January 31, 2025 • 42 mins
2 Pros and a Cup of Joe fill-in on The Herd, and Cam Newton brings up the debate of MVP’s vs Championships. NFL Draft Analyst Mike Renner joins the guys live from the Senior Bowl and Saquon Barkley admits to rooting against the Eagles in the Super Bowl vs the Chiefs
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's a Herd. Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox filling in for calling
here hour two of this three hour extravaganza.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Get away day coming up in a couple.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Of days as we get set for the Super Bowl
in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
We will be there.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You can hear us by the way Monday through Friday,
six to nine am Eastern time, three o'clock to six
am Pacific time, so a little later start time for
us today, but we will be back in our standard
time slow coming up on Monday live from New Orleans
at Radio Row. And who the hell knows who's going
to be walking the streets of New Orleans at.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
That time at that hour, So Lee, yeah, yeah, probably Lee,
probably our producer.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes, this we do know. He really is almost he
may not.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Be with us. He may be walking the streets.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Lee may not make it back. A lot of stuff
goes on on Bourbon Street. Man, I mean you guys, God,
I wish you guys could see him. He really, He's
going on, how many what are we? Forty five minutes sleep?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
He said, uh yeah, if that not that not quite
that much.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I had about a half hour. I don't know how
much of that was actual sleep.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Can I just go back to the question. I think
we've all brought it up. You must want to prolong
this relationship. If you're choosing to run it out only
for a month, talk to him. Can not just lower
the price and trying to sell it like just so
you can cut ties.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Tell him if I can sell it today, I would,
but I'll take the I'll take the month runt.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You're lying, dude, You're lying, Lee?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yes, why do you you?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
You know, habitual liars do not realize that they are lying, bro,
like you.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Have like Stockholm syndrome. Man, I'm just saying, there's something
going on here.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's not that bad, is it not?
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Lee?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Why we're in a crop top today?
Speaker 7 (02:22):
Jeez?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
It's a new fan Punky Brewster. He how's your computer doing?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I got a new charger. So on my third computer,
now on my third laptop, Well, why is that? Lee?
The other one got a little wet. Le didn't have
a flo How to get wet?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Lee? I don't know. I don't know. By the way,
it was nobody in the body of water. You weren't
in the body of water. That that that computer, that
laptop he.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Was taking for a frisbee. M bye.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Who By the way, Le doesn't use air tags. He
uses lifeguards to get his belongings back.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Hey, Lee, who thought that your.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Laptop was a frisbee?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I don't know. I just saw fly out the window,
that's all.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
What window? Whose windows? From your window?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That is correct?
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
All right, so there you go.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
All right, all right, So from from that and we'll
get to the bottom of whatever the hell's going on
there with Lee and why why Lee found out an
hour before the show he was homeless. Cam Newton, the
former NFL quarterback, is now making the rounds. He's not
(03:38):
a huge fan of uh, you know, Jason Whitlock and
some others.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
These days.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
There's been a lot of back and forth from Cam
and the media. If you're at a seven on seven tournament,
and you try and throw down with him, He'll just
control you with one r and slap your buddies around.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Will never lose his hat. He looked like Jean Claude
Van Damit, he afraid.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Did he have any more ks on him? Like any
rips in his close any amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Not even a wrinkle.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I've said I will say it before.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
He is an Adonis, Like he is one of the
most physically imposing people you have ever seen. Like you
you got to see when when defenders walk on the
field pregame and they see how big Cam was. Like
I remember playing against Been twenty twelve and I was
just like, dude, I was like, bruh, yeah, yeah, someone's
(04:32):
got to try to tackle him in our second the
same size?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
What are you?
Speaker 6 (04:36):
No, No, buddy, I swear to God when I stood
there and you like you look up like he I
don't know what he is. He's listed has if he's
six five six, No, he is like six foot seven,
he's he's closer to six seven.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Then I swear he is six five.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
He's I just and he can he can he deal?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
He was.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He was a bad dude.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Yeah, he's good at media. I mean he's he's a
lightning rod in media. I mean, people are paying attention
to him.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
He's basically Brady Quinn. Is what you're saying, Lebar the
black version?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, and a
little bit more athletic, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Ay Lee?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Can we run with that on Twitter? Brady Don Brady
Quinn is the white Cam Newton or Cam Newton is
the black Brady Quinn. If you just do that, I think,
very good looking dude, keep going over six foot four.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean definitely not music. You could attest to
this too correct Well. Not only is that, I just
want to know who has the better hat collection, because Brady,
I hear you get pretty close to some of these
things we've seen Cam Newton wearing.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Cam's hats are crazy where you actually actually, if we're
really going to call it someone for their hats on
this show, it's all you showed up with a fire
hat at a funeral.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I did what I did. It was a black hat.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I can't bring this up because it's listen, I know
that that is correct and and his and he had
perfect vision. He was able to see, like you know,
any uh any hammocks right.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
There was three takeaways from that funeral.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
There was at the gravesite.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I didn't want to see it, but some things you
just see.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was Levar's hat. I was like, oh, that's a
statement hat for a funeral.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
It was the It was it was your your in laws,
your family, and that car that I believe in hydraulics.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yes, yes man. It was like half the block with
with with with Tyrone the chauffeur.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
And and and a twine bailey in the back. And
that's six ten.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I've never seen someone pull up to a funeral.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I was like like Cam Newton sitting on someone's shoulders.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
He all I know is the Knox Brothers. Yeah, boys,
y'all got this stating for whips. I had no idea
what's all about. But y'all, y'all, y'all vehicles. I don't
get it.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
The last thing was is the the attire was risquet.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
B Uncle LeVar like a shot approve. I'm sitting there
saying my goodbyes.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
And while I'm looking to say my goodbyes, so was
I a red thong? I mean, I didn't know. I
couldn't look at the final flight.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Burial was like, brought the sling shot. I looked at
LeVar like did you just see that? He just gave
me that like very sly nod of like yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So just if we can peel back the curtain just
a bit, the curtain of the thong.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We just peeled back just a bit. We uh we all.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think it's the only time that this show has
ever all gotten together. Outside the show is at a funeral,
uh not not to be named. Who was who was
who was being lowered down? But somebody at the funeral
who was a a family member decided to go no
belt and red thong when they bent over to say
they're goodbyes, and LaVar was the first one to spot it,
(08:21):
like a draw spotted LeVar like a drone space You
are stupid.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I am not a hawk a like that.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I was looking at the we're looking at I was like, Wow,
that's a beautiful casket. Whoa what is that?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Like?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Why is that there?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
LeVar? Just one of these things don't belong here.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Everybody. It's like a somber moment. People are laying flowers
on the casket. It was that moment you just hear
LeVar in the background, Go, jeez, LeVar, you.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Saw the red Road and it matched the Red Falls
and that was what it.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Was, very Rose reddish and I don't know why I
remember that, but do you know?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
So from that over to Cam Newton, Yeah. Cam Newton
has some thoughts on the debate between MVP and Super Bowl.
Obviously an MVP winner, obviously not a Super Bowl winner,
did appear in one and this was his take on
First Take yesterday.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
I asked you, Cam, if you could give back that
league MVP for a Super Bowl championship, would you do it?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Nope?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Really? Really?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (09:33):
What's more important impact or championships? If we're being honest,
the impact of you holding yourself accountable to say everybody
has a responsibility to do.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And you could say, as an MVP.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Award winner or All American, you've hailed yourself or you've
hailed Joe into the bargain down, and that's what it
really comes down to for me.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I know that's not the popular pickup.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
I'm trying to be popularized, but my take is I'm
taking individual success because I did my job.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So there's Cam Newton discuss disagree with him.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
You guys could take it First, I don't disagree with
like all of it. So I would rather have a
super Bowl. I would rather have a chance, I would
have rather have a national title. I'd rather have a
super Bowl. But he's I mean, what is inaccurate about
what he's saying. If you've held yourself personally to the
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highest standard that you can, and you worked your now
if it came at the expense of others, if you
getting the award that you got most Valuable Player award,
which how would you be the most valuable player? If
you're costing your teammates, if you're costing the team games.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So to me, I.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Would I can understand the reasoning of saying that I'd
rather have the MVP title or whatever it may be,
based off of what I've helped myself accountable to to
what my level of play is going to be.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean, I don't have a problem with that. Let
me just put it this way.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
I think when he answered the question, he answered it,
but then he kind of pivoted to like a different conversation,
because what you're talking about are like two kinds of
separate things. To me, if you asked me and granted,
like I guess the only thing I can say is,
you know, when the Heisman, I won the Maxwell, right,
so that's a Player of the Year award. Would I
have traded that for a national championship? There is no
(11:34):
doubt in my mind. And I think had I had
a successful enough career to ever win MVP or even
be a part of a team won a super Bowl,
to me, there's no hesitation.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You take the championship and take the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
And I think it's in part because you know, for
me person because because look, it's all about perspective, it's
all about how he feels like he won the MVP.
Now he's been to a Super Bowl, he lost it,
and so I would I would think from his perspective,
there's not too many other people that could kind of
understand what he's saying and how he's saying it and
why he wouldn't trade that. But I think for most players,
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most people, you would take the championship in part because
it's not such an individual thing. You get to share
that moment, that history. You know, it's one more than forever, right.
You hear that phrase all the time because you're gonna
forever be remembered in history together as a part of
that team that won a championship, and that, to me
is the ultimate thing about football. Like what I love
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about football is even as much importance as the quarterback
position has. And you might say, hey, it's the most
important position in all of sports. That may be the case,
but there's still a defense. There's still all these other
variables and pieces and people around you that it takes
in order for you to be able to win. It's
the ultimate team sport. Nothing else is even close in
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my mind. So because of that, I think the power
of winning a championship and all the people that it impacts,
your teammates, that coaches, for everything else to make it
come together and make it work, is that much more
powerful than just winning that MVP because there's no one
else that can share it with you. Like, yeah, you
can have guys that say many you guys help me
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win this Player of the Year and you help me
win this MVP aboard. That's great, but it's not impacting
them the same. They're not going to a super Bowl
with their family one day when they have kids and say, yes, son,
I remember when we came here and we won, Like
that's where this ring comes from. They're not sharing in that,
like those guys who are on Camp's team that year
don't have a ring that they're showing and saying, yeah,
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remember when Cam will that MVP, Like, here's my MVP
ring from you know, saying so. I think the difference
is and this is where I think there's a difference
in how people talk about leadership.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Leadership.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Some people would just say if it's doing the right
thing right saying doing the right thing, But there's an
element of accountability too. It's being the type of person
that's gonna be able to bring people along with you
in that sixth and hold them accountable for doing their
job too. Like doing your job is just not enough.
I know it's a phrase that people throw around a lot,
but I think the best teams have players who forced
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guys to come along with them and then that there's
kind of shared success in those championships. But if you're
doing your job the best your ability and you're doing
it so high that you win MVP, great, But ultimately,
like I don't think there's many players or many guys,
let's just put it this way, who've won MVP that
wouldn't trade that for a Super Bowl or for another
Super Bowl, they had one. I'll just put it that way.
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That's a very unique take. And I think some people
probably look back at that at that play in the
Super Bowl when there was the fumble and he kind
of didn't really go for it, and they're like, well, yeah,
kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I don't get that deep with it in terms of
him not going for the fumble. I mean, I didn't
like that you didn't go for it, But that man
did what I felt was like humanly possible to win
for that team, especially the things he accomplished that year.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I just I just look at it again.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
If I am going to be the best teammate, I've
got to get myself up in the morning. That starts
with me. I have to get myself out of the bed.
I gotta get myself to the facility. That starts with me.
I have to put in the work in the time
to study the plays and know the playbook and know
what I need to do.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
That starts and ends with me.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
The only way we can be great together and when
is if all the individuals on the team, knowing that
they're individuals, bring the best them. You got to bring
the best you. You got to be the best you
that you can possibly be. And I if you're going
to be measured and judged in a way where they say,
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all right, you were the best of the best, of
being measured to the standard of what is the best
that comes to the table in terms of becoming an MVP,
I just I again, I don't think that there should
be an either or for one, I know it was
an either or question. I don't think that you should
have to give away the idea or the understanding that
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being the best you that you can be and being
recognized for that, I feel like that's ultimately going to
lead to all those things you just explained. Like for me,
I don't like we never won a national title in college.
I'm super close with my teammates. We're super tight.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I made it.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Into the Pro I mean into the College Hall of Fame,
and even when I went to the Pro Bowls and
in the league, like we're all going, like, let's go linebackers,
We're going whatever whatever it may be, We're going. I
know for certain that it's my effort and my accountability
to my teammates that's going to get me up every morning,
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that's going to have me run in that wind sprint
as hard as I possibly can. It's not to get
the personal award. It's to be the best teammate that
I can possibly be because I want us to win.
If that leads to me becoming a pro bowler, if
it leads to me being a Defensive Player of the
Year or anything like that, where I get an award
that recognizes my effort, then I'm not one again.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I'm not going to sit here and say I would
want the championship. But at the end of the day,
if if I got a personal award because of my effort,
my effort being being seen and being being you know,
recognized that way, I'm not going to have a problem
with it either. So for him to say he'd rather
have it, I don't have a problem. I don't have
an issue with his his mind or his reasoning behind
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wanting it. One of the examples he gave were quarterbacks,
you know, like Nick Foles, quarterbacks like Trend Dilfer, you know,
And there was another one. Brad Johnson was the other
quarterback that he gave, like, would I rather, you know,
trade my career with them? They won super Bowls when
never won an MVP, And I'm curious would he feel
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the same trading a career with Matt Stafford because staff
never won an MVP, but he's got a Super Bowl
Or Drew Brees never.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Won an MVP.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Thosebacks than the ones he gave a.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
But my point would be they don't have the MVP,
So would you trade your career for theirs? Which is
a bigger picture question. But I don't know how anybody
and Cam Newton's fantastic, but I don't know how you
could look at the career of Cam Newton and a
Drew Brees or Matt Stafford and say he had a
better run than they did. So in totality, I just
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I think this, And furthermore, if they win that Super
Bowl in twenty sixteen, they beat Denver, Cam Newton's probably
a Hall of Famer, right, I mean, he's got He's
got both with him.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
It's just kind of an interesting retrospective on it, you
know what I wonder.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
I wonder if his perspective too comes from like do
you remember at Auburn they won the national championship, he
won the Heisman Trophy and I think he played on
that team that you can go back and research this,
but they didn't have many draft picks. They might have
had like one or two, maybe three on the team.
And it was one of those championships, some one of
those runs where you're like, this guy was so dominant
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that he was superman, he was the entire team, and
so like there's elements of like he's kind of been
that right where he won that Player of the Year,
where he won that national championship and displayed all of that,
and so again maybe that impacts his perspective of when
he got in the NFL. And I think, and the
hard thing is when you get in the NFL, is
even as good as he was in that MVP season,
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it still wasn't enough to be able to win a championship.
And I think if had he phrased it and said, like,
here's the tough thing about answering that question, is.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Where you're going is correct? If you're going on, we
had an amazing team.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
But the problem is, even at my best, I wasn't
lucky enough to be in an organization or a part
of a team that we had enough to be able
to win it all. And that's the reality for I
think a lot of guys, I mean think about the
Green Bay Packers teams. There are Rogers has been the MVP,
and they make a run, but they get you know,
they get stop by the San Francisco forty nine ers.
You know, there's there's those years where it's like, despite
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the fact of like him play at the high level,
it's still not enough. And I think that's more of
the perspective that I thought he was going to lean
into when he answered it that yeah, I wouldn't trade
it because I feel like from my standpoint, like I've
been there as the best player and won a championship,
and I realized at the next level that it's not
enough to be even the best in the league. You
still have to have peace and help around you. And
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so I think, again that's why I go back to
what I initially said, it's the ultimate team sport, and
I think being able to share more in that and
you go back to Penn State all the time, Yeah,
I mean, and you were the defensive player of the year,
like when you finished there, like you were that guy.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
But the difference is.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
If you wouldn't I would trade it a hundred times,
if one hundred times, to have had it exactly.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Because because you know what they'd be saying hendon to
twenty twenty five, like, hey, James Franklin, Penn State. They
just got Jim Knowles, they got Christian Aller coming back,
the running backs are back the hole. Everyone besides the
number one overall pick, probably an Abdiel Carter is coming
back to try to go all into one, and it'd
be the first time since LeVar Arrington was here win
won one. Like that's what they'd be said. Every time
you'd go back, they'd remind you of that. And so
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that's I don't know. Again I would have answered it differently,
But I also think the way he went about answering
it didn't probably fully portray like the difficulty of to
just winning games in the NFL and getting the playoffs
and winning a Super Bowl. And I think it more
talks about too, like what the Chiefs are attempting to
do is ridiculous. I mean, really, what Patrick Mahomes and
(21:31):
this team and Andy Ry have done since he started
and taken over is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
To that much sustained.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Success where all you know is that minimum the AFC
Championship game, if not what five or six you said
in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, for what is worth. If the Carolina Panthers
were on the trajectory that the Chiefs are on right now,
Cam Newton would have been the catalyst of it. Like
you guys said, whether we say Drew Brees or not,
you know, in terms of MVP or whatever it may be,
Drew Brees was the catalyst of how good that that
Saints team was. Then you're going to be recognized that way,
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even if you won a Super Bowl or you did it.
If they're on that trajectory, Cam Newton would have been
spoken of and in the same terms that we're speaking
of Patrick Mahomes. So either with the MVP award or
without it, he would have been spoken up in the
same exact manner, in the same exact manner. So, I mean,
you got the award, and you get to stand on
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the fact that you had the award. But at the
end of the day, I would I would rather be
able to stand there with knowing that I was a
key part of it. I'm one of the key reasons
why we won it all. But I would rather that
Cam Newton's numbers at Auburn that year just looking at
him again, oh stagger like over twenty eight hundred yards
(22:50):
passing thirty touchdowns. Brou He's a unicorn.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Another almost fifteen hundred yards rushing and twenty touchdowns. The
guy had fifty one touchdowns. That year was the greatest season.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
It was the greatest single season in college football history
until Joe Burrows season for LSU.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Believable. That's the reality is.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
He had the greatest single season ever in college football history.
And people can challenge that all they want. When you
think of who is playing around him, what they went
through in the SEC to win it, and how dominant
he was. It was the greatest single season ever in
college football history until Burrow, who I think unseated him,
and mostly because of the path that they went on.
But even his stats were ungodly. I'm just ridiculous what
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he did. Animals In twenty.
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in just a couple of moments from now with Mike Renner,
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a golden domer if I'm not mistaken, Ain't that right,
Brady Quinn, big time golden domer there from CBS Sports.
That's NFL and draft analyst, that's right. Who was there
at the recess? Yeah, I'm curious they hand out like
a free recisame Mike, thanks for joining us here. How
many bags of Reese's pieces did you go home with?
Speaker 8 (24:44):
I didn't get any of this year. I actually they
usually have him in the hotel and I didn't go
to the team hotel where they're all stank, so none
for me, thankfully.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I'm trying to So you didn't you didn't do your job, Mike,
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
I'm Ryan, Ryan Wilson rich s Field over here at TVs.
They were the ones interviewing the players that I was
getting to sleep in there.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
All right, So let me ask you this before we
get into this specifics player upon player position group that
you've been the most impressed with thus far.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
That's a good question. I think the tight ends down
there in Mobile, there's probably a handful of guys that
I see going on Day two of that class, maybe
as much as four that were down there, Which is
I mean for a tight end class down seat, Well,
that's a lot. So I mean there are other classes
that are going to have first rounders, Like it was
a pretty deep defensive line class as well. There's probably
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gonna be a handful of guys go in the Round
one by that class, But tight ends, like I think
this is a year where you can find a lot
of starters on Day two of the draft.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Mike, I want to ask you about the quarterback class.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
There's been a lot of talk of maybe some teams
looking at twenty twenty six, and especially coming off of
that twenty twenty four class, we had so many guys
go in the top what twelve or whatever it was.
How would you rate this year's class and how would
you order these guys?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Yeah, I mean, if he's compared to last year, there's
at least four guys that I would put above anyone
in this class. It's probably you talked to other people,
there may be as many as six. Like all six
of the first rounders last year they have higher grades
on than anyone in this class. So from that perspective,
its weak. But then like you look at Lash's class
and all six kind of look good, right, Like there's
no none of the first rounder is really crashed and
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burned out of the gate, So maybe that's not the
worst thing in the world. So it's not super deep
to me. It's a three man class in my opinion.
It's cam Ward, it's Shador Standers, and it's Jackson dark
I was talking to Rick Spielman yesterday, former GM Minnesota Viking.
He said he thinks Jackson Dart's going to be a
first rounder after his week in Mobile. Now, I'm not
willing to go that far, but I do think he's
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the most intriguing option if I'm taking a swing somewhere
on day two in this quarterback class, after those three,
everyone else is like, I see just back up or
intriguing project that you're gonna have to wait three or
four years for them to ever come along. So I
think it's a real thin class and lacking of top
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end talent, but it's not as bad as twenty twenty two,
right where Kerdye Pickett that class whereas only one first rounder,
it's not completely breast of talent, but it's definitely a
down year at the position.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Does Dark remind you of bo Nix a little bit?
That's kind of what I see watching. That's why I
think he will go end up going in the first round.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
A little I mean body type wise, arm wise, the
way they throw. I think there's a lot of comparisons
to be made there. I thought Bow was just a
much quicker processor with Dart, I wasn't a huge fan
coming into this year. You watch the ole Miss offense
and it is comical what Lane Kiffin's doing there. From
like a NFL projectable standpoint, it's not even like half
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field greed. It's like one man Reyes. They're just reading
like a defender and he's making a decision off of that,
which that's fine, but you don't really know what that
guy's going to look like in the NFL. So I
thought that's why his Senior Bowl is so big from
and him looking like the best quarterback down there. That's
why you're getting you know, Rich Spielman saying he wouldn't
be surprised if he goes in the first round. But
I thought ball placement was much much better this year.
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And I think he's a little bit underrated of an athlete.
Uh you know, obviously he's white, so that's always going
to be an underrated trait for but.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Wow, that coming well, he's correct, He isn't lying. Uh huh, Mike,
let me let me ask you this. You just sat
there and you said, improved his draft status this week.
I wonder, and knowing that obviously the the combines and
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personal workouts will come come in you know, later weeks,
does this when when when you see them, you know, participate,
How important is it because you know guys are opting
out of playing in the Senior Bowls based upon you know,
going deep into the playoffs. Do you lose any traction
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by not participating on the even Shador he's not participating
in the senior Boys. He's there, but he's not participating.
Do you see this playing any type of role in
maybe not helping or hurting their their chances of improving
their draft stock going into the draft.
Speaker 8 (29:14):
I think it's very important for specific players. So for
Dark specifically, obviously, question mark is that offense that ole
miss What does he look like in a pro style
offense doing what he's going to be doing in the NFL?
And so he goes down the Seeder Bowl and all
of a sudden, that's what he's dropped into and has
to operate in that. So then looking good in a
completely different offense that's big for his stock. Now with Shadura,
you know, he's played four years of football, I don't
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think that's the question mark with him, is how he's
going to operate, you know, an NFL caliber offense with
what he did at Colorado, So I don't think it's
as important for him. But then you have other guys
like Gray's Abel, who's like a North Dakota State offensive
lineman who's switching from tackle to guard or center in
the NFL. This is huge for him because he's never
played in tier off of the line before, he's never
played NFL caliber talent before. That guy made himself a
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ton of money this week with his performance on the
football field. But other guys who are like already first rounders,
already top fifteen picks, played in the SEC. Maybe you
talk about some of these Ohio State guides that have
played the top competition. It's meaningless for those guys, you
know them, going to Senior Bowl is really just to
get exposure to coaches and GMS and interviews that they
wouldn't otherwise get. So it's really case by case basis.
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But basically for guys who need something, need a box
to tick that they haven't necessarily ticked on their collegiate film.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Right, Mike Greenner.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Joining us here on the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,
CBS Sports, NFL and Draft analysts. He is at the
Senior Bowl there and mobile. We've talked a lot about obviously,
you know, the age of the players coming out of
college with you know, the red shirts and extra years
and COVID years and all that stuff, they get older
and older. Have you noticed in talking with people there
any issues or concerns about the development of some of
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these players as far as transferring from school to school,
being able to opt out and go from place to place.
There been a disconnect from when they arrive in Alabama
getting ready for the draft.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Yeah, I know the guys who are like starting their
career at Georgia then go into USC and then to
Penn State. Those guys have like a red flag. Those
are the ones that scouts are like, Okay, we got
do some homework on this guy. No one likes that guy.
But I do think from a just a developmental standpoint,
it's good that you get guys from lower levels of
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collegiate football. They get to now play in the SEC
after two years improving themselves. Like, you get a lot
of guys who you know, you're looking at guys in
this class who you know, started at like a Charlotte
and then they transferred up and now they're playing Agains
the best competition. So I think it's helpful for a
lot of those. It's more helpful than not. But it
definitely it kind of exposes the red flag guys before
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they get to the NFL. The guys who are just
bouncing in the wins taking whoever is the highest bidder
for three straight years. Those are guys who don't necessarily
want on your football team. So I think actually is
helping evaluations guys staying longer, really getting to know who
they are, and getting to develop at the competition level
that they should be developing at before they have to
make that big lead to the NFL. So, if anything,
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I do think for an NFL evaluators, these are uh
you know, you're actually getting better evalves on these guys
because of nil and transfer portal being a thing.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Mike, I'm not sure if you know this. We actually
have Pete Prisco on for a weekly on our show,
and for folks who out there don't know, you get
to work with Pete Prisco. So my first question is,
how would you describe Pete Prisco.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Stout Portly, not physical.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I'm not asking for your scouting impression of his bills. Personality, character, personality.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
I'm going arm leanks first. I'm going body just out
of me. But after that, I mean, he's so a
lot of people think he's angry, and he's definitely like
a little angry, but he's more just like he is
unafraid to say his feelings, and sometimes his feelings trend negatively,
but he's gonna back down from a challenge and Oka
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more than happy to face it.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
So yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna ask you
a question and I want you to answer like Pete Prisco,
who has been the worst player, who had the worst
week at the Senior Pop this week that you're like,
my god, that was awful.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
Oh gosh, Okay. There is a quarterback from Canada named
Taylor Elgizma hadn't watched him going in, but like, I
can't remember what school he was from exactly, but the
guy just was not ready for the seenable competition. Unfortunately,
he had himself a pretty tough week try. I think
the cornerback group down there too, I don't want to
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name too many names.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Her Shallow had a rough time.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
Also. I didn't get to see Shallow at the seabol.
He actually wasn't on the field when I was there
at the Tribe Book. Excuse me what he was there?
So I didn't get to see him there. But uh yeah,
the wide receiver dB one on ones are not really
set up for corners to look good and this wasn't
a great wide receiver class, so there weren't a lot
of corners to write home about. Unfortunately, Seeable, you named.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
One Canadian guy, you can't name one other like mainstream
guy that you're like, he was projected high, but he
didn't have.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
A great week.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
Dion Walker, the Kentucky defensive tackle who he's huge, right
six foot he's the tallest defensive tackle, like since they
started recording that stuff in the database in two thousand
six seven and a quarter.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
He's got a weird build. He couldn't even fill out
his pants because I don't think they make camp for
that long. But then also because like he has like
these spindly legs, unfortunately for a guy that side, so
he's really top heavy. It's like this refrigerator on top
of uh stool two stool pegs. He can't play low
enough on the interior. So he had refs that are
(34:55):
good on the edge, like going up against tackles. But
I just struggle to see what he's gonna do at
the NFL level. That the guy that he can move
so well, i'd consider he's still twenty years old. I
consider ask him if you want to play off that's
that's a bill that could play it off of staff.
So that's just going to struggle to hold up against
double teams in the NFL, against like guards and centers.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Mike, do you have a before we let you go?
Do you have like a sneaky one to look out
for somebody that you think, based upon what you've watched,
could be, uh maybe a second, third, fourth round pick
that could be a potential star in the NFL. Somebody
that's your favorite.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
I love is David Walker from Central Arkansas. He's six
foot to sixty seven and he's an edge rusher who
if you tried once he goes to the bull rush.
I didn't see a single person even come close stopping
him this week. I mean that he said six foot
six foot sixty built like I mean, the guy over
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the explosive off the line of scrimmage and just plays
with a tenacity that I mean. I guess that he
dumped bull rush five times in the one on ones
and like every single time the tackle was running backwards.
He's just the guy that that's no one you talk
to any off tackle around the NFL. Those are the
guys they do not want to block. The guys who
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literally you cannot get leverage on them if you tried
because they're built so low to the earth. So he's
the guy that you know central Arkansas. The tape was insane,
but it's also low level competition. So see him do
it against guys who will play in the NFL next year. Yeah,
I felt pretty good about that.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
He blew up that organ tackle, right, was that one
of the highlights that went around social media?
Speaker 8 (36:26):
No, that was Mike Green the Marshal used to be.
He's going to be. He may be very well the
highest drafted guy there. He had a great week in
the two days that he was there.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Sure it is, Uh, Mike Renner, good stuff, man, Thanks
so much for doing it. Also your breakdown and the
specs on p prisk go. We can't wait to play
that for him at the super Bowl New Orleans next week.
So there he is, Mike.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
What do you call bortleyt Yeah, I mean he's in
scout mode there. It is the herd.
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Speaker 5 (38:45):
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Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, oh so Brian Music.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Who all right, Saiquon Barkley, he's getting ready to play
in the Super Bowl for the first time in his career.
Well not for the egos though, because regarding the last
time they were in the Super Bowl, they were taking
on the Chiefs of course, And this is what Saquon
Barkley had to say about that matchup. Of course I
was rooting against the Eagles. They had just knocked this
out of the playoffs. There was no part of me
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that wanted the Eagles to win that game. Well, of course,
two years later, two playoff wins over two thousand yards,
things are much different now for Saquon Barkley. Yeah, I
mean he's a root for them now. Like Sakwana, you
have a little bit of an edge. You just start
gambling on the game, you know what I mean, Like,
let's let's spiceen this up a little bit here, I mean,
(39:35):
do something, you know, take take a better oppression. Would
you say you're gonna go for more than one hundred
and twenty two rushing?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
And by the way, is there a path to victory
for Philadelphia if Saquon doesn't go off in that game?
It feels like he's kind of the lynchpin to that
entire team per usual. And if he doesn't have a
big day, they got no, they got no opportunities unless
Jalen hurts all of a sudden starts throw in a
downfield like he has an all year long.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Saying out of the straight jacket, Yeah, Okay, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I guess so, I would say it feels unlikely. I mean,
obviously we know how talented and aj Brown is and
even Demanta Smith, which sort of feels like an afterthought
at times, but just so much of what they've done
this year has been just built through. Is Saquon going
for over one hundred yards or not? I have a
hard time. I have a hard time seeing that play
(40:29):
out that way. Will Joe Shane watch the Super Bowl?
Do you think do you think he's gonna Actually, how
about this. Let's say Saquon does go off in the
Super Bowl. Do you want to be in the room
if Joe Shane is watching the Super Bowl? Oh?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
God, hell?
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Do you fire your GM in New York if they
went to Super Bowl and say no, Actually, I'd rather
want to be where John Mary is.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Oh yeah, that's where you want. That's the room you
want to be in, especially at bedtime.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Let's see how long it take Jonas he said he'd
have a hard time sleeping. Broh, Yeah, relax, relax.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I wrap up with this.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Panthers quarterback Bryce Young he had a rocky second season,
obviously gotten benched at one point during the year, but
did bounce back in a big way. End of the game,
end of the season three game stretch, seven touchdowns, no picks,
passer rating over one eleven. Well, his head coach, Dave Knalis,
here's what he had to say about Young. I just
got to give him all the credit handling it the
way that he did, with the maturity and attacking it
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and really positioning himself for the next opportunity, not knowing
when that would come, really taking on that challenge and
finding joy and playing the game again. So Bryce Young
sort of finding his footing towards the end of last season.
You know, justin Herbert got an opportunity to play because
Tyrod Taylor got stabbed by the team trainer.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, If Andy Dalton doesn't get in that car accident,
Bryce Young maybe never gets on the field again for Carolina.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Sorry to take way of looking at it.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
I'm just saying credit for how well he played. I mean,
he saved his great, He was awesome versus Atlanta to
finish the season, his best game as a pro. Hopefully
that'll give him some patience with him in the year
three to get another shot.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, jez A car Act, good job, Hey, least deal
you know stabbed you huh?
Speaker 5 (42:17):
You know, LeVar, I don't like your puncture. Would have
been better, but stabbed?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Would you say shift? That's that's just as bad as stabbed.
Let's get away from that.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Whoa, hey, you know what, Hey, Lvar, we don't really
appreciate your tone today.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
To be honest with you, Okay, you know what, don't
do it, you know what?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Find it. I'll lead if you don't do if you
don't want me to be on the show, I'll leave.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
A would say you, Alvar, Hey, you know what
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here hour two of this three hour extravaganza.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Get away day coming up in a couple.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Of days as we get set for the Super Bowl
in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
We will be there.
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at Radio Row. And who the hell knows who's going
to be walking the streets of New Orleans at.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
That time at that hour, So Lee, yeah, yeah, probably Lee,
probably our producer.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes, this we do know. He really is almost he
may not.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Be with us. He may be walking the streets.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Lee may not make it back. A lot of stuff
goes on on Bourbon Street. Man, I mean you guys, God,
I wish you guys could see him. He really, He's
going on, how many what are we? Forty five minutes sleep?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
He said, uh yeah, if that not that not quite
that much.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I had about a half hour. I don't know how
much of that was actual sleep.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Can I just go back to the question. I think
we've all brought it up. You must want to prolong
this relationship. If you're choosing to run it out only
for a month, talk to him. Can not just lower
the price and trying to sell it like just so
you can cut ties.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Tell him if I can sell it today, I would,
but I'll take the I'll take the month runt.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You're lying, dude, You're lying, Lee?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yes, why do you you?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
You know, habitual liars do not realize that they are lying, bro,
like you.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Have like Stockholm syndrome. Man, I'm just saying, there's something
going on here.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's not that bad, is it not?
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Lee?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Why we're in a crop top today?
Speaker 7 (02:22):
Jeez?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
It's a new fan Punky Brewster. He how's your computer doing?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I got a new charger. So on my third computer,
now on my third laptop, Well, why is that? Lee?
The other one got a little wet. Le didn't have
a flo How to get wet?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Lee? I don't know. I don't know. By the way,
it was nobody in the body of water. You weren't
in the body of water. That that that computer, that
laptop he.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Was taking for a frisbee. M bye.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Who By the way, Le doesn't use air tags. He
uses lifeguards to get his belongings back.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Hey, Lee, who thought that your.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Laptop was a frisbee?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I don't know. I just saw fly out the window,
that's all.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
What window? Whose windows? From your window?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That is correct?
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
All right, so there you go.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
All right, all right, So from from that and we'll
get to the bottom of whatever the hell's going on
there with Lee and why why Lee found out an
hour before the show he was homeless. Cam Newton, the
former NFL quarterback, is now making the rounds. He's not
(03:38):
a huge fan of uh, you know, Jason Whitlock and
some others.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
These days.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
There's been a lot of back and forth from Cam
and the media. If you're at a seven on seven tournament,
and you try and throw down with him, He'll just
control you with one r and slap your buddies around.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Will never lose his hat. He looked like Jean Claude
Van Damit, he afraid.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Did he have any more ks on him? Like any
rips in his close any amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Not even a wrinkle.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I've said I will say it before.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
He is an Adonis, Like he is one of the
most physically imposing people you have ever seen. Like you
you got to see when when defenders walk on the
field pregame and they see how big Cam was. Like
I remember playing against Been twenty twelve and I was
just like, dude, I was like, bruh, yeah, yeah, someone's
(04:32):
got to try to tackle him in our second the
same size?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
What are you?
Speaker 6 (04:36):
No, No, buddy, I swear to God when I stood
there and you like you look up like he I
don't know what he is. He's listed has if he's
six five six, No, he is like six foot seven,
he's he's closer to six seven.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Then I swear he is six five.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
He's I just and he can he can he deal?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
He was.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He was a bad dude.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Yeah, he's good at media. I mean he's he's a
lightning rod in media. I mean, people are paying attention
to him.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
He's basically Brady Quinn. Is what you're saying, Lebar the
black version?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, and a
little bit more athletic, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Ay Lee?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Can we run with that on Twitter? Brady Don Brady
Quinn is the white Cam Newton or Cam Newton is
the black Brady Quinn. If you just do that, I think,
very good looking dude, keep going over six foot four.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean definitely not music. You could attest to
this too correct Well. Not only is that, I just
want to know who has the better hat collection, because Brady,
I hear you get pretty close to some of these
things we've seen Cam Newton wearing.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Cam's hats are crazy where you actually actually, if we're
really going to call it someone for their hats on
this show, it's all you showed up with a fire
hat at a funeral.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I did what I did. It was a black hat.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I can't bring this up because it's listen, I know
that that is correct and and his and he had
perfect vision. He was able to see, like you know,
any uh any hammocks right.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
There was three takeaways from that funeral.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
There was at the gravesite.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I didn't want to see it, but some things you
just see.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was Levar's hat. I was like, oh, that's a
statement hat for a funeral.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
It was the It was it was your your in laws,
your family, and that car that I believe in hydraulics.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yes, yes man. It was like half the block with
with with with Tyrone the chauffeur.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
And and and a twine bailey in the back. And
that's six ten.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I've never seen someone pull up to a funeral.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I was like like Cam Newton sitting on someone's shoulders.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
He all I know is the Knox Brothers. Yeah, boys,
y'all got this stating for whips. I had no idea
what's all about. But y'all, y'all, y'all vehicles. I don't
get it.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
The last thing was is the the attire was risquet.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
B Uncle LeVar like a shot approve. I'm sitting there
saying my goodbyes.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
And while I'm looking to say my goodbyes, so was
I a red thong? I mean, I didn't know. I
couldn't look at the final flight.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Burial was like, brought the sling shot. I looked at
LeVar like did you just see that? He just gave
me that like very sly nod of like yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So just if we can peel back the curtain just
a bit, the curtain of the thong.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We just peeled back just a bit. We uh we all.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think it's the only time that this show has
ever all gotten together. Outside the show is at a funeral,
uh not not to be named. Who was who was
who was being lowered down? But somebody at the funeral
who was a a family member decided to go no
belt and red thong when they bent over to say
they're goodbyes, and LaVar was the first one to spot it,
(08:21):
like a draw spotted LeVar like a drone space You
are stupid.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I am not a hawk a like that.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I was looking at the we're looking at I was like, Wow,
that's a beautiful casket. Whoa what is that?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Like?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Why is that there?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
LeVar? Just one of these things don't belong here.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Everybody. It's like a somber moment. People are laying flowers
on the casket. It was that moment you just hear
LeVar in the background, Go, jeez, LeVar, you.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Saw the red Road and it matched the Red Falls
and that was what it.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Was, very Rose reddish and I don't know why I
remember that, but do you know?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
So from that over to Cam Newton, Yeah. Cam Newton
has some thoughts on the debate between MVP and Super Bowl.
Obviously an MVP winner, obviously not a Super Bowl winner,
did appear in one and this was his take on
First Take yesterday.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
I asked you, Cam, if you could give back that
league MVP for a Super Bowl championship, would you do it?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Nope?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Really? Really?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (09:33):
What's more important impact or championships? If we're being honest,
the impact of you holding yourself accountable to say everybody
has a responsibility to do.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And you could say, as an MVP.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Award winner or All American, you've hailed yourself or you've
hailed Joe into the bargain down, and that's what it
really comes down to for me.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I know that's not the popular pickup.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
I'm trying to be popularized, but my take is I'm
taking individual success because I did my job.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So there's Cam Newton discuss disagree with him.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
You guys could take it First, I don't disagree with
like all of it. So I would rather have a
super Bowl. I would rather have a chance, I would
have rather have a national title. I'd rather have a
super Bowl. But he's I mean, what is inaccurate about
what he's saying. If you've held yourself personally to the
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highest standard that you can, and you worked your now
if it came at the expense of others, if you
getting the award that you got most Valuable Player award,
which how would you be the most valuable player? If
you're costing your teammates, if you're costing the team games.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So to me, I.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Would I can understand the reasoning of saying that I'd
rather have the MVP title or whatever it may be,
based off of what I've helped myself accountable to to
what my level of play is going to be.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean, I don't have a problem with that. Let
me just put it this way.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
I think when he answered the question, he answered it,
but then he kind of pivoted to like a different conversation,
because what you're talking about are like two kinds of
separate things. To me, if you asked me and granted,
like I guess the only thing I can say is,
you know, when the Heisman, I won the Maxwell, right,
so that's a Player of the Year award. Would I
have traded that for a national championship? There is no
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doubt in my mind. And I think had I had
a successful enough career to ever win MVP or even
be a part of a team won a super Bowl,
to me, there's no hesitation.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You take the championship and take the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
And I think it's in part because you know, for
me person because because look, it's all about perspective, it's
all about how he feels like he won the MVP.
Now he's been to a Super Bowl, he lost it,
and so I would I would think from his perspective,
there's not too many other people that could kind of
understand what he's saying and how he's saying it and
why he wouldn't trade that. But I think for most players,
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most people, you would take the championship in part because
it's not such an individual thing. You get to share
that moment, that history. You know, it's one more than forever, right.
You hear that phrase all the time because you're gonna
forever be remembered in history together as a part of
that team that won a championship, and that, to me
is the ultimate thing about football. Like what I love
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about football is even as much importance as the quarterback
position has. And you might say, hey, it's the most
important position in all of sports. That may be the case,
but there's still a defense. There's still all these other
variables and pieces and people around you that it takes
in order for you to be able to win. It's
the ultimate team sport. Nothing else is even close in
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my mind. So because of that, I think the power
of winning a championship and all the people that it impacts,
your teammates, that coaches, for everything else to make it
come together and make it work, is that much more
powerful than just winning that MVP because there's no one
else that can share it with you. Like, yeah, you
can have guys that say many you guys help me
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win this Player of the Year and you help me
win this MVP aboard. That's great, but it's not impacting
them the same. They're not going to a super Bowl
with their family one day when they have kids and say, yes, son,
I remember when we came here and we won, Like
that's where this ring comes from. They're not sharing in that,
like those guys who are on Camp's team that year
don't have a ring that they're showing and saying, yeah,
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remember when Cam will that MVP, Like, here's my MVP
ring from you know, saying so. I think the difference
is and this is where I think there's a difference
in how people talk about leadership.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Leadership.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Some people would just say if it's doing the right
thing right saying doing the right thing, But there's an
element of accountability too. It's being the type of person
that's gonna be able to bring people along with you
in that sixth and hold them accountable for doing their
job too. Like doing your job is just not enough.
I know it's a phrase that people throw around a lot,
but I think the best teams have players who forced
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guys to come along with them and then that there's
kind of shared success in those championships. But if you're
doing your job the best your ability and you're doing
it so high that you win MVP, great, But ultimately,
like I don't think there's many players or many guys,
let's just put it this way, who've won MVP that
wouldn't trade that for a Super Bowl or for another
Super Bowl, they had one. I'll just put it that way.
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That's a very unique take. And I think some people
probably look back at that at that play in the
Super Bowl when there was the fumble and he kind
of didn't really go for it, and they're like, well, yeah,
kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I don't get that deep with it in terms of
him not going for the fumble. I mean, I didn't
like that you didn't go for it, But that man
did what I felt was like humanly possible to win
for that team, especially the things he accomplished that year.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I just I just look at it again.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
If I am going to be the best teammate, I've
got to get myself up in the morning. That starts
with me. I have to get myself out of the bed.
I gotta get myself to the facility. That starts with me.
I have to put in the work in the time
to study the plays and know the playbook and know
what I need to do.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
That starts and ends with me.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
The only way we can be great together and when
is if all the individuals on the team, knowing that
they're individuals, bring the best them. You got to bring
the best you. You got to be the best you
that you can possibly be. And I if you're going
to be measured and judged in a way where they say,
(15:47):
all right, you were the best of the best, of
being measured to the standard of what is the best
that comes to the table in terms of becoming an MVP,
I just I again, I don't think that there should
be an either or for one, I know it was
an either or question. I don't think that you should
have to give away the idea or the understanding that
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being the best you that you can be and being
recognized for that, I feel like that's ultimately going to
lead to all those things you just explained. Like for me,
I don't like we never won a national title in college.
I'm super close with my teammates. We're super tight.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I made it.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Into the Pro I mean into the College Hall of Fame,
and even when I went to the Pro Bowls and
in the league, like we're all going, like, let's go linebackers,
We're going whatever whatever it may be, We're going. I
know for certain that it's my effort and my accountability
to my teammates that's going to get me up every morning,
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that's going to have me run in that wind sprint
as hard as I possibly can. It's not to get
the personal award. It's to be the best teammate that
I can possibly be because I want us to win.
If that leads to me becoming a pro bowler, if
it leads to me being a Defensive Player of the
Year or anything like that, where I get an award
that recognizes my effort, then I'm not one again.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I'm not going to sit here and say I would
want the championship. But at the end of the day,
if if I got a personal award because of my effort,
my effort being being seen and being being you know,
recognized that way, I'm not going to have a problem
with it either. So for him to say he'd rather
have it, I don't have a problem. I don't have
an issue with his his mind or his reasoning behind
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wanting it. One of the examples he gave were quarterbacks,
you know, like Nick Foles, quarterbacks like Trend Dilfer, you know,
And there was another one. Brad Johnson was the other
quarterback that he gave, like, would I rather, you know,
trade my career with them? They won super Bowls when
never won an MVP, And I'm curious would he feel
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the same trading a career with Matt Stafford because staff
never won an MVP, but he's got a Super Bowl
Or Drew Brees never.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Won an MVP.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Thosebacks than the ones he gave a.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
But my point would be they don't have the MVP,
So would you trade your career for theirs? Which is
a bigger picture question. But I don't know how anybody
and Cam Newton's fantastic, but I don't know how you
could look at the career of Cam Newton and a
Drew Brees or Matt Stafford and say he had a
better run than they did. So in totality, I just
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I think this, And furthermore, if they win that Super
Bowl in twenty sixteen, they beat Denver, Cam Newton's probably
a Hall of Famer, right, I mean, he's got He's
got both with him.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
It's just kind of an interesting retrospective on it, you
know what I wonder.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
I wonder if his perspective too comes from like do
you remember at Auburn they won the national championship, he
won the Heisman Trophy and I think he played on
that team that you can go back and research this,
but they didn't have many draft picks. They might have
had like one or two, maybe three on the team.
And it was one of those championships, some one of
those runs where you're like, this guy was so dominant
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that he was superman, he was the entire team, and
so like there's elements of like he's kind of been
that right where he won that Player of the Year,
where he won that national championship and displayed all of that,
and so again maybe that impacts his perspective of when
he got in the NFL. And I think, and the
hard thing is when you get in the NFL, is
even as good as he was in that MVP season,
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it still wasn't enough to be able to win a championship.
And I think if had he phrased it and said, like,
here's the tough thing about answering that question, is.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Where you're going is correct? If you're going on, we
had an amazing team.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
But the problem is, even at my best, I wasn't
lucky enough to be in an organization or a part
of a team that we had enough to be able
to win it all. And that's the reality for I
think a lot of guys, I mean think about the
Green Bay Packers teams. There are Rogers has been the MVP,
and they make a run, but they get you know,
they get stop by the San Francisco forty nine ers.
You know, there's there's those years where it's like, despite
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the fact of like him play at the high level,
it's still not enough. And I think that's more of
the perspective that I thought he was going to lean
into when he answered it that yeah, I wouldn't trade
it because I feel like from my standpoint, like I've
been there as the best player and won a championship,
and I realized at the next level that it's not
enough to be even the best in the league. You
still have to have peace and help around you. And
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so I think, again that's why I go back to
what I initially said, it's the ultimate team sport, and
I think being able to share more in that and
you go back to Penn State all the time, Yeah,
I mean, and you were the defensive player of the year,
like when you finished there, like you were that guy.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
But the difference is.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
If you wouldn't I would trade it a hundred times,
if one hundred times, to have had it exactly.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Because because you know what they'd be saying hendon to
twenty twenty five, like, hey, James Franklin, Penn State. They
just got Jim Knowles, they got Christian Aller coming back,
the running backs are back the hole. Everyone besides the
number one overall pick, probably an Abdiel Carter is coming
back to try to go all into one, and it'd
be the first time since LeVar Arrington was here win
won one. Like that's what they'd be said. Every time
you'd go back, they'd remind you of that. And so
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that's I don't know. Again I would have answered it differently,
But I also think the way he went about answering
it didn't probably fully portray like the difficulty of to
just winning games in the NFL and getting the playoffs
and winning a Super Bowl. And I think it more
talks about too, like what the Chiefs are attempting to
do is ridiculous. I mean, really, what Patrick Mahomes and
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this team and Andy Ry have done since he started
and taken over is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
To that much sustained.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Success where all you know is that minimum the AFC
Championship game, if not what five or six you said
in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, for what is worth. If the Carolina Panthers
were on the trajectory that the Chiefs are on right now,
Cam Newton would have been the catalyst of it. Like
you guys said, whether we say Drew Brees or not,
you know, in terms of MVP or whatever it may be,
Drew Brees was the catalyst of how good that that
Saints team was. Then you're going to be recognized that way,
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even if you won a Super Bowl or you did it.
If they're on that trajectory, Cam Newton would have been
spoken of and in the same terms that we're speaking
of Patrick Mahomes. So either with the MVP award or
without it, he would have been spoken up in the
same exact manner, in the same exact manner. So, I mean,
you got the award, and you get to stand on
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the fact that you had the award. But at the
end of the day, I would I would rather be
able to stand there with knowing that I was a
key part of it. I'm one of the key reasons
why we won it all. But I would rather that
Cam Newton's numbers at Auburn that year just looking at
him again, oh stagger like over twenty eight hundred yards
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passing thirty touchdowns. Brou He's a unicorn.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Another almost fifteen hundred yards rushing and twenty touchdowns. The
guy had fifty one touchdowns. That year was the greatest season.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
It was the greatest single season in college football history
until Joe Burrows season for LSU.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Believable. That's the reality is.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
He had the greatest single season ever in college football history.
And people can challenge that all they want. When you
think of who is playing around him, what they went
through in the SEC to win it, and how dominant
he was. It was the greatest single season ever in
college football history until Burrow, who I think unseated him,
and mostly because of the path that they went on.
But even his stats were ungodly. I'm just ridiculous what
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he did. Animals In twenty.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
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in just a couple of moments from now with Mike Renner,
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a golden domer if I'm not mistaken, Ain't that right,
Brady Quinn, big time golden domer there from CBS Sports.
That's NFL and draft analyst, that's right. Who was there
at the recess? Yeah, I'm curious they hand out like
a free recisame Mike, thanks for joining us here. How
many bags of Reese's pieces did you go home with?
Speaker 8 (24:44):
I didn't get any of this year. I actually they
usually have him in the hotel and I didn't go
to the team hotel where they're all stank, so none
for me, thankfully.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I'm trying to So you didn't you didn't do your job, Mike,
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
I'm Ryan, Ryan Wilson rich s Field over here at TVs.
They were the ones interviewing the players that I was
getting to sleep in there.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
All right, So let me ask you this before we
get into this specifics player upon player position group that
you've been the most impressed with thus far.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
That's a good question. I think the tight ends down
there in Mobile, there's probably a handful of guys that
I see going on Day two of that class, maybe
as much as four that were down there, Which is
I mean for a tight end class down seat, Well,
that's a lot. So I mean there are other classes
that are going to have first rounders, Like it was
a pretty deep defensive line class as well. There's probably
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gonna be a handful of guys go in the Round
one by that class, But tight ends, like I think
this is a year where you can find a lot
of starters on Day two of the draft.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Mike, I want to ask you about the quarterback class.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
There's been a lot of talk of maybe some teams
looking at twenty twenty six, and especially coming off of
that twenty twenty four class, we had so many guys
go in the top what twelve or whatever it was.
How would you rate this year's class and how would
you order these guys?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Yeah, I mean, if he's compared to last year, there's
at least four guys that I would put above anyone
in this class. It's probably you talked to other people,
there may be as many as six. Like all six
of the first rounders last year they have higher grades
on than anyone in this class. So from that perspective,
its weak. But then like you look at Lash's class
and all six kind of look good, right, Like there's
no none of the first rounder is really crashed and
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burned out of the gate, So maybe that's not the
worst thing in the world. So it's not super deep
to me. It's a three man class in my opinion.
It's cam Ward, it's Shador Standers, and it's Jackson dark
I was talking to Rick Spielman yesterday, former GM Minnesota Viking.
He said he thinks Jackson Dart's going to be a
first rounder after his week in Mobile. Now, I'm not
willing to go that far, but I do think he's
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the most intriguing option if I'm taking a swing somewhere
on day two in this quarterback class, after those three,
everyone else is like, I see just back up or
intriguing project that you're gonna have to wait three or
four years for them to ever come along. So I
think it's a real thin class and lacking of top
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end talent, but it's not as bad as twenty twenty two,
right where Kerdye Pickett that class whereas only one first rounder,
it's not completely breast of talent, but it's definitely a
down year at the position.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Does Dark remind you of bo Nix a little bit?
That's kind of what I see watching. That's why I
think he will go end up going in the first round.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
A little I mean body type wise, arm wise, the
way they throw. I think there's a lot of comparisons
to be made there. I thought Bow was just a
much quicker processor with Dart, I wasn't a huge fan
coming into this year. You watch the ole Miss offense
and it is comical what Lane Kiffin's doing there. From
like a NFL projectable standpoint, it's not even like half
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field greed. It's like one man Reyes. They're just reading
like a defender and he's making a decision off of that,
which that's fine, but you don't really know what that
guy's going to look like in the NFL. So I
thought that's why his Senior Bowl is so big from
and him looking like the best quarterback down there. That's
why you're getting you know, Rich Spielman saying he wouldn't
be surprised if he goes in the first round. But
I thought ball placement was much much better this year.
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And I think he's a little bit underrated of an athlete.
Uh you know, obviously he's white, so that's always going
to be an underrated trait for but.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Wow, that coming well, he's correct, He isn't lying. Uh huh, Mike,
let me let me ask you this. You just sat
there and you said, improved his draft status this week.
I wonder, and knowing that obviously the the combines and
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personal workouts will come come in you know, later weeks,
does this when when when you see them, you know, participate,
How important is it because you know guys are opting
out of playing in the Senior Bowls based upon you know,
going deep into the playoffs. Do you lose any traction
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by not participating on the even Shador he's not participating
in the senior Boys. He's there, but he's not participating.
Do you see this playing any type of role in
maybe not helping or hurting their their chances of improving
their draft stock going into the draft.
Speaker 8 (29:14):
I think it's very important for specific players. So for
Dark specifically, obviously, question mark is that offense that ole
miss What does he look like in a pro style
offense doing what he's going to be doing in the NFL?
And so he goes down the Seeder Bowl and all
of a sudden, that's what he's dropped into and has
to operate in that. So then looking good in a
completely different offense that's big for his stock. Now with Shadura,
you know, he's played four years of football, I don't
(29:36):
think that's the question mark with him, is how he's
going to operate, you know, an NFL caliber offense with
what he did at Colorado, So I don't think it's
as important for him. But then you have other guys
like Gray's Abel, who's like a North Dakota State offensive
lineman who's switching from tackle to guard or center in
the NFL. This is huge for him because he's never
played in tier off of the line before, he's never
played NFL caliber talent before. That guy made himself a
(29:57):
ton of money this week with his performance on the
football field. But other guys who are like already first rounders,
already top fifteen picks, played in the SEC. Maybe you
talk about some of these Ohio State guides that have
played the top competition. It's meaningless for those guys, you
know them, going to Senior Bowl is really just to
get exposure to coaches and GMS and interviews that they
wouldn't otherwise get. So it's really case by case basis.
(30:21):
But basically for guys who need something, need a box
to tick that they haven't necessarily ticked on their collegiate film.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Right, Mike Greenner.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Joining us here on the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,
CBS Sports, NFL and Draft analysts. He is at the
Senior Bowl there and mobile. We've talked a lot about obviously,
you know, the age of the players coming out of
college with you know, the red shirts and extra years
and COVID years and all that stuff, they get older
and older. Have you noticed in talking with people there
any issues or concerns about the development of some of
(30:54):
these players as far as transferring from school to school,
being able to opt out and go from place to place.
There been a disconnect from when they arrive in Alabama
getting ready for the draft.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Yeah, I know the guys who are like starting their
career at Georgia then go into USC and then to
Penn State. Those guys have like a red flag. Those
are the ones that scouts are like, Okay, we got
do some homework on this guy. No one likes that guy.
But I do think from a just a developmental standpoint,
it's good that you get guys from lower levels of
(31:27):
collegiate football. They get to now play in the SEC
after two years improving themselves. Like, you get a lot
of guys who you know, you're looking at guys in
this class who you know, started at like a Charlotte
and then they transferred up and now they're playing Agains
the best competition. So I think it's helpful for a
lot of those. It's more helpful than not. But it
definitely it kind of exposes the red flag guys before
(31:51):
they get to the NFL. The guys who are just
bouncing in the wins taking whoever is the highest bidder
for three straight years. Those are guys who don't necessarily
want on your football team. So I think actually is
helping evaluations guys staying longer, really getting to know who
they are, and getting to develop at the competition level
that they should be developing at before they have to
make that big lead to the NFL. So, if anything,
(32:12):
I do think for an NFL evaluators, these are uh
you know, you're actually getting better evalves on these guys
because of nil and transfer portal being a thing.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Mike, I'm not sure if you know this. We actually
have Pete Prisco on for a weekly on our show,
and for folks who out there don't know, you get
to work with Pete Prisco. So my first question is,
how would you describe Pete Prisco.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Stout Portly, not physical.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I'm not asking for your scouting impression of his bills. Personality, character, personality.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
I'm going arm leanks first. I'm going body just out
of me. But after that, I mean, he's so a
lot of people think he's angry, and he's definitely like
a little angry, but he's more just like he is
unafraid to say his feelings, and sometimes his feelings trend negatively,
but he's gonna back down from a challenge and Oka
(33:14):
more than happy to face it.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
So yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna ask you
a question and I want you to answer like Pete Prisco,
who has been the worst player, who had the worst
week at the Senior Pop this week that you're like,
my god, that was awful.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
Oh gosh, Okay. There is a quarterback from Canada named
Taylor Elgizma hadn't watched him going in, but like, I
can't remember what school he was from exactly, but the
guy just was not ready for the seenable competition. Unfortunately,
he had himself a pretty tough week try. I think
the cornerback group down there too, I don't want to
(33:50):
name too many names.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Her Shallow had a rough time.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
Also. I didn't get to see Shallow at the seabol.
He actually wasn't on the field when I was there
at the Tribe Book. Excuse me what he was there?
So I didn't get to see him there. But uh yeah,
the wide receiver dB one on ones are not really
set up for corners to look good and this wasn't
a great wide receiver class, so there weren't a lot
of corners to write home about. Unfortunately, Seeable, you named.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
One Canadian guy, you can't name one other like mainstream
guy that you're like, he was projected high, but he
didn't have.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
A great week.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
Dion Walker, the Kentucky defensive tackle who he's huge, right
six foot he's the tallest defensive tackle, like since they
started recording that stuff in the database in two thousand
six seven and a quarter.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
He's got a weird build. He couldn't even fill out
his pants because I don't think they make camp for
that long. But then also because like he has like
these spindly legs, unfortunately for a guy that side, so
he's really top heavy. It's like this refrigerator on top
of uh stool two stool pegs. He can't play low
enough on the interior. So he had refs that are
(34:55):
good on the edge, like going up against tackles. But
I just struggle to see what he's gonna do at
the NFL level. That the guy that he can move
so well, i'd consider he's still twenty years old. I
consider ask him if you want to play off that's
that's a bill that could play it off of staff.
So that's just going to struggle to hold up against
double teams in the NFL, against like guards and centers.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Mike, do you have a before we let you go?
Do you have like a sneaky one to look out
for somebody that you think, based upon what you've watched,
could be, uh maybe a second, third, fourth round pick
that could be a potential star in the NFL. Somebody
that's your favorite.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
I love is David Walker from Central Arkansas. He's six
foot to sixty seven and he's an edge rusher who
if you tried once he goes to the bull rush.
I didn't see a single person even come close stopping
him this week. I mean that he said six foot
six foot sixty built like I mean, the guy over
(35:48):
the explosive off the line of scrimmage and just plays
with a tenacity that I mean. I guess that he
dumped bull rush five times in the one on ones
and like every single time the tackle was running backwards.
He's just the guy that that's no one you talk
to any off tackle around the NFL. Those are the
guys they do not want to block. The guys who
(36:09):
literally you cannot get leverage on them if you tried
because they're built so low to the earth. So he's
the guy that you know central Arkansas. The tape was insane,
but it's also low level competition. So see him do
it against guys who will play in the NFL next year. Yeah,
I felt pretty good about that.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
He blew up that organ tackle, right, was that one
of the highlights that went around social media?
Speaker 8 (36:26):
No, that was Mike Green the Marshal used to be.
He's going to be. He may be very well the
highest drafted guy there. He had a great week in
the two days that he was there.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Sure it is, Uh, Mike Renner, good stuff, man, Thanks
so much for doing it. Also your breakdown and the
specs on p prisk go. We can't wait to play
that for him at the super Bowl New Orleans next week.
So there he is, Mike.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
What do you call bortleyt Yeah, I mean he's in
scout mode there. It is the herd.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
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Joe filling in for Colin coming up next here, though,
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Speaker 4 (38:23):
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Speaker 5 (38:45):
No, no, no, heard on the news.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, oh so Brian Music.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Who all right, Saiquon Barkley, he's getting ready to play
in the Super Bowl for the first time in his career.
Well not for the egos though, because regarding the last
time they were in the Super Bowl, they were taking
on the Chiefs of course, And this is what Saquon
Barkley had to say about that matchup. Of course I
was rooting against the Eagles. They had just knocked this
out of the playoffs. There was no part of me
(39:14):
that wanted the Eagles to win that game. Well, of course,
two years later, two playoff wins over two thousand yards,
things are much different now for Saquon Barkley. Yeah, I
mean he's a root for them now. Like Sakwana, you
have a little bit of an edge. You just start
gambling on the game, you know what I mean, Like,
let's let's spiceen this up a little bit here, I mean,
(39:35):
do something, you know, take take a better oppression. Would
you say you're gonna go for more than one hundred
and twenty two rushing?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
And by the way, is there a path to victory
for Philadelphia if Saquon doesn't go off in that game?
It feels like he's kind of the lynchpin to that
entire team per usual. And if he doesn't have a
big day, they got no, they got no opportunities unless
Jalen hurts all of a sudden starts throw in a
downfield like he has an all year long.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Saying out of the straight jacket, Yeah, Okay, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I guess so, I would say it feels unlikely. I mean,
obviously we know how talented and aj Brown is and
even Demanta Smith, which sort of feels like an afterthought
at times, but just so much of what they've done
this year has been just built through. Is Saquon going
for over one hundred yards or not? I have a
hard time. I have a hard time seeing that play
(40:29):
out that way. Will Joe Shane watch the Super Bowl?
Do you think do you think he's gonna Actually, how
about this. Let's say Saquon does go off in the
Super Bowl. Do you want to be in the room
if Joe Shane is watching the Super Bowl? Oh?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
God, hell?
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Do you fire your GM in New York if they
went to Super Bowl and say no, Actually, I'd rather
want to be where John Mary is.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Oh yeah, that's where you want. That's the room you
want to be in, especially at bedtime.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Let's see how long it take Jonas he said he'd
have a hard time sleeping. Broh, Yeah, relax, relax.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I wrap up with this.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Panthers quarterback Bryce Young he had a rocky second season,
obviously gotten benched at one point during the year, but
did bounce back in a big way. End of the game,
end of the season three game stretch, seven touchdowns, no picks,
passer rating over one eleven. Well, his head coach, Dave Knalis,
here's what he had to say about Young. I just
got to give him all the credit handling it the
way that he did, with the maturity and attacking it
(41:30):
and really positioning himself for the next opportunity, not knowing
when that would come, really taking on that challenge and
finding joy and playing the game again. So Bryce Young
sort of finding his footing towards the end of last season.
You know, justin Herbert got an opportunity to play because
Tyrod Taylor got stabbed by the team trainer.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, If Andy Dalton doesn't get in that car accident,
Bryce Young maybe never gets on the field again for Carolina.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Sorry to take way of looking at it.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
I'm just saying credit for how well he played. I mean,
he saved his great, He was awesome versus Atlanta to
finish the season, his best game as a pro. Hopefully
that'll give him some patience with him in the year
three to get another shot.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, jez A car Act, good job, Hey, least deal
you know stabbed you huh?
Speaker 5 (42:17):
You know, LeVar, I don't like your puncture. Would have
been better, but stabbed?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Would you say shift? That's that's just as bad as stabbed.
Let's get away from that.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Whoa, hey, you know what, Hey, Lvar, we don't really
appreciate your tone today.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
To be honest with you, Okay, you know what, don't
do it, you know what?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Find it. I'll lead if you don't do if you
don't want me to be on the show, I'll leave.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
A would say you, Alvar, Hey, you know what
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