February 6, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin discusses what he feels the Super Bowl will be like this Sunday
Thoughts on the Lakers latest trade after getting Luka Doncic
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome into the Crescent City Live in New Orleans, a
perfect setting for a Super Bowl for the ages. Jamac
to my side, our guest list filling up. We are
in New Orleans and this is The Herd. We have
a great show, and we're gonna be here in New
Orleans for a couple of days and we're gonna make
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it and we're gonna make it count. Jmac. Now, I
was gonna lead with the Lakers, who made another move
last night. For the last time I did a show
that led with the Lakers, things got really fuzzy, really,
So I'm gonna make that the second story. I'm a
little superstitious on that. What I want to lead with
is this. I thought about this last night. What is
this super Bowl gonna look like? And you know what
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I think it is, And I think it's a pretty
good comp This is gonna be the New England Seahawks
Super Bowl. Remember that the Seahawks, like the Eagles, had
the stacked roster. In fact, when people talk about Philadelphia's roster,
they say it's the best since Seattle. You talked to
Tom Brady about that Seahawks roster. I've talked to him
on this show, and he's like, there were no weaknesses.
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Everybody was great. Safeties, corners, edge rushers, defensive tackles, there
were no weaknesses. There were no flaws. That's Philadelphia. But
the quarterback Russell Wilson, Jalen Hurts a little small mobile.
Is he an old timer?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
New England is Kansas City iconic coach, maybe the greatest
quarterback of all time, second best roster. But they always
win close games. Anytime a game is close, any time
it could go either way, anytime it's a big third down,
it was Brady and the Patriot. It's Mahomes in Kansas
City to win that game. And I want to talk
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about this because I think this is gonna be a
chess match, and I think one of the chess matches
is gonna be between Mahomes and Vic Fangio. The defensive
coordinator for Philadelphia, who, by the way, Mahomes is eight
and zero. Again, every quarterback in the league struggles with
Vic Fangio, except maybe Josh Allen and accept maybe Patrick Mahomes.
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And I do think we have to consider this, and
I don't think this is hyperbolic. If Patrick Mahomes wins
and the first team, now the Packers did it, but
the first team in what we consider modern football to
win three in a row. He is the NFL's MJ.
And I think there are real similarities MJ six for
six in the finals six MVPs, but we saw as
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struggles and I'll get to that in a second. Mahomes
is almost relentless like MJ. He didn't look great in
the regular seas He's and Michael had off nights, but
they both kind of shift gears. And what I've always
noticed about Mahomes much like Michael, they're not burdened with pressure.
It's almost like they get bored in the regular season,
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and Michael would put his arms around these moments like, Okay,
this stuff counts. It was Tiger in his prime. Oh
or finally the Sunday Final nine holes. That's Mahomes the
way he shrinks Lamar Jackson, an all time great. The
way he shrinks Josh Allen, maybe the most physically gifted
quarterback since Marino or Lway makes me think Mahomes sometimes
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like MJ is bored with a regular season. He's that gifted.
And when I watched the mjy and I remember this well,
sitting on a couch watching the Suns Bulls final and
Barkley was amazing. But he made Barkley look okay. And
MJ wasn't the best shooter. He wasn't the biggest player,
he wasn't the strongest player, he wasn't the best ball handler,
none of that stuff, none of it with Michael. But
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he was six foot six of relentless. Mahomes isn't as
big as Allen. He doesn't move like Jackson, he doesn't
have the best arm, although he throws kind of quirky
side arm. But there's just something about him. There's an it,
and it's why. Remember now, Michael wasn't a number one pick.
Mahomes wasn't a number one pick. That was Lebron. Lebron
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was on the cover of Sports Illustrated at sixteen. Lebron
was the prodigy Lebron was the overwhelming number one pick.
But that's not the way it was with Michael and Mahomes.
Mahomes had a losing record in the Big Twelve. There's
one year he led the conference in interceptions. I saw
him play one college game that I remember. He was
really skinny wild. It was a shootout, like all Big
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Twelve games, and I thought, that doesn't translate to the NFL.
He's out of control. And people forget this about MJ.
It's as if the archives of MJ losing have been lost.
They went Bermuda Triangle? Where did they go? Nobody knows?
Michael Jordan won. Is a freshman. You saw the movie Air,
he hits the big shot. Remember that? Do you realize
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that Michael stayed in college for two more years and
didn't win a title. In fact, there is a ten
year gap. If you ever want to come down to
the Bourbon Street and when a free cocktail and oysters
bet people this from his title as a freshman at
UNC to his first NBA championship, Michael Jordan had a
Grand Canyon size ten year gap before he won a title.
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And it's like there's no footage of it. It's like
the tape disappeared. So I watched Michael get beat up
by the Celtics and the Pistons. I watched Mahomes be
wild lead the Big twelve interceptions and because of that,
they're not prodigies. They weren't on the cover, they weren't
Bryce Harper, they weren't Tiger Woods. Because of that, I've
watched them stumble, get beaten up, get tackled by the Pistons,
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and the Celtics get rolled by Oklahoma, and I think
it makes them incredibly likable. But I do think this
is going to look like New England Brady with a
little less talent around him, though good with an iconic
coach against a stacked roster and a very good coach
Pete Carroll and a very good quarterback in his prime,
Russell Wilson. And my guess is it ends the same
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way with the iconic all time quarterback on one play
late winning the game. And here's Mahomes talking about the
matchup with Big Fangio.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Every time I've played Coach Fangio, there's been different changeups
and different things that he's thrown at us. And that's
what makes him so great is he's not gonna just
do exactly what you saw the last time. And so
I'm sure there'll be Blitzer in the game. I'm sure
there'll be times that they play coverage. It's gonna be
a chess match, and you want to go up against
the best, and he's one of the best defensive coordinators
in the the NFL, and it'll be a great challenge
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for us as an offense and as a football team.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, now I'll talk Lakers. Take a deep breath. I'll
be fine. So the Lakers made a couple of moves,
but they made another one last night to get a
really talented kid that I didn't watch him in the NBA,
just highlights, but I saw him at Duke named Mark Williams.
Big athletic shot blocker, more defense than offense, has a
nice little soft touch around the rim. That's what the
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Lakers needed. That's what the Lakers acquired twenty three years old,
great future, and the Warriors got Jimmy Butler. Get to
that in a second. But I don't know if the
Laker or Warrior moves make them championship teams. Feels more
possible with the Lakers, but the new CBA in twenty
twenty three put up this wall of fear, and a
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lot of teams didn't want to make moves. But who did?
Last year the Celtics drew Holliday and Porzingis and the
MAVs with Gafford and they went out and got PJ.
Washington and who ended up in the finals the MAVs
and the Celtics. So this year trading deadline, if you're
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not making moves, you feel like you're not progressive, you're
not competitive, you're asleep at the wheel. I mean, Rob Polenka,
let's be honest about this, got himself a five year
new deal, getting Luca without giving up Aufton Reeves or
a second number one pick and getting Mark Williams and
again not giving up Austin Reeves. And I don't know
long term what Austin Reeves is gonna provide with Luca
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and Lebron James, but I know this. Dallas was twenty
nine and twenty three last year at the trading deadline
and then went twenty one to nine and ended up
in the finals. So everybody was really really with a
new CBA, a little self conscious, a little rigid, a
little fearful on making big moves. MAVs Celtics did and
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were rewarded, and I think the Lakers and the Warriors
did and will be rewarded. I think between Luca Austin Reeves,
a rim protector, the Lakers and Luca, I think I
think they went from old to young athletic. They're still
not great as a perimeter defensive team. They probably need
another three point shooter, but the Lakers have literally changed
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the feel and the reality of their roster, old to
young and more dynamic. And that's a real thing in
Los Angeles now. In terms of Jimmy Butler to the Warriors,
I say this, I think a month ago on the air,
I said, they got to make a move. If Steph's
not on the floor, they're boring. And the one thing
with the Warriors, you didn't have to love them. They
were never boring. And it's like, he needs a number
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two star and he got it. And yes, they gave
up Andrew Wiggins. They've been looking to move him for years.
Yeah they move, but you know what they keep kaminga
They got Draymond, it's Steph, it's Jimmy Butler. Now, I
don't know if this takes them to a new level.
But the NBA's television ratings for the last three years
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have had a interesting problem. And this solves the interesting
problem for the Warriors and the Lakers, who, by the way,
every time they play on Christmas, every time Steph and
Lebron play, it's the highest rated game in the regular season,
and it was this year so far, and now they
both got more interesting. And whereas you know, the NBA
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is doing a lot of things right, but it's getting
more European. It's less reliant on familiar college basketball players.
So it does matter where the players play in La
New York, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco. It matters. That's why
baseball ratings Dodgers, great, Yankees, great Met's interesting, Bryce Harper,
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Philly's good. In the NFL, it doesn't matter. Buffalo could
face Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. You get a
number baseball. In the NBA, there can be interesting problems,
so you need the right stars to end up in
the right places. So I look at this. I am
much more interested in the NBA today than I was
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three days ago. That's all I know. I cannot wait
to watch Jimmy Butler, Stephen Draymond and I Luca, Mark Williams,
Lebron Austin Reeves. I don't know that feels like a
team that can get to the finals. Mark Williams is
one of those guys. He's young, he's had injuries, but
when he's on the floor, and I saw him at Duke.
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Not a lot of NBA knowledge, but I saw him
at Duke, and he is a force. He is an
athletic force. So j Mack, here we are. Matt Hasselbeck's
gonna be on set in twenty minutes. Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez.
I will do what I always do for the biggest
games of the year. I take out my yellow pad
and I rate all the players, Chiefs and Eagles. Who's
got the more play Generally, whoever's got the more good
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players wins. I will tell you it is tough. There
are there are sixteen guys. I'll just tell you right now,
Travis Kelsey didn't make it.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
That's not that out of a take.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Come on, not top ten in this game.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
He's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
By the way, you see money coming in on the
Eagles here. Line's coming down a little bit. Probably gonnahead
toward pick.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Them this weekend, all right, well, people make mistakes all
the time.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
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the Crescent city of Bourbon Street, beautiful place. This place
is called Mason Bourbon It's a it's a jazz home, which,
as you know in New Orleans, is something that's your special.
Coming up next among our other thoughts is there is
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a secret sauce and a familiarity with the Eagles and
Chiefs that isn't getting discussed much. We'll talk about that next.
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App down of the bull were of the present city
in New Orleans on Bourbon Street. So the great philosophers
and quotable philosophers of our time or any generation. There's Shakespeare,
there's Aristotle, and of course Tony Soprano, and that Tony
Soprano says one time, remember when is the lowest form
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of communication? Or in other words, look through the windshield,
not the rear view mirror, remember when I gotta be honest.
There's a lot of talk about Brady and mahomes goat talk.
I think it's due I think football, in my life
has always been the one sport that is constantly changing.
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There's an old saying in sports. The NBA thinks of it,
Baseball makes the most money from it, and football gets
it right. They tweak, they change, they alter even during
games during the playoffs, they'll change a rule to make
it better for the fans. You cannot compare Brady and
Patrick Mahomes. You can't compare them. I mean, Brady had
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a defensive conservative coach who could not draft wide receivers.
Mahomes has the greatest offensive coach, maybe next to Bill Walsh, ever,
and he has a surplus of almost everything. Now, they
had to get rid of one wide receiver. But they
always find talent, they always find creative play design. They're
different players in different eras. You go back to when
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Brady broke into the league. What you could do to
wide receivers, Jammingham, what you could do to quarterback, how
you could hit people upstairs. None of that's allowed. That
gets you thrown out of games. Now, that is not
a knock at Mahomes. It is the reality of a
sport that is constantly fluctuating and constantly changing. It's different.
Bob Gibson, the great Saint Louis Cardinal pitcher. He would
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get people out if he was pitching today. So it's
Sandy Kofax, it's pitcher against hitter. You can make changes
to the rules that goofy, defensive shift that was implemented
then retracted, and some stuff changes like analytics where now
ground balls or troubles strikeouts are okay. They talk long
jangle and stuff. Nobody really outside of baseball cares about.
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Football is just changing all the time. Overtime rules, regulation rules,
the kickoff is different, the pat is different, and you
can't do nearly what you can do as a defender
that you could do twenty years ago when Tom Brady
broke into this league. Stylistically, they're two different players, Mahomes
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and Brady. The coaching is different. And I think, to me,
all the great quarterbacks in my life, you can go
to Bradshaw to Stabler, to Aipman, to Marino, to Elway,
to Mahomes to Brady, like all of them. I feel
like the all time great to have two things in common.
Franchise stability, Like he kind of had the same people
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in the building mostly for a long time, and you
had a really strong coach. It could be Chuck Knowle,
it could be a Madden, a Belichick, and Andy Reid,
Shula Shanahan. That's it. A strong coach who in his
era is among the top two or three, and stability
in the organization. So comparing Brady and Mahomes, it's a
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little bit like comparing currency to cryptocurrency, Like I know
you can pay for stuff with both, but one I
don't know what to do with and the other I
know exactly what to do with. And Mahomes is just
entering as prime. I don't know what it's going to become.
And I think, I mean, the Goat talk to me.
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Are we just filling content? Are we filling sections? Are
we filling space? It's like in college football when a
writer's in October early October talking Heisman talk about the games.
Nobody cares about an award that's regional at best. Here's
Mahomes on the Goat talks.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
I'm trying to be the greatest patron of Homes that
I can be. I mean, that's obviously a goal of
anyone's is to be the greatest of their profession. But
in order to do that, you thin be the greatest
that you can be every single day, and if that's
on the field and not the work ethic got put
in or off the field, and the father and then
the husband, and I am I'm gonna try to be
the greatest in that way. And whenever I'm done with
the football, and if I leave everything out there the
way that I feel like I have so far as
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far as effort and mentality, I'll be happy with the
results and I'll let others talk about who the greatest
is of whatever profession.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
That is, all right, don't forget thirty five minutes from now,
I'm gonna give you the top ten players. I do
this for every championship, the biggest games of the year.
I'll give you who I think are the ten best
players in order. Yeah, Mahomes is probably number one. And
here's j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Probably number one.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
All right, super Bowl is upon us Colin Eagles hoping
to kind of turn the tables. After that Super Bowl
fifty seven loss, Jalen Hurts was asked about how that
defeat impacted him.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
I'm not so much, you know, it's it's the same
as any other game. And you know, I think the
moments are the moments by how some of the you know,
every game has his lessons good, better and different.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So he's been able to.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Become wiser, grow and mature and take all these lessons
in for the next season and the next game.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
So Hurts was spectacular in the last Super Bowl. Three
hundred and four yards passing, seventy on the ground, four touchdowns.
He did have a phone in the pocket that Bolton
scooped up and scored on. The kind of got the
Chiefs reinvigorated. What's your vibe on Hurtz, who's had an
up and down season.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Remember they kind of rained him in early.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
There are splits that are really interesting. When he has
time to throw, he is spectacular. When he's pressured, he
is below average, like near the bottom of the league.
So it's pretty clear what the game plan is for
Kansas City Spags in the second, third, and fourth quarters.
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Kansas City is a top five pressurizing team. I think
you're gonna see a lot of blitzes, a lot of pressure.
I think what Kansas City doesn't want to happen is
Philadelphia's dominant O line in run game, puts Patrick Mahomes
on the sideline as a spectator for three and a
half hours. So I think Spags is gonna take big
risks and say, you know what, Jalen beat us over
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the top. We're gonna put Trent McDuffie on AJ Brown.
We feel good about it. Beat us in big plays.
What we're not gonna let you do is have nine
minute drives and we get out of rhythm offensively and
we can't stop you defensive.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Interesting, you know, I actually have a Hurts ticket to
win MVP of the super Bowl simply because of that strategy.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I think he's gonna be blitzed, and.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I think Hurts is going to deliver. I believe in him.
I know he's had his ups and downs. I don't
think this Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Defense is as good as everybody's making it out to become.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
They cannot stop the run.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well, they're they're not as good as last year. And again,
once you pay a quarterback what Mahomes makes, you have
to make choices. Remember they got rid of Snead yep.
But but I will say this Spags his defense like
Mahomes in big games, they tend to ratchet it up
a little bit. He's a little more exotic with his blitzes.
They take more chances. I mean, I don't know what
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Philadelphia's game plan is, but I feel like Kansas City
has a way to win, and that is to make
Jalen Hurts uncomfortable. You can't blitz Mahomes, so that doesn't
work with them. What you want to do, and Jalen
Carter is sick and he's not going to be one
hundred percent potentially hopefull.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
He doesn't have what you had yet, well, yeah, would
not be good.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
He's a little stronger if he does get it. But
I think what pressurizing Mahomes only works if it comes
on a four man rush man. If you start adding
extra people, it's like Brady and his product just he'll
eat you a lot so you can bletch hurt and
he regresses. You can't do that with Mahomes. It's a
different level player.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
All right, Let's move on to another quarterback who you like.
That's Justin Herbert. Phenomenal regular season, got his team to
the playoffs, but he was not spectacular.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Actually, he was terrible in the loss to Houston.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Had four interceptions, barely through any all season, but then
imploded in the playoff game. Herbert's now zero to two
in the postseason, and of course you got meat balls
all over the internet of criticizing him. Here's Derwin James
clapping back at the haters.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Can we please start trying number ten? Man, I'll stop
disrespecting him, bro, I promise you, like, I can't wait
for y'all to see man like this next season, when
I know what we're gonna do, what we do for
y'all really get to see the real team. Man, I
know how are you work? No, I would ready. I
know what a quarterback, bro? You played against him? You
know how good of a player is?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Guys? Kind of what Derwin James here? Right? Yeah? I
think I think Justin Herbert has a little bit of
a Lamar Jackson issue. Is we know you're super talented,
we know you're worth a lot of money. We know
you're a top seven to eight guy, we know you're
a franchise quarterback. But this is not baseball where stats
are king, and it's not basketball where aesthetics and optics matter. Right, Carmelo,
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you don't hold it against him. He didn't win a lot,
but he was a great scorer. This is pro football.
But if you don't win in January, then we look
at you differently. I mean, Dan Marino maybe the most
towned quarterback ever. I mean seriously that good. Dan Marino
went to a Super Bowl and you're true, never got
back and it's absolutely held against him. If John Elway
at the very end of his career didn't win Super Bowls.
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I mean I grew up with Elway. He was getting
blasted in playoff games. He was getting blasted in Super
Bowl before Terrell Davis. So it does matter in this sport.
I mean, Barry Bonds did not have a lot of
postseason success. It doesn't matter. We talk about some steroids,
but we don't Ken Griffy He's still the natural. But
football is different. You have to win in January.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yeah, this whole member.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Peyton Manning struggled his first I believe, four years in
the league, couldn't win a playoff game. Can you imagine
what social media would have done to Peyton Manning, who's
one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Final story, Colin is the Packers.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
This is a little spicy.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
They brought in Josh Jacobs to.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Give Jordan Love a weapon in the run game of Jacobs,
who was awesome thirteen hundred yards fifteen touchdowns. Jacobs, though,
is now offering a request for the Packers front office.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Obviously we got a really yard group of tay re severs.
All can be really, really really specially enough.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
But I think personally we need to die as proved
mun be a number one already, so somebody that's gone
and that we know is gonna be a little bit
more consistent that maybe played hard before.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Would be coming at the right.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
The slot.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I don't know about it completely, absolutely dis Yeah, I'm
with you.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
This is players. Players love wide receivers because they're fun,
they're athletic, they're the most interesting players on the field
personality wise. There's an argument Kansas City is better without
Tyreek Hill, Buffalo's better without Stefan Diggs. Dak Prescott got
better without Des Bryant. And my take is the let
you you do, not what you need is sub weapon.
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It can be Saquon Barkley, it can be Travis Kelsey Grom.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
You need a.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Dependable weapon, and it can be anything. It can be
Christian McCaffrey. I think Saquon Barkley is the weapon. I mean,
AJ Brown is reading on the sidelines like he's Devontae
Smith has disappeared. I think wide receivers have a purpose,
but these games late and once again running backs, everybody
said it was going away wide receivers as the weather
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gets cold, and all these northern teams that play outdoors
do not have the post season value of Josh Jacobs
to the Packers. Josh Jacobs actually changed green Bay more
this year. Derrick Henry to the Ravens, changed them more
than his A Flowers would do. So I this is
how players view it. But that's why players are not
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GM's I don't think I think the green Bay receivers
are more than adequate.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
They got Dobbs, Read Watson, Wicks, a.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Good group, one of the deepest groups in the league.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Jacobs has been in Green Bay for a year. How's
this going to go over in the locker room? Dude,
you just showed up. I know you're renting a house
we bought.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
We've been here, we were drafted by the teeth.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
This is not good news.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, totally disagree with that. Take Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
In fact, let me tell you what green Bay needs.
So because the Deshaun Watson situation in Cleveland's such a mess,
and because ownership's been chaotic, Miles Garrett is now available
on the market. Miles Garrett's like, I don't want to
be a Cleveland Brown And by the way, they had
some success with him, just not last year. So Miles
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Garrett is a once. The Cleveland Browns will never draft
another pass rusher as good as Miles Garrett, and the
Giants will never have another LT And that's just the
reality of it. Miles Garrett, to me, is one of six,
maybe five defensive players in the league. Max Crosby's probably
one that I would pay for, Chris Jones of Kansas
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City is one. I think. Jalen Carter is probably one.
I would just open the checkbook. I don't care what
he costs. There are two teams that need to go
make aggressive runs at Miles Garrett, the Buffalo Bills and
the Green Bay Packers. So let's think about Buffalo with
a good defense and Sean McDermott. I've watched this thing
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over and over with Mahomes. You can't stop him. He's
dropping thirty five plus. It doesn't work. You have a
defensive coach Josh Allen in the defensive culture, you can't
stop Mahomes. You're not gonna find him in the draft.
There's nobody sniffing Miles Garrett in this draft. There's nobody
close to us. Guy. There's about six six to eight
first round players that scouts think are really, really elite.
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It is a very watered down mostly second and third
and fourth round picks. Go get in Green Bay. You're
facing the best offensive line arguably in football in Detroit,
and if you get past them, the next great offensive
line is Philadelphia. The only way to beat of Philadelphia
or Detroit with those old lines if you're Green Bay,
because Jordan Love is gonna make mistakes, is an unblockable
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rush in And so I look at Buffalo and I
look at Green Bay. Guys, I'm look at what you're
surrounded by. You're not beating Mahomes unless you buy a disruptor.
And you're not getting through Detroit and Philadelphia's old lines
with Green Bay's current pass rush. And because Buffalo and
Green Bay are the two smallest markets, you know, the
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media is more supportive. That doesn't mean it doesn't have
any bite. But the Buffalo media and the Green Bay media,
it's a little bit like New Orleans. They're kind of
on your side a little bit. If the New York
Giants are the Jets, for instance, New York teams with
an angry, loud New York media, if they were this
far from the Super Bowl, radio stations, newspapers, the media
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and fans in New York would be demanding you get
Miles Garrett. But Green Bay and Buffalo, and I've been
reading some of the local articles there on the Miles Garrett.
Then it's like, well it'd be a pretty decent fit. No, No,
you're not beating Mahomes. You can't stop Mahomes. Von Miller's
getting older, like it's over. You're not beating Mahomes and
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green Bay. You got to take a big swing on
this because Jordan Love is good, but he can be reckless.
You're gonna be in close games with Detroit, Philadelphia, the
Improving Rams, the Niners are still around. Who knows what
Washington is. So to me, you get one Miles Garrett
in a franchise history. He is an outcome changer and
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there's maybe six guys in pro football today, and there's
a lot of great players. There's maybe six. Two of
them Jared Versus and Jalen Carter. I'm not there yet,
but I think I'm close that I would pay for
Max Crosby's won whatever, give me the checkbook. But like
Miles Garrett, there are two teams Buffalo and Green Bay.
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You really gotta think long and hard about your future.
Do you want to change outcomes? Listen, when you had
Farv and Rogers, you got one super Bowl. You're not
a free agent hub like players. Don't go and think
Buffalo and Green Bay on average, not sexy markets. You
gonna make it happen. And you're a guy like Miles
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Garrett may never show up in the market for the
next five years. The guys like him just don't show
up on the market. Teams don't let them go, go
get him.
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Speaker 1 (30:08):
So you know, it's interesting and I hear this a lot,
is that when the Lakers make the move for Luca,
a lot of people say, wells rig, the NBA really
wants this to happen. I'm not saying the NBA doesn't
like it, but there are certain markets. Miami, for instance,
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aqua water, great weather, best beaches in the country. Who's
been the most frenetic active Eastern Conference basketball team with
trade over the last twenty years to Miami Heat. They
have to people are distracted, too many beautiful people, too
many things to do. Los Angeles made the move to
get Luca, and within a day, everybody's like, so what,
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you gotta go get a center or you're not gonna
win any games if he goes to If Luca ended
up in Charlotte or maybe here in New Orleans or
ninety percent of the markets in the NBA, they're satisfied
with that. In Los Angeles, the Dodgers almost draw five million.
You have two NFL teams, you have great Mediterranean weather.
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It's why USC had to get Lincoln Riley Ucla Chip
Kelly Jim Harbaugh of the Chargers. You have to make
moves San Francisco. There's too many things to do. You
gotta get Jimmy Butler. That's why the Warriors they went
after KD. Again. Kd's like not interested. They went after
Jimmy Butler. Milw We've been sitting there. Milwaukee made a move.
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They let Chris Middleton go, which they should have two
years ago, and went and got Kyle Kuzma. But we've
been waiting for that for two years. It's like, guys,
let's go. But it's Milwaukee. Once the Packer season ends,
what's the competition they're winning. They're pretty good, so you know,
like Pete Alonso just re signed with the met It
was going to be three years, that ended up being two.
But there's I mean, in New York in the summer,
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some people are off the beach, the Hamptons, they're traveling,
they got the a keys thinking. There's just a lot
to do, and you are forced to make moves. So
it's the reality of being in these distracted, big, aggressive markets.
Rob Polinka, it was just interesting. I'm talking to Laker
fans and they love Luca, but a day later they're like,
but it doesn't mean anything if you don't get a Center. Okay,
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ninety percent of NBA cities would be like, we've got Luca,
we hit the power ball, Let's wait and build next year.
It's not the way it works. And here's Rob Polinka,
Luka Doncic.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
Joining forces with the Los Angeles Lakers is a seismic
event in NBA history. And the reason I say that
is because we have a twenty five year old global
superstar that's going to get on the stage of the
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most popular and influential basketball.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Brand on the globe.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
And I think when those two powerful forces come together,
it brings basketball joy to the world.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
But they were a bad defensive team as he was
sitting there on stage. And now this morning Mark Williams,
Duke Charlotte athletic shot blocker, rebounder. Now people in Los
Angeles are like, good, It's almost like the Dodgers already
had Freddy Freeman and monkey bets. Why get o Tawny
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because in the summer people are going and traveling and
beach and mountains that why not If you can fund it,
why not? And also, let's be honest, like a big
company like Meta Oracle, Google can make a mistake and
it doesn't bankrupt them. They make all sorts of the
Google glasses. You know, Meta's had all sorts of stumbles
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that I wear stuff they were gonna do. It's okay.
In these big markets, you are so capitalized, you have
so much money that you can make mistakes. Okay, it
doesn't penalize you forever. And I mean Lebron, Austin Reeves
and Anthony Davis would have been absolutely okay for almost
every franchise. I mean, go look at Boston, another city
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with a broad things to do in the summer. Boston
was winning a lot of games with Jason Tatum, with
Marcus Smart and with Jalen Brown. They were winning. I
mean they were for about a four year run. They
were like the team we thought was gonna win it.
And that wasn't good enough in Boston. That wasn't good
enough because the Patriots is at the standard. It's not
good enough. You got to take a big swing. So
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they go get Porzingis and Drew Holiday and they moved
Marcus Smart and they went that's what Boston demands. So
before you yell everybody's out to see the Celtics win,
or the Lakers win, or the Warriors or no, those
cities have to make moves because there's so much in
market competition. So I was reading a story this morning
(34:54):
about Kansas City had a very good twenty twenty two draft.
They got George car Loftis, Brian Cook, leo' chanel, Trent
McDuffie's a star at corner, Isaiah Pacheco in the seventh round.
And I mean carl Loftis was such a good pick
at thirtieth that only one other player in that first
round has had more sacks, the number one pick, Aiden
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Hudginson of Detroit. So they had a great draft. And
if you go to Philadelphia and you look at the
eagles last two drafts Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith who took
a while to get it right, Quinn and mar Mitchell
Cooper dejen two drafts, they went from one of the
oldest teams in the league last year sixth oldest, to
third youngest team in the league this year Philadelphia. So
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unlike baseball, where you can buy championships or at least
buy relevance and wins, or you know, in the NBA,
where there's kind of a reality that if you get
one or two players foundationally, you'll be viable and also
in the NBA, draft picks are a little like croutons
in your salad. They're kind of in the way you
know they're there, you have one or two, but they
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don't really matter. You can give them away. In the NFL,
this thing is still built on the draft. Free agency
in the NFL is kind of for suckers. Most of
the good teams wait three or four days in to
get value. You start looking at the Eagles, and you
start looking at the Rams, who we were told were
on a rebuild two years ago and started with a
playoff games. It's all foundational. It's all draft. And when
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I started this business years ago, I had a friend.
He goes, I don't even like the draft, but he goes,
he goes. You talk about it so much that now
I'm kind of interested, and I said it mattered. It
doesn't matter. In the NBA, I mean, Lakers are giving
away draft picks and there's not a single person in
LA that goes, I can't believe you gave away that
conditional first round picks. Nobody cares. They don't care. And
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in baseball, I mean the Pirates are the Yankees farm system.
Nobody cares. In the NFL doesn't matter your market size.
Go look at the Chiefs twenty twenty two draft as
they had to pay them homes big money. Look at
the Eagles the Jalen Hurt How are the Eagles able
to pay aj Brown, Saquon Barkley, Jalen Hurts? How are
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they able to pay all these guys Darius Slay Because
they had back to back draft classes where they got
stars at virtually every unit. And I think that's what
separates it. It's one of my mantras has always been
in the NFL. It all starts upstairs. Like I had
a general manager in the NFL. It was talking about
Buffalo after they lost to Kansas City and I had
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a discussion with him about a week and a half ago,
and he said, you know, the truth is Kansas City
has a much better roster than Buffalo. He goes, you
think Josh Allen elevates people. He goes, James Cook is great,
Josh Allen's great. They got a couple of defensive players
we like, won the corner who had the concussion stuff.
He goes, Kansas City's got just better players. He goes
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the difference between the bills upstairs and the chiefs upstairs
is greater than people think. Josh Allen just fools you
into believing Buffalo beat him. But when you watch that game,
who made all the big plays? It was the Kansas
City guys. I mean, in fact, that was one of
the problems I had with Buffalo. They didn't give James
Cook the ball last nine minutes of the game. It's like, dude,
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that's your second best player on the team. That's the
second best player you got. He's probably the eighth best
player on Kansas City or seventh. So j Mack here
we go. I know j Matck gets fired up because
anytime I ever offer slight criticism to the NBA, mister
get a bucket here from the perimeter, never seen a
jumper he didn't like, freaks out. But I will say this,
(38:33):
I don't want to overreact. But when the Lakers got Luca,
I thought, oh, that's pretty that's pretty interesting. I'm not
sure it works. When they actually got the much lesser
player today, I went, okay, Like we always talk about
this in the NFL, quarterback, left tackle, weapon, pass rusher,
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smart head coach, Like there's there's boxes you gotta check
in the NBA, as it's got bigger over the last
five years. If you don't have an athletic big s,
why DeAndre Aighton keeps getting paid. You don't even have
to be you don't have to fill out all the boxes.
If you're long, if you're athletic, that you can match
up like with Wemby in the league. Now the next
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four years you've got to figure out how to defend that,
or at least make it difficult. So I think it's
interesting that Luca is the future, but if you don't
get Mark Williams, they're really not a viable championship team
in the West.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
As excited as you are for Mark Williams, should we
get a hurricane and pour some out for Dalton Connect?
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Everybody's favorite player, I mean, and we lost Alton Connect
in the Trader.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Well that's a big loss, But what does it tell
you about the NBA? So everybody liked Dalton Connect, and
I thought he was going to be a winner in
all this because I thought Austin Reeves was the odd
man out because he, Luca and Lebron need the ball.
So I thought Austin Reeves odd man out. Dalton Connect
kind of can create space. Get him off in a wing.
But in the end, look how easily the Lakers move
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off Dalton connect because you know they were called. You know,
the Mavericks and Carolina wanted Austin Reeves. He's averaging like
eighteen points a game, and he's a playmaker, he gets
to the line. He's all hustle and effort. Everybody wanted
Austin Reeves. What Rob Poulinka did to get Luca and
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Mark Williams and keep Austin Reeves, that is good gmming
And I'm not the biggest fan of Austin Reeves. I
think in a championship team, he has to be four oh,
a soft three or a really strong for like Derek White.
You can win a championship if Derek White your third
best player. If he's your fourth, you're really really good.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
By the way, you think Luca and Lebron are scared
of OKC and SGA and the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
You think Lebron and Luk are scared of any of
those guys.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
I watched the Little SGA last night. He looked good.
I think he had a fifty p Yeah, Jesus Goring Machine,
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Welcome into the Crescent City Live in New Orleans, a
perfect setting for a Super Bowl for the ages. Jamac
to my side, our guest list filling up. We are
in New Orleans and this is The Herd. We have
a great show, and we're gonna be here in New
Orleans for a couple of days and we're gonna make
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it and we're gonna make it count. Jmac. Now, I
was gonna lead with the Lakers, who made another move
last night. For the last time I did a show
that led with the Lakers, things got really fuzzy, really,
So I'm gonna make that the second story. I'm a
little superstitious on that. What I want to lead with
is this. I thought about this last night. What is
this super Bowl gonna look like? And you know what
(01:11):
I think it is, And I think it's a pretty
good comp This is gonna be the New England Seahawks
Super Bowl. Remember that the Seahawks, like the Eagles, had
the stacked roster. In fact, when people talk about Philadelphia's roster,
they say it's the best since Seattle. You talked to
Tom Brady about that Seahawks roster. I've talked to him
on this show, and he's like, there were no weaknesses.
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Everybody was great. Safeties, corners, edge rushers, defensive tackles, there
were no weaknesses. There were no flaws. That's Philadelphia. But
the quarterback Russell Wilson, Jalen Hurts a little small mobile.
Is he an old timer?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
New England is Kansas City iconic coach, maybe the greatest
quarterback of all time, second best roster. But they always
win close games. Anytime a game is close, any time
it could go either way, anytime it's a big third down,
it was Brady and the Patriot. It's Mahomes in Kansas
City to win that game. And I want to talk
(02:08):
about this because I think this is gonna be a
chess match, and I think one of the chess matches
is gonna be between Mahomes and Vic Fangio. The defensive
coordinator for Philadelphia, who, by the way, Mahomes is eight
and zero. Again, every quarterback in the league struggles with
Vic Fangio, except maybe Josh Allen and accept maybe Patrick Mahomes.
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And I do think we have to consider this, and
I don't think this is hyperbolic. If Patrick Mahomes wins
and the first team, now the Packers did it, but
the first team in what we consider modern football to
win three in a row. He is the NFL's MJ.
And I think there are real similarities MJ six for
six in the finals six MVPs, but we saw as
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struggles and I'll get to that in a second. Mahomes
is almost relentless like MJ. He didn't look great in
the regular seas He's and Michael had off nights, but
they both kind of shift gears. And what I've always
noticed about Mahomes much like Michael, they're not burdened with pressure.
It's almost like they get bored in the regular season,
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and Michael would put his arms around these moments like, Okay,
this stuff counts. It was Tiger in his prime. Oh
or finally the Sunday Final nine holes. That's Mahomes the
way he shrinks Lamar Jackson, an all time great. The
way he shrinks Josh Allen, maybe the most physically gifted
quarterback since Marino or Lway makes me think Mahomes sometimes
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like MJ is bored with a regular season. He's that gifted.
And when I watched the mjy and I remember this well,
sitting on a couch watching the Suns Bulls final and
Barkley was amazing. But he made Barkley look okay. And
MJ wasn't the best shooter. He wasn't the biggest player,
he wasn't the strongest player, he wasn't the best ball handler,
none of that stuff, none of it with Michael. But
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he was six foot six of relentless. Mahomes isn't as
big as Allen. He doesn't move like Jackson, he doesn't
have the best arm, although he throws kind of quirky
side arm. But there's just something about him. There's an it,
and it's why. Remember now, Michael wasn't a number one pick.
Mahomes wasn't a number one pick. That was Lebron. Lebron
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was on the cover of Sports Illustrated at sixteen. Lebron
was the prodigy Lebron was the overwhelming number one pick.
But that's not the way it was with Michael and Mahomes.
Mahomes had a losing record in the Big Twelve. There's
one year he led the conference in interceptions. I saw
him play one college game that I remember. He was
really skinny wild. It was a shootout, like all Big
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Twelve games, and I thought, that doesn't translate to the NFL.
He's out of control. And people forget this about MJ.
It's as if the archives of MJ losing have been lost.
They went Bermuda Triangle? Where did they go? Nobody knows?
Michael Jordan won. Is a freshman. You saw the movie Air,
he hits the big shot. Remember that? Do you realize
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that Michael stayed in college for two more years and
didn't win a title. In fact, there is a ten
year gap. If you ever want to come down to
the Bourbon Street and when a free cocktail and oysters
bet people this from his title as a freshman at
UNC to his first NBA championship, Michael Jordan had a
Grand Canyon size ten year gap before he won a title.
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And it's like there's no footage of it. It's like
the tape disappeared. So I watched Michael get beat up
by the Celtics and the Pistons. I watched Mahomes be
wild lead the Big twelve interceptions and because of that,
they're not prodigies. They weren't on the cover, they weren't
Bryce Harper, they weren't Tiger Woods. Because of that, I've
watched them stumble, get beaten up, get tackled by the Pistons,
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and the Celtics get rolled by Oklahoma, and I think
it makes them incredibly likable. But I do think this
is going to look like New England Brady with a
little less talent around him, though good with an iconic
coach against a stacked roster and a very good coach
Pete Carroll and a very good quarterback in his prime,
Russell Wilson. And my guess is it ends the same
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way with the iconic all time quarterback on one play
late winning the game. And here's Mahomes talking about the
matchup with Big Fangio.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Every time I've played Coach Fangio, there's been different changeups
and different things that he's thrown at us. And that's
what makes him so great is he's not gonna just
do exactly what you saw the last time. And so
I'm sure there'll be Blitzer in the game. I'm sure
there'll be times that they play coverage. It's gonna be
a chess match, and you want to go up against
the best, and he's one of the best defensive coordinators
in the the NFL, and it'll be a great challenge
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for us as an offense and as a football team.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, now I'll talk Lakers. Take a deep breath. I'll
be fine. So the Lakers made a couple of moves,
but they made another one last night to get a
really talented kid that I didn't watch him in the NBA,
just highlights, but I saw him at Duke named Mark Williams.
Big athletic shot blocker, more defense than offense, has a
nice little soft touch around the rim. That's what the
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Lakers needed. That's what the Lakers acquired twenty three years old,
great future, and the Warriors got Jimmy Butler. Get to
that in a second. But I don't know if the
Laker or Warrior moves make them championship teams. Feels more
possible with the Lakers, but the new CBA in twenty
twenty three put up this wall of fear, and a
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lot of teams didn't want to make moves. But who did?
Last year the Celtics drew Holliday and Porzingis and the
MAVs with Gafford and they went out and got PJ.
Washington and who ended up in the finals the MAVs
and the Celtics. So this year trading deadline, if you're
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not making moves, you feel like you're not progressive, you're
not competitive, you're asleep at the wheel. I mean, Rob Polenka,
let's be honest about this, got himself a five year
new deal, getting Luca without giving up Aufton Reeves or
a second number one pick and getting Mark Williams and
again not giving up Austin Reeves. And I don't know
long term what Austin Reeves is gonna provide with Luca
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and Lebron James, but I know this. Dallas was twenty
nine and twenty three last year at the trading deadline
and then went twenty one to nine and ended up
in the finals. So everybody was really really with a
new CBA, a little self conscious, a little rigid, a
little fearful on making big moves. MAVs Celtics did and
(08:25):
were rewarded, and I think the Lakers and the Warriors
did and will be rewarded. I think between Luca Austin Reeves,
a rim protector, the Lakers and Luca, I think I
think they went from old to young athletic. They're still
not great as a perimeter defensive team. They probably need
another three point shooter, but the Lakers have literally changed
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the feel and the reality of their roster, old to
young and more dynamic. And that's a real thing in
Los Angeles now. In terms of Jimmy Butler to the Warriors,
I say this, I think a month ago on the air,
I said, they got to make a move. If Steph's
not on the floor, they're boring. And the one thing
with the Warriors, you didn't have to love them. They
were never boring. And it's like, he needs a number
(09:11):
two star and he got it. And yes, they gave
up Andrew Wiggins. They've been looking to move him for years.
Yeah they move, but you know what they keep kaminga
They got Draymond, it's Steph, it's Jimmy Butler. Now, I
don't know if this takes them to a new level.
But the NBA's television ratings for the last three years
(09:32):
have had a interesting problem. And this solves the interesting
problem for the Warriors and the Lakers, who, by the way,
every time they play on Christmas, every time Steph and
Lebron play, it's the highest rated game in the regular season,
and it was this year so far, and now they
both got more interesting. And whereas you know, the NBA
(09:56):
is doing a lot of things right, but it's getting
more European. It's less reliant on familiar college basketball players.
So it does matter where the players play in La
New York, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco. It matters. That's why
baseball ratings Dodgers, great, Yankees, great Met's interesting, Bryce Harper,
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Philly's good. In the NFL, it doesn't matter. Buffalo could
face Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. You get a
number baseball. In the NBA, there can be interesting problems,
so you need the right stars to end up in
the right places. So I look at this. I am
much more interested in the NBA today than I was
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three days ago. That's all I know. I cannot wait
to watch Jimmy Butler, Stephen Draymond and I Luca, Mark Williams,
Lebron Austin Reeves. I don't know that feels like a
team that can get to the finals. Mark Williams is
one of those guys. He's young, he's had injuries, but
when he's on the floor, and I saw him at Duke.
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Not a lot of NBA knowledge, but I saw him
at Duke, and he is a force. He is an
athletic force. So j Mack, here we are. Matt Hasselbeck's
gonna be on set in twenty minutes. Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez.
I will do what I always do for the biggest
games of the year. I take out my yellow pad
and I rate all the players, Chiefs and Eagles. Who's
got the more play Generally, whoever's got the more good
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players wins. I will tell you it is tough. There
are there are sixteen guys. I'll just tell you right now,
Travis Kelsey didn't make it.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
That's not that out of a take.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Come on, not top ten in this game.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
He's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
By the way, you see money coming in on the
Eagles here. Line's coming down a little bit. Probably gonnahead
toward pick.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Them this weekend, all right, well, people make mistakes all
the time.
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the Crescent city of Bourbon Street, beautiful place. This place
is called Mason Bourbon It's a it's a jazz home, which,
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a secret sauce and a familiarity with the Eagles and
Chiefs that isn't getting discussed much. We'll talk about that next.
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App down of the bull were of the present city
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and quotable philosophers of our time or any generation. There's Shakespeare,
there's Aristotle, and of course Tony Soprano, and that Tony
Soprano says one time, remember when is the lowest form
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of communication? Or in other words, look through the windshield,
not the rear view mirror, remember when I gotta be honest.
There's a lot of talk about Brady and mahomes goat talk.
I think it's due I think football, in my life
has always been the one sport that is constantly changing.
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There's an old saying in sports. The NBA thinks of it,
Baseball makes the most money from it, and football gets
it right. They tweak, they change, they alter even during
games during the playoffs, they'll change a rule to make
it better for the fans. You cannot compare Brady and
Patrick Mahomes. You can't compare them. I mean, Brady had
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a defensive conservative coach who could not draft wide receivers.
Mahomes has the greatest offensive coach, maybe next to Bill Walsh, ever,
and he has a surplus of almost everything. Now, they
had to get rid of one wide receiver. But they
always find talent, they always find creative play design. They're
different players in different eras. You go back to when
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Brady broke into the league. What you could do to
wide receivers, Jammingham, what you could do to quarterback, how
you could hit people upstairs. None of that's allowed. That
gets you thrown out of games. Now, that is not
a knock at Mahomes. It is the reality of a
sport that is constantly fluctuating and constantly changing. It's different.
Bob Gibson, the great Saint Louis Cardinal pitcher. He would
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get people out if he was pitching today. So it's
Sandy Kofax, it's pitcher against hitter. You can make changes
to the rules that goofy, defensive shift that was implemented
then retracted, and some stuff changes like analytics where now
ground balls or troubles strikeouts are okay. They talk long
jangle and stuff. Nobody really outside of baseball cares about.
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Football is just changing all the time. Overtime rules, regulation rules,
the kickoff is different, the pat is different, and you
can't do nearly what you can do as a defender
that you could do twenty years ago when Tom Brady
broke into this league. Stylistically, they're two different players, Mahomes
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and Brady. The coaching is different. And I think, to me,
all the great quarterbacks in my life, you can go
to Bradshaw to Stabler, to Aipman, to Marino, to Elway,
to Mahomes to Brady, like all of them. I feel
like the all time great to have two things in common.
Franchise stability, Like he kind of had the same people
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in the building mostly for a long time, and you
had a really strong coach. It could be Chuck Knowle,
it could be a Madden, a Belichick, and Andy Reid,
Shula Shanahan. That's it. A strong coach who in his
era is among the top two or three, and stability
in the organization. So comparing Brady and Mahomes, it's a
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little bit like comparing currency to cryptocurrency, Like I know
you can pay for stuff with both, but one I
don't know what to do with and the other I
know exactly what to do with. And Mahomes is just
entering as prime. I don't know what it's going to become.
And I think, I mean, the Goat talk to me.
(16:08):
Are we just filling content? Are we filling sections? Are
we filling space? It's like in college football when a
writer's in October early October talking Heisman talk about the games.
Nobody cares about an award that's regional at best. Here's
Mahomes on the Goat talks.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
I'm trying to be the greatest patron of Homes that
I can be. I mean, that's obviously a goal of
anyone's is to be the greatest of their profession. But
in order to do that, you thin be the greatest
that you can be every single day, and if that's
on the field and not the work ethic got put
in or off the field, and the father and then
the husband, and I am I'm gonna try to be
the greatest in that way. And whenever I'm done with
the football, and if I leave everything out there the
way that I feel like I have so far as
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far as effort and mentality, I'll be happy with the
results and I'll let others talk about who the greatest
is of whatever profession.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
That is, all right, don't forget thirty five minutes from now,
I'm gonna give you the top ten players. I do
this for every championship, the biggest games of the year.
I'll give you who I think are the ten best
players in order. Yeah, Mahomes is probably number one. And
here's j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Probably number one.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
All right, super Bowl is upon us Colin Eagles hoping
to kind of turn the tables. After that Super Bowl
fifty seven loss, Jalen Hurts was asked about how that
defeat impacted him.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
I'm not so much, you know, it's it's the same
as any other game. And you know, I think the
moments are the moments by how some of the you know,
every game has his lessons good, better and different.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So he's been able to.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Become wiser, grow and mature and take all these lessons
in for the next season and the next game.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
So Hurts was spectacular in the last Super Bowl. Three
hundred and four yards passing, seventy on the ground, four touchdowns.
He did have a phone in the pocket that Bolton
scooped up and scored on. The kind of got the
Chiefs reinvigorated. What's your vibe on Hurtz, who's had an
up and down season.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Remember they kind of rained him in early.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
There are splits that are really interesting. When he has
time to throw, he is spectacular. When he's pressured, he
is below average, like near the bottom of the league.
So it's pretty clear what the game plan is for
Kansas City Spags in the second, third, and fourth quarters.
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Kansas City is a top five pressurizing team. I think
you're gonna see a lot of blitzes, a lot of pressure.
I think what Kansas City doesn't want to happen is
Philadelphia's dominant O line in run game, puts Patrick Mahomes
on the sideline as a spectator for three and a
half hours. So I think Spags is gonna take big
risks and say, you know what, Jalen beat us over
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the top. We're gonna put Trent McDuffie on AJ Brown.
We feel good about it. Beat us in big plays.
What we're not gonna let you do is have nine
minute drives and we get out of rhythm offensively and
we can't stop you defensive.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Interesting, you know, I actually have a Hurts ticket to
win MVP of the super Bowl simply because of that strategy.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I think he's gonna be blitzed, and.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I think Hurts is going to deliver. I believe in him.
I know he's had his ups and downs. I don't
think this Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Defense is as good as everybody's making it out to become.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
They cannot stop the run.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well, they're they're not as good as last year. And again,
once you pay a quarterback what Mahomes makes, you have
to make choices. Remember they got rid of Snead yep.
But but I will say this Spags his defense like
Mahomes in big games, they tend to ratchet it up
a little bit. He's a little more exotic with his blitzes.
They take more chances. I mean, I don't know what
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Philadelphia's game plan is, but I feel like Kansas City
has a way to win, and that is to make
Jalen Hurts uncomfortable. You can't blitz Mahomes, so that doesn't
work with them. What you want to do, and Jalen
Carter is sick and he's not going to be one
hundred percent potentially hopefull.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
He doesn't have what you had yet, well, yeah, would
not be good.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
He's a little stronger if he does get it. But
I think what pressurizing Mahomes only works if it comes
on a four man rush man. If you start adding
extra people, it's like Brady and his product just he'll
eat you a lot so you can bletch hurt and
he regresses. You can't do that with Mahomes. It's a
different level player.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
All right, Let's move on to another quarterback who you like.
That's Justin Herbert. Phenomenal regular season, got his team to
the playoffs, but he was not spectacular.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Actually, he was terrible in the loss to Houston.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Had four interceptions, barely through any all season, but then
imploded in the playoff game. Herbert's now zero to two
in the postseason, and of course you got meat balls
all over the internet of criticizing him. Here's Derwin James
clapping back at the haters.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Can we please start trying number ten? Man, I'll stop
disrespecting him, bro, I promise you, like, I can't wait
for y'all to see man like this next season, when
I know what we're gonna do, what we do for
y'all really get to see the real team. Man, I
know how are you work? No, I would ready. I
know what a quarterback, bro? You played against him? You
know how good of a player is?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Guys? Kind of what Derwin James here? Right? Yeah? I
think I think Justin Herbert has a little bit of
a Lamar Jackson issue. Is we know you're super talented,
we know you're worth a lot of money. We know
you're a top seven to eight guy, we know you're
a franchise quarterback. But this is not baseball where stats
are king, and it's not basketball where aesthetics and optics matter. Right, Carmelo,
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you don't hold it against him. He didn't win a lot,
but he was a great scorer. This is pro football.
But if you don't win in January, then we look
at you differently. I mean, Dan Marino maybe the most
towned quarterback ever. I mean seriously that good. Dan Marino
went to a Super Bowl and you're true, never got
back and it's absolutely held against him. If John Elway
at the very end of his career didn't win Super Bowls.
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I mean I grew up with Elway. He was getting
blasted in playoff games. He was getting blasted in Super
Bowl before Terrell Davis. So it does matter in this sport.
I mean, Barry Bonds did not have a lot of
postseason success. It doesn't matter. We talk about some steroids,
but we don't Ken Griffy He's still the natural. But
football is different. You have to win in January.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yeah, this whole member.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Peyton Manning struggled his first I believe, four years in
the league, couldn't win a playoff game. Can you imagine
what social media would have done to Peyton Manning, who's
one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Final story, Colin is the Packers.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
This is a little spicy.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
They brought in Josh Jacobs to.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Give Jordan Love a weapon in the run game of Jacobs,
who was awesome thirteen hundred yards fifteen touchdowns. Jacobs, though,
is now offering a request for the Packers front office.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Obviously we got a really yard group of tay re severs.
All can be really, really really specially enough.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
But I think personally we need to die as proved
mun be a number one already, so somebody that's gone
and that we know is gonna be a little bit
more consistent that maybe played hard before.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Would be coming at the right.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
The slot.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I don't know about it completely, absolutely dis Yeah, I'm
with you.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
This is players. Players love wide receivers because they're fun,
they're athletic, they're the most interesting players on the field
personality wise. There's an argument Kansas City is better without
Tyreek Hill, Buffalo's better without Stefan Diggs. Dak Prescott got
better without Des Bryant. And my take is the let
you you do, not what you need is sub weapon.
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It can be Saquon Barkley, it can be Travis Kelsey Grom.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
You need a.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Dependable weapon, and it can be anything. It can be
Christian McCaffrey. I think Saquon Barkley is the weapon. I mean,
AJ Brown is reading on the sidelines like he's Devontae
Smith has disappeared. I think wide receivers have a purpose,
but these games late and once again running backs, everybody
said it was going away wide receivers as the weather
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gets cold, and all these northern teams that play outdoors
do not have the post season value of Josh Jacobs
to the Packers. Josh Jacobs actually changed green Bay more
this year. Derrick Henry to the Ravens, changed them more
than his A Flowers would do. So I this is
how players view it. But that's why players are not
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GM's I don't think I think the green Bay receivers
are more than adequate.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
They got Dobbs, Read Watson, Wicks, a.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Good group, one of the deepest groups in the league.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Jacobs has been in Green Bay for a year. How's
this going to go over in the locker room? Dude,
you just showed up. I know you're renting a house
we bought.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
We've been here, we were drafted by the teeth.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
This is not good news.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, totally disagree with that. Take Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
In fact, let me tell you what green Bay needs.
So because the Deshaun Watson situation in Cleveland's such a mess,
and because ownership's been chaotic, Miles Garrett is now available
on the market. Miles Garrett's like, I don't want to
be a Cleveland Brown And by the way, they had
some success with him, just not last year. So Miles
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Garrett is a once. The Cleveland Browns will never draft
another pass rusher as good as Miles Garrett, and the
Giants will never have another LT And that's just the
reality of it. Miles Garrett, to me, is one of six,
maybe five defensive players in the league. Max Crosby's probably
one that I would pay for, Chris Jones of Kansas
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City is one. I think. Jalen Carter is probably one.
I would just open the checkbook. I don't care what
he costs. There are two teams that need to go
make aggressive runs at Miles Garrett, the Buffalo Bills and
the Green Bay Packers. So let's think about Buffalo with
a good defense and Sean McDermott. I've watched this thing
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over and over with Mahomes. You can't stop him. He's
dropping thirty five plus. It doesn't work. You have a
defensive coach Josh Allen in the defensive culture, you can't
stop Mahomes. You're not gonna find him in the draft.
There's nobody sniffing Miles Garrett in this draft. There's nobody
close to us. Guy. There's about six six to eight
first round players that scouts think are really, really elite.
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It is a very watered down mostly second and third
and fourth round picks. Go get in Green Bay. You're
facing the best offensive line arguably in football in Detroit,
and if you get past them, the next great offensive
line is Philadelphia. The only way to beat of Philadelphia
or Detroit with those old lines if you're Green Bay,
because Jordan Love is gonna make mistakes, is an unblockable
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rush in And so I look at Buffalo and I
look at Green Bay. Guys, I'm look at what you're
surrounded by. You're not beating Mahomes unless you buy a disruptor.
And you're not getting through Detroit and Philadelphia's old lines
with Green Bay's current pass rush. And because Buffalo and
Green Bay are the two smallest markets, you know, the
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media is more supportive. That doesn't mean it doesn't have
any bite. But the Buffalo media and the Green Bay media,
it's a little bit like New Orleans. They're kind of
on your side a little bit. If the New York
Giants are the Jets, for instance, New York teams with
an angry, loud New York media, if they were this
far from the Super Bowl, radio stations, newspapers, the media
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and fans in New York would be demanding you get
Miles Garrett. But Green Bay and Buffalo, and I've been
reading some of the local articles there on the Miles Garrett.
Then it's like, well it'd be a pretty decent fit. No, No,
you're not beating Mahomes. You can't stop Mahomes. Von Miller's
getting older, like it's over. You're not beating Mahomes and
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green Bay. You got to take a big swing on
this because Jordan Love is good, but he can be reckless.
You're gonna be in close games with Detroit, Philadelphia, the
Improving Rams, the Niners are still around. Who knows what
Washington is. So to me, you get one Miles Garrett
in a franchise history. He is an outcome changer and
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there's maybe six guys in pro football today, and there's
a lot of great players. There's maybe six. Two of
them Jared Versus and Jalen Carter. I'm not there yet,
but I think I'm close that I would pay for
Max Crosby's won whatever, give me the checkbook. But like
Miles Garrett, there are two teams Buffalo and Green Bay.
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You really gotta think long and hard about your future.
Do you want to change outcomes? Listen, when you had
Farv and Rogers, you got one super Bowl. You're not
a free agent hub like players. Don't go and think
Buffalo and Green Bay on average, not sexy markets. You
gonna make it happen. And you're a guy like Miles
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Garrett may never show up in the market for the
next five years. The guys like him just don't show
up on the market. Teams don't let them go, go
get him.
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Speaker 1 (30:08):
So you know, it's interesting and I hear this a lot,
is that when the Lakers make the move for Luca,
a lot of people say, wells rig, the NBA really
wants this to happen. I'm not saying the NBA doesn't
like it, but there are certain markets. Miami, for instance,
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aqua water, great weather, best beaches in the country. Who's
been the most frenetic active Eastern Conference basketball team with
trade over the last twenty years to Miami Heat. They
have to people are distracted, too many beautiful people, too
many things to do. Los Angeles made the move to
get Luca, and within a day, everybody's like, so what,
(30:53):
you gotta go get a center or you're not gonna
win any games if he goes to If Luca ended
up in Charlotte or maybe here in New Orleans or
ninety percent of the markets in the NBA, they're satisfied
with that. In Los Angeles, the Dodgers almost draw five million.
You have two NFL teams, you have great Mediterranean weather.
(31:14):
It's why USC had to get Lincoln Riley Ucla Chip
Kelly Jim Harbaugh of the Chargers. You have to make
moves San Francisco. There's too many things to do. You
gotta get Jimmy Butler. That's why the Warriors they went
after KD. Again. Kd's like not interested. They went after
Jimmy Butler. Milw We've been sitting there. Milwaukee made a move.
(31:34):
They let Chris Middleton go, which they should have two
years ago, and went and got Kyle Kuzma. But we've
been waiting for that for two years. It's like, guys,
let's go. But it's Milwaukee. Once the Packer season ends,
what's the competition they're winning. They're pretty good, so you know,
like Pete Alonso just re signed with the met It
was going to be three years, that ended up being two.
But there's I mean, in New York in the summer,
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some people are off the beach, the Hamptons, they're traveling,
they got the a keys thinking. There's just a lot
to do, and you are forced to make moves. So
it's the reality of being in these distracted, big, aggressive markets.
Rob Polinka, it was just interesting. I'm talking to Laker
fans and they love Luca, but a day later they're like,
but it doesn't mean anything if you don't get a Center. Okay,
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ninety percent of NBA cities would be like, we've got Luca,
we hit the power ball, Let's wait and build next year.
It's not the way it works. And here's Rob Polinka,
Luka Doncic.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
Joining forces with the Los Angeles Lakers is a seismic
event in NBA history. And the reason I say that
is because we have a twenty five year old global
superstar that's going to get on the stage of the
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most popular and influential basketball.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Brand on the globe.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
And I think when those two powerful forces come together,
it brings basketball joy to the world.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
But they were a bad defensive team as he was
sitting there on stage. And now this morning Mark Williams,
Duke Charlotte athletic shot blocker, rebounder. Now people in Los
Angeles are like, good, It's almost like the Dodgers already
had Freddy Freeman and monkey bets. Why get o Tawny
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because in the summer people are going and traveling and
beach and mountains that why not If you can fund it,
why not? And also, let's be honest, like a big
company like Meta Oracle, Google can make a mistake and
it doesn't bankrupt them. They make all sorts of the
Google glasses. You know, Meta's had all sorts of stumbles
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that I wear stuff they were gonna do. It's okay.
In these big markets, you are so capitalized, you have
so much money that you can make mistakes. Okay, it
doesn't penalize you forever. And I mean Lebron, Austin Reeves
and Anthony Davis would have been absolutely okay for almost
every franchise. I mean, go look at Boston, another city
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with a broad things to do in the summer. Boston
was winning a lot of games with Jason Tatum, with
Marcus Smart and with Jalen Brown. They were winning. I
mean they were for about a four year run. They
were like the team we thought was gonna win it.
And that wasn't good enough in Boston. That wasn't good
enough because the Patriots is at the standard. It's not
good enough. You got to take a big swing. So
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they go get Porzingis and Drew Holiday and they moved
Marcus Smart and they went that's what Boston demands. So
before you yell everybody's out to see the Celtics win,
or the Lakers win, or the Warriors or no, those
cities have to make moves because there's so much in
market competition. So I was reading a story this morning
(34:54):
about Kansas City had a very good twenty twenty two draft.
They got George car Loftis, Brian Cook, leo' chanel, Trent
McDuffie's a star at corner, Isaiah Pacheco in the seventh round.
And I mean carl Loftis was such a good pick
at thirtieth that only one other player in that first
round has had more sacks, the number one pick, Aiden
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Hudginson of Detroit. So they had a great draft. And
if you go to Philadelphia and you look at the
eagles last two drafts Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith who took
a while to get it right, Quinn and mar Mitchell
Cooper dejen two drafts, they went from one of the
oldest teams in the league last year sixth oldest, to
third youngest team in the league this year Philadelphia. So
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unlike baseball, where you can buy championships or at least
buy relevance and wins, or you know, in the NBA,
where there's kind of a reality that if you get
one or two players foundationally, you'll be viable and also
in the NBA, draft picks are a little like croutons
in your salad. They're kind of in the way you
know they're there, you have one or two, but they
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don't really matter. You can give them away. In the NFL,
this thing is still built on the draft. Free agency
in the NFL is kind of for suckers. Most of
the good teams wait three or four days in to
get value. You start looking at the Eagles, and you
start looking at the Rams, who we were told were
on a rebuild two years ago and started with a
playoff games. It's all foundational. It's all draft. And when
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I started this business years ago, I had a friend.
He goes, I don't even like the draft, but he goes,
he goes. You talk about it so much that now
I'm kind of interested, and I said it mattered. It
doesn't matter. In the NBA, I mean, Lakers are giving
away draft picks and there's not a single person in
LA that goes, I can't believe you gave away that
conditional first round picks. Nobody cares. They don't care. And
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in baseball, I mean the Pirates are the Yankees farm system.
Nobody cares. In the NFL doesn't matter your market size.
Go look at the Chiefs twenty twenty two draft as
they had to pay them homes big money. Look at
the Eagles the Jalen Hurt How are the Eagles able
to pay aj Brown, Saquon Barkley, Jalen Hurts? How are
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they able to pay all these guys Darius Slay Because
they had back to back draft classes where they got
stars at virtually every unit. And I think that's what
separates it. It's one of my mantras has always been
in the NFL. It all starts upstairs. Like I had
a general manager in the NFL. It was talking about
Buffalo after they lost to Kansas City and I had
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a discussion with him about a week and a half ago,
and he said, you know, the truth is Kansas City
has a much better roster than Buffalo. He goes, you
think Josh Allen elevates people. He goes, James Cook is great,
Josh Allen's great. They got a couple of defensive players
we like, won the corner who had the concussion stuff.
He goes, Kansas City's got just better players. He goes
(37:50):
the difference between the bills upstairs and the chiefs upstairs
is greater than people think. Josh Allen just fools you
into believing Buffalo beat him. But when you watch that game,
who made all the big plays? It was the Kansas
City guys. I mean, in fact, that was one of
the problems I had with Buffalo. They didn't give James
Cook the ball last nine minutes of the game. It's like, dude,
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that's your second best player on the team. That's the
second best player you got. He's probably the eighth best
player on Kansas City or seventh. So j Mack here
we go. I know j Matck gets fired up because
anytime I ever offer slight criticism to the NBA, mister
get a bucket here from the perimeter, never seen a
jumper he didn't like, freaks out. But I will say this,
(38:33):
I don't want to overreact. But when the Lakers got Luca,
I thought, oh, that's pretty that's pretty interesting. I'm not
sure it works. When they actually got the much lesser
player today, I went, okay, Like we always talk about
this in the NFL, quarterback, left tackle, weapon, pass rusher,
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smart head coach, Like there's there's boxes you gotta check
in the NBA, as it's got bigger over the last
five years. If you don't have an athletic big s,
why DeAndre Aighton keeps getting paid. You don't even have
to be you don't have to fill out all the boxes.
If you're long, if you're athletic, that you can match
up like with Wemby in the league. Now the next
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four years you've got to figure out how to defend that,
or at least make it difficult. So I think it's
interesting that Luca is the future, but if you don't
get Mark Williams, they're really not a viable championship team
in the West.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
As excited as you are for Mark Williams, should we
get a hurricane and pour some out for Dalton Connect?
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Everybody's favorite player, I mean, and we lost Alton Connect
in the Trader.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Well that's a big loss, But what does it tell
you about the NBA? So everybody liked Dalton Connect, and
I thought he was going to be a winner in
all this because I thought Austin Reeves was the odd
man out because he, Luca and Lebron need the ball.
So I thought Austin Reeves odd man out. Dalton Connect
kind of can create space. Get him off in a wing.
But in the end, look how easily the Lakers move
(39:56):
off Dalton connect because you know they were called. You know,
the Mavericks and Carolina wanted Austin Reeves. He's averaging like
eighteen points a game, and he's a playmaker, he gets
to the line. He's all hustle and effort. Everybody wanted
Austin Reeves. What Rob Poulinka did to get Luca and
(40:16):
Mark Williams and keep Austin Reeves, that is good gmming
And I'm not the biggest fan of Austin Reeves. I
think in a championship team, he has to be four oh,
a soft three or a really strong for like Derek White.
You can win a championship if Derek White your third
best player. If he's your fourth, you're really really good.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
By the way, you think Luca and Lebron are scared
of OKC and SGA and the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
You think Lebron and Luk are scared of any of
those guys.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
I watched the Little SGA last night. He looked good.
I think he had a fifty p Yeah, Jesus Goring Machine,
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