February 1, 2025 • 42 mins
John answers all of your questions leading up to the Super Bowl, what are the keys for the Eagles to beat KC, should anyone on the Packers staff be on the hot seat next season, should other leagues look to a one-and-done model in the playoffs like the NFL, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume, What is going on everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How are we doing my people? Hopefully everyone's doing well,
Everyone's having a good day. My game plan was originally
to not do anything, and I was like, I was
looking at my DMS, and I have so many and
a lot of yours questions for the mail bag get lost.
And I don't ever want anyone to think I'm skipping you,
because I'm not trying to, but just the process in
(00:39):
which we do it right now is just some are
going to get lost in the shuffle. So I kind
of went through and got some questions that are a
little older. I'm gonna try to bang out, and I
thought I'd put out a little weekend mail bag edition.
Sometimes I know as a consumer, you know you're working out,
you're on a walk, you're just doing something you need
someone to listen to, and there's never anything new, So
(01:00):
kind of like this little honey hole, or as Jerry
would call it, a little glory hole, which obviously a
lot of people made fun of them. I saw someone
come out and said, those are actually way back in
the day, we're known as like when you'd find some gold.
I think that's what Jerry alluded to, but funny. Nonetheless,
we will have podcasts next week. I'm going to New
Orleans for about forty eight hours. I'm mainly going not
(01:22):
for content purposes though last year. There are so many
people that I would like to have on the podcast
that will be at the Volume party. So it's a
good way to kind of, you know, rub elbows and
kind of get some relationships so we can interview people
throughout the year. But also I just got to meet
people that sponsor this podcast, potential sponsors. Basically a forty
(01:43):
eight hour sales trip for me, which listen, you gotta
do what you gotta do. So today we'll just be
a little mail bag. I try to bang out as
many as we can. We'll kind of go rapid fire.
Longtime listener and Eagles fan pump for the Super Bowl.
What do you think is the most important thing the
Eagles need to do to pull off the upset and
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beat the Chiefs? Personally, I think the Eagles O line
versus the Chiefs D line is the most crucial matchup
of the game. Long sustained drives and keep the ball
out of Mahomes' hands as much as possible. I would agree.
Having success running the ball will be huge. But I
think if you look back on that Packers game, you know,
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green Bay for a large percentage of it was playing
pretty good defense, and ultimately the problem was Jordan Love
was an abomination for a lot of it. So that's
not going to be the Chiefs trying.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
To pull up.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Where is the Chiefs Commander's Packers twenty two to ten.
So Saquon ran for one hundred and twenty yards in
that game and a long run of seventeen. So now
the Eagles were up the whole time, right, I think
of that that's the case. I think that number would
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probably be a little lower against the Chiefs, and that
would be problematic. I think the Chiefs, of all their
three games will look at the Green Bay game and go,
that is our mindset going into the game. You know,
Saquon had one hundred and nineteen yards. I would guess
he had some runs in the second half to help
add up to that. You know, Jalen had six for
thirty six. You know, the Eagles strategy to win like
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their defense is good, right, you know, Kelsey should have
an impact that the Eagles are somewhat susceptible over the
middle of the field. But the corner plays good. You know,
the Chiefs, What are the Chiefs gonna run for one
hundred yards? But they were just comfortable playing in these weird,
ugly games. So listen the Eagles. You just got to
hope that, you know, Jalen and Saquon kind of make
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enough plays on the ground because when they're making plays
on the ground, it opens up their passing offense and
just for explosive plays. Though, Like you know, when you
watch the Chiefs like they're pretty dialed in these big
they really are. And Andy Reid Mahomes versus Vick Fangio,
like Fango has been pretty damn good this year, and
(04:08):
that's just like something gonna give is Fangio gonna finally
get off on Mahomes. I think I saw a stat
Mahomes throughout his career against Vic, and obviously Vic, you know,
was a Bronco coach for a little bit, has been
really really good. So yeah, I mean I just think
no turnovers like that's you're not gonna lose the if
you don't win the turnover battle or just go zero
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to zero. But you can't have like two turnovers and
they have zero. You can't have honestly, probably any discrepancy.
If anything, it has to be a wash. So if
you have one, they have one, okay, but you cannot
have one and they have none because typically the chiefs
in these big spots, like you fumble, you turn the
ball over, they're gonna turn it into touchdown. And that
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that feels like it happens in playoff games, just in general.
Packer fan. With Mark Murphy retiring and ed Policy coming
in the new president, I think I think he's Carmen
Policy's son.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I did not know that Ed Policy. Let me look
up this character, Ed Policy. Green Bay Packers fifty four
years old from Youngstown, Ohio. Never forget Eddie de barbelow Youngstown, Ohio,
a little mob run town back in the day. He
has been in the Arena League for a long time.
(05:24):
He worked in the league office, and he's been with
the Packers now for well over ten years. Question, do
you think Lafloor and Goody's seats are at least lukewarm.
I'm only saying this because it seems like Lafloor is
a good coach, but I'm not sure he's the guy
to take us over the hump With Goody, I think
he always drafts the best quote unquote project instead of
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the best football player available. I could be wrong and
overthinking this. What's your opinion. I just have a hard
time seeing them on the hot seat. Now, I know
your organization's a little different. You know, it felt like
Mark was the pseudo owner, So now does Ed have
that ability. His roles with the Packers from twelve to
eighteen were VP and general counselor so aka council aka lawyer.
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Now he's the COO general counsel.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, I don't see why he would get rid of
either of those guys for the foreseeable future. Didn't they
both just get contract extensions too. I think we need
to pump the brakes a little bit on the talk
about those two guys. Pretty legendary move. They punted on
Aaron Rodgers nailed it, and listen, Jordan loves a polarizing
player back to back years in the playoffs. So I
(06:34):
think you're gonna be okay. Question for the mailbag, big fan.
I'm a huge fan of the NFL, and I occasionally
watch baseball and basketball. I struggle to consistently watch those
sports because of the long regular season. I find the
regular season games useless when an NFL game every week matters,
which is why they are more fun and more successful
(06:55):
with viewers. I'm fine with missing a basketball or baseball game,
but I feel like I can't even miss a Week
five primetime NFL game. I think it would be a
good idea to make playoff basketball and baseball games a
one game series like football. What do you think the
sport's not set up like that, right? I mean part
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of football is the games are unique. There's there once
a week and before Thursday night football, it was you
practice six times more than you play, right in your
coaches and the game plan, Like, do you think most
NBA coaches are game planning on a nightly basis? No chance,
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definitely not you know, implementing it or you know, giving
it to the players like they do in a playoff
series where the NFL, the way you approach Week five
is not that much different than the way you approach
a playoff game. Obviously there's quote unquote more on the line.
But like you meet six days five days before the game,
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you you know, you get the first down situation, get
the Wednesday game plan, then you start talking about third down,
then you talk about goal line, you go over special situations,
I mean, you do the the Chiefs. The way they
approach that Bills game last week is no different than
the way they approached a week ten game against whoever
their opponent was. It's just not right. So I think
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that is a huge the football, the setup of the
sport is just the polar opposite of these other two sports.
You know, part of baseball is the regular season, it's
all the games. So to have a one game situation,
Baseball is not a one game situation sport. Even basketball,
I'd argue you go more five game series, but you know,
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their business model is not that, and it would feel
a little bit unfair because anyone can win in a
one game situation, which to what you're saying, is why
you want that. But I think every one in those
sports would push back and it's just never happen. Question
for the mailbag. I saw a report how the Browns
regretted letting go of Flacco, but I also saw the
Browns are not even in contention to resign him. Why
(09:10):
are these franchises so hesitant on running things back when
you had reasonable success? Well, it was clear why they
let him go. You know, you couldn't bring him back
with Deshaun, which to me now that he's injured and
he got injured again for not wearing the boot, like
Deshaun and Mulgeta pulled one of the great legal scams
in American history of what they've done to the Browns. Now,
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the Browns were complicit and specifically their owner had to
sign off on it, but it just you talk about, Wow,
what a heist. That is called highway robbery and you
can never get in trouble for it. Now, I saw
some reports about them going after him because he wasn't
wearing the boot. I would doubt that that comes through.
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But man, Deshaun Watson's story is one of the worst moves,
especially when you factor in the money slash than the
play in the history of sports. Honestly, it's not even close.
So I don't know the Browns. I would guess that
they draft a quarterback in this draft mail bag, great content.
(10:22):
Been listening from the UK for two years. I love
that you're not afraid anyway. Question should either the Bills
or Ravens consider hiring Spags as their next head coach?
Harvough and mcdermotto great coaches However, their teams clearly have
inferiority complex when it comes to playoff Chiefs. I don't
see how either coaches convince their players that they have
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the game plan to beat playoff Reeden Mahomes. Spags would
improve the ex's no's on defense, but more importantly, maybe
he could give the players a new belief that he
has the formula, the inside formula on beating the Chiefs. Finally,
this is also potentially wens the Chiefs defense all the best. Stanny,
I think he makes some valid points. You know, historically,
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a guy like Spags would always get a job. I
think the problem is for those two teams is Listen,
Spags has been an incredible defensive coordinator. When he was
a head coach, it was pretty ugly and clearly over
his head. And he there was an article written last
year in The Athletic that he's all come to grips
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with he's not going to get another job, Like he
understands that's probably the way it's going to go, and
it's just it's just the way it's going to go.
He's never gonna get hired away. And John Harball won
a Super Bowl. You know, Sean McDermott. I know it
sucks losing to the to the Bills. There is no
guarantee that Spags would be as good as him during
the season. I hear what you're saying about the individual
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matchup with the Chiefs, and that is true that there
is no way that he couldn't talk to them about
beating the Chiefs and instill some confidence. It'd be impossible
for him not to because of all his inside knowledge.
I mean, he's practice against Mahomes for whatever since ten
not ten years, but six seven straight years. I just
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think that this is not going to happen definitely with
John Hornball. McDermott could get fired, like maybe after another year,
but they would not Hirespagnola. Uh hey, John, I've been
listening to the pod religiously for about the about five months.
I recently got accepted to Maris College and I am
excited to major in sports communication. Did you know what
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you wanted to do coming out of high school and
what did you major it? Did it relate to your
passion in sports? I had no clue. I was To
say I was an immature seventeen year old would probably
be an understatement. I was not even remotely thinking about that.
I mean, it's when I was going to college. I
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was thinking about drinking and hanging out with you. That's
all I was thinking about screwing around. It was a
couple of years into college where you realized, like I
kind of got bored of that, not the chicks part,
but just the partying and just feeling like what am
I gonna do? And I had I had interned my
first summer maybe it was my second summer in college
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for this guy at Morgan Stanley, because I was like,
that's what people do in college, you know, they go
and they find some white collar job. So I interviewed
for this guy at Morgan Stanley who was just like
a financial you know. Uh, I don't know if he's
technically a broker. I don't know what his exact title was,
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just a VP of money management. And I remember being
a couple months in. I guess it wasn't even a
couple maybe a couple of weeks in. I guess the
internship probably lasted the summer, so three months, and I
was just doing such stupid, mundane stuff. And one task
was like he used to hold art shows because clearly
(14:00):
had helped his business people would come look at art,
and then he would bees with them and he'd get
their business. Like it was a smart move on his part,
But I was like ripping paintings off the wall and
spackling it. And listen, no matter what job you do,
especially at twenty two twenty three years old, more than
likely are gonna do some dumb tasks. But at the time,
I didn't know anything about the stock market. I didn't
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even care about the stock market. So it's like, why
am I doing this? Because other people say that this
is like a good profession, this is an honorable way
to live. I don't care about any of this stuff.
What I really missed is like after high school, I
didn't play anything. In college, so you're in a fraternity,
you got buddies, but it's just not quite the same
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I missed. And from there I just kind of got
involved in the athletic program and it just kind of
took off from there. But it was like the only
thing in my life that I could see myself doing
because I realized once you go to a college and
Cal Pauly is like, you know, engineering school, we were
an AG program. I you have to declare your major
(15:05):
at cal poly and it was I wouldn't have got
in just as a business major, So I got in
as an ag business major. I mean, my dad was
a farmer. And I don't even think nowadays like it's
impossible to get in for anybody. But I just remember
some of my roommates were like, you know, architectural engineering.
Other people were in business, and I realized, like, I'm
not as smart as some of these guys. So if
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you whatever you're gonna do as a profession, you better
like because if you don't like it and you're not,
you know, the fucking smartest guy in the room, you're
gonna be in some trouble when it comes to successfully
doing well in whatever you're doing. So I realized, luckily
early on the only chance I had to have success,
and I was very driven to be successful, but I
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didn't quite understand or know what I wanted to do. Right.
But even when I went to college, I knew I
wanted to be successful in life. I realized through college
being around really smart people that like I got to
find what I like to do to maximize my ability
because some people didn't even have to try, and they
would like get straight a's, and those guys went on.
I knew. I had a buddy that sold his business
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in his mid thirties for millions of dollars. Smartest guy
I've ever been around. And it's just you've got to
understand your capabilities. And I think that really helped realizing, like,
I better do what I like to do. And the
only thing I really liked in college was sports, so
I just kind of gravitate toward it and then it
kind of materialized from there. But even there, I love football.
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But if you would have told me, like my sophomore
or junior year in college, that I would have worked
in the NFL, you know, when I got to be
around like Howie and some of these guys in the NFL,
they knew they wanted to work in the I mean,
how He knew he wanted to work in the NFL
when he was like five. It's like Tiger Woods, like
he knew he wanted to dominate a golf when he
was five. I was not like that. So you don't
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have to be like that to go on to have success.
But once you figure out like kind of the path
you want to go, I went all in. You know,
the Cortes burned the boats. I never had any second options.
I never was going to work in another profession. I
was never gonna be like, well, just sell insurance for
a year. And sometimes when people ask me advice, like
hey man, I'm thinking I got this offer to go
work at Chase Bank, or I got this offer to
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go do this, it's like, well, you know, if you
do want to follow the sports path, whatever that may be,
you're not gonna make very much money. So if you
do take that other path, even if you are working
the shittiest job at Chase Bank, especially if you're working
like New York City, whatever you're making out of college.
And I don't even know the going rates for twenty
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three year old, but i'll just pick a number within
one hundred grand. You're not sniffing that. So within five years,
if you start doing well, you will never be able
to make the jump. So you'll make enough money where
it's like going to be hard to jump even if
you don't like the profession. And I had a lot
of friends in college that we're just even acquaintances that
I knew we're taking a lot of money in their twenties,
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And luckily it didn't really FaZe me. It's like, yeah,
I don't want that life. While I was making nothing,
and then you know, once the kind of damn opened
and I would say six seven years ago for me,
not even that, probably five years ago, you realize it
was all worth it. But there's a lot of times
when you start looking in the mirror you're like, what
am I doing. Luckily, you like it enough that you
(18:24):
just deal with it, even because it's naturally gonna complain.
A huge fan of the pod, I'm headed to the Scottsdale.
I'm headed to the Dale as he called it, Scottsdale
next weekend from Cali for waste management. First time in Scottsdale.
Need all the recommendations depends where you're staying. I would
guess you're probably young staying in an old town. Not
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hard to figure out what to do down there, So
I would just venture toward old town. I'm not a
club guy, not my thing, but I know a lot
of people, especially younger people like that. I never really
liked it in my life club Strip club, different story,
but the club that's a big thing in old town.
So if you guys like that, you will not struggle
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to find options. If you're staying in like North Scottsdale
is probably like more normal, nice restaurants, not as crazy.
I would say it's a little slower up here, but
if you're staying in old town, you're coming here to
have a good time, enjoy it. I think I will
be there on Friday. So if you see me cruising
around and say, what's up? Do you think there is
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any likelihood of John Mara reversing his decision to keep Joe,
Shane and Daball If Saquon leads Philly to the Super
Bowl given his comments during the offseason, it would compound
an already poor season. I think they're stuck. I mean,
I think you're just he made his decision, he's sticking
with it. I've been adamant on this. I don't see
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how they fixed this in one offseason. They were so
bad last year. I know they got a bunch of
injuries as the year went on, but they were terrible.
They really were, And part of that was Daniel Jones
was atrocious. But who are they gonna have playing quarterback
next year? I mean, yeah, they started going to de
Vito and Drew Lock. I know Drew Lock had the one.
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Get who'd they be again? Like, oh, the Colts Drew
Locket like the game of his life. But I don't know, man,
I just think I think they're in trouble, just because
I don't think it's possible to accumulate enough talent if
you don't have the quarterback. And where are they getting
the quarterback even if they draft I saw clip on
Instagram then Bribe day ball at the East West Shrine
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game followed Chador around everywhere. It was constantly around Shador,
even if they draft Shadoor at three overall. I mean,
that's listen. I gambled on Colorado this year and they
won some crazy games, but it's not like they were
blowing everyone out, you know. So you're coming to a
team and the one thing Colorado had were elite skill guys.
He had Travis Hunter, he had other good wide receivers.
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They could score, like their skill on offense neighbors is good.
But the rest of the operation, I don't know. And
then the pressure of just like everything being on him.
He's kind of you know, he doesn't really play in
the context of the offense. He freelances a time, which
I don't mind, but I think it would be really,
really difficult this is regarding the Bills Chiefs game. I
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feel like Buffalo's play calling down the stretch really cost him.
Cook was dominant with the ball in his hands, and
then suddenly all the Bills want to do is run
the quarterback sneak. I understand this limits the chances of
a negative play and Josh is obviously excellent, but it
also limits the ability for a big play. What do
you think about the play calling by Brady in the
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second half? Why didn't Cook get some more opportunities when
he's really cooking? Love the show. I think you could
play that game and a lot of big losses in
the history of football, and I think it's really really
obvious to us as fans. I think sometimes you know
in football, with the scouts, with the gms, but sometimes
these coaches they overthink themselves. They just get into this mindset,
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especially for a young coordinator. Maybe he was adamant that
it was going to work throughout the week, and then
when it's not working in the game, he doesn't pivot,
And you go, how does he not pivot? Because he
spent let's say, ninety hours, slept five hours a night
for five straight nights, and he believed you know deep
in the soul that his game plan was going to work,
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and then all of a sudden it stopped working. But
he refused to pivot. And sometimes I think that's his experience.
You know, how old is Joe Brady thirty five years old,
thirty six years old? How old is he? Thirty five
years old? So he's going up against Steve Spagnola, who's
beat literally everyone that matters. That Brady said on the
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broadcast is the toughest defensive coordinator or one of them
he's ever gone against in his life. He's an incredible blitzer,
He's an incredible schemer. Steve Spagnola is thirty years older
than Joe Brady. Steve Spagnola broke into the NFL twenty
five years ago. So Joe Brady, who everyone you know
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loves that, he was the assistant offensive analyst for the
Saints in twenty eighteen. His first year in the NFL
is twenty eighteen. Steve Spagnola, at forty years old, joined
Andy Reid in nineteen ninety nine. It's just not a
fair fight. And if you're not going to adapt, like
I don't know, We've seen it happen time and time again.
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We'll see it happen again. I'm sure you are doing
the postgame take right now, so maybe I've missed the boat.
The Chiefs, Reid Mahomes are legit and deserve to go
to a Super Bowl, no argument. However, while Allen was
over amp tight in the first half, I feel like
Brady was as well, and it cost the Bills the
game once they were zero four on sneaks over the
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left guard, abandoning the run. Terrible red zone play calling. Yes,
players have to execute, but totally agree. One huge advantage
for the Chiefs these last two years, and this is
why they're champions. Right. It's football is not just about
like who has the best roster. You know who the
Chiefs are depending on Xavier Worthy, who's a rookie. Right,
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It's about we are going to outthink you. We are
not gonna make the mistakes you're gonna make. Why because
Andy Goes I made that mistake twenty years ago, I'm
not making it again. It's why Andy has been so
brilliant now that he has Mahomes in the biggest spots.
Why because he's had so much experience. Thirty years ago
he was coaching with Holmgren and Brett Farv so he
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can lean back on God. I remember this. I remember
Mike Holmgren, we should have done this and we didn't
do this, or the one time that we thought we
were gonna do this and we ended up doing this
in the work, how did these guys He's going up
against Todd Munkin and Joe Brady, who are really good,
and against most people they have an advantage. But like
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playing a Reid and Steve Spagnola, I'm looking at Todd Munkin,
who has a long career coaching. Well, the first year
coaching was nineteen ninety one, graduate assistant Notre Dame. Todd
Munkin's first year in the NFL was twenty sixteen. His
first year coaching in the NFL. Actually, excuse me, he
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coached for Jacksonville in two thousand and seven as a
wide receiver coach. Did not become a coordinator in the
NFL till twenty sixteen, and he's much older than Joe Brady.
But both those guys, for whatever reason, do they get tight.
Do they try to force feed something that was, you know,
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tied to their game plan because they spent so many
hours I don't know, but they have both been the
reason their team's lost. Munkin for sure, and even to
the Bills. The Joe Brady, the quarterback sneak things. I
can't even imagine what SPACs is, Like, how are they
continuing to run this? It's crazy? I hear you. I
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have a question for the mail back. Do you think
the Bills should go get Belichick? Do you think they
would consider it? Well, I think it's pretty clear Belichick
is gonna coach at North Carolina this year. I just
saw a headline a A. I think North Carolina places
Duke Saturday Night and they're gonna buy the all the
frats a bunch of pizza. You know, Belichick's really kind
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of embracing a lot of people think like Belichick really
wants to coach in the NFL. I do wonder if
your Bill you're just kind of ready for a new challenge.
I wonder if it's kind of fun you get around
a bunch of young people. Your girlfriend's twenty five. It's
just it's not like he's making three million dollars. He's
making a ton of money. He's got his buddy there,
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he's got his kid there. I wonder if he's just
kind of enjoying life. Now if the team sucks, I
could see him wanting to bounce, But it now that
he's gonna say at North Carolina. My question is, let's
say the same thing happens to the Bills and they
go okay, time to move on from Sean? What does
Bill need to do to make you feel good about hiring? Like,
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could Bill go six and six this year and get
hired in the NFL? Could Bill go I don't think
he can go five and seven, But what if he
want seven and five? Does it not matter at all?
I don't know. I think you'd have to acknowledge that
if he went like ten and two and they were
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really good, for sure that would help him. But if
you win six, seven games, eight nine, probably okay, Bill's fine.
I mean it's gonna be seventy three, seventy four years old,
and like you'd be like, well, Peek Carroll got hired. Yeah,
Peek Carroll got hired by the Raiders, who fucking blow
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Bill ain't taken that job. The quarterback meta has clearly
shifted towards the dual threat quarterbacks who can pass and run.
And it's not just my quarterbacks across the league are
exploiting the protections the NFL rules gives them. I agree
this needs to be addressed. The protections for quarterbacks shouldn't
apply when they behave like running backs. It's incredibly frustrating
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to watch quarterbacks slide the last second only to draw
fifteen yard penalties when defenders had no chance to avoid
the tackle. If quarterbacks want protection, they need to slide
well in advance of any hit. The same principle should
apply on the sideline. If a quarterback is trying to
maximize yardage or chooses not to step out of bounds
when they clearly could, they need to accept the risk
(28:36):
of being hit. Refs should judge each situation with one question.
Is the quarterback actively trying to maximize yardage? If the
answer is yes, they should be treated like any other player.
Totally agree, man, I mean I don't. I don't think
anyone disagrees with you. Once you run as a quarterback, Listen,
I'm all for protecting him when they're throwing, but these
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guys taking off have to be treated no different than
Saquon Barkley or Christian McCaffrey because that is what they become.
But they're just simply not. And when they run they
are treated completely different. Now part of it, I would
say one major difference is when Saquon Barkley gets around
a tackle and is in the open field like that
Trevor Lawrence play, or any quarterback that's going to slide,
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they are never going to slide, so the play as
a slider, that just changes the visual of a guy
flying in right. Because you're sliding, you are then pretty exposed.
And I would say when you do slide, you are defenseless.
When you lower your shoulder. You know, Baker Mayfield was
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the playoff game. They lowered his shoulder against Washington. There
was a game, maybe it was the last game of
the season, maybe it was the last game of the season.
That's what running backs do. So, like most a lot
of quarterbacks slide. And if you slide, like I hear you, now,
if you slide too close to the defender like then
(30:06):
you kind of complicate the situation. But it is different
than most skill guys like Dallas Goddard and Travis Kelsey
aren't sliding. Saint Kwan Barkley's not sliding. Kareem Hunt doesn't slide.
Quarterbacks do, so I don't know the exact answer, but
I hear you. They can't penalize everyone for tackling. As
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a Rams fan with Stafford's age, would you draft a
quarterback this year? You know there's a lot of growing
buzz on Jackson Dart being a potential first round pick,
and I've already thought could the Rams take them in
the twenties? Would they be a team? Because you look
at a lot of teams that in the twenties, right,
(30:50):
teams that made the playoffs? Who would take a quarterback? Chiefs,
no Bill's, no Ravens, no Texans, no Chargers, no Steelers,
potentially Bengals, no Colts, probably not this year, Lions, no Eagles,
no Tampa, no Vikings, know Commanders, no Packers, no like
(31:12):
of all the good teams, I would say they would
be the potential to draft a quarterback for sure. Can
you speak to the inflation in the draft for quarterbacks?
I feel like, should do wear five or ten years ago,
wouldn't even be a first round pick. Since Mahomes, Allen
and Lamar, every GMS thinks they have to have a
quarterback in the first round. I think it really changed
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in the middle of the teams because I think guys
trying to think of the year Derek Carr.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
What year was Derek Carr drafted?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Derek Carr was drafted in twenty fourteen. If you go
to the twenty fourteen draft, there are two quarterbacks taken
in the second run, one being Derek. Teddy Bridgewater went
at the end of the first he went pick thirty two,
Derek Carr went pick thirty six, and I'm pretty sure
(32:13):
Jimmy Garoppolo went pick sixty two. I think nowadays Derek
is a one hundred per lock first rounder, and I
think Jimmy would be highly discussed as a late first
round pick. I think when you look historically, this draft
is a good example. I'm with you. I think Schador
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would go in the second day of the draft. I
think Jackson Dart for sure would be like a third
round pick. I think cam Ward would be like a
project for someone in the twenties. And the moment that
Kenny Pickett Mac Jones back to back years went in
the first round, it was like people were paying five
(32:53):
million dollars for a million dollar home, and then it
turned out, well, those homes actually were probably worth like
one hundred thousand dollars and that's where you get in
big trouble. You know, when you overpay for stuff, it
doesn't kill you if that thing works right, whatever it
might be in life. But when you overpay, which what
a high first round pick is, on someone that is
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not even remotely close to that, and especially at quarterback
at least at other positions, you can't. Like if a
defensive lineman, you draft a defensive line in tenth and
it turns out, you know what, this guy's not gonna
be jj watt, this guy's not gonna be an all pro,
but he's okay, he can still play. Same thing with
receivers or tight ends or running backs like they can
(33:36):
still play. But at quarterback, if the guy sucks, you're
just like, we're kind of screwed. We're just really really screwed.
You know. Will Levis is a good example. His junior year,
I liked Will Levis. I'm not gonna deny that I
thought he had a chance. By his last year it
was really ugly and clearly as a pro like he
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was a guy that just you can't plan it, you
just can't play it. So once you draft him, I
would say, in the top fifty, if you draft a
quarterback in the first or second round. He's going to
start for you. And if he's starting for you and
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Okay, I think we this's the last question from your
pot every day, I've learned we share not only the
passion of football, particularly the NFL, but also the stock market.
What do you love about it? What are some of
the things you enjoy buying? And what are some of
the strategies you enjoy? Obviously not financial advice, just curious,
not financial advice. This is not financial advice.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I think we all get our You need to be
kind of how do you how do you put it?
Like get the butterflies inside going? And when you hear
a coach talk about it, they say game day really
gets them going. When you hear business people like doing
a deal gets them going like I do get like
(36:43):
the risk in my life. I'm never gonna be a
guy that's going to like jump out of a plane
like that doesn't get my rocks off, go bungee jumping,
or even go down like a double black knive in hell.
I retired from skiing twenty years ago because they want
to tear an acl So I do get thrills. That's
why I like gambling on sports of just like risking money.
(37:04):
You know, there's something that feeling inside is not really
comparable to anything else I do in life. I don't
get that feeling recording a podcast. I don't get that
feeling reacting to games. I really enjoy it. I think
I'm pretty good at it, but there's a feeling of
as a as a gambler. Now sports gambling for example,
I mean it's just a true coin flip when once
(37:27):
you realize that you're betting on Netflix over the last
five years, like Netflix ain't going anywhere, right. So I
remember probably in like twenty ten or eleven, all I
had or a couple thousand dollars saved up, and it
was as the financial crisis was ending and we were
turning the corner, and I remember betting on Like someone
in my life told me, like, a, you know, Bank
(37:48):
of America and Wells Fargo are really really low right now,
you should put some money on them. In the stock market,
I turned two grand into like five. I was like,
that's a pretty incredible feeling. And unlike gambling is like
you win or lose when the game ends. You know,
it was stock like you could be down fifty percent,
buy more dollar cost average that bad boy down. It's
(38:10):
like Charlie Munger says, you don't deserve big returns if
you can't handle fifty percent losses. Well, the thing with
the fifty percent loss in the stock market, you do
not have to sell. And like, I'm not in the
real estate world. I tried to write down a condo
a couple of years ago, and I thought it was
just a pain in the ass. And obviously a lot
of people make money that way, Like I like making
my money in the stock market. Plus I kind of
(38:32):
enjoyed the highs and lows of it, like it's just
kind of made for me. And there is no better
feeling than whatever the money is. Turning one thousand into two,
turning ten into twenty, turning one hundred and two hundred,
you know, turned a million into two or three, and
then just once you find companies that are working well,
like Uber's been good to me, Zillo right now has
(38:53):
been really good to me. I own a lot of
draft kings and that's been ripping. But I've also so
like have a big position in some companies and a
big ATF like clean energy thing that's way down and
I've bought more.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
It will work.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
But I've also, as I've gotten older, learned to pivot,
Like I've taken a lot of big losses and reinvested
into other places, which I wouldn't have been able to
do five or six years ago. I think it's really
helped me become numb to money, which I'm a huge
believer in again, not like being reckless with it and
(39:32):
respecting how hard it is to make money. But I
think a lot of quote unquote unsuccessful people in you know,
business or in life, they get so emotionally and I
saw it growing up, they become very emotionally tied to money.
I'm very unemotional when it comes to money, and I've
definitely learned that and grown that way through the stock market,
(39:53):
and it's really really helped me, and it's just become
like I would say, probably my biggest nonspense or it's
interest by a mile. And I listen and consume way
more I wouldn't say way more, but more like podcasts
on money than I do football. But then again, I
listen to more golf content than I I don't listen
(40:15):
to that much football stuff. So that's probably a bad example.
But I don't know. There's the risk involved in it.
There's just clearly I mean a lot of successful people
are involved in it. So I'm not trying to, you know,
reinvent the wheel here, just kind of follow people that
I admire. They do it, and I try to do it. Now,
maybe my strategy is a little different theirs. I don't
I don't have some Steve Cohen here. I'm not pretending
(40:38):
to be Warren Buffett here. And when you just hear
these people talk, it's not that complicated, you know, Like
Charlie Monger says, Costco is the best company in the history.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Hey, wrong, Have you ever been to Costco lately? You
go in there, You're like, this thing is an ATM,
just one giant fucking ATM. When I first started going
because I didn't go to Costco much till I met Maria.
Because you live by yourself, you don't need to go
to Costco. Then you buy a house, you get someone
else in your life, start going to Costco and you're like,
this place is incredible. I wonder if Charlie loves this thing.
(41:09):
But it's no different than like the Tony Robbins thing.
It's like, well, you got an Apple, you got an iPhone,
you got an Apple computer, you listen to Apple music,
you got AirPods. You know, probably would have been smart
to invest in Apple over the last decade. Yeah, I
probably would have. What's Warren do? I didn't, But I
don't know. I just I enjoy gambling. I think it's
(41:31):
just something My dad was not a big gambler, and
maybe that's why I'm such a big gambler. And I'm
not even just talking about gambling like on Draftking, I'm
just staying in general in life, I've always been a
big risk a guy. I like doing that again, professionally, professionally.
That that's that gets me off where some people like
(41:52):
they like jumping out of a plane or going like
white water rafting, like that just doesn't really do it
for me. I mean, that's not you, so you just
it's just I don't know. I think the stock market
was made for me. It really was. Yeah, that's that's
probably it. Audios everyone, have a good weekend. Talk to
you soon. The volume
The volume, What is going on everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How are we doing my people? Hopefully everyone's doing well,
Everyone's having a good day. My game plan was originally
to not do anything, and I was like, I was
looking at my DMS, and I have so many and
a lot of yours questions for the mail bag get lost.
And I don't ever want anyone to think I'm skipping you,
because I'm not trying to, but just the process in
(00:39):
which we do it right now is just some are
going to get lost in the shuffle. So I kind
of went through and got some questions that are a
little older. I'm gonna try to bang out, and I
thought I'd put out a little weekend mail bag edition.
Sometimes I know as a consumer, you know you're working out,
you're on a walk, you're just doing something you need
someone to listen to, and there's never anything new, So
(01:00):
kind of like this little honey hole, or as Jerry
would call it, a little glory hole, which obviously a
lot of people made fun of them. I saw someone
come out and said, those are actually way back in
the day, we're known as like when you'd find some gold.
I think that's what Jerry alluded to, but funny. Nonetheless,
we will have podcasts next week. I'm going to New
Orleans for about forty eight hours. I'm mainly going not
(01:22):
for content purposes though last year. There are so many
people that I would like to have on the podcast
that will be at the Volume party. So it's a
good way to kind of, you know, rub elbows and
kind of get some relationships so we can interview people
throughout the year. But also I just got to meet
people that sponsor this podcast, potential sponsors. Basically a forty
(01:43):
eight hour sales trip for me, which listen, you gotta
do what you gotta do. So today we'll just be
a little mail bag. I try to bang out as
many as we can. We'll kind of go rapid fire.
Longtime listener and Eagles fan pump for the Super Bowl.
What do you think is the most important thing the
Eagles need to do to pull off the upset and
(02:04):
beat the Chiefs? Personally, I think the Eagles O line
versus the Chiefs D line is the most crucial matchup
of the game. Long sustained drives and keep the ball
out of Mahomes' hands as much as possible. I would agree.
Having success running the ball will be huge. But I
think if you look back on that Packers game, you know,
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green Bay for a large percentage of it was playing
pretty good defense, and ultimately the problem was Jordan Love
was an abomination for a lot of it. So that's
not going to be the Chiefs trying.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
To pull up.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Where is the Chiefs Commander's Packers twenty two to ten.
So Saquon ran for one hundred and twenty yards in
that game and a long run of seventeen. So now
the Eagles were up the whole time, right, I think
of that that's the case. I think that number would
(03:02):
probably be a little lower against the Chiefs, and that
would be problematic. I think the Chiefs, of all their
three games will look at the Green Bay game and go,
that is our mindset going into the game. You know,
Saquon had one hundred and nineteen yards. I would guess
he had some runs in the second half to help
add up to that. You know, Jalen had six for
thirty six. You know, the Eagles strategy to win like
(03:24):
their defense is good, right, you know, Kelsey should have
an impact that the Eagles are somewhat susceptible over the
middle of the field. But the corner plays good. You know,
the Chiefs, What are the Chiefs gonna run for one
hundred yards? But they were just comfortable playing in these weird,
ugly games. So listen the Eagles. You just got to
hope that, you know, Jalen and Saquon kind of make
(03:47):
enough plays on the ground because when they're making plays
on the ground, it opens up their passing offense and
just for explosive plays. Though, Like you know, when you
watch the Chiefs like they're pretty dialed in these big
they really are. And Andy Reid Mahomes versus Vick Fangio,
like Fango has been pretty damn good this year, and
(04:08):
that's just like something gonna give is Fangio gonna finally
get off on Mahomes. I think I saw a stat
Mahomes throughout his career against Vic, and obviously Vic, you know,
was a Bronco coach for a little bit, has been
really really good. So yeah, I mean I just think
no turnovers like that's you're not gonna lose the if
you don't win the turnover battle or just go zero
(04:30):
to zero. But you can't have like two turnovers and
they have zero. You can't have honestly, probably any discrepancy.
If anything, it has to be a wash. So if
you have one, they have one, okay, but you cannot
have one and they have none because typically the chiefs
in these big spots, like you fumble, you turn the
ball over, they're gonna turn it into touchdown. And that
(04:51):
that feels like it happens in playoff games, just in general.
Packer fan. With Mark Murphy retiring and ed Policy coming
in the new president, I think I think he's Carmen
Policy's son.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I did not know that Ed Policy. Let me look
up this character, Ed Policy. Green Bay Packers fifty four
years old from Youngstown, Ohio. Never forget Eddie de barbelow Youngstown, Ohio,
a little mob run town back in the day. He
has been in the Arena League for a long time.
(05:24):
He worked in the league office, and he's been with
the Packers now for well over ten years. Question, do
you think Lafloor and Goody's seats are at least lukewarm.
I'm only saying this because it seems like Lafloor is
a good coach, but I'm not sure he's the guy
to take us over the hump With Goody, I think
he always drafts the best quote unquote project instead of
(05:45):
the best football player available. I could be wrong and
overthinking this. What's your opinion. I just have a hard
time seeing them on the hot seat. Now, I know
your organization's a little different. You know, it felt like
Mark was the pseudo owner, So now does Ed have
that ability. His roles with the Packers from twelve to
eighteen were VP and general counselor so aka council aka lawyer.
(06:10):
Now he's the COO general counsel.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, I don't see why he would get rid of
either of those guys for the foreseeable future. Didn't they
both just get contract extensions too. I think we need
to pump the brakes a little bit on the talk
about those two guys. Pretty legendary move. They punted on
Aaron Rodgers nailed it, and listen, Jordan loves a polarizing
player back to back years in the playoffs. So I
(06:34):
think you're gonna be okay. Question for the mailbag, big fan.
I'm a huge fan of the NFL, and I occasionally
watch baseball and basketball. I struggle to consistently watch those
sports because of the long regular season. I find the
regular season games useless when an NFL game every week matters,
which is why they are more fun and more successful
(06:55):
with viewers. I'm fine with missing a basketball or baseball game,
but I feel like I can't even miss a Week
five primetime NFL game. I think it would be a
good idea to make playoff basketball and baseball games a
one game series like football. What do you think the
sport's not set up like that, right? I mean part
(07:16):
of football is the games are unique. There's there once
a week and before Thursday night football, it was you
practice six times more than you play, right in your
coaches and the game plan, Like, do you think most
NBA coaches are game planning on a nightly basis? No chance,
(07:37):
definitely not you know, implementing it or you know, giving
it to the players like they do in a playoff
series where the NFL, the way you approach Week five
is not that much different than the way you approach
a playoff game. Obviously there's quote unquote more on the line.
But like you meet six days five days before the game,
(07:58):
you you know, you get the first down situation, get
the Wednesday game plan, then you start talking about third down,
then you talk about goal line, you go over special situations,
I mean, you do the the Chiefs. The way they
approach that Bills game last week is no different than
the way they approached a week ten game against whoever
their opponent was. It's just not right. So I think
(08:24):
that is a huge the football, the setup of the
sport is just the polar opposite of these other two sports.
You know, part of baseball is the regular season, it's
all the games. So to have a one game situation,
Baseball is not a one game situation sport. Even basketball,
I'd argue you go more five game series, but you know,
(08:46):
their business model is not that, and it would feel
a little bit unfair because anyone can win in a
one game situation, which to what you're saying, is why
you want that. But I think every one in those
sports would push back and it's just never happen. Question
for the mailbag. I saw a report how the Browns
regretted letting go of Flacco, but I also saw the
Browns are not even in contention to resign him. Why
(09:10):
are these franchises so hesitant on running things back when
you had reasonable success? Well, it was clear why they
let him go. You know, you couldn't bring him back
with Deshaun, which to me now that he's injured and
he got injured again for not wearing the boot, like
Deshaun and Mulgeta pulled one of the great legal scams
in American history of what they've done to the Browns. Now,
(09:32):
the Browns were complicit and specifically their owner had to
sign off on it, but it just you talk about, Wow,
what a heist. That is called highway robbery and you
can never get in trouble for it. Now, I saw
some reports about them going after him because he wasn't
wearing the boot. I would doubt that that comes through.
(09:56):
But man, Deshaun Watson's story is one of the worst moves,
especially when you factor in the money slash than the
play in the history of sports. Honestly, it's not even close.
So I don't know the Browns. I would guess that
they draft a quarterback in this draft mail bag, great content.
(10:22):
Been listening from the UK for two years. I love
that you're not afraid anyway. Question should either the Bills
or Ravens consider hiring Spags as their next head coach?
Harvough and mcdermotto great coaches However, their teams clearly have
inferiority complex when it comes to playoff Chiefs. I don't
see how either coaches convince their players that they have
(10:44):
the game plan to beat playoff Reeden Mahomes. Spags would
improve the ex's no's on defense, but more importantly, maybe
he could give the players a new belief that he
has the formula, the inside formula on beating the Chiefs. Finally,
this is also potentially wens the Chiefs defense all the best. Stanny,
I think he makes some valid points. You know, historically,
(11:06):
a guy like Spags would always get a job. I
think the problem is for those two teams is Listen,
Spags has been an incredible defensive coordinator. When he was
a head coach, it was pretty ugly and clearly over
his head. And he there was an article written last
year in The Athletic that he's all come to grips
(11:26):
with he's not going to get another job, Like he
understands that's probably the way it's going to go, and
it's just it's just the way it's going to go.
He's never gonna get hired away. And John Harball won
a Super Bowl. You know, Sean McDermott. I know it
sucks losing to the to the Bills. There is no
guarantee that Spags would be as good as him during
the season. I hear what you're saying about the individual
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matchup with the Chiefs, and that is true that there
is no way that he couldn't talk to them about
beating the Chiefs and instill some confidence. It'd be impossible
for him not to because of all his inside knowledge.
I mean, he's practice against Mahomes for whatever since ten
not ten years, but six seven straight years. I just
(12:10):
think that this is not going to happen definitely with
John Hornball. McDermott could get fired, like maybe after another year,
but they would not Hirespagnola. Uh hey, John, I've been
listening to the pod religiously for about the about five months.
I recently got accepted to Maris College and I am
excited to major in sports communication. Did you know what
(12:36):
you wanted to do coming out of high school and
what did you major it? Did it relate to your
passion in sports? I had no clue. I was To
say I was an immature seventeen year old would probably
be an understatement. I was not even remotely thinking about that.
I mean, it's when I was going to college. I
(12:57):
was thinking about drinking and hanging out with you. That's
all I was thinking about screwing around. It was a
couple of years into college where you realized, like I
kind of got bored of that, not the chicks part,
but just the partying and just feeling like what am
I gonna do? And I had I had interned my
first summer maybe it was my second summer in college
(13:19):
for this guy at Morgan Stanley, because I was like,
that's what people do in college, you know, they go
and they find some white collar job. So I interviewed
for this guy at Morgan Stanley who was just like
a financial you know. Uh, I don't know if he's
technically a broker. I don't know what his exact title was,
(13:39):
just a VP of money management. And I remember being
a couple months in. I guess it wasn't even a
couple maybe a couple of weeks in. I guess the
internship probably lasted the summer, so three months, and I
was just doing such stupid, mundane stuff. And one task
was like he used to hold art shows because clearly
(14:00):
had helped his business people would come look at art,
and then he would bees with them and he'd get
their business. Like it was a smart move on his part,
But I was like ripping paintings off the wall and
spackling it. And listen, no matter what job you do,
especially at twenty two twenty three years old, more than
likely are gonna do some dumb tasks. But at the time,
I didn't know anything about the stock market. I didn't
(14:22):
even care about the stock market. So it's like, why
am I doing this? Because other people say that this
is like a good profession, this is an honorable way
to live. I don't care about any of this stuff.
What I really missed is like after high school, I
didn't play anything. In college, so you're in a fraternity,
you got buddies, but it's just not quite the same
(14:44):
I missed. And from there I just kind of got
involved in the athletic program and it just kind of
took off from there. But it was like the only
thing in my life that I could see myself doing
because I realized once you go to a college and
Cal Pauly is like, you know, engineering school, we were
an AG program. I you have to declare your major
(15:05):
at cal poly and it was I wouldn't have got
in just as a business major, So I got in
as an ag business major. I mean, my dad was
a farmer. And I don't even think nowadays like it's
impossible to get in for anybody. But I just remember
some of my roommates were like, you know, architectural engineering.
Other people were in business, and I realized, like, I'm
not as smart as some of these guys. So if
(15:27):
you whatever you're gonna do as a profession, you better
like because if you don't like it and you're not,
you know, the fucking smartest guy in the room, you're
gonna be in some trouble when it comes to successfully
doing well in whatever you're doing. So I realized, luckily
early on the only chance I had to have success,
and I was very driven to be successful, but I
(15:50):
didn't quite understand or know what I wanted to do. Right.
But even when I went to college, I knew I
wanted to be successful in life. I realized through college
being around really smart people that like I got to
find what I like to do to maximize my ability
because some people didn't even have to try, and they
would like get straight a's, and those guys went on.
I knew. I had a buddy that sold his business
(16:13):
in his mid thirties for millions of dollars. Smartest guy
I've ever been around. And it's just you've got to
understand your capabilities. And I think that really helped realizing, like,
I better do what I like to do. And the
only thing I really liked in college was sports, so
I just kind of gravitate toward it and then it
kind of materialized from there. But even there, I love football.
(16:36):
But if you would have told me, like my sophomore
or junior year in college, that I would have worked
in the NFL, you know, when I got to be
around like Howie and some of these guys in the NFL,
they knew they wanted to work in the I mean,
how He knew he wanted to work in the NFL
when he was like five. It's like Tiger Woods, like
he knew he wanted to dominate a golf when he
was five. I was not like that. So you don't
(16:57):
have to be like that to go on to have success.
But once you figure out like kind of the path
you want to go, I went all in. You know,
the Cortes burned the boats. I never had any second options.
I never was going to work in another profession. I
was never gonna be like, well, just sell insurance for
a year. And sometimes when people ask me advice, like
hey man, I'm thinking I got this offer to go
work at Chase Bank, or I got this offer to
(17:19):
go do this, it's like, well, you know, if you
do want to follow the sports path, whatever that may be,
you're not gonna make very much money. So if you
do take that other path, even if you are working
the shittiest job at Chase Bank, especially if you're working
like New York City, whatever you're making out of college.
And I don't even know the going rates for twenty
(17:40):
three year old, but i'll just pick a number within
one hundred grand. You're not sniffing that. So within five years,
if you start doing well, you will never be able
to make the jump. So you'll make enough money where
it's like going to be hard to jump even if
you don't like the profession. And I had a lot
of friends in college that we're just even acquaintances that
I knew we're taking a lot of money in their twenties,
(18:02):
And luckily it didn't really FaZe me. It's like, yeah,
I don't want that life. While I was making nothing,
and then you know, once the kind of damn opened
and I would say six seven years ago for me,
not even that, probably five years ago, you realize it
was all worth it. But there's a lot of times
when you start looking in the mirror you're like, what
am I doing. Luckily, you like it enough that you
(18:24):
just deal with it, even because it's naturally gonna complain.
A huge fan of the pod, I'm headed to the Scottsdale.
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to find options. If you're staying in like North Scottsdale
is probably like more normal, nice restaurants, not as crazy.
I would say it's a little slower up here, but
if you're staying in old town, you're coming here to
have a good time, enjoy it. I think I will
be there on Friday. So if you see me cruising
around and say, what's up? Do you think there is
(19:29):
any likelihood of John Mara reversing his decision to keep Joe,
Shane and Daball If Saquon leads Philly to the Super
Bowl given his comments during the offseason, it would compound
an already poor season. I think they're stuck. I mean,
I think you're just he made his decision, he's sticking
with it. I've been adamant on this. I don't see
(19:51):
how they fixed this in one offseason. They were so
bad last year. I know they got a bunch of
injuries as the year went on, but they were terrible.
They really were, And part of that was Daniel Jones
was atrocious. But who are they gonna have playing quarterback
next year? I mean, yeah, they started going to de
Vito and Drew Lock. I know Drew Lock had the one.
(20:12):
Get who'd they be again? Like, oh, the Colts Drew
Locket like the game of his life. But I don't know, man,
I just think I think they're in trouble, just because
I don't think it's possible to accumulate enough talent if
you don't have the quarterback. And where are they getting
the quarterback even if they draft I saw clip on
Instagram then Bribe day ball at the East West Shrine
(20:34):
game followed Chador around everywhere. It was constantly around Shador,
even if they draft Shadoor at three overall. I mean,
that's listen. I gambled on Colorado this year and they
won some crazy games, but it's not like they were
blowing everyone out, you know. So you're coming to a
team and the one thing Colorado had were elite skill guys.
He had Travis Hunter, he had other good wide receivers.
(20:56):
They could score, like their skill on offense neighbors is good.
But the rest of the operation, I don't know. And
then the pressure of just like everything being on him.
He's kind of you know, he doesn't really play in
the context of the offense. He freelances a time, which
I don't mind, but I think it would be really,
really difficult this is regarding the Bills Chiefs game. I
(21:17):
feel like Buffalo's play calling down the stretch really cost him.
Cook was dominant with the ball in his hands, and
then suddenly all the Bills want to do is run
the quarterback sneak. I understand this limits the chances of
a negative play and Josh is obviously excellent, but it
also limits the ability for a big play. What do
you think about the play calling by Brady in the
(21:38):
second half? Why didn't Cook get some more opportunities when
he's really cooking? Love the show. I think you could
play that game and a lot of big losses in
the history of football, and I think it's really really
obvious to us as fans. I think sometimes you know
in football, with the scouts, with the gms, but sometimes
these coaches they overthink themselves. They just get into this mindset,
(22:06):
especially for a young coordinator. Maybe he was adamant that
it was going to work throughout the week, and then
when it's not working in the game, he doesn't pivot,
And you go, how does he not pivot? Because he
spent let's say, ninety hours, slept five hours a night
for five straight nights, and he believed you know deep
in the soul that his game plan was going to work,
(22:28):
and then all of a sudden it stopped working. But
he refused to pivot. And sometimes I think that's his experience.
You know, how old is Joe Brady thirty five years old,
thirty six years old? How old is he? Thirty five
years old? So he's going up against Steve Spagnola, who's
beat literally everyone that matters. That Brady said on the
(22:48):
broadcast is the toughest defensive coordinator or one of them
he's ever gone against in his life. He's an incredible blitzer,
He's an incredible schemer. Steve Spagnola is thirty years older
than Joe Brady. Steve Spagnola broke into the NFL twenty
five years ago. So Joe Brady, who everyone you know
(23:11):
loves that, he was the assistant offensive analyst for the
Saints in twenty eighteen. His first year in the NFL
is twenty eighteen. Steve Spagnola, at forty years old, joined
Andy Reid in nineteen ninety nine. It's just not a
fair fight. And if you're not going to adapt, like
I don't know, We've seen it happen time and time again.
(23:32):
We'll see it happen again. I'm sure you are doing
the postgame take right now, so maybe I've missed the boat.
The Chiefs, Reid Mahomes are legit and deserve to go
to a Super Bowl, no argument. However, while Allen was
over amp tight in the first half, I feel like
Brady was as well, and it cost the Bills the
game once they were zero four on sneaks over the
(23:54):
left guard, abandoning the run. Terrible red zone play calling. Yes,
players have to execute, but totally agree. One huge advantage
for the Chiefs these last two years, and this is
why they're champions. Right. It's football is not just about
like who has the best roster. You know who the
Chiefs are depending on Xavier Worthy, who's a rookie. Right,
(24:16):
It's about we are going to outthink you. We are
not gonna make the mistakes you're gonna make. Why because
Andy Goes I made that mistake twenty years ago, I'm
not making it again. It's why Andy has been so
brilliant now that he has Mahomes in the biggest spots.
Why because he's had so much experience. Thirty years ago
he was coaching with Holmgren and Brett Farv so he
(24:38):
can lean back on God. I remember this. I remember
Mike Holmgren, we should have done this and we didn't
do this, or the one time that we thought we
were gonna do this and we ended up doing this
in the work, how did these guys He's going up
against Todd Munkin and Joe Brady, who are really good,
and against most people they have an advantage. But like
(24:59):
playing a Reid and Steve Spagnola, I'm looking at Todd Munkin,
who has a long career coaching. Well, the first year
coaching was nineteen ninety one, graduate assistant Notre Dame. Todd
Munkin's first year in the NFL was twenty sixteen. His
first year coaching in the NFL. Actually, excuse me, he
(25:19):
coached for Jacksonville in two thousand and seven as a
wide receiver coach. Did not become a coordinator in the
NFL till twenty sixteen, and he's much older than Joe Brady.
But both those guys, for whatever reason, do they get tight.
Do they try to force feed something that was, you know,
(25:41):
tied to their game plan because they spent so many
hours I don't know, but they have both been the
reason their team's lost. Munkin for sure, and even to
the Bills. The Joe Brady, the quarterback sneak things. I
can't even imagine what SPACs is, Like, how are they
continuing to run this? It's crazy? I hear you. I
(26:04):
have a question for the mail back. Do you think
the Bills should go get Belichick? Do you think they
would consider it? Well, I think it's pretty clear Belichick
is gonna coach at North Carolina this year. I just
saw a headline a A. I think North Carolina places
Duke Saturday Night and they're gonna buy the all the
frats a bunch of pizza. You know, Belichick's really kind
(26:25):
of embracing a lot of people think like Belichick really
wants to coach in the NFL. I do wonder if
your Bill you're just kind of ready for a new challenge.
I wonder if it's kind of fun you get around
a bunch of young people. Your girlfriend's twenty five. It's
just it's not like he's making three million dollars. He's
making a ton of money. He's got his buddy there,
(26:46):
he's got his kid there. I wonder if he's just
kind of enjoying life. Now if the team sucks, I
could see him wanting to bounce, But it now that
he's gonna say at North Carolina. My question is, let's
say the same thing happens to the Bills and they
go okay, time to move on from Sean? What does
Bill need to do to make you feel good about hiring? Like,
(27:08):
could Bill go six and six this year and get
hired in the NFL? Could Bill go I don't think
he can go five and seven, But what if he
want seven and five? Does it not matter at all?
I don't know. I think you'd have to acknowledge that
if he went like ten and two and they were
(27:29):
really good, for sure that would help him. But if
you win six, seven games, eight nine, probably okay, Bill's fine.
I mean it's gonna be seventy three, seventy four years old,
and like you'd be like, well, Peek Carroll got hired. Yeah,
Peek Carroll got hired by the Raiders, who fucking blow
(27:51):
Bill ain't taken that job. The quarterback meta has clearly
shifted towards the dual threat quarterbacks who can pass and run.
And it's not just my quarterbacks across the league are
exploiting the protections the NFL rules gives them. I agree
this needs to be addressed. The protections for quarterbacks shouldn't
apply when they behave like running backs. It's incredibly frustrating
(28:13):
to watch quarterbacks slide the last second only to draw
fifteen yard penalties when defenders had no chance to avoid
the tackle. If quarterbacks want protection, they need to slide
well in advance of any hit. The same principle should
apply on the sideline. If a quarterback is trying to
maximize yardage or chooses not to step out of bounds
when they clearly could, they need to accept the risk
(28:36):
of being hit. Refs should judge each situation with one question.
Is the quarterback actively trying to maximize yardage? If the
answer is yes, they should be treated like any other player.
Totally agree, man, I mean I don't. I don't think
anyone disagrees with you. Once you run as a quarterback, Listen,
I'm all for protecting him when they're throwing, but these
(28:59):
guys taking off have to be treated no different than
Saquon Barkley or Christian McCaffrey because that is what they become.
But they're just simply not. And when they run they
are treated completely different. Now part of it, I would
say one major difference is when Saquon Barkley gets around
a tackle and is in the open field like that
Trevor Lawrence play, or any quarterback that's going to slide,
(29:22):
they are never going to slide, so the play as
a slider, that just changes the visual of a guy
flying in right. Because you're sliding, you are then pretty exposed.
And I would say when you do slide, you are defenseless.
When you lower your shoulder. You know, Baker Mayfield was
(29:45):
the playoff game. They lowered his shoulder against Washington. There
was a game, maybe it was the last game of
the season, maybe it was the last game of the season.
That's what running backs do. So, like most a lot
of quarterbacks slide. And if you slide, like I hear you, now,
if you slide too close to the defender like then
(30:06):
you kind of complicate the situation. But it is different
than most skill guys like Dallas Goddard and Travis Kelsey
aren't sliding. Saint Kwan Barkley's not sliding. Kareem Hunt doesn't slide.
Quarterbacks do, so I don't know the exact answer, but
I hear you. They can't penalize everyone for tackling. As
(30:27):
a Rams fan with Stafford's age, would you draft a
quarterback this year? You know there's a lot of growing
buzz on Jackson Dart being a potential first round pick,
and I've already thought could the Rams take them in
the twenties? Would they be a team? Because you look
at a lot of teams that in the twenties, right,
(30:50):
teams that made the playoffs? Who would take a quarterback? Chiefs,
no Bill's, no Ravens, no Texans, no Chargers, no Steelers,
potentially Bengals, no Colts, probably not this year, Lions, no Eagles,
no Tampa, no Vikings, know Commanders, no Packers, no like
(31:12):
of all the good teams, I would say they would
be the potential to draft a quarterback for sure. Can
you speak to the inflation in the draft for quarterbacks?
I feel like, should do wear five or ten years ago,
wouldn't even be a first round pick. Since Mahomes, Allen
and Lamar, every GMS thinks they have to have a
quarterback in the first round. I think it really changed
(31:35):
in the middle of the teams because I think guys
trying to think of the year Derek Carr.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
What year was Derek Carr drafted?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Derek Carr was drafted in twenty fourteen. If you go
to the twenty fourteen draft, there are two quarterbacks taken
in the second run, one being Derek. Teddy Bridgewater went
at the end of the first he went pick thirty two,
Derek Carr went pick thirty six, and I'm pretty sure
(32:13):
Jimmy Garoppolo went pick sixty two. I think nowadays Derek
is a one hundred per lock first rounder, and I
think Jimmy would be highly discussed as a late first
round pick. I think when you look historically, this draft
is a good example. I'm with you. I think Schador
(32:33):
would go in the second day of the draft. I
think Jackson Dart for sure would be like a third
round pick. I think cam Ward would be like a
project for someone in the twenties. And the moment that
Kenny Pickett Mac Jones back to back years went in
the first round, it was like people were paying five
(32:53):
million dollars for a million dollar home, and then it
turned out, well, those homes actually were probably worth like
one hundred thousand dollars and that's where you get in
big trouble. You know, when you overpay for stuff, it
doesn't kill you if that thing works right, whatever it
might be in life. But when you overpay, which what
a high first round pick is, on someone that is
(33:14):
not even remotely close to that, and especially at quarterback
at least at other positions, you can't. Like if a
defensive lineman, you draft a defensive line in tenth and
it turns out, you know what, this guy's not gonna
be jj watt, this guy's not gonna be an all pro,
but he's okay, he can still play. Same thing with
receivers or tight ends or running backs like they can
(33:36):
still play. But at quarterback, if the guy sucks, you're
just like, we're kind of screwed. We're just really really screwed.
You know. Will Levis is a good example. His junior year,
I liked Will Levis. I'm not gonna deny that I
thought he had a chance. By his last year it
was really ugly and clearly as a pro like he
(33:57):
was a guy that just you can't plan it, you
just can't play it. So once you draft him, I
would say, in the top fifty, if you draft a
quarterback in the first or second round. He's going to
start for you. And if he's starting for you and
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Okay, I think we this's the last question from your
pot every day, I've learned we share not only the
passion of football, particularly the NFL, but also the stock market.
What do you love about it? What are some of
the things you enjoy buying? And what are some of
the strategies you enjoy? Obviously not financial advice, just curious,
not financial advice. This is not financial advice.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I think we all get our You need to be
kind of how do you how do you put it?
Like get the butterflies inside going? And when you hear
a coach talk about it, they say game day really
gets them going. When you hear business people like doing
a deal gets them going like I do get like
(36:43):
the risk in my life. I'm never gonna be a
guy that's going to like jump out of a plane
like that doesn't get my rocks off, go bungee jumping,
or even go down like a double black knive in hell.
I retired from skiing twenty years ago because they want
to tear an acl So I do get thrills. That's
why I like gambling on sports of just like risking money.
(37:04):
You know, there's something that feeling inside is not really
comparable to anything else I do in life. I don't
get that feeling recording a podcast. I don't get that
feeling reacting to games. I really enjoy it. I think
I'm pretty good at it, but there's a feeling of
as a as a gambler. Now sports gambling for example,
I mean it's just a true coin flip when once
(37:27):
you realize that you're betting on Netflix over the last
five years, like Netflix ain't going anywhere, right. So I
remember probably in like twenty ten or eleven, all I
had or a couple thousand dollars saved up, and it
was as the financial crisis was ending and we were
turning the corner, and I remember betting on Like someone
in my life told me, like, a, you know, Bank
(37:48):
of America and Wells Fargo are really really low right now,
you should put some money on them. In the stock market,
I turned two grand into like five. I was like,
that's a pretty incredible feeling. And unlike gambling is like
you win or lose when the game ends. You know,
it was stock like you could be down fifty percent,
buy more dollar cost average that bad boy down. It's
(38:10):
like Charlie Munger says, you don't deserve big returns if
you can't handle fifty percent losses. Well, the thing with
the fifty percent loss in the stock market, you do
not have to sell. And like, I'm not in the
real estate world. I tried to write down a condo
a couple of years ago, and I thought it was
just a pain in the ass. And obviously a lot
of people make money that way, Like I like making
my money in the stock market. Plus I kind of
(38:32):
enjoyed the highs and lows of it, like it's just
kind of made for me. And there is no better
feeling than whatever the money is. Turning one thousand into two,
turning ten into twenty, turning one hundred and two hundred,
you know, turned a million into two or three, and
then just once you find companies that are working well,
like Uber's been good to me, Zillo right now has
(38:53):
been really good to me. I own a lot of
draft kings and that's been ripping. But I've also so
like have a big position in some companies and a
big ATF like clean energy thing that's way down and
I've bought more.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
It will work.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
But I've also, as I've gotten older, learned to pivot,
Like I've taken a lot of big losses and reinvested
into other places, which I wouldn't have been able to
do five or six years ago. I think it's really
helped me become numb to money, which I'm a huge
believer in again, not like being reckless with it and
(39:32):
respecting how hard it is to make money. But I
think a lot of quote unquote unsuccessful people in you know,
business or in life, they get so emotionally and I
saw it growing up, they become very emotionally tied to money.
I'm very unemotional when it comes to money, and I've
definitely learned that and grown that way through the stock market,
(39:53):
and it's really really helped me, and it's just become
like I would say, probably my biggest nonspense or it's
interest by a mile. And I listen and consume way
more I wouldn't say way more, but more like podcasts
on money than I do football. But then again, I
listen to more golf content than I I don't listen
(40:15):
to that much football stuff. So that's probably a bad example.
But I don't know. There's the risk involved in it.
There's just clearly I mean a lot of successful people
are involved in it. So I'm not trying to, you know,
reinvent the wheel here, just kind of follow people that
I admire. They do it, and I try to do it. Now,
maybe my strategy is a little different theirs. I don't
I don't have some Steve Cohen here. I'm not pretending
(40:38):
to be Warren Buffett here. And when you just hear
these people talk, it's not that complicated, you know, Like
Charlie Monger says, Costco is the best company in the history.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Hey, wrong, Have you ever been to Costco lately? You
go in there, You're like, this thing is an ATM,
just one giant fucking ATM. When I first started going
because I didn't go to Costco much till I met Maria.
Because you live by yourself, you don't need to go
to Costco. Then you buy a house, you get someone
else in your life, start going to Costco and you're like,
this place is incredible. I wonder if Charlie loves this thing.
(41:09):
But it's no different than like the Tony Robbins thing.
It's like, well, you got an Apple, you got an iPhone,
you got an Apple computer, you listen to Apple music,
you got AirPods. You know, probably would have been smart
to invest in Apple over the last decade. Yeah, I
probably would have. What's Warren do? I didn't, But I
don't know. I just I enjoy gambling. I think it's
(41:31):
just something My dad was not a big gambler, and
maybe that's why I'm such a big gambler. And I'm
not even just talking about gambling like on Draftking, I'm
just staying in general in life, I've always been a
big risk a guy. I like doing that again, professionally, professionally.
That that's that gets me off where some people like
(41:52):
they like jumping out of a plane or going like
white water rafting, like that just doesn't really do it
for me. I mean, that's not you, so you just
it's just I don't know. I think the stock market
was made for me. It really was. Yeah, that's that's
probably it. Audios everyone, have a good weekend. Talk to
you soon. The volume
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