute Bill Belichick comes.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
In there, what are you going to say?
Speaker 6 (29:43):
What is? It?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Ends up shaking out to be well? To me?
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Tom Brady already proved that it's Tom Brady. I mean
went to Tampa won his first year away. I mean
literally with the greatest you could say hurdles of any
quarterback they've had to deal with because of COVID. I mean,
you went through a season where you couldn't practice with
your teammates. Remember he was knocking on people's doors, the
wrong doors of the playbook. He got kicked out of
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a public park for trying to try to practice with
his teammates, but here you had at least amount of time.
So in that one year's time, he's able to prove
that not only can he win a Super Bowl, he
made it back even at that age. And then you
watch things continually fall apart in New England. So I
think he's already stated that case. And even if he
brought in Bill Belichick to be the head coach, tom
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Brady's not playing anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
He's just the owner or a limited courts challenge.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
I would challenge that by saying, because again a lot
of people looked at Tom Brady, including put me in
put me in that group. Tom Brady was not the
player in the pros that he was in college. Damn
just wasn't. No, he wasn't. That's not it. That's not
a knock. Tom was was good in college, could play
some ball, but he was not the animal that he
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was in the league that he was in college. So
I think people would push back and say, sure was
Tom Brady that went to Tampa Bay and did what
he did and accomplished what he accomplished, but he had
to learn that from somebody. He had to learn it
from somewhere, and all those years together, that standard, that accountability.
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You know, they make mention of the fact that how
Belichick treated Brady so that he could set a tone
with the rest of the players in the locker room,
so he would go at him the same exact way
he would go at any other player. There was a
development that had to take place a Tom Brady to
become the player, and a lot of it's personal, one
hundred percent, but there still could be the idea that
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without Bill Belichick, and I think a lot of people
subscribe to that. Without Belichick, Bill Belichick, tom Brady does
not become the Tom Brady that he is today. Why
would I want to deal with that debate. I don't
want to deal with that debate. If I'm Tom Brady,
I dealt with that already.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
And even if I don't.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Know how that happened, I just don't know anymore. That
could create confusion within the organism if you ask.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Me, because all checks the head coach. I mean, it's
not like there's like again, that debate's not there anymore.
They're not a player coach.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yeah, it's an owner coach. And now you're talking about
philosophies of how you're going to draft, how the organization
is ran.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
There's a lot of different.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I would say this, Do you think that Tom Brady,
who's a byproduct of all that time and all those
years in New England, isn't going to run that very
similar to everything he did?
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Again, I think sometimes sometimes the thing that you learned
the best, the person you learned the best from you
you sometimes you outgrow that person that sometimes.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
But again, what else does he know?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Is gonna say Bruce Arians and the Glazer family and
the way but the Bucks ran things during three years there.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
All I'm saying is is that what takes place between
them is what takes place between them, and they probably
have a firm way of dealing with how one another
treats the other, how one another is. But I don't
necessarily think that that would be the collective feeling of
everybody in that building. And while Tom Brady may not
(33:12):
look at it that way, I just do not think
that with the personality that Bill Belichick showed being in
New England, if he's going to be the guy that
comes in and builds that program the way that he
built it to win where he was at before or
where he's going to do it now, you have to
be in a place where you're able to be who
(33:33):
you are. And I just again, Atlanta serves as a
great example. It serves as a great example. Now you
throw in Tom Brady to the equation, I think it
ups the stakes. There's no way. It just just up
the stakes.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I just I don't really understand like the correlation where
you're going.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I think the correlation is you're looking out a situation
where can Tom Brady be the decision maker that he
needs to be?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Is the decision maker he's.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
He's he's a limited partner, Mark Davis is leaning on
he's probably the future majority owner.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
There's no disputing that. It doesn't matter if Bill Belichick's
the head coach or not.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah, but it doesn't mean that Bill Belichick has to
subscribe to that.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
But there he get interviewed. It doesn't matter. This is
all like hypothetical, Like, well, that's the whole conversation. Hypothetical conversation.
That's that's what this is. What else is it? What's
a hypothetical conversation?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
They we're not talking to hypotheticals. We're talking with legitimacy.
Well you might be, but if you finished for a second,
like they decided to go with Pete Carroll instead of
Bill Belichick. So we're not talking about hypothetical. We're talking
about that decision that was made.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Was made.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Okay, I'm giving you if you're saying that you think
that it's because of somehow his legacy as a player
and coach would factor into that, Like, I just I
don't get how.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
That's still legacy. I think his reputation, I think.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Okay, okay, the news reputation, how his reputation would factor
in being that they were a player coach.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I just don't really see how that matches up. I mean,
he went up against you don't have to see.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
I'm giving you the reasoning that I see. You don't
have to see it. I'm just giving you the reason
that I see. But basically, let's.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Let's let's say Jonas hasn't got in on it. I mean,
let's let Jonas talk.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Jonas asked the question, I mean, I believe that this
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Speaker 6 (37:33):
The Chiefs getting ready for their fifth Super Bowl appearance
in six years, so familiar territory for them, much like
what we saw for the Patriots for about two decades
or so. Well, yesterday on the Herd, call and talk
to the Tom Brady about utilizing extra time to prepare
for the Super Bowl, and well he shared this, I
like the extra.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
Time a lot because it gave me extra time to
do all the prep that I needed to do. One
of my best kind of memories from the Super Bowl
twenty fourteen. We're playing the Legion of Boom. It's Friday
night before the Super Bowl. We've, of course, had like
eleven or twelve days to prepare, and it's probably like
nine o'clock and I wasn't feeling great about the red
area package we had. And I went in and Josh
(38:12):
McDaniels is in the staff room and I said, hey,
we got to go through the red area. I said,
it's just too hard down there. They played too much zone.
So we install three plays on Friday night, after two
weeks of preparation, all the practice is done and one
of the touchdowns is to Jojo Lafel, the first one
of the game, and the second one is to Danny A.
(38:32):
Mondola later in that game, And we hadn't practiced them
at all for eleven days, and it was just I
like to use every minute of prep going up into
those games because they're the hardest ones to win.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
So there you go, putting in new plays just days
before the Super Bowl without any practice.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Sounds like me getting ready for a show. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's about it's about how yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Now, it feels like in circumstances like that, you tend
to lean towards Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes with extra time
to prepare or now.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Probably I think his record coming out buys would would
would showcase that a bit. But but the one thing
I just say about the NFL is there are times
where guys are drawing up plays in the sidelines, making
adjustments on things that you talked about in training camp
nine weeks ago. Sure, So as impressive as that is,
you know, you're still talking about adjustments that are made
in real time, and maybe stuff that wasn't practiced at all,
(39:24):
or at least hadn't been for months, even though they'd
been playing, so that's not that uncommon. I'm more impressed
with his recall and talking about that moment.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
I agree it sounds a little over embellish, but you
know I'm a former player.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Go figure, why do you hate Tom Brady so much?
I love Tom Brady? You know that I love him.
Today say a little over embellish, like, oh you know,
let me just tell you my prep that was the
reason why you know, the two of those guys scored
in those plays.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I mean, first you air him out for being a
mediocre quarterback in college, and then you question whether or
not he can get over the past. And Bill Belichick,
I'm sick of this crap.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Geez Okay, you know, to all the people out there listening,
hopefully I'm being accurate when I say Jonas is being sarcastic.
What do you mean hopefully? I mean maybe you might
be serious. I would hope that you're not being serious.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Damn. All right.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Some other news out of the AFC North Bengals with
some huge decisions to make this off season regarding their
two star receivers in Jamar Chase t Higgins and Ed Dresher.
Trey hendrickson, Well, Joe Burrow their quarterback. He's chimed in.
Here's what he had to say about Jamar and his teammates. Quote,
I don't know what more he could show or what
more he could prove for himself. We have several guys
(40:40):
like that who have stepped up for us and deserve
to be paid. They deserve to be paid what they're worth.
Obviously talking about Jamar Chase there, who won the NFL's
receiving triple Crown, leading the league in receptions, yards and touchdowns.
Bengals big decisions in the very near future.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Thames like it would have sounded better if he said
they will get paid me.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Meanwhile, Meanwhile, meanwhile, the Bengals are are returning items to
the ninety nine cent store. Yeah, they're too busy trying
to pay their bills.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I mean, the thing is, Joe Burrow knows those guys
getting paid is probably good for him for a couple
of reasons.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
One, he gets his receiver keeps him happy.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
You know, we saw Jamar Chase hold out for his
final year of eligibility in college football, so there's no
doubt he would do that in the NFL as well.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
He's got a business mindset always as had wasn't practicing
this uh training camp? Correct? Yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
He did more of I mean, he held out, but
he also did more of like a hold in.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah he was there. He was just street clothes.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I'm saying he can flat health, he can miss time.
But again, the reality is it's good for Burrow. He
gets his number one receiver back, but also they're gonna
have to come back to him to create cap space.
That means more guarantees probably signing, but it's more cash
for him in the short term.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You know, music, you seem really you're sitting in this
Bengals topic. What is it? Listen? Uh, you know something.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Gotta gotta gotta just declare the rooting interests in my beans?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
All right, you can keep two of the three who
you're keeping Hendrickson, Jamar Chase, t Higgins, you gotta go.
I'd probably go Hendrickson and Jamar Chase, That's right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
I mean, and that's what's probably gonna happen, even though
Hendrickson could be a casualty too.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Why can't it just be all three of them? Why
cant you just bring them all? All three of them?
Back yeah bangles football baby.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
That's right, bang bang the most important thing in the
a FC North right now, what
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Those two, those three
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