February 13, 2025 • 42 mins
More on the Jets moving on from Aaron Rodgers and his possible future
Some possible scenarios for the NFL free agent market
Colin believes Matthew Stafford could make the Giants a playoff team
Guest: Albert Breer
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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There's Matt Stafford news with the New York Giants, Aaron
Rodgers information as well. Albert Breer in five minutes is
going to join us. Uh, we got lost stuff. Chris
Brusard stopping by last hour. Good week with Chris Broussard.
Finally got over on old friend Nick Wright. Old Nick
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had a bad, bad week so far. So sad to
see you hate to see. I hate to see that.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
She's losing Super Bowl here, devastating.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Devastating for the whole.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I don't how the community will bounce that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't a tough loss.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thirty four nothing, thirty four nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So I'm just reading an article this morning on the
top one hundred free agents in the NFL, and there's
a list of people out here, and I'll get to
this in a minute or two. I do think there's
one free agent that I would break the bank on
that one that I really really like. I break the bank.
I'll slow down, but I won that I would really
pursue if I was about six seven teams. I'll get
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to that in a second. But the biggest spenders in
free agency last year were the Titans, the Panthers, and
the Falcons. And I kind of liked what Atlanta did.
But there's a real separation between good GM and bad GM.
Last year. A good GM got Baker Jason Light, A
good GM got Bond and Saquon Barkley. Josh Jacobs went
to the Packers. Mark Goudenkoum's excellent move. So some smart
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gms last year, some transformational players. I mean Josh Jacobs
changed the offense for the Packers. That was a great get.
The draft is how you scout college players free agents
see is how you scout NFL players. Now the Eagles
do both very well. The Patriots did very poorly in
the college draft the last six seven years of Belichick.
So a prime example, here's a guy that you know,
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I love Sam Darnald, but getting Sam Donald last year
in free agency was great. You paid him nothing. In Minnesota,
you had a great left tackle, great receivers, and a
very smart offensive coach in a division with no great defenses.
I thought Sam Darnold was a great pickup for Minnesota,
and he had a rookie quarterback that you would prefer
he could sit and watch a veteran for a year.
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But Sam Donald now is a free agent scares me
because now you're gonna have to pay him thirty seven
million dollars and he's not going to get an offensive
coach I would guess as good as Kevin O'Connell, and
he's not getting Justin Jefferson right, and he's probably not
getting as good as left tackle. So I like Sam Darnald,
but it's a cautionary tale. He was a great free
agent at that price point, and that situation from Minnesota,
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I'm not sure. You know, I think with Chip Kelly
and they have good a good left tackle, but you know,
like for instance, they don't have they don't have the
weapons on the outside in Vegas that they did in Minnesota.
There is no Justin Jefferson. They have Jacoby Myers. That's it.
So the player that I think is fascinating that I
would pay for is T Higgins. Now, I think he's
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either a low end one or the best two in
the league. But I bought it was the Chargers, I'd
go get him. If I was the Patriots, I'd go
get him. If I was Washington, I would go get him.
I like T Higgins a lot. Cincinnati's cheap, they always
have been. They pay Burrow, they'll pay Jamar Chase. I
don't think they'll pay him. He is a pro. I
think he's pretty durable. He's got good hands. Now, the
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thing you worry about a little bit is Jamar Chase
gets double team, so he usually gets the second best
corner or the third best corner. But I found was
it last year that Jamar Chase got hurt or the
year before? T Higgins stepped up as a one and
was very good. He was very very good going against
number one corners. So this is the free agent I
see this list of guys. There's a lot of guys
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I like. I'm not spending big money for to Higgins.
I'd spend money for. I'm not gonna name names. A
lot of those guys like him. Don't love them not
spending big money. And again last year Titans, big spenders
in free agency. Not good. Remember a sneed the corner
for Kansas City. Kansas City's like see you Titans, like
we love you. Didn't do anything, didn't do anything. So
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he'd just be very very careful with that. Senior NFL
reporter Monday morning, quarterback Albert Brier stopping by. Okay, so
Jmack mentioned it last week and I was like, whatever,
I was worried about the super Bowl, and now all
of a sudden, I'm reading you. And then I made
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a call yesterday and people said, no, no, the Stafford
Giants things. There's there's meat on the bone here. Listen
Da Boll and Joe Shane Albert. If for no other
reason they've got a win, he gives them immediate utibility,
does he not? If I staid to you, fifty to fifty,
is that a reasonable percentage on if it could happen
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or not Stafford of the Giants, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
If it's fifty to fifty. I think if if it
were up to the Giants, it might be greater than that.
The Giants have already been aggressive about looking at their options,
both in the veteran market and obviously with the way.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
They've scattered quarterbacks over the last three.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Or four months, so they are looking at every option,
turning over every rock.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Really so much this boils down to where the negotiation
goes with the Rams, and I think a lot of
that probably starts to crystallize when we get to the
combine in Indianapolis in a couple of weeks. And you know,
if you want to look at what that's about, well,
you know, like look at what they did during the
last offseason. They there's a very difficult negotiation, took six
months for them to find resolution. They move five million
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dollars forward into twenty twenty four, guarantee all of his money,
remove all the guarantees for twenty twenty five and beyond,
and then agree that they're going to revisit it. Now
they're at the point where they need revisited. So what
determines whether or not Stafford's going to be there? How
much does Matthew Stafford want, how much of it's going
to be guaranteed. On the flip side, are the Rams,
who are very young now able to get a commitment
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from Matthew Stafford that he's more than just year to
year that he's going to play the next.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Two or three years.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think all these things will play into how that
thing winds up breaking down with the Rams.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Again, there's some water under the bridge there.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
The negotiation wasn't easy last year, right, and now we'll
see where they go. I think Sean McVay would love
to have Matthew Stafford back in twenty twenty five. But
the team looks a lot different than it did a
couple of years ago. And I will say, if they
decide they're open for business on Stafford, somebody's willing to
give him a first round.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Pick and maybe something else, I think they listen.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And again, the Giants have been very, very aggressive and
looking at quarterback options.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I think Stafford would be one for them.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
And Stafford, remember has some background in that Patriot style
of offense.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Haven't played for that Patricia in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah. And also I think it's made it public that
he loves Cooper Cup Hooper Cup. I was told the
Rams didn't love that he went public with something they
were trying to keep private. So it's gotten to be
a little turbulent there. Now I'm gonna throw this at you.
I do believe you. Watch Peyton Manning go to Denver
and win a title. Stafford LA title, Tom Brady Tampa title.
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I do not believe Aaron Rodgers wants it to end
like this. He leaves Green Bay, they get better, and
the Jets is a disaster. I think he needs a
third act. I honestly, with a second tier coaching staff.
Last year he was pretty damn good in the last
ten games, and that was not a good staff. That
was interim coach it was. I mean, it just wasn't
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a good staff. I'm just gonna throw this out there.
I'm the Rams. I get a number one pick. I
can trade it down, accumulate picks for next year's draft
to get a quarterback. I don't think it's crazy airin
to the Rams rent a quarterback. I don't think it's nuts.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Am I nuts there?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yes? I think he goes to LA for a year
or two. By the way, Aaron is dying for stability,
a head coachy respects, and I think he looks at
mcveighon thinks, you know his brother, Lafleur's brothers the OC.
It makes sense to.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Me, Well, let's look back at what you know, what
Aaron's you know, where Aaron's head is at too.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
I mean he told me it was a couple of
weeks ago before the.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Season that he didn't want to go out like that
after the Achilles injury, and that was one reason why
he was coming back for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
And you wanted to have not one but two good years.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And everything that he said, everything he's messaged, would tell
you that he will come back because going out the
way that he went out with the Jets this year's
worse than going out with the Achilles, right, like going
out with the team that's playing out the string.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
And I do think he's got something left.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I've talked to some people who have studied him, have
just didn't just watch him, have studied him.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
You know, one pro.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Scouting director said, if you go back and you look
at that Jacksonville game, you can see a guy who
still sees and thinks the game at a very high
level and the guy who can still really throw it.
And here too, coming back off the Achilles, for a
quarterback of his age should be better than year one.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Coming back off the Achilles.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
So I do think that he's got something to offer somebody,
and look like the idea of playing in that system
for that coach. I think would appeal to any quarterback
for the same reason it appealed to Stafford. I'm back
in twenty twenty one. It would appeal to Aaron Rodgers
the idea of going there. You got a good young
base of talent, you can build off of it. It's
got some of the things that Jets had when he
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went there, and he'd be home in Los Angeles. I
don't think they'd be the only team to be interested.
I think Pittsburgh would have an interest in him, you know,
the Giants. I don't know if the Jets would let
that happen, but if they released them, they wouldn't have
any control over it. The Giants that they could have
an interest. The Browns could have an interest. I think
there will be interested in Aaron Rodgers and the idea
of like that musical quarterbacks thing that you're playing out
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there where maybe Stafford is out and Rogers is in.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
It wouldn't solve the long term issue for the.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Rams, but you know it is. It is a way
to band aid the problem in a different way.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, it's really really interesting. I've said this. I thought
Darnell was a great pick up last year circumstantially good
left tackle, Justin Jefferson, weak defensive division, Kevin O'Connell. Low expectations.
Let JJ McCarthy bake on the free agent market, you know,
paying him forty it may be a different ballgame. The
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Raiders is interesting. They do not have an elite weapon
on the outside. Chip Kelly stable coach at Colton Miller,
left tackle, two excellent tight ends, Donald Vegas. He's a
he's a West Coast kid. Do you think they'd make
a run at him? Do you think that's viable for
the Raiders?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I think it's, I guess, a really good fit.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I think because of what.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Sam Darnold is as a quarterback and a guy you
want to get You want to get him playing fast,
you want to maximize his athleticism, you know, I think
he would fit with Chip Kelly's trying to build out
there offensively. And look, I think too many people are
looking at Sam Darnold the wrong way, right, which is like,
if you sign him to a Baker Mayfield type of contract,
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say one hundred over three, one hundred and ten over three,
whatever the number is, Like, okay, Like that's it. That's
our quarterback going forward. Why couldn't he be what Alex
Smith was for Andy Reid in Kansas City, where he
was a really good quarterback who got you to the
playoffs a bunch and bought you time to find Patrick Mahomes,
especially in a year when there's probably not an answer
in the draft where the.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Raiders are picking, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So I think the idea of bringing in Donald as
sort of this short term, long term bridge that gives
you some flexibility that fits the offense you're trying to build,
makes a ton of sense. I think he could make
some sense for the Rams too, if they do wind
up moving on from Stafford, because he does have experience
in that offense.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
He played for Kevin O'Connell, who worked.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Under Sean McVay, and then he played for Kyle shanahan
in San Francisco. So I think Vegas and the Rams,
if they were to move on from Stafford, would be
good landing spots for Donald. The question, of course, whether
or not they let him go. The Vikings are very
comfortable with JJ McCarthy right now. There is a little
question about him putting some weight back on, so that's
something you have to watch over the next few weeks.
But you know, they really like what they've seen from
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JJ McCarthy. He pushed Donald and August he needed at
least a conversation in August. So I think what the
Vikings do here as they probably say to Sam, go
see what's out there for you. We'd love to have
you back. Please give us a chance to match or
have a discussion after you get some offers. But if
they have to go forward with JJ McCarthy, I think
they're comfortable with that. Again, provide that he can get
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his weight and strength back coming back off the knee injury.
And you know, I think going forward now like Sam
Darnold's going to have some opportunity out there, maybe at
the Baker Mayfield level of contract.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I want to ask you about this, what the Giants
are telling you with the number three pick, this interest
in stafford Is and Donald. We don't love the quarterbacks,
and I think Shadour is better than people are thinking.
But I am I'm telling you you sniff around on this.
I've had people tell me they think the best player
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is that wide receiver at Arizona or Carter from Penn State. Like,
it's just not a quarterback class that you want to
put your arms around. What are you hearing on? This
is there? Do you think we'll have movement? Do the
Titans take a quarterback? It's very easy to argue the Titans, Browns,
Giants would take quarterbacks in most drafts. I could see
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all of them trading down Albert.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah. Well, but the question becomes them, what are you
coming up for? You know?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
The consensus I've gotten from teams is there are two
blue chip players in the draft. I think it's Abdul Carter,
the edge rusher from Penn State, and then two way
star of course, the Heisman winner Travis Hunter from Colorado.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
And there are varying.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Opinions on guys like the one you mentioned, Tetero McMillan
from Arizona, Will Johnson and Mason Graham from Michigan, Will
Campbell from LSU, Jalen Walker from Georgia.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
There are a lot of.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
There's a big variance of opinions as far as I
can tell so far. I've made all my calls, obviously,
Yet there are big variants of opinions on those guys.
So the question becomes, then, yes, I mean there are
going to be teams that the Titans at one the
Patriots at four, the Jaguars at five. All those teams
could look to move down, right, And I think all
those teams will look to move down. The question is
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what's somebody coming up for?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Are they coming up for Abdua Carter when Jalen Locker
or Michael Williams is there for them later in the
top ten. Are they coming up for Travis Hunter when
they could get maybe Will Johnson later in the top ten?
Are they coming up for one of the quarterbacks? And
that's what I think is key about the top of
the draft is how hot does cam Ward get? How
hot does Shador Sanders get? And how far separate are
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those two guys from what maybe Jackson Dart from Old
Miss is going to be at the top of the
second round. To me, that determines the value of the draft,
and so are the value of those picks at the top.
And so I think for guys, for teams like the Titans,
like the Patriots, like the Jaguars that could look to
move down, you have to be rooting for the quarterbacks
to get hot. Otherwise I don't know that those picks
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at the top of the draft can have the kind
of value that's going to attract teams to come up
and get them.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know, I gotta throw this out there people. I
think fans tend to think all these owners are billionaires
and they're all on a rigid salary cap. But the
difference between the money that the Eagles generate even on
game day and what the Bengals do. I mean, I
went to the website this morning. The Eagles have twenty
one scouts in their scouting department. If you go to
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the Bengals website, they have four. Joe Burrow has made
three public comments about T Higgins. Yep, I don't think
they're going to pay him. I think Joe Burrow and
for the record, we've seen their top players, I mean
Jamar Chase Hendricks. I mean, this team had the best
quarterback statistically, the best edge rusher, and the best receiver
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who hit the triple Crown, and they don't seem happy.
What do you make of all these borough public comments?
Because my guess is they will not pay Higgins.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
They're the most intriguing team this offseason to me, and
what they do I think could be as pivotal to
their next decade as any team in the NFL. Over
the next two, three, four or five months. Joe Burrow
is one of the smartest players I've ever been around.
He's one of the savviest players I've ever been around.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
He's the son of a coach.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
He's the little brother of two guys who are linebackers
in Nebraska. He's been around big time football his entire life.
He played for two major programs, won in a national
championship in college, played in a Super Bowl in his
second year. He's seen a lot for a guy his age,
and he's aware, and he was aware when you know,
when he came out in twenty twenty of what the
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Bengals are and what the Bengals have been historically over
the years, and the willingness of Mike Brown to spend
on his roster, to spend on his operation.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
He's lived in.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
You know, it took forever them for them to get
an indoor facility built, and that happened just recently, but
that it took a long time for a team that's
playing in the climate of the Cincinnati is to have
a place where they could practice with a roof over
their heads. So, I mean, I think he knows what's
at stake here. I think he wants to compete for
championships in the worst way. I think that is his
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singular focus and priority. And I don't think it's any
mistake that he said the things that he said over
the last two weeks. In fact, Colin, if you go
back and you look over the last four or five months,
he's been saying this stuff for a while. Yes, he's
been going to bat for Jamar Chase. He's been going
to bat for Trey Hendrickson, He's been going to bat
for t Higgins to try to keep those guys together.
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And I just think Joe know is the score here.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Joe knows what it's.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Going to take to compete for a championship in the AFC.
When you've got the Chiefs and the Bills and the
Ravens that you're competing against for the foreseeable future. You
need players and you need talent, and it takes more
than just a quarterback. And I think Joe is you know,
for my money, if there's a quarterback you take over
the next ten years, I think it's those two.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
It's Patrick Mahomes and Joe.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Burrow, and the Bengals have a precious commodity on their hands.
They need to listen to their quarterback here, and they
need to work with their quarterback to get what he
wants done done. And I'm not saying that you should
cut Kauto out to every single demand that every player has,
but I think to keep him happy over the next
ten years and to compete for championships the next ten years,
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they need to do some of the things that he's
asking them to do. And they're smart people in that
building who I think will find.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
A way to get that done.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
But it's a very critical offseason.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
When it comes to that stuff for the Bengals, no
doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And by the way, the Patriots, the Commanders, and the
Chargers would be better teams tomorrow with T Higgins. So
it's like you can let T go. He has absolutely
got a great market.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
If you think about the Chargers, Colin right, the Chargers,
Now you got your receiver, you got Joe Walton, Rashaun Slater, tackle,
Justin Herbert. Maybe a draft like maybe you trade up
in draft ash and and now all of a sudden
you're rolling. You know, there are a lot of teams
that could look at T Higgins and you're assuming he's
not going to be Alvin Harper in the mid nineties.
I heard you talking about this in the way and
where the number two becomes number one, and it's not
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the same thing, And that's obviously a projection. But I
think Higgins has got the chops to be a number
one receiver. It's a number one receiver. And so yeah,
there's a lot on the line for Cincinnati here. There
are teams that would be lining up to take their
shot at T. Higgins if he becomes available in the
middle of March.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, not all free agents are equal, that's for sure.
Albert Buruza is Monday morning quarterback. Good seeing your body
all right?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
You too?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, it's yeah, he's really good. No getting around that.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's like it's like you're the T Higgins. You're a one.
When I leave, you show everybody you get like twelve
targets and ten catches, no doubt about it. It's got
to make sure the people upstairs.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Understand that, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's the key. Wow, I wonder if we're better run
than the Bengals. I'll tell you that. I'm really not
picking on the Bengals. But when you're in a division
with Lamar Jackson in Baltimore's organization. That's the standard. I'm
gonna hold you Tony.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You haven't used this phrase in a while, but buttoned up.
It feels like the Bengals is just loosey goosey.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I just don't think they have the money. Do you
know if you take out the Packers that don't have
an owner, they have the porest owners.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You you sure they only have four scouts?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Go to the website. Four and I think one of
them works on the website. Wow, No, I mean Philadelphia.
People forget this in the NFL. The difference between the
Rams game day revenue, Like Eagles have huge game day revenue.
I was told that when the Rams moved, there's not
a lot of money in Saint Louis for Insta's orsons
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in ed there's no no So when the Rams moved
to LA from Saint Louis, everybody was banging on stan Kronky.
I was told that even at the Coliseum, which is
a college stadium, and it wasn't they didn't have Swedes,
they didn't have anything. The Rams made more money in
a temporary college football stadium on game day than the
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Saint Louis Rams made in an NFL stadium. Now, So
now what do you think SOFI generates on game day? Dude,
if you go to Sofi Stadium, there must be twelve
different places to drink and eat like they have. I
mean every deck has just got place.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
One of the newest stadiums in the country. It's it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I mean there's like how many restaurants in that place.
It is just a revenue center. So and then you
got places like Cincinnati where they had to sell stadium
naming rights just to pay for Burls contract. Like it's
if you think everybody's dealing with the same stuff here.
You know what the Raiders, by the way, suddenly do
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you know why the Raiders keep firing coaches and gms
because they have two new people that bought into the franchise.
So Mark Davis is now suddenly infused with massive cash,
and uh, you know that's why the Race are like,
let's pay for Pete Carroll, Let's get rid of this guy.
They suddenly they've got in their infuse. They used to
be more along the lines of the Bengals, didn't have
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a lot of money. Now they've got new ownership, revenue
flying in. Raiders are rich that's the way it works.
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Speaker 3 (22:49):
If the audience only new Let's get started with Lamar
Jackson and the Ravens. I don't know this is written
as they came up short in the postseason, but I
was not impressed with that game against Buffalo. You know,
I know they had the turnovers, but Baltimore, which looked
awesome for most of the season, really kind of disappointed
in that playoff loss. And now they have the fourth
best odds to win the Super Bowl next year. In
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a recent interview, There's superstar safety Kyle Hamilton said the
Ravens have everything you want to win a championship, adding
I've had so many people ask me what the Ravens
are missing.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I'm like, literally nothing, there's no excuses.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And well, Buffalo was better, Biblo's better. I don't think
with Buffalo sometimes I question whether they can get over
the hump with Sean McDermott, I don't question that because
John Harball's got a trophan.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
What about Lamark?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I love him?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I know in the regular season, what about Well, come on,
did he have a good playoff game?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Against the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I don't remember the exact numbers.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
How can what were they to forget? I'll call them up,
but like they've got to be missing something, Colin. They
keep coming up, so.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
They can't beat They can't beat Andy Reid and Mahomes. Okay,
and they they lost a Josh Allen in Buffalo. Okay,
worst numbers in the playoffs Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Against Buffalo, he was eighteen of twenty five for two
point fifty four. Yeah, two touchdowns, one interception, zach twice,
only rush for thirty nine yard and I believe he
had a fumble as well.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
His passer rating you think that matters?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah? What was it?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
One? Fourteen four?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It's interesting one of the greatest passer ratings ever in
playoff history.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
No, no, that's not accurate.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
But Colin he also had the fumble that was that
was brutal. Mark Andrews had to drop and Mark Andrews had.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
The fumble Mark Andrews had, and Mark Andrews would tell
you this his worst game is a pro. That was
a Mark you know, Mark. I love this.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
This is rich.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
This is rich.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Every postseason, it's somebody else. Oh well, we couldn't get
by the team. Mark Andrews had his worst game ever.
It's it's everybody except Lamar Jackson. At some point, doesn't
he have to put on the cape and be Superman
in a playoff game in genuine Oh yeah, he's never
done that, has he?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
In January? What? It's much easier to be Superman for
Jalen Hurt when you have the Eagles personnel.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Gosh, this is this sort of noise.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I always love this. This is always like. This is
like Buckeye fan, let's fire Ryan Day. Who else is
out there? I didn't say fire a lot of these knuckleheads
after that Michigan loss, Let's run him out of town.
Ohio State football is a big job, not any guy
at Toledo or Dayton, Ohio can b why you can
fill in.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Who are you gonna get who are you gonna hire
you to find somebody?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, get rid of Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Now listen, I'm not saying get rid of Lamar Jackson.
I was never a fire Ryan Day guy. I'm just
pointing out that Lamar at some point has to outplay
one of his contemporaries in a big playoff game in January.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, he was on his way to doing that. His
receivers stopped running up the sideline, He had a pick,
Mark Andrews fumbled, Mark Andrews dropped a ball. Seems like
to me, it wasn't It wasn't that way.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It seems like you're kind of sort of misremembering. Lamar
had an interception in the first half. He had a fumble.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
No, the fumble was on a terrible snap that he
had to be superman in recover, then got banged on
and lost the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
One We're playing the snap for the fubbble, and.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Then the receivers stopped running around the sideline. Receiver stopped running,
and then Mark Andrews. Okay, so Lamar i mean, hey, let.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Me tell you something can't go up, baby, Lamar. I
get easiest check to write every two weeks for the
Ravens is Lamar Jackson's check.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
He's a superstar.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I signed that check every day.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I have him as one of the four best quarterbacks
in the league. And but now you want to invite
all four.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, actually, Josh Allen has been to a conference championship,
but he hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Burrow's been there, Mahomes has obviously been there and won it.
I don't know or over under.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
One and a half super Bowl trips in his career
for Lamar Jackson over under one and a half over
do you think he's got two.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
In the future with Mahomes and Allen there and Herbert
on the come up.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Steve Young's in the Hall of Fame. Took him fourteen
seasons to win a title.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Well, he was a backup for early in his career,
and he came from like the USFL.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
You know, when you only started WI Sports seven eight
years ago. Sometimes you guys lose the ability to contextualize stuff.
I know some of you guys out there, you know,
twenty four years old, you think Michael Jordan never missed
a shot.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
This is one of these frisky, thirsty Thursdays that we're
having over here County, just really getting into it. Next up, Oh,
let's go to Aaron Rodgers, the man, the myth, the legend.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
The Jets are moving on from the bum four time.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
MVP has been linked to a few teams, namely the Raiders, Steelers, Niners, Saints.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
MaTx Crosby the Raiders says he wouldn't be mad about
the idea of Rogers joining him in Vegas. We got
some numbers of Aaron Rodgers compared to the Raiders quarterbacks
last season. Yeah, the Raiders had a poo poo platter
of QBS Gardner Minshew Aidan O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think there was some other guy in there.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Raiders need a quarterback, a number one wide receiver, and
a running back. They could get all of them by
the second round. They've got Their defense actually is all
banged up. They've Raiders are not. If you go back
and watch their two games. I talked to Chip Kelly
about this recently. Go watch the two games Raiders and
the Chiefs. They matched up with him very well. Well.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I tried to tell you the Chiefs were not great
this year. Despite the record, the sheets are not great
this year. I got a staffie on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
One of these guys dug it up.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Let me hear this.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
He starts with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Let me let me hear this. Who what? What guy's
dug it up?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
His name is Rich Simini. Covers the Jets for one
of these New York News things.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Eighteen starts for Rogers, six wins. However, one of them
he got a credited win when he got injured on
the fourth play against Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So in two years of the Jets he had five victories.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well for Aaron Rodgers five.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Matt Hackett, Jeff Ulbricht.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Blame everybody else?
Speaker 6 (28:46):
How was it?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
How was this team chef? Was he delivering a bad show?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's the producers.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
We blame the darkness retreat. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Coward?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
That's why I That's why I contend he's gonna go
and play again. Aaron does want that to be Listen,
careers or movies. You want the last scene to be
a pretty good one. You're gonna be hoisted in South.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, you want John l Way the end of his career.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
That's Derek Jeter, Kobe was sixty. You want something redeemable.
And I'll say at least not embarrassing. This is not
the way Aaron should end his career. And again I'll
say it, last ten starts last year. We love Jayden Daniels.
He had more touchdown passes last year than Jaden and Daniels.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So my last show here, whatever it is, you gonna
gotta be a collar is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
We're gonna be just you.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Gotta bring the hottest of hot take Scot Gunning beers
left and right.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Final story calls to the NBA, hey man, listen, this
Hawk's Knicks game last night.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Crazy was fascinating. Trey Young had.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Thirty eight and nineteen assists, but it wasn't enough. Jalen
Brunson the game winner with eleven seconds left in ot
for a one overtime win for the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Give me offense or give me death?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
What a game callin karl Anthontown, he said forty four.
Brunson had thirty six, And that, my friends, is basketball
in the garden.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean they don't match up with the Celtics. They
match up with everybody else. Carl Anthony Towns has always
been such a interesting guy. He is absolutely gifted. Offensively,
he is a total handful, a little quirky. Sometimes in
big spots he disappears. He's almost the opposite of Anthony Davis.
Where you know, Anthony Davis defensively, you know exactly what
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you get every night. Carl Anthony Towns, offensively, you're getting
something not quite sure, you get it every night, like
Anthony Davis. Like you know, he's great, but sometimes he'll
disappear for a half. Yeah, yeah, Carl Anthony's same thing.
But offensively, dude can bring it.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
He went forty plus back to back games. Listen, man,
I'm just people were down on the next early. They
had so many new players in their top eight, and
now they're.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Starting to hit their groove. I don't know that they're
better than.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
The Celtics, but I do think they're a They're gonna
go to the conference finals in the East.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
The Knicks. They should. Yeah, I think I'm not afraid
of the King.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I think, listen, I would take the Knicks over the Calves,
although I think I respect the Calves.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Cats are good. I'm just not afraid of them the
way I am the Celtics. Who are you know?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
When they are full, Celtics go after brunts and then
Karl Anthony.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Towns and they got Drew Holliday and Derek White like
those are two elite defenders on the perimeter.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And then Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
You know Tatum and then Size?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Are you coming around on Jason Tatum yet?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I watched the Celtics Spurs last night and what.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Did you think of Tatum?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
He's a very good players. What's funny? You don't like
Lamar Jackson, but but you love Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well, Jason Tatum delivers in the playoffs and it matters most.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I don't know that Lamar.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Has Celtics deliver in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Who led them three bounds that assist last year in
the playoffs. I'll give you a minute, go ahead to Google.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I don't know, okay, last Chat GPT it's Tatum.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
A year on that thing every day, aren't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
You Chat GBT? I subscribe to it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It's huge.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Any any project you need at your house Chat GBT
I like a sore throat.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
This week, Google it come up with some stuff. Bo
who needs to go to a AI is a fad
as a fat.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Just like the internet gods. That's Jack with the news.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Good stuff today, We've got some stuff. That Burrough story.
He is calling out the organization again. Remember during the
year we had said if you watched him at press conferences,
he was ticked off. So I mean, think about this.
I was looking this up this morning, this Joe Burrows story.
Think about this. So they are they are the poorest
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franchise in the league. Philadelphia has a GM, Howie Roseman,
and two assistant gms. The Bengals don't even have a GM.
They had the son of the owner is the VP
of personnel and then Dick Tubman is the director for personnel.
They don't have a real GM. So I mean Eagles
have like one of the best, if not the best,
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and two assistant gms. So again, Eagles have twenty one
scouts in their website. We look, Bengals have four. So
Joe Burrow to some degree is trapped. Think about this.
I'll say this. I think I absolutely think at some
point he'll demand to be traded. I really believe that
the Bengals this year had the quarterback. It's very hard
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to miss the playoffs when you have a great quarterback.
One team that happened this year, Cincinnati, It's virtually impossible.
Forty percent of the league goes to the playoffs. If
you have a great quarterback and a quarterback leap, you're
going to the playoffs. So the Bengals had the quarterback
that led the NFL in touchdowns, passing touchdowns, in passing yards.
They had the pass rusher that led the NFL in sacks,
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they had the receiver that led in catches, yards and touchdowns,
and they missed the playoffs. So this was Joe Burrow
last week on Breakfast Ball in New Orleans on wanting
to keep t Higgins.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, I do, I do.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
You know, we have the capsules to get it done,
and I know, you know, I want to make it happen.
Everybody involved, Trey, t Jamar, Mike Gee, we all want
to stay together. And so when you have guys that
are motivated like that, I think you know you can
get those things out.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
So they said, hey, we need you to restructure, and
some of you would consider not knowing what the numbers are.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
You belong to least have that type of conversation to
keep the core guys together.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
He's not being cranky, He's he's saying, guys, I'm watching
Philadelphia's roster, I'm watching San Francisco Detroit roster.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Pay Do you think the Bengals when they trade him
will give him the Luca treatment? Hey man, this guy
just was too whiny last season. He's into fashion. Go
to Milan, do your thing.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
We want to get out of the Joe Burrow business.
That's what the mav did with Luka Doncice.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Luca wasn't in shape, just took her to the finals
Colin like a few months ago.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
If they move off Burt one of the.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Bengals, what are the I mean Luca can leave the Mavericks.
They have ad Kyrie Lively, PJ Washington, Gafford.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
No Bengals got Jake Browning. He put together a good
four game straight.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
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Speaker 1 (36:37):
Have you seen how good the SEC is? You can
take You can take of the sixteen teams. You could
take the eighth or ninth team Kentucky and they're like
seventeen and seven. I mean, honestly, you can go to
the bottom of that conference. Some of the worst teams
have had big out of conference wins.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Look at you getting into college here.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
No, I mean, SEC is so much better than every
other conference right now. It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Well, Villanova and Yukon are down a little bit. I
know of a nice win last night. I don't know
who the best team in the country. Do you think
it's Auburn?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think the SEC is the best conference by a
long shot.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Cooper, Flag and Dupe. That's my still pick to win
it all?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I saw this an anonymous NFL executive. This is one
of the great strengths of the NFL. You can be
a laughing stock. I mean, Washington was a ten year
grease fire and the Houston Texans were a laughing stock. C. J. Stroud.
Jaden Daniels changes everything, and an executive said, because of
all the skills set he has, Jaden Daniels covers up
a lot of stink old line's not good shows the league.
(37:34):
What can happen when you have that guy. That's why
when I say, I think Matt Stafford to the New
York Giants their playoff team, And I don't think Matt
Stafford's it's naturally gifted athletically not close as Jaden Daniels is.
I don't think. I just it's quarterback is Obviously quarterback
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Mahomes has limitations if the old line camp block. But
you can't do this in any other sport, even college football.
You can't go from awful to great. Now Indiana, the
Indiana Hoosiers went from irrelevant to relevant, but when they
played Ohio State and Notre Dame, we discovered they were
you know, they were posers. They couldn't compete at the
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line of scrimmage with those teams, Notre Dame or Ohio State.
You can't do it in baseball. I mean you could
go out and you know the teams have tried, The
Mets have tried to buy wins. Very difficult usually as
a two or three year process. But I do think
j Mack probably doesn't agree with me. I think Matt
Stafford changes the Giants immediately. Now they're gonna have to
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pay him some money. You're gonna step up and pay
him money, so they don't want to give away a
lot of draft picks. We'll get to that top of
next hour. But I think it's a real thing. I
also think this Aaron Rodgers to the Rams thing, Albert Breer,
it's not crazy and just thought. You know, the AFC
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is the conference of superstar quarterbacks. The NFC is the
Conference of opportunity, and so Stafford to the Giants absolutely
makes them better and makes not only better, makes them viable.
They're not Philadelphia good, but they got the components we
always talk about, traits, star receiver, left tackle, good d line.
(39:17):
They're fine. Here was in my Aaron Rodgers to LA
There's no way Aaron Rodgers wants to end his career
with last year of the Jets. That's embarrassing. Not blaming Aaron,
it was embarrassing. Here's Albert Breer on that scenario.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I do think that he's got something to offer somebody
and look like the idea of playing in that system
for that coach, I think would appeal to any quarterback
for the same reason it appealed to Stafford. I'm back
in twenty twenty one. It would appeal to Aaron Rodgers.
The idea of going there. You got a good young
base of talent, you can build off of it. It's
got some of the things that Jets had when he
went there, and he'd be home in Los Angeles. The
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idea of like that musical quarterbacks thing that you're playing
out there where maybe staf is out.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
And Rogers in.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
It wouldn't solve the long term issue for the Rams,
but you know it is. It is a way to
band aid the problem in a different way.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I was told the Rams did not like Cooper Cup
going public with information that was supposed to be private,
that they were probably gonna move him, and Cooper Cup,
you know, raced over to his social media. RAMS didn't
like that at all. Well what are you saying, Well,
what do you expect him to do?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
He's ticked off.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
So what he's got making twenty six million a year
and he's a blocker.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
He's more than a blocker.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Come on, man, you're being a little harsh here he was,
didn't he loyalty doesn't matter to you, huh.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Not if I have a salary cap?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, so ask can we renegotiate?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Can we do can we do something to fix this
situation that's bordering on untenable? Don't you want to keep him?
I just don't understand it, because it's not just Cooper cup.
It ticked off Stafford. I told you about it at
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
His wife went on a podcast after all I know,
and kind of unloaded.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
And don't think that that wasn't by design to let
the Rams know we're tipped off.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Remember last was it last summer or two summers ago?
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It was before Pooka.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Right after he was drafted Stafford, his wife complained, Matt
doesn't connect with anybody in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
There's all these young people, right, let's going on there.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Let me ask you if Stafford was in Detroit forever,
he gets McVeigh stan cronk, best stadium in the league,
unbelievable treatment, stares the Pacific Ocean when he wakes up.
How about being happy a little?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Hey, he brought them a super Bowl. Don't don't forget that.
Don't Forget the no look pass into the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Jered Goff got him to one.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
And they lost.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
They got smoked.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
They couldn't score against the Patriots. Go look at all
the comeback Stafford had in the playoffs that year. Remember
the bomb against Tampa. Oh, that beautiful pass?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Who caught that? I think it was Cooper Cup. I'm
not sure, but I think it was Cooper Cup. Do
you just think you got to reward people for awesome
time served?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
You don't have to get him the Kobe Bryant contract
where you just totally shaft the future.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
But like Colin, I mean, geez, you're cold blooded.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Sometimes I doubt I knew you.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
In any business that has a salary cap. I can't
be your buddy. I'm given to you as taken away
from somebody else. Pragmatic Colin
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There's Matt Stafford news with the New York Giants, Aaron
Rodgers information as well. Albert Breer in five minutes is
going to join us. Uh, we got lost stuff. Chris
Brusard stopping by last hour. Good week with Chris Broussard.
Finally got over on old friend Nick Wright. Old Nick
(00:44):
had a bad, bad week so far. So sad to
see you hate to see. I hate to see that.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
She's losing Super Bowl here, devastating.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Devastating for the whole.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I don't how the community will bounce that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't a tough loss.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thirty four nothing, thirty four nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So I'm just reading an article this morning on the
top one hundred free agents in the NFL, and there's
a list of people out here, and I'll get to
this in a minute or two. I do think there's
one free agent that I would break the bank on
that one that I really really like. I break the bank.
I'll slow down, but I won that I would really
pursue if I was about six seven teams. I'll get
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to that in a second. But the biggest spenders in
free agency last year were the Titans, the Panthers, and
the Falcons. And I kind of liked what Atlanta did.
But there's a real separation between good GM and bad GM.
Last year. A good GM got Baker Jason Light, A
good GM got Bond and Saquon Barkley. Josh Jacobs went
to the Packers. Mark Goudenkoum's excellent move. So some smart
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gms last year, some transformational players. I mean Josh Jacobs
changed the offense for the Packers. That was a great get.
The draft is how you scout college players free agents
see is how you scout NFL players. Now the Eagles
do both very well. The Patriots did very poorly in
the college draft the last six seven years of Belichick.
So a prime example, here's a guy that you know,
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I love Sam Darnald, but getting Sam Donald last year
in free agency was great. You paid him nothing. In Minnesota,
you had a great left tackle, great receivers, and a
very smart offensive coach in a division with no great defenses.
I thought Sam Darnold was a great pickup for Minnesota,
and he had a rookie quarterback that you would prefer
he could sit and watch a veteran for a year.
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But Sam Donald now is a free agent scares me
because now you're gonna have to pay him thirty seven
million dollars and he's not going to get an offensive
coach I would guess as good as Kevin O'Connell, and
he's not getting Justin Jefferson right, and he's probably not
getting as good as left tackle. So I like Sam Darnald,
but it's a cautionary tale. He was a great free
agent at that price point, and that situation from Minnesota,
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I'm not sure. You know, I think with Chip Kelly
and they have good a good left tackle, but you know,
like for instance, they don't have they don't have the
weapons on the outside in Vegas that they did in Minnesota.
There is no Justin Jefferson. They have Jacoby Myers. That's it.
So the player that I think is fascinating that I
would pay for is T Higgins. Now, I think he's
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either a low end one or the best two in
the league. But I bought it was the Chargers, I'd
go get him. If I was the Patriots, I'd go
get him. If I was Washington, I would go get him.
I like T Higgins a lot. Cincinnati's cheap, they always
have been. They pay Burrow, they'll pay Jamar Chase. I
don't think they'll pay him. He is a pro. I
think he's pretty durable. He's got good hands. Now, the
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thing you worry about a little bit is Jamar Chase
gets double team, so he usually gets the second best
corner or the third best corner. But I found was
it last year that Jamar Chase got hurt or the
year before? T Higgins stepped up as a one and
was very good. He was very very good going against
number one corners. So this is the free agent I
see this list of guys. There's a lot of guys
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I like. I'm not spending big money for to Higgins.
I'd spend money for. I'm not gonna name names. A
lot of those guys like him. Don't love them not
spending big money. And again last year Titans, big spenders
in free agency. Not good. Remember a sneed the corner
for Kansas City. Kansas City's like see you Titans, like
we love you. Didn't do anything, didn't do anything. So
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he'd just be very very careful with that. Senior NFL
reporter Monday morning, quarterback Albert Brier stopping by. Okay, so
Jmack mentioned it last week and I was like, whatever,
I was worried about the super Bowl, and now all
of a sudden, I'm reading you. And then I made
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a call yesterday and people said, no, no, the Stafford
Giants things. There's there's meat on the bone here. Listen
Da Boll and Joe Shane Albert. If for no other
reason they've got a win, he gives them immediate utibility,
does he not? If I staid to you, fifty to fifty,
is that a reasonable percentage on if it could happen
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or not Stafford of the Giants, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
If it's fifty to fifty. I think if if it
were up to the Giants, it might be greater than that.
The Giants have already been aggressive about looking at their options,
both in the veteran market and obviously with the way.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
They've scattered quarterbacks over the last three.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Or four months, so they are looking at every option,
turning over every rock.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Really so much this boils down to where the negotiation
goes with the Rams, and I think a lot of
that probably starts to crystallize when we get to the
combine in Indianapolis in a couple of weeks. And you know,
if you want to look at what that's about, well,
you know, like look at what they did during the
last offseason. They there's a very difficult negotiation, took six
months for them to find resolution. They move five million
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dollars forward into twenty twenty four, guarantee all of his money,
remove all the guarantees for twenty twenty five and beyond,
and then agree that they're going to revisit it. Now
they're at the point where they need revisited. So what
determines whether or not Stafford's going to be there? How
much does Matthew Stafford want, how much of it's going
to be guaranteed. On the flip side, are the Rams,
who are very young now able to get a commitment
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from Matthew Stafford that he's more than just year to
year that he's going to play the next.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Two or three years.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think all these things will play into how that
thing winds up breaking down with the Rams.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Again, there's some water under the bridge there.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
The negotiation wasn't easy last year, right, and now we'll
see where they go. I think Sean McVay would love
to have Matthew Stafford back in twenty twenty five. But
the team looks a lot different than it did a
couple of years ago. And I will say, if they
decide they're open for business on Stafford, somebody's willing to
give him a first round.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Pick and maybe something else, I think they listen.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And again, the Giants have been very, very aggressive and
looking at quarterback options.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I think Stafford would be one for them.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
And Stafford, remember has some background in that Patriot style
of offense.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Haven't played for that Patricia in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah. And also I think it's made it public that
he loves Cooper Cup Hooper Cup. I was told the
Rams didn't love that he went public with something they
were trying to keep private. So it's gotten to be
a little turbulent there. Now I'm gonna throw this at you.
I do believe you. Watch Peyton Manning go to Denver
and win a title. Stafford LA title, Tom Brady Tampa title.
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I do not believe Aaron Rodgers wants it to end
like this. He leaves Green Bay, they get better, and
the Jets is a disaster. I think he needs a
third act. I honestly, with a second tier coaching staff.
Last year he was pretty damn good in the last
ten games, and that was not a good staff. That
was interim coach it was. I mean, it just wasn't
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a good staff. I'm just gonna throw this out there.
I'm the Rams. I get a number one pick. I
can trade it down, accumulate picks for next year's draft
to get a quarterback. I don't think it's crazy airin
to the Rams rent a quarterback. I don't think it's nuts.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Am I nuts there?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yes? I think he goes to LA for a year
or two. By the way, Aaron is dying for stability,
a head coachy respects, and I think he looks at
mcveighon thinks, you know his brother, Lafleur's brothers the OC.
It makes sense to.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Me, Well, let's look back at what you know, what
Aaron's you know, where Aaron's head is at too.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
I mean he told me it was a couple of
weeks ago before the.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Season that he didn't want to go out like that
after the Achilles injury, and that was one reason why
he was coming back for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
And you wanted to have not one but two good years.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And everything that he said, everything he's messaged, would tell
you that he will come back because going out the
way that he went out with the Jets this year's
worse than going out with the Achilles, right, like going
out with the team that's playing out the string.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
And I do think he's got something left.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I've talked to some people who have studied him, have
just didn't just watch him, have studied him.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
You know, one pro.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Scouting director said, if you go back and you look
at that Jacksonville game, you can see a guy who
still sees and thinks the game at a very high
level and the guy who can still really throw it.
And here too, coming back off the Achilles, for a
quarterback of his age should be better than year one.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Coming back off the Achilles.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
So I do think that he's got something to offer somebody,
and look like the idea of playing in that system
for that coach. I think would appeal to any quarterback
for the same reason it appealed to Stafford. I'm back
in twenty twenty one. It would appeal to Aaron Rodgers
the idea of going there. You got a good young
base of talent, you can build off of it. It's
got some of the things that Jets had when he
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went there, and he'd be home in Los Angeles. I
don't think they'd be the only team to be interested.
I think Pittsburgh would have an interest in him, you know,
the Giants. I don't know if the Jets would let
that happen, but if they released them, they wouldn't have
any control over it. The Giants that they could have
an interest. The Browns could have an interest. I think
there will be interested in Aaron Rodgers and the idea
of like that musical quarterbacks thing that you're playing out
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there where maybe Stafford is out and Rogers is in.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
It wouldn't solve the long term issue for the.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Rams, but you know it is. It is a way
to band aid the problem in a different way.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, it's really really interesting. I've said this. I thought
Darnell was a great pick up last year circumstantially good
left tackle, Justin Jefferson, weak defensive division, Kevin O'Connell. Low expectations.
Let JJ McCarthy bake on the free agent market, you know,
paying him forty it may be a different ballgame. The
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Raiders is interesting. They do not have an elite weapon
on the outside. Chip Kelly stable coach at Colton Miller,
left tackle, two excellent tight ends, Donald Vegas. He's a
he's a West Coast kid. Do you think they'd make
a run at him? Do you think that's viable for
the Raiders?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I think it's, I guess, a really good fit.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I think because of what.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Sam Darnold is as a quarterback and a guy you
want to get You want to get him playing fast,
you want to maximize his athleticism, you know, I think
he would fit with Chip Kelly's trying to build out
there offensively. And look, I think too many people are
looking at Sam Darnold the wrong way, right, which is like,
if you sign him to a Baker Mayfield type of contract,
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say one hundred over three, one hundred and ten over three,
whatever the number is, Like, okay, Like that's it. That's
our quarterback going forward. Why couldn't he be what Alex
Smith was for Andy Reid in Kansas City, where he
was a really good quarterback who got you to the
playoffs a bunch and bought you time to find Patrick Mahomes,
especially in a year when there's probably not an answer
in the draft where the.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Raiders are picking, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So I think the idea of bringing in Donald as
sort of this short term, long term bridge that gives
you some flexibility that fits the offense you're trying to build,
makes a ton of sense. I think he could make
some sense for the Rams too, if they do wind
up moving on from Stafford, because he does have experience
in that offense.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
He played for Kevin O'Connell, who worked.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Under Sean McVay, and then he played for Kyle shanahan
in San Francisco. So I think Vegas and the Rams,
if they were to move on from Stafford, would be
good landing spots for Donald. The question, of course, whether
or not they let him go. The Vikings are very
comfortable with JJ McCarthy right now. There is a little
question about him putting some weight back on, so that's
something you have to watch over the next few weeks.
But you know, they really like what they've seen from
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JJ McCarthy. He pushed Donald and August he needed at
least a conversation in August. So I think what the
Vikings do here as they probably say to Sam, go
see what's out there for you. We'd love to have
you back. Please give us a chance to match or
have a discussion after you get some offers. But if
they have to go forward with JJ McCarthy, I think
they're comfortable with that. Again, provide that he can get
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his weight and strength back coming back off the knee injury.
And you know, I think going forward now like Sam
Darnold's going to have some opportunity out there, maybe at
the Baker Mayfield level of contract.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I want to ask you about this, what the Giants
are telling you with the number three pick, this interest
in stafford Is and Donald. We don't love the quarterbacks,
and I think Shadour is better than people are thinking.
But I am I'm telling you you sniff around on this.
I've had people tell me they think the best player
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is that wide receiver at Arizona or Carter from Penn State. Like,
it's just not a quarterback class that you want to
put your arms around. What are you hearing on? This
is there? Do you think we'll have movement? Do the
Titans take a quarterback? It's very easy to argue the Titans, Browns,
Giants would take quarterbacks in most drafts. I could see
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all of them trading down Albert.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah. Well, but the question becomes them, what are you
coming up for? You know?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
The consensus I've gotten from teams is there are two
blue chip players in the draft. I think it's Abdul Carter,
the edge rusher from Penn State, and then two way
star of course, the Heisman winner Travis Hunter from Colorado.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
And there are varying.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Opinions on guys like the one you mentioned, Tetero McMillan
from Arizona, Will Johnson and Mason Graham from Michigan, Will
Campbell from LSU, Jalen Walker from Georgia.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
There are a lot of.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
There's a big variance of opinions as far as I
can tell so far. I've made all my calls, obviously,
Yet there are big variants of opinions on those guys.
So the question becomes, then, yes, I mean there are
going to be teams that the Titans at one the
Patriots at four, the Jaguars at five. All those teams
could look to move down, right, And I think all
those teams will look to move down. The question is
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what's somebody coming up for?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Are they coming up for Abdua Carter when Jalen Locker
or Michael Williams is there for them later in the
top ten. Are they coming up for Travis Hunter when
they could get maybe Will Johnson later in the top ten?
Are they coming up for one of the quarterbacks? And
that's what I think is key about the top of
the draft is how hot does cam Ward get? How
hot does Shador Sanders get? And how far separate are
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those two guys from what maybe Jackson Dart from Old
Miss is going to be at the top of the
second round. To me, that determines the value of the draft,
and so are the value of those picks at the top.
And so I think for guys, for teams like the Titans,
like the Patriots, like the Jaguars that could look to
move down, you have to be rooting for the quarterbacks
to get hot. Otherwise I don't know that those picks
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at the top of the draft can have the kind
of value that's going to attract teams to come up
and get them.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know, I gotta throw this out there people. I
think fans tend to think all these owners are billionaires
and they're all on a rigid salary cap. But the
difference between the money that the Eagles generate even on
game day and what the Bengals do. I mean, I
went to the website this morning. The Eagles have twenty
one scouts in their scouting department. If you go to
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the Bengals website, they have four. Joe Burrow has made
three public comments about T Higgins. Yep, I don't think
they're going to pay him. I think Joe Burrow and
for the record, we've seen their top players, I mean
Jamar Chase Hendricks. I mean, this team had the best
quarterback statistically, the best edge rusher, and the best receiver
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who hit the triple Crown, and they don't seem happy.
What do you make of all these borough public comments?
Because my guess is they will not pay Higgins.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
They're the most intriguing team this offseason to me, and
what they do I think could be as pivotal to
their next decade as any team in the NFL. Over
the next two, three, four or five months. Joe Burrow
is one of the smartest players I've ever been around.
He's one of the savviest players I've ever been around.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
He's the son of a coach.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
He's the little brother of two guys who are linebackers
in Nebraska. He's been around big time football his entire life.
He played for two major programs, won in a national
championship in college, played in a Super Bowl in his
second year. He's seen a lot for a guy his age,
and he's aware, and he was aware when you know,
when he came out in twenty twenty of what the
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Bengals are and what the Bengals have been historically over
the years, and the willingness of Mike Brown to spend
on his roster, to spend on his operation.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
He's lived in.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
You know, it took forever them for them to get
an indoor facility built, and that happened just recently, but
that it took a long time for a team that's
playing in the climate of the Cincinnati is to have
a place where they could practice with a roof over
their heads. So, I mean, I think he knows what's
at stake here. I think he wants to compete for
championships in the worst way. I think that is his
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singular focus and priority. And I don't think it's any
mistake that he said the things that he said over
the last two weeks. In fact, Colin, if you go
back and you look over the last four or five months,
he's been saying this stuff for a while. Yes, he's
been going to bat for Jamar Chase. He's been going
to bat for Trey Hendrickson, He's been going to bat
for t Higgins to try to keep those guys together.
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And I just think Joe know is the score here.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Joe knows what it's.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Going to take to compete for a championship in the AFC.
When you've got the Chiefs and the Bills and the
Ravens that you're competing against for the foreseeable future. You
need players and you need talent, and it takes more
than just a quarterback. And I think Joe is you know,
for my money, if there's a quarterback you take over
the next ten years, I think it's those two.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
It's Patrick Mahomes and Joe.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Burrow, and the Bengals have a precious commodity on their hands.
They need to listen to their quarterback here, and they
need to work with their quarterback to get what he
wants done done. And I'm not saying that you should
cut Kauto out to every single demand that every player has,
but I think to keep him happy over the next
ten years and to compete for championships the next ten years,
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they need to do some of the things that he's
asking them to do. And they're smart people in that
building who I think will find.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
A way to get that done.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
But it's a very critical offseason.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
When it comes to that stuff for the Bengals, no
doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And by the way, the Patriots, the Commanders, and the
Chargers would be better teams tomorrow with T Higgins. So
it's like you can let T go. He has absolutely
got a great market.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
If you think about the Chargers, Colin right, the Chargers,
Now you got your receiver, you got Joe Walton, Rashaun Slater, tackle,
Justin Herbert. Maybe a draft like maybe you trade up
in draft ash and and now all of a sudden
you're rolling. You know, there are a lot of teams
that could look at T Higgins and you're assuming he's
not going to be Alvin Harper in the mid nineties.
I heard you talking about this in the way and
where the number two becomes number one, and it's not
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the same thing, And that's obviously a projection. But I
think Higgins has got the chops to be a number
one receiver. It's a number one receiver. And so yeah,
there's a lot on the line for Cincinnati here. There
are teams that would be lining up to take their
shot at T. Higgins if he becomes available in the
middle of March.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, not all free agents are equal, that's for sure.
Albert Buruza is Monday morning quarterback. Good seeing your body
all right?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
You too?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, it's yeah, he's really good. No getting around that.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's like it's like you're the T Higgins. You're a one.
When I leave, you show everybody you get like twelve
targets and ten catches, no doubt about it. It's got
to make sure the people upstairs.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Understand that, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's the key. Wow, I wonder if we're better run
than the Bengals. I'll tell you that. I'm really not
picking on the Bengals. But when you're in a division
with Lamar Jackson in Baltimore's organization. That's the standard. I'm
gonna hold you Tony.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You haven't used this phrase in a while, but buttoned up.
It feels like the Bengals is just loosey goosey.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I just don't think they have the money. Do you
know if you take out the Packers that don't have
an owner, they have the porest owners.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You you sure they only have four scouts?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Go to the website. Four and I think one of
them works on the website. Wow, No, I mean Philadelphia.
People forget this in the NFL. The difference between the
Rams game day revenue, Like Eagles have huge game day revenue.
I was told that when the Rams moved, there's not
a lot of money in Saint Louis for Insta's orsons
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in ed there's no no So when the Rams moved
to LA from Saint Louis, everybody was banging on stan Kronky.
I was told that even at the Coliseum, which is
a college stadium, and it wasn't they didn't have Swedes,
they didn't have anything. The Rams made more money in
a temporary college football stadium on game day than the
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Saint Louis Rams made in an NFL stadium. Now, So
now what do you think SOFI generates on game day? Dude,
if you go to Sofi Stadium, there must be twelve
different places to drink and eat like they have. I
mean every deck has just got place.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
One of the newest stadiums in the country. It's it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I mean there's like how many restaurants in that place.
It is just a revenue center. So and then you
got places like Cincinnati where they had to sell stadium
naming rights just to pay for Burls contract. Like it's
if you think everybody's dealing with the same stuff here.
You know what the Raiders, by the way, suddenly do
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you know why the Raiders keep firing coaches and gms
because they have two new people that bought into the franchise.
So Mark Davis is now suddenly infused with massive cash,
and uh, you know that's why the Race are like,
let's pay for Pete Carroll, Let's get rid of this guy.
They suddenly they've got in their infuse. They used to
be more along the lines of the Bengals, didn't have
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a lot of money. Now they've got new ownership, revenue
flying in. Raiders are rich that's the way it works.
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Speaker 3 (22:49):
If the audience only new Let's get started with Lamar
Jackson and the Ravens. I don't know this is written
as they came up short in the postseason, but I
was not impressed with that game against Buffalo. You know,
I know they had the turnovers, but Baltimore, which looked
awesome for most of the season, really kind of disappointed
in that playoff loss. And now they have the fourth
best odds to win the Super Bowl next year. In
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a recent interview, There's superstar safety Kyle Hamilton said the
Ravens have everything you want to win a championship, adding
I've had so many people ask me what the Ravens
are missing.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I'm like, literally nothing, there's no excuses.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And well, Buffalo was better, Biblo's better. I don't think
with Buffalo sometimes I question whether they can get over
the hump with Sean McDermott, I don't question that because
John Harball's got a trophan.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
What about Lamark?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I love him?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I know in the regular season, what about Well, come on,
did he have a good playoff game?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Against the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I don't remember the exact numbers.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
How can what were they to forget? I'll call them up,
but like they've got to be missing something, Colin. They
keep coming up, so.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
They can't beat They can't beat Andy Reid and Mahomes. Okay,
and they they lost a Josh Allen in Buffalo. Okay,
worst numbers in the playoffs Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Against Buffalo, he was eighteen of twenty five for two
point fifty four. Yeah, two touchdowns, one interception, zach twice,
only rush for thirty nine yard and I believe he
had a fumble as well.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
His passer rating you think that matters?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah? What was it?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
One? Fourteen four?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It's interesting one of the greatest passer ratings ever in
playoff history.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
No, no, that's not accurate.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
But Colin he also had the fumble that was that
was brutal. Mark Andrews had to drop and Mark Andrews had.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
The fumble Mark Andrews had, and Mark Andrews would tell
you this his worst game is a pro. That was
a Mark you know, Mark. I love this.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
This is rich.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
This is rich.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Every postseason, it's somebody else. Oh well, we couldn't get
by the team. Mark Andrews had his worst game ever.
It's it's everybody except Lamar Jackson. At some point, doesn't
he have to put on the cape and be Superman
in a playoff game in genuine Oh yeah, he's never
done that, has he?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
In January? What? It's much easier to be Superman for
Jalen Hurt when you have the Eagles personnel.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Gosh, this is this sort of noise.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I always love this. This is always like. This is
like Buckeye fan, let's fire Ryan Day. Who else is
out there? I didn't say fire a lot of these knuckleheads
after that Michigan loss, Let's run him out of town.
Ohio State football is a big job, not any guy
at Toledo or Dayton, Ohio can b why you can
fill in.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Who are you gonna get who are you gonna hire
you to find somebody?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, get rid of Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Now listen, I'm not saying get rid of Lamar Jackson.
I was never a fire Ryan Day guy. I'm just
pointing out that Lamar at some point has to outplay
one of his contemporaries in a big playoff game in January.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, he was on his way to doing that. His
receivers stopped running up the sideline, He had a pick,
Mark Andrews fumbled, Mark Andrews dropped a ball. Seems like
to me, it wasn't It wasn't that way.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It seems like you're kind of sort of misremembering. Lamar
had an interception in the first half. He had a fumble.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
No, the fumble was on a terrible snap that he
had to be superman in recover, then got banged on
and lost the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
One We're playing the snap for the fubbble, and.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Then the receivers stopped running around the sideline. Receiver stopped running,
and then Mark Andrews. Okay, so Lamar i mean, hey, let.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Me tell you something can't go up, baby, Lamar. I
get easiest check to write every two weeks for the
Ravens is Lamar Jackson's check.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
He's a superstar.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I signed that check every day.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I have him as one of the four best quarterbacks
in the league. And but now you want to invite
all four.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, actually, Josh Allen has been to a conference championship,
but he hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Burrow's been there, Mahomes has obviously been there and won it.
I don't know or over under.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
One and a half super Bowl trips in his career
for Lamar Jackson over under one and a half over
do you think he's got two.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
In the future with Mahomes and Allen there and Herbert
on the come up.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Steve Young's in the Hall of Fame. Took him fourteen
seasons to win a title.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Well, he was a backup for early in his career,
and he came from like the USFL.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
You know, when you only started WI Sports seven eight
years ago. Sometimes you guys lose the ability to contextualize stuff.
I know some of you guys out there, you know,
twenty four years old, you think Michael Jordan never missed
a shot.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
This is one of these frisky, thirsty Thursdays that we're
having over here County, just really getting into it. Next up, Oh,
let's go to Aaron Rodgers, the man, the myth, the legend.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
The Jets are moving on from the bum four time.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
MVP has been linked to a few teams, namely the Raiders, Steelers, Niners, Saints.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
MaTx Crosby the Raiders says he wouldn't be mad about
the idea of Rogers joining him in Vegas. We got
some numbers of Aaron Rodgers compared to the Raiders quarterbacks
last season. Yeah, the Raiders had a poo poo platter
of QBS Gardner Minshew Aidan O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think there was some other guy in there.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Raiders need a quarterback, a number one wide receiver, and
a running back. They could get all of them by
the second round. They've got Their defense actually is all
banged up. They've Raiders are not. If you go back
and watch their two games. I talked to Chip Kelly
about this recently. Go watch the two games Raiders and
the Chiefs. They matched up with him very well. Well.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I tried to tell you the Chiefs were not great
this year. Despite the record, the sheets are not great
this year. I got a staffie on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
One of these guys dug it up.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Let me hear this.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
He starts with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Let me let me hear this. Who what? What guy's
dug it up?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
His name is Rich Simini. Covers the Jets for one
of these New York News things.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Eighteen starts for Rogers, six wins. However, one of them
he got a credited win when he got injured on
the fourth play against Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So in two years of the Jets he had five victories.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well for Aaron Rodgers five.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Matt Hackett, Jeff Ulbricht.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Blame everybody else?
Speaker 6 (28:46):
How was it?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
How was this team chef? Was he delivering a bad show?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's the producers.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
We blame the darkness retreat. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Coward?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
That's why I That's why I contend he's gonna go
and play again. Aaron does want that to be Listen,
careers or movies. You want the last scene to be
a pretty good one. You're gonna be hoisted in South.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, you want John l Way the end of his career.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
That's Derek Jeter, Kobe was sixty. You want something redeemable.
And I'll say at least not embarrassing. This is not
the way Aaron should end his career. And again I'll
say it, last ten starts last year. We love Jayden Daniels.
He had more touchdown passes last year than Jaden and Daniels.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So my last show here, whatever it is, you gonna
gotta be a collar is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
We're gonna be just you.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Gotta bring the hottest of hot take Scot Gunning beers
left and right.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Final story calls to the NBA, hey man, listen, this
Hawk's Knicks game last night.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Crazy was fascinating. Trey Young had.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Thirty eight and nineteen assists, but it wasn't enough. Jalen
Brunson the game winner with eleven seconds left in ot
for a one overtime win for the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Give me offense or give me death?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
What a game callin karl Anthontown, he said forty four.
Brunson had thirty six, And that, my friends, is basketball
in the garden.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean they don't match up with the Celtics. They
match up with everybody else. Carl Anthony Towns has always
been such a interesting guy. He is absolutely gifted. Offensively,
he is a total handful, a little quirky. Sometimes in
big spots he disappears. He's almost the opposite of Anthony Davis.
Where you know, Anthony Davis defensively, you know exactly what
(30:30):
you get every night. Carl Anthony Towns, offensively, you're getting
something not quite sure, you get it every night, like
Anthony Davis. Like you know, he's great, but sometimes he'll
disappear for a half. Yeah, yeah, Carl Anthony's same thing.
But offensively, dude can bring it.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
He went forty plus back to back games. Listen, man,
I'm just people were down on the next early. They
had so many new players in their top eight, and
now they're.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Starting to hit their groove. I don't know that they're
better than.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
The Celtics, but I do think they're a They're gonna
go to the conference finals in the East.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
The Knicks. They should. Yeah, I think I'm not afraid
of the King.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I think, listen, I would take the Knicks over the Calves,
although I think I respect the Calves.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Cats are good. I'm just not afraid of them the
way I am the Celtics. Who are you know?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
When they are full, Celtics go after brunts and then
Karl Anthony.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Towns and they got Drew Holliday and Derek White like
those are two elite defenders on the perimeter.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And then Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
You know Tatum and then Size?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Are you coming around on Jason Tatum yet?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I watched the Celtics Spurs last night and what.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Did you think of Tatum?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
He's a very good players. What's funny? You don't like
Lamar Jackson, but but you love Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well, Jason Tatum delivers in the playoffs and it matters most.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I don't know that Lamar.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Has Celtics deliver in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Who led them three bounds that assist last year in
the playoffs. I'll give you a minute, go ahead to Google.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I don't know, okay, last Chat GPT it's Tatum.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
A year on that thing every day, aren't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
You Chat GBT? I subscribe to it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It's huge.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Any any project you need at your house Chat GBT
I like a sore throat.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
This week, Google it come up with some stuff. Bo
who needs to go to a AI is a fad
as a fat.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Just like the internet gods. That's Jack with the news.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Good stuff today, We've got some stuff. That Burrough story.
He is calling out the organization again. Remember during the
year we had said if you watched him at press conferences,
he was ticked off. So I mean, think about this.
I was looking this up this morning, this Joe Burrows story.
Think about this. So they are they are the poorest
(32:44):
franchise in the league. Philadelphia has a GM, Howie Roseman,
and two assistant gms. The Bengals don't even have a GM.
They had the son of the owner is the VP
of personnel and then Dick Tubman is the director for personnel.
They don't have a real GM. So I mean Eagles
have like one of the best, if not the best,
(33:06):
and two assistant gms. So again, Eagles have twenty one
scouts in their website. We look, Bengals have four. So
Joe Burrow to some degree is trapped. Think about this.
I'll say this. I think I absolutely think at some
point he'll demand to be traded. I really believe that
the Bengals this year had the quarterback. It's very hard
(33:27):
to miss the playoffs when you have a great quarterback.
One team that happened this year, Cincinnati, It's virtually impossible.
Forty percent of the league goes to the playoffs. If
you have a great quarterback and a quarterback leap, you're
going to the playoffs. So the Bengals had the quarterback
that led the NFL in touchdowns, passing touchdowns, in passing yards.
They had the pass rusher that led the NFL in sacks,
(33:48):
they had the receiver that led in catches, yards and touchdowns,
and they missed the playoffs. So this was Joe Burrow
last week on Breakfast Ball in New Orleans on wanting
to keep t Higgins.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, I do, I do.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
You know, we have the capsules to get it done,
and I know, you know, I want to make it happen.
Everybody involved, Trey, t Jamar, Mike Gee, we all want
to stay together. And so when you have guys that
are motivated like that, I think you know you can
get those things out.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
So they said, hey, we need you to restructure, and
some of you would consider not knowing what the numbers are.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
You belong to least have that type of conversation to
keep the core guys together.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
He's not being cranky, He's he's saying, guys, I'm watching
Philadelphia's roster, I'm watching San Francisco Detroit roster.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Pay Do you think the Bengals when they trade him
will give him the Luca treatment? Hey man, this guy
just was too whiny last season. He's into fashion. Go
to Milan, do your thing.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
We want to get out of the Joe Burrow business.
That's what the mav did with Luka Doncice.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Luca wasn't in shape, just took her to the finals
Colin like a few months ago.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
If they move off Burt one of the.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Bengals, what are the I mean Luca can leave the Mavericks.
They have ad Kyrie Lively, PJ Washington, Gafford.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
No Bengals got Jake Browning. He put together a good
four game straight.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
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Speaker 1 (36:37):
Have you seen how good the SEC is? You can
take You can take of the sixteen teams. You could
take the eighth or ninth team Kentucky and they're like
seventeen and seven. I mean, honestly, you can go to
the bottom of that conference. Some of the worst teams
have had big out of conference wins.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Look at you getting into college here.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
No, I mean, SEC is so much better than every
other conference right now. It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Well, Villanova and Yukon are down a little bit. I
know of a nice win last night. I don't know
who the best team in the country. Do you think
it's Auburn?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think the SEC is the best conference by a
long shot.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Cooper, Flag and Dupe. That's my still pick to win
it all?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I saw this an anonymous NFL executive. This is one
of the great strengths of the NFL. You can be
a laughing stock. I mean, Washington was a ten year
grease fire and the Houston Texans were a laughing stock. C. J. Stroud.
Jaden Daniels changes everything, and an executive said, because of
all the skills set he has, Jaden Daniels covers up
a lot of stink old line's not good shows the league.
(37:34):
What can happen when you have that guy. That's why
when I say, I think Matt Stafford to the New
York Giants their playoff team, And I don't think Matt
Stafford's it's naturally gifted athletically not close as Jaden Daniels is.
I don't think. I just it's quarterback is Obviously quarterback
(37:54):
Mahomes has limitations if the old line camp block. But
you can't do this in any other sport, even college football.
You can't go from awful to great. Now Indiana, the
Indiana Hoosiers went from irrelevant to relevant, but when they
played Ohio State and Notre Dame, we discovered they were
you know, they were posers. They couldn't compete at the
(38:15):
line of scrimmage with those teams, Notre Dame or Ohio State.
You can't do it in baseball. I mean you could
go out and you know the teams have tried, The
Mets have tried to buy wins. Very difficult usually as
a two or three year process. But I do think
j Mack probably doesn't agree with me. I think Matt
Stafford changes the Giants immediately. Now they're gonna have to
(38:37):
pay him some money. You're gonna step up and pay
him money, so they don't want to give away a
lot of draft picks. We'll get to that top of
next hour. But I think it's a real thing. I
also think this Aaron Rodgers to the Rams thing, Albert Breer,
it's not crazy and just thought. You know, the AFC
(38:57):
is the conference of superstar quarterbacks. The NFC is the
Conference of opportunity, and so Stafford to the Giants absolutely
makes them better and makes not only better, makes them viable.
They're not Philadelphia good, but they got the components we
always talk about, traits, star receiver, left tackle, good d line.
(39:17):
They're fine. Here was in my Aaron Rodgers to LA
There's no way Aaron Rodgers wants to end his career
with last year of the Jets. That's embarrassing. Not blaming Aaron,
it was embarrassing. Here's Albert Breer on that scenario.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I do think that he's got something to offer somebody
and look like the idea of playing in that system
for that coach, I think would appeal to any quarterback
for the same reason it appealed to Stafford. I'm back
in twenty twenty one. It would appeal to Aaron Rodgers.
The idea of going there. You got a good young
base of talent, you can build off of it. It's
got some of the things that Jets had when he
went there, and he'd be home in Los Angeles. The
(39:56):
idea of like that musical quarterbacks thing that you're playing
out there where maybe staf is out.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
And Rogers in.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
It wouldn't solve the long term issue for the Rams,
but you know it is. It is a way to
band aid the problem in a different way.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I was told the Rams did not like Cooper Cup
going public with information that was supposed to be private,
that they were probably gonna move him, and Cooper Cup,
you know, raced over to his social media. RAMS didn't
like that at all. Well what are you saying, Well,
what do you expect him to do?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
He's ticked off.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
So what he's got making twenty six million a year
and he's a blocker.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
He's more than a blocker.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Come on, man, you're being a little harsh here he was,
didn't he loyalty doesn't matter to you, huh.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Not if I have a salary cap?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, so ask can we renegotiate?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Can we do can we do something to fix this
situation that's bordering on untenable? Don't you want to keep him?
I just don't understand it, because it's not just Cooper cup.
It ticked off Stafford. I told you about it at
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
His wife went on a podcast after all I know,
and kind of unloaded.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
And don't think that that wasn't by design to let
the Rams know we're tipped off.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Remember last was it last summer or two summers ago?
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It was before Pooka.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Right after he was drafted Stafford, his wife complained, Matt
doesn't connect with anybody in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
There's all these young people, right, let's going on there.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Let me ask you if Stafford was in Detroit forever,
he gets McVeigh stan cronk, best stadium in the league,
unbelievable treatment, stares the Pacific Ocean when he wakes up.
How about being happy a little?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Hey, he brought them a super Bowl. Don't don't forget that.
Don't Forget the no look pass into the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Jered Goff got him to one.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
And they lost.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
They got smoked.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
They couldn't score against the Patriots. Go look at all
the comeback Stafford had in the playoffs that year. Remember
the bomb against Tampa. Oh, that beautiful pass?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Who caught that? I think it was Cooper Cup. I'm
not sure, but I think it was Cooper Cup. Do
you just think you got to reward people for awesome
time served?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
You don't have to get him the Kobe Bryant contract
where you just totally shaft the future.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
But like Colin, I mean, geez, you're cold blooded.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Sometimes I doubt I knew you.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
In any business that has a salary cap. I can't
be your buddy. I'm given to you as taken away
from somebody else. Pragmatic Colin
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