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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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All right. Fresh off a week vacation, which was a
semi vacation, I went to Montecito, which is up north
of LA by about an hour and a half and

(00:23):
hung out with my wife for about four days. Then
we went to Chicago, where we just were, you know,
fixing a new house. As people know, I'm moving some
of my stuff there and so most people go to
Sun and Golf. I went into like twelve degrees, but
I had a great time. I went to a Sun's
Bulls game Saturday night. Met Justin Isa, the Mattasbia owns

(00:51):
the Phoenix Suns. Justin Justin his brother Ishbia, met him.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Really, we're trying to buy the White Sox. He's trying
to buy the White Sox, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I think he tried to make a run at the Twins.
I don't you know. I know he likes baseball. He's
got a minor league team in Nashville and a lot
of business in Nashville. Could not be more down to earth.
Justinishb Be a really nice guy, invited me to a
party to get welcomed into the neighborhood and just happened

(01:20):
to be at the Sun's Bulls game. So I had
a good time. I just I didn't go to the Sun.
I'm gonna do that in April on a vacation. But
before we get started, the one thing I wanted to
touch on with you and I just just it's not football,
so we can ramble and talk about a bunch of stuff.
So when I was I try to kind of stay off.
I watched the Nation's for Hockey stuff. I thought that

(01:40):
was great. I mean NHL basically said we're gonna punt
on our All Star Game. Nobody likes any of these
All Star games except baseball. The rest of them are tanking.
We're gonna try something new Finland, Sweden, Canada, US.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
It was just great hockey, really intense. But it is
interesting when you inject patriotism into any sport, curling, track
and field, pole vaulting, it could be anything. It's jet fuel.
And you know Women's World Cup basically, you know every
time they've won a gold there's this sense that it's
going to explode, and the women's soccer league is going

(02:13):
to explode. It doesn't really happen. It's just patriotism. And
there was a lot of talk during the break that
I can't believe ESPN's letting go of baseball either can I.
But what's interesting isn't that they signed the NBA. That's
not interesting because the NBA has got iconic franchises Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Warriors, Bulls, Knicks,

(02:38):
and it's got iconic stars. It's always been a star
driven league. Anybody that's a sports fan, even a casual,
can name twelve fifteen guys in the NBA right now.
But what's amazing is ESPN signed hockey along with TNT
to a four and a half billion dollar deal seven
years A few years ago. There is no iconic franchise
in at least in America. Toronto Police and you know

(03:01):
in North America are there's no recognizable hockey star in
America that g walk into a mall and everybody would
freak out like a Rodness Prime or O Tawny right now,
or Aaron Judge or Bryce Harper, where everybody knows who
they are. So when people get all worked up about
ESPN signing an NBA deal and not a baseball deal,
My take is, oh, I get it. I would have

(03:22):
signed a baseball deal too. I think you have to
have baseball. I think it's been on a two year heater.
The pitch clock, defensive shift eliminated, and all the stars
are in New York, LA. You know big markets it Philadelphia,
Bryce Harper, Atlanta, Acunya. Like they got all their stars
in the right markets. But what's amazing to me is
ESPN and Jimmy Patar is a huge baseball fan, says

(03:44):
buy to baseball. That's really got some two year momentum going,
and said yes to hockey. And I know hockey fan
thinks this nation's fourth thing means hockey is back. My
take is it's patriotism. Every track and field gets hot
for three weeks every four years.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I'll defend hockey, I be honest. I went to my
first hockey game when I moved to Arizona and the
Phoenix Coyotes were playing in the college arena that had
about thirty five hundred seats. Yeah, so I don't pretend
to be a hockey guy. I did watch it last
year in the playoffs because I gambled on it, and
the playoff hockey is pretty much great. I would say

(04:26):
this about what ten million people just watched that Four
Nations thing. I think, like you said, the jet fuel
with the patriotism, but that fight that happened and the
booing of the national anthem, it was a perfect sce.
We're always We're always an underdog, how often are we
We're never underdogs in basketball? Right in the National STUF.
So we're an underdog in hockey against Canada way back

(04:47):
in the day. They intertwined to yeah, so it was
it was easy watch. I'll say the thing about baseball.
When I you know, I've lived in North California the
majority of my life, I would just have Giants games
on in the background. Yeah, and unlike other or it's
like basketball, I don't watch as much anymore, but I
would watch national brands play basketball, right, like I'll watch
the Lakers play basketball. I live in Arizona. I will

(05:09):
not watch the Diamondbacks play baseball. And they're good, but
I'm not going to turn them on my TV. Like
I would just have the Giants on a nightly bay.
I don't watch any baseball anymore, and it's not because
I don't like the sport. I do. I was I'm
glued during the playoffs, but I think they really struggle
with beside your own team. That's where football dominates, right.

(05:29):
You could put Jags Chargers on a playoff game and
thirty million people are watching. That is not the case
with the brands in baseball. And I just think they're
in a weird point in time because they are popular
in these march If the Giants are good, they dominate
in the Bay Area, the Dodgers huge in La New York.
I mean, how big is baseball going to be in
New York City this year with the Mets and the

(05:49):
Yankees now? Yeah, So I just think it doesn't really
work nationally, Like Sunday Night Baseball hasn't worked in a
long time. It doesn't mean the sport is not popular.
And then you know, you talk. I don't talk basketball
really anymore. Yeah, and I I don't watch it as
much as I used to, and part of it is
because I just don't talk it. So I don't really care. Beside,
I follow the Warriors pretty closely and the Luca thing.

(06:12):
I would say it was a little jet few on
falling the Lakers and what's going on there, But they
are discussed nationally on sports shows and baseball is just not.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, And here's the thing that for all the NBA critics,
I say this, it's in bread. I mean basketball. We
all shot a basketball. It could have been in a
farm on the back of a barn in Iowa. It
could be in a city in Los Angeles, Rutgers Park
in New York. We all played basketball. If we don't
love pro basketball, we watched March Madness. We've had we

(06:41):
were on a high school basketball team, or we went
to the high school basketball team. Like basketball is inexpensive,
unlike a golf or hockey with the equipment, or football because.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Baseball is expensive. I mean yes, you talk to a
parent that has to buy a bat.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Or football where it kind of cancels out smaller kids, right,
Like like basketball when you're in high school, at most
high schools, if you're six two, you're you're a big kid.
So basketball is part of us, and you know, I
mean it's it's the biggest superstar in the history of
American sports is a basketball player in Michael Jordan, Magic

(07:17):
Johnson's Top five. So basketball's who we are, Hockey is
who Canada is. And that's fine.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I don't know. I don't have kids yet, so I
can't speak for the youth, but everyone my age group
and older played baseball at one point in time. Yeah, right,
little league, you know, through many through high school. I
do think it's just lost its cultural relevancy, you know,
separate from the playoffs. You know you always talk about
college basketball is now just March madness. I think baseball

(07:47):
from a national perspective is basically just the playoffs now.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
But think about this, Baseball runs unopposed. And if you're
a sports network like ESPN, you're dying for filler in May, June, July,
and August, you're dying for it. That's baseball. It's tonnage hockey.
A big chunk of its season is October, November, December, January.
It's like guys, and now, with a college football playoff,

(08:12):
December's off the board for hockey.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So what's your take. Did you see Manfred's statement? I mean,
clearly they're angry because they turn on. No one's ever
talking about them ever, So maybe from their perspective, right
or wrong, And you could argue it's wrong because their
right form is still relatively big. They were never going
to discuss baseball beside putting on the game.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
So my take is right now because Otani's a Dodger,
Bryce Harper of Philly, Aaron Judge, Yankee, Mooky Bets, Freddie Freeman,
Acuny in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Toto hit a home run and it's first at bat
in spring training.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
And the Mets and the Padres. You have a lot
of big market or coastal markets. In baseball, the stars
are in the right places, whereas in the NBA, the
stars are in the wrong places. Giannis is in Milwaukee,
SGA's in Oklahoma City, Luca now is in the right spot,
but Jokich is in Denver. So you have a lot
of players in the NBA. Thank God for Jalen Brunson.

(09:08):
I mean, it's a lot of guys in the NBA
are in the wrong markets. In baseball, they're all in
the perfect markets. You don't have all your stars in
Cincinnati or Cleveland. And that's nothing against those cities, but
I just thought for ESPN, I'm like, guys, two years ago,
you signed a seven year billion dollar deal on a
hockey and I'm a sportscaster. I can't name six NHL

(09:30):
guys and I respect the hell out of the sport.
But it's not a talking point in my industry.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I'll say this too, that you know in this you
gotta be careful with small sample sizes. But if you
come to the Scottsdale area in the month of March
when spring training, I mean you talk the Dodgers play
out where the Cardinals play in Glendale, that place you
can't your shoulder to shoulder. I mean, I'm talking thousands
of people every single game. The Cubs, the Giants who
have been bad are in the hard of Scottsdale. This

(09:59):
thing is a cash coun for them. The amount of
people that come to this area to watch spring training baseball.
These are West Coast teams. I mean, this is the Padres,
the Dodgers, the Giants. You feel the popularity. Again, I'm
a little jaded living here right now, but baseball does
feel big this time of year. With all these baseball guys.
It's kind of the center of the universe. Because in
Florida's a little spread out right in baseball, it's all

(10:20):
right here at some of the big brands, I mean
the Dodgers. I went to a Dodger game last year
in spring training and it felt a little bit like
you were watching the nineties bulls. Yeah, it was like,
this is insane.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
And this year they went and got the twenty three
year old pitching phenom from Japan. Okay, then they act
added another starter, Blake Snell. Then they went and got
Tanner Scott in the bullpen. You can argue the Dodgers
will have, if healthy, one of the great pitching staffs
of all time. You have to go back to like
the nineteen seventy Baltimore Orioles when it was you know,

(10:50):
Quaar and I think Jim Palmer and maybe I've been
Steve Stone. I'm dating myself, but it's just insane. It's
like Ace ACE two. I mean, it's just like stars
all the way through the pitching staff. So I know
we're kind of rambling here, but my point was when
people were getting off on this. If I ran a
sports network, there's four things i'd have. NFL, I'd try

(11:13):
to have college football at least big regular season, Big
ten or SEC, hopefully the playoffs. I'd want the World
Cup for global sports, and i'd want the baseball playoffs.
That's what i'd want. Those are the things I would
like to have.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
The NBA.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
I would like to have the Olympics. The other thing
I always throw out there is the UFC. I would loved.
I mean, Fox had the UFC got into a bidding
war and they didn't want to spend six billion on it.
They wanted to spend three billion. They just got out
bid and they acknowledged. I mean, to this day, Eric
Shanks and Dana White are good friends. Like they we
loved the UFC. But sometimes you just get out bid

(11:51):
for stuff. So again, I am an NBA fan, but
it's hard for me right now if I ran an work.
The Yankees are going nowhere. The Dodgers are stacked forever
as they push those contracts down the road. The Braves
are always well run. Freaking Mets have Steve Cohen. So
it's like to me, it was like, wow, this.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Is Phillies are huge spenders. I mean, the Red Sox
are bouncing back. The Cubs won't be down for the.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Cubs just went and got a kid named Tucker. They
just went and got They had a very good offseason.
You know, I'm on my second titos, so you know
I'm just spitball in here.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
No I listen, I find baseball. I think both baseball
and basketball struggle. There are games a regular season game
just does not feel important fair I think that's all.
That's a hard part for both leagues. But the difference
is is the basketball talking points just drive a lot
of sports talk minus foot you know, once football is

(12:52):
either out of season or at different times of the
year where baseball just does it at all beside October,
and it's kind of crazy. Kyle Tucket is what it is.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Kyle Tucker I apologe I moved into Chicago part time,
so I said, know who Kyle Tucker is, So I
want to throw this out there. So a big talking
point was again I talked about this before vacation. Then
it happened during vacation, and I was told by a source,
I really trust that Matt Stafford's agent and the Rams

(13:22):
are going to meet at the Combine this week and
try to bang something out. The Rams like him, Matt
likes him, They want to stay together. He understands the
importance of McVeigh and Pukinakua and the organization, and the
Rams like him. And it's a bad quarterback class and
Aaron Rodgers is an option but not a preferred option.
Stafford's better now But here's an interesting thing. A lot

(13:42):
of Giants of pushback on this. We're not giving up
the number three pick. So my take is, would you
flip picks with the Rams because it's different. If this
was a great quarterback draft class, I'd be very reluctant
to give it the number three pick because I could
trade down, right, which the Rams would do if they

(14:03):
got the number three pick. They would trade down and
get more picks. The Giants not necessary. They're not necessarily
going to trade down. They're just going to draft the quarterback.
Or they would get Stafford so they wouldn't have to.
But when you as a GM, I would have no
problem getting Matt Stafford, giving them a three year deal,
maybe four. You know, I would draft a quarterback second

(14:24):
year into it and just say, okay, I'll take the
Rams pick late first you get my draft top of
the first. I would have no problem doing that. Because
they've been unwatchable for a decade. The coach and the
GM are on the hot seat in New York between
Jade and Daniels and the Eagles roster. You're non competitive.
You're not a competitive team going forward. But when I

(14:45):
say that, Giant fans are you cannot trade the number
three pick. There are drafts I agree with that, This
isn't You're not getting cam Ward. This is not one
of those drafts.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
To me, if I was a GM, I couldn't trade
that valuable of a pick and pay a thirty seven
year old guy who does have some injury concerns at
this point in time. But those guys are fighting for
their jobs. So I think if you sat in Brian
dabols shoes, he wouldn't hesitate to do that. I think
he would just give the number three pick for Matt Stafford.

(15:19):
Why would he not. He's going to get fired and
fair not like he would not get a job immediately after.
And the general manager's also just speaking realities, would never
get another job, right. So to me, now if I
was the owner, I could not. We would not be
doing that. That's I think it's risky business. I would
also not be in business. Look at the last two
quarterbacks that were older. They got a lot of money

(15:42):
that the Packers, who are one of the best drafting
teams of like all time, We're like, yeah, we're done
with Aaron Rodgers, and then Kevin O'Connell was like, yeah,
I'm done with Kirk Cousins, and both those teams regretted
those moves immediately. I mean the Aaron Rodgers thought, well,
they had to make that move. Like I don't blame
them for making that trade the Jets, but that that
was a disaster. The Cousins thing was even worse because

(16:02):
at least Rogers at one point time was one of
the greatest players ever. Cousins always had some limitations coming
off the Achilles and let's face the colum, They're probably
gonna cut him in the next seven ten days. He's
going to get cut. So now Stafford at this point
in time is better than that version of Rogers and
definitely Cousins. But I you know where I come with Stafford.
You know he is going to accumulate it. I looked

(16:24):
he made over two hundred and twenty million dollars in Detroit.
His career earnings right now are about three hundred and
sixty million dollars. So when his career is over, he
will be over four hundred million dollars. So even after
taxes and after paying agents, he will have accumulated before
he's forty years old, over two hundred million dollars in
net income. I'm not even talking about what he's made
off the field in la I know he's I see
him on sleep number commercials. He is really really rich.

(16:47):
Right at this point in time, when you spent a
decade and a half almost in an irrelevant franchise and
losing constantly in the peak of your powers, wouldn't you
go like, look at what Tom did? Like, wouldn't it
makes sense to Beheyshan. It doesn't get any better than
the Rams. I know we're well run, I know I
have an elite coach. I'm in a huge market. I
have made Peyton Manning level money, and I have gotten

(17:09):
my ass kicked and we draft in the top ten.
Now I'm with a franchise who I don't even know
these guys they are bringing in, and all of a sudden,
by mid season they're ass kickers. Like, why would I
want what I would come out? I would have stopped
this conversation. I will do whatever it takes. I'm not
gonna make five million dollars, but why wouldn't he be like,
I'm making twenty seven this year. Let's do a two
year deal for like forty million, guarantee every penny you
go out and buy players. I want to be here.

(17:31):
I'm gonna go Brady, I've already people. I don't count
other people's money. This guy has made so much money
and he played in such a bad franchise, shouldn't he Like,
I wouldn't want any part of the Giants.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
If you're Matt Stafford, what are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
No, but he likes his money. There's no debt like
him and Jimmy Sexton. There they have been Peyton Manning
like every penny, every penny, every tea. And I don't
blame the Rams like no, no more every penny.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
I think Stafford wants to stay with the Rams, And
to your point, I would want to stay with the Rams.
The value of the value of Sean McVay.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
For a quarterback, and just the franchise and how well
run they are out. Yeah, he saw the Lions for
for fifteen years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, I think a lot of this. I think when
things go public, and you know, like Steven A's contract
went public, I always think when I see that that
the person actually wants to sign with the company it
goes public, you know, I mean, and I'm this is
not a shot at stephen A. But I always think
that whenever a person because I could make my stuff

(18:35):
go public on my contract and I don't. I'm not
comfortable with it, but a lot of people are, and
I'm not begrudging them. But Stafford and these people that
it gets out either through their agent or sources. Stuff
gets out when people want it want it out. Right,
Like in my entire life, stories get out when people
want it out. That that's the reason stuff gets out.

(18:56):
I've got secrets in my career in negotiations never gotten
out because the company doesn't want him out, and I
don't want him out this time. In my negotiations, nothing
gets out. I don't want it out, they don't want
it out. I'd always tell my bosses keep it out
of the press. I don't want anything in the press.
But when people do, it does get out there. It's
generally because the sides want a deal, they want to remate.

(19:22):
So when I when I see the Matt Stafford stuff,
my take is Matt wants to stay in Los Angeles.
He's got a gorgeous place near the beach, and I
think hermos are Manhattan Beach. It's great weather. He was
in the Midwest for years. He's a Texas Georgia kid.
He probably likes warm weather. So I and this this
is not an indictment on anybody that goes public, but
it discounts in politics, if you're trying to get legislation passed.

(19:45):
It counts in contracts. It counts when I I mean
stuff is out when somebody is trying to create leverage.
But they truthfully they want to stay where they're at.
So I think he'll be a running Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I think this one's pretty clear. Because this kind of
happened last year, it feels a little more out this year.
Is that the Rams are tough to negotiate with. You know,
early on in their tenure with Les and Shawn, they
signed a deal that they clearly regretted in Todd Gurley.
And ever since they've been pretty good, right, and they
haven't got in these positions where, you know, the Niners

(20:21):
have kind of found themselves the last couple of years
like ah, we regret that Debo deal. Ah, we regret
that Iuke deal. And now they're kind of burned and
now they're pivoting like, oh, we got to be careful
with doing that stuff. The Rams learned early on because
Todd Gurley's knee just went right. And this Stafford thing,
I think they have just been they've been tough with him. Yeah,
you know, he's been you know, with Detroit, they always
bet right over and gave him and he was always

(20:42):
the highest paid guy. You know. The last couple of years,
it's been hard. He's like, I'm only making twenty seven.
They're like, well, I we'll give you a couple of
million dollars more, but we're not. We're not giving you
two years one hundred million dollars. Mat that's just not happening, right,
And we want you, you want us. We're winning, listen,
and I know you only have a chance. It's like,
once he leaves, he's probably not going to make when

(21:03):
he's forty two years old, retired thirty million dollars in
his first shot, whatever he does. So I understand, you
have the opportunity to make a lot of it. But
he's made so much in winning, like you could go
down as a legendary player that I would be very
careful about driving this hard in negotiation. Now. I think
he also knows, like what would the Rams do, you know,
Sean McVay. They're not really in the business of just like, oh,

(21:24):
we'll figure it out on the fly, like they understand
what they have. But I think they have some negotiating
power because, like you said, he doesn't want to leave.
Look at his options, like the Giants are the Titans
are going to trade? How are we talking about? Gross?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
And I do think there's I think the Aaron Rodgers
thing has some legs. And I'll say this, we know
that coaching matters with quarterbacks. Last ten games last year
when Solo was gone, the Jets were one of the
poorest coach teams in the league. They up and down
both sides of the ball, and Aaron put up good numbers.
Aaron with McVeigh would put up good numbers, B plus numbers,

(21:57):
maybe not A numbers. So I think that's something they've
thought about. Aaron's got a place in Malibu, and it's like, hey,
if we get trapped here, we'll bring on Aaron for
a couple of year deal. Plus Aaron. From all the indications,
Aaron wanted to be a Jet and was dumped for
the second time, So I think Aaron does not want
to end his career like that. And again, I thought
in his last ten games he had like a ninety

(22:17):
eight passer rating he was pretty good. So my take
is Aaron, it's not a I mean I had somebody
that I really trust tell me this that Aaron Rodgers
is who McVeigh would go after. I mean, he went
after a guy in Baker Mayfield that came with baggage.
He went after him in one second.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, Carson wentz. They got off. You know, they've done
a lot of that. He has, no he's got He's
like the young version of Andy Reid. They'll take on problems.
The difference, though, is to me, there's a big difference
is the player Aaron Rodgers wants no part of getting hit.
He just will not. And that's still a quality that
Stafford will sit in there. He will get peppered as
he delivers a strike, and that you know, at the

(22:56):
level in which the Rams, I mean they're the only
team that went toe to toe with the Eagles, you know,
so it's like they're trying to compete for the Super Bowl.
That difference in standing in there throughout the course of
a season in the big games, I think there would
be a drop off unless Aaron was just willing again
to play like he did. And I don't think at
forty one years old, he would be. I mean that
is one thing. Stafford will sit in there kind of

(23:17):
like the old school quarterbacks and still get hit. So
I understand maybe his negotiating, like, hey guys, I'm taking
a lot of hits here too, Like I need some
money for this, for these bruises that I wake up
with every Monday morning.

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Speaker 1 (25:02):
Let's just throw this name out there because the combine
starts this week and before we get into that free
agencies after that, Sam Donald had a couple of disappointing games.
End of the season. Yeah, Sam Donald a really good season.
Sam's got a market. Sam is still in the middle
of his prime. What is your I contend that Las

(25:23):
Vegas and with Chip Kelly and the Colts with Shane
Steiken are really good fits. Indie feels like Sam in
that division can go toe to toe with those quarterbacks.
You're not going toe to toe with a Herbert, I
don't think, or a Mahomes, But I think you put
him in the AFC South with Shane Steikin, I think

(25:44):
he can go toe to toe with a CJ. Stroud
on most Sundays. What do you think happens with Sam?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, I mean a lot change. I remember going live
with you right after he made that throw against Seattle
and I was like, this guy, how are they gonna
not give him a huge contract? And it shows you
the power of these prime time games. Let's face there
was a lot you know, obviously the division was on
the line that Sunday night, and then the playoff game
was really, really bad. I still think at minimum he's
going to get a Baker Mayfield three or one hundred
million dollars type contract with me, and clearly with good

(26:13):
coaching you can. I mean, his team was sixty minutes
away from the number one overall seed. He played a
massive role in that, so I think you got to
be careful. Yeah, I think that game exposed a little
bit when he starts getting blitzed, he starts you know,
I don't want to say seeing ghosts. He's come a
long way since then, but he looked dramatically different in
those two games than he did. But you'd also say

(26:34):
he's you know, Aaron Glenn became a head coach, one
of the best defensive coordinators in the league and just
was blitzing them every single play. And Sean McVay and
Shula are just they had that defense rolling. I mean,
they went, they were hitting Hurts, they made him look
bad in that game. They were playing good defense. So
I still would have no problem given now that here's
the thing, like, you know, these quarterbacks, the dominoes, all

(26:56):
these teams looking are gonna have some ranking going into
the combine. When they talked to the Age and so
it's are you all in on Sam Donald? Because if
you draft or if you sign Sam Donald to a
multi year deal, you're probably not drafting a quarterback if
you're the Giants, if you're the Titans, if you're the Raiders.
But if you take Cousins or Rogers, you know, you're
probably still have no problem drafting a quarterback really high.
So I think Donald would be the one guy that

(27:18):
would just get signed and immediately become, you know, kind
of not your long term starter, but at least in
the immediate next couple of year starter.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
What do you expect? Combine starts on Thursday? Shador Sanders
won't work out at the combine, which has become kind
of a trend with quarterbacks. What are you expecting? What
are you looking for?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah? To me, Shador is a good example of like,
coming into this year, every important college director slash assistant
GM saw him play life. He was such a big
prospect coming into the season. There is not an NFL
team worth their salt, and every team, once they realized
we needed a quarterback probably saw him multiple times play game.

(27:59):
So it's the combine for him. And I'd even say
the same thing about cam Ward. Remember when he transferred
to Miami he was the number one essentially free agent
college football. I think it would go for him as well,
which wouldn't shock me if he doesn't throw, though, Chador
isn't you know, some elite prospect in terms of his qualities,
Like if you're Josh Allen, you should throw at the combine.

(28:20):
Why you're throwing one hundred miles an hour. I remember
Lamar Jackson when he got all the pushback about Pollan's
common about the wide Receiver's like, I'm not gonna run.
It's like, Lamar, You're gonna run a four to two.
Everyone's head's gonna turn and you're gonna be the talk
of the combine. It was a mistake not running. Now,
granted it all worked out. I don't blame Chador for
not throwing in this environment because it's not the best environment.

(28:42):
If I'm cam Ward, you have a huge arm throw,
I would no one cares about completions and completions you're
throwing people you don't know. Let that ball rip as
all the coaches and gms are sitting there in the
boxes and in the seats right there in Indy. So
I think those two guys in a huge part of
the I'm buying is the interviews and with a quarterback,

(29:02):
and I would throw Jackson Darton here, who I think
is going to gain some momentum as a potential first
round pick. Is the person like, what are you like
as a guy? I mean, last year you see some
of these clips, it was a pretty high level class.
You know, Jade Daniel's really high level guy. Obviously Caleb,
everyone had known him for years and he was a
lot to go number one. But Drake May, Michael Pennix,
I mean, the bo Nicks, JJ McCarthy. So it was

(29:25):
like they're going to crush these interviews. Coaches. This is
the first the gms and the scouts have been watching
these guys for years. The coaches, you know, NFL coaches
don't really watch as much college football as the average
fan would think. The head coach might have it on,
you know, Andy Reid does, but a lot of guys
are just sco tunnel vision. They don't know that much
about these players and definitely have never met him and

(29:47):
a lot of times haven't really evaluated them. So this
is kind of their first exposure. So meeting them as
a human being and getting to know the guy and
getting to know like their football smarts and their football IQ.
It's a huge, huge moment for all the guys that
you know are in the mix to I mean, all
these guys are draft We're gonna get drafted. The majority
of the guys go to Combine, but definitely the guys
that have like the ability to get drafted in the

(30:09):
first round. I mean, there's just a lot of money
on the line, you know, getting drafted high.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, the combine's interesting. I think I was into it
more ten years ago, and I think some coaches feel
the same way. They don't necessarily some go, some don't.
I have you been surprised as a former NFL scout,
some of these coaching staffs just don't go anymore. They
just say I'm not going. Yeah, not wasting my time.
Does that surprise you?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah? Honestly has bothered me in the past because I go, Well,
Belichick always went, and now I'll promise you this, Andy
Reid's going to be there. It's like, well, if the
best guy's there and values it, it doesn't mean he
goes to everything, but he values meeting the guys because
there's one thing to evaluate them off a tape. Everything's
taped right, your workout and even your interviews, and some

(30:51):
of these guys now can be there in a zoom interview.
There is a big difference if you're interviewing someone to
be the thirteenth overall pick standing there and talking to
him in meeting him, seeing him face to face, than
zooming him. So I do believe you should go. I
saw my guy, Tim Kala Kami in the Bay Area.
Kyle Shanahan, like McVeigh stopped going, Well, it's one thing
when you're going to the Super Bowl or the NFC

(31:12):
Championship every year, he reported, Kyle's probably gonna go this year.
Kind of need to meet these guys. Yeah, But my
thing is like if the top coach is there and
the Sandy Reed runs the league, like you should be there.
And so I do believe there's value not in like
you're change of direction in a condra okay, but like
you might draft this guy in the second round. It's

(31:32):
kind of gonna be a big deal when it's like
a year in you hate the kid and it's your
own fault when you didn't put in max effort to
get to know him, to get to meet him every opportunity.
I mean, at this point in time, the salary CAP's
almost three hundred million dollars. It's pretty big business. Yeah,
you know, these are your most important assets. So I
do think the value is more less about the running
and catching the gauntlet drill and more just sitting with

(31:54):
the kid and interviewing him and being there with your coordinators.
Not every coach needs to go. But to me, the
head coach and the coordinators should all be present with
the with the scouting staff.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know, it's interesting. There's going to be you can
go back to last year's draft, the year before. There
are certain things that are just innate. They're true. You
can't argue them. There's going to be a couple players
in the top fifteen that will be busts. They just
won't be very good, and for a variety of issues.

(32:26):
Some I mean, Romadonze is talented, he wasn't as good
as I thought as a rookie. I think he'll I
mean I thought that'd be more splash, but I think
a lot of it was. It was such a mess,
you know, it was all a mess, and I think
he'll bounce back. I'm gonna throw Travis Hunter out as
a player that could be that could underachieve. So I

(32:54):
don't doubt he's good enough to be a number two
receiver in the NFL and a number one corner, no
doubt either. But to ask to be both, I mean,
if you had a great linebacker who also played tight end,
it's undeniable that the physical toll would hurt what you're
best at. I would put him at corner but he

(33:15):
wants to be a receiver. I don't know if he's
a number one receiver in the NFL. Maybe on a
weaker team. He's certainly good enough. But you can't be
a number one receiver if you have a young quarterback
who's trying to get reps. Confidence in timing. It's a
timing position. Running Back isn't Cornerback isn't You can I
mean high school to college, college of the pros. Running

(33:38):
back in cornerback, you can walk in and just play.
You could just I mean, those are two positions. I've
been told this forever. You would know this as a scout.
Running back in cornerback, you could miss some of camp,
you could be a you could have a contract hold out.
You're ready to play week one or week two.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, it's a very instinctive position.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yet both of them wide receiver, especially with a young quarterback.
What's a timing position help? Brady was an old cornerback.
If he didn't trust you'd be in the right spot,
Tom would ghost you. I think Travis Hunter, I think
this coming to a bad team, he'll have a lot
of leverage. He'll play both ways. I could see that

(34:16):
being a problem.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, you know, and we'll find out it was just
a name on a paper. Did announce he's going to
the combine as a corner. Now all the top guys
will be interviewed they go to the podium. It'll be
interesting if he says, I'm here as a corner, but
I also plan on playing wide receiver. I do think
it's fair to say most high level people in any
industry are very singular focused, and it is very difficult

(34:40):
to spread yourself thin, especially when your factory in youth.
I mean he's very young. I think it's impossible to
go do what he did. What he did in college
was the Big twelve, wasn't the SEC or the Big ten,
but it was still one of the greatest athletic achievements
we've ever seen. The amount of snaps he's playing to
you agree with, Oh yeah, but if you're going to
be a both way corner wide receiver just playing corner alone,

(35:03):
think of the wide receivers right now in the NFL.
The talent on a weekly basis of just pick up
a random team who their schedule is on a week
you're chasing those guys for sixty seventy snaps. He would
be the number one corner, and then you would try
to play full time wide receiver. I think it would
be borderline impossible on the body. I don't think it's
And you go back to look at Deon Sanders. I

(35:25):
don't even think he had that many catches in his career.
And this is and Dion, I mean, was just a
better prospect. Yeah, I mean, Tary Sound is a great prospect.
Give me a break. Deon's one of the greast athletes
in the history of America, right So, I do think
he just needs to focus on one of the positions,
and I hope and I think he's making the right
decision right now at corner, and then he can be

(35:46):
at just a high level corner. I don't think it's
possible to go both ways. I don't think any team
wants him to be. That doesn't mean you can't, you know,
Ben Johnson type coordinator, can't run a trick player for him,
bring him in on offense. They used to do that
with Dion when I was a kid. But like, I
want you to be a lockdown corner, Derek Stingley, He's
probably gonna get a hundred million dollars offseason. Why because
he goes up against your number one wide receiver who

(36:07):
are all making one hundred and eighty million dollars and
locks him down. Derevas did it, Sherman did it? You
get paid a lot of money, and he's it's more
valuable because harder to find. It's much easier to find
a wide receiver than it is a corner. There just
aren't that many. Most teams don't have one good corner, right.
The teams that have two are like complete outliers in
the national yets. Yeah, so I hope he stays just

(36:30):
at one. Now we'll see. I think, you know, Dion,
who's essentially like feels like his father, constantly talks like
he's going to do both ways, like, so he's not
slowing it down. And I do think Dion speaks for
Travis a little bit, and Travis hasn't walked away from it.
So I do think it's going to be interesting to
see in Indy when he talks exactly what he says,
because if he does say like I plan on doing both,

(36:51):
like he's telling you, like eventually you got to just
listen to what he's saying and believe him.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Well, and the other thing, because I mean we'll talk
through free agency and the combine and the draft, and
I'll do some basketball pods as well. But the other
thing that is, and we talked a little bit a
bit about this last time. I can't tell you the
last time a player as good as Miles Garrett was
on the market. I don't even I mean, I'm dead serious.

(37:21):
This feels so Buffalo or Green Bay. I saw something
during the break I was on my phone and I
tried to stay off it, but Warren Sharp, who does
a lot of NFL stuff, had this breakdown of Josh
Allen over the last several years, and it is a
crime he hasn't been into a super Bowl. He is
number one in so many different analytic categories that it's

(37:44):
a crime that he's not getting the super Bowls. And
so I do think you can keep running it back
with Sean m McDermott. But you're getting to a point
now you're like, Okay, he's going to be coming out
of his prime in about three years, Like you got
to get him to super bowls. Look at that, And
I think to myself, Von Miller's getting older, what would
you give up? And I know it's a non quarterback,

(38:07):
but I got to tell you I would have absolutely
no problem because I think they've got most of their
offensive pieces in check and they've drafted well on that side.
Do you give up two ones?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Is he that?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I was thinking about that today on the flight. I'm like,
I think it's the only defensive player outside of Aaron
Donald in his prime that I would give up too.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I think they are the team you could throw potentially
the Lions, but they got Hutchinson coming back of Like
you're right there on the doorstep. You have played the Chiefs.
You're the only team in the AFC that's like go.
They could have beat him every time they played him,
but they beat him in the regular season. So it's
like you are a player or two away. And I
remember when they paid von Miller all that money felt

(38:57):
like a little desperate, risky and that blew up in
their face.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
He just he just was, this doesn't ram this late,
it perfect, this doesn't feel Yeah they did. It was
the classic. You know, Andy Reid, somebody comes in plays
well with Mahomes. Let him go that Von Miller felt overpaid.
Miles Garrett is on a short list. I mean he's
kind of entering into a Donald Lawrence Taylor. He may

(39:24):
not be there yet, but Jesus, he's close.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I think I've told you this before. I you know,
looking back back at historical comps, I think Reggie White
who went to the Packers, that's thirty two, you know,
in Reggie Miles is younger. You know, Miles is I
think twenty nine years old. But still, anytime you are
trading that much to give a guy a third contract,
you know, this would be his third contract. And I
don't blame the Browns like I would keep hanging up,

(39:50):
but I think you could get a pretty historic call
for a guy twenty nine thirty years old. And the
other thing is you got to look at his body type.
It's gonna age well. I mean, he's just a complete
freaking nature, you know, unlike you know, somebody Lawrence Talor.
I don't think there are any questions off the field.
No one's ever questioned like his his being in shape
or I mean every time you see him that basketball

(40:11):
highlight he had years ago, he looked like an NBA player.
I mean, he like jumps out of pools from the
deep end. I just wonder, you know, the Browns are
in a weird spot right now. They're just got the
you got the Watson kind of contract anchoring the franchise,
you're drafting two overall, your star player wants out. I
do think it's the right time to just blow it up.
But let's face it that their owner Can has proven

(40:34):
to be a little bit of you know, kind of
a kook sometimes with the way he operates, and he
gets really involved because they do have you know, their
GM smart. He's a Roseman guy. I think we both
agree Stefanski's pretty high level, good coach. But I think
anything's possible anytime you get the Browns. They even said,
like I do think they will throw here's one hundred
and fifty million dollars, And it's one thing to say, hey,

(40:55):
I want to trade, I want out. And if someone
puts one hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed run of
Miles Garrett, like, would he resign with the Browns? Is
this a money play? When I've seen the clips of
him talking to Super Bowl, it actually felt pretty measured,
like I actually don't think this is really He's already
super rich, Like this is about like we ain't winning here,
especially in this division against Burrow and Lamar, we have

(41:16):
no chance. So get me the hell out of here.

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(41:46):
gonna throw something at you.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I was.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I was thinking about this the way, and your life
is probably a lot like this. You also do a
golf pod, but for six months of the year, I
don't take any time off. I work every day, even
Thanksgiving Day. After Thanksgiving there's tons of football games on.
I've got a notepad and I write no so and
I know it's not ditch digging. I'm not saying that.
But I work every day for six months and then

(42:13):
I take seven weeks off over the next six months
until Labor Day. Right, And I was thinking about this,
and I was as I was flying from Chicago to
La this afternoon. I thought about you in this question.
So I don't watch Netflix or anything outside of sports

(42:33):
from Labor Day weekend until the end of football, and
then I take a week off like I just did,
and then for about six months now, I watch a
lot of Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, whatever it is,
I'll watch series. So I watched Zero Day with Robert
de Niro. It's okay. I thought de Niro was really good.

(42:55):
I thought the acting was good, the plot was a little.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
It kicked.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, it's interesting. It's again. The acting is really good
and it plays. You can watch it. So I like
six episodes. But I was sitting there and I'm thinking
to myself. One of the reasons, and I really think
this is happening, is that events are still working. March

(43:24):
Madness still kicks, ass gets a rating. College football games,
NFL games, World Cup, Olympics, UFC all still get great numbers.
Anything Monday through Friday. Baseball, NBA, hockey, MLS really struggling.
And I'm sitting there watching Zero Day. I watched it
over the course of two or three days with my wife.

(43:47):
She didn't like it as much as me, and it was,
you know, it was stuff was blown up. It was government,
it was politics, it was DeNiro. I was all in
and I was thinking about this that hockey, baseball, basketball,
mls are all struggling Monday through Friday because they're not events.

(44:07):
And what's happened is My take is once football ends
our nation, its favorite sport for six months is Netflix,
and that they'll come in for an NBA final or
a World Cup or an Olympics. But football and college football,

(44:30):
but mostly the NFL, it is a six month event.
Those Sundays and Saturdays, those are events. You go to them,
you watch them, your friends watch them. Netflix doesn't do
a lot of production during that time, knowing why release
new stuff. Guys are checked out for six months. But
I was sitting there watching in baseball's regular season, basketball, hockey,

(44:52):
Hockey's having a horrible regular season ratings. And my take
is because they're competing with now the biggest offseason sport,
which is Netflix. Streaming has gobbled up post football to
Labor Day. A lot of these numbers. Now, I'm saying
that because I'm a sportscaster and I have to watch sports.
But man, when I got a week off, and if

(45:14):
I wasn't a sportscaster. Bro, I'm on streaming just I
am on streaming with my wife watching shows.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Well, let's use me as an example. I couldn't have
been a bigger sports fan as a kid, through college
and even when I got worked in the NFL. I
love baseball, love basketball. But as this podcast has taken
off and we've had success and we're just football is
just kind of takes up my life. Yes, I don't
want if I watched the baseball playoffs. I'm not going

(45:43):
to talk about it, but I know it's big culturally.
Other people are talking and I want to watch it.
It's fun, but I know the other games. Why would
I watch when I don't have to and no one
else I feel is the matter?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
And you sacrifice your life with your soon to be
wife for six months. You sacrifice your.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Life so we don't have Thursdays, Saturday, Sundays, Sunday nights,
Monday nights. So even during the season, or I mean,
you know during September and October you got to give
up Tuesdays and Wednesdays, right, you know Fridays you can't
just watch like Lakers Kings in late October when it's like,
what are you talking about this now, I just want

(46:19):
to watch it. You know, I got a I got
two hundred dollars on Deer and Foxes over under here
you know doesn't fly, and it was much easier to
do that when I was younger. I also think, you
just bring up Netflix. I saw orright, I heard on
a podcast that YouTube where it's consumed the most is
not on a phone or an iPad. It's actually on televisions.
And that's obviously the youth. Right, that's a lot of

(46:42):
younger people watch YouTube ontel. I don't view it like
an app like I do Netflix or Amazon Prime. But
people under twenty five do. Yeah, and in ten years
those people are going to be thirty years old. And
it's just the options we have to watch TV. I
think about when you know, forever, just basic cable, you
would if nothing was on TV, you just scroll around,
You dead up on random movies. You just watch Saving

(47:03):
Private Ryan because it was on TBS. You never scroll anymore. Right,
it doesn't even really exist. I don't even have I
talk about television sports for a living. I don't have
a cable box in my house. I have YouTube TV.
It doesn't even exist right now. Granted, I go to
YouTube TV at Fox Sports one at nine o'clock in
the morning, you come up, or CNBC or whatever, so
it's I still have television, but it's completely different than

(47:26):
just five years ago. I also think I've had this theory.
You know, for a long time, we thought the NFL
was playing those London games to move the Jags to London, right,
which clearly is not true. Because he just spent hundreds
of millions of dollars. They're gonna stay in Jacksonville at least,
that's what you know. He's invested a bunch of money there,
what I think, and maybe once upon a time that
was the goal. I think what they've realized the last

(47:48):
three or four years. They just announce another Brazil game
going to Germany. Well, where's Netflix's audience worldwide? So I
can sell the Netflix in four years when I opt
out of this thing. I'm not just getting John in
Arizona or Collins Chicago, or Bill in Tampa Bay. I'm
getting James on an Air Force base in Germany, or
Craig in Australia, or you know some dude in Brazil

(48:11):
that likes football. So my numbers, I'm not just beholden
to the American market, Yeah, which crushes in football. I'm worldwide, baby,
and I can't obviously through you and through the platform
that you have given me the amount of people listening
to me that are like, Hey, I'm from Australia, I
got a question about the Cowboys, or Hey I'm from Germany.

(48:32):
I'm a huge Niner guy. I mean this is it's
not a worldwide sport like soccer. But in terms of
the way Netflix, once they get involved with the NFL,
it won't just be people in the States consuming the
products and they just saw it. Now. It's different than
Mike Tyson Jake Paul Thing, but that got one hundred
million people worldwide. So I think the NFL is pivoted

(48:53):
to these international games to grow the audience to sell
to the streamers. What do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I think you're I think you're right on the money.
I think you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Why would they be playing in Brazil? Again, what's the point.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Well, but I also think broadcast networks are attracted. For instance,
when Netflix had their football game, CBS produced it. So
the Netflix, I still don't love Amazon's production as much
as I do Fox or CBS or or ABC.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I like that. I think Fox is the I'm an
NFC guy. I think Fox is the best.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, I mean, I've I've worked at I've worked for NBC,
I've worked for ESBN, ABC, I've worked for Fox. I
think Fox's production is great. Now. I do think NBC
is magical on the Olympics and deserves all the love.
I but I think I think if I was Netflix,
I don't want to create a sports division. All use
Fox or CBS. I'll use their production people. I just

(49:49):
want to buy the rights, stream it and get eyeballs,
and then then I'll pay for it to be produced
instead of creating one hundred person remote unit or bidding
for rights for the entire package. I'll take six games
a year and I'll just use somebody else's production because
I think that's what networks provide. And I don't think
Netflix and Amazon are as good in my because I've

(50:13):
known people that have moved to Amazon. I think Amazon
does retail exceptionally well. I think they've been clunky at
The Washington Post. I think they've been clunky at Whole Foods.
I don't think Whole Foods is nearly as good as
it was before Amazon bought it.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I don't an Amazon drop off. That's what I viewed as. Yeah,
I mean, if your stuff, I just.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Don't go to it anymore. So I think Amazon does
retail exceptionally well. They're getting their feet wet in sports,
but I think they have a long way to go
to be as good as CBS, Fox or ABC.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well, what I think is going to happen is and
Goodell has already hinted at this is which I'm not
a huge fan of. And luckily most of these games
are relevant. You live on the West Coast. When they
play that international morning game sometimes six thirty in the morning,
it's like I got to get up to watch Titans
Jags here at six am. But they're gonna have And
Goodell's not just hinted at this, He's kind of talked

(51:03):
about we plan on having potentially a whole slate, you know,
not eight games, but like fifteen. We couldn't you sell
that as a package like Amazon Prime Boom to Netflix.
They're all over at the International you know, all over
the world. Every single morning. Starting week two, there is
a six thirty am Pacific Standard time game and Netflix

(51:24):
pays like Amazon out of the blue. These games would
have existed anyway at like Fox or CBS, you know,
with the eleven other ones in the morning slate. You
just put it as a it's not a primetime game,
but it's in its solo slate. It's not competing against anybody,
and you sell it for whatever, I don't know, two
billion a year, Yeah, right, because wouldn't you say that
Thursday night football the next go round, Amazon or Netflix

(51:46):
is going to pay more than they're paying now. Yeah,
once they're proving they get fifteen million people to watch
it every single Thursday night.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, I mean, I I not just because I work
at Fox. I like I like broadcast quality production on
my football games. I think they're really really good at it.
And yeah, I don't think the streamers are there yet.
I thought the Paul Tyson fiasco.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It didn't work.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
It was a mess. It was embarrassing everything, the production,
the fight, the marketing, none of it worked for me.
I thought it was bad. So and again, I'm a
devoted Netflix washer, but there are things, you know, I've
always been a believer r years and years ago, you know,
when sports gambling became big. You know, Supreme Court rules

(52:35):
in favor of it, and you know, there was a
lot of money being thrown around. And I had talked
to a couple of the bigger players, and my take
was always, I like doing business because I bet on sports,
but I didn't want gambling companies to be my boss.
I wanted broadcasters to be my boss, because I'm a

(52:58):
broadcaster and if I was, if I was a podcaster,
that's why the volume we do podcasts, digital media, that's
our specialty. And so I think Netflix does documentaries and
true crime and movies, and I don't think sports is
their go to. And the idea that hey, we've got
a lot of money, let's just throw it at sports. Now,

(53:19):
I think Amazon's gotten much much better on Thursday Night football,
but they still don't feel to me as good as
the networks. And you know, they have more money than
the networks, So it's not like a resources issue. It's
a they don't quite have as good a feel for
it right now. And so this idea that Netflix, I mean,

(53:42):
I I've watched the Netflix sports. They don't have a
feel for it. And they're content people. Amazon's a retail giant.
I mean that go look at the Washington Post fiasco,
that's a mess. The grocery store stuff, it's not very good.
So I am a loyal too. And I also like, honestly,

(54:03):
how much do we ask fans to chase around games?
Can you just put them on the ten o'clock one
o'clock window West coast or East coast it's one and four.
I mean you're getting to a point where these fans now,
I mean sometimes with Baseball, Roku, Apple, Fox guys, you're
making it hard for fans.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Well, I think Fox and CBS have been the only
two networks that have just all the games they've had
have just been on Fox and CBS. I mean ESPN
put one on ESPN Plus last year. Obviously the Peacock thing,
which again I I understand, like, is NBC gonna survive? Right?
It is out for Peacock. You a big picture, right,
I mean that's that's you know, CBS and Fox have

(54:48):
been such stalwarts with the NFL from the for so long.
I mean they have just been hand in hand and
there's some loyalty. I mean, the NFL is not like
many industries where it's you know, management things constantly. The
same families have owned these businesses forever every once in
a while they get a new owner. But the Jones family,
the Hunt family, the Davis family, you just go around
like the Bardelo Yorks, I mean the same people, the

(55:10):
Spanos family. These people have been in for decades, the
crafts and all their kids are going to get it.
So I just believe that they look at you know,
they just create something out of nothing and be like, oh,
here's an international slate. Here's two billion dollars of games
that we were going to throw that you and I
would have had on a little box on Sunday ticket
not even paid attention to. And they'll get two billion

(55:31):
dollars for it. Now. Can this maintain forever? I don't
know how long football will dominate, but it does feel
like they're really in the peak of their business.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Powers right now, right yeah, But you know it's not
even a loyalty thing. I I like to be in
business with people who are proficient at what they do,
Like you're really good at football, right, like I you know,
just speaking about the volume, you know, we hire people
who are YouTube specialists to handle our YouTube business, like

(56:03):
we hire really good podcasters to do podcasts. This idea
that you know, streamers come in and they've got a
feel for I mean, Apple's baseball was awful. I try
to watch it was it was awful, And I'm not
disparaging any individual.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
It just was bad.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Roku not good enough. So I'm sorry when I when
I watched the networks do sports like for A prime
example of this is the NBA deal and and ESPN,
you know, maintains its rights and they'll do fine. And
I don't love everything about their coverage, but it's consistent.

(56:43):
Amazon and NBC take big stabs at it, and my
guess is it's gonna be it's gonna take Amazon and
NBC two to three years in this deal to figure
it out minimum.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
No, I'm with you there, are.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
You gonna Are you gonna go to Amazon to watch NBA?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I'm not No, No, I mean Colin, I don't go
to ABC to watch NBA. I mean the Warriors play
the MAVs. I watched probably ten minutes today, So no, no,
But as anyone, that's the thing that's that is where
football and its value is so strong, Like it's proven
they can throw random game on peacock and twenty million
people be pissed off and tweeted about it. But they'll

(57:22):
still watch. I think you throw baseball and you throw
basketball behind some of these paywalls a little different animal. Listen,
I got involved with the athletic right when it started.
There were some people that drew a lot of revenue.
Our guy Ethan Strauss, he's a cash cow. You put
him mind it. People will come a lot of people.
And these people were businessmen beside it. So you're getting

(57:42):
no subscriptions here and we're paying you four hundred thousand dollars.
It was very black and white. I think baseball, like
in basketball, it's gonna be very eye opening, Like how
many people just watch this game? How many people just
watched the Bulls played the Magic two hundred thousand people
watch this game? I mean you know, I mean there
are not you can tell me. They dominate on social media.
They are not gonna go watch regular season random games

(58:06):
with a lot of these brands. Even if you put
if I just put Lakers, just pick a random upon
like Lakers Atlanta Hawks on a streaming service next week,
relative to what it would be on ESPN or ABC
behind a street, it would get cut. I think it
would be twenty percent of that number if it would

(58:26):
be tiny. Yeah, don't you agree there?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah, I think it's very difficult. I think I saw
the NBA wanted to do what the NFL did divvy
it up, and it's smart business by them. But I'm
just telling you, I'm gonna stay watching NBA on the
network I've been watching the NBA. That will be ESPN
and ABC is where I will watch a majority of
my NBA. Now, NFL or College Football World Cup all

(58:51):
go anywhere. UFC. I buy the cards. I go to
four or five. We should go to one.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I go to four or five UFC fights during during
the summer. Oh, there's so much fun, and then I
buy three or four. So I would say about thirty
to fifty percent of the time I'm watching the UFC fights.
So that gets me behind a paywall. NFL, major college football.
There are some things I would pay for. I mean,
Dodger Yankee World Series. I'm gonna pay for that and
watch that. But if you think regular season NBA, I'm

(59:19):
going to a streamer, You're out of your mind.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
And that's where Amazon aren't they playing a different game?
Like ultimately, Netflix wants me to stay and watch other shows.
Amazon wants me to order like Maria yelling at me,
we need protein bars. Boom, one button. We had protein
bars delivered ten minutes later, right, or we need laundry
detergent like. Their business is completely different than a lot
of these other streamers that are just the media entity.

(59:44):
There's are hosting data, you know, retail business delivering, and
they are. It is really incredible what they you can
press the button have something.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
To Amazon is the most I mean, let's in my life.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I hate I hate going to the store, and they
have enabled me to never really have to go through.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Amazon is maybe the only company in my life every
single family member uses. My sister lives really, my wife's
in Chicago, I'll be there soon. Sun's up in Oregon.
It's the only company in my life. I mean, Microsoft
is a big deal Intel, you know, I'm trying to

(01:00:22):
think of anything comparable everybody. So Amazon is a retail giant.
They're not a content company. Now they're pivoting to that.
So Netflix, you would think, because they're a content company,
would be it would be a much easier pivot to
do sports content. But I'm telling you, some of their

(01:00:43):
early stuff has just not worked for me at all.
And I say that as a devoted Netflix consumer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, and then they're not really in the live business.
All their stuff is pre taped movies and shows. Correct. Yes,
So it's just people in Hollywood or wherever producing this stuff.
I just think we're they they're you know, Netflix, their money,
and they're clearly dipping their toe in with the Christmas
game is going to continue. I do think it's it's
inevitable that they get just that morning package, yes, and

(01:01:12):
just a number that everyone's he just paid what for
six thirty am games.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I'll watch them, though, to be honest with you, I'll
watch them. I know it's sad, all right. John Middlicoff
knocked out an hour former NFL Scout three and out podcast.
Good to be back. We'll talk soon.

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