Colin’s top takes of the week!
He begins with the dominance of the Eagles run game and Saquon Barkley powering them to the Super Bowl, and why Jayden Daniels is poised to be a dominant force in the NFC for years (3:45).
Then John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” stops by to chop up the top stories in the NFL!
They discuss the importance of risk-taking, hyperaggressive general managers for building Super Bowl caliber rosters (13:00). They break down the talent gap between the Eagles and Commanders (24:00), why Saquon Barkley is an all-time running back talent (27:00), and scratch their heads at the Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer as their head coach (34:00)
Then, Colin’s joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1!
They shoot down the controversy surrounding the Chiefs getting help from the refs against the Bills (45:30) and in true Nick Wright fashion, Nick provides a laundry list of Patrick Mahomes stats to support his argument that Mahomes will be a Mt. Rushmore ATHLETE, not just quarterback… and why the partnership between him and Andy Reid has produced greatness(51:00).
They discuss why adaptability was key for the Chiefs beating the Bills and predictability was the Bills downfall and they talk about the massive disadvantage for defensive minded head coaches in the modern NFL (53:45).
They trade their “Most Wrong NFL Takes” from this past season and both involved Nick Sirriani and the Eagles (57:45). Finally, they discuss why Joe Burrow is completely screwed being stuck with bad Bengals ownership in a conference that’s stacked with quarterback talent.(1:04:00).
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Speaker 1 (01:08):
The Philadelphia Eagles, who have the best personnel in the NFL,
the best roster since probably about the Niners three years ago.
But the Eagles have a much better O line and
they're much better at quarterback. I don't know how Buffalo,
if they get to the Super Bowl, is going to
stop this. It's going to stop this offense they they today.
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I mean Washington obviously helped multiple fumbles, three fumbles, but
this roster is insane. I mean I went into this
game thinking winner of the AFC is super Bowl champs.
I mean, here's how good Philadelphia's roster is. You forget
Devonte Smith is on the team.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
They have to.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Engineer jet sweeps and little clever misdirection plays to get
in the ball. Otherwise you forget he'd be a number
one on a dozen teams in the NFL, number one receiver.
You forget he's on the team. I mean, they have
to work to get the ball to aj Brown, who's
a top five wide receiver talent in the NFL. Between
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Goddard Barkley Hurts, it's just again, it's they have an
elite player at running back, two at guard, two at tackle,
two at receiver, one at tight end, one at defensive tackle.
I think both their corners are really good. It is
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and Jalen Hurts makes just enough, just enough big throws
that you got to play him. Honest, he's he's I
think Jayden Daniels is better from the pocket. I think
Greg Cosel's been telling us all year, but he makes
he makes just you know, eighteen yard throws good in
the red zone.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It just this team is just insane.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I mean, think about let's go back to the beginning
of the season when the Giants allowed saque Arkley free
agent to go to Philadelphia, and we said it at
the time, it is this is as bad as GMing
gets Joe Shane of the Giants. It doesn't get any
worse than that. I always thought Reggie White to the Packers'
greatest free agent acquisition, Drew Brees to the Saints. I mean,
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Brady wasn't in Tampa long. Pretty damn good, right, Peyton
manning the Denver this feels like it's in the same class.
I mean, to let them go to your division rival,
I don't even I congrats on Joe Shane retaining his job.
It's as bad as it gets, and you could see
it coming from a mile away. This is Babe Ruth
to the Yankees. You could see it coming from yesterday.
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It was like a slow heavyweight fighter's right hook. Jerry Quarry,
look that one up telegraphed Philadelphia is a handful.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There's just not much out there I've ever seen like it.
There are drives throughout the course of a game, and
there are halfs for the Eagles that you just don't
know how anybody ever stops them. You know, Washington, you
know they'll sputter initially because you know, a defense has
all sorts of energy. But have you noticed what they're
doing in the second half. It just they wear people out.
They just wear teams out. That's why I said what
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the Rams did in snow for an indoor team to be,
you know, have a chance to win the game late
is insane. That like, keep your eye on the Rams
next year, because I mean, there was a point in
the second half I thought, okay, they're down fourteen points,
they're still in it, and maybe without the mistakes they
would be. But it is, you know, both teams we're
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in the top ten in the NFL and ten plus
play drives, and Washington's opening eighteen play drive, I thought
I would have gone for it. By the way, my
take is take twenty two plays, score a touchdown, get
into Philly's head. I mean, you have to take chances
like the fake punt. You have to take chances against Philadelphia.
You don't have the same personnel.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You're on the road.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The fake punt. I would have gone for it in
that opening drive, just just twenty two plays in a touchdown,
get into Philly's head. You're not getting into anybody's head
when you settled for a field goal. But I feel
like in this game, I did not feel the Eagles
were under coached. Now, mid second quarter, when Barkley only
had three carries, I'm like, let's go, let's not outthink
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the room. But I think Philadelphia is coached well enough
to win a Super Bowl, and their personals insane. I mean,
I'm telling you, I'm thinking of the last roster that
was this good, the Seahawks, when the Seahawks had Russell
Wilson on a rookie contract and they went and got
Cliff Averell to rushed the passer and Percy Harvin as
a gadget player. I mean, they barely played Percy Harvin
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because he had those migrat headaches that Seattle team had.
They had just so they had a great player in
every unit, safety, corner, pass rusher, weapon, elusive quarterback, start,
running back. Old lines back then were better, probably the
best at Pete Carroll's NFL coaching career. So I think
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Philadelphia I worry that Jalen Hurts will be forced to
play from behind. I don't love him there, but you
know what, he's good enough. He's good enough. This roster
is just ridiculous. Now, good news for Washington. You're going
to be back in this game several times over the
next decade if Jade Daniels stays healthy. Terry McLaurin sixteen
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touchdowns this year. That's as much as or more than
the last three years combined. So we've always said quarterback
leads the receiver. You can have the world's best receivers.
You can go get Larry Fitzgerald when he had better quarterbacks.
You put have better numbers in Arizona. So you know,
Terry mclaurin's always been good, he's a great player. Now
spec tact their player quarterback drives the wide receiver. So Washington,
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I think is well coached. Cliff Kingsbury, in my opinion,
should remain in Washington. Several years, play out your contract
until there's a great job opening. There really isn't. I
thought New England was about as good a job opening
as you're going to have to ownership. Drake may decent
defensive personnel, but if I was Cliff Kingsbury, stay put.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And I remember.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Before the draft, I was lucky. I had a really
good source that said Washington is going to draft Jade Daniels.
There was a lot of questions about Drake may going
to and I, you know, I'll say this. I was
told very early Kingsbury pounded the table for Jaden Daniels.
He saw him, he thought, this is the offense. I'll
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mold this guy very quickly. And two weeks into camp
I was told that Kingsbury was like, he's better than
I thought, and the kids spectacular. He's so good from
the pocket, so clever, so smart, and he has a
quality that you could confuse it with being emotionally remote,
like he doesn't. He's not somebody that is high spirits
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and high fiving. I think that wears well. I think
his ability. He doesn't pout, he doesn't sol, that's different,
but he is emotionally into the moment. You know, you
don't see his emotion. He doesn't wear it. And I
think that temperament is so important. Listen, Baker Mayfield has
done a great redemption to her. He wears his emotion
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on his sleeve, and because of that, he throws a
lot of picks and he's reckless. I love Sam Darnold.
Sam Donald gets very emotional amped up. You don't get
that with Jaden and Daniels. It's just same temperament, and
that is going to pay major dividends. I didn't think
he was overwhelmed. He didn't have half the team. He's
got one weapon. He's got Austin Eckler, but I mean,
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I mean zach Ertz good players. But I mean mclaurin's
a special player. So I got realms and reams and
notes that I'll get to more of the Eagles with
the former Eagle scout John Middlkoff later. But that fourth
and twelve they went for it when Daniels got sacked
in the fourth corner.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
That was all she wrote.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Just I mean, I'm you're watching the same thing I
am with Philadelphia. Sweet Jesus, is this roster insane? It
will be the best roster in the Super Bowl. It
will be the best roster I can think of except
for the Niners. And I won't even say that. The
Niners were not this stacked on the offensive line, and
Hurts is a better quarterback. But in the red zone,
(09:20):
good night, you pick your poison.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Good night.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I get the tush push, actually is you can at
least when they run the tush push, you know the direction,
the dimension where Philadelphia is going. They have the ability.
They have a couple drives today and you're sitting there
thinking to yourself, and I like to guess the call
before the play. I mean my entire life watching football,
I'm trying to kind of guess what they're doing. I
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can never guess Philadelphia except the tushpush. That's the only
time I know what they're doing. But when I think
they should go to Saquon, they don't. And then I
think where's Devonte Smith and they get it to him.
I mean, a gutsy call on fourth down they throw
it up to sideline to aj Brann. That would have
been the last thing I would have been visioned or predicted.
So the play calling today I thought was really good.
(10:06):
I'm just not a fan of the tushbush congrats to
the Commanders for remarkable season and drafting. What I believe
is the Patrick Mahomes of the NFC for the foreseeable future.
When I look at Kansas City and I look at
that front seven defensively, and I look at Brett Veach's
drafting and I look at Howie Roseman's drafting, is you know, GMS,
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we don't pay a lot a lot of attention outside
of moneyball. We don't pay attention. I mean the Dodgers
just go buy the best players, right. We don't talk
about Andrew Friedman, even though he's excellent. It's mostly there
in baseball. We talked about how much money can Steve
Cohen spend in the NBA. Once you draft a star,
the GM's just trying to find rotational guys around the star.
In the NFL, there is a gap in quality of
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general managers, and to me, not just because their teams
are good. I think how he Rollsman's one. I think
Brett Veech's two depending on the draft. And I don't
think I love Andy Reid, but in Philadelphia he didn't
have this kind of talent. I mean it took Brett
a couple of years to get this receiving core right.
(11:16):
Remember that's the hardest position to draft in the first round.
It has the most misses in the last twenty years.
But I think they're buttoned up now going forward.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, one thing when I got to Philadelphia I learned
is O line D line comes first. And in my
four years of drafts when I first got there, Brandon
Graham was our first round pick. My second year, Danny Watkins,
he was a flop, but he was offensive lineman, first
round pick, Fletcher Cox's first round pick, Lane Johnson first
round pick. You know, was not saying you can't draft
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other positions, but that's where you win in this league
is on the fronts, and I mean that's been a
separating factor for the Eagles. Think about this too. It's
not like Andy doesn't love skill guys. He wants traded
for Terrell Owens. He drafted to Shawn Jackson. He loved
Tyreek Hill. But they had a tough decision a couple
of years back when it came to Tyreek Hill, and
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what did they do. They traded him so they could
go all in on Chris Jones. They chose one of
the two guys, and they not only chose the right guy.
Then they parlayed that in the McDuffie and Karlovskis. You know,
I mean Bill Belichick could have drafted Karloskis, he traded
out so Andy Reid could trade up and get him.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, so you had Karloskis to go with Chris Jones,
to go with a great coordinator, to go with a
fantastic secondary, and the one thing the Chiefs en listened.
It starts with Kelsey and Mahomes, but they just have
a lot of high level, high football IQ tough guys.
It's not actually this sexy like there's not a bunch
of Jerry Rice's and Ray Lewis's. I mean, it's not
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the sexiest like NFL films all time great sound bites.
It's just kind of old school, boring, high level cats
who you know, the one thing and listen, I know
a lot of people in that organization were not a
place where you get to sit in the training room
on Wednesday and Thursday. Our guys practice. Obviously, if you're
legitimately insured, you don't have to practice, but this is
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not like we coast through once the season. Listen, there
are a lot of players You're like, yeah, here, this
guy doesn't practice much during the week and has it
in years that shit doesn't fly there and their star
got Travis Kelsey's like the hardest practicing guy on the team.
In fairness, Tyreek always was for them too, but it
just got so expensive and they really value that. And
I'd say it.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Shows right well, and II.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Belichick did too, and they had twenty years of kicking
everyone's ass.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Show me the warm Weather or Dome team dynasty. If
you look at Pro football New England, cold, private, covert,
intense physical, Philadelphia, intense, emotional, physical, Kansas City, you start looking,
go find me the great dynasties in warm Weather. Years ago,
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careful when you live in a port city like a
Miami or a New Orleans. The players you draft you
get real silly, really finesse really quick. Guys want to
go out, the girls are pretty, their restaurants everywhere, the
outdoor scene.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You go to.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
The NFL, the one sport in our country that is
physicality based as football. It is not a coincidence that.
I mean, listen, I'm saying this with respect to Buffalo
and Baltimore. They're ass kicking towns like people work hard,
they shovel their snow for the players. If football is
a physical game, I mean last two national champions, Ohio
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State and Michigan pushed people all over the field for years.
The SEC BAM and George's offenses were hit and miss.
Their defenses were intimidating and violent, and there is something
to be said about the physical nature. I mean that
we have now a Kansas City and a New England dynasty.
Two New England dynasties and the Kansas City Dynasty in
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Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, let's pivot to the Eagles fifty five The
Commander's twenty three. So I mean listen, I think I
bet the Eagle. This was my favorite bet the last
two weeks have been the Eagles. I like the Eagles,
I like the over.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So I hit on that.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And my take is, I think we just have to
be Washington today was a better story than a team
is that they were missing their best D linemen, their
best O lineman. Jaden Daniels is a remarkable player. Terry McLaurin,
I mean, this kid, now what finally has help? But
(16:56):
I couldn't help but watch that game and is the
game war on? It felt like you were watching a
major league team and a great Triple A team like
Washington just didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Have the players.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And you know, I think, you know, it would be
one thing to say, hey, Washington had a great effort,
but I thought they I mean, they had their fumbles,
they had multiple turnovers. They reminded me a little of
the Houston Texans. They just aren't quite there yet. They
need another draft, they have a lot of cap space,
they need about four free agents, three to four starters
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in the draft, and then that game's going to look different.
But I just felt you were I just felt physically
Philly is so big. I mean, aj Brown is a
tight end on Washington. They're so big, they're so physical,
and Washington has two great players McLaurin and Jade Daniels,
several good players, and two of their good players were
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out the old linement and paying the d linement.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Well, I heard a stat that the turnover discrepancy of
teams that had won in the playoffs and teams they
lost in the playoffs coming into this weekend was twenty
one to three. So if you told me to start
the game that Washington was gonna have a bunch of
turnovers and fumbles and the Eagles were not, I would
say they have no chance because it's pretty evident how
good Jayden Daniels is Like in texting people to Philly,
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they think he's like a thirty year old all pro.
That's what they were preparing for. Those were the words
coming out of Fangio. That's how they approached the game
plan week But when I looked at the matchup, there
might be under two players for Washington that start for Philadelphia.
Two players Terry McLaurin and I'm not counting Jaden Daniels.
So you just the talent discreptancy, Like the Bills, Chiefs
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got more players that would start for the Bills, but
the Bills still have a lot of high level guys,
So it might be forty five, fifty five or forty sixty.
We're talking like ninety five to five that in that game.
And as that game went and they started fumbling, it's
just like, you, you can't do this on the road.
So like, honestly, I think they're two years away from
being even remotely close to a team like Philly, And honestly,
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like when the Lions are healthy and some of these
other teams, I mean, they have such a head start.
This was just to make the playoffs and be a
one and done would have been the most incredible story
we've ever seen. I think it's crazy. And the game
really got away from Washington toward the end of the
third early in the fourth quarter. I think Jayden Daniels
a remarkable player. I think he's one of the best
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players I've ever seen, given the circumstances of the team
he's playing within his age.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Remember remember when Andrew Luck got the Colts to the
AFC Championship, I think against New England and they got
the shit kicked out of him, and you were like,
this is That's what I felt like. I like, oh
my god, this quarter Now, I think it was in
Luck's third fourth.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It was third because he because he went to the
playoffs his first three years and he got farther each year.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, and it was so I felt the same way.
I'm like, boy, this young quarterback is really good, but
this roster has no business being in the AFC Championship. Washington.
Washington's roster is not as good. It's not as good
as Green Bays. It's not as good as the Rain,
It's not as good overall as the Seahawks, the Lions,
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so Minnesota. So it's a great story. You know, I
wrote down a lot of different things during this game,
and you know, it's weird. When it comes to Philadelphia.
Saquon Barkley, I feel like he's faster than Walter Peyton
and maybe not as strong as Peyton. He's definitely not
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as clever or shifty as Barry Sanders, but he's clever
and shifty. But he really is. He really is an
ald timer. I mean, first of all, you get high
end speed, you get it quickly. Because of his size.
You know, he's got that sort of a shorter size,
so he's hard to see behind the Eagles O line,
so he kind of bursts out of the cloud or
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the fog. He can run you over, he can make
you miss. I always think whenever you see a great player,
I remember this. I remember this.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
In golf.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You can see a guy like Brooks Kopka, you're like, yeah,
he's just bigger and stronger than people, or Tiger in
his prime. But a lot of times you'll watch a
pro athlete like Larry Fitzgerald and you're like, yeah, he's fast,
but he's he's not that fast. I mean he's big,
but he's not is he that big? And then you're
just like, Larry Fitzgerald is always open and hung onto everything.
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And you just watch certain athletes you're like, man, they
make it look So it has to be a combination
of like intelligence, instinct, workout, work ethic. It's a combination.
Sequon's one of those guys where when you watch him,
it just it looks easy, like he just makes great
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players look so bad with one step. That and that
to me has always been the difference between very good
and great to like, oh that's all time stuff? Is
that Like Reggie White would just bat good offensive lineman
out of the way, like literally, with this off arm,
he would bat them away and you're like.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Okay, that's just different than everybody else.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Saquon to me is a top five to six running
back I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I mean, I think a lot of positions if you're
drafted like he was, and it's polarizing when you take
a running back number two overall because so much out
of your control. His old line sucked. They had never
had a passing game. So if you have no passing
game and you have no offensive line, you could be
Barry Sanders with Walter Bayton. It's going to be a struggle.
I grew up on Barry Sanders. They had Herman More,
they had an explosive passing game. Obviously, he was a
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special player. But I wrote down three guys because I
think there's a chance, if he stays healthy, he could
have this second kind of lease on life in the
NFL and become like a Hall of Fame guy. Now.
Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, and Marshall Falk were all guys
that like after their third or fourth year, Curtis Martin
went to the Jets, Bettis went to the Steelers and
Marshall Falk went to the Rams. Curtis Martin was really
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good on the Patriots, and Marshall Falk was really good
on the Ramps right, and Jerome Bettis was solid. Now
I don't put Jerome Bettis quite on those two guys level,
but like Saquon, I would say most people described his
careers like, eh, it was kind of underwhelming. It just
wasn't going well. It wasn't his fault because you're watching
him on this team. How about the way that game opened.
They went like twenty five plays washing it on that
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first drive, they got like seventeen fourth downs, and they
ended up kicking a field goal. And I saw Jeff
Schwartz tweet this out. He's like, God, it reminds me
a lot of Notre Dame. If that's what you have
to do to start a game and only get three points,
it's gonna be a long game. The Eagles go one play,
he does like three to sixty, bounces off another guy
cuts it back for sixty five seventy yards. You're like, uh,
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this does not feel It was insane that at one
point in time this game was fourteen to twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Because after that.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Drive and then another early drive. You're like, this thing
could get out of hand, and Washington, and this where
Dan deserves credit, Jaden deserves credit, kept it kind of.
I mean twenty seven to fifteen at halftime. Yeah, it
probably should have been like forty to seven at halftime,
but Washington fought and then the wheels came off. But
when you have and this is where, when Jalen's healthy
and they have a running threat with the quarterback and
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the running back, what are you really gonna do? I mean, Colin,
they ran for seven touchdowns today, ran for seven touchdowns
and the two of them combined. I mean what Saquon
add he had two and Jalen had three.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I mean, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
The Eagles will never lose a game if they're getting
that type of production in the running game.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Ever, I want to talk about this. This was.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's pretty remarkable, So let's talk about Let's give this
ten minutes, so it has to be the most embarrassing moment.
The Eagles have now been to eight NFC championships and
four Super Bowls since the Cowboys have been to one
conference championship. So Philadelphia is separated as franchise but the
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Cowboys announced Brian Schottenneimer as the head coach on a
Friday night news dump, late, late, late Friday night.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Now it makes me believe.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
That either Jerry Jones was caught completely flat footed by
Mike McCarthy choosing to leave, or it's some sort of
plan to get the number one pick next year, because
Schottenheimer is a nice guy, but he is a bounce
around the league, never really like getting opportunities at the
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highest level. Jag Seattle can't really maintain jobs. I said
this the other day. Their lack of urgency on Dak's
contract crushed them, and their lack of urgency on hiring
a coach. It's hard to explain. I don't know how
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to explain it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I think it's pretty clear. You know Jerry Well, the
news dumps very telling, right. Jerry runs his franchise for
the last definitely the last fifteen twenty years like a
television show. He literally was just on one of the
more popular ones in the country. You can't tell me.
I mean, if Jerry liked the hire, he would have
put this thing out in the middle of the night
on Sunday or first thing Monday morning, so everyone talked
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about him all week Friday night ten o'clock, not Friday
night ten o'clock Eastern. I mean this was late after
the country might have been asleep. I think he thought, Listen,
they knew coming into the season that Mike McCarthy was
on his contract was ending, so we all knew that.
We assumed Mike McCarthy was fired. And then Black Monday
came and Mike was not fired. We're like, well, clearly,
(26:36):
and people have been talking, maybe they're just gonna keep him.
Jerry thought he could just give him some fake two
year contract, like Mike, where the hell are you gonna go?
And pretty clear Mike might have misplaced his hand a
little too, because I think he thought he could get
the Bears job. Yeah, but I think Mike realized kind
of maybe halfway or toward the end of that week,
as he wanted Jason Witten on his staff, Jerry was
(26:56):
just gonna kind of bend him over, like, hey, Jerry,
I've made a lot of money in the last few
fifteen years, Buddy, I don't need you, and I'm not
just gonna acquiesce to everything you want and basically told
him to kick rocks. And I think Jerry thought the
whole time he could essentially give him like a two
year contract. You know, think about this, Jerry just hired
Brian Schottenheimer. Jerry's kind of cheap, Like, that's one thing
that's pretty telling. Jerry's not these Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel
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making twelve, thirteen, fourteen. Mike McCarthy was making seven million
dollars right now. Granted he was hired five years ago,
but he was on a seven year, million dollars. That's
one of the lower paid coaches in the league. Would
you guess Brian Schottenheimer is making more than seven million dollars.
There's a decent chance that Brian Schottenheimer's the lowest paid
coach in the NFL. I think we know what Ben
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Johnson makes. We know Pete Carroll ain't making seven We
know Bileam Cohen just got twelve or thirteen million dollars.
So Jerry's a little cheap. He misplayed his hand. And
you'd been saying this, and I've always defended Jerry a
little bit. He is really in his Al Davis phase now,
like they are. That was sometimes you fire a coach
whatever it's time, but go through that week and then
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eventually break up with Mike McCarthy and end up a
week later with Brian Schottenheimer. And once upon a time,
Brian Schottenheim remember when he was Rex Ryan's OC and
they were with Mark Sanchez. He was like thirty seven,
thirty eight years old, he was viewed as a head coach.
That was fifteen years ago. Was the last time Brian
Schottenheimer had a head coaching interview? Has he had one
in a decade? Now? That's not the end all be all,
(28:25):
But why would you fire Mike McCarthy, who has accomplished
stuff and then hire his offensive coordinator who's not some
valued candidate, doesn't It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He didn't even call plays. Yeah, McCarthy, you know, it's
not It's not below Jerry to actually make calls dissuading
people from hiring Mike McCarthy because Mike McCarthy suddenly was
a hot candidate. Now he's not even getting interviewed, and
he's clearly the best candidate on the market.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I mean, the Saints, what are the Saints going to do?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
He'd obviously the best candidate is I think, you know,
and I've said this, if Lebron didn't go to the Lakers.
The Lakers are the Cowboys. They're just circling. I mean,
lebron Is literally saved the franchise. They were Kobe's last
five years. I think they're the worst win lost percentage
in the league. It could be wrong, but it was.
It was really bad. So it's just, you know, it's
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just one of those things where it's not a coincidence
when people like Andy Reid are successful all the time.
It's not a coincidence when certain gms have good draft.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Classes over and over and over.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And I think that Dallas Cowboys the last couple of
draft classes have been a weak. I mean they've missed
on their their first I mean they hit on Ceedee
Lamb and Micah, but their last two first round picks
have been weak. They got worked by Dak Prescott again.
They're just they have really fallen to me, John and
I don't take any pleasure in saying this. They've become
a little like Cleveland. They're a little like the Jets.
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They're not as chaotic, but they're they're really a second
tier franchise. Like they're they're not even and there, they
are not remotely close to a top five NFC roster.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Forget AFC, they're not there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
They could they could be the eighth, the ninth best
roster in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Now, well, think about this. You just hit on. They
haven't been to the conference championship game since what ninety six?
The Eagles just since that foal So Foles and then
the last two Jalen have not only been to three,
they won them. I mean the last two they played
Minnesota with Foles, they blew them out. Jalen against the
Niners they knocked out Purty, blew them out. And tonight
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they scored fifty five points. So they've been to three
super Bowls in the last what eight years? Seven years?
So you are in a different stratosphere than them. And
then Washington sells the team. They get a real coach,
a superstar quarterback, and a real GM and they're gonna
start lapping you. If I'm a Cowboy fan, Thank god
the Giants have their own issues or we would. It's
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that night for a guy that knows just I mean,
one thing he's great about is getting people to talk
about his team. I mean, it's why he talks twice
a week. No other owner says a peep column. None
of them talk at all. It's not like they don't
have Biggie. They realize, what's the point, Why am I
going to say a word? Most gms? Do you notice
how many gms come on your television show throughout the
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year sparingly here and there, But they let the coach
and the players talk during the season, right, it's not
their time. Jerry talks twice a week, sometimes three times.
And I don't blame anyone from talking to him because
he gives you incredible quotes. But that's not a healthy
way to operate. It's just not And I thought that
it was overblown a little bit when remember when the
story came out, Dak said, they have fans walking around
(31:41):
the facility. But once you start losing, you start going. Well,
where Jerry's priorities right now? It's like, does he just
want to save some money here with Brian Schottenheim or
did he get into a situation that he never thought
he'd be in and then didn't know who to talk to.
Of course, Dion wasn't that interested. He's Dean, doesn't answer
to anyone in Colorado. Jerry tell him everything to do.
That is the other you go work for the Cowboys,
(32:02):
like you listen Woody Johnson. These days bug you with
dumb ideas. Jerry's literally telling you, like who to play
when to play him, you know, like football, like he
thinks he's Al Davis lost his mind. But at one
point in time, Al Davis really new football, Like does
Jerry really know? Like is Jerry watching tape?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No chance.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I don't even blame him. But I also wouldn't be
an owner if I'm not watching tape telling you what
to do?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
You know, I don't get to watch other shows except yours, Nick,
because a lot of times I'm on the air. I
pulled into the parking lot when Dan Patrick goes on,
so I never get to hear Dan, who does a
great job.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I don't get a watch like Steven Air on.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Her shows because either I'm prepping for my show, doing
for my show, or driving home.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I when I worked at the other place, I was
there for the New England Dynasty, a big chunk of
it in the eleven years, and it was great.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I was I. You know, my friends were all either
New York Giant fans or.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Patriot fans, and I never thought the Patriots were the
most talented team, although I did think the Randy Moss
years were damn good.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I thought I heard a lot of this stuff about officiating,
and I was always like, oh shit, I did think
the Bills got a first down, but there were thirteen
minutes left, and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I'm kind of a.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Believer, and I've said this, I think to you and
others when people used to complain about Jordan getting all
the calls of the Warriors, I would always say this,
how many turnovers did you have and how many free
throws did you miss? If the answer combined is twenty,
I don't care about that.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Go either way.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Called in the fourth quarter right like, you had eleven
turnovers and missed nine free throws, I'm not going to
listen to you. I thought Buffalo was incredibly lucky. They
fumbled four times and recovered all of them. I've never
heard of that in a playoff game, well in my life.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
No, Colin. They there were five fumbles in the game
because Mahomes fumbled and Buffalo recovered all five. Now, as
far as back as the record books go, first playoff
team ever to do that and lose, Like, it's very
hard to go five for five fumble recoveries and not
win the game. They got very fortunate on that.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, my take on the entire game was very much
like Matt Hasselback. Matt Hasselback and I and Drew Brees
and I agreed that Sean McDermot acknowledged after the game. Yeah,
on the fourth and one stuff, you know, we just
kind of let Josh, you know, and we just kind
of figure, Josh, we're gonna kind of let him do it.
(34:48):
And I'm like, Annie Reid has never once said, you know,
I'm just gonna let Mahomes kind of do it. And
I've been on this now since you've known me at
f S one for eight years. I think offense coaches
are better with star quarterbacks than defensive coaches. And one
of the things I've said about Brady is where Brady
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really deserves credit. He won with Arians, he won with Belichick,
Charlie Weiss, he won with like six different people because
remember Bill didn't really run the offense. It was whoever
the coordinator was. Is that I do think, and this
is not a shot at Mahomes all of us in life,
some kids grow up with really doting, rich parents and
(35:29):
supportive parents and some kids grow up in chaos. Is
Mahomes would be successful regardless, But do you think it's
crazy to consider that if Mahomes and Alan's switch coaches,
that Alan would have more super Bowls today than Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Oh yes, I do think that's crazy. I don't think
you'd have more super Bowls than Mahomes. And I think
that Listen. I think Patrick is going to go down
as a Mount Rushmore athlete, not football player athlete, and
I think that he is has a special innate ability
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that right now, no other quarterback in like the people
have been beaten over the head with the Mahomes stats,
but some of them are just like impossible to believe.
So he already now has more the more playoff victories. Yeah,
when his defense allows twenty nine points than any quarterback
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in NFL history, So he has four, He has won
four playoff games. Was even's allowed twenty nine points? That's
Tom did it. I think Peyton did it I think
three times, and Tom did it once orrive vice versa.
But no one's done that that. Patrick has played twenty
and then I'm gonna get to the Josh Allen piece
of this. Patrick has played twenty playoff games. Okay, eleven
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of them were what I would call easy wins. They
were leading in the fourth quarter, led the whole way.
The nine games Colin that he was not that he
trailed in the fourth quarter, six of them he won.
One of them he forced overtime against New England, never
touched the ball, another one he forced overtime against Cincinnati,
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did not come through and lost. And the other one
they were down thirty one to nine against the Bucks
entering the fourth. So again, and put a little finer
point on that. In his playoff career in the fourth
quarter trailing by one score, he has had fourteen possessions.
They have tied or taken the lead thirteen times and
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so and the one time he didn't, he then got
the ball back and did it.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So do you believe, though, that Andy Reid is a
is a oh prominent part that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
One hundred percent, absolutely, But I also believe the knock
on Andy, before Patrick came into his life, was brilliant
play designer. But in these exact moments I'm describing, gets
tight and messes up the clock or situationally isn't buttoned up.
That's how you lose a twenty eight point lead to
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the Colts with Alex Smith. That's how you lose an
eight and in the playoffs an eighteen point lead to
Marcus Mariota. You know, Andy was the chiefs coach when
those things happened. So I think it's the perfect marriage.
I think Andy is the perfect preparer of offense and
plays and all of it, and Patrick is the steadiest
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hand in the world. And so to me, it's like
the most brilliant medical school professor pairing up with the
most naturally gifted surgeon ever, Like he is gonna give
you all of the tools and then you're gonna have,
you know, be the one with the steady hand, going
to do it. So that parted, and I think Josh
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is excellent. I also think that Josh had the ball
of three and a half minutes left down three and
got seventeen yards and zero points. And that's a year
after getting the ball back with six minutes left down
three and got forty yards and zero points. Like that's
not Patrick, that's not Andy. That's in those moments the
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fourth and five play, Josh was excellent first down, second down,
he was not, which set up the third and ten,
which set up the fourth and five. Here is the
thing I want to say about the sneaks, Colin, and
this is where I'm surprised. More teams don't, more contending
teams don't take a page out of the Chiefs notebook.
(39:53):
Why at some point during the year didn't the Bills
say internally, Okay, guys, I think we pretty much well
know how to run this snake. Can we work on
a couple other short yardage things? So thank you? A.
Teams have to prepare for other things. And b even
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though we've been basically undefeated on it, if somebody has
a wrinkle that can stop it, we have a pivot point. Instead,
they just ran the same thing all year because it
was so successful, and that's that should be the lesson
of the Chiefs. The Chiefs early in the year, people like, oh,
Kelsey's washed, and it's like, okay, he's obviously slowing down.
(40:38):
But is it is it that he's washed, or is
it that they are saying, hey it it hasn't happened
in years. But what if someone in a playoff game
takes him away. Let's make sure Xavier Worth he's ready,
Let's make sure everybody else is ready, and then in
the AFC Championship game, he has his worst game in
five years in the playoffs, and other guys step up.
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If you're contending for a championship, sometimes preparing to win
the title is not the same as making sure every
single possession of my Week seven game against the Jets
is the highest EPA. And that's where the Chiefs have
been brilliant, and that's where the Bills, I think, have
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not been.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, I don't think fans understand this if you watched.
I mean, I'm not going to give away where I
heard this, but it comes from a good source. Belichick
can't even speak offensive football like defensive coaches. They don't
really understand offensive football. That's not what they do. And
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one of the things I've always pointed to, and I
think I'm the only guy talking about this regularly pat
myself in the back. Have you noticed how offensive coaches
can rearrange the deck chairs with an offensive line within
an off season and fix it. And he's done it
twice ing the season, movement based and left multiple times.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
This year.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
They were terrible the first five weeks. By the end
of the year, Stafford never got touched. Defensive coaches can't
do that. Tomlin's on seven straight years of battle lines.
I mean, Jeff Schwartz showed during the playoff loss, the
Steelers offensive line mayhem, they didn't know where they were going.
I mean they were literally often pulling to the wrong place.
Offensive coaches speak the language of offense, and the league
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has pivoted to reward them. It's almost like if Trump.
You know, when Trump goes out and says, hey, I
am pro you know bitcoin, cryptocurrency, I am pro cryptocurrency. Well,
you know that benefits people in the industry, Like the
NFL's basically said over the last ten years, we're gonna
go offense. We're gonna literally change the game. And so
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there's a big chunk of these defensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
They don't speak it.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
They don't speak it, they don't understand the language and
what you're asking, which is why wouldn't they create a
second play? Well that's not that's not their natural instinct,
that's not who they are. Andy Reid in the off
season will send me plays he's working on that he
found on YouTube from Rose Bowls in the forties, Like hey, hey,
I'm I'm not gonna tell you what I'm gonna use this,
(43:20):
don't share this and look at this play. That's not
what defensive coaches do. And I think advantage the great.
So what do you think they should do? Because the
thing is because because the.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and
I also it's like, but there isn't a the proven
excellent offensive coach available. B Belichick took the Carolina job,
so it's not like, hey, let's just get better situationally,
and you know, even in short term, he's beaten Andy,
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he's beaten Patrick. And I understand the folks who are like, man,
if it's been this long, you haven't broking through against
this team. Even if McDermott's an excellent coach, sometimes what
happens to Mark Jackson to elevate to Steve Kerr as
Brew talks about, needs to happen. I get all that,
But can you take the risk of this part of
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Josh Allen's prime of we're handing the reins over to
a first time unknown head coach because he's an offensive guy.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, No, I think Listen. I think so was Sean McVay,
and so is Matt Lafleur. Right, I think he was
all the guys who failed, Like you know what I mean,
go ahead, No, Sean McDermott. I think my comp has
always been Chuck Knox. I'm saying this is my age.
But Chuck Knox was known as an organizer, highly competent,
B plus coach, Seahawks bills. If you were a shit show,
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he got you on the right path. But he was
called ground Chuck because the playoffs would come, and like
Marty Schottenheimer, he got hyper conservative. And I just think
that's your fate in life. Is that sometimes Nick, You know,
let's just take our business for instance. Is that some
people in my age don't do social media. I think
it's a huge disadvantage. I do a ton of social media.
(45:06):
I've got a TikTok clip on Brawnie today. It'll get
three million people. I feed into it.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I'm into it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Not everybody's sixty plus with gray hair is into all
these social media platforms. The world we're in has changed.
TV doesn't drive all the business. I'm comfortable with it.
There are other things in other industries people aren't comfortable with.
The NFL's culture has changed. It's all offense, and so
a lot of these defensive coaches. They're beholden to hiring
the right OC and the minute you know Josh McDaniels
(45:34):
and Brady leaves bella check screwed. There's nothing he can do.
He didn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Let's both think.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Of something where we were the most wrong we've been
all football season. So I'll give you what it is
and why it is, and I'll let you think. So
you know, this is how I think, I love, I
think it matters. I want my quarterback to have a
little artist but mostly be an accountant.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I want you to go.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I want you to be have kind of Matt Ryan,
Jalen Hurt's personality justin Herbert stand up there, talk about
the team, put out fires, be in line. Brady's as
good as anybody for as big as star as Mahomes is.
He really always just says nice things. He's really he's
figured out.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
My buddy, my former intern started interrupts in Kansas City,
and who I'm sure hates that I always call my
former intern because he's now the afternoon drive host on
six ' ten in Kansas City and has been for
a long time. He has a weekly interview with Patrick
Mahomes and has had it for years, and God bless
Carrington Harrison, who does a great job. That poor guy
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never ever gets any news out of it because Patrick
says nothing. Like He's had a weekly exclusive interview with
Patrick Mahomes for five years, and if you ever played
one clip of it on your show, the answer is
probably not, because Patrick is just so im to say nothing,
just say absolutely nothing, but go ahead. So and that's
(47:05):
how I like my quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I've said this Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield, Jamis Winston, Cam Newton.
If I see ego, if I see self importance, if
I see Jay Cutler grumpiness, I just do not like it.
And I think I've overwhelmingly been right. So I watched
Nick Suriani's opening press conference. It's the worst I've ever seen.
He's terrible at the podium, he wore a jersey at
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the last time after last win. He's yelled at fans,
he's gone after players, and he's had position coaches hold
him back. His methodology stinks, and yet they love him.
And I'm like, this is ridiculous. This is the exact
opposite of what I want my coach to be. And
(47:49):
so I've come to try to figure it out, and
I went and watched In Chicago, I went and watched
the comedian Sebastian Menacawsko, a very very funny guy, great performer.
He minds me a lot of Chris Rock. He's like
all Lee in his prime. I mean, he's got the look,
the physical He's really a performer, very funny, and a
lot of his act is is Italian family and how
dysfunctional and how they yell at each other and the
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love is so deep and embedded in the family. And
I've learned this. Cultures are different. There are couples that
argue and that yell at each other, and I'm like, oh,
this isn't gonna work. And they've been married thirty seven years,
and I imagine the makeup sex is great, Like they
just get along.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It just works.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
And I've come to terms with Siriani is that in
a highly emotional city with a highly intense GM and
fan base and radio media that's just barking and make
he just fits. He is the family member. He can
handle the bs, he can handle the noise. He's sometimes
he's half fan. I just thought this is not He's
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very dependent on coordinators.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Here's the thing. Man, everything you're saying is fair, I
still can't get there with him. Like everything you're saying true,
here's what's also true. Had they blocked Jalen Carter they
being the Rams on that third down in round two.
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I think it's possible he was fired ten days ago
if after that up thirteen against the Rams with Jalen
Hurts injured, and then up six when he called that
bootleg roll play action roll out on second and seven
that resulted in a dozen yard sack and all of
a sudden, Stafford's driving down the field down six, chance
(49:39):
to steal the game. I think they might have gotten
rid of him now. Instead, he's a game away from
having the greatest start to a career any coach. Ever,
I don't know what to make of it. I because everything,
every instinct I.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Have says, well, this guy's just a dofis the same.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
But you have, like, if any position should be judged
based on their record, it should be head coach. And
his record is historically good. So I don't it really
tests a lot of my beliefs of what should and
what does work in the NFL. And so yeah, this one,
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I mean, this offseason, they totally you know what's the
word that's always used in political Twitter. Definishtrated him, I
think is the word. They didn't even let him pick
his own coordinators, you know what I mean. Early in
the year, he's freaking out, yelling at his fans after Quinn.
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Even after the NFC championship game, Jalen hurts, it's like, yeah, coach,
finally let me out of my straight jacket. Like that's
a weird thing the whole. So, I don't know, but
they haven't lost a game that Jalen started and finished
in four months, and they're playing in the super second
(51:03):
Super Bowl in two years or in three years. So yeah,
that one baffles me. That's my worst. I was basically
perfect on my AFC preseason takes.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Saying I will not predicting. It's become a very easy
conference in the standings to predict.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
And so I got and I could not have been
more wrong about the NFC. So I obviously famously had
the Bears not only making the playoffs or winning the conference,
but I also had the Eagles missing the playoffs. I
did it. I had Washington finishing ahead of the Eagles,
and my rationale was, man, something really weird happened last
year to that team, and I don't trust this coach
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to pull them out of it. And I also thought
Saquon Barkley would be good but not great for them,
But instead Saquon had one of the greatest years any
running backs had in the history of football. Can I
ask you a question, sure, yeah, go ahead, after this year,
take this year out of it. This group of quarterbacks,
the Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar, that group, they're all twenty
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eight to twenty nine. Let's say optimistically they all have
ten more good years. That's probably on the high end,
but let's give them a decade, ten more seasons. The
twenty twenty five season onward Man, at least one of
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those guys is never making much less winning a Super Bowl.
Like moving forward, so I know Joe's already made what
because here's the way I was thinking about it. I'm like, okay,
because everyone's like, do you think Josh will eventually get one?
And intellectually I'm like, yes, of course, he's the second
best player in the league. Of course he'll get one.
But then I'm like, well, wait a minute, Okay, So
(52:54):
in the next ten years, let's say Patrick slows down,
he only makes four of the Andy Reid retires. Yeah,
so let's just say Pat. Let's say Patrick only makes
four of the next ten, so there's six. So that's
six for Lamar, Josh, Joe. I know, you've got Justin
(53:15):
Herbert getting the one eventually, Bo Nicks, CJ. Stroud and
we're talking about ten years. So it's also a couple
more generations coming into the league like these guys, All
of these guys being in the AFC is devastating for
the resumes they're trying to build well.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
And the one that's in trouble is Joe Burrow. The
Bengals had to sell naming rights to the stadium to
pay his contract. People don't understand this. The gentleman who
first of all, the Bengals don't have any money. They
don't have any money. It's just like the poorest ownership group.
Joe Burrow knows it. They had to sell naming rights
to a stadium to pay him. They started peeling off
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players even before they paid Jamar Chase. They're peeling off.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Of them now.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Safety Yeah, and they're already peeling off players. They are
the opposite of the Eagles. They are anti risk and reward.
They take no risks. Tobin, the general manager, has been
there forever pleasant, very nice guy, got no power. I mean,
the Brown family runs the organization. They are essentially a
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Triple A operation in Major League Baseball that happens to
have Joe Burrow. People make fun of the Raiders. The
Raiders because of some new ownership groups that have come
in are flushed with cash. That's why they can pay
four coaches and three general managers. They got nothing but money.
They got Mark Davis has nothing but money, and the
Raiders are a brand. And also it's Las Vegas. It's
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a growing city. There's real money there, no state tax,
very attractive place. Cincinnati, they got no money. Burrow, They'll
never have a stacked roster. The only time to really
be great with him was when he was on the
rookie contract. When they pay Jamar Chase, they're on a money.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
I feel terrible for him. Joe Burrow would need to
be superhuman. I mean, this year he was as good
as he's ever been. They couldn't make the playoffs. Herbert's
gonna get better with Harbaugh, Like that's gonna only get better, right,
That's what I'm saying, Like, you're just Herbert. I think
Burrow is the one in trouble.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
And here's the other. Here's the other concern for all
those guys. Will they may be different for Joe because
he's done it, But will those guys be able to
play Patrick Mahomes beat him, which is part of the hypothetical,
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and then psychologically be able to recenter and be like,
that wasn't the super Bowl? Not like we we like
that's the thing that I would worry about for the Bills.
Not I do think Listen, Mahomes is not going to
go undefeated against Allen in his career. In the playoffs,
they will win. But man, if next year the Bills
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finally beat the Chiefs in the playoffs, it's gonna be
really hard to psychologically then reset and be like, actually,
the next game's the tougher, bigger one. And so that's
we have Never I can't remember a time when it
felt this disproportionate in quarterbacking talent conference to conference, and
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what it's gonna mean for these guys kind of legacies
when it comes to who they were as far as
winning players or winning championships.
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
The Philadelphia Eagles, who have the best personnel in the NFL,
the best roster since probably about the Niners three years ago.
But the Eagles have a much better O line and
they're much better at quarterback. I don't know how Buffalo,
if they get to the Super Bowl, is going to
stop this. It's going to stop this offense they they today.
(01:31):
I mean Washington obviously helped multiple fumbles, three fumbles, but
this roster is insane. I mean I went into this
game thinking winner of the AFC is super Bowl champs.
I mean, here's how good Philadelphia's roster is. You forget
Devonte Smith is on the team.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
They have to.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Engineer jet sweeps and little clever misdirection plays to get
in the ball. Otherwise you forget he'd be a number
one on a dozen teams in the NFL, number one receiver.
You forget he's on the team. I mean, they have
to work to get the ball to aj Brown, who's
a top five wide receiver talent in the NFL. Between
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Goddard Barkley Hurts, it's just again, it's they have an
elite player at running back, two at guard, two at tackle,
two at receiver, one at tight end, one at defensive tackle.
I think both their corners are really good. It is
(02:31):
and Jalen Hurts makes just enough, just enough big throws
that you got to play him. Honest, he's he's I
think Jayden Daniels is better from the pocket. I think
Greg Cosel's been telling us all year, but he makes
he makes just you know, eighteen yard throws good in
the red zone.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It just this team is just insane.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I mean, think about let's go back to the beginning
of the season when the Giants allowed saque Arkley free
agent to go to Philadelphia, and we said it at
the time, it is this is as bad as GMing
gets Joe Shane of the Giants. It doesn't get any
worse than that. I always thought Reggie White to the Packers'
greatest free agent acquisition, Drew Brees to the Saints. I mean,
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Brady wasn't in Tampa long. Pretty damn good, right, Peyton
manning the Denver this feels like it's in the same class.
I mean, to let them go to your division rival,
I don't even I congrats on Joe Shane retaining his job.
It's as bad as it gets, and you could see
it coming from a mile away. This is Babe Ruth
to the Yankees. You could see it coming from yesterday.
(03:40):
It was like a slow heavyweight fighter's right hook. Jerry Quarry,
look that one up telegraphed Philadelphia is a handful.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There's just not much out there I've ever seen like it.
There are drives throughout the course of a game, and
there are halfs for the Eagles that you just don't
know how anybody ever stops them. You know, Washington, you
know they'll sputter initially because you know, a defense has
all sorts of energy. But have you noticed what they're
doing in the second half. It just they wear people out.
They just wear teams out. That's why I said what
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the Rams did in snow for an indoor team to be,
you know, have a chance to win the game late
is insane. That like, keep your eye on the Rams
next year, because I mean, there was a point in
the second half I thought, okay, they're down fourteen points,
they're still in it, and maybe without the mistakes they
would be. But it is, you know, both teams we're
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in the top ten in the NFL and ten plus
play drives, and Washington's opening eighteen play drive, I thought
I would have gone for it. By the way, my
take is take twenty two plays, score a touchdown, get
into Philly's head. I mean, you have to take chances
like the fake punt. You have to take chances against Philadelphia.
You don't have the same personnel.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You're on the road.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The fake punt. I would have gone for it in
that opening drive, just just twenty two plays in a touchdown,
get into Philly's head. You're not getting into anybody's head
when you settled for a field goal. But I feel
like in this game, I did not feel the Eagles
were under coached. Now, mid second quarter, when Barkley only
had three carries, I'm like, let's go, let's not outthink
(05:16):
the room. But I think Philadelphia is coached well enough
to win a Super Bowl, and their personals insane. I mean,
I'm telling you, I'm thinking of the last roster that
was this good, the Seahawks, when the Seahawks had Russell
Wilson on a rookie contract and they went and got
Cliff Averell to rushed the passer and Percy Harvin as
a gadget player. I mean, they barely played Percy Harvin
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because he had those migrat headaches that Seattle team had.
They had just so they had a great player in
every unit, safety, corner, pass rusher, weapon, elusive quarterback, start,
running back. Old lines back then were better, probably the
best at Pete Carroll's NFL coaching career. So I think
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Philadelphia I worry that Jalen Hurts will be forced to
play from behind. I don't love him there, but you
know what, he's good enough. He's good enough. This roster
is just ridiculous. Now, good news for Washington. You're going
to be back in this game several times over the
next decade if Jade Daniels stays healthy. Terry McLaurin sixteen
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touchdowns this year. That's as much as or more than
the last three years combined. So we've always said quarterback
leads the receiver. You can have the world's best receivers.
You can go get Larry Fitzgerald when he had better quarterbacks.
You put have better numbers in Arizona. So you know,
Terry mclaurin's always been good, he's a great player. Now
spec tact their player quarterback drives the wide receiver. So Washington,
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I think is well coached. Cliff Kingsbury, in my opinion,
should remain in Washington. Several years, play out your contract
until there's a great job opening. There really isn't. I
thought New England was about as good a job opening
as you're going to have to ownership. Drake may decent
defensive personnel, but if I was Cliff Kingsbury, stay put.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And I remember.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Before the draft, I was lucky. I had a really
good source that said Washington is going to draft Jade Daniels.
There was a lot of questions about Drake may going
to and I, you know, I'll say this. I was
told very early Kingsbury pounded the table for Jaden Daniels.
He saw him, he thought, this is the offense. I'll
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mold this guy very quickly. And two weeks into camp
I was told that Kingsbury was like, he's better than
I thought, and the kids spectacular. He's so good from
the pocket, so clever, so smart, and he has a
quality that you could confuse it with being emotionally remote,
like he doesn't. He's not somebody that is high spirits
(07:50):
and high fiving. I think that wears well. I think
his ability. He doesn't pout, he doesn't sol, that's different,
but he is emotionally into the moment. You know, you
don't see his emotion. He doesn't wear it. And I
think that temperament is so important. Listen, Baker Mayfield has
done a great redemption to her. He wears his emotion
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on his sleeve, and because of that, he throws a
lot of picks and he's reckless. I love Sam Darnold.
Sam Donald gets very emotional amped up. You don't get
that with Jaden and Daniels. It's just same temperament, and
that is going to pay major dividends. I didn't think
he was overwhelmed. He didn't have half the team. He's
got one weapon. He's got Austin Eckler, but I mean,
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I mean zach Ertz good players. But I mean mclaurin's
a special player. So I got realms and reams and
notes that I'll get to more of the Eagles with
the former Eagle scout John Middlkoff later. But that fourth
and twelve they went for it when Daniels got sacked
in the fourth corner.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
That was all she wrote.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Just I mean, I'm you're watching the same thing I
am with Philadelphia. Sweet Jesus, is this roster insane? It
will be the best roster in the Super Bowl. It
will be the best roster I can think of except
for the Niners. And I won't even say that. The
Niners were not this stacked on the offensive line, and
Hurts is a better quarterback. But in the red zone,
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good night, you pick your poison.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Good night.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I get the tush push, actually is you can at
least when they run the tush push, you know the direction,
the dimension where Philadelphia is going. They have the ability.
They have a couple drives today and you're sitting there
thinking to yourself, and I like to guess the call
before the play. I mean my entire life watching football,
I'm trying to kind of guess what they're doing. I
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can never guess Philadelphia except the tushpush. That's the only
time I know what they're doing. But when I think
they should go to Saquon, they don't. And then I
think where's Devonte Smith and they get it to him.
I mean, a gutsy call on fourth down they throw
it up to sideline to aj Brann. That would have
been the last thing I would have been visioned or predicted.
So the play calling today I thought was really good.
(10:06):
I'm just not a fan of the tushbush congrats to
the Commanders for remarkable season and drafting. What I believe
is the Patrick Mahomes of the NFC for the foreseeable future.
When I look at Kansas City and I look at
that front seven defensively, and I look at Brett Veach's
drafting and I look at Howie Roseman's drafting, is you know, GMS,
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we don't pay a lot a lot of attention outside
of moneyball. We don't pay attention. I mean the Dodgers
just go buy the best players, right. We don't talk
about Andrew Friedman, even though he's excellent. It's mostly there
in baseball. We talked about how much money can Steve
Cohen spend in the NBA. Once you draft a star,
the GM's just trying to find rotational guys around the star.
In the NFL, there is a gap in quality of
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general managers, and to me, not just because their teams
are good. I think how he Rollsman's one. I think
Brett Veech's two depending on the draft. And I don't
think I love Andy Reid, but in Philadelphia he didn't
have this kind of talent. I mean it took Brett
a couple of years to get this receiving core right.
(11:16):
Remember that's the hardest position to draft in the first round.
It has the most misses in the last twenty years.
But I think they're buttoned up now going forward.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, one thing when I got to Philadelphia I learned
is O line D line comes first. And in my
four years of drafts when I first got there, Brandon
Graham was our first round pick. My second year, Danny Watkins,
he was a flop, but he was offensive lineman, first
round pick, Fletcher Cox's first round pick, Lane Johnson first
round pick. You know, was not saying you can't draft
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other positions, but that's where you win in this league
is on the fronts, and I mean that's been a
separating factor for the Eagles. Think about this too. It's
not like Andy doesn't love skill guys. He wants traded
for Terrell Owens. He drafted to Shawn Jackson. He loved
Tyreek Hill. But they had a tough decision a couple
of years back when it came to Tyreek Hill, and
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what did they do. They traded him so they could
go all in on Chris Jones. They chose one of
the two guys, and they not only chose the right guy.
Then they parlayed that in the McDuffie and Karlovskis. You know,
I mean Bill Belichick could have drafted Karloskis, he traded
out so Andy Reid could trade up and get him.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, so you had Karloskis to go with Chris Jones,
to go with a great coordinator, to go with a
fantastic secondary, and the one thing the Chiefs en listened.
It starts with Kelsey and Mahomes, but they just have
a lot of high level, high football IQ tough guys.
It's not actually this sexy like there's not a bunch
of Jerry Rice's and Ray Lewis's. I mean, it's not
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the sexiest like NFL films all time great sound bites.
It's just kind of old school, boring, high level cats
who you know, the one thing and listen, I know
a lot of people in that organization were not a
place where you get to sit in the training room
on Wednesday and Thursday. Our guys practice. Obviously, if you're
legitimately insured, you don't have to practice, but this is
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not like we coast through once the season. Listen, there
are a lot of players You're like, yeah, here, this
guy doesn't practice much during the week and has it
in years that shit doesn't fly there and their star
got Travis Kelsey's like the hardest practicing guy on the team.
In fairness, Tyreek always was for them too, but it
just got so expensive and they really value that. And
I'd say it.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Shows right well, and II.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Belichick did too, and they had twenty years of kicking
everyone's ass.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Show me the warm Weather or Dome team dynasty. If
you look at Pro football New England, cold, private, covert,
intense physical, Philadelphia, intense, emotional, physical, Kansas City, you start looking,
go find me the great dynasties in warm Weather. Years ago,
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I talked to a guy about this. He said, be
careful when you live in a port city like a
Miami or a New Orleans. The players you draft you
get real silly, really finesse really quick. Guys want to
go out, the girls are pretty, their restaurants everywhere, the
outdoor scene.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You go to.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
The NFL, the one sport in our country that is
physicality based as football. It is not a coincidence that.
I mean, listen, I'm saying this with respect to Buffalo
and Baltimore. They're ass kicking towns like people work hard,
they shovel their snow for the players. If football is
a physical game, I mean last two national champions, Ohio
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State and Michigan pushed people all over the field for years.
The SEC BAM and George's offenses were hit and miss.
Their defenses were intimidating and violent, and there is something
to be said about the physical nature. I mean that
we have now a Kansas City and a New England dynasty.
Two New England dynasties and the Kansas City Dynasty in
the last twenty four years, and both are known as intense.
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Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, let's pivot to the Eagles fifty five The
Commander's twenty three. So I mean listen, I think I
bet the Eagle. This was my favorite bet the last
two weeks have been the Eagles. I like the Eagles,
I like the over.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So I hit on that.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And my take is, I think we just have to
be Washington today was a better story than a team
is that they were missing their best D linemen, their
best O lineman. Jaden Daniels is a remarkable player. Terry McLaurin,
I mean, this kid, now what finally has help? But
(16:56):
I couldn't help but watch that game and is the
game war on? It felt like you were watching a
major league team and a great Triple A team like
Washington just didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Have the players.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And you know, I think, you know, it would be
one thing to say, hey, Washington had a great effort,
but I thought they I mean, they had their fumbles,
they had multiple turnovers. They reminded me a little of
the Houston Texans. They just aren't quite there yet. They
need another draft, they have a lot of cap space,
they need about four free agents, three to four starters
(17:30):
in the draft, and then that game's going to look different.
But I just felt you were I just felt physically
Philly is so big. I mean, aj Brown is a
tight end on Washington. They're so big, they're so physical,
and Washington has two great players McLaurin and Jade Daniels,
several good players, and two of their good players were
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out the old linement and paying the d linement.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Well, I heard a stat that the turnover discrepancy of
teams that had won in the playoffs and teams they
lost in the playoffs coming into this weekend was twenty
one to three. So if you told me to start
the game that Washington was gonna have a bunch of
turnovers and fumbles and the Eagles were not, I would
say they have no chance because it's pretty evident how
good Jayden Daniels is Like in texting people to Philly,
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they think he's like a thirty year old all pro.
That's what they were preparing for. Those were the words
coming out of Fangio. That's how they approached the game
plan week But when I looked at the matchup, there
might be under two players for Washington that start for Philadelphia.
Two players Terry McLaurin and I'm not counting Jaden Daniels.
So you just the talent discreptancy, Like the Bills, Chiefs
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got more players that would start for the Bills, but
the Bills still have a lot of high level guys,
So it might be forty five, fifty five or forty sixty.
We're talking like ninety five to five that in that game.
And as that game went and they started fumbling, it's
just like, you, you can't do this on the road.
So like, honestly, I think they're two years away from
being even remotely close to a team like Philly, And honestly,
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like when the Lions are healthy and some of these
other teams, I mean, they have such a head start.
This was just to make the playoffs and be a
one and done would have been the most incredible story
we've ever seen. I think it's crazy. And the game
really got away from Washington toward the end of the
third early in the fourth quarter. I think Jayden Daniels
a remarkable player. I think he's one of the best
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players I've ever seen, given the circumstances of the team
he's playing within his age.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Remember remember when Andrew Luck got the Colts to the
AFC Championship, I think against New England and they got
the shit kicked out of him, and you were like,
this is That's what I felt like. I like, oh
my god, this quarter Now, I think it was in
Luck's third fourth.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It was third because he because he went to the
playoffs his first three years and he got farther each year.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, and it was so I felt the same way.
I'm like, boy, this young quarterback is really good, but
this roster has no business being in the AFC Championship. Washington.
Washington's roster is not as good. It's not as good
as Green Bays. It's not as good as the Rain,
It's not as good overall as the Seahawks, the Lions,
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so Minnesota. So it's a great story. You know, I
wrote down a lot of different things during this game,
and you know, it's weird. When it comes to Philadelphia.
Saquon Barkley, I feel like he's faster than Walter Peyton
and maybe not as strong as Peyton. He's definitely not
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as clever or shifty as Barry Sanders, but he's clever
and shifty. But he really is. He really is an
ald timer. I mean, first of all, you get high
end speed, you get it quickly. Because of his size.
You know, he's got that sort of a shorter size,
so he's hard to see behind the Eagles O line,
so he kind of bursts out of the cloud or
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the fog. He can run you over, he can make
you miss. I always think whenever you see a great player,
I remember this. I remember this.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
In golf.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You can see a guy like Brooks Kopka, you're like, yeah,
he's just bigger and stronger than people, or Tiger in
his prime. But a lot of times you'll watch a
pro athlete like Larry Fitzgerald and you're like, yeah, he's fast,
but he's he's not that fast. I mean he's big,
but he's not is he that big? And then you're
just like, Larry Fitzgerald is always open and hung onto everything.
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And you just watch certain athletes you're like, man, they
make it look So it has to be a combination
of like intelligence, instinct, workout, work ethic. It's a combination.
Sequon's one of those guys where when you watch him,
it just it looks easy, like he just makes great
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players look so bad with one step. That and that
to me has always been the difference between very good
and great to like, oh that's all time stuff? Is
that Like Reggie White would just bat good offensive lineman
out of the way, like literally, with this off arm,
he would bat them away and you're like.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Okay, that's just different than everybody else.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Saquon to me is a top five to six running
back I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I mean, I think a lot of positions if you're
drafted like he was, and it's polarizing when you take
a running back number two overall because so much out
of your control. His old line sucked. They had never
had a passing game. So if you have no passing
game and you have no offensive line, you could be
Barry Sanders with Walter Bayton. It's going to be a struggle.
I grew up on Barry Sanders. They had Herman More,
they had an explosive passing game. Obviously, he was a
(22:31):
special player. But I wrote down three guys because I
think there's a chance, if he stays healthy, he could
have this second kind of lease on life in the
NFL and become like a Hall of Fame guy. Now.
Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, and Marshall Falk were all guys
that like after their third or fourth year, Curtis Martin
went to the Jets, Bettis went to the Steelers and
Marshall Falk went to the Rams. Curtis Martin was really
(22:56):
good on the Patriots, and Marshall Falk was really good
on the Ramps right, and Jerome Bettis was solid. Now
I don't put Jerome Bettis quite on those two guys level,
but like Saquon, I would say most people described his
careers like, eh, it was kind of underwhelming. It just
wasn't going well. It wasn't his fault because you're watching
him on this team. How about the way that game opened.
They went like twenty five plays washing it on that
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first drive, they got like seventeen fourth downs, and they
ended up kicking a field goal. And I saw Jeff
Schwartz tweet this out. He's like, God, it reminds me
a lot of Notre Dame. If that's what you have
to do to start a game and only get three points,
it's gonna be a long game. The Eagles go one play,
he does like three to sixty, bounces off another guy
cuts it back for sixty five seventy yards. You're like, uh,
(23:39):
this does not feel It was insane that at one
point in time this game was fourteen to twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Because after that.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Drive and then another early drive. You're like, this thing
could get out of hand, and Washington, and this where
Dan deserves credit, Jaden deserves credit, kept it kind of.
I mean twenty seven to fifteen at halftime. Yeah, it
probably should have been like forty to seven at halftime,
but Washington fought and then the wheels came off. But
when you have and this is where, when Jalen's healthy
and they have a running threat with the quarterback and
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the running back, what are you really gonna do? I mean, Colin,
they ran for seven touchdowns today, ran for seven touchdowns
and the two of them combined. I mean what Saquon
add he had two and Jalen had three.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I mean, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
The Eagles will never lose a game if they're getting
that type of production in the running game.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Ever, I want to talk about this. This was.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's pretty remarkable, So let's talk about Let's give this
ten minutes, so it has to be the most embarrassing moment.
The Eagles have now been to eight NFC championships and
four Super Bowls since the Cowboys have been to one
conference championship. So Philadelphia is separated as franchise but the
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Cowboys announced Brian Schottenneimer as the head coach on a
Friday night news dump, late, late, late Friday night.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Now it makes me believe.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
That either Jerry Jones was caught completely flat footed by
Mike McCarthy choosing to leave, or it's some sort of
plan to get the number one pick next year, because
Schottenheimer is a nice guy, but he is a bounce
around the league, never really like getting opportunities at the
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highest level. Jag Seattle can't really maintain jobs. I said
this the other day. Their lack of urgency on Dak's
contract crushed them, and their lack of urgency on hiring
a coach. It's hard to explain. I don't know how
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to explain it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I think it's pretty clear. You know Jerry Well, the
news dumps very telling, right. Jerry runs his franchise for
the last definitely the last fifteen twenty years like a
television show. He literally was just on one of the
more popular ones in the country. You can't tell me.
I mean, if Jerry liked the hire, he would have
put this thing out in the middle of the night
on Sunday or first thing Monday morning, so everyone talked
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about him all week Friday night ten o'clock, not Friday
night ten o'clock Eastern. I mean this was late after
the country might have been asleep. I think he thought, Listen,
they knew coming into the season that Mike McCarthy was
on his contract was ending, so we all knew that.
We assumed Mike McCarthy was fired. And then Black Monday
came and Mike was not fired. We're like, well, clearly,
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and people have been talking, maybe they're just gonna keep him.
Jerry thought he could just give him some fake two
year contract, like Mike, where the hell are you gonna go?
And pretty clear Mike might have misplaced his hand a
little too, because I think he thought he could get
the Bears job. Yeah, but I think Mike realized kind
of maybe halfway or toward the end of that week,
as he wanted Jason Witten on his staff, Jerry was
(26:56):
just gonna kind of bend him over, like, hey, Jerry,
I've made a lot of money in the last few
fifteen years, Buddy, I don't need you, and I'm not
just gonna acquiesce to everything you want and basically told
him to kick rocks. And I think Jerry thought the
whole time he could essentially give him like a two
year contract. You know, think about this, Jerry just hired
Brian Schottenheimer. Jerry's kind of cheap, Like, that's one thing
that's pretty telling. Jerry's not these Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel
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making twelve, thirteen, fourteen. Mike McCarthy was making seven million
dollars right now. Granted he was hired five years ago,
but he was on a seven year, million dollars. That's
one of the lower paid coaches in the league. Would
you guess Brian Schottenheimer is making more than seven million dollars.
There's a decent chance that Brian Schottenheimer's the lowest paid
coach in the NFL. I think we know what Ben
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Johnson makes. We know Pete Carroll ain't making seven We
know Bileam Cohen just got twelve or thirteen million dollars.
So Jerry's a little cheap. He misplayed his hand. And
you'd been saying this, and I've always defended Jerry a
little bit. He is really in his Al Davis phase now,
like they are. That was sometimes you fire a coach
whatever it's time, but go through that week and then
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eventually break up with Mike McCarthy and end up a
week later with Brian Schottenheimer. And once upon a time,
Brian Schottenheim remember when he was Rex Ryan's OC and
they were with Mark Sanchez. He was like thirty seven,
thirty eight years old, he was viewed as a head coach.
That was fifteen years ago. Was the last time Brian
Schottenheimer had a head coaching interview? Has he had one
in a decade? Now? That's not the end all be all,
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But why would you fire Mike McCarthy, who has accomplished
stuff and then hire his offensive coordinator who's not some
valued candidate, doesn't It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He didn't even call plays. Yeah, McCarthy, you know, it's
not It's not below Jerry to actually make calls dissuading
people from hiring Mike McCarthy because Mike McCarthy suddenly was
a hot candidate. Now he's not even getting interviewed, and
he's clearly the best candidate on the market.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I mean, the Saints, what are the Saints going to do?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
He'd obviously the best candidate is I think, you know,
and I've said this, if Lebron didn't go to the Lakers.
The Lakers are the Cowboys. They're just circling. I mean,
lebron Is literally saved the franchise. They were Kobe's last
five years. I think they're the worst win lost percentage
in the league. It could be wrong, but it was.
It was really bad. So it's just, you know, it's
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just one of those things where it's not a coincidence
when people like Andy Reid are successful all the time.
It's not a coincidence when certain gms have good draft.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Classes over and over and over.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And I think that Dallas Cowboys the last couple of
draft classes have been a weak. I mean they've missed
on their their first I mean they hit on Ceedee
Lamb and Micah, but their last two first round picks
have been weak. They got worked by Dak Prescott again.
They're just they have really fallen to me, John and
I don't take any pleasure in saying this. They've become
a little like Cleveland. They're a little like the Jets.
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They're not as chaotic, but they're they're really a second
tier franchise. Like they're they're not even and there, they
are not remotely close to a top five NFC roster.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Forget AFC, they're not there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
They could they could be the eighth, the ninth best
roster in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Now, well, think about this. You just hit on. They
haven't been to the conference championship game since what ninety six?
The Eagles just since that foal So Foles and then
the last two Jalen have not only been to three,
they won them. I mean the last two they played
Minnesota with Foles, they blew them out. Jalen against the
Niners they knocked out Purty, blew them out. And tonight
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they scored fifty five points. So they've been to three
super Bowls in the last what eight years? Seven years?
So you are in a different stratosphere than them. And
then Washington sells the team. They get a real coach,
a superstar quarterback, and a real GM and they're gonna
start lapping you. If I'm a Cowboy fan, Thank god
the Giants have their own issues or we would. It's
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that night for a guy that knows just I mean,
one thing he's great about is getting people to talk
about his team. I mean, it's why he talks twice
a week. No other owner says a peep column. None
of them talk at all. It's not like they don't
have Biggie. They realize, what's the point, Why am I
going to say a word? Most gms? Do you notice
how many gms come on your television show throughout the
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year sparingly here and there, But they let the coach
and the players talk during the season, right, it's not
their time. Jerry talks twice a week, sometimes three times.
And I don't blame anyone from talking to him because
he gives you incredible quotes. But that's not a healthy
way to operate. It's just not And I thought that
it was overblown a little bit when remember when the
story came out, Dak said, they have fans walking around
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the facility. But once you start losing, you start going. Well,
where Jerry's priorities right now? It's like, does he just
want to save some money here with Brian Schottenheim or
did he get into a situation that he never thought
he'd be in and then didn't know who to talk to.
Of course, Dion wasn't that interested. He's Dean, doesn't answer
to anyone in Colorado. Jerry tell him everything to do.
That is the other you go work for the Cowboys,
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like you listen Woody Johnson. These days bug you with
dumb ideas. Jerry's literally telling you, like who to play
when to play him, you know, like football, like he
thinks he's Al Davis lost his mind. But at one
point in time, Al Davis really new football, Like does
Jerry really know? Like is Jerry watching tape?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No chance.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I don't even blame him. But I also wouldn't be
an owner if I'm not watching tape telling you what
to do?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
You know, I don't get to watch other shows except yours, Nick,
because a lot of times I'm on the air. I
pulled into the parking lot when Dan Patrick goes on,
so I never get to hear Dan, who does a
great job.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I don't get a watch like Steven Air on.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Her shows because either I'm prepping for my show, doing
for my show, or driving home.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I when I worked at the other place, I was
there for the New England Dynasty, a big chunk of
it in the eleven years, and it was great.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I was I. You know, my friends were all either
New York Giant fans or.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Patriot fans, and I never thought the Patriots were the
most talented team, although I did think the Randy Moss
years were damn good.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I thought I heard a lot of this stuff about officiating,
and I was always like, oh shit, I did think
the Bills got a first down, but there were thirteen
minutes left, and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I'm kind of a.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Believer, and I've said this, I think to you and
others when people used to complain about Jordan getting all
the calls of the Warriors, I would always say this,
how many turnovers did you have and how many free
throws did you miss? If the answer combined is twenty,
I don't care about that.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Go either way.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Called in the fourth quarter right like, you had eleven
turnovers and missed nine free throws, I'm not going to
listen to you. I thought Buffalo was incredibly lucky. They
fumbled four times and recovered all of them. I've never
heard of that in a playoff game, well in my life.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
No, Colin. They there were five fumbles in the game
because Mahomes fumbled and Buffalo recovered all five. Now, as
far as back as the record books go, first playoff
team ever to do that and lose, Like, it's very
hard to go five for five fumble recoveries and not
win the game. They got very fortunate on that.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, my take on the entire game was very much
like Matt Hasselback. Matt Hasselback and I and Drew Brees
and I agreed that Sean McDermot acknowledged after the game. Yeah,
on the fourth and one stuff, you know, we just
kind of let Josh, you know, and we just kind
of figure, Josh, we're gonna kind of let him do it.
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And I'm like, Annie Reid has never once said, you know,
I'm just gonna let Mahomes kind of do it. And
I've been on this now since you've known me at
f S one for eight years. I think offense coaches
are better with star quarterbacks than defensive coaches. And one
of the things I've said about Brady is where Brady
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really deserves credit. He won with Arians, he won with Belichick,
Charlie Weiss, he won with like six different people because
remember Bill didn't really run the offense. It was whoever
the coordinator was. Is that I do think, and this
is not a shot at Mahomes all of us in life,
some kids grow up with really doting, rich parents and
(35:29):
supportive parents and some kids grow up in chaos. Is
Mahomes would be successful regardless, But do you think it's
crazy to consider that if Mahomes and Alan's switch coaches,
that Alan would have more super Bowls today than Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Oh yes, I do think that's crazy. I don't think
you'd have more super Bowls than Mahomes. And I think
that Listen. I think Patrick is going to go down
as a Mount Rushmore athlete, not football player athlete, and
I think that he is has a special innate ability
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that right now, no other quarterback in like the people
have been beaten over the head with the Mahomes stats,
but some of them are just like impossible to believe.
So he already now has more the more playoff victories. Yeah,
when his defense allows twenty nine points than any quarterback
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in NFL history, So he has four, He has won
four playoff games. Was even's allowed twenty nine points? That's
Tom did it. I think Peyton did it I think
three times, and Tom did it once orrive vice versa.
But no one's done that that. Patrick has played twenty
and then I'm gonna get to the Josh Allen piece
of this. Patrick has played twenty playoff games. Okay, eleven
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of them were what I would call easy wins. They
were leading in the fourth quarter, led the whole way.
The nine games Colin that he was not that he
trailed in the fourth quarter, six of them he won.
One of them he forced overtime against New England, never
touched the ball, another one he forced overtime against Cincinnati,
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did not come through and lost. And the other one
they were down thirty one to nine against the Bucks
entering the fourth. So again, and put a little finer
point on that. In his playoff career in the fourth
quarter trailing by one score, he has had fourteen possessions.
They have tied or taken the lead thirteen times and
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so and the one time he didn't, he then got
the ball back and did it.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So do you believe, though, that Andy Reid is a
is a oh prominent part that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
One hundred percent, absolutely, But I also believe the knock
on Andy, before Patrick came into his life, was brilliant
play designer. But in these exact moments I'm describing, gets
tight and messes up the clock or situationally isn't buttoned up.
That's how you lose a twenty eight point lead to
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the Colts with Alex Smith. That's how you lose an
eight and in the playoffs an eighteen point lead to
Marcus Mariota. You know, Andy was the chiefs coach when
those things happened. So I think it's the perfect marriage.
I think Andy is the perfect preparer of offense and
plays and all of it, and Patrick is the steadiest
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hand in the world. And so to me, it's like
the most brilliant medical school professor pairing up with the
most naturally gifted surgeon ever, Like he is gonna give
you all of the tools and then you're gonna have,
you know, be the one with the steady hand, going
to do it. So that parted, and I think Josh
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is excellent. I also think that Josh had the ball
of three and a half minutes left down three and
got seventeen yards and zero points. And that's a year
after getting the ball back with six minutes left down
three and got forty yards and zero points. Like that's
not Patrick, that's not Andy. That's in those moments the
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fourth and five play, Josh was excellent first down, second down,
he was not, which set up the third and ten,
which set up the fourth and five. Here is the
thing I want to say about the sneaks, Colin, and
this is where I'm surprised. More teams don't, more contending
teams don't take a page out of the Chiefs notebook.
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Why at some point during the year didn't the Bills
say internally, Okay, guys, I think we pretty much well
know how to run this snake. Can we work on
a couple other short yardage things? So thank you? A.
Teams have to prepare for other things. And b even
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though we've been basically undefeated on it, if somebody has
a wrinkle that can stop it, we have a pivot point. Instead,
they just ran the same thing all year because it
was so successful, and that's that should be the lesson
of the Chiefs. The Chiefs early in the year, people like, oh,
Kelsey's washed, and it's like, okay, he's obviously slowing down.
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But is it is it that he's washed, or is
it that they are saying, hey it it hasn't happened
in years. But what if someone in a playoff game
takes him away. Let's make sure Xavier Worth he's ready,
Let's make sure everybody else is ready, and then in
the AFC Championship game, he has his worst game in
five years in the playoffs, and other guys step up.
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If you're contending for a championship, sometimes preparing to win
the title is not the same as making sure every
single possession of my Week seven game against the Jets
is the highest EPA. And that's where the Chiefs have
been brilliant, and that's where the Bills, I think, have
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not been.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, I don't think fans understand this if you watched.
I mean, I'm not going to give away where I
heard this, but it comes from a good source. Belichick
can't even speak offensive football like defensive coaches. They don't
really understand offensive football. That's not what they do. And
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one of the things I've always pointed to, and I
think I'm the only guy talking about this regularly pat
myself in the back. Have you noticed how offensive coaches
can rearrange the deck chairs with an offensive line within
an off season and fix it. And he's done it
twice ing the season, movement based and left multiple times.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
This year.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
They were terrible the first five weeks. By the end
of the year, Stafford never got touched. Defensive coaches can't
do that. Tomlin's on seven straight years of battle lines.
I mean, Jeff Schwartz showed during the playoff loss, the
Steelers offensive line mayhem, they didn't know where they were going.
I mean they were literally often pulling to the wrong place.
Offensive coaches speak the language of offense, and the league
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has pivoted to reward them. It's almost like if Trump.
You know, when Trump goes out and says, hey, I
am pro you know bitcoin, cryptocurrency, I am pro cryptocurrency. Well,
you know that benefits people in the industry, Like the
NFL's basically said over the last ten years, we're gonna
go offense. We're gonna literally change the game. And so
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there's a big chunk of these defensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
They don't speak it.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
They don't speak it, they don't understand the language and
what you're asking, which is why wouldn't they create a
second play? Well that's not that's not their natural instinct,
that's not who they are. Andy Reid in the off
season will send me plays he's working on that he
found on YouTube from Rose Bowls in the forties, Like hey, hey,
I'm I'm not gonna tell you what I'm gonna use this,
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don't share this and look at this play. That's not
what defensive coaches do. And I think advantage the great.
So what do you think they should do? Because the
thing is because because the.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and
I also it's like, but there isn't a the proven
excellent offensive coach available. B Belichick took the Carolina job,
so it's not like, hey, let's just get better situationally,
and you know, even in short term, he's beaten Andy,
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he's beaten Patrick. And I understand the folks who are like, man,
if it's been this long, you haven't broking through against
this team. Even if McDermott's an excellent coach, sometimes what
happens to Mark Jackson to elevate to Steve Kerr as
Brew talks about, needs to happen. I get all that,
But can you take the risk of this part of
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Josh Allen's prime of we're handing the reins over to
a first time unknown head coach because he's an offensive guy.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, No, I think Listen. I think so was Sean McVay,
and so is Matt Lafleur. Right, I think he was
all the guys who failed, Like you know what I mean,
go ahead, No, Sean McDermott. I think my comp has
always been Chuck Knox. I'm saying this is my age.
But Chuck Knox was known as an organizer, highly competent,
B plus coach, Seahawks bills. If you were a shit show,
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he got you on the right path. But he was
called ground Chuck because the playoffs would come, and like
Marty Schottenheimer, he got hyper conservative. And I just think
that's your fate in life. Is that sometimes Nick, You know,
let's just take our business for instance. Is that some
people in my age don't do social media. I think
it's a huge disadvantage. I do a ton of social media.
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I've got a TikTok clip on Brawnie today. It'll get
three million people. I feed into it.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I'm into it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Not everybody's sixty plus with gray hair is into all
these social media platforms. The world we're in has changed.
TV doesn't drive all the business. I'm comfortable with it.
There are other things in other industries people aren't comfortable with.
The NFL's culture has changed. It's all offense, and so
a lot of these defensive coaches. They're beholden to hiring
the right OC and the minute you know Josh McDaniels
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and Brady leaves bella check screwed. There's nothing he can do.
He didn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Let's both think.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Of something where we were the most wrong we've been
all football season. So I'll give you what it is
and why it is, and I'll let you think. So
you know, this is how I think, I love, I
think it matters. I want my quarterback to have a
little artist but mostly be an accountant.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I want you to go.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I want you to be have kind of Matt Ryan,
Jalen Hurt's personality justin Herbert stand up there, talk about
the team, put out fires, be in line. Brady's as
good as anybody for as big as star as Mahomes is.
He really always just says nice things. He's really he's
figured out.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
My buddy, my former intern started interrupts in Kansas City,
and who I'm sure hates that I always call my
former intern because he's now the afternoon drive host on
six ' ten in Kansas City and has been for
a long time. He has a weekly interview with Patrick
Mahomes and has had it for years, and God bless
Carrington Harrison, who does a great job. That poor guy
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never ever gets any news out of it because Patrick
says nothing. Like He's had a weekly exclusive interview with
Patrick Mahomes for five years, and if you ever played
one clip of it on your show, the answer is
probably not, because Patrick is just so im to say nothing,
just say absolutely nothing, but go ahead. So and that's
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how I like my quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I've said this Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield, Jamis Winston, Cam Newton.
If I see ego, if I see self importance, if
I see Jay Cutler grumpiness, I just do not like it.
And I think I've overwhelmingly been right. So I watched
Nick Suriani's opening press conference. It's the worst I've ever seen.
He's terrible at the podium, he wore a jersey at
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the last time after last win. He's yelled at fans,
he's gone after players, and he's had position coaches hold
him back. His methodology stinks, and yet they love him.
And I'm like, this is ridiculous. This is the exact
opposite of what I want my coach to be. And
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so I've come to try to figure it out, and
I went and watched In Chicago, I went and watched
the comedian Sebastian Menacawsko, a very very funny guy, great performer.
He minds me a lot of Chris Rock. He's like
all Lee in his prime. I mean, he's got the look,
the physical He's really a performer, very funny, and a
lot of his act is is Italian family and how
dysfunctional and how they yell at each other and the
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love is so deep and embedded in the family. And
I've learned this. Cultures are different. There are couples that
argue and that yell at each other, and I'm like, oh,
this isn't gonna work. And they've been married thirty seven years,
and I imagine the makeup sex is great, Like they
just get along.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It just works.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
And I've come to terms with Siriani is that in
a highly emotional city with a highly intense GM and
fan base and radio media that's just barking and make
he just fits. He is the family member. He can
handle the bs, he can handle the noise. He's sometimes
he's half fan. I just thought this is not He's
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very dependent on coordinators.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Here's the thing. Man, everything you're saying is fair, I
still can't get there with him. Like everything you're saying true,
here's what's also true. Had they blocked Jalen Carter they
being the Rams on that third down in round two.
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I think it's possible he was fired ten days ago
if after that up thirteen against the Rams with Jalen
Hurts injured, and then up six when he called that
bootleg roll play action roll out on second and seven
that resulted in a dozen yard sack and all of
a sudden, Stafford's driving down the field down six, chance
(49:39):
to steal the game. I think they might have gotten
rid of him now. Instead, he's a game away from
having the greatest start to a career any coach. Ever,
I don't know what to make of it. I because everything,
every instinct I.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Have says, well, this guy's just a dofis the same.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
But you have, like, if any position should be judged
based on their record, it should be head coach. And
his record is historically good. So I don't it really
tests a lot of my beliefs of what should and
what does work in the NFL. And so yeah, this one,
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I mean, this offseason, they totally you know what's the
word that's always used in political Twitter. Definishtrated him, I
think is the word. They didn't even let him pick
his own coordinators, you know what I mean. Early in
the year, he's freaking out, yelling at his fans after Quinn.
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Even after the NFC championship game, Jalen hurts, it's like, yeah, coach,
finally let me out of my straight jacket. Like that's
a weird thing the whole. So, I don't know, but
they haven't lost a game that Jalen started and finished
in four months, and they're playing in the super second
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Super Bowl in two years or in three years. So yeah,
that one baffles me. That's my worst. I was basically
perfect on my AFC preseason takes.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Saying I will not predicting. It's become a very easy
conference in the standings to predict.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
And so I got and I could not have been
more wrong about the NFC. So I obviously famously had
the Bears not only making the playoffs or winning the conference,
but I also had the Eagles missing the playoffs. I
did it. I had Washington finishing ahead of the Eagles,
and my rationale was, man, something really weird happened last
year to that team, and I don't trust this coach
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to pull them out of it. And I also thought
Saquon Barkley would be good but not great for them,
But instead Saquon had one of the greatest years any
running backs had in the history of football. Can I
ask you a question, sure, yeah, go ahead, after this year,
take this year out of it. This group of quarterbacks,
the Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar, that group, they're all twenty
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eight to twenty nine. Let's say optimistically they all have
ten more good years. That's probably on the high end,
but let's give them a decade, ten more seasons. The
twenty twenty five season onward Man, at least one of
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those guys is never making much less winning a Super Bowl.
Like moving forward, so I know Joe's already made what
because here's the way I was thinking about it. I'm like, okay,
because everyone's like, do you think Josh will eventually get one?
And intellectually I'm like, yes, of course, he's the second
best player in the league. Of course he'll get one.
But then I'm like, well, wait a minute, Okay, So
(52:54):
in the next ten years, let's say Patrick slows down,
he only makes four of the Andy Reid retires. Yeah,
so let's just say Pat. Let's say Patrick only makes
four of the next ten, so there's six. So that's
six for Lamar, Josh, Joe. I know, you've got Justin
(53:15):
Herbert getting the one eventually, Bo Nicks, CJ. Stroud and
we're talking about ten years. So it's also a couple
more generations coming into the league like these guys, All
of these guys being in the AFC is devastating for
the resumes they're trying to build well.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
And the one that's in trouble is Joe Burrow. The
Bengals had to sell naming rights to the stadium to
pay his contract. People don't understand this. The gentleman who
first of all, the Bengals don't have any money. They
don't have any money. It's just like the poorest ownership group.
Joe Burrow knows it. They had to sell naming rights
to a stadium to pay him. They started peeling off
(53:56):
players even before they paid Jamar Chase. They're peeling off.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Of them now.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Safety Yeah, and they're already peeling off players. They are
the opposite of the Eagles. They are anti risk and reward.
They take no risks. Tobin, the general manager, has been
there forever pleasant, very nice guy, got no power. I mean,
the Brown family runs the organization. They are essentially a
(54:22):
Triple A operation in Major League Baseball that happens to
have Joe Burrow. People make fun of the Raiders. The
Raiders because of some new ownership groups that have come
in are flushed with cash. That's why they can pay
four coaches and three general managers. They got nothing but money.
They got Mark Davis has nothing but money, and the
Raiders are a brand. And also it's Las Vegas. It's
(54:44):
a growing city. There's real money there, no state tax,
very attractive place. Cincinnati, they got no money. Burrow, They'll
never have a stacked roster. The only time to really
be great with him was when he was on the
rookie contract. When they pay Jamar Chase, they're on a money.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
I feel terrible for him. Joe Burrow would need to
be superhuman. I mean, this year he was as good
as he's ever been. They couldn't make the playoffs. Herbert's
gonna get better with Harbaugh, Like that's gonna only get better, right,
That's what I'm saying, Like, you're just Herbert. I think
Burrow is the one in trouble.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
And here's the other. Here's the other concern for all
those guys. Will they may be different for Joe because
he's done it, But will those guys be able to
play Patrick Mahomes beat him, which is part of the hypothetical,
(55:43):
and then psychologically be able to recenter and be like,
that wasn't the super Bowl? Not like we we like
that's the thing that I would worry about for the Bills.
Not I do think Listen, Mahomes is not going to
go undefeated against Allen in his career. In the playoffs,
they will win. But man, if next year the Bills
(56:06):
finally beat the Chiefs in the playoffs, it's gonna be
really hard to psychologically then reset and be like, actually,
the next game's the tougher, bigger one. And so that's
we have Never I can't remember a time when it
felt this disproportionate in quarterbacking talent conference to conference, and
(56:31):
what it's gonna mean for these guys kind of legacies
when it comes to who they were as far as
winning players or winning championships.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
The volume
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