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us part of your day. Jmac, You and Man Hasselbeck.
He'll be on in three minutes. We're right, Yes, you
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love Philadelphia. In fact, you on your Fox Sports dot
Com column said the Eagles D line will be the
difference in the game and two series in it was
really obvious it was the difference in the game.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I was holding off texting you because I know you
have to console Nick. Tough time for him in his seat.
But this was as dominating in Super bowls you've seen
in a wild column.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Last three years were all close games. This is bloosity.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Well you know something though, and I said this for
years when the SEC dominated college football. I said, I
always root for people who deeply care about stuff, and
I do think how much do you care correlates with
how happy I am, at least for me. And Philadelphia
cares so deeply about sports and Philadelphia Eagle football they're
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like a collegiate team. I mean, they're callers on radio stations.
They complain after winning. And there's a soft spot in
my heart for people. If you love what you do
and you do put more time in it and you
are better at it, I got no problem. I got Philadelphia.
It's good for the league. Good luck being the Cowboys,
Giants and Commanders because that D line is is a
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lot of those guys are young. Yeah, I mean that
the Corners rookies bond.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
By the way, Josh Sweat, I think two and a
half sacks last night. He's a free agent this offseason.
He's gonna get paid by somebody.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Good times all right.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Where Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong on a Monday.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Where Colin was right, Well.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I spend a lot of time talking about general managers
in the NFL and how undervalued they are. Howie Roseman
been on that train for years. I think the executive suite.
Is the difference with the Lions roster, and the difference
between Kansas City and Buffalo, and the difference with Philadelphia.
The bottom line, the gap in this league is not
just coaches and quarterbacks, it's upstairs. Some teams don't know
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what they're doing. The Eagles always do take big swings,
are very willing to roll the dice, and it has
paid off clearly.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Although I love his temperament and I think he's a
great kid, I've never really put Jalen Hurts in the
top six or seven quarterbacks because I don't think he's
a great pocket thrower. But maybe it's time to reevaluate processing, Univier, toughness, push, push.
What he does continually is play really really good football
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in the biggest moments. A lot of guys shrink. He elevates.
I was wrong on.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Jalen Hurts where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I didn't put Travis Kelcey in my top ten players
for the Super Bowl. It does feel like it's time.
He had two catchable balls, didn't produce. He did have
his turnback the clock game against Houston, didn't do anything
in the last two even the suit he war I
don't know, just felt a little midlife crisis whatever. I
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don't know, but it does feel like we're seeing we're
seeing a tank that doesn't have a lot left in it.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know, I thought the rookie cornerbacks for the Eagles
could be a liability. But boy today Deliver who knew
that Toledo in Iowa is where great cornerbacks live, fast, sticky, smart, physical,
Cooper de jen quinnyon Mitchell just outstanding. And what was
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really interesting if you watch the highlights is how often
they could stay with Kansas City's receivers all the way
down the field. This wasn't just about pressure. Mahomes did
on occasion roll out and looked and by time and
nobody was still open.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Aaron Rodgers dumped by the Packers and now dumped by
the Jets. Am I surprised they did it?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
But I have said for years people close to Aaron
who are played with him, he can be moody. You're
never quite sure what you get in the building day
to day. And right now he's probably thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteen
best quarterback in the league and he's a little expensive
for that, and he is not despite what a handful
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of friends say. He's not a great Uni fire. He
flew to New York, according to Jay Glazer, thinking he
was going to be the quarterback, and the second NFL
franchise said, we're gonna move on where Colin was right,
Deebo Samuel, everybody laments the future of running backs. I
believe a quarterback's best friend is an a line and
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a run game, not a needy wide receiver. I like Debo,
he's a good player, but it's kind of become a
cliche now, the receiver that needs touches and attention. In
the end, running backs don't. Their careers are shorter. It's
almost like they're more appreciative a Deebo Samuel. Once they
drafted Ricky Pearsall felt like he was no longer part
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of the San Francisco forty nine.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Ers future where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
He's way wrong on Nick Seri on he never loved
his methodology and yelling at fans and confrontations on the bench.
But you know what, two super bowls in three years
he feels You know what, can I say? The team
likes him, The city likes him, The coaches like him. Yeah,
he's a little bit emotional. Well so was Bill Parcells.
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I made a mistake of thinking that everybody coaches the same,
and they don't. You know, there's creative guys like Andy Reid,
there's more rigid guys like Bill Belichick. There's more emotional
guys like Dan Campbell and Nick Siriani, and then there's
more stoic guys throughout the league. So everybody coaches different
and I have learned my.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Lesson where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Huh, Joe l. Embiid might need another knee surgery. I've
never understood Embiid. He didn't play his first two years
in the league because of injuries. They had injury concerns
coming out of Kansas. Why is everybody denying the truth
When Biggs are hurt early, they're hurt often. And he's
a tremendous player, but as we saw in the Olympics,
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he does at times have real problems playing well with others. Yes,
he's talented, Yes, there's some components that make him look
a little like Shack. But in the end, they've always
like denied the injury stuff. And once again, he no
longer plays in back to backs injury issue.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Surface where Colin was right, I said, I.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Thought Jimmy Butler to the Warriors would happen and should happen.
He makes them more interesting. But I also think there's
a physical component to his game. He was part of
a Warrior's blowout win over Chicago. Steph Curry talked about
his importance and now Steph said, he's almost the opposite
of me, so it's a good fit.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I think the idea he's like the exact opposite player
of me, which is kind of funny. Like I'm shooting
sixteen threes, he shout one and got to the free
throw line a lot. He's dominating the pain, him dominating
the outside, the perimeter, guys working around this is as
a potential to be really, really fun.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The Warriors needed some juice. Jimmy Butler is absolutely that
where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, And with
that we bring in Matt Hasselback, who is appropriately wearing green. Well,
you know what I kept pushing back on Syria. I
kept saying, eh, sister, yelling at fam what's you caller?
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On WIP radio?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And you kept that first time long time, and you
just kept saying you're wrong calling.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
So let's go back, and you said you learned your lesson.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
I did.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
I actually don't know if that's true. I don't know
if that's true.
Speaker 9 (08:21):
You're saying what you know you need to say, but
I think you still don't understand. I don't how Nick
Sirianni has been so sicks explain it I wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You know you're right, Explain it to me because it
looks at times so juvenile, and I'm like, cad be
a coach.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
But they love him, love him, absolutely love him.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
And listen.
Speaker 9 (08:43):
The first month of the season, people were calling for
his head. Everyone on TV, everyone with a pen and
type bright or whatever you know it has a Twitter account.
You know they're calling for his head. But but he
kind of reminds me a big Dom. I was trying
to think about how I could explain this to you, Okay,
big Dom. Everybody outside the buildings like, now, what's this
guy deal? Stay back off the sideline, like what's your deal?
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Like what's with the But like the people there, they
would take a bullet for him, like that's their guy.
Anybody that's been through Philly. My brother played in Philly.
I know a lot of people that played in Philly.
They're like, oh, big Dom, he's the guy. It's kind
of the same thing with Sirianni. Like I know, there's
some there's a little bit of strife. Sometimes there's there's
iron sharpening iron. Sometimes there's some sparks. But like no,
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I think he is a legitimate, legitimate coach.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
He's a great leader.
Speaker 9 (09:32):
And and I just think he's got his team focused.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
So now I'm happy for him. I think he did
an excellent job this year.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So you got to explain this to me and I
and I, and it's easy to dump on Kansas City today,
but as you know, you watch film and you prepare,
and then you get into games and you were in
these games, you're like, oh, hell, we can't block them.
And then over the and I almost thought Tom was
really good at this because Tom Gonna. There were a
lot of times Tom did not have the best hand,
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and Super Bowls are conference champ I always thought those
Baltimore teams had better players. But Tom was really good
at manipulating the offense, like Okay, I'm just gonna get
first downs. Let's just keep our defense off the field.
Let's get to the fourth quarter thirty four. Nothing is
not a territory Tom was in. And again I thought
Philadelphia had better players. I said that all week, But
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it didn't feel like to me, Matt, that they adjusted.
I felt like Kansas City was running the same deeper
routes over and over. Am I wrong? I just felt like, Okay,
Patrick Shorten, quicker, manipulate cadence, stuff you talk about. I
didn't feel like they had a second pitch.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
Well, they took away one of his superpowers, and it
did remind me a little bit of a Tom Brady
super Bowl early on when it was twenty eight to three. Yeah,
I'm kind of doing the math. I'm like, all right,
that's twenty five points. You know, it's twenty four. Nothing
here like this could be his Tom Brady twenty eight
to three moment. He's gonna bring him back. They're gonna
go no huddle, They're gonna do something. But what Vic
Fangio and Philly did. One of the things that they
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did is they took away his superpower. And what I
mean by that is that, and I mentioned this to
you before the game, one of the things that Patrick
Mahomes is as as good as anybody at maybe the
best is redirecting and sliding his protection six man and
seven man protections and finding the blitzers. And they didn't
really blitz. Now, you're gonna hear everybody on TV say
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they never blitzed.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
That's not true. Go watch the tape.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
They blitzed at least three times, but they were zone
replaced fire zone type blitzes. They had Zach Bond blitzing.
They had forty number forty two. I think his name's
blanket on his name right now. But they did blitz.
But what they had him doing is they had him
seeing ghosts at times because it was a three man
or a four man rush most of the time. It
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was an eight people dropping in coverage or seven people
dropping in coverage most of the time, while Kansas City
was committing six people or seven people in protection. So
what happens in a situation like that is you have
your left tackle, left tackle, right tackle running back in
for protection, blocking no one, and you have all these
extra defenders in the secondary.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
And they were yes, I.
Speaker 9 (12:14):
Agree, they were able to get home with a d
line pass rush the whole night and it absolutely disrupted him.
He was on edge and then you saw the turnovers
happen very uncharacteristic.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I was lauding kind of the you know, super Bowls
are different, paralysis by analysis, two weeks to prepare, and
of course he had great protection with the old line,
but he did have an ugly pick. When you watch
Jalen Hurts, I don't think he's going to go down
as one of the great pocket passers of all time.
But you know what, it's not affecting him in Super Bowls.
He's been great in both of them. When you watch
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Jalen Hurts, if you didn't, if you had never heard
commentary and you just watched three or four games of him,
is there something that I don't see that you see
the art of playing a quarterback that he doesn't quite
get the credit he deserves. You as a pro quarterback
for eighteen years see it, and I just wouldn't see it.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
He's very steady, never too high, never too low. He
does a lot at the line of scrimmage. They called
two plays. A lot of times he's alerting or killing
or getting out of one play into another. The other
thing is in like their bread and butter runs with Saquon,
He's got the ball in his hands. Now he's reading
a defender. He's either given it or running it. They
ran him quarterback lead a bunch, But you're right. He
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completed twelve passes past to the line of scrimmage in
the entire game. But they were big passes, most of
them fades a post. But I thought, if I were
to give him like sort of like, hey, this is
the thing you do better than anybody else, could be
touch push. Yes, But I think in this game, third quarter,
he had a scramble for sixteen yards, fourteen yards, seventeen yards,
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and then another scramble that ended up as a twenty
two yard completion to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Those are backbreakers.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
Those are like the defense called the perfect defense, played
it perfectly, and now the quarterback gets out and just
absolutely like kicks us in the stomach, takes.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Our breath away.
Speaker 9 (14:08):
And obviously the no critical errors when the quarterback on
the other side turned the ball over three times.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
You know, again, this is easy for me to do
in a Monday, So I don't want to have recency bias.
But if you go look at Patrick Mahomes five Super bowls,
he's three and two, and his passer ratings in the eighties. Now,
I would think two weeks with Andy Reid would be
such a prohibitive advantage. But when I watch the game,
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my take is maybe I've given him a little bit
too much credit on the pre snap stuff. And in
the end, he's got a style. He plays it, he
had libs and he's not you know, I heard this
years ago. He's not a film junkie. He's not bad
at it, but he's not Brady or Breeze where he's
literally staring at that thing three hundred days a year.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
How does it not affect his legacy a little bit? Matt?
I mean to lou like that, in one of the
worst games a quarterback has played in the Super Bowl?
How do I not it sticks to me? I can't
unsee what I saw right.
Speaker 9 (15:09):
Well, one of the best things about football, and you
heard Nick Sirianni and many others talk about it last night,
is it's the ultimate team sport. Like I've played my
entire life, It's an ultimate team sport. And you know,
I'll probably screw the quote up, but he said it
over and over again.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
The whole team did.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
It's hard to be great when there's not greatness. Around
you or something to that effect. I don't think the
guys around Patrick played particularly well. You've got, you know,
right off the top of my head, two of the
guys with the best hands, like maybe in all of
this planet, dropping very easy passes.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
It has to catch. But clearly he did not have
a great day.
Speaker 9 (15:43):
And that's sports, and that happens. But it is a
team sport and so like, yes, the legacy and all
that kind of thing, but there were moments when he
was trying to put the team on his back, and
again I just think like pass protection is huge. You
think about how Kansas City even got here in the
first place, beating Buffalo.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Guys stepped up.
Speaker 9 (16:04):
I'm thinking of that Xavier Worthy catch when it should
have been intercepted and he came down with it. Guys
step up and do something above the x's and o's,
and you know, the turnovers, and then guys playing like
really like we're just beating ourselves. We're laid off the ball,
we're dropping passes, we're having penalties where it just was
a it was just.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Not there night. I don't know, I don't know what
all went into that, but that was an unrecognizable team
to me.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, you know, I don't expect players to be general managers,
But I said Philadelphia was so overpowering on the lines.
It made me think if I was the Commander's GM,
or the Cowboys or the Rams or Packers or the Lions,
I would say, guys, it may change free agency and
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draft opinions in those rooms. Is that when that Seahawk
team was so relentless, you know, you looked around, You're like,
if we gotta play those guys twice, we got to
get better tackles. And I could be a little over
the top here, but I did feel watching that game. Man,
if I'm if I'm Washington, I may go after Miles Garrett,
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I may go after Tray Smith, Like we're like nine
players away from beating Philadelphia. You tell me, as a player,
did you ever have a team in your division where
like the guys were like, we need more dudes. This
has to be an aggressive offseason.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 9 (17:28):
I mean it's a cop it's a copycat league all
the way. I mean, my rookie year was nineteen ninety eight.
That was Randy Moss's first year. He absolutely destroyed the
NFC that year, just destroyed us the Green Bay Packers.
What did we do the next year, Ray Rhodes is
the head coach. We drafted a corner in the first round,
the second round, and the third because.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Of Randy Moss.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
It really didn't lose anybody either, Like it wasn't like
we like, oh, we got to replace some people, No,
we just added where you got to figure this out
and like that absolutely happens. You go back to the
the New York Giants Super Bowl where they knocked off
Tom Brady and the Patriots when they were undefeated. You
got Michael stra and Oci Uman, you are a justin
tuck like they won it with a four man rush.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
The next year, everyone was.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
Trying to do the same thing, like hey, we just
need this amazing four man rush. It makes all the
guys in the back end, the back seven look so
much better. And then you think about the other Super
Bowl that Patrick Mahomes lost to Tampa. Copycat league, like, oh, shoot,
what's the formula. The formula is protection up front. We're
gonna overinvest in pass protection because that's the name of
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the game.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
So yeah, this is a copycat league through and through.
Speaker 9 (18:35):
That's why when somebody said, you know, they kind of
had this idea like, you do not need to pay
a running back, you can go running back by committee.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Everyone kind of went that way.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Now, it'd be interesting to see with the success that
Saquan had, how are people gonna feel about that? Are
we gonna draft running backs high this year? Are we
going to pay running backs and free agency? But no,
if you look at what the Philly at Philadelphia Eagles
and their defense did with a four man rush most
of the night, then then Miles Garrett added to a
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team is like a no brainer and the beauty of
it for him, I don't think he needs more money.
I think what he wants is a great organization who
will be relevant in January and has a quarterback that
can go out and help them hoist to Lombardi. That's
what he cares about.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
By the way. One final question, not related to the
Super Bowl. We had talked about Aaron Rodgers second NFL team, Packers.
Jets just said, hey, listen, we're gonna move on. I
don't know if he wants to play, that's that's up
to Aaron. If you're Vegas, roll the dice or go.
I mean, if you could do Aaron for a year
or get one of the young college quarterbacks who you
may not see as an A plus plus. You know, prospect,
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what do you think happens to Aaron If you had
a guess.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
It won't be Vegas.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I don't I don't see I don't see that for
Pete Carroll. I don't see that for Chip Kelly that
I don't see that.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
I do see Aaron Rodgers playing football.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
I don't see him playing for the Jets, obviously, but
there is a team out there that absolutely would want
Aaron Rodgers for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I think it'd be refreshing for him, rejuvenating for him.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
You know, who knows. Maybe it could be the Tennessee Titans.
And you know, some people say like, AHw he's got
a house there, like that doesn't matter to him. You
go get a house like that, just like right, you know,
he could probably Venmo with his account, you know, for
a house. But it's not so much that I think
there's an opportunity to go play in that Joe Burrow
offense with Brian Callahan.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Maybe you rub off on will Levis a little bit.
Speaker 9 (20:29):
And kind of like, you know, I think he's a
kid who has all the tools, but maybe just needs
a little more savvy and tangibles, maybe a calmness that
Aaron Rodgers can bring.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
And I think it might be fun.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
I think it might be fun for Aaron Rodgers to
just get out of New York and just play somewhere else.
So I don't know, I'm spitballing here, but that feels
right to me.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, you were right. We have a new segment where
Matt was right and Colin was wrong, and you just
watched it for twenty.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Minutes twice a day like a broken like a broken clock.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Hey, you've been great all season. We'll hear from you
multiple times off season. Good seeing you Matt as well.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Thank you had fun man, Thank you all right.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He's been great for us all year. Yeah. I think Nashville.
He's got a house in Nashville. I think that's the
one that you may have mentioned this, That one feels right.
Offensive coach got a place in Nashville. You know that
division is literally on an annual basis, completely up for grounds.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's a good point. How do you think Will Levice
would take I don't think. Let me say who cares,
but they don't. They have a pretty decent pick in
the draft.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, here's here's my take. You take Aaron for a
year or two, you move off that number one pick,
accumulate all sorts of picks, build your roster with five
extra draft picks, and then next year, which is the
year for much better quarterbacks, go get it. Oh, get
a Riley Leonard in the third round or something. I
just think when you have that first pick. My theory
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on draft drafting in the NFL always trade down if
you have the number one pick unless there's a transformational quarterback.
And in most issues we find that the second or
third quarterback taken is the best quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Do you think Kim Ward is transformational?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
No, and I don't. I like Chader more than him,
but I don't think he's transformational. Later, I think they're
both capable of being franchise quarterbacks. But my take is
bringing Aaron for a year, he'll be home, he'll be happier,
he'll be out of New York, and just trade down
your pick and fill the roster out.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So Hasselbeck mentioned Rogers in Tennessee, and I'm thinking, like,
if I'm Brian Callahan, I've worked my entire career as.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
A coach to get to be a head coach. I
see will levitce for a year, he vomits all over himself.
He's not the guy.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Do I want to go with Aaron Rodgers in year
two when if it goes sideways, there's a decent chance
on fire.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
That was my shot.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I would rather reboot with a new quarterback just because like,
it's gonna give me a longer runway right, kim Ward
doesn't is it a phenomenal as a rookie?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Hey, let's see what we saw some growth many year two.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Well, there was also a feeling fair or not that
Aaron Rodgers got rid of McCarthy. Aaron Rodgers didn't help Sola.
So if you're Callahan to your point, you're like, listen,
just just selfishly for my career project, you know, ascension
Aaron's not good for coaches.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
How about Brian Dabele in New York Giants. They don't
have I mean I think they're city. Yeah, they're not
gonna get one of the top two quarterbacks unless you
do your slides. If Stafford thing doesn't materialize, Dable's like,
who does he have? What's the game plan? Dable's gonna
get run out of town. You know that if they
don't win this season, Oh no, there's no question. He
has to get a quarterback. And like it was justin Fields,
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is it Russell Wilson? They did kick the tires on
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I think they met.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Hi been an airport for coffee when he was eligible
before he went to the Steelers. So it's gonna be
fun now we got we got quarterback controversy this offseason.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
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Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, I read this script, this column that said
the second biggest winner after Philadelphia was Tom Brady's legacy.
And if you just it's interesting because if you just
consider the New England Patriots part of Tom's legacy, it
had three different levels. There was the early Brady who
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was considered more game manager. They had a great defense
and they won super Bowls. Then there was the Randy
Moss high flying years. Defense wasn't as good. Tom was
getting paid so was Randy Moss and win super bowls.
And then there was the third version where it was
Gronk Edelman tom was now a master Svengali at the
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line of scrimmage. Defense is good, not it was great.
Offense good not a superpower, but they were just smarter
than everybody, right, like just more efficient Kansas City. Maybe
I'm wrong, but I think they're going into their third already.
Number one was the high flying years with Mahomes and
Tyreek Hill. They could fall behind twenty more nothing and
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you're like, yeah, they'll catch up. Then Tyreek leaves, Mahomes
gets more efficient, and it's about a suffocating defense, right
And I mean this year, I mean, he wasn't nearly
as good as many of the top quarterbacks. They just
kept winning games. And my question, after watching Travis Kelsey
look really old. It's musical chairs. Five left tackles in
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five Super Bowls. They have a different left tackle. They
got to do better than Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Pacheco.
They got to do better than a lot of these
sort of average wide receivers. I think they really have
to consider left tackle first pick. They have to go
heavy offense in this draft. They have to get more dynamic,
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and the offensive line's got to get better. And it
feels like to me, you start looking at Detroit's roster
and Philly's roster and this doesn't stack up, and they
have a very good front office. But thank god for
Xavier Worthies late season explosion. I mean, thank god for that.
So I do feel that Rashi, Rice and Worthy have
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sort of solved their two to three year wide receiver dilemma.
They got to get better tackles. They got to get
another tight end. It's a good tight end draft. They
got to get better running backs. Kareem Hunt's not gonna
do when you're facing defensive lines like that. They got
to get more elite special players. And just in New
England alone, Tom had different layers to it, different chapters
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in the book. I kind of feel like watching Travis
Kelcey looked old, Chris Jones looked ineffective. It's kind of like,
I think we're moving to a period of it's time
to commit to the offense in the draft like you
have in the last three years, to the defense in
the draft.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Didn't Brady say that he went nine years between Super
Bowl wins or something something.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
He seems in conceivable.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Totally, and look that is he won so many.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
But you're right, you look at this team and It's
like Rashi Rice, remember that rocky off season that he had.
Now he's got the injury. You don't know for sure
what's gonna happen over the next six months with that guy.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
This was Brady Friday talking about just how hard it
is to win these Super Bowls.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
What I realized early in my career about super Bowls was, man,
we won my first year, Like, what's the big deal is?
It's like I went to college, we played Norge Bowl,
I won. We went to the Citrus Bowl, we won. Okay,
now I'm in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
We won?
Speaker 10 (27:29):
All right, what's the big We didn't have a great
seat in two thousand and two. We won in two
thousand and three, what's the big deal? We won in
two thousand and four, what's the big deal?
Speaker 8 (27:36):
Right?
Speaker 10 (27:37):
Then you go to two thousand and seven and you lose,
And then you go to twenty eleven and you get
to the Super Bowl. They're having a great team in
twenty ten and we lose, and it was just like, wow,
this is way harder.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
We went ten years between winning.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
And remember I think their most talented offense, the ran
Wes Welker yours they win. It was and this is
not a knock on anybody. But I don't think. I
don't think right now Mahomes has a good enough offensive
line and a good enough running back room, and at
the very end, they don't have enough dependable elite targets.
(28:19):
Worthy exploded late in the year, and they deserve credit
for that, and he deserves credit. But Brady also talked
about the effect losing Super Bowls has on quarterbacks.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
When you lose this game, this is on your resume forever.
A loss in the Super Bowl matters more than any
loss that you're ever going to be a part of.
When I go in Philly and they go Philly Special,
Philly Special, and I'm at the Knicks game with my
son in Spike Lee, I throw him a ball and
he puts the ball and he catches it on his
head like the helmet catch. I mean, that was seventeen
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years ago and I'm still living that thing down. So
I think the challenging thing if you look at Patrick,
for example, like you want to win this game of
your Patrick, because if you don't, you're three and two
in Super Bowls and it's not a great feeling.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
The other thing I'd like to say about this is
that all this whining about the NFL being rigged to
be the champs, you have to physically beat the Chams,
and that's what happened. That's what the Giants did to
Brady twice. They physically manhandled Dante scarneki Is very good
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offensive lines. They pushed him all over the field, and
that's what Philadelphia did. So Buffalo can complain. But Buffalo,
you don't have enough good players. Defensively, You're not even.
You don't have three guys that would start for the
Eagles defensively, Bengals, you're not aggressive enough in the front office. Baltimore,
you get tight in big games. I mean, you watch
Philadelphia is Buffalo. How many defensive players for Buffalo start
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for Philadelphia. I'm dead serious, Milano, that may be it.
It's none of their guys in the second there, the
proud Steelers can't take you seriously. You want to be champs,
you gotta do what the Giants did to New England.
You gotta do what the Seahawks did to Peyton, Manning
and Denver. You gotta do what Philadelphia did to Kansas City.
(30:14):
You left no doubt. You pushed them around early in
the game. There's that penalty against Philadelphia. Ah, It's terrible
couple of plays, a couple of series later as a
makeup call, and in the end, this series came down
to something very very simple. Kansas City could not block Philadelphia,
and Kansas City didn't adjust. They by the time they
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tried to adjust, it was garbage yards and garbage points.
They didn't adjust. But sorry, if you want to beat Philadelphia,
you gotta be better at drafting. You got to be
better at trades. You gotta be better at free agency.
The Bengals can't afford t Higgins, How in the hell
does Philadelphia afford aj Brown, Devonte Smiths, Sakuon Barkley, Jalen hurts.
(30:56):
You gotta be better Cincinnati. Be better in the front office.
Every time Buffalo plays Kansas City, they give up thirty
five plus points. Be better on defense. Quote worrying about
a call on fourth down when there's thirteen minutes left
in the game. Make a stop. The Eagles last five drafts,
look at this. Quinnon, Mitchell, Cooper, Dejan Jalen, Carter, Nolan Smith,
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Jordan Davis, Nacobe, Dean, DeVante Smith, Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams,
Jalen Hurts, he's a alle. It's a Pro Bowl lineup. Buffalo,
Baltimore draft better, Cincinnati spend more money, Dallas draft better.
To be the champs, you gotta physically beat the champs,
and that's what Philly did.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Colin, how many guys just looking at the screen, how
many of those guys are SEC guys? Off the top
of your head, we know DeVonta Smith Alabama, most Jordan Davis, Georgia,
Nakobe Dean, Georgia, Jalen Carter, I think Georgia SEC.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Their big school, big brand college programs except Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Nolan Smith obviously had Mitchell did Dean went to Iowa.
I believe it is superstar tech kick Linda Dickerson was
at Alabama again, Jalen Hurts, obviously you had played at Alabama.
Hey man, when it comes to the draft, these SEC
they got all the five star.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Dudes, might want to take them, you know, not the
worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
You started looking around the NFL, Ohio, State, Michigan, Georgia, Bama.
They're pretty good. Those got Oklahoma got some good guys.
Uh take a break, heard line next live in Los Angeles.
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On the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Well, Sakuon Barkley.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Colin did not have an amazing super Bowl, however, because
of his performance combining the regular season, he had the
greatest single season rushing record of all time and he
got the Lombardi on his twenty eighth birthday.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Here's Saquon Barkley after the victory.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Hell of the Year, right.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You know, I couldn't do it without, you know, the
big boys up front, everyone on his team. I just
appreciate them, the whole Leagles organization of you know, me
being a newcomer, welcome in, go open arms, and you know,
helping build confidence back at me too.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
You know that was that was definitely helpful. So it
was a hell of the year.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
But all the numbers and stats for records is cool.
But you know the best thing is to be able
to hold at Lombardi Trophy.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Just phenomenal stuff from Saquon Barkley, the New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
They need to be.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Part of the parade for the Eagles, you know, forgiving
the I mean, let it was the Abs.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
They showed his rushing yards in the playoffs on Fox
before the game. It was like six hundred and eighty
three yards, and I was thinking, for a second, could
he get a thousand yards just in the playoffs playoff game?
Now it didn't happen. I mean, you could tell basically
what the game plan was by the Chiefs, which is
it's all about Saquon make Jalen beat us over the top,
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and very early he did.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Saq one is the third player to lead the NFL
in rushing yards and win a Super Bowl. The other
two are trivia questions. Do you want to take a gander?
They're both in the last thirty years.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Okay, ask it again.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Third player sake one is to lead the NFL in
rushing and win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Okay, Okay, one of them is super famous as a
running back.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You should get easily on a dynasty, lead the league
in rushing and win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Would it be Kareem Hunt his first time with Kansas
City Smith?
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Emtt Smith?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And then the other admit, sound like it happened fifteen
minutes ago. So I leave the Kareem Hunt lead. The
league's out by me Evans.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Mvitit, Terrell Davis or the others. Saquad just unbelievable. Next up,
Colin Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. It's funny, you know,
we don't need to hear from the Cowboys. And all
of a sudden, Jerry Jones decides to pipe up at
NFL Honors. Speaking with Diana Russini, Jerry talked about how
he expected Dallas to be in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 12 (36:20):
Jesus, I wouldn't have signed Dak Prescott paid player in
the NFL if now wasn't one wanted to win. This
is a shock to be here at the Super Bowl
and not have the Cowboys here.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I didn't plan on that when I.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Made that as great we'd be like it.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So we're gonna do everything we.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Can to get there.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Remember, he's the GM of the Cowboys against Howie Roseman.
I mean, did he watch the game? Dallas is eight
players shy of competing. They don't have a running back.
The Eagles have Saquon Barkley. They have the weakest running
back room in the league. If Cee Lam twist an ankle,
what do they have?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
But just his logic of we just need to sign
Dak Prescott, he will go to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
He's become he's become the old er Al Davis where
he's just nothing makes sense. Like it's Dallas fans. I
think they know it. We've seen studies on Cowboy fans
like you're not a viable franchise.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You should do a top ten in the NFC pre draft,
pre free ag Oh, Dallas's not in it.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, I don't think they're in there.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Oh, absolutely not. I mean Philadelphia, Washington is now in it,
Green Bay, Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
How's this. Who's got a better ross, Seattle or Dallas.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Seattle by far, you don't even need to think it's
like not e I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Seattle has eight or nine really good players, most of
them young.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Everybody in the NFC North has a better roster than
da I mean, it's every single NFC North team. I mean,
I'll see this and I give him a lot of crap.
The Jets have a better roster. The Jets have five
or six elite players. Cowboys have like three, Well the.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Cowboys have two, Ceedee Lamb and Micah Pik. That is it.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
And I would move back.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Over shown the guy who got hurt, right, I mean,
I love you like the Eagles have ten players.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
We love just starting with two corners, two tackles, two guards,
a running back, a quarterback, a tight end, two linebackers.
I mean, it just it's endless. I mean one of
the things about the Eagles is I don't know if
they're good at kicking. Well they were yesterday, now Elliott.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Was money yeah about that right?
Speaker 12 (38:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Final story is let's head to the NBA where Anthony
Davis made his MAV's debut Saturday.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Colin, if you just watched the first half of this
Anthony Davis, oh my god, Domina twenty six.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Sixteen and seven, and then in the third quarter a
non contact.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Abductor strain injury.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Eighty said he's very confident it will not be a
significant setback, but we just heard it's gonna be multiple weeks,
could be a month. They're estimating him out for twelve games.
He didn't make it through the first.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Game he played as a Dallas Maverick.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
And we know his history, but he had been healthy
mostly for the last two.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Years he had and now he's not. And it comes
on the heels of MAVs owner Patrick Dumont.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I don't know if you heard this.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I read the story.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
This is I mean, if I'm Luka Donta seeing this,
I might go for fifty tonight. Here for playing for
the Lakers. Here's what the owner said, taking a shot
at Luca. If you look at the greats in the league,
the people you and I grew up with, Jordan Byrd,
Kobe Shack, they worked really hard every day with a
singular focus to win. And if you didn't have that,
(39:25):
it doesn't work. And if you don't have that, you
shouldn't be a part of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
That's who we want.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I'm on wavering this. If you want to take a vacation,
don't do it with us.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Well, I mean, Shack was Shaq was not one of
the harder workers.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Kobe blows over this.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Charles Barkley was a great player, he wasn't known as
having an accelerated passion for working out. Alan Iverson you
talking about practice, not I mean Carmelo Anthony never coming
into defense. I mean there's been a lot of great players. Again,
I'll say it. I don't mind moving off, Luca. You
gotta get more than one first round pick. I told
you Anthony Davis, Austin Reeves.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You don't, I'm moving off.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
No.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
If you gave me Anthony Davis Austin Reeves in three
first and you didn't like the condition, well you say
that's crazy, but go look at what Kevin Durant got.
He got like nine Picksy Colbert got like four first.
Ky Bridges got five first. Yeah, you gotta get more.
If you gave me Austin Reeves average in twenty a
game in the last two months. I mean, he's been phenomenal.
(40:21):
Anthony Davis is a top six player three firsts okay.
But you can't do Anthony.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Because Max Christie is a good young player.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
No, Max, Max is a rotation, should be the first
guy off the bench or maybe your fifth starter.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He could get started in a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I know Max Christy's fine if they're none wrong with
Max Chrisky Christie, nice player.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, I cannot wait to see Luca tonight.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
College. Are you going to game?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I'm not, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Why don't you get well, why.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Can't buddy with season tickets is out of town? He's
an Aspen so.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Uh, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I don't have any buddies like that. Yeah, Rockey Minor
over at Denny's grabbing breakfast this morning. Yours are in Aspen.
All right, nice to know. Jay Mack with the news.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Manhattan Beach among the elites.
Speaker 12 (41:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I'm just out here shoveling snow. What can I tell you?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You're not in Chicago yet.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
My wife called me from Vermont today. She's out there
with her daughter. It's coming down, baby. You be safe
out there, folks.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
It is.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
We're getting some really really snowstorms Midwest and Northeast weekend.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
It's gonna be warm here.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Okay, well consider it all right, that's fantastic. Rub it in, Okay,
good stuff. First two hours of the show fly by,
it is man. I wish Mark Williams. I wish that
trade would have gone through. We could be looking at
the first of many championships in LA and now we
can't defend the rim. How life changes.