February 4, 2025 • 43 mins
Former NBA star Eddie House joins The Herd to talk to JMac about the huge Lakers-Mavericks trade and why he feels Dallas won the trade
Why the Mavericks most likely traded Luka Doncic to the Lakers
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome back our number two here on The Herd. Jason
McIntyre in for Colin Cowhard. I heard from a lot
of folks, Yes it's Colin Okay, Oh my gosh. He
sounded so strange, and then I went to, well, I'm
gonna do this guy.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Sorry, what's up my men's basketball men's league game last night?
And a couple of the opponents were like, dude, great
job filling in for Coward. That must have been so tough.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And I'm looking at him like, oh damn, these guys
are watching me or listening. I gotta show up. And
I had a pretty awesome game. It's over thirty five.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Leagues, so come on, anybody can buckets.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
But I did have seven threes, just like our next
guests coming up in a few minutes, Eddie House, who
I think had sixty one and in either a college
or NBA game, he could get buckets. But you guys know,
I love hoops. I was trying to show out for
Paul Pierce, who's on a show later today. He started
a pickup.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Game out here in LA.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And yes, I'm trying to crowbar my way into that
bad boy because I love hoops. And last night one
of the producers said, hey, what about a top ten
duo list in the NBA for tomorrow. I was like, oh, hell, yes,
I'd bang that bad boy out quickly. And then I
forgot a couple of people, so we had to readjust
the list.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
So here we go. We'll go Eddie House in like
five minutes. But first, the.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Top ten duos of the NBA today as of right now.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Listen, some people got left out, and don't be upset.
There's a lot of movement in the league. I know
one pairing people are gonna be ticked off about. But
let's get started. Number ten, top ten duos in the league.
I'm going with one Binyama and de Aaron Fox site unseen.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
We haven't even seen him once together.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Listen, if you have any NBA list right now, you
must have one Ben Yamba.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
He's a transformative player.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
He's a unicorn, he is a plastic man, whatever you
want to call him.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
He's awesome. He's shooting one legged threes. Did you guys
see that?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So now you pair him with a great point guard
like de Aaron Fox? How do you stop that pick
and roll?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Now it's weird.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm a big Deer and Fox guy, but there is
like a negative connotation around his name.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
You think he's awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
He's averaging what twenty four and twenty five points per
game four of the last five years, and then you
look up and you're like, oh, he hasn't won a
playoff series all NBA once. How good is deeron Fox?
I think we're about to find out because he's gonna
play with one Ban Yamba. So that's number ten, number nine,
Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley. I don't think that's gonna
roll off the tongue of everybody when you guys watch
(02:49):
this list.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But they are right now number one in the East
with a bullet.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And the only reason they're not higher is because I
had some pushback in my own head when I was like, so,
who's Donovan Mitchell's Is it Darius Garland, who's having a
fantastic season.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Is it Jared Allen. I went with Mobley because he.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Is on the come up man, This kid looks good.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
They finally unlocked.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Playing mobiley next to Alan, Mobley's doubt developed something of
a three point shot. The Cavs are a real threat.
I don't get the whiff that this is.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Like smoking mirrors. This is a hungry team. Donovan Mitchell's
a stud.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I think Mobley and Mitchell are are the ninth best
duo in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
All right, let's get to number eight. Another one sight
unseen Kyrie and Ad.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Now this is a tricky one because you know both
of them are getting up there in age. Both are great,
proven number twos. Right, Ad was the number two, second
best player to Lebron for many years. In LA they
won a title. Kyrie not a great one, as we
saw in Boston and wherever he was after a Brooklyn
he was like the guy who got that team is
(03:54):
not a one. Now you put him next to Luca, Ooh, Kyrie,
different player. He's under control, and now you wonder who's
the alpha in that locker room. I think that's the
big question for Dallas because again I'm not bashing Kyrie,
but history says he ain't an Alpha can Ad be
that guy. Is he extra motivated because the Lakers shipped him.
I think they're gonna be a great duo, will work together.
(04:16):
That pick and roll is gonna be fierce. So Kyrie
and Ad Number eight, Number seven, bit of a surprise
entrant here Ja Morant, John Morant and Jared Jackson.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Junior Memphis Grizzlies.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
They're up to number two in the West, and Jared
Jackson's having a ridiculously good year twenty three points a game.
He's been out of this world. We know Jahn Morant
now under control, cleaned up, is off the court stuff,
he's been tremendous.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I mean, you look at this pairing.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
John Morant one of ten players in the league averaging
twenty and seven this season.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I know people go, oh, what if they won? Listen,
they've had some playoff experience.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I would not be shocked if the Grizzlies were in
the conference finals. They look very very good. All right,
let's get to number six. I wanted to make a
case them higher. They're my guys. Brunson and Kat in
New York they it's only been half a season really
working together. But Kat seems in a great spot because
there's no pressure on him whatsoever. They've got a great
(05:14):
team where Josh Hart does all the dirty work.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Gosh, I love Josh Hart.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Michale Bridges really a three and D guy, and then
Kat just slides in and they're not asking too much
from him. It's like, play a little bit of defense.
You don't have to be a room protector. Just like
try on defense. Kat historically has not been a great defender,
and now you get a lot of open threes because
Jalen Brunson is the man.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I like this duo a lot. I wanted to make
them higher than six.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's just tough when you see these top five let's
get to number five top duos in the NBA. A
lot of pushback from one of the guys, SGA and Chet.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Now I know j Dubb. Some people are like, how
can you not put Jay Dubb on there? Guys, he's
a nice player.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
But Chet Holmgren is clearly the guy if they're going
to go to the finals. Here's SGA dropping somebody on
the bucks line last night. I mean, Sga, he's really
really good I know, I call him a free throw merchant,
and it pisses off all these thunder fans. Well, I
should say, not all these thunder fans, like the seventeen
thunder fans there are. They hate when I say that
Sga is really, really good. I still have some reservations
(06:16):
about Okac in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
We'll see, but.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I like chet Holmger more than a lot of people.
We're just seeing a little of him because of the injury.
I expect big things from chet and Okac this year.
All right, let's get to number four. This one you
guys are gonna hate because they have not worked well,
Jannis and Dame.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's been about a calendar year. It's not really working.
So why the hell are they four?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Because Giannis is unbelievable. I mean, it's almost like Jokich
is so good, Lucas so good.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
SGA's on the come up.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
We're forgetting. Giannis is automatic, folks. The numbers for Yannis,
this is the highest scoring duo in the NBA at
fifty six points per game.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
The chemistry doc rivers all that stuff's not there yet.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But man, if they keep Jannis and yes, if you
miss us earlier, last hour. I would not be shocked
if something, you know, Jannis becomes available somehow, But right
now is a deadly duo. I don't know about the
Bucks in the postseason, if that makes any sense. Jannis
and Dame number four. Now, I know we haven't hit
on a certain pairing yet. And you guys are where
(07:18):
are they?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Where are they? Here?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They are Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. Now, this is
a Boston team that's stacked. Porzingis right. You got Drew Holliday,
I mean, Derek White. Yeah, this team is just so
loaded in Boston. But for me, Tatum. You guys know,
I've got a big, big Chason Tatum man crush. I
would he would get my MVP voter for We're today.
(07:40):
I know everybody's say Sga or Yokich. I just think
Tatum has been unbelievable. He is an excellent basketball player.
Jalen Brown. I know it's a little Lebron Wade ish
and they duplicate each other, but I've got them as
the third best duo.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Number two.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
This one should be obvious. They've done a lot together
Jokich and Murray. It is a formidable duo, especially in
the playoffs. Jokic, the Dowe European is just still unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
And Jamal Murray. Jamal playoff Murray is a thing.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I know, He's still never been an NBA All Stars it,
I'm sorry, has it.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Played in an All Star game.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Murray is just an excellent player, can create his own
shot clutch, as Lakers fans very much know. Yeah, Jamal
Murray and Jokicic without a doubt, to me, the second
best duo in the league. And here we go number
one with a bullet Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, oh you know it. You cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The best player in the NBA for me, Luka Doncic
and Lebron the ageless wonder at forty. I don't think
people real he put up a triple double in MSG
against the formidable Knicks and he didn't have a d
I mean, look at the guy. He's flying through the lane.
Lebron is still the man. Wait till Luca comes back
from this cat strain. I've got Luca and Lebron number one.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Did Harden and Kawhi got bumped? Okay, because you know,
we don't know if Kawhi is going to show up
next week.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
They're playing great right now, but we don't.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Know what's up with Kawhi, and I know people are
gonna be upset about KD and Booker. I'll take it
up with the Suns fans later. But now we got
my main man, Eddie House joining the show. Eddie House,
one of the real good shooters from his era, basketball
analyst for Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Eddie, how we do with my man?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
How you feeling, man, I'm excellent. There's a lot to
talk about, Eddie. And you're Celtics sitting pretty. They're doing great.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Second in the East. They're fine. But what just happened
over the weekend with Luca and traded for Ad.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I need to know where you were when this went
down and your immediate reaction, my.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Media reaction was at first, I thought like I was thinking,
like Dallas won is Trey. I thought Dallas wanted trade,
you know, because they were getting somebody that they're making
a push right now. I don't think that the Lakers
roster is constructed to make a push for the conference finals.
I don't think that that's how that roster has constructed.
(10:08):
So many defensive deficiencies, so many holes on the defensive
side of the ball.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
In the one place that you could plug those holes was.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
On the front line with Ad blocking shots and being
there rebounding the basketball. Now they're going to have an
issue with that. You know, you're going to be leaning
on Jackson Hayes. But then you also got Austin Reeves
who doesn't really play great defense.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
You got Luca we all.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Know documented that he doesn't play great defense. And Lebron's
defense has been declining, even though he has put possessions together,
but for the.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Most part, it's been declining. So I looked at it
and I was like, well, Dallas won because they got.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Ad for three more years. And then on top of
the three years, you know, you got Kyrie over there.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
They got two big.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Men that are solid, lively, he's going to be coming back.
And then also on top of that, Ad is going
to be happening because he's going to be able to
play the four. So I looked at it in the
short term, and then when i'm I started rethinking about
it in the long term, I think the Lakers won
as well.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
You know, so in short short term, Dallas long term.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Lakers because they can replace Lebron James with Luka dances,
which they always have a superstar. They've never been a
team without a superstar. I don't know how long it's
been that they haven't had somebody.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Over there that was a star player. So I think
both of the teams won.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
It's just about what side of the fence that you
wan on on the winning side, because Luca could be
there for ten years if they don't win the championship?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Did they win that trade?
Speaker 7 (11:33):
If Ad and Kyrie is able to go to the
conference finals, I would think that you would look at
it and say, oh, okay, they kind of won that trade.
And if they're able to attract some free agents over
there and try to.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Do something again next year. So okay, that's where I'm
at with it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Don't get me too worked up any First of.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
All, over under one and a half titles for Luca
with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
I'm going under this.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Oh my gosh, Celtics fan says, under okay, fair enough.
Let me just quickly ask you on Dallas, what's your
concern level with Kyrie Irving now going back into the
role as the number one guy? We saw him in Boston,
did not want to work with the young kids we
saw him in Brooklyn. Bringing kd there did not work
(12:19):
at all, total disaster.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Now he cleaned up.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
His act a little bit in Dallas, but that was
as a clear number two to Luca. Now you look
around the Dallas huddle, who's the leader on that team?
And if it's Kyrie. Listen, we've seen him as the
number one. It has not gone well historically.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Can I ask you a question, please? Right now? Where
are you at? Are you? Are you the number one?
You in the driver seat right now, right because Colin's
not there right?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
But then any other time you're the number two, right,
And it's all about growth, right. And what we can
say is that we have seen Kyrie grow over these years,
and we could look back and say, man, damn, you
know he messed up the time in Boston. Boston's fans
really don't like it because of what he did over there.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Brooklyn they feel the same way.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
But in Dallas, I feel like the Dallas fans love
what he's doing. You know, he went to the NBA
Finals with him. I don't think the Cleveland fans hate Kyrie.
I think it's just a little a couple of spots
that he had a couple of blips in the map
to where on the radar, excuse me, where you look
at it. He's like, Okay, yeah he could have been
he could have had on it better. But he was young,
and I think he's mature, you know what I'm saying.
(13:28):
And when you have kids, you know this, Ja Mack.
When you have kids, you have you mature in a
different way. You go from just thinking about yourself to
also thinking about like, Okay, I got to make sure
I'm good. So they're good. That's the main thing. And
I think that he's learned from that, so I'm not worried.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I'm not worried. I think they have a good run.
I think their.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Rosters right now constructed, is better than the roster in
LA to make a run into playoffs.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I don't totally disagree with that. Here's my thing.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
The maps are actually built Eddie to really play against Okay,
see well and against Denver. This Max Christy. He's not
getting talked about, but since he went into the starting
lineup the Lakers are fifteen and eight. I'm not saying
he's a lockdown defender, but he's long, he's twitchy. I
think he could capably defend SGA, and you've got the bigs.
(14:18):
We know Okac's weakness are the bigs. If Dallas is healthy, I.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Think you're probably right. In the postseason, they can make
a run.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
That's all I'm trying to say. So at the end,
what are we playing for a We're planning to get
to the playoffs. And I have a little conspiracy theory.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Okay, here we go. Just think about this, all right.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
So Ad waved his eight percent a trade kicker, you
know about six million dollars?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Okay, cool? Him and Rich Paul, they're all clutch sports.
Lebron clutch sports.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Maybe they know something that may and maybe they tipped
to the organization to where, hey, we got to we
got to start trying to figure out who gonna replace Lebron.
Lebron might not be there. Here's my conspiracy theory. Lebron
possibly ends up in Dallas next year.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So that's kind of spicy because he is still tight
with Kyrie. They've talked about being partners.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Oh you got me there.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Once the trade happened, I started thinking like, oh, this
could be a move for him to slide over there
he plays. Think about they still have Klayton Thompson over there.
They'll have Kyrie over there, they'll have Anthony Davis. Lebron
doesn't need the money, so he could play on a
a he's not gonna get short changed now, but he's
not gonna get a max deal or anything like that.
And they had the money to give a max deal
(15:44):
to Luka Dacic. Now they look like, oh, we could
give Lebron. Oh okay, so now they can put something
together and then you could piece the ancillary players around that,
that that core of players right there, and they make
a Ron for one or two years, because that's probably
all that's gonna be really left for that type of run.
But that was just something that that I came up
(16:05):
with in my head. I was like, man, that's kind
of so would Bronni Gonid he didn't get that trade kicker?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, does he bring his song much?
Speaker 6 (16:13):
To me? Dallas, I don't know about all that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, I don't know if Lebron's gone. I don't
know if Bronni is still on the roster. Crazy stat
from our team here, Dalton connect is twenty four, Lucas
twenty five, Like that to me is kind of mind blowing.
Stuff like that. That's how young Luca Is and totally dominant.
I am curious with you. You said the Lakers always
magically end up with superstars, and you're not wrong. Magic Jabbar, Shaq,
(16:40):
Kobe on down the list. Are you one of these
guys who thinks maybe the league likes that? You know, wait,
we got Los Angeles. We need a good team. The
team in New York is finally good. Chicago's been down
for two decades. We meet like Unlike the NFL, the
NBA needs the big markets to have good teams. Are
you alluding to something there?
Speaker 7 (17:02):
No, I'm not saying that because think about it. Okay, see,
he's not a big market. They got a damn good
team and they got a superstar over there as shake Yildes,
Alexander Kay Cunningham. Detroit is not a huge market, but
they got a solid team over there and that damn
good player in Ka Cunningham.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
But it's the Lakers. It's just the Lakers. Uh. It's
the way that the Lakers operate business.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
They constantly have I mean, come on, you're you're in Hollywood,
you know you're in LA You're Intenseltown.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
You have to have stars because that brings stars to
the game that brings people to the game.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Think about this and you say, LA, well, well, damn
ain't ain't the Clippers. An't the Clippers in Las It
ain't the same. It ain't the same. You have to
have stars when you're with the Lakers. It's just the
way that that it's been since I can remember.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So there's some stories starting to emerge that in the
Dallas locker room that Luca, despite being like, the front
office didn't.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Like him, maybe because of his work habits, his diet habits.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'm just curious, did you ever in your time in
Boston or anywhere else, Miami, wherever, did you experience like
just seeing front office being unhappy with guys like out
of shape or not being in condition that were stars
and the front office like being really ticked off at them.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
No, because most of the guys I played with, pretty
much all of the star superstar players I played with,
held everybody else accountable by what.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
They did, how they came in. And it never happened
in Miami.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Because you got weight and body fat check every week,
you know where there was Monday Tuesday went every single
week you got weight and body fat. You had to
be a certain weight in body fat. If you weren't,
then you were doing extra running, you were doing extra
things that you had to do to make sure you
got to that weight and that body percent body fat percentage.
But as far as like that's the thing I think
(18:54):
if you allow your superstar player, and I think the
upper management I don't think that this. I think it's
the the owners. The new ownership is like, hey, we're
not gonna allow this to happen. Because the thing about
it is you can't have your star player come in
out of shape, everybody else in shape, and you you
(19:14):
don't hold him accountable.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
That kind of that fractures a locker room.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
But when you have a superstar player like a Kevin
Garnett that comes in and when you walk into the
into the gym right practice is in about an hour
you come, you get there an hour before he's already
on the court in the full fledh sweat.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
It makes you start kicking in like, oh, I got
to get here a little earlier so I can put
in this work.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Well, if Luca's coming in and I don't know this
for a fact, I don't know at all, but if
he's coming in out of shape, I know that he's
been coming in out of shape, that's documented. But if
he comes in with twelve minutes left before practice is starting,
then I mean that you know that sets a different
type of standard, like what kind of leadership are you having,
what kind of leadership are you out there of presenting?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
And how can you be the leader?
Speaker 7 (19:58):
We know that you're really good on the court, but
it's other things that you have to do to set
precedent for the rest of the team.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, all right, let me last one on the Lakers.
Do you think they're done making moves because there's a
lot of speculation, Hey, we don't need Austin Reeves. We've
got enough ball handlers who don't really defend.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
We need a center.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
We got to go get a room protector and Nick Claxton,
a Miles Turner, and they package the pick they have
left Reeves, Ruy, whatever the package is, to go get somebody.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You think they get a room protector.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
I don't think they're done, Dylan.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
They definitely have to go get somebody that's rem protect
them because they have so many.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Holes on the defense.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
You know, Luca's not gonna play great defense, Austin Reeve's
not gonna play great defense. And also, excuse me, Lebron
is up and down with his defense, possession of possession
sometime you've quartered a quarter a half to half.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
But what I believe is that they're.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Going to go out there try to find somebody, and
like you said, if it's a Knicks Claxton or Miles
turn I really think Miles Turner would be a good
fit for him because he could kind of stretch the
floor a little bit, and he could protect the rim,
he remounts the basketball. He's a younger guy. Nick Claxon
is a younger guy too. But if they do that,
does that move the needle? And to me, that doesn't
(21:15):
move the needle, that doesn't make them all of a
sudden be like, oh yeah, they're contenders.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
They're gonna have to make another big time deal for
a big time player.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
No disrespect to those guys that I'm talking about, because
they all can hoop, you know what I mean. I'm
not disrespecting nobody in the league like that, But they're
gonna have to get somebody that could do what Anthony
Davis does. And that's twenty seven and twelve, and maybe
you get a couple guys that are able to put
that together to make it work.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
But what I'm looking at right now, they rostered that,
ain't it.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, let me ask jim you've spent time in Miami.
What the hell is Jimmy Butler's problem? Like he was
such a good soldier, got them the two finals. It's
all falling a part. He's getting suspended. He doesn't want
to go to Golden State. He only wants to go
to Phoenix. I love Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I don't know what's happening. Man, how do you think
this ends.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
It's not gonna end good for him, as that's how
I'm feeling.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Knowing Pat Robby and knowing the business of basketball when
you start and you know Pat, pat Robby's the godfather,
so people are gonna lend they hear more to him
than they.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Will listen to Jimmy Butler's agent. Okay, or what's going on?
And the one thing I can say is that this
has kind of been a pattern with Jimmy.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
You know, in every place that he's been to he
has usually left disgrundled and upset.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
He got upset at something.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
But I think the main thing is that when Pat
said he didn't want to trade him. It wasn't the
fact that he was trying to tell him, you can't
go nowhere. I think it was like, no, we want
you here. We're not gonna trade you. Because we want
you here.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
We signed you. You got another deal. I want to say.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
It's fifty one or fifty three million dollars for next
year that he could opt into. Okay, we didn't give
you extension because we don't see it, and okay, and
that's fine, but they gave you a great deal. You're
about to play for fifty million dollars. And I'm not
counting nobody pockets looking at nobody pockets or counting nobody money.
But what I'm saying is that you have an obligation
when you are under contract. And I don't know if
(23:12):
you watched any of the Heat games. When he came
back from suspension, he took a one legged three point
shot from the corner.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
That he never takes ever. You never seen Jimmy Butler
ever take a shot like that.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Then he threw the ball on the entry pass straight
out of bounds, and then he did had lackluster effort
getting back on defense. So now it's showing me you
don't really want to be here, and you're a detriment
to what we're trying to do, the culture that we have.
So I don't think that he helped himself, you know,
in the way that he handled this. Can Jimmy Butler
(23:46):
still help a team?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Yes he can.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So we'll wrap up with this Eddie. So Luca got traded,
and Anthony Edwards was like, man, I'm scared. Nobody's safe.
If Luca can get traded, maybe I'm next. Obviously, we
don't think Anthony Edwards is getting traded, but I floated
two names. Let's start with Kevin Durant in Phoenix. The
Sons are like tenth in the West. Jimmy Butler wants
(24:09):
to be there. You can't trade Bill. Maybe Kevin Durant
had shipped and the other one. And I've been on
this for a while. You know, I'm a Steph Curry guy.
They're eleventh in the West. They can't pull off a
trade for anybody. At some point, do the Warriors say
we got to reboot and trade Steph Curry so we
can at least maximize his final years. I mean, Kaddy,
you saw at the Olympics he was dominant and now
(24:30):
he's on the eleventh place team in the West.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
The league can't have that.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Yeah, you can't trade Steph Curry Man. That's a guy
is I feel that he should. He's one of those
guys should be a lifer with that team from where
he came from to where they were at when he
got there, to where he put him and where they're
at right now. And his and his status as a
basketball player and not only a basketball player, but a
(24:56):
pillar of.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
The community as well.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Does a lot of work out there in the BA area,
whether it be in Oakland, whether it be in San
Francisco or anywhere else in the Bay Area.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
He does a lot of work of philanthropists work. And
to me, you you can't trade him and uh for
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
No.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
And if you try to get Jimmy Butler, now think
about what you.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Have on your team. You got two guys. You have a.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Draymond Green that you know could be unstable with times
and does great for the team.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He's perfect for what they try to do.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
Then you got Jimmy Butler, who could be you know,
a wild card at times as well.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
So I don't think Steph plays well with that.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
I think Steph just loves to go out and play
hoop and when it's all the other distractions like that's
going on right now, I think that that's where it
kind of does bothering. And I know Steph is getting
a little older, but now he has to be a
Golden State Warrior for life unless he doesn't want to be.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, that's the Is there a way to politically pull
that off? I do, We'll see, all right, Eddie House,
great stuff, keep up the good work, and you know,
hope everything's well with your your kids who are awesome
basketball players.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Appreciate it, man, Thank you all right.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Coming up next here on the Herd, how big of
an impact is the Lucas signing for La Wait until
you hear what Rob Polinka said just now at the
Luca presser.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's next, one more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app.
Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Back here on the Herd.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Good stuff from Eddie House, former NBA gunner, Celtics Heat.
And you know, we know that the Luca and Rob
Polinka of the Lakers met with the media this morning,
and Rob Polinka showed up dressed up like he's in Hollywood,
(26:46):
which he is technically.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
And if you listen closely, you.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Remember when I mentioned Otani earlier in the show that
like parallels between Otani and Asia and the Dodgers and money,
and now you've got Luke and Europe and the Lakers
and money. Here's uh Luca. Let's start with Rob Polinka.
Rob Polinka on the impact of Luca coming to La.
(27:10):
Listen closely to the verbiage.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Luka Doncic.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Joining forces with the Los Angeles Lakers is a seismic
event in NBA history. And the reason I say that
is because we have a twenty five year old global
superstar that's going to get on the stage of the
(27:38):
most popular and influential basketball.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Brand on the globe.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
And I think when those two powerful forces come together,
it brings basketball joy to the world.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Globe, World International, all the right buzzwords.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I know, it's popular.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Hey, let's let's bash. The NBA ratings are down. You know,
I don't know, you guys, remember Colin did a rant
on the ratings and then you know, two weeks later,
Adam Silver's on the show like I just think it's
such an overblown story about down NBA ratings, Like, who
cares they signed a billion dollar deal?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Why do you Joe Bob on Twitter, why do you
care about NBA ratings? You should? Players don't.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
They got their money, The league got their billions. Maybe
you know, TNT and ESPN should care, but do they?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
But the point is, why do you care about the ratings?
And the big thing that the NBA has going for
it is the global audience.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Everywhere in the world.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
People love basketball. Anybody can play basketball around the world. Like,
you know, you go on a trip to uh I
don't know, let's pick us Tokyo. You know, you walk
by a playground and there's people play pick up basketball.
If you've got your sneakers, you just light them up. Hey,
who's gotten next? Let me get in pick up basketball?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Everywhere. It's just a thing. People love basketball. It's easy.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You just need sneakers and a ball and hoops are everywhere. Like,
the popularity among basketball globally is massive. And I know
the influx of you know, European players to the league
has kind of hurt the domestic product as the domestic
players and we've been over this, you know, I don't
know a lot I hosted I think it was last
summer and we had Chris Bouchard on them. We kind
(29:30):
of went back and forth about this, and it's like, listen,
AAU basketball as lucrative, lucrative as it has been capitalism America,
it has hurt the product. You get these guys coming
in down, they can't shoot, they can't play in a system.
They pout when they're not getting playing time, they pout
if they're losing.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
They want to play with their friends.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Ultimately, AAU is kind of mucked some things up, but
a lot of people are profiting off of AAU basketball,
which is fine, that's capitalism. But the league has to
figure out a way to make these domestic stars matter, because.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Let's be real.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Zia Williamson, I mean, it's been a bust. You know,
he's eating his way out of the league. He's hurt
all the time, John Morant can't stay straight off the court,
Guys doing stupid things, getting in trouble like these were
supposed to be the next domestic stars. As Curry and
Kad and Lebron ag into retirement, and you look around
(30:22):
and it's like maybe it's Anthony Edwards. Maybe he's got
next and the Wolves have kind of pulled back.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
And just a weird small thing.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
But I love Anthony Edwards, but every interview he gives
after games now he's saying curse words, and I know
who cares. It's just a bad word. But like the
guys who are buying stuff for these kids? Are these kids.
They're buying the sneakers, they're buying the merch, they're the
ones wearing the jerseys, they're on TikTok following all these players,
and you just curse it. Like the domestic us guy's
(30:50):
got to clean it up. Sure, you've got a one
off like a Devin Booker who not only is like
a big deal on social media, but then he's dating
Kendall Jenner and he's a good player, so like, but
he's kind of quiet, you know, he's not one of
these out there Lebron larger than life figures. So you've
got all these European guys coming in. It's Luca, it's Jannis,
(31:11):
it's Jokich, and they're great players.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
They don't want to be the face of the league.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
So domestically, we've got to clean up our act and
listening to what Polinka was saying is he's like, guys,
we've got American fans. That's fine, We're not we don't
care if we have a smaller audience than college football
or any We don't care about that.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
We're building globally. We're looking big picture.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And Luca, you know, to his point, don't I don't
know that he cares where he is, but here he
is on his excitement of becoming a Laker.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I'm just excited, you know, to be here to start
this new journey, journey and obviously at some point I
knew this was going to happen, but I would say
I always take the high road. You know, I had
my amazing moments in Dallas with all my teammates, coaches,
and the most importantly defense, you know that always supported me,
(32:02):
and it was it was an amazing Jodney.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I know we talked about it last hour, but I
love that. Listen, Luca could have unloaded on those guys.
You guys know how hard it is to bite your
tongue when you get.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Screwed.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I mean, it's so it would have been so easy
for Luca to unload on Nico Harrison and Michael Finley
just to totally trash them up and down for a
twenty five year old. Do you guys know how dumb
we are at twenty five years old, Like we just
say and do dumb things. We're guys, we're men, so
we do. And Luca just he was a total consummate
pro right there. He could have unloaded on those guys
(32:41):
and I would have laughed, we all would have loved it.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
But he was subtle.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
He didn't come out and totally trash him, but he
kept it real. Hey, I knew this was gonna happen.
It's very clear from Luca's comments. He was cool with
the players, he loved the fans, he loved Jason Kidd
and the coaches. The front office kind of sort of
did him dirty. And and this isn't just like shipping
him out. Luckily they didn't send him to Siberia.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
He has to go to La you know, I know,
the taxes out here or brutal. Oh no, the taxes
in La Versus Texas. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
You know, guys, the Supermax would have paid him an
extra one hundred and fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Even if you want to remove the taxes.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Okay, he just the map just cost him what eighty
million dollars, seventy million dollars, whatever the number is, Like,
he's got a right to.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Be ticked off.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And I hope, and we talked about this was Roychel
Nichols yesterday. I hope that, Lucas says man, Atlanta Hawks,
they could have had me in the draft.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
They traded me.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
The Sacramento Kings chose Marvin Bagley over me, and then
Dallas where I was drafted.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I thought I spent my whole career there. They traded me.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's three teams bailing on me or saying no to me.
And I haven't even turned twenty six years old. Yet
the numbers say I'm one of the great players already
in NBA history.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
And again go look it up.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
His numbers at this age, dwarf what Michael Jordan has
done all around rebounds, this is everything. Okay, they totally
dominant what Luca's done early in his career, and three
teams have passed on him. If this isn't motivation, along
with playing next to Lebron James, who.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Is like mister fitness.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And I think I've told you guys this I go
to a gym out here in LA and you know,
I see this big six or five guy playing basketball.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I'm like, oh, geez, who the hell is that guy?
He looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
They're like, oh, he's Lebron's body double. He does all
the He's at every commercial and all these movies. Lebron
is has a body double and that's him. So of
course I've come friendly with this guy and he starts
telling me about Lebron. He's like, this is he's the
nicest guy ever. And oh, by the way, yeah, Lebron. Uh,
he doesn't put any he doesn't need any food that
(34:53):
unless it's cleared by his nutrition. He's got like a
team around him. He get guy gets massages all the time.
He keeps his body and tiptop shape. He's not out
there eating a raka ribs. You know, Lebron has his
act together. And now Luca's next to him. Folks, I
know people like, oh, under one and a half titles.
I'm just saying, Luca and the Lakers. Sky's the limit,
(35:14):
all right? Coming up next, two huge NFL stars are
in the trade market. I'll tell you why and where
I think they'll land next.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Here on The Herd.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together We're
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
You could catch us.
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to four
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Going on in the world.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
We have a lot of fun talking about the stories
behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture,
stories that well other shows don't seem to have the
time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends
for the last twenty years and still work together. I
mean that says something, right, So check us out. We
like to get you involved too, take your phone calls,
chop it up. As they say, I'd say, the most
interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive
(36:12):
show on planetar. Be sure to check out Cavino and
Rich live on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio App
from five to seven pm Eastern two to four Pacific
and if you miss any of the live show, just
search Covin on Rich wherever you get your podcasts, and
of course on social media that's Covino and Rich.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
This week, we are headed to New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
The Herd and the entire FS one lineup will be
live from Bourbon Street on Thursday and Friday as we
get ready for Super Bowl fifty nine. Friday, we have
a Super Bowl special ad for Eastern on Fox. We'll
be joined by special guests all week counting down to
the big game. Very exciting. Colin promises he will be back.
He did text me during the show. There were some
(36:52):
expletives now that we're not He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
He's not like that. I am He's not, by the way.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I know some of you are disappointed and know Nick
Right today he used comes on on Tuesday, and I
know you were fired up. Oh shucks, Nick, combative Nick
Right against argumentative Jason McIntyre. That was like a showdown
for the ages. And Nick had a commitment so he
couldn't make it.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
But I don't know. I'm sure we'll chop it up.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
He is mister Chiefs and I'm mister public enemy number
one with Chiefs fans, which I don't mind.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I embraced that role. I don't mind being that guy,
all right.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
So we had on Albert Breer earlier talking about obviously
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
He's down in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
By the way, if you were watching on FS one,
there was all these people randomly walking by Breer during
the interview. I find that stuff funny because you can
see all of them kind of side eye to see
what's going on.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I just I don't know, that's just me. I find
that stuff funny.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Anyway, So Breer was talking about the super Bowl and
we got into this Miles Garrett trade request.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Garrett obviously wants out of Cleveland, because who doesn't. Here's
what he said. Listen closely to what he said about Detroit.
Speaker 10 (37:57):
So they have Aiden Hutchinson coming back off the and
they're gonna pay Aiden Hutchinson. What better way to kind
of make sure that he has some runway and coming
back off the injury and the defense has a real
strength to build off of. Then you get Aiden Hutchinson
back from injury, you'll have Allayne mcnehill coming back from injury.
And then oh, by the way, you've got Miles Garrett
(38:19):
out there.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I know Lions fans are fired up.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
It was a disappointing end of the season for the Lions,
and now you lose both coordinators. It's funny not to
reveal too much, but you know, I think I've mentioned this.
Jared Goff lives near me out here in LA and
you know, he's got the supermodel wife or maybe sports
illustrated swimsuit wife, whatever she is, and I see.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Them sometimes around town.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I've never talked to them, obviously, but Jared Goff is
building this like massive house right on the same block
as some of my friends. And somebody was in Target,
which is also near me, and Jared Goff walks into Target.
So Budd, Hey, text me, Hey, Jared Goff just walked
into Target, and I was like, ask him about ask
him about the Lions off seas and what the hell's
(39:06):
going on there. I will not reveal what was said,
but I'm just saying right now, there's pressure on the
Lions to do something. Okay, they don't want to step back.
They were, you know, a pretty morbid franchise for a
long time. Woke up with Dan Campbell Golfing Company, and
now it's like, can we get to this.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Can we get over the hump?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
And I feel like there's a pullback coming speaking of
the Lions and the NFC, I don't know why this
Cooper Cup story is not getting more attention.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
And I know some people say, oh, he's just a receiver,
he's kind of washed.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I think we I think this deserves a little more detail.
So Cooper Cup is very close with Matt Stafford. They
are buddies. Do you guys remember within the last two
years Matt Stafford's wife went on a podcast and was like,
Matt Stafford.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Hates the locker room. He can't relate to any of
these guys. Everybody's on the phone. He's an old man,
he's got kids. His guy is Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Stafford and Cupper close the way that the Rams are
moving off Cup to me, I don't exactly know what
it is, but it's something.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
It feels strange. And then in the morning meeting, you know,
we got a sharp group, a lot of smart people.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
They pointed out, well, Jay, remember this is a kind
of a cutthroat RAMS franchise. They moved off of Jared Goff,
they moved off of Gurley, they moved off of Ramsey,
pretty easily.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I was like, they can't move off Cup. Look at the.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Numbers on the screen, and then I call up j
Cooper Cup stats and this is the weird part.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
This is crazy. I did not realize this. Cooper Cup's
been in the league, what seven years? He has two
one thousand yard seasons and one of them was extraordinary.
He won the Triple Crown one.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Hundred and forty five catches, nineteen hundred yards, sixteen touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
That was the year they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And I look around, I'm like, oh, that's I didn't
realize Cooper Cup. Really they had two amazing years. I
start thinking, hmm, what is happening with the Rams? Breer
alluded to it. They talked about restructuring Stafford last year.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
It was ugly, it was messy. They ended up keeping him.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I'm just saying I think it bears watching what's going
on with the Rams. Obviously Cowherd knows the franchise. Well,
maybe he'll have something on it later in the week,
but it just feels like there is something afoot.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I don't know what. I can't put my finger on it.
But a fun game I like to play.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
It's easier with the NBA because their reporters say stuff
and don't care. In the NFL, everybody's really buttoned up
and doesn't want to irk the owners.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Something. I don't know what it is, but something's going
on with the Rams.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
And Breer actually said, if I'm the Steelers, I make
a call to the Rams about Matt Stafford. And I
was like, oh, now that is interesting, and you know,
we love interesting on the show. Again, I like Cooper
cuple lot. I do think he's gonna thrive somewhere. Breer
alluded to Washington, which makes a hell of a lot
of sense. And I know the parallel of white guy,
(42:06):
white guy with Adam Thielen is a little goofy, but
let's be real. Like Deeling possession receiver, Cup possession receiver.
Both guys run awesome routes. They're not gonna wow you
with speed or down the field, but they can play.
And I think Cup is gonna have revenge on his mind.
Just the way the Rams are moving off of him.
It just doesn't seem like a nice move. Like Cooper,
(42:28):
Cup's a great guy in the community on social media,
he looks like a family guy. He's not getting in
trouble he's Stafford's boy. It feels weird, like a weird
time for the Rams. I would not be surprised if
the Crosstown Chargers made a play for Cooper Cup. Hey man,
you love La, you can stay out here.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
We'll take you. We could use receivers. And again, Cup's
out a number one anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
He's closer to a two. Very interesting stuff going on
with the Rams. Obviously, Miles Garrett is a big deal.
That's a bigger story because he's a high impact player.
But it feels to me like the Cooper Cup situation
bears watching with the Rams, all right, coming up next
the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Have they already become the Patriots? That's next year on
the Herd.
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome back our number two here on The Herd. Jason
McIntyre in for Colin Cowhard. I heard from a lot
of folks, Yes it's Colin Okay, Oh my gosh. He
sounded so strange, and then I went to, well, I'm
gonna do this guy.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Sorry, what's up my men's basketball men's league game last night?
And a couple of the opponents were like, dude, great
job filling in for Coward. That must have been so tough.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And I'm looking at him like, oh damn, these guys
are watching me or listening. I gotta show up. And
I had a pretty awesome game. It's over thirty five.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Leagues, so come on, anybody can buckets.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
But I did have seven threes, just like our next
guests coming up in a few minutes, Eddie House, who
I think had sixty one and in either a college
or NBA game, he could get buckets. But you guys know,
I love hoops. I was trying to show out for
Paul Pierce, who's on a show later today. He started
a pickup.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Game out here in LA.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And yes, I'm trying to crowbar my way into that
bad boy because I love hoops. And last night one
of the producers said, hey, what about a top ten
duo list in the NBA for tomorrow. I was like, oh, hell, yes,
I'd bang that bad boy out quickly. And then I
forgot a couple of people, so we had to readjust
the list.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
So here we go. We'll go Eddie House in like
five minutes. But first, the.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Top ten duos of the NBA today as of right now.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Listen, some people got left out, and don't be upset.
There's a lot of movement in the league. I know
one pairing people are gonna be ticked off about. But
let's get started. Number ten, top ten duos in the league.
I'm going with one Binyama and de Aaron Fox site unseen.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
We haven't even seen him once together.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Listen, if you have any NBA list right now, you
must have one Ben Yamba.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
He's a transformative player.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
He's a unicorn, he is a plastic man, whatever you
want to call him.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
He's awesome. He's shooting one legged threes. Did you guys
see that?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So now you pair him with a great point guard
like de Aaron Fox? How do you stop that pick
and roll?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Now it's weird.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm a big Deer and Fox guy, but there is
like a negative connotation around his name.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
You think he's awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
He's averaging what twenty four and twenty five points per
game four of the last five years, and then you
look up and you're like, oh, he hasn't won a
playoff series all NBA once. How good is deeron Fox?
I think we're about to find out because he's gonna
play with one Ban Yamba. So that's number ten, number nine,
Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley. I don't think that's gonna
roll off the tongue of everybody when you guys watch
(02:49):
this list.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But they are right now number one in the East
with a bullet.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And the only reason they're not higher is because I
had some pushback in my own head when I was like, so,
who's Donovan Mitchell's Is it Darius Garland, who's having a
fantastic season.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Is it Jared Allen. I went with Mobley because he.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Is on the come up man, This kid looks good.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
They finally unlocked.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Playing mobiley next to Alan, Mobley's doubt developed something of
a three point shot. The Cavs are a real threat.
I don't get the whiff that this is.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Like smoking mirrors. This is a hungry team. Donovan Mitchell's
a stud.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I think Mobley and Mitchell are are the ninth best
duo in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
All right, let's get to number eight. Another one sight
unseen Kyrie and Ad.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Now this is a tricky one because you know both
of them are getting up there in age. Both are great,
proven number twos. Right, Ad was the number two, second
best player to Lebron for many years. In LA they
won a title. Kyrie not a great one, as we
saw in Boston and wherever he was after a Brooklyn
he was like the guy who got that team is
(03:54):
not a one. Now you put him next to Luca, Ooh, Kyrie,
different player. He's under control, and now you wonder who's
the alpha in that locker room. I think that's the
big question for Dallas because again I'm not bashing Kyrie,
but history says he ain't an Alpha can Ad be
that guy. Is he extra motivated because the Lakers shipped him.
I think they're gonna be a great duo, will work together.
(04:16):
That pick and roll is gonna be fierce. So Kyrie
and Ad Number eight, Number seven, bit of a surprise
entrant here Ja Morant, John Morant and Jared Jackson.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Junior Memphis Grizzlies.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
They're up to number two in the West, and Jared
Jackson's having a ridiculously good year twenty three points a game.
He's been out of this world. We know Jahn Morant
now under control, cleaned up, is off the court stuff,
he's been tremendous.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I mean, you look at this pairing.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
John Morant one of ten players in the league averaging
twenty and seven this season.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I know people go, oh, what if they won? Listen,
they've had some playoff experience.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I would not be shocked if the Grizzlies were in
the conference finals. They look very very good. All right,
let's get to number six. I wanted to make a
case them higher. They're my guys. Brunson and Kat in
New York they it's only been half a season really
working together. But Kat seems in a great spot because
there's no pressure on him whatsoever. They've got a great
(05:14):
team where Josh Hart does all the dirty work.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Gosh, I love Josh Hart.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Michale Bridges really a three and D guy, and then
Kat just slides in and they're not asking too much
from him. It's like, play a little bit of defense.
You don't have to be a room protector. Just like
try on defense. Kat historically has not been a great defender,
and now you get a lot of open threes because
Jalen Brunson is the man.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I like this duo a lot. I wanted to make
them higher than six.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's just tough when you see these top five let's
get to number five top duos in the NBA. A
lot of pushback from one of the guys, SGA and Chet.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Now I know j Dubb. Some people are like, how
can you not put Jay Dubb on there? Guys, he's
a nice player.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
But Chet Holmgren is clearly the guy if they're going
to go to the finals. Here's SGA dropping somebody on
the bucks line last night. I mean, Sga, he's really
really good I know, I call him a free throw merchant,
and it pisses off all these thunder fans. Well, I
should say, not all these thunder fans, like the seventeen
thunder fans there are. They hate when I say that
Sga is really, really good. I still have some reservations
(06:16):
about Okac in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
We'll see, but.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I like chet Holmger more than a lot of people.
We're just seeing a little of him because of the injury.
I expect big things from chet and Okac this year.
All right, let's get to number four. This one you
guys are gonna hate because they have not worked well,
Jannis and Dame.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's been about a calendar year. It's not really working.
So why the hell are they four?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Because Giannis is unbelievable. I mean, it's almost like Jokich
is so good, Lucas so good.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
SGA's on the come up.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
We're forgetting. Giannis is automatic, folks. The numbers for Yannis,
this is the highest scoring duo in the NBA at
fifty six points per game.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
The chemistry doc rivers all that stuff's not there yet.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But man, if they keep Jannis and yes, if you
miss us earlier, last hour. I would not be shocked
if something, you know, Jannis becomes available somehow, But right
now is a deadly duo. I don't know about the
Bucks in the postseason, if that makes any sense. Jannis
and Dame number four. Now, I know we haven't hit
on a certain pairing yet. And you guys are where
(07:18):
are they?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Where are they? Here?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They are Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. Now, this is
a Boston team that's stacked. Porzingis right. You got Drew Holliday,
I mean, Derek White. Yeah, this team is just so
loaded in Boston. But for me, Tatum. You guys know,
I've got a big, big Chason Tatum man crush. I
would he would get my MVP voter for We're today.
(07:40):
I know everybody's say Sga or Yokich. I just think
Tatum has been unbelievable. He is an excellent basketball player.
Jalen Brown. I know it's a little Lebron Wade ish
and they duplicate each other, but I've got them as
the third best duo.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Number two.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
This one should be obvious. They've done a lot together
Jokich and Murray. It is a formidable duo, especially in
the playoffs. Jokic, the Dowe European is just still unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
And Jamal Murray. Jamal playoff Murray is a thing.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I know, He's still never been an NBA All Stars it,
I'm sorry, has it.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Played in an All Star game.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Murray is just an excellent player, can create his own
shot clutch, as Lakers fans very much know. Yeah, Jamal
Murray and Jokicic without a doubt, to me, the second
best duo in the league. And here we go number
one with a bullet Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, oh you know it. You cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The best player in the NBA for me, Luka Doncic
and Lebron the ageless wonder at forty. I don't think
people real he put up a triple double in MSG
against the formidable Knicks and he didn't have a d
I mean, look at the guy. He's flying through the lane.
Lebron is still the man. Wait till Luca comes back
from this cat strain. I've got Luca and Lebron number one.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Did Harden and Kawhi got bumped? Okay, because you know,
we don't know if Kawhi is going to show up
next week.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
They're playing great right now, but we don't.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Know what's up with Kawhi, and I know people are
gonna be upset about KD and Booker. I'll take it
up with the Suns fans later. But now we got
my main man, Eddie House joining the show. Eddie House,
one of the real good shooters from his era, basketball
analyst for Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Eddie, how we do with my man?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
How you feeling, man, I'm excellent. There's a lot to
talk about, Eddie. And you're Celtics sitting pretty. They're doing great.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Second in the East. They're fine. But what just happened
over the weekend with Luca and traded for Ad.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I need to know where you were when this went
down and your immediate reaction, my.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Media reaction was at first, I thought like I was thinking,
like Dallas won is Trey. I thought Dallas wanted trade,
you know, because they were getting somebody that they're making
a push right now. I don't think that the Lakers
roster is constructed to make a push for the conference finals.
I don't think that that's how that roster has constructed.
(10:08):
So many defensive deficiencies, so many holes on the defensive
side of the ball.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
In the one place that you could plug those holes was.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
On the front line with Ad blocking shots and being
there rebounding the basketball. Now they're going to have an
issue with that. You know, you're going to be leaning
on Jackson Hayes. But then you also got Austin Reeves
who doesn't really play great defense.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
You got Luca we all.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Know documented that he doesn't play great defense. And Lebron's
defense has been declining, even though he has put possessions together,
but for the.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Most part, it's been declining. So I looked at it
and I was like, well, Dallas won because they got.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Ad for three more years. And then on top of
the three years, you know, you got Kyrie over there.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
They got two big.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Men that are solid, lively, he's going to be coming back.
And then also on top of that, Ad is going
to be happening because he's going to be able to
play the four. So I looked at it in the
short term, and then when i'm I started rethinking about
it in the long term, I think the Lakers won
as well.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
You know, so in short short term, Dallas long term.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Lakers because they can replace Lebron James with Luka dances,
which they always have a superstar. They've never been a
team without a superstar. I don't know how long it's
been that they haven't had somebody.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Over there that was a star player. So I think
both of the teams won.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
It's just about what side of the fence that you
wan on on the winning side, because Luca could be
there for ten years if they don't win the championship?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Did they win that trade?
Speaker 7 (11:33):
If Ad and Kyrie is able to go to the
conference finals, I would think that you would look at
it and say, oh, okay, they kind of won that trade.
And if they're able to attract some free agents over
there and try to.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Do something again next year. So okay, that's where I'm
at with it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Don't get me too worked up any First of.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
All, over under one and a half titles for Luca
with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
I'm going under this.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Oh my gosh, Celtics fan says, under okay, fair enough.
Let me just quickly ask you on Dallas, what's your
concern level with Kyrie Irving now going back into the
role as the number one guy? We saw him in Boston,
did not want to work with the young kids we
saw him in Brooklyn. Bringing kd there did not work
(12:19):
at all, total disaster.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Now he cleaned up.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
His act a little bit in Dallas, but that was
as a clear number two to Luca. Now you look
around the Dallas huddle, who's the leader on that team?
And if it's Kyrie. Listen, we've seen him as the
number one. It has not gone well historically.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Can I ask you a question, please? Right now? Where
are you at? Are you? Are you the number one?
You in the driver seat right now, right because Colin's
not there right?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
But then any other time you're the number two, right,
And it's all about growth, right. And what we can
say is that we have seen Kyrie grow over these years,
and we could look back and say, man, damn, you
know he messed up the time in Boston. Boston's fans
really don't like it because of what he did over there.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Brooklyn they feel the same way.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
But in Dallas, I feel like the Dallas fans love
what he's doing. You know, he went to the NBA
Finals with him. I don't think the Cleveland fans hate Kyrie.
I think it's just a little a couple of spots
that he had a couple of blips in the map
to where on the radar, excuse me, where you look
at it. He's like, Okay, yeah he could have been
he could have had on it better. But he was young,
and I think he's mature, you know what I'm saying.
(13:28):
And when you have kids, you know this, Ja Mack.
When you have kids, you have you mature in a
different way. You go from just thinking about yourself to
also thinking about like, Okay, I got to make sure
I'm good. So they're good. That's the main thing. And
I think that he's learned from that, so I'm not worried.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I'm not worried. I think they have a good run.
I think their.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Rosters right now constructed, is better than the roster in
LA to make a run into playoffs.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I don't totally disagree with that. Here's my thing.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
The maps are actually built Eddie to really play against Okay,
see well and against Denver. This Max Christy. He's not
getting talked about, but since he went into the starting
lineup the Lakers are fifteen and eight. I'm not saying
he's a lockdown defender, but he's long, he's twitchy. I
think he could capably defend SGA, and you've got the bigs.
(14:18):
We know Okac's weakness are the bigs. If Dallas is healthy, I.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Think you're probably right. In the postseason, they can make
a run.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
That's all I'm trying to say. So at the end,
what are we playing for a We're planning to get
to the playoffs. And I have a little conspiracy theory.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Okay, here we go. Just think about this, all right.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
So Ad waved his eight percent a trade kicker, you
know about six million dollars?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Okay, cool? Him and Rich Paul, they're all clutch sports.
Lebron clutch sports.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Maybe they know something that may and maybe they tipped
to the organization to where, hey, we got to we
got to start trying to figure out who gonna replace Lebron.
Lebron might not be there. Here's my conspiracy theory. Lebron
possibly ends up in Dallas next year.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So that's kind of spicy because he is still tight
with Kyrie. They've talked about being partners.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Oh you got me there.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Once the trade happened, I started thinking like, oh, this
could be a move for him to slide over there
he plays. Think about they still have Klayton Thompson over there.
They'll have Kyrie over there, they'll have Anthony Davis. Lebron
doesn't need the money, so he could play on a
a he's not gonna get short changed now, but he's
not gonna get a max deal or anything like that.
And they had the money to give a max deal
(15:44):
to Luka Dacic. Now they look like, oh, we could
give Lebron. Oh okay, so now they can put something
together and then you could piece the ancillary players around that,
that that core of players right there, and they make
a Ron for one or two years, because that's probably
all that's gonna be really left for that type of run.
But that was just something that that I came up
(16:05):
with in my head. I was like, man, that's kind
of so would Bronni Gonid he didn't get that trade kicker?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, does he bring his song much?
Speaker 6 (16:13):
To me? Dallas, I don't know about all that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, I don't know if Lebron's gone. I don't
know if Bronni is still on the roster. Crazy stat
from our team here, Dalton connect is twenty four, Lucas
twenty five, Like that to me is kind of mind blowing.
Stuff like that. That's how young Luca Is and totally dominant.
I am curious with you. You said the Lakers always
magically end up with superstars, and you're not wrong. Magic Jabbar, Shaq,
(16:40):
Kobe on down the list. Are you one of these
guys who thinks maybe the league likes that? You know, wait,
we got Los Angeles. We need a good team. The
team in New York is finally good. Chicago's been down
for two decades. We meet like Unlike the NFL, the
NBA needs the big markets to have good teams. Are
you alluding to something there?
Speaker 7 (17:02):
No, I'm not saying that because think about it. Okay, see,
he's not a big market. They got a damn good
team and they got a superstar over there as shake Yildes,
Alexander Kay Cunningham. Detroit is not a huge market, but
they got a solid team over there and that damn
good player in Ka Cunningham.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
But it's the Lakers. It's just the Lakers. Uh. It's
the way that the Lakers operate business.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
They constantly have I mean, come on, you're you're in Hollywood,
you know you're in LA You're Intenseltown.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
You have to have stars because that brings stars to
the game that brings people to the game.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Think about this and you say, LA, well, well, damn
ain't ain't the Clippers. An't the Clippers in Las It
ain't the same. It ain't the same. You have to
have stars when you're with the Lakers. It's just the
way that that it's been since I can remember.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So there's some stories starting to emerge that in the
Dallas locker room that Luca, despite being like, the front
office didn't.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Like him, maybe because of his work habits, his diet habits.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'm just curious, did you ever in your time in
Boston or anywhere else, Miami, wherever, did you experience like
just seeing front office being unhappy with guys like out
of shape or not being in condition that were stars
and the front office like being really ticked off at them.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
No, because most of the guys I played with, pretty
much all of the star superstar players I played with,
held everybody else accountable by what.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
They did, how they came in. And it never happened
in Miami.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Because you got weight and body fat check every week,
you know where there was Monday Tuesday went every single
week you got weight and body fat. You had to
be a certain weight in body fat. If you weren't,
then you were doing extra running, you were doing extra
things that you had to do to make sure you
got to that weight and that body percent body fat percentage.
But as far as like that's the thing I think
(18:54):
if you allow your superstar player, and I think the
upper management I don't think that this. I think it's
the the owners. The new ownership is like, hey, we're
not gonna allow this to happen. Because the thing about
it is you can't have your star player come in
out of shape, everybody else in shape, and you you
(19:14):
don't hold him accountable.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
That kind of that fractures a locker room.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
But when you have a superstar player like a Kevin
Garnett that comes in and when you walk into the
into the gym right practice is in about an hour
you come, you get there an hour before he's already
on the court in the full fledh sweat.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
It makes you start kicking in like, oh, I got
to get here a little earlier so I can put
in this work.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Well, if Luca's coming in and I don't know this
for a fact, I don't know at all, but if
he's coming in out of shape, I know that he's
been coming in out of shape, that's documented. But if
he comes in with twelve minutes left before practice is starting,
then I mean that you know that sets a different
type of standard, like what kind of leadership are you having,
what kind of leadership are you out there of presenting?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
And how can you be the leader?
Speaker 7 (19:58):
We know that you're really good on the court, but
it's other things that you have to do to set
precedent for the rest of the team.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, all right, let me last one on the Lakers.
Do you think they're done making moves because there's a
lot of speculation, Hey, we don't need Austin Reeves. We've
got enough ball handlers who don't really defend.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
We need a center.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
We got to go get a room protector and Nick Claxton,
a Miles Turner, and they package the pick they have
left Reeves, Ruy, whatever the package is, to go get somebody.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You think they get a room protector.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
I don't think they're done, Dylan.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
They definitely have to go get somebody that's rem protect
them because they have so many.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Holes on the defense.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
You know, Luca's not gonna play great defense, Austin Reeve's
not gonna play great defense. And also, excuse me, Lebron
is up and down with his defense, possession of possession
sometime you've quartered a quarter a half to half.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
But what I believe is that they're.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Going to go out there try to find somebody, and
like you said, if it's a Knicks Claxton or Miles
turn I really think Miles Turner would be a good
fit for him because he could kind of stretch the
floor a little bit, and he could protect the rim,
he remounts the basketball. He's a younger guy. Nick Claxon
is a younger guy too. But if they do that,
does that move the needle? And to me, that doesn't
(21:15):
move the needle, that doesn't make them all of a
sudden be like, oh yeah, they're contenders.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
They're gonna have to make another big time deal for
a big time player.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
No disrespect to those guys that I'm talking about, because
they all can hoop, you know what I mean. I'm
not disrespecting nobody in the league like that, But they're
gonna have to get somebody that could do what Anthony
Davis does. And that's twenty seven and twelve, and maybe
you get a couple guys that are able to put
that together to make it work.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
But what I'm looking at right now, they rostered that,
ain't it.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, let me ask jim you've spent time in Miami.
What the hell is Jimmy Butler's problem? Like he was
such a good soldier, got them the two finals. It's
all falling a part. He's getting suspended. He doesn't want
to go to Golden State. He only wants to go
to Phoenix. I love Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I don't know what's happening. Man, how do you think
this ends.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
It's not gonna end good for him, as that's how
I'm feeling.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Knowing Pat Robby and knowing the business of basketball when
you start and you know Pat, pat Robby's the godfather,
so people are gonna lend they hear more to him
than they.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Will listen to Jimmy Butler's agent. Okay, or what's going on?
And the one thing I can say is that this
has kind of been a pattern with Jimmy.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
You know, in every place that he's been to he
has usually left disgrundled and upset.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
He got upset at something.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
But I think the main thing is that when Pat
said he didn't want to trade him. It wasn't the
fact that he was trying to tell him, you can't
go nowhere. I think it was like, no, we want
you here. We're not gonna trade you. Because we want
you here.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
We signed you. You got another deal. I want to say.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
It's fifty one or fifty three million dollars for next
year that he could opt into. Okay, we didn't give
you extension because we don't see it, and okay, and
that's fine, but they gave you a great deal. You're
about to play for fifty million dollars. And I'm not
counting nobody pockets looking at nobody pockets or counting nobody money.
But what I'm saying is that you have an obligation
when you are under contract. And I don't know if
(23:12):
you watched any of the Heat games. When he came
back from suspension, he took a one legged three point
shot from the corner.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
That he never takes ever. You never seen Jimmy Butler
ever take a shot like that.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Then he threw the ball on the entry pass straight
out of bounds, and then he did had lackluster effort
getting back on defense. So now it's showing me you
don't really want to be here, and you're a detriment
to what we're trying to do, the culture that we have.
So I don't think that he helped himself, you know,
in the way that he handled this. Can Jimmy Butler
(23:46):
still help a team?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Yes he can.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So we'll wrap up with this Eddie. So Luca got traded,
and Anthony Edwards was like, man, I'm scared. Nobody's safe.
If Luca can get traded, maybe I'm next. Obviously, we
don't think Anthony Edwards is getting traded, but I floated
two names. Let's start with Kevin Durant in Phoenix. The
Sons are like tenth in the West. Jimmy Butler wants
(24:09):
to be there. You can't trade Bill. Maybe Kevin Durant
had shipped and the other one. And I've been on
this for a while. You know, I'm a Steph Curry guy.
They're eleventh in the West. They can't pull off a
trade for anybody. At some point, do the Warriors say
we got to reboot and trade Steph Curry so we
can at least maximize his final years. I mean, Kaddy,
you saw at the Olympics he was dominant and now
(24:30):
he's on the eleventh place team in the West.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
The league can't have that.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Yeah, you can't trade Steph Curry Man. That's a guy
is I feel that he should. He's one of those
guys should be a lifer with that team from where
he came from to where they were at when he
got there, to where he put him and where they're
at right now. And his and his status as a
basketball player and not only a basketball player, but a
(24:56):
pillar of.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
The community as well.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Does a lot of work out there in the BA area,
whether it be in Oakland, whether it be in San
Francisco or anywhere else in the Bay Area.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
He does a lot of work of philanthropists work. And
to me, you you can't trade him and uh for
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
No.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
And if you try to get Jimmy Butler, now think
about what you.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Have on your team. You got two guys. You have a.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Draymond Green that you know could be unstable with times
and does great for the team.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He's perfect for what they try to do.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
Then you got Jimmy Butler, who could be you know,
a wild card at times as well.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
So I don't think Steph plays well with that.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
I think Steph just loves to go out and play
hoop and when it's all the other distractions like that's
going on right now, I think that that's where it
kind of does bothering. And I know Steph is getting
a little older, but now he has to be a
Golden State Warrior for life unless he doesn't want to be.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, that's the Is there a way to politically pull
that off? I do, We'll see, all right, Eddie House,
great stuff, keep up the good work, and you know,
hope everything's well with your your kids who are awesome
basketball players.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Appreciate it, man, Thank you all right.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Coming up next here on the Herd, how big of
an impact is the Lucas signing for La Wait until
you hear what Rob Polinka said just now at the
Luca presser.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's next, one more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app.
Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Back here on the Herd.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Good stuff from Eddie House, former NBA gunner, Celtics Heat.
And you know, we know that the Luca and Rob
Polinka of the Lakers met with the media this morning,
and Rob Polinka showed up dressed up like he's in Hollywood,
(26:46):
which he is technically.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
And if you listen closely, you.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Remember when I mentioned Otani earlier in the show that
like parallels between Otani and Asia and the Dodgers and money,
and now you've got Luke and Europe and the Lakers
and money. Here's uh Luca. Let's start with Rob Polinka.
Rob Polinka on the impact of Luca coming to La.
(27:10):
Listen closely to the verbiage.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Luka Doncic.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Joining forces with the Los Angeles Lakers is a seismic
event in NBA history. And the reason I say that
is because we have a twenty five year old global
superstar that's going to get on the stage of the
(27:38):
most popular and influential basketball.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Brand on the globe.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
And I think when those two powerful forces come together,
it brings basketball joy to the world.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Globe, World International, all the right buzzwords.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I know, it's popular.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Hey, let's let's bash. The NBA ratings are down. You know,
I don't know, you guys, remember Colin did a rant
on the ratings and then you know, two weeks later,
Adam Silver's on the show like I just think it's
such an overblown story about down NBA ratings, Like, who
cares they signed a billion dollar deal?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Why do you Joe Bob on Twitter, why do you
care about NBA ratings? You should? Players don't.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
They got their money, The league got their billions. Maybe
you know, TNT and ESPN should care, but do they?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
But the point is, why do you care about the ratings?
And the big thing that the NBA has going for
it is the global audience.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Everywhere in the world.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
People love basketball. Anybody can play basketball around the world. Like,
you know, you go on a trip to uh I
don't know, let's pick us Tokyo. You know, you walk
by a playground and there's people play pick up basketball.
If you've got your sneakers, you just light them up. Hey,
who's gotten next? Let me get in pick up basketball?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Everywhere. It's just a thing. People love basketball. It's easy.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You just need sneakers and a ball and hoops are everywhere. Like,
the popularity among basketball globally is massive. And I know
the influx of you know, European players to the league
has kind of hurt the domestic product as the domestic
players and we've been over this, you know, I don't
know a lot I hosted I think it was last
summer and we had Chris Bouchard on them. We kind
(29:30):
of went back and forth about this, and it's like, listen,
AAU basketball as lucrative, lucrative as it has been capitalism America,
it has hurt the product. You get these guys coming
in down, they can't shoot, they can't play in a system.
They pout when they're not getting playing time, they pout
if they're losing.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
They want to play with their friends.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Ultimately, AAU is kind of mucked some things up, but
a lot of people are profiting off of AAU basketball,
which is fine, that's capitalism. But the league has to
figure out a way to make these domestic stars matter, because.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Let's be real.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Zia Williamson, I mean, it's been a bust. You know,
he's eating his way out of the league. He's hurt
all the time, John Morant can't stay straight off the court,
Guys doing stupid things, getting in trouble like these were
supposed to be the next domestic stars. As Curry and
Kad and Lebron ag into retirement, and you look around
(30:22):
and it's like maybe it's Anthony Edwards. Maybe he's got
next and the Wolves have kind of pulled back.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
And just a weird small thing.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
But I love Anthony Edwards, but every interview he gives
after games now he's saying curse words, and I know
who cares. It's just a bad word. But like the
guys who are buying stuff for these kids? Are these kids.
They're buying the sneakers, they're buying the merch, they're the
ones wearing the jerseys, they're on TikTok following all these players,
and you just curse it. Like the domestic us guy's
(30:50):
got to clean it up. Sure, you've got a one
off like a Devin Booker who not only is like
a big deal on social media, but then he's dating
Kendall Jenner and he's a good player, so like, but
he's kind of quiet, you know, he's not one of
these out there Lebron larger than life figures. So you've
got all these European guys coming in. It's Luca, it's Jannis,
(31:11):
it's Jokich, and they're great players.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
They don't want to be the face of the league.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
So domestically, we've got to clean up our act and
listening to what Polinka was saying is he's like, guys,
we've got American fans. That's fine, We're not we don't
care if we have a smaller audience than college football
or any We don't care about that.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
We're building globally. We're looking big picture.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And Luca, you know, to his point, don't I don't
know that he cares where he is, but here he
is on his excitement of becoming a Laker.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I'm just excited, you know, to be here to start
this new journey, journey and obviously at some point I
knew this was going to happen, but I would say
I always take the high road. You know, I had
my amazing moments in Dallas with all my teammates, coaches,
and the most importantly defense, you know that always supported me,
(32:02):
and it was it was an amazing Jodney.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I know we talked about it last hour, but I
love that. Listen, Luca could have unloaded on those guys.
You guys know how hard it is to bite your
tongue when you get.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Screwed.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I mean, it's so it would have been so easy
for Luca to unload on Nico Harrison and Michael Finley
just to totally trash them up and down for a
twenty five year old. Do you guys know how dumb
we are at twenty five years old, Like we just
say and do dumb things. We're guys, we're men, so
we do. And Luca just he was a total consummate
pro right there. He could have unloaded on those guys
(32:41):
and I would have laughed, we all would have loved it.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
But he was subtle.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
He didn't come out and totally trash him, but he
kept it real. Hey, I knew this was gonna happen.
It's very clear from Luca's comments. He was cool with
the players, he loved the fans, he loved Jason Kidd
and the coaches. The front office kind of sort of
did him dirty. And and this isn't just like shipping
him out. Luckily they didn't send him to Siberia.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
He has to go to La you know, I know,
the taxes out here or brutal. Oh no, the taxes
in La Versus Texas. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
You know, guys, the Supermax would have paid him an
extra one hundred and fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Even if you want to remove the taxes.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Okay, he just the map just cost him what eighty
million dollars, seventy million dollars, whatever the number is, Like,
he's got a right to.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Be ticked off.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And I hope, and we talked about this was Roychel
Nichols yesterday. I hope that, Lucas says man, Atlanta Hawks,
they could have had me in the draft.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
They traded me.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
The Sacramento Kings chose Marvin Bagley over me, and then
Dallas where I was drafted.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I thought I spent my whole career there. They traded me.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's three teams bailing on me or saying no to me.
And I haven't even turned twenty six years old. Yet
the numbers say I'm one of the great players already
in NBA history.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
And again go look it up.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
His numbers at this age, dwarf what Michael Jordan has
done all around rebounds, this is everything. Okay, they totally
dominant what Luca's done early in his career, and three
teams have passed on him. If this isn't motivation, along
with playing next to Lebron James, who.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Is like mister fitness.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And I think I've told you guys this I go
to a gym out here in LA and you know,
I see this big six or five guy playing basketball.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I'm like, oh, geez, who the hell is that guy?
He looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
They're like, oh, he's Lebron's body double. He does all
the He's at every commercial and all these movies. Lebron
is has a body double and that's him. So of
course I've come friendly with this guy and he starts
telling me about Lebron. He's like, this is he's the
nicest guy ever. And oh, by the way, yeah, Lebron. Uh,
he doesn't put any he doesn't need any food that
(34:53):
unless it's cleared by his nutrition. He's got like a
team around him. He get guy gets massages all the time.
He keeps his body and tiptop shape. He's not out
there eating a raka ribs. You know, Lebron has his
act together. And now Luca's next to him. Folks, I
know people like, oh, under one and a half titles.
I'm just saying, Luca and the Lakers. Sky's the limit,
(35:14):
all right? Coming up next, two huge NFL stars are
in the trade market. I'll tell you why and where
I think they'll land next.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Here on The Herd.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together We're
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
You could catch us.
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to four
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio App.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Going on in the world.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
We have a lot of fun talking about the stories
behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture,
stories that well other shows don't seem to have the
time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends
for the last twenty years and still work together. I
mean that says something, right, So check us out. We
like to get you involved too, take your phone calls,
chop it up. As they say, I'd say, the most
interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive
(36:12):
show on planetar. Be sure to check out Cavino and
Rich live on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio App
from five to seven pm Eastern two to four Pacific
and if you miss any of the live show, just
search Covin on Rich wherever you get your podcasts, and
of course on social media that's Covino and Rich.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
This week, we are headed to New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
The Herd and the entire FS one lineup will be
live from Bourbon Street on Thursday and Friday as we
get ready for Super Bowl fifty nine. Friday, we have
a Super Bowl special ad for Eastern on Fox. We'll
be joined by special guests all week counting down to
the big game. Very exciting. Colin promises he will be back.
He did text me during the show. There were some
(36:52):
expletives now that we're not He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
He's not like that. I am He's not, by the way.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I know some of you are disappointed and know Nick
Right today he used comes on on Tuesday, and I
know you were fired up. Oh shucks, Nick, combative Nick
Right against argumentative Jason McIntyre. That was like a showdown
for the ages. And Nick had a commitment so he
couldn't make it.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
But I don't know. I'm sure we'll chop it up.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
He is mister Chiefs and I'm mister public enemy number
one with Chiefs fans, which I don't mind.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I embraced that role. I don't mind being that guy,
all right.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
So we had on Albert Breer earlier talking about obviously
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
He's down in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
By the way, if you were watching on FS one,
there was all these people randomly walking by Breer during
the interview. I find that stuff funny because you can
see all of them kind of side eye to see
what's going on.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I just I don't know, that's just me. I find
that stuff funny.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Anyway, So Breer was talking about the super Bowl and
we got into this Miles Garrett trade request.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Garrett obviously wants out of Cleveland, because who doesn't. Here's
what he said. Listen closely to what he said about Detroit.
Speaker 10 (37:57):
So they have Aiden Hutchinson coming back off the and
they're gonna pay Aiden Hutchinson. What better way to kind
of make sure that he has some runway and coming
back off the injury and the defense has a real
strength to build off of. Then you get Aiden Hutchinson
back from injury, you'll have Allayne mcnehill coming back from injury.
And then oh, by the way, you've got Miles Garrett
(38:19):
out there.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I know Lions fans are fired up.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
It was a disappointing end of the season for the Lions,
and now you lose both coordinators. It's funny not to
reveal too much, but you know, I think I've mentioned this.
Jared Goff lives near me out here in LA and
you know, he's got the supermodel wife or maybe sports
illustrated swimsuit wife, whatever she is, and I see.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Them sometimes around town.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I've never talked to them, obviously, but Jared Goff is
building this like massive house right on the same block
as some of my friends. And somebody was in Target,
which is also near me, and Jared Goff walks into Target.
So Budd, Hey, text me, Hey, Jared Goff just walked
into Target, and I was like, ask him about ask
him about the Lions off seas and what the hell's
(39:06):
going on there. I will not reveal what was said,
but I'm just saying right now, there's pressure on the
Lions to do something. Okay, they don't want to step back.
They were, you know, a pretty morbid franchise for a
long time. Woke up with Dan Campbell Golfing Company, and
now it's like, can we get to this.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Can we get over the hump?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
And I feel like there's a pullback coming speaking of
the Lions and the NFC, I don't know why this
Cooper Cup story is not getting more attention.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
And I know some people say, oh, he's just a receiver,
he's kind of washed.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I think we I think this deserves a little more detail.
So Cooper Cup is very close with Matt Stafford. They
are buddies. Do you guys remember within the last two
years Matt Stafford's wife went on a podcast and was like,
Matt Stafford.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Hates the locker room. He can't relate to any of
these guys. Everybody's on the phone. He's an old man,
he's got kids. His guy is Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Stafford and Cupper close the way that the Rams are
moving off Cup to me, I don't exactly know what
it is, but it's something.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
It feels strange. And then in the morning meeting, you know,
we got a sharp group, a lot of smart people.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
They pointed out, well, Jay, remember this is a kind
of a cutthroat RAMS franchise. They moved off of Jared Goff,
they moved off of Gurley, they moved off of Ramsey,
pretty easily.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I was like, they can't move off Cup. Look at the.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Numbers on the screen, and then I call up j
Cooper Cup stats and this is the weird part.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
This is crazy. I did not realize this. Cooper Cup's
been in the league, what seven years? He has two
one thousand yard seasons and one of them was extraordinary.
He won the Triple Crown one.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Hundred and forty five catches, nineteen hundred yards, sixteen touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
That was the year they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And I look around, I'm like, oh, that's I didn't
realize Cooper Cup. Really they had two amazing years. I
start thinking, hmm, what is happening with the Rams? Breer
alluded to it. They talked about restructuring Stafford last year.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
It was ugly, it was messy. They ended up keeping him.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I'm just saying I think it bears watching what's going
on with the Rams. Obviously Cowherd knows the franchise. Well,
maybe he'll have something on it later in the week,
but it just feels like there is something afoot.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I don't know what. I can't put my finger on it.
But a fun game I like to play.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
It's easier with the NBA because their reporters say stuff
and don't care. In the NFL, everybody's really buttoned up
and doesn't want to irk the owners.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Something. I don't know what it is, but something's going
on with the Rams.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
And Breer actually said, if I'm the Steelers, I make
a call to the Rams about Matt Stafford. And I
was like, oh, now that is interesting, and you know,
we love interesting on the show. Again, I like Cooper
cuple lot. I do think he's gonna thrive somewhere. Breer
alluded to Washington, which makes a hell of a lot
of sense. And I know the parallel of white guy,
(42:06):
white guy with Adam Thielen is a little goofy, but
let's be real. Like Deeling possession receiver, Cup possession receiver.
Both guys run awesome routes. They're not gonna wow you
with speed or down the field, but they can play.
And I think Cup is gonna have revenge on his mind.
Just the way the Rams are moving off of him.
It just doesn't seem like a nice move. Like Cooper,
(42:28):
Cup's a great guy in the community on social media,
he looks like a family guy. He's not getting in
trouble he's Stafford's boy. It feels weird, like a weird
time for the Rams. I would not be surprised if
the Crosstown Chargers made a play for Cooper Cup. Hey man,
you love La, you can stay out here.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
We'll take you. We could use receivers. And again, Cup's
out a number one anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
He's closer to a two. Very interesting stuff going on
with the Rams. Obviously, Miles Garrett is a big deal.
That's a bigger story because he's a high impact player.
But it feels to me like the Cooper Cup situation
bears watching with the Rams, all right, coming up next
the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Have they already become the Patriots? That's next year on
the Herd.
Hosts And Creators
Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.