February 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Colin reacts to a dominating Eagles win over the Chiefs to capture the Super Bowl capping off an impressive playoff run. He tells you why he was right about Travis Kelce and wrong about Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts. Plus, 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to discuss Patrick Mahomes struggling in the Super Bowl for the second time in his career.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Monday, the day after
the Super Bowl live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamax. By
any standards, this was not one of the more memorable
Super Bowls unless your favorite color is green. Unless you're
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the Philadelphia Eagles. I know you love the Eagles. That
is totally understand you, baby. Who damn well, there are
a lot of angle on this. I will say this,
it's the only Super Bowl I've ever watched where there
were four MVP's minimum. Howie Roseman, the general manager, Vic Fangio,
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the defensive coordinator, Jalen Hurts, the quarterback who won it
for the Eagles, and the entire defensive line it was
so dominating. It has to have a ripple effect on
the Dallas Cowboys and the Niners and the Rams and
the Packers and how they draft. Does it not, like,
how do you block that? I mean, it was really
really good during the regular season. What was that? I mean,
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we taught quarterbacks all the time on the show, Yet
Philly humiliated Patrick Mahomes. They could not block the Eagles.
I mean, Saquon Barkley was almost irrelevant. The tush push
was his most activity. The d line, the total defense.
It makes Nick Sirianni this morning look like Belichick. Philadelphia's
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GM has and uses all the levers, drafting, trading, free agency,
and it's a relentless pursuit of excellence. Very good is
not good enough. Look at their two picks. One is
a rookie, another one is a transformed special teams player.
That is so Howie Roseman. Look at the touchdown passes.
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One's a Heisman winner, one AJ Brown comes via a
massive trade. The only roster I've seen like this in
the last fifteen to twenty years was that Seahawk roster
when they had a similar quarterback, the elusive Russell Wilson
on the rookie contract. And remember we've seen this before.
That Seahawk defense harassed and humiliated another legend, Peyton Manning.
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That's what we watched yesterday. That was the lowest point
for Peyton Manning in his career. Well, yesterday, Mahomes was awful.
I mean, there's no shame losing to a great team.
But if you look at the box score, that's the
most deceiving box score outside of the turnovers I've ever
seen for a quarterback. It says Patrick Mahomes twenty one
to thirty two in a passer rating of ninety five.
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That is junk points, junk yards, and junk completions. He
had one first down in the first half on the
first play, and what was most disappointing is that he
never seemed to sort of manipulate the game. But let's
just talk about Philadelphia here. They had more penalty yards
than Kansas City than actual yards in the first half.
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Think about that. The Eagles had more points in the
first half than Kansas City actually had yards. It was
Peyton Manning facing that Seahawk defense. And we last week
we said, I think this Philadelphia roster is the best
since that Seahawks roster, and man, did we say it
on display? Now maybe it was in verse where Seattle.
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You remember that Seahawk team, the big win. They're gonna
do too than they And I don't know in what
Philadelphia is gonna go, but I just watched a flurry,
a defensive line, rookie corners, a game plan, and Mahomes
was completely out of sorts. I mean, Philadelphia, this is
what we thought they could be at their best. But
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throughout the course of the season, I can remember in
week eight, nine, ten to eleven, we're like, there are quarters,
They're amazing. But remember early in the year they couldn't
score in the first quarter. Remember early in the year,
we're like, man, they have drives, how do they ever punt?
But you'd get like two drives a game. They put
it all together last night, the GM, the DC, the quarterback,
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the old line, the D line. They didn't even need
sa Kwan Barkley. And here was the young head coach
after this is the ultimate team game.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
You can't be great without the greatness of others. And
we uh great performance by everybody offense, defense, special teams.
Howie getting us the guys, our coaching staff, these great players,
We didn't really ever what anyone thought about how we
won or their opinions.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
All we want to do is win. So let's talk
Patrick Mahomes for the record, He's now just three and
two in Super Bowls and Tom Brady lost three of
them by a total combined fifteen points. Patrick Mahomes has
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lost two and the point differential is minus forty and
he has trailed in all five Super Bowls. And what
really disappointed me he never manipulated the game. He got
rattled and frustrated, taken out of his game and had
no second pitch. Tom Brady always found ways, even when
he had the second best roster in a Super Bowl,
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he found ways at the line of scrimmage to manipulate
a defense, move the chains at least be viable in
field position. Anybody can win. Let's be honest. With a
full house or pocket a can you win when you
got a pair of sevens? And I felt multiple times
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in AFC Championships or Super Bowls that Brady actually had
the second best roster and had to massage it and
manipulate it and move the chains with his pre snap excellence.
With Mahomes two weeks to prepare with Andy Reid. It
feels like they had no second pitch. And his special
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secret power has always been his legs, and once Philadelphia
took that away, there was nothing else there. I don't
remember Tom ever trailing thirty four to zero in any game.
And in the one Super Bowl where Brady was getting
rolled twenty eight to three, he came back to win again.
Brady had bad plays, bad quarters, a bad half, bad moments.
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This was just awful. In fact, Brady's biggest Super Bowl
loss was that one possession game to the Eagles in
which they never punted. Before we get into that silly
goat conversation, know that Brady's superpower was the ability when
he had the second best roster, and we never thought,
I mean, New England constantly do your job. It's about
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the team. They moved off really good players. They didn't
have a stacked roster. The Randy Moss team felt a
little stacked offensively and they never won a ring. But
the early Brady, in the late Brady, in the Tampa
Brady was about manipulation, line of scrimmage, moving the chains.
Often when you had an offensive line that was struggling
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or under duress or was being overwhelmed. Two weeks with
Andy Reid, I didn't even feel like I got a
second pitch. You don't always get a full house. Brady
has never been that bad in a big game, And
at least when he struggled and he had picked sixes
in Super Bowls, you felt there was a sense he
was getting the most out of his roster. If you
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look at the clear stats now of Mahomes and Brady
in Super Bowls, Let's be totally honest about this. Brady
is elite. Patrick's passer rating is mid eighties. That's what
it is. Eighty six point nine, ten touchdowns, seven picks.
That's with two weeks to prepare. And that's with Andy Reid.
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And again nobody's denying. Philadelphia is stacked. Go ask Peyton
Manning about that Seattle defense. But what's interesting is Brady
faced that Seattle defense too, and he just kept manipulating
and manipulating and manipulating, and he trailed and he was behind,
and it looked like trouble. But Brady found a way
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to just get first downs, eat the clock, find your
little weaknesses, the tiny little crevices. Against the Seahawks, all
Brady had was a pair of seven against him. That's
all he had. And he just put his team in
a position to win. Yes, yes, yes he had to
rely on Malcolm Butler, but he put his team in
position to win. Mahomes couldn't put his team in position
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to become competitive. I mean, I felt like I was
watching the same play over and over and over thirty
four nothing, And I never felt like that with Brady.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Here's Mahomes after That's the beauty of football is that
you never can be satisfied with just coming out there
and playing and thinking you're gonna have success year in
and year out. These defenses are going to continue to
get better and better, and so I have to get better,
and so I take a lot of ownership in that
and I want to hopefully come back and play better football.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You know, it's interesting because I had Tom Brady on
my show Friday in New Orleans and we broke this
very subject. And it's interesting because you know, we all
know this is there are very few great rosters in
the NFL now because of salary cap. You can't do
the Pittsburgh Steelers in the mid seventies, like, you just
can't do that. It's hard to do the Joe Montana,
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Bill Walsh forty nine ers where you're like, I don't
think they have any weaknesses. That's why what the Seahawks
did for that brief time on Russell Wilson's rookie contract,
You're like, this is insane. Or like when brock Per
his first year when San Francisco didn't have to pay
him because he was a seventh round quarterback, and you're like,
this isn't fair. Yes, Philadelphia's roster is great, and had
they won this, I get it. But there is the
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art of quarterback. It's not all legs and arms. And
Brady talked about this. Tom Brady talked about this Friday
on the show.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
My last year, in my last super Bowl was a
part of I was two weeks to watching film Friday night.
I was just going through the film more. I knew
Kansas City's defense better than they knew themselves. I had
the answers to the test. That's where I was great.
That's where my magic superpower was. It wasn't how fast
I could run, it was how fast I could diagnose
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what they were doing. What's the special quality? What's the
internet speed of me as a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Fast as Yes, he was Starlink before Starlink, and that's
what disappointed me. It's not losing. There is no shame
in losing to Philadelphia. J Mack kept telling me all
week that defensive lines trouble, and I kept thinking, Joe
Toney and Creat Humphreys, they'll be fine. It's Mahomes, it's
Andy Alpha buy But I you know, and this is
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not to just dump on Mahomes, but he's gotten a
lot of praise for years, but watching that game made
me realize how great Brady was. Peyton Manning was completely
undone by the Seahawks. Brady beat him. Mahomes was completely
undone by the Eagles defense. Now Brady found ways to
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beat a Seahawks team Manning great, Mahomes great, That's that's Brady.
A lot of you guys play poker. You can't just
win when you have the best hand. It is about
constantly bluffing and manipulating and trying to marginalize their best
and elevate yours. And I came out out of that
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game thinking, did we ever get how good Tom was?
And I'm not saying listen, I'm not saying that because
he works for the company, But boy, when you watch
that game. I felt like Kansas City had the same
play and they run it twenty eight times. It is
what you do before the ball is snapped. It can't
just be that's cfr left tackle can block him this time.
The answers no for three and a half hours. J Man,
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good stuff. Congratulations you kept You know, over the course
of a season, we go about fifty to fifty. I'm
yelling at you and you're yelling at me. But I
could acknowledge yesterday by about the second drive that early
that well, you know, it's funny. There were parts of
that game and I forget if it was like seventeen
nothing and I'm like, it feels like it's thirty eight nothing,
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and then all of a sudden, the damn breaks. Like
I thought, Kansas City's defense did all it could considering
they were it was three out, three and out, three
and out, and Kansas City's defense is essentially really for
a half, maybe maybe half and half a quarter, like
they were really doing as good as you could do.
But Philadelphia felt like their stuff was mostly working, and
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when it didn't the next play did they just they
There is something to be said. I know it's not
just talent, But there is something to be said that
if I have overwhelming talent and I'm smartly coached and
smartly quarterback, it's hard to beat there.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
I saw a joke that you know, Serena Williams participated
in the half times he did some dance and I
saw stat that she had more yards than that she's
had in the first half during the halftime show. I mean, Colin,
I know we joke about seeing ghosts in the pocket.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
You know.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
I remember the samtarld with the Jets. It felt like
Mahomes did not know what was going on. He was
anticipating pressure on a blitz and the Eagles never blitzed
all night, didn't want blitz once they were getting home
before and he looked totally rattled. I've never seen him
that bad. The Super Bowl against the Bucks. He was
under pressure running for his life.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That he lost a left tackle late in the season
and I almost gave him a pass on that one.
This is two weeks Philadelphia. By the way, this Philadelphia
team lost to Kirk Cousins early in the year. I mean,
if you go back to this Philadelphia team, what's interesting
and this is why football is so great and baseball
has this too. Be very careful about September and October
judging this Philadelphia team could not score in the first
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quarter for like the it felt like the first until
Thanksgiving and we couldn't figure it out. We're like, how,
But it takes time to figure out what you can do.
And a lot of this goes to Jalen Hurts and
I want to talk about that coming up live in
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Speaker 1 (14:38):
Here we go hour two and a Monday, a lot
of green, feeling good today live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac,
you and Man Hasselback. He'll be on in three minutes.
We're right, Yes, you love Philadelphia. In fact, you on
your Fox sports dot Com column said the Eagles d
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line will be the difference in the game, and two
series in it was really obvious it was the difference
in the game.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
I was holding off texting you because I know you
have to console Nick.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Tough time for him and his Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
But this was as dominating in Super Bowl as you've
seen in a while.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Colin last three years were all close games.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This is bloosity.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Well you know something though, and I said this for
years when the SEC dominated college football. I said, I
always root for people who deeply care about stuff, and
I do think how much do you care correlates with
how happy I am, at least for me. And Philadelphia
cares so deeply about sports and Philadelphia Eagle football they're
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like a collegiate team. I mean they're callers on radio stations.
They complain after winning. And there's a soft spot in
my heart for people. If you love what you do
and you do put more time in it and you
are better at it, I got no problem. I got Philadelphia.
It's good for the league. Good luck and the Cowboys,
Giants and Commanders because that D line is is a
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lot of those guys are young. Yeah, I mean that
the Corners rookies bond.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
By the way, Josh Sweat, I think two and a
half sacks last night. He's a free agent this offseason.
He's gonna get paid by somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Good times all right, Where Colin was right. Where Colin
was wrong on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Where Colin was right, well, I spent a.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Lot of time talking about general managers in the NFL
and how undervalued they are. Howie Roseman been on that
train for years. I think the executive suite is the
difference with the Lions roster, and the difference between Kansas
City and Buffalo, and the difference with Philadelphia. The bottom line,
the gap in this league is not just coaches and quarterbacks,
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it's upstairs. Some teams don't know what they're doing. The
Eagles always do take big swings, are very willing to
roll the dice, and it has paid off clearly.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Although his temperament and I think he's a great kid,
I've never really put Jalen Hurts in the top six
or seven quarterbacks because I don't think he's a great
pocket thrower. But maybe it's time to reevaluate processing, univier, toughness, push, push.
What he does continually is play really really good football
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in the biggest moments. A lot of guys shrink. He elevates.
I was wrong on Jalen.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Hurts where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I didn't put Travis Kelcey in my top ten players
for the Super Bowl. It does feel like it's time.
He had two catchable balls, didn't produce. He did have
his turnback the clock game against Houston, didn't do anything
in the last two even the suit he war. I
don't know, just felt a little midlife crisis whatever. I
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don't know, but it does feel like we're seeing we're
seeing a tank that doesn't have a lot left in it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You know, I thought the rookie cornerbacks for the Eagles
could be a liability, but boy today Deliver who knew
that Toledo in Iowa is where great cornerbacks live, fast, sticky, smart, physical,
Cooper de gene quinnyon Mitchell just outstanding. And what was
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really interesting if you watch the highlights is how often
they could stay with Kansas City's receivers all the way
down the field. This wasn't just about pressure. Mahomes did
on occasion roll out and looked and by time and
nobody was still open.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Aaron Rodgers dumped by the Packers and now dumped by
the Jets. Am I surprised they did it? Yes, but
I have said for years people close to Aaron who
are played with him, he can be moody. You're never
quite sure what you get in the building day to day.
And right now he's probably thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteen best quarterback
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in the league. And he's a little expensive for that.
And he is not despite what a handful of friends say,
he's not a great unifier. He flew to New York,
according to Jay Glazer, thinking he was going to be
the quarterback, and the second NFL franchise said we're gonna
move on where Colin was, right Deebo Samuel, everybody laments
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the future of running backs. I believe a quarterback's best
friend is an a line and a run game, not
a needy wide receiver. I like Debo, he's a good player,
but it's kind of become a cliche now, the receiver
that needs touches and attention. In the end, running backs don't.
Their careers are shorter. It's almost like they're more appreciative
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a Deebo Samuel. Once they drafted Ricky Pearsall felt like
he was no longer part of the San Francisco forty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Ers future where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
He has way wrong on Nick siri on he never
loved his methodology and yelling at fans and confrontations on
the bench. But you know what, two super bowls in
three years he feels You know what, can I say?
The team likes him, the city likes him, the coaches
like him. Yeah, he's a little bit emotional. Well so
was Bill Parcells. I made a mistake of thinking that
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everybody coaches the same, and they don't. You know, there's
creative guys like Andy Reid, there's more rigid guys like
Bill Belichick. There's more emotional guys like Dan Campbell and
Nick Sirianni, and then there's more stoic guys throughout the league.
So everybody coaches different and I have learned.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
My lesson where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Huh, Joe l Embiid might need another knee surgery. I've
never understood Embiid. He didn't play his first two years
in the league because of injuries. They had injury concerns
coming out of Kansas. Why is everybody denying the truth?
When biggs are hurt early, they're hurt often. And he's
a tremendous player. But as we saw in the Olympics,
he does at times have real problems playing well with others. Yes,
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he's talented. Yes there's some components that make him look
a little like Shack. But in the end, they've always
like denied the injury stuff and once again he no
longer plays in back to backs. Injury issue surface. Where
Colin was right, I said, I thought Jimmy Butler to
the Warriors would happen and should happen. He makes them
more interesting. But I also think there's a physical component
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to his game. He was part of a Warrior's blowout
win over Chicago. Steph Curry talked about his importance and
now Steph said, he's almost the opposite of me, so
it's a good fit.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
I think the idea he's like the exact opposite player
of me, which is kind of funny. Like I'm shooting
sixteen threes, he shout one and got to the free
throw line a lot. He's dominating the pain, him dominating
outside the perimeter, guys working around. This is as a
potential to be really really fun.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
The Warriors needed some juice. Jimmy Butler is absolutely that
where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, and with
that we bring in Matt Hasselback, who was appropriately wearing green. Well,
you know what, I kept pushing back on Sirianni. I
kept saying, Eh, sister, what yelling at fant What do
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you call her on WIP radio? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And you kept that first time long time, and you
just kept saying.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You're wrong calling.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
So let's go back, and you said you learned your lesson.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I did.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
I actually don't know if that's true. I don't know
if that's true. You're saying what you know you need
to say, but I think you still don't understand. I
don't how Nick Sirianni has been so sicks explain it.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You know you're right, explain it to me because it
looks at times so juvenile. And I'm like, cat be
a coach.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But if they love.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
Him, love him, absolutely love him and listen the first
month of the season, people were calling for his head.
Everyone on TV, everyone with a pen and typewriter or whatever,
you know it has a Twitter count. You know they're
calling for his head. But but he kind of reminds
me a big Dom. I was trying to think about
how I could explain this to you, Okay, big Dom,
Everybody outside the buildings, like, man, what's this guy's deal?
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Stay back off the sideline, Like what's your deal? Like
what's with the But like the people there, they would
take a bullet for him, like that's their guy. Anybody
that's been through Philly. My brother played in Philly. I
know a lot of people that played in Philly. They're like, oh,
big Dom, he's the guy. It's kind of the same
thing with Sirianni. Like, I know there's some there's a
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little bit of strife. Sometimes there's there's iron sharpening iron.
Sometimes there's some sparks, But like, no, I think he
is a legitimate, legitimate coach. He's a great leader, and
and I just think he's got his team focused. So
now I'm happy for him. I think he did an
excellent job this year.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So you got to explain this to me and I
and I, and it's easy to dump on Kansas City today.
But as you know, you watch film and you prepare,
and then you get into games and you were in
these games, you're like, oh, hell, we can't block them.
And then over the I always thought Tom was really
good at this because Tom Gonna. There were a lot
of times Tom did not have the best hand and
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super Bowls are conference champing. I always thought those Baltimore
teams had better players, but Tom was really good at
manipulating the offense, like, Okay, I'm just gonna get first downs,
Let's just keep our defense off the field, let's get
to the fourth quarter. Thirty four to nothing is not
a territory Tom was in. And again, I thought Philadelphia
had better players. I said that all week, but it
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didn't feel like to me, Matt, that they adjusted. I
felt like Kansas City was running the same deeper routes
over and over.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I just felt like, Okay, Patrick Shorten, quicker, manipulate cadence,
stuff you talk about. I didn't feel like they had
a second pitch.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Well. I took away one of his superpowers, and it
did remind me a little bit of a Tom Brady
super Bowl. Early on, when it was twenty eighth three,
I'm kind of doing the math. I'm like, all right,
that's twenty five points. You know it's twenty four nothing
here like this could be his Tom Brady twenty eight
to three moment. He's gonna bring him back. They're gonna
go no huddle, They're gonna do something but what Vic
Fangio and Philly did. One of the things that they
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did is they took away his superpower. And what I
mean by that is that, and I mentioned this to
you before the game. One of the things that Patrick
Mahomes is as good as good as anybody at maybe
the best, is redirecting and sliding his protection six man
and seven man protections and finding the blitzers. And they
didn't really blitz. Now, you're gonna hear everybody on TV
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say they never blitzed. That's not true. Go watch the tape.
They blitzed at least three times, but they were zone
replaced fire zone type blitzes. They had Zach Bond blitzing.
They had forty number forty two. I think his name's
blanking on his name right now. But they did blitz.
But what they had him doing is they had him
seeing ghosts at times because it was a three man
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or a four man rush most of the time. It
was an eight people dropping in coverage or seven people
dropping in coverage most of the time, while Kansas City
was committing six people or seven people in protection. So
what happens in a situation like that is you have
your left tackle right tackle, running back in for protection,
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blocking no one and you have all these extra defenders
in the secondary and they were Yes, I agree, they
were able to get home with a d line pass
rush the whole night and it absolutely disrupted him. He
was on edge, and then you saw the turnovers happen,
very uncharacteristic.
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Speaker 1 (27:39):
I was lauding kind of the you know, super Bowls
are different, paralysis by analysis, two weeks to prepare, and
of course he had great protection with the old line,
but he did have an ugly pick. When you watch
Jalen Hurts, I don't think he's going to go down
as one of the great pocket passers of all time.
But you know what, it's not affecting him in Super Bowls.
He's been great in both of them. When you watch
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Jalen Hurts, if you didn't, if you had never heard
commentary and you just watched three or four games of him,
is there something that I don't see that you see
the art of playing a quarterback that he doesn't quite
get the credit he deserves you as a pro quarterback
for eighteen years see it, and I just wouldn't see it.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
He's very steady, never too high, never too low. He
does a lot at the line of scrimmage. They called
two plays. A lot of times he's alerting or killing
or getting out of one play into another. The other
thing is in like their bread and Butter runs with Saquon,
He's got the ball in his hands. Now he's reading
a defender. He's either given it or running it. They
ran him quarterback lead a bunch, But you're right. He
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completed twelve passes past to the line of scrimmage in
the entire game. But they were big passes, most of
them fades a post. But I thought if I were
to give him like sort of like, hey, this is
the thing you do better than anybody else, could be
touch push, Yes, But I think in this in this game,
third quarter, to scramble for sixteen yards, fourteen yards, seventeen yards,
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and then another scramble that ended up as a twenty
two yard completion to sa Kwon Barkley. Those are backbreakers.
Those are like the defense called the perfect defense played
it perfectly, and now the quarterback gets out and just
absolutely like kicks us in the stomach takes our breath away.
And obviously the no critical errors when the quarterback on
the other side turned the ball over three times.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know, again, this is easy for me to do
on a Monday, so I don't want to have recency bias.
But if you go look at Patrick Mahomes five Super Bowls,
he's three and two and his passer ratings in the eighties. Now,
I would think two weeks with Andy Reid would be
such a prohibitive advantage. But when I watched the game,
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my take is maybe I've given him a little bit
too much credit on the pre snap stuff. And in
the end, he's got a style, he plays it, he
had libs and he's not you know, I heard this
year's ago. He's not a film junkie. He's not bad
out of it, but he's not Brady or Breeze where
he's literally staring at that thing three hundred days a year.
Does it? How does it not affect his legacy a
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little bit? Matt, I mean to lose like that in
one of the worst games a quarterback has played in
the Super Bowl? How do I not it sticks to me?
I can't unsee what I saw right.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
Well, one of the best things about football, and you
heard Nick Sirianni and many others talk about it last night,
is it's the ultimate team sport. Like I've played my
entire life, It's an ultimate team sport. And you know,
I'll probably screw the quote up, but he said it
over and over again. The whole team did. It's hard
to be great when there's not greatness around you, or
something to that effect. I don't think the guys around
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Patrick played particularly well. You've got, you know, right off
the top of my head, two of the guys with
the best hands, like maybe in all of this planet,
dropping very easy passes. It has to catch. But clearly
he did not have a great day, and that's sports,
and that happens. But it is a team sport and
so like, yes, the legacy and all that kind of thing,
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but there were moments when he was trying to put
the team on his back. And again I just think,
like pass protection is huge. You think about how Kansas
City eating got here in the first place, beating Buffalo.
Guys stepped up. I'm thinking of that Xavier Worthy catch
when it should have been intercepted and he came down
with it. Guys step up and do something above the
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x's and o's, and you know, the turnovers and then
guys playing like really like we're just beating ourselves. We're
laid off the ball, we're dropping passes, we're having penalties
where it just was, it was just not there night.
I don't know, I don't know what all went into that,
but that was an unrecognizable team to me.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, you know, I don't expect players to be general managers,
but I said Philadelphia was so overpowering on the lines.
It made me think if I was the Commander's GM
or the Cowboys or the Rams or Packers or the
Lions would say, guys, it may change free agency and
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draft opinions in those rooms. Is that when that Seahawk
team was so relentless, you know, you looked around, You're like,
if we gotta play those guys twice, we gotta get
better tackles. And I could be a little over the
top here, but I did feel watching that game. Man,
if I'm if I'm Washington, I may go after Miles Garrett,
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I may go after Tray Smith. Like we're like nine
players away from beating Philadelphia. You tell me, as a player,
did you ever have a team in your division, where
like the guys were like, we need more dudes. This
has to be an aggressive offseason.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
Yeah, no doubt. I mean it's a it's a copycat
league all the way. I mean, my rookie year was
nineteen ninety eight. That was Randy Moss's first year. He
absolutely destroyed the NFC that year, just destroyed us, the
Green Bay Packers. What did we do the next year,
Ray Rhods is the head coach. We drafted a corner
in the first round, the second round and there because
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of Randy Moss. It really didn't lose anybody either. Like
it wasn't like we're like, oh, we got to replace
some people. No, we just added where you've got to
figure this out, and like that absolutely happens. You go
back to the the New York Giants Super Bowl where
they knocked off Tom Brady and the Patriots when they
were undefeated. You got Michael stra and Ocium and you
are a Justin Tuck like they won it with a
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four man rush. The next year, everyone was trying to
do the same thing, like hey, we just need this
amazing four man rush. It makes all the guys in
the back end the back seven look so much better.
And then you think about the other Super Bowl that
Patrick Mahomes lost to Tampa. Copycat league, like, oh shoot,
what's the formula? The formula is protection up front. We're
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going to overinvest in pass protection because that's the name
of the game. So yeah, this is a copycat league
through and through. That's why when when somebody said, you know,
they kind of had this idea like you do not
need to pay a running back, you can go running
back by committee. Everyone kind of went that way. Now,
it'd be interesting to see with the success that Saquon had,
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how are people gonna feel about that? Are we gonna
draft running backs high this year? Are we gonna pay
running backs in free agency? But no, If you look
at what the Philly what Philadelphia Eagles and their defense
did with a four man rush most of the night,
then then Miles Garrett added to a team is like
a no brainer and the beauty of it for him,
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I don't think he needs more money. I think what
he wants is a great organization who will be relevant
in January and has a quarterback that can go out
and help them hoist to Lombardi. That's what he cares
about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
By the way, one final question, not related to the
Super Bowl, we had talked about Aaron Rodgers second NFL team, Packers.
Jets just said, hey, listen, we're gonna move on. I
don't know if he wants to play. That's that's up
to Aaron. If you're Vegas, roll the dice or go.
I mean, if you could do Aaron for a year
or get one of the young college quarterbacks who you
may not see, is an a plus plus. You know, prospect,
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what do you think happens to Aaron if you had
a g yes.
Speaker 9 (35:01):
It won't be Vegas. I don't I don't see I
don't see that for Pete Carroll. I don't see that
for Chip Kelly that I don't see that. I do
see Aaron Rodgers playing football. I don't see him playing
for the Jets, obviously, But there is a team out
there that absolutely would want Aaron Rodgers for a lot
of different reasons. I think it'd be refreshing for him,
rejuvenating for him. You know, who knows. Maybe it could
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be the Tennessee Titans. And you know, some people say,
like Alwa's got a house there, like that doesn't matter
to him. Go get a house like that, just like right,
you know, he could probably Venmo with his account, you know,
for a house. But it's not so much that I
think there's an opportunity to go play in that Joe
Burrow offense with Brian Callahan. Maybe you rub off on
will Levis a little bit and kind of like you know,
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I think he's a kid who has all the tools,
but maybe just needs a little more savvy and tangibles,
maybe a calmness that Aaron Rodgers can bring. And I
think it might be fun. I think it might be
fun for Aaron Rodgers to to just get out of
New York and just play somewhere else. So I don't know,
I'm pitball in here, but that feels right to me.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Well, you were right. We have a new segment where
Matt was right and Colin was wrong, and you just
watched it for twenty minutes.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
Twice a day like a broke like a broken clock.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Hey, you've been great all season. We'll hear from you
multiple times off season. Good seeing you Matt as.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Well, Thank you had fun man, Thank you all right,
he's been.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Great for us all year. Yeah, I think Nashville, he's
got a house in Nashville. I think that's the one
that you may have mentioned this, that one feels right.
Offensive coach got a place in Nashville. You know that
division is literally on an annual basis completely up for grabs.
That's a good point. How do you think Will Levice
would take I don't think. Lets me say, who cares?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
But they don't they have a pretty decent pick in
the draft.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Well, here's my take. You take Aaron for a year
or two, you move off that number one pick, accumulate
all sorts of picks, build your roster with five extra
draft picks, and then next year, which is the year
for much better quarterbacks, go get it. Oh, get Ailey
Leonard in the third round or something. I just think
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when you have that first pick. My theory on draft
drafting in the NFL always trade down if you have
the number one pick unless there's a transformational quarterback, And
in most issues we find that the second or third
quarterback taken is the best quarterback.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Do you think kim Ward is transformational?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
No, and I don't. I like Chader more than him,
but I don't think he's transformational leader. I think they're
both capable of being franchise quarterbacks. But my take is
bringing Aaron for a year, he'll be home, he'll be happier,
he'll be out of New York, and just trade down
your pick and fill the roster out.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
So Hasselbeck mentioned Rogers in Tennessee, and I'm thinking, like,
if I'm Brian Callahan, I've worked my entire career as.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
A coach to get to be a head coach.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
I see will levitce for a year, he vomits all
over himself.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
He's not the guy.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Do I want to go with Aaron Rodgers in year
two when if it goes sideways, there's a decent chance
on fire.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
That was my shot.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I would rather reboot with a new quarterback, right, just
because like it's gonna give me a longer runway, right,
Kim Moore doesn't is it a phenomenal as a rookie?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Hey, let's see what we saw some growth many year two. Well,
there was also a feeling, fair or not that Aaron
Rodgers got rid of McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers didn't help SLA.
So if you're Callahan, to your point, you're like, listen,
just just selfishly for my career project, you know, ascension.
Aaron's not good for coaches.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
How about Brian Dable in New York Giants, they don't
have I mean I think they're city. Yeah, they're not
gonna get one of the top two quarterbacks unless you
door slides. If Stafford thing doesn't materialize, Dable's like, who
does he have? What's the game plan? Dable's gonna get
run out of town. You know that if they don't
win this season.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Oh no, there's no question.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
He has to get a quarterback. And like it was
justin fields, is it Russell Wilson? They did kick the
tires on Russell Wilson. I think they met him, been
an airport for coffee when he when he was eligible
before he went to the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
So it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Now we got quarterback controversy this off season.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Monday, the day after
the Super Bowl live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day, Jamax. By
any standards, this was not one of the more memorable
Super Bowls unless your favorite color is green. Unless you're
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the Philadelphia Eagles. I know you love the Eagles. That
is totally understand you, baby. Who damn well, there are
a lot of angle on this. I will say this,
it's the only Super Bowl I've ever watched where there
were four MVP's minimum. Howie Roseman, the general manager, Vic Fangio,
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the defensive coordinator, Jalen Hurts, the quarterback who won it
for the Eagles, and the entire defensive line it was
so dominating. It has to have a ripple effect on
the Dallas Cowboys and the Niners and the Rams and
the Packers and how they draft. Does it not, like,
how do you block that? I mean, it was really
really good during the regular season. What was that? I mean,
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we taught quarterbacks all the time on the show, Yet
Philly humiliated Patrick Mahomes. They could not block the Eagles.
I mean, Saquon Barkley was almost irrelevant. The tush push
was his most activity. The d line, the total defense.
It makes Nick Sirianni this morning look like Belichick. Philadelphia's
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GM has and uses all the levers, drafting, trading, free agency,
and it's a relentless pursuit of excellence. Very good is
not good enough. Look at their two picks. One is
a rookie, another one is a transformed special teams player.
That is so Howie Roseman. Look at the touchdown passes.
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One's a Heisman winner, one AJ Brown comes via a
massive trade. The only roster I've seen like this in
the last fifteen to twenty years was that Seahawk roster
when they had a similar quarterback, the elusive Russell Wilson
on the rookie contract. And remember we've seen this before.
That Seahawk defense harassed and humiliated another legend, Peyton Manning.
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That's what we watched yesterday. That was the lowest point
for Peyton Manning in his career. Well, yesterday, Mahomes was awful.
I mean, there's no shame losing to a great team.
But if you look at the box score, that's the
most deceiving box score outside of the turnovers I've ever
seen for a quarterback. It says Patrick Mahomes twenty one
to thirty two in a passer rating of ninety five.
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That is junk points, junk yards, and junk completions. He
had one first down in the first half on the
first play, and what was most disappointing is that he
never seemed to sort of manipulate the game. But let's
just talk about Philadelphia here. They had more penalty yards
than Kansas City than actual yards in the first half.
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Think about that. The Eagles had more points in the
first half than Kansas City actually had yards. It was
Peyton Manning facing that Seahawk defense. And we last week
we said, I think this Philadelphia roster is the best
since that Seahawks roster, and man, did we say it
on display? Now maybe it was in verse where Seattle.
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You remember that Seahawk team, the big win. They're gonna
do too than they And I don't know in what
Philadelphia is gonna go, but I just watched a flurry,
a defensive line, rookie corners, a game plan, and Mahomes
was completely out of sorts. I mean, Philadelphia, this is
what we thought they could be at their best. But
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throughout the course of the season, I can remember in
week eight, nine, ten to eleven, we're like, there are quarters,
They're amazing. But remember early in the year they couldn't
score in the first quarter. Remember early in the year,
we're like, man, they have drives, how do they ever punt?
But you'd get like two drives a game. They put
it all together last night, the GM, the DC, the quarterback,
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the old line, the D line. They didn't even need
sa Kwan Barkley. And here was the young head coach
after this is the ultimate team game.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
You can't be great without the greatness of others. And
we uh great performance by everybody offense, defense, special teams.
Howie getting us the guys, our coaching staff, these great players,
We didn't really ever what anyone thought about how we
won or their opinions.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
All we want to do is win. So let's talk
Patrick Mahomes for the record, He's now just three and
two in Super Bowls and Tom Brady lost three of
them by a total combined fifteen points. Patrick Mahomes has
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lost two and the point differential is minus forty and
he has trailed in all five Super Bowls. And what
really disappointed me he never manipulated the game. He got
rattled and frustrated, taken out of his game and had
no second pitch. Tom Brady always found ways, even when
he had the second best roster in a Super Bowl,
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he found ways at the line of scrimmage to manipulate
a defense, move the chains at least be viable in
field position. Anybody can win. Let's be honest. With a
full house or pocket a can you win when you
got a pair of sevens? And I felt multiple times
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in AFC Championships or Super Bowls that Brady actually had
the second best roster and had to massage it and
manipulate it and move the chains with his pre snap excellence.
With Mahomes two weeks to prepare with Andy Reid. It
feels like they had no second pitch. And his special
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secret power has always been his legs, and once Philadelphia
took that away, there was nothing else there. I don't
remember Tom ever trailing thirty four to zero in any game.
And in the one Super Bowl where Brady was getting
rolled twenty eight to three, he came back to win again.
Brady had bad plays, bad quarters, a bad half, bad moments.
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This was just awful. In fact, Brady's biggest Super Bowl
loss was that one possession game to the Eagles in
which they never punted. Before we get into that silly
goat conversation, know that Brady's superpower was the ability when
he had the second best roster, and we never thought,
I mean, New England constantly do your job. It's about
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the team. They moved off really good players. They didn't
have a stacked roster. The Randy Moss team felt a
little stacked offensively and they never won a ring. But
the early Brady, in the late Brady, in the Tampa
Brady was about manipulation, line of scrimmage, moving the chains.
Often when you had an offensive line that was struggling
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or under duress or was being overwhelmed. Two weeks with
Andy Reid, I didn't even feel like I got a
second pitch. You don't always get a full house. Brady
has never been that bad in a big game, And
at least when he struggled and he had picked sixes
in Super Bowls, you felt there was a sense he
was getting the most out of his roster. If you
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look at the clear stats now of Mahomes and Brady
in Super Bowls, Let's be totally honest about this. Brady
is elite. Patrick's passer rating is mid eighties. That's what
it is. Eighty six point nine, ten touchdowns, seven picks.
That's with two weeks to prepare. And that's with Andy Reid.
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And again nobody's denying. Philadelphia is stacked. Go ask Peyton
Manning about that Seattle defense. But what's interesting is Brady
faced that Seattle defense too, and he just kept manipulating
and manipulating and manipulating, and he trailed and he was behind,
and it looked like trouble. But Brady found a way
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to just get first downs, eat the clock, find your
little weaknesses, the tiny little crevices. Against the Seahawks, all
Brady had was a pair of seven against him. That's
all he had. And he just put his team in
a position to win. Yes, yes, yes he had to
rely on Malcolm Butler, but he put his team in
position to win. Mahomes couldn't put his team in position
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to become competitive. I mean, I felt like I was
watching the same play over and over and over thirty
four nothing, And I never felt like that with Brady.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Here's Mahomes after That's the beauty of football is that
you never can be satisfied with just coming out there
and playing and thinking you're gonna have success year in
and year out. These defenses are going to continue to
get better and better, and so I have to get better,
and so I take a lot of ownership in that
and I want to hopefully come back and play better football.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You know, it's interesting because I had Tom Brady on
my show Friday in New Orleans and we broke this
very subject. And it's interesting because you know, we all
know this is there are very few great rosters in
the NFL now because of salary cap. You can't do
the Pittsburgh Steelers in the mid seventies, like, you just
can't do that. It's hard to do the Joe Montana,
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Bill Walsh forty nine ers where you're like, I don't
think they have any weaknesses. That's why what the Seahawks
did for that brief time on Russell Wilson's rookie contract,
You're like, this is insane. Or like when brock Per
his first year when San Francisco didn't have to pay
him because he was a seventh round quarterback, and you're like,
this isn't fair. Yes, Philadelphia's roster is great, and had
they won this, I get it. But there is the
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art of quarterback. It's not all legs and arms. And
Brady talked about this. Tom Brady talked about this Friday
on the show.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
My last year, in my last super Bowl was a
part of I was two weeks to watching film Friday night.
I was just going through the film more. I knew
Kansas City's defense better than they knew themselves. I had
the answers to the test. That's where I was great.
That's where my magic superpower was. It wasn't how fast
I could run, it was how fast I could diagnose
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what they were doing. What's the special quality? What's the
internet speed of me as a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Fast as Yes, he was Starlink before Starlink, and that's
what disappointed me. It's not losing. There is no shame
in losing to Philadelphia. J Mack kept telling me all
week that defensive lines trouble, and I kept thinking, Joe
Toney and Creat Humphreys, they'll be fine. It's Mahomes, it's
Andy Alpha buy But I you know, and this is
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not to just dump on Mahomes, but he's gotten a
lot of praise for years, but watching that game made
me realize how great Brady was. Peyton Manning was completely
undone by the Seahawks. Brady beat him. Mahomes was completely
undone by the Eagles defense. Now Brady found ways to
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beat a Seahawks team Manning great, Mahomes great, That's that's Brady.
A lot of you guys play poker. You can't just
win when you have the best hand. It is about
constantly bluffing and manipulating and trying to marginalize their best
and elevate yours. And I came out out of that
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game thinking, did we ever get how good Tom was?
And I'm not saying listen, I'm not saying that because
he works for the company, But boy, when you watch
that game. I felt like Kansas City had the same
play and they run it twenty eight times. It is
what you do before the ball is snapped. It can't
just be that's cfr left tackle can block him this time.
The answers no for three and a half hours. J Man,
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good stuff. Congratulations you kept You know, over the course
of a season, we go about fifty to fifty. I'm
yelling at you and you're yelling at me. But I
could acknowledge yesterday by about the second drive that early
that well, you know, it's funny. There were parts of
that game and I forget if it was like seventeen
nothing and I'm like, it feels like it's thirty eight nothing,
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and then all of a sudden, the damn breaks. Like
I thought, Kansas City's defense did all it could considering
they were it was three out, three and out, three
and out, and Kansas City's defense is essentially really for
a half, maybe maybe half and half a quarter, like
they were really doing as good as you could do.
But Philadelphia felt like their stuff was mostly working, and
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when it didn't the next play did they just they
There is something to be said. I know it's not
just talent, But there is something to be said that
if I have overwhelming talent and I'm smartly coached and
smartly quarterback, it's hard to beat there.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
I saw a joke that you know, Serena Williams participated
in the half times he did some dance and I
saw stat that she had more yards than that she's
had in the first half during the halftime show. I mean, Colin,
I know we joke about seeing ghosts in the pocket.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
You know.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
I remember the samtarld with the Jets. It felt like
Mahomes did not know what was going on. He was
anticipating pressure on a blitz and the Eagles never blitzed
all night, didn't want blitz once they were getting home
before and he looked totally rattled. I've never seen him
that bad. The Super Bowl against the Bucks. He was
under pressure running for his life.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That he lost a left tackle late in the season
and I almost gave him a pass on that one.
This is two weeks Philadelphia. By the way, this Philadelphia
team lost to Kirk Cousins early in the year. I mean,
if you go back to this Philadelphia team, what's interesting
and this is why football is so great and baseball
has this too. Be very careful about September and October
judging this Philadelphia team could not score in the first
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quarter for like the it felt like the first until
Thanksgiving and we couldn't figure it out. We're like, how,
But it takes time to figure out what you can do.
And a lot of this goes to Jalen Hurts and
I want to talk about that coming up live in
Los Angeles, It's the Herd.
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Speaker 1 (14:38):
Here we go hour two and a Monday, a lot
of green, feeling good today live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac,
you and Man Hasselback. He'll be on in three minutes.
We're right, Yes, you love Philadelphia. In fact, you on
your Fox sports dot Com column said the Eagles d
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line will be the difference in the game, and two
series in it was really obvious it was the difference
in the game.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
I was holding off texting you because I know you
have to console Nick.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Tough time for him and his Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
But this was as dominating in Super Bowl as you've
seen in a while.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Colin last three years were all close games.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This is bloosity.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Well you know something though, and I said this for
years when the SEC dominated college football. I said, I
always root for people who deeply care about stuff, and
I do think how much do you care correlates with
how happy I am, at least for me. And Philadelphia
cares so deeply about sports and Philadelphia Eagle football they're
(15:42):
like a collegiate team. I mean they're callers on radio stations.
They complain after winning. And there's a soft spot in
my heart for people. If you love what you do
and you do put more time in it and you
are better at it, I got no problem. I got Philadelphia.
It's good for the league. Good luck and the Cowboys,
Giants and Commanders because that D line is is a
(16:05):
lot of those guys are young. Yeah, I mean that
the Corners rookies bond.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
By the way, Josh Sweat, I think two and a
half sacks last night. He's a free agent this offseason.
He's gonna get paid by somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Good times all right, Where Colin was right. Where Colin
was wrong on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Where Colin was right, well, I spent a.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Lot of time talking about general managers in the NFL
and how undervalued they are. Howie Roseman been on that
train for years. I think the executive suite is the
difference with the Lions roster, and the difference between Kansas
City and Buffalo, and the difference with Philadelphia. The bottom line,
the gap in this league is not just coaches and quarterbacks,
(16:45):
it's upstairs. Some teams don't know what they're doing. The
Eagles always do take big swings, are very willing to
roll the dice, and it has paid off clearly.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Although his temperament and I think he's a great kid,
I've never really put Jalen Hurts in the top six
or seven quarterbacks because I don't think he's a great
pocket thrower. But maybe it's time to reevaluate processing, univier, toughness, push, push.
What he does continually is play really really good football
(17:21):
in the biggest moments. A lot of guys shrink. He elevates.
I was wrong on Jalen.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Hurts where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I didn't put Travis Kelcey in my top ten players
for the Super Bowl. It does feel like it's time.
He had two catchable balls, didn't produce. He did have
his turnback the clock game against Houston, didn't do anything
in the last two even the suit he war. I
don't know, just felt a little midlife crisis whatever. I
(17:50):
don't know, but it does feel like we're seeing we're
seeing a tank that doesn't have a lot left in it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You know, I thought the rookie cornerbacks for the Eagles
could be a liability, but boy today Deliver who knew
that Toledo in Iowa is where great cornerbacks live, fast, sticky, smart, physical,
Cooper de gene quinnyon Mitchell just outstanding. And what was
(18:22):
really interesting if you watch the highlights is how often
they could stay with Kansas City's receivers all the way
down the field. This wasn't just about pressure. Mahomes did
on occasion roll out and looked and by time and
nobody was still open.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Aaron Rodgers dumped by the Packers and now dumped by
the Jets. Am I surprised they did it? Yes, but
I have said for years people close to Aaron who
are played with him, he can be moody. You're never
quite sure what you get in the building day to day.
And right now he's probably thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteen best quarterback
(19:03):
in the league. And he's a little expensive for that.
And he is not despite what a handful of friends say,
he's not a great unifier. He flew to New York,
according to Jay Glazer, thinking he was going to be
the quarterback, and the second NFL franchise said we're gonna
move on where Colin was, right Deebo Samuel, everybody laments
(19:26):
the future of running backs. I believe a quarterback's best
friend is an a line and a run game, not
a needy wide receiver. I like Debo, he's a good player,
but it's kind of become a cliche now, the receiver
that needs touches and attention. In the end, running backs don't.
Their careers are shorter. It's almost like they're more appreciative
(19:46):
a Deebo Samuel. Once they drafted Ricky Pearsall felt like
he was no longer part of the San Francisco forty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Ers future where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
He has way wrong on Nick siri on he never
loved his methodology and yelling at fans and confrontations on
the bench. But you know what, two super bowls in
three years he feels You know what, can I say?
The team likes him, the city likes him, the coaches
like him. Yeah, he's a little bit emotional. Well so
was Bill Parcells. I made a mistake of thinking that
(20:18):
everybody coaches the same, and they don't. You know, there's
creative guys like Andy Reid, there's more rigid guys like
Bill Belichick. There's more emotional guys like Dan Campbell and
Nick Sirianni, and then there's more stoic guys throughout the league.
So everybody coaches different and I have learned.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
My lesson where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Huh, Joe l Embiid might need another knee surgery. I've
never understood Embiid. He didn't play his first two years
in the league because of injuries. They had injury concerns
coming out of Kansas. Why is everybody denying the truth?
When biggs are hurt early, they're hurt often. And he's
a tremendous player. But as we saw in the Olympics,
he does at times have real problems playing well with others. Yes,
(21:01):
he's talented. Yes there's some components that make him look
a little like Shack. But in the end, they've always
like denied the injury stuff and once again he no
longer plays in back to backs. Injury issue surface. Where
Colin was right, I said, I thought Jimmy Butler to
the Warriors would happen and should happen. He makes them
more interesting. But I also think there's a physical component
(21:24):
to his game. He was part of a Warrior's blowout
win over Chicago. Steph Curry talked about his importance and
now Steph said, he's almost the opposite of me, so
it's a good fit.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
I think the idea he's like the exact opposite player
of me, which is kind of funny. Like I'm shooting
sixteen threes, he shout one and got to the free
throw line a lot. He's dominating the pain, him dominating
outside the perimeter, guys working around. This is as a
potential to be really really fun.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
The Warriors needed some juice. Jimmy Butler is absolutely that
where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, and with
that we bring in Matt Hasselback, who was appropriately wearing green. Well,
you know what, I kept pushing back on Sirianni. I
kept saying, Eh, sister, what yelling at fant What do
(22:15):
you call her on WIP radio? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And you kept that first time long time, and you
just kept saying.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You're wrong calling.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
So let's go back, and you said you learned your lesson.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I did.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
I actually don't know if that's true. I don't know
if that's true. You're saying what you know you need
to say, but I think you still don't understand. I
don't how Nick Sirianni has been so sicks explain it.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You know you're right, explain it to me because it
looks at times so juvenile. And I'm like, cat be
a coach.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But if they love.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
Him, love him, absolutely love him and listen the first
month of the season, people were calling for his head.
Everyone on TV, everyone with a pen and typewriter or whatever,
you know it has a Twitter count. You know they're
calling for his head. But but he kind of reminds
me a big Dom. I was trying to think about
how I could explain this to you, Okay, big Dom,
Everybody outside the buildings, like, man, what's this guy's deal?
(23:11):
Stay back off the sideline, Like what's your deal? Like
what's with the But like the people there, they would
take a bullet for him, like that's their guy. Anybody
that's been through Philly. My brother played in Philly. I
know a lot of people that played in Philly. They're like, oh,
big Dom, he's the guy. It's kind of the same
thing with Sirianni. Like, I know there's some there's a
(23:31):
little bit of strife. Sometimes there's there's iron sharpening iron.
Sometimes there's some sparks, But like, no, I think he
is a legitimate, legitimate coach. He's a great leader, and
and I just think he's got his team focused. So
now I'm happy for him. I think he did an
excellent job this year.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So you got to explain this to me and I
and I, and it's easy to dump on Kansas City today.
But as you know, you watch film and you prepare,
and then you get into games and you were in
these games, you're like, oh, hell, we can't block them.
And then over the I always thought Tom was really
good at this because Tom Gonna. There were a lot
of times Tom did not have the best hand and
(24:10):
super Bowls are conference champing. I always thought those Baltimore
teams had better players, but Tom was really good at
manipulating the offense, like, Okay, I'm just gonna get first downs,
Let's just keep our defense off the field, let's get
to the fourth quarter. Thirty four to nothing is not
a territory Tom was in. And again, I thought Philadelphia
had better players. I said that all week, but it
(24:32):
didn't feel like to me, Matt, that they adjusted. I
felt like Kansas City was running the same deeper routes
over and over.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I just felt like, Okay, Patrick Shorten, quicker, manipulate cadence,
stuff you talk about. I didn't feel like they had
a second pitch.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Well. I took away one of his superpowers, and it
did remind me a little bit of a Tom Brady
super Bowl. Early on, when it was twenty eighth three,
I'm kind of doing the math. I'm like, all right,
that's twenty five points. You know it's twenty four nothing
here like this could be his Tom Brady twenty eight
to three moment. He's gonna bring him back. They're gonna
go no huddle, They're gonna do something but what Vic
Fangio and Philly did. One of the things that they
(25:15):
did is they took away his superpower. And what I
mean by that is that, and I mentioned this to
you before the game. One of the things that Patrick
Mahomes is as good as good as anybody at maybe
the best, is redirecting and sliding his protection six man
and seven man protections and finding the blitzers. And they
didn't really blitz. Now, you're gonna hear everybody on TV
(25:37):
say they never blitzed. That's not true. Go watch the tape.
They blitzed at least three times, but they were zone
replaced fire zone type blitzes. They had Zach Bond blitzing.
They had forty number forty two. I think his name's
blanking on his name right now. But they did blitz.
But what they had him doing is they had him
seeing ghosts at times because it was a three man
(25:58):
or a four man rush most of the time. It
was an eight people dropping in coverage or seven people
dropping in coverage most of the time, while Kansas City
was committing six people or seven people in protection. So
what happens in a situation like that is you have
your left tackle right tackle, running back in for protection,
(26:18):
blocking no one and you have all these extra defenders
in the secondary and they were Yes, I agree, they
were able to get home with a d line pass
rush the whole night and it absolutely disrupted him. He
was on edge, and then you saw the turnovers happen,
very uncharacteristic.
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Speaker 1 (27:39):
I was lauding kind of the you know, super Bowls
are different, paralysis by analysis, two weeks to prepare, and
of course he had great protection with the old line,
but he did have an ugly pick. When you watch
Jalen Hurts, I don't think he's going to go down
as one of the great pocket passers of all time.
But you know what, it's not affecting him in Super Bowls.
He's been great in both of them. When you watch
(28:01):
Jalen Hurts, if you didn't, if you had never heard
commentary and you just watched three or four games of him,
is there something that I don't see that you see
the art of playing a quarterback that he doesn't quite
get the credit he deserves you as a pro quarterback
for eighteen years see it, and I just wouldn't see it.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
He's very steady, never too high, never too low. He
does a lot at the line of scrimmage. They called
two plays. A lot of times he's alerting or killing
or getting out of one play into another. The other
thing is in like their bread and Butter runs with Saquon,
He's got the ball in his hands. Now he's reading
a defender. He's either given it or running it. They
ran him quarterback lead a bunch, But you're right. He
(28:41):
completed twelve passes past to the line of scrimmage in
the entire game. But they were big passes, most of
them fades a post. But I thought if I were
to give him like sort of like, hey, this is
the thing you do better than anybody else, could be
touch push, Yes, But I think in this in this game,
third quarter, to scramble for sixteen yards, fourteen yards, seventeen yards,
(29:03):
and then another scramble that ended up as a twenty
two yard completion to sa Kwon Barkley. Those are backbreakers.
Those are like the defense called the perfect defense played
it perfectly, and now the quarterback gets out and just
absolutely like kicks us in the stomach takes our breath away.
And obviously the no critical errors when the quarterback on
the other side turned the ball over three times.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know, again, this is easy for me to do
on a Monday, so I don't want to have recency bias.
But if you go look at Patrick Mahomes five Super Bowls,
he's three and two and his passer ratings in the eighties. Now,
I would think two weeks with Andy Reid would be
such a prohibitive advantage. But when I watched the game,
(29:47):
my take is maybe I've given him a little bit
too much credit on the pre snap stuff. And in
the end, he's got a style, he plays it, he
had libs and he's not you know, I heard this
year's ago. He's not a film junkie. He's not bad
out of it, but he's not Brady or Breeze where
he's literally staring at that thing three hundred days a year.
Does it? How does it not affect his legacy a
(30:09):
little bit? Matt, I mean to lose like that in
one of the worst games a quarterback has played in
the Super Bowl? How do I not it sticks to me?
I can't unsee what I saw right.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
Well, one of the best things about football, and you
heard Nick Sirianni and many others talk about it last night,
is it's the ultimate team sport. Like I've played my
entire life, It's an ultimate team sport. And you know,
I'll probably screw the quote up, but he said it
over and over again. The whole team did. It's hard
to be great when there's not greatness around you, or
something to that effect. I don't think the guys around
(30:42):
Patrick played particularly well. You've got, you know, right off
the top of my head, two of the guys with
the best hands, like maybe in all of this planet,
dropping very easy passes. It has to catch. But clearly
he did not have a great day, and that's sports,
and that happens. But it is a team sport and
so like, yes, the legacy and all that kind of thing,
(31:03):
but there were moments when he was trying to put
the team on his back. And again I just think,
like pass protection is huge. You think about how Kansas
City eating got here in the first place, beating Buffalo.
Guys stepped up. I'm thinking of that Xavier Worthy catch
when it should have been intercepted and he came down
with it. Guys step up and do something above the
(31:23):
x's and o's, and you know, the turnovers and then
guys playing like really like we're just beating ourselves. We're
laid off the ball, we're dropping passes, we're having penalties
where it just was, it was just not there night.
I don't know, I don't know what all went into that,
but that was an unrecognizable team to me.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, you know, I don't expect players to be general managers,
but I said Philadelphia was so overpowering on the lines.
It made me think if I was the Commander's GM
or the Cowboys or the Rams or Packers or the
Lions would say, guys, it may change free agency and
(32:03):
draft opinions in those rooms. Is that when that Seahawk
team was so relentless, you know, you looked around, You're like,
if we gotta play those guys twice, we gotta get
better tackles. And I could be a little over the
top here, but I did feel watching that game. Man,
if I'm if I'm Washington, I may go after Miles Garrett,
(32:25):
I may go after Tray Smith. Like we're like nine
players away from beating Philadelphia. You tell me, as a player,
did you ever have a team in your division, where
like the guys were like, we need more dudes. This
has to be an aggressive offseason.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
Yeah, no doubt. I mean it's a it's a copycat
league all the way. I mean, my rookie year was
nineteen ninety eight. That was Randy Moss's first year. He
absolutely destroyed the NFC that year, just destroyed us, the
Green Bay Packers. What did we do the next year,
Ray Rhods is the head coach. We drafted a corner
in the first round, the second round and there because
(33:01):
of Randy Moss. It really didn't lose anybody either. Like
it wasn't like we're like, oh, we got to replace
some people. No, we just added where you've got to
figure this out, and like that absolutely happens. You go
back to the the New York Giants Super Bowl where
they knocked off Tom Brady and the Patriots when they
were undefeated. You got Michael stra and Ocium and you
are a Justin Tuck like they won it with a
(33:21):
four man rush. The next year, everyone was trying to
do the same thing, like hey, we just need this
amazing four man rush. It makes all the guys in
the back end the back seven look so much better.
And then you think about the other Super Bowl that
Patrick Mahomes lost to Tampa. Copycat league, like, oh shoot,
what's the formula? The formula is protection up front. We're
(33:42):
going to overinvest in pass protection because that's the name
of the game. So yeah, this is a copycat league
through and through. That's why when when somebody said, you know,
they kind of had this idea like you do not
need to pay a running back, you can go running
back by committee. Everyone kind of went that way. Now,
it'd be interesting to see with the success that Saquon had,
(34:02):
how are people gonna feel about that? Are we gonna
draft running backs high this year? Are we gonna pay
running backs in free agency? But no, If you look
at what the Philly what Philadelphia Eagles and their defense
did with a four man rush most of the night,
then then Miles Garrett added to a team is like
a no brainer and the beauty of it for him,
(34:23):
I don't think he needs more money. I think what
he wants is a great organization who will be relevant
in January and has a quarterback that can go out
and help them hoist to Lombardi. That's what he cares
about Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
By the way, one final question, not related to the
Super Bowl, we had talked about Aaron Rodgers second NFL team, Packers.
Jets just said, hey, listen, we're gonna move on. I
don't know if he wants to play. That's that's up
to Aaron. If you're Vegas, roll the dice or go.
I mean, if you could do Aaron for a year
or get one of the young college quarterbacks who you
may not see, is an a plus plus. You know, prospect,
(34:58):
what do you think happens to Aaron if you had
a g yes.
Speaker 9 (35:01):
It won't be Vegas. I don't I don't see I
don't see that for Pete Carroll. I don't see that
for Chip Kelly that I don't see that. I do
see Aaron Rodgers playing football. I don't see him playing
for the Jets, obviously, But there is a team out
there that absolutely would want Aaron Rodgers for a lot
of different reasons. I think it'd be refreshing for him,
rejuvenating for him. You know, who knows. Maybe it could
(35:23):
be the Tennessee Titans. And you know, some people say,
like Alwa's got a house there, like that doesn't matter
to him. Go get a house like that, just like right,
you know, he could probably Venmo with his account, you know,
for a house. But it's not so much that I
think there's an opportunity to go play in that Joe
Burrow offense with Brian Callahan. Maybe you rub off on
will Levis a little bit and kind of like you know,
(35:43):
I think he's a kid who has all the tools,
but maybe just needs a little more savvy and tangibles,
maybe a calmness that Aaron Rodgers can bring. And I
think it might be fun. I think it might be
fun for Aaron Rodgers to to just get out of
New York and just play somewhere else. So I don't know,
I'm pitball in here, but that feels right to me.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Well, you were right. We have a new segment where
Matt was right and Colin was wrong, and you just
watched it for twenty minutes.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
Twice a day like a broke like a broken clock.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Hey, you've been great all season. We'll hear from you
multiple times off season. Good seeing you Matt as.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Well, Thank you had fun man, Thank you all right,
he's been.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Great for us all year. Yeah, I think Nashville, he's
got a house in Nashville. I think that's the one
that you may have mentioned this, that one feels right.
Offensive coach got a place in Nashville. You know that
division is literally on an annual basis completely up for grabs.
That's a good point. How do you think Will Levice
would take I don't think. Lets me say, who cares?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
But they don't they have a pretty decent pick in
the draft.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Well, here's my take. You take Aaron for a year
or two, you move off that number one pick, accumulate
all sorts of picks, build your roster with five extra
draft picks, and then next year, which is the year
for much better quarterbacks, go get it. Oh, get Ailey
Leonard in the third round or something. I just think
(37:03):
when you have that first pick. My theory on draft
drafting in the NFL always trade down if you have
the number one pick unless there's a transformational quarterback, And
in most issues we find that the second or third
quarterback taken is the best quarterback.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Do you think kim Ward is transformational?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
No, and I don't. I like Chader more than him,
but I don't think he's transformational leader. I think they're
both capable of being franchise quarterbacks. But my take is
bringing Aaron for a year, he'll be home, he'll be happier,
he'll be out of New York, and just trade down
your pick and fill the roster out.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
So Hasselbeck mentioned Rogers in Tennessee, and I'm thinking, like,
if I'm Brian Callahan, I've worked my entire career as.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
A coach to get to be a head coach.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
I see will levitce for a year, he vomits all
over himself.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
He's not the guy.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Do I want to go with Aaron Rodgers in year
two when if it goes sideways, there's a decent chance
on fire.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
That was my shot.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I would rather reboot with a new quarterback, right, just
because like it's gonna give me a longer runway, right,
Kim Moore doesn't is it a phenomenal as a rookie?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Hey, let's see what we saw some growth many year two. Well,
there was also a feeling, fair or not that Aaron
Rodgers got rid of McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers didn't help SLA.
So if you're Callahan, to your point, you're like, listen,
just just selfishly for my career project, you know, ascension.
Aaron's not good for coaches.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
How about Brian Dable in New York Giants, they don't
have I mean I think they're city. Yeah, they're not
gonna get one of the top two quarterbacks unless you
door slides. If Stafford thing doesn't materialize, Dable's like, who
does he have? What's the game plan? Dable's gonna get
run out of town. You know that if they don't
win this season.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Oh no, there's no question.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
He has to get a quarterback. And like it was
justin fields, is it Russell Wilson? They did kick the
tires on Russell Wilson. I think they met him, been
an airport for coffee when he when he was eligible
before he went to the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
So it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Now we got quarterback controversy this off season.
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