February 25, 2025 • 53 mins
Colin can't wait to watch Luka face his old fling the Mavericks tonight for the first time in a Lakers jersey. Shedeur Sanders has fallen off down the upcoming drafting rating to #7. The NBA talking heads need to stop living in the past glories and appreciate now. Plus, college football finally changes its focal points to the NFL!
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we Go. It is a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening thanks to making as part of your day.
Tonight is the night. Tonight is the night Luca Dante,
the newest Laker in Los Angeles and the team that
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traded him away shockingly, the Dallas Mavericks, limp into town
with all their bigs injured. This has the potential to
get really ugly. Jmack is going to this one. I'll
be locked on a TV, smoking a stog, maybe knocking
down a Jit and soda, checking out what will be
a spectacle in Los Angeles tonight. And this is a city.
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Over the last several years between Mookie Betts and Freeman
and Shoeyo Tani and Lincoln Riley and Jim Harbaugh and
a lot of stars coming to town. J Mac, Tonight
is gonna be interesting. So Luka dantic at home hosting
the MAVs. You're gonna officially see how awful this trade was.
Luca's gonna be inspired, He's gonna be ticked off, and
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JJ Reddick and Lebron James are gonna make sure he eats.
They're gonna feed him the ball all night. This is
gonna be the New York Giants against Saquon Barkley. This
is gonna be dinner with your ex and she upgraded.
You're gonna be wondering if you're Dallas, what was I thinking?
Where did it all go wrong? It sets up to
be a blood bath potentially because Dallas all their bigs
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are hurt. So Luca's gonna score anyway he wants. And
I said this, If the Ais would have gotten Anthony Davis,
Austin Reeves and three first round picks, I still wouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Made the deal.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But I but I could. I you know, he's hurt conditioning.
Maybe I'd sleep a little better at night. But give
it him away for one pick for Anthony Davis and
he is not twenty six years old yet, he's got
two more days to be twenty five. And here's the thing,
the thing I'm thinking about this morning. Yes, Saquon Barkley
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to the Eagles was a huge gaff by Joe Shane
the Giants gym. But Saquon Barkley's a running back. They
don't last forever thirty two years old. They can be
out of the game thirty three years old. They retire soon,
So you don't have to sit and watch this forever.
Luca's twenty five. If he gets the conditioning right, he
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could be dropping thirty three points a night for the
next fourteen years. And the other thing, He's in the
Western Conference, so Luca could be keeping Dallas because I
actually like Dallas's roster, Ad Kyrie, their size, their coach.
I actually like Dallas's roster. But there's a real opportunity
here for the Lakers to bounce the Mavericks out for years.
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And this is a player that is just in two
days turning twenty six, so years ago, about fifteen straight
years out of college. I used to have a dream
that haunted me and it may have lasted twenty years
and this thing woke me up in a sweat about
three times a month. I had this dream that I
was going to take a college final and I wasn't prepared,
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and I had this dream all the time. And just
think about it this way, Luca is advanced calculus, and
the Mavericks Nico Harrison is gonna spend the next twelve
to thirteen years waking up at least two to three
times a month in a sweat. That's why if you're
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gonna trade Luca, you gotta get assets. You gotta get Amo,
you gotta get Hi out to your conference. He can't
get in the way of keeping you from trophies. So
tonight's the night. Dirk Nevinsky previously in Dallas their greatest
player ever. Uh, he'll be here tonight, and he has
been in LA several times to support Luca.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I felt a little disappointed and sad for him. You know,
I think he obviously didn't see this coming. So he
invited me to come out to his first game in LA,
and I felt like I had to support him. And
it was reported that he was pretty obviously down and
disappointed how how it went down, and so I wanted
to be there for him. I wanted to just be
there for his family and and then show support.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
It was weird.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
It was surreal to to see him play for the Lakers.
And so at the end of the day, I mean,
I'll ever be a Lakers fan, but it was always
be a Luca fan.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Uh, Tonight is a spectacle. We've been lucky in Los Angeles.
We've just had big coaches, and you know, Stafford to
town and harbaught a town and Shohey moves up the
I five, and here comes Freddie Freeman from Atlanta, and
here comes Molchy Betts and now it's Luca in our
lap and facing his Mavericks hobbling into town.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Tonight.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Can't wait. So mel Kiper, maybe you've heard of him,
has a big mock draft and he released it today
and a lot of people are surprised that Shahduur Sanders,
who people you know. During the college football season, many
people speculated he'd go number one. He's going number seven
in the mock draft of the New York Jets. And
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I was thinking about this this morning. That's about where
he should go. I think he's a good B plus prospect.
I think he's a good kid. He's accurate. But my
favorite part about Shador Sanders is not It's not that
his dad is Dion. It's not that he was one
of the first guys that made big nil money. Actually,
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my favorite part isn't his strength. He's really accurate. You
want to know my favorite part of Shaduur Sander. The
last two years he has been the most sacked college
quarterback out of every single Power five school. Oh it
gets worse. In the last two years he had the
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worst running game of any other quarterback in Power five conferences.
This is Andy Dufrayne escaping from Shawshank. This kid has
been through a tunnel. Okay, this kid has swam through
a tunnel.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And there's a reason that there aren't a lot of
great Ohio State quarterbacks in the NFL, and not a
lot of great Notre Dame quarterbacks, USC quarterbacks, Texas quarterbacks,
Georgia quarterbacks. Why is that? Why is that? Yet? Cow
The Golden Bears have given us Goff and Aaron Rodgers.
North Carolina State gave us Philip Rivers, gave us Russell Wilson.
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Eastern Illinois gave us Garoppolo and Tony Romo. Why is
that Josh Allen's from Wyoming, Trick Mahomes is from Texas Tech,
Lamar Jackson from a basketball school Louisville. Why is that?
It's because of what Shadeur Sanders faced a tunnel of crap.
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Is that the reality is when you go to an
Ohio State, you take a three three step drop, hit
a receiver, a five star receiver on a drag route.
He goes for forty eight yards. It's easy living. Go
back to Matt Lionerd at USC. How many times was
he sacked? I mean one time one year, it was
eleven times. It's not a real life that you'll face
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in the NFL, especially if you're a top ten lottery pick.
You go to bad teams in battle lines, and bad
receivers and often really bad coaches. That is why Big
Ben didn't go to Ohio State. He was overlooked by them,
Miami of Ohio. Drew Brees didn't go to Texas, he
was overlooked by them. He went to Purdue Mahome. All
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those guys from cal Shadeur Sanders has had to manufacture offense.
And that's what happens in the NFL. Even if you're
Patrick Mahomes because you make so much money, you don't
have an elite offensive left tackle, and you have to
manufacture stuff because you have to let Tyreek Hill go.
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Philadelphia is an outlier. They pay the quarterback and they're loaded.
The reality is in the NFL, if you're a top
ten quarterback, you usually go to a lousy roster or
a really bad smell in the organization, and then once
you do get paid, you're going to be limited on
actually what they can put around you. I mean, that's
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the downside to being a lottery pick. But Shador Sanders,
the most sat quarterback, the worst running game. This kid's
ready for it. It's not that his dad's deon. It's
not that he was the first NIL star or second.
It's not that he's really accurate. He's lived in the NFL.
I mean, Caleb Williams high school and college. Everything was easy.
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He goes to Chicago. That's a real life. The coach,
the coordinators, the roster, you're o line. The media is
not in your corner. So I look at shit Ror
Sanders and I looked it up this morning and he's
seventh in Mel Kuiper's draft. That's exactly that's exactly. By
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the way, if you look at the top seven teams
in the NFL Draft, I could argue the Jets have
the best roster. You're gonna fall a little.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
They got a number one receiver and a number one back,
and they have a left tackle from Penn State. And
they've got maybe the best corner or second best corner
in the league. And they've got a top linebacker. Now
they got a new coaching staff. But I would argue
falling in the draft of the Jets, it's a better
roster than Tennessee or the Giants, or Cleveland or the Raiders.
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So I looked up the composite rankings of Colorado that
Shador Sanders played with. It was even with BYU SMU
and Arizona State. And there are two quarterbacks in this
draft that are ready to play Day one, cam Ward
and Shador Sanders. And the biggest reason is he's lived
a real NFL life, running for his life with no
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running game for two years and having to manufacture offense.
J Mack, you are very fired up. I would ask
you where you got your tickets. I hopefully you had
to pay for him. You didn't get freebie. So you
can relate to people. But you are going to the
game tonight and i'm'm a little jealous, but I'm gonna
sit back watch and my guess is Luca goes for
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forty four. Well, they don't have any rim protection. Dallas's
bigs are all hurt. But the other thing is, you know,
JJ Reddick and Lebron James are going to feed him
the ball for forty minutes. He is going to get
the ball, They're going to initiate offense. This is gonna
be one of those you know, you just do guys
as solid. It's almost like when Lebron would play Cleveland
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in Miami. It's like, we're gonna make sure we get
in the ball. We're gonna make sure it's a solid Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
You think he's maybe dieting today, a little uh, intermittent fasting,
not eating a little like a little slimmer to just
shove it in the face of the math boy. It's
tough to be a Dallas Mavericks fan right now. How
about a Dallas sports fan right now? Colin Cowboys are
in turmoil.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I was in Chicago this weekend and I was talking
to a couple of Chicago sports fans they are going through.
People in Los Angeles are spoiled.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
We are.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean, I mean there has been about an eight
year run. I mean, think of our football coaches. We've
had Chip Kelly, Lincoln Riley, Jim Harbaugh, Sean McVay. Our
quarterbacks have been Caleb Williams, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff got
shipped out of town. He wasn't good enough, and Justin
Herbert not not bad. No, so it's and all of
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a sudden, Luca falls in the lap of the Lakers.
So it is Tonight's gonna be a big night, now
huge massive.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I'll go triple double for Luca, thirty two point triple double.
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Speaker 1 (12:13):
Is that you've seen everything like four times and that
you tend not to overreact to stuff, and you realize
that sports is very cyclical, and let me just give
you an advantage. Boxing used to be a much bigger deal,
but it was poorly run. UFC was brilliantly run by
Dana White and the Fertida family. UFC killed boxing, it'll
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never return. Horse racing used to be bigger, too many controversies.
Tennis just went through a twenty year run of Nadal,
Feeder and Djokovic maybe the three best players ever. Men's
tennis will never duplicate that again. That will never happen.
Sometimes great happens Tiger Woods and golf. Literally the Sopranos,
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the NFL and Tiger Woods. The only thing that got
me to a TV on Sunday. I would race home
to see Tiger Woods. If I did stuff in the
morning on a Saturday or a Sunday. I've never done
that in my entire life. There'll be no more Tigers.
I mean, I love Dustin Johnson, Brooks, Koepka, I like
all of them. It's not Tiger Woods. He was a
meteor for ten to twelve years. It's okay. Sports are cyclical.
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Take the NFL out. It's our English Premier League. We
watch it, it's perfect for TV and we bet it
like crazy, and many of us played it. Take the
English Premier League out. Cricket used to be much bigger
in England. It's called their national pastime. It takes four days.
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Nobody's waiting four days for a result from a sparning event.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
It's died.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Mostly baseball up and down. Huge in the seventies, not
as big in the eighties, really quiet for twenty years.
And now they've got all the stars lined up in
the big markets and they just set ratings and they've
sped the game up. There's been a lot of time
talk about the NBA, and it should be noted before
I give you this SoundBite. They just signed an eleven year,
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seventy six billion, billion dollar deal. There's an old saying
about the Bible, treat others as you want to be treated.
Everything else in it is just commentary, and there's a
saying in sports, just get the contract. Everything else's noise.
Adam Silver, the owners and the players. Eleven year, seventy
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six billion. But there's a lot of critics about the NBA,
and Channing Fry, never afraid to have a strong opinion, says,
this is what's killing the league.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. That nineties basketball Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think it was.
Every great player, whether that's Aunt wemby Ron, you know, Steph,
this that this that you know, they compare them to
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a month forty years ago. The rules weren't even the same.
Nobody celebrates these new people, So why the would anybody
want to be the face of this league. You're gonna
get on on every network for not being somebody from
forty years ago. Bron is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest
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players ever to play. Jannis is one of the great
Jokic and you know what we do. We talk about
Michael Jordan. All this superstar era is over.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well, yes, this is true, and TV ratings are down,
but I saw this this morning that basketball this past
year had eighteen billion views across social media. Far and
away the most people are watching it. Differently, the NBA
isn't hockey. I talked about it yesterday the first time
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in two years. You know what I'm not talking about
on today's show, Oh hockey? We talk basketball. Every show
like mine talks basketball. We played it. If we don't
like pro basketball, we used to. If we don't like
it now we still like March badness. We all shot
a ball, few of us shot a puck. The NBA
is part gossip, infighting, drama, rumors. It's like those magazines
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at the cashier at every grocery store. The NBA is
the Kardashians plus People magazine plus US Weekly. Yes, they
need to do some tweaking. Like baseball, they're slow to it.
They need to shorten the playoff series from seven games
in our first rounder to three five make the games
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more urgent. Eighty two games feels long. How about sixty eight?
How about fine players seven figures suspend them for two
and three week periods without pay for load management, which
is just egregiously outrageously nauseating. NFL players play hurt every
Sunday in blizzards. You have an ice cream headache and
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you have to sit out. Give me a break. It's gross.
But the good news is the Knicks, the Celtics, and
the Lakers, the three biggest brands, are now all good
and they're all ascending. The number one player in this
next draft is Cooper Flag from Duke. By the way,
this next draft is a domestic draft. Lots of kids
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from Duke and Carolina. So yes, I think there's too
many three point shots. I think they should cap it
at maybe fifteen or eighteen per teen then no matter
where you shoot it it's worth two points. Yes, I
think they should shorten either the season or playoffs. But
we talk basketball. They just signed an eleven year, seventy
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six billion dollar deal. If I sell my whole house
and I get the bag on it and it goes
down when you own it, that's a U problem. I
got it. It was nice when I lived in it.
They got the bag, they got the contract. Adam Silver's happy,
the players are happy, the owners are happy. Do I
think NBC overpaid for it? I do. Do I think
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Amazon overpaid for it? I do? But in the end,
this is a sport that we watched it in high school.
One of the best sports movies arguably is Hoosiers. We
still watch March Madness. Women's basketball has Caitlin Clark and
it's growing. The NBA is well financed, and love it
or hate it like the Kardashians, it's relevant. We talk
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about it all the time, and yesterday it was the
first time in two years. This show and many others
talks hockey. What you want to be in sports because
everybody knows the NFL is the sun. Everything gets its
heat from the NFL, Everything rotates around it. Get the
NFL out of here and in England and the UK
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get the English Premier League. GOA. Everything is second place.
So starting in second place. College football, I love it.
Baseball on a heater, NBA at least socially and culturally
very relevant. Yes, we talked too much about Michael Jordan,
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but Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player probably ever. Michael
Jordan was the coolest, he was the best dressed, he
was the best looking, he was the most relentless. He
went six for six in the finals. It's okay, but
this idea that we don't talk about Steph, Yeah, we
do all the time. I've done five hundred segments on Steph. Well,
we don't reward Jokic. He should have won three straight MVPs.
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He's just kind of a boring player. So was Kareem
in his prime. Sometimes Biggs don't want to talk. Shack's
an outlier. The league's fine ratings are down. It needs
to be tweaked. But when Michael Jordan left, the ratings
went down fifty percent, and it wasn't about politics. It
was about they missed Michael. Take the NFL out and
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look at how cyclical sports is. Boxing's dead horse, racing's
less relevant. Radio is not the water cooler topic it
used to be. Soccer is bigger. World Cup ratings are
huge networks Netflix, Fox. Everybody's fighting to get the World Cup.
What they're not fighting for is baseball, so everything changes.
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It's highly cyclical. The English Premier League, in the NFL,
those are different discussions and everybody's chasing those. But tennis,
men's tennis will never be as big as it was
for the last twenty years, and golf will never have
another Tiger Woods. That would scare me. The NBA ratings
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are down on TV, most of it on cable TV.
Everything outside of talking Trump is down on cable TV,
isn't it? It'll survive.
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Speaker 1 (21:54):
So I'm watching on the video last night, I'm watching
some aibot do these amazing things and it's like ninety
percent human, and yet we still have grown men that
collect baseball cards. Boy, some of you just love romanticizing
the past, and I'm just not here for it. Nothing
wears me out like sports guy reliving the good old days. Yes,
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you can occasionally bring up Michael Jordan and Lebron James
and that debate. But there's so much great right in
front of us. And I saw this. Five major college
football programs, USC, Texas, Florida State, Nebraska, Missouri and several
others are going to follow. They're canceling their spring game
and they should. There's no need for it. Steve Starkeshan
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was on with Kay Adams recently and said, it's now
a pro football format.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
Over the last two years, we've played thirty games. That's
a lot for college football. The development that's needed for
these guys to get ready for the fall is a
little bit different than it used to be, and so
our approach is going to be a little bit more
NFL driven, kind of more of an Ota style early on,
and as we grow into more of the scrimmage formats
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and the second half of spring ball that I just
don't know. Rolling the ball out, playing the game and
when we only get fifteen practices is the best for us.
I think college football is changing right now, and we
need to do a great job as coaches of adapting
to college football.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, stop complaining about the NIL, stop complaining about the
transfer portal. College football now looks a lot as it should,
like pro football general managers. Yep, everybody's hiring a general manager,
so a coach doesn't have to figure out the budget salaries,
a playoff format. Computers and sports writers aren't figuring out
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the national championship. We're not hinging on bad bowl games
sponsored by pop tarts. The reality is you got to
beat three or four great teams down the stretch to
be a national champion. That's the way it should be. Now.
The NFL tweaks every year. College football so far behind
and outdated. It has to make some seismic moves. More
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big games, a real playoff format, real free agency. Bill
Belichick is now in college football. Chip Kelly left college
went back to the pros. Why not, they're the same thing.
I'll just take the bigger check. There was always this
big gap between college and pro football, and my take
was always why the reason boxing died. It was potentially
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a billion dollar business and it was poorly run. College
football's attendance and ratings were going down. That's why Fox
and ESPN and the NBC stepped in and said, let's
make it more NFL, let's have two major conferences. Let's
the PAC twelve. The games are empty. There's one or
two programs that matter. Let's move the big conferences together,
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PAC twelve. Why don't you join the Big ten and
make one super company. And let's take Texas Oklahoma and
let's put a into the SEC. That's not to say
you can't make the playoff from the ACC or the
Big twelve of the Mountain West, but it's like grown
up sports now, free agency playoff format transfer portal. You
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can either complain about stuff or put your arms around
it and go Okay. The world's changing, and I'm watching
AI robots last night. Some of you are collecting baseball
cards and you're forty nine years old. It's time to
stop looking in the rearview mirror. This is the future
of college football. Big games playoff at the end, sometimes
playing in bad weather, physicality rules. I love it. And
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you know it's like I watched the Dodgers defer these
payments and people are complaining that the Dodgers are deferring
payments to show hey and Mooki Betts, Well it's legal.
That's a U problem. Grow up. I mean, I mean
analytics and sports force old farts out of work like
NBA people that don't put their arms around the three
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point shot unless you're Greg Popovich fired. And baseball gms
that don't pay attention to analytics and now deferring payments,
you're gonna get fired. So spring football is a relic,
It doesn't Matt? What about the fans? What about him?
Ratings were up this year? What about the fans? Ninety
percent of people that love college football do not go
to the games. They watch it on television, and TV
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was better than ever. All right, So J Mack's been
on this heater for a while and I don't agree.
But when I ran that clip and we went to
a commercial, J Mack was giddy. So he thinks Channing
Fry is basically just taking a shot at Charles Barkley
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and shack on inside the NBA who constantly hammer the players.
And here was the bite. Is Channing Fry taking a
shot at Shaq and Charles.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. The nineties basketball Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think it was.
Every great player, whether that's Aunt Wemby, Bron, you know,
step this this that you know, they compare them to
(27:09):
a month forty years ago, the rules weren't even the same.
Nobody celebrates these new people, So why the would anybody
want to be the face of this league.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
You're gonna getn.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
On every network for not being somebody from forty ten
years ago. Bron is one of the greatest players ever
to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Jannie is one of the great Jokic
and you know what we do, we talk about Michael Jordan.
All this superstar era is over.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, so let me start with this. We don't celebrate
Lebron James. We haven't celebrated celebrated Steph Curry and Kevin Durant.
Of course we've celebrated him, but the bigger picture with Barkley.
So I've always felt this NFL media is top. NFL
media criticizes rookies, they criticize coaches, they criticize players. It's
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very similar to the way the media in the UK
treats the English Premier League.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
It's vicious, and.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Our football media is grown ups and they're tough and
they hammer everybody. Our basketball media, college and pro is
very soft and overwhelmingly tries to curry favor with the Stars.
Barkley is the only Barkley and Shack and that show
are the only show that holds players and load management
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accountable by and large the NBA media, because everybody's trying
to curry favor with you know, Rich Paul, and he's very, very,
very talented, and they're trying to curry favor with the
stars and the top agents, very little critical media. I've
stopped bringing on certain NBA reporters who are good people,
but it's all fluff. Everybody's great. Well, let's address load
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management like Baseball's got this problem too, where too many
of the reporters are romanticizing baseball. Tom Verducci, who I
think is brilliant, Verducci was the first guy to say
they're steroids all over the sport. Verducci was also the
first guy to say the game's too slow, too many
pitchers three and a half hours. It takes sometimes a
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strong opinion from a very notable person to push back
on a sport. And I think Barkley and Shack are
the guys that are like, why aren't you playing? Why
are you rest? I want a show that is hard
and has teeth and bite into the players. We can't.
They're not PR firms. My job is going to be
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a PR guy. Barkley's the opposite of that. Now, is
Barkley too critical? Certainly can argue that. But if you
take that show out ESPN mostly fluff, mostly pro player
pro NBA, everything's great and it's not. I'm not saying
everybody on ESPN is, but the broadcast sometimes feel like
it's owned by it's owned by the team. It's like, guys,
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it's okay to criticize players. I think Barkley and Shack provide.
They're the outlier. They're the dogs on TV that criticize players. Now,
J Mack, you think the opposite, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Come on, the reason these guys want to sit out
is so they're rested for the playoffs. Why because you
got these guys on TV every night there's NBA games. Well,
he doesn't have the rings, he doesn't have a championship,
he's this, he's that. Well, why would I want to
play in January and February when all that matters is
the playoffs and if I can win a championship. These
guys have bashed Curry and Clay, the Splash brothers. They
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blash Kevin Durant, like he's like a bum. I mean,
they're like not counting Kevin Durant's championships in Golden State. Well,
he doesn't really have a title.
Speaker 11 (30:44):
He joined the war Like, that's the crap.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well, that's a little over the top.
Speaker 11 (30:47):
That's the nonsense they say. I've tuned them out. Obviously
they're entertaining and fun.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
But you've heard the phrase young snakes have the most venom, right,
You've heard that. Okay, there's so many good young players
in the league right now that have a comp us
more than Michael Jordan did in his first five years.
Speaker 11 (31:03):
And we don't give these guys any props. We're like, oh,
y got Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Come on, But isn't that what pr firms do. Isn't
that what.
Speaker 11 (31:09):
Team's asking for fluff?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I'm just not asking to rip guys every night for
what they haven't accomplished when they're.
Speaker 11 (31:15):
Like twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Luca, by the way, Luca first five years in his
way has done more than any other player.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Lamar Jackson's won seventy seven percent of his games. I
have to literally defend him weekly. He gets eaten alive
by everyone in January.
Speaker 11 (31:29):
You got to defend him because he always shows up
and kind of poop.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
What's my point is I defend Lamar. I feel like
I'm in a small group of defenders because he wins
seventy six percent of his games. But there's no national
concern that we're too hard on Lamar Jackson. It's football.
Deal with it. You're gonna get criticized if you're a quarterback.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
Well, wait a minute, he's awesome in the regular season.
We've been We said that in audio. What happens in January?
Tell me where the results?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Where are the results from an Edwards?
Speaker 6 (31:58):
He's like twenty four years old, full time MVVY.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Has been ripped day one and now well he.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
Wins the m vv every year. We expect the best
player to win championship.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, an ant is one of the best players in
the league and is certainly in the MVB consideration, and
we're worried that he's getting too much criticism.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
I would agree that's a great question for Chris Finch.
Is Anthony Edwards getting too much criticism?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
We crush quarterbacks, it's part of the game. We crush politicians,
it's part of the game. Why can't NBA stars be crushed?
Speaker 6 (32:31):
I think they are getting crushed by one show, unfair
one Show.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
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Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, sometimes you get lucky. It is the greatest road
win in the history of regular season NBA last night
Chris Finch and the t Wolves. Uh, first time ever
a team is trailed by over twenty entering the fourth
and won. And you scored forty one points in the
fourth against the number one rated defense. So I want
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when you go into the fourth quarter, you you were
Belichick meets Andy Reid meets Red Arback. What did you
tell What do you tell a team you're getting housed
against an excellent team? What did you tell your team?
Speaker 12 (33:20):
Well, I mean, first of all, I think you just
you have to have that competitiveness in you, you know,
and we have a lot of competitors, and our team's fighting,
and we've had a couple comebacks like that, not quite
as big.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
But you've been a lot of close games.
Speaker 12 (33:33):
Yeah, we've been in a lot of clutch games. But
it was really the young guys. So the rookies who
brought us back into that game, and sometimes you just
need that young energy. So the third time we played
Oklahoma City in four games, we played them the night
before and so just they brought the juice and made
a couple of plays and full disclosure calling I at
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about ten minutes on the clock, we were down nineteen.
I was almost going to pull the two remaining starters,
and then I thought, let me just see what happens
here for the next minute or so, and then I
think we got an a one and kind of cut
it to sixteen, and then you think, well, maybe we'll
see you know, and.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Then just kind of snowball from there.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
By the way, Oklahoma City, Now, let's play the clip. Chris,
despite winning, a little fired up after he maybe a
little lighter in the wall in a couple of days.
Here's Chris after the win last night.
Speaker 12 (34:26):
It's so frustrating to play this team because they foul
a ton, you know, they really do.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
They foul.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
They fell all the time, and then you know, you
can't really touch Shay and it's a it's a very
frustrating thing, and it takes a lot of mental toughness
to try to play through it, and you know, we
just eventually were able to get downhill and force, you know,
force the issue ourselves and we're rewarded for it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So J Mack has been on this all season. He
has been on this all seat. I defend SGA, I
defend Carl Malone, I defend James Harden. I don't think
you get that whistle in the playoffs, and I think
that's problematic. Carl Malone didn't, Harden didn't, SJ won't. But
there are players that do create contact. Luca, by the way,
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it's phenomenal at it. But you obviously feel strongly about this.
Were you sending a message? What was that for?
Speaker 12 (35:22):
I mean, first of all, I would thanks for bringing
to attention. But more to the point, it's like they're
very physical defense, which is I mean, they've done.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
A great job building their defense there. They swarm you.
Speaker 12 (35:36):
And there's an adage when you're playing defense, like, hey,
if we're physical and we're fouling all over the place,
they're not going to be able to call them all.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
That's Jerry Sloan with a jazz. Jerry Sloane would just
be so physical they can't blow the whistle.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
All night, and and and all credit to the league.
Speaker 12 (35:51):
You know, about a year ago they decided that they
were going to allow more physicality into the game. We
love it too, and we're a defensive team and we
benefit from that. But then, and when you have a
player on the other end, Shay, who's so crafty and
so hard to guard, and he's able to slow the
game down in a way where everything's focused on him,
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so all the all the contact is kind of accentuated.
I it's it's it is a very tough mental you know,
trap that you have to fight through with your players
because you want to be able to match physicality when
the game is physical, and you can't do it around
a player like Shaye because he's so crafty.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, there are certain players. Jokich is one, Sga is one,
and Luke is one. It doesn't matter what the pace
of the game is. Yes, they played at their pace.
Speaker 12 (36:38):
Yeah, I mean the guy's selling popcorn is selling popcorn
at their pace.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
And okay, so Ant's an interesting player. What is so aunt?
I was surprised today. I know he was like top ten.
He leads the NBA in three point shots made what
and I've complained about this. I want ant being dynamic.
I also understand like Wemb's shooting to me too many threes,
But I understand the game and the analytics as a coach.
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What is the dividing line, the line in the sand
on Okay, I want you to shoot threes, but you
can beat guys off the dribble and beat dynamic. Do
you fight with that?
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Well?
Speaker 12 (37:15):
I think I asked this question a lot, like what's
the number of threes you like ideally like Anthony to shoot.
I don't really have a number. I just want good ones,
and he's done it. I think largely the ones he's
taken this year are good. He came into the season
trying to up his volume because, as crazy as it
may sound, I think for the first time he gained
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full confidence in his shot. He's always been able to
make it. We've always been preaching, hey, this is something
you really do. You need to trust it more. And
I think he started the season on such a hot
streak that he kind of relied on it, maybe a
little too much. And then since Christmas time he's really
gone back to attacking more. I love his shot balance
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right now, he's attacking more, his free throws are up
as a result. But yet he's still shooting good shots
and making him out a high clip. So I think he's,
you know, kind of mastered it. Right now, we've seen
a few more of the Anthony dunks and spectacular plays
going to the rim in the last month and a half.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
You didn't want to necessarily move off Cat. But it's
the CBA, it's the reality. So you bring in Julius
Randall a little ball centric for me, but he's a
bit more of an initiator that can get ant good looks.
Karl Anthony Towns isn't. So it works out. But the
new CBA. I mean, here's my theory on the Luca trade,
and you tell me if I'm wrong. My theory is
it was. It was different when you pay a guy
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thirty five million, So a billionaire goes there's a lot
of money. But you know, quarterbacks of the NFL are
making sixty If I got to pay a guy seventy
five million, now, it's like that's more than Patrick Mahomes.
That's that's double Josh Allen, that's double what Lebron made
in his prime. I'm gonna consider everything condition thing's bad,
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bad defensive player so I didn't buy it was just
Nico the GM. My take is this new CBA, the
Stars won, but I think billionaire owners now are like, wait, wait, wait, wait,
seventy five billion is a number that is so punitive
if the players hurt or isn't in condition. So my
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take is the players think they won the Stars, but
I think billionaires look at that number and think that
is double aeron judge and they played twice our games
and that went into the Luca trade.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, I would agree. I would agree with that.
Speaker 12 (39:42):
I think now in the new CBA landscape, you really
have to decide, like you know obviously who you're gonna
marry going forward. There's amazing talent. Luca is an amazing talent,
take and that's their decision.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
I'm not going to comment too much on that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
He've been hurt a lot.
Speaker 12 (39:56):
Yeah, but I also think when you when you get
to this point with the with these salaries, it really
limits your ability to continue to construct teams around that
star without it being further punitive with the double apron
and now just being able to escape those areas of
the CBA to kind of readjust which is what we
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had to do so we could continue to build around.
Speaker 13 (40:20):
And had to move Carlin towns and so it's it's
like the tax code right now, I mean trying to
figure out the tax code.
Speaker 12 (40:32):
Mean, it's so complicated and a lot of these teams
are now having to kind of pivot quickly to set
themselves up for four and five years down the road,
which is, you know, an interesting place to be when
you're roster building.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I want to throw this at you that when before
I kept saying about a month ago, just get Jimmy
Butler with staff. I don't care what analytics say. He
has the emotional intelligence. He'll work with Draymond and staff.
And Kurr is that if you're a little score earlier young,
it won't work there, and that he's intense, but it'll work,
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and it has worked. So I want you to talk
about this. Julius Randall, by the way, has worked better
than I thought. With Aunt, I didn't think it would work.
I thought he was too ball centric and I think
Ant needs the ball. But it has worked. So I
want you to talk about the Warriors and Jimmy Butler.
Butler has a reputation that he's tough. Everywhere he goes,
he wins what is it about him? Did you think
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the Warriors did you think it would work as well
as it did?
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Yeah, I thought it would work. I did.
Speaker 12 (41:33):
I think you know, Jimmy high basketball like you. He
fits their basketball culture. He doesn't need the ball, and
when he has the ball, he's looking to make his teammates.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Very intentional.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, he's very intentional.
Speaker 12 (41:45):
He can get to the line, which is something that
they struggled with, which helps you control games. And you know,
he's a perfect partner alongside Draymond because of the defensive flexibility,
the toughness, the rebounding, and he immediately understand as we've seen,
you know, how Steph plays and how to make you know,
how to kind of jive with that with the playmaking.
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You know, he's just waiting to find Stephi's a lot
like Draymond in that way. But then when needed, he
can step up and make a shot. And the admirable thing,
not only does he win everywhere, his numbers go up
in the playoffs, which you don't often.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Yeah, so you know, we're done with him for the
season for that.
Speaker 12 (42:26):
I'm glad hopefully we can keep him behind us in
this race coming down the stretch.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
But they are going to be a problem.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So and I like to ask you these mask macro
league questions and I'll get back to Ann Edwards at
the end. But I thought JJ Reddick had a moment
this week and he said the quiet part out loud,
which is, we're going to run the offense through Luca.
I think Lebron wanted to run the offense through a
d but he doesn't. He's not a playmaker. I thought
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when Lebron was in his prime, even Kyrie had to
be off ball. Lebron was just the best player I've
ever seen. D Wade relinquished it very quickly four practices in.
You run the office. But I do think JJ touched
on something that people haven't said out loud, which is, no,
it's will save you for your spurts from somebody who
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knows the game on such a micro level. Lebron's always
been a fascinating player because you'd love for him to
play off ball, but he's so damn good at beating
people to the basket. How do you think Luca Lebron
will look going forward? Ideally, because sometimes your greatest gift
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is a burden, and I think Lebron sometimes he is
the ecosystem. It just has to run through him. But
when JJ said that, I was like, man, he said,
the quiet part out loud? Do you think it's problematic?
How do you think it'll look.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
I think sometimes when you're a coach, you have to
say the quiet part out loud so there's clarity in
your team, you know.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
And it's not always comfortable.
Speaker 12 (43:56):
You know. Luca's grown up playing with the ball in
his hands his entire life, just as Lebron has, you know.
And the key will be how they divide those minutes,
and they'll stagger them just enough so they all get
their own usage. And I think we've seen early on
when Luca tries to overly defer. You know, that's when
he was it's not his game and he was turning
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it over and he was a little bit uncomfortable. And
I think that all comes from a good place. They're
trying to accommodate each other right now. I think they'll
all get to a point where they'll say, you know,
I got to be me. But I do believe that
because they're both so such exceptional passers and they're wired
to make the right play almost all the time.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
That's why I love it.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
And and really admire about Lebron is that he's he
makes the right play if it's if it's a cut,
if it's a path, you know, if it's a drive
or a run in transition, he's going to do it.
And Luca's learned that too. You know, when he gets doubled,
he makes the right play all the time. He doesn't
force it anymore. And I think that kind of mentality
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gives them the best chants to be really successful with
each other.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I think the NBA has always been a player's league
since Spencer Haywood, right, like, you can go back to
where the players had a real say. I have no
problem with it, and I like Adam Silver. I think
he's very bright. He didn't want any more work stoppages.
I think the money train is flying. But I do
think sometimes he's a bit of a permissive parent. David
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Stern was a barker. He would not allowed load management.
This thing's gotten out of hand, in my opinion. The
players now make so much money that they have so
much control. And again I'm not bothered by it. That's
who we go to watch. But I think the All
Star Game is a prime example. Stars don't want to
play it. There's nothing you can do. You have aunt
and is the most dynamic player in the league. Are
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there eggshells you have to walk on with a superstar player?
They're not firing him if you go on a four
game winning streak. Is it tough for you, Chris, knowing
that you have one of the four seminal players in
this league that people buy it take it to watch.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
Well, I mean, it's it's the reality of our league.
You know.
Speaker 12 (46:04):
Coaching is the ultimate middle management position in our league.
So you have to have a relationship with these guys.
You have to understand. Unfortunately, for Anthony, he's wired in
the right way. He's highly coachable, he cares, he competes,
he's about the right things. And you know, we all
know that it's a players league and that's what's the
beauty of it. And of course these guys are amazing
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and people should come to watch them play all the time.
You know, I do feel that, you know, with the
All Star Game, it's kind of gotten to a point where.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Everybody's scratching their head. They don't know how to make
it better.
Speaker 12 (46:39):
For me, I would just lean into the fact that
it's an incredible fan Fest weekend.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
I mean there's a lot, there's a lot at stake.
Speaker 12 (46:46):
I do think if you han't been the coach last year,
the players did show up with the mindset or some
of them or showed up with the mindset to want
to compete. But if you have half the players who
don't want to compete in half that, do you know,
you don't have a chance to have a competitive game.
So I do think like they have to rethink that
maybe they just like kind of go away from the
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game even and just have more events with more player
interactivity with the fans, which is really what people want.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, you know, I think the NBA, I said this earlier,
outside of the NFL, which is the English Premier League
of the UK, is that everything's cyclical. I mean, boxing
was huge, it's over. Tennis just had three extraordinary players,
all in their prime, playing at the same time for
fifteen years. We'll never see that again. I mean that
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you have to go back to like Connors and McEnroe
and Borg. Yeah, and do you worry? Do you worry?
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Though?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
The league is getting international to a point where I
guess I'll ask this, the league doesn't have a face
of the league does it need one? Do you believe
that would fix Like Caitlin Clark, literally one player from
Iowa fixed a lot of the w NBA problems. I
always say this in politics. The Democrats were lost, Obama
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showed up suddenly, the Conservatives were lost. Trump shows up
now Democrats are the bottom line. Sometimes a singular personality
changes the direction of a political party of a league.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
You know, pre.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Pre Magic and Bird, NBA was kind of a mess,
like they had a drug problem. If I said to you,
let's solve this ratings problem, Chris Finch, what do you
think it is?
Speaker 12 (48:34):
Yeah, I don't think it's a face of the league problem, Colin.
I think there's a lot of good stars. I mean
there may you know, there may not be a supernova
out there right now just to drag the league along.
I do think that the game is in a great
place in terms of its competitiveness.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Games like last night are like.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Game seven of the Western com I mean, you guys
were it was incredibly intense.
Speaker 12 (48:57):
And there's so there's you're never out of a game
that I mean, these games are wild. The variants in
the league with the three point shooting in the pace
and just kind of never out of the league right now.
That one thing I've said about the All Star Game
is like, we see such great spectacular plays from these
guys going against each other every single night that you
don't need to see it in an All Star game.
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You know, we see such amazing plays and on a
nightly basis. I do think there can be some thought
into the schedule. I'm an advocate for less games. You know,
obviously people are going to have to give up money
to make that work, and for the betterment of the game,
I think it's worth considering. You know, I might not
have a job when I walk off this set, but
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I think that that's a way to kind of increase
the not just maybe the participation of the league's best
players on a nightly basis, but also to kind of
draw focus to maybe three games a week as a
nice rhythm, and we can look back and say, hey,
what happened in the NBA this week, because everybody's kind
of played a bit of a balanced schedule. And I
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think that way we could, you know, we can highlight
some of the great plays. Sometimes when there's so many games,
we can't watch them all, We can't see it all,
and it becomes you know, a little bit of white noise,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
So if I instead of asking you who's the best
team in the league you've played, if I ask you, Chris,
who would you not either conference? Who would you not
want to play in a series?
Speaker 12 (50:28):
Well, I mean Cleveland kicked our tail twice. I mean
I think they're I think their efficiency's insane. Yeah, and
they are complete. You know, there's a lot of good
teams in the league right The West is just loaded
top to bottom, but teams that have been super impressed
with Whenever.
Speaker 7 (50:43):
Nineties basketball Michael Jordan and Kobe was not as clean
as y'all think it was. Every great player, whether that's
in wemby Ron, you know, step this, that this that,
you know, they compare them to a month forty years ago.
The rules weren't even the same. Nobody celebrates these new people.
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So why the would anybody want to be the face
of this league. You're gonna get done on every network
for not being somebody from forty years ago. Bron is
one of the greatest players ever to play. Stephen Curry
is one of the greatest players ever to play. Jannis
is one of the great Jokic and you know what
we do. We talk about Michael Jordan. All this superstar
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era is over.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Okay, clear shot. It appears to me at Barkley inside
the league. Does Barkley bother the players?
Speaker 5 (51:39):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
No.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
I think.
Speaker 12 (51:41):
I mean, I would say most people thoroughly enjoy that
show for what it is. It's part of the fabric
of the NBA. It's it's it's irreverent, it's entertaining.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
I think it's a comedy shit.
Speaker 12 (51:53):
Yeah, I mean I should they should have a disclaimer
for entertainment purposes only. So, but I mean it's you know,
it's it's part of our league. I mean, it's it's
baked into our league and we love that. But it's
I don't think it's bothered. There are some things here
and there. I think it's gotten a little personal. It's
had a little spice, you know. I know in the
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playoffs last year when they had Draymon on and he
was going at rude.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I thought Draymond was a little over the top.
Speaker 12 (52:18):
Yeah, but you know, it added some spice and it
was fine. It all went away quickly. But no one's
overly bothered by.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
It, Okay.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
J Maak thinks it's the it's the fall of the
Roman Empire. Here, he just drives him crazy. I do
think at some point that's a great line. I consider
it almost is Ernie is the ring master. It's got
almost a pro wrestling feel too. They make you sexual jokes.
It's like there are certain shows that break all the rules.
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That's the show on TV that breaks all the rules.
I mean they swear, it's it's innuendos about relationships. They're
calling certain women in certain cities overweight. I'm like, this
is totally inappropriate it and it kind of works. So
and then, and to your point, everybody.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Kind of gets its. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
You got it, didn't you? You got a technical like three
weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I did.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
And you're not a real You don't bark a lot.
Speaker 5 (53:11):
I bark a lot. Yeah, I just tried to.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Did you drop a was it a word?
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah? Boo? Yeah, you called it?
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Okay, I'm the referee, dude, What did you say?
Speaker 5 (53:24):
I said, you're a boso.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
That's kind of what you would say. And he just
teed you up for that.
Speaker 5 (53:32):
I think it was I had been complaining for a lot.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Oh, you'd been complaining for a while. Yeah yeah, did
you drop a word before?
Speaker 5 (53:39):
You might have? Definitely after.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Great, see you.
Speaker 5 (53:45):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Thanks Chris Finch off the craziest win NBA history last night,
come back on the road and beat Okay.
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Here we Go. It is a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening thanks to making as part of your day.
Tonight is the night. Tonight is the night Luca Dante,
the newest Laker in Los Angeles and the team that
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traded him away shockingly, the Dallas Mavericks, limp into town
with all their bigs injured. This has the potential to
get really ugly. Jmack is going to this one. I'll
be locked on a TV, smoking a stog, maybe knocking
down a Jit and soda, checking out what will be
a spectacle in Los Angeles tonight. And this is a city.
(01:11):
Over the last several years between Mookie Betts and Freeman
and Shoeyo Tani and Lincoln Riley and Jim Harbaugh and
a lot of stars coming to town. J Mac, Tonight
is gonna be interesting. So Luka dantic at home hosting
the MAVs. You're gonna officially see how awful this trade was.
Luca's gonna be inspired, He's gonna be ticked off, and
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JJ Reddick and Lebron James are gonna make sure he eats.
They're gonna feed him the ball all night. This is
gonna be the New York Giants against Saquon Barkley. This
is gonna be dinner with your ex and she upgraded.
You're gonna be wondering if you're Dallas, what was I thinking?
Where did it all go wrong? It sets up to
be a blood bath potentially because Dallas all their bigs
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are hurt. So Luca's gonna score anyway he wants. And
I said this, If the Ais would have gotten Anthony Davis,
Austin Reeves and three first round picks, I still wouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Made the deal.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But I but I could. I you know, he's hurt conditioning.
Maybe I'd sleep a little better at night. But give
it him away for one pick for Anthony Davis and
he is not twenty six years old yet, he's got
two more days to be twenty five. And here's the thing,
the thing I'm thinking about this morning. Yes, Saquon Barkley
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to the Eagles was a huge gaff by Joe Shane
the Giants gym. But Saquon Barkley's a running back. They
don't last forever thirty two years old. They can be
out of the game thirty three years old. They retire soon,
So you don't have to sit and watch this forever.
Luca's twenty five. If he gets the conditioning right, he
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could be dropping thirty three points a night for the
next fourteen years. And the other thing, He's in the
Western Conference, so Luca could be keeping Dallas because I
actually like Dallas's roster, Ad Kyrie, their size, their coach.
I actually like Dallas's roster. But there's a real opportunity
here for the Lakers to bounce the Mavericks out for years.
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And this is a player that is just in two
days turning twenty six, so years ago, about fifteen straight
years out of college. I used to have a dream
that haunted me and it may have lasted twenty years
and this thing woke me up in a sweat about
three times a month. I had this dream that I
was going to take a college final and I wasn't prepared,
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and I had this dream all the time. And just
think about it this way, Luca is advanced calculus, and
the Mavericks Nico Harrison is gonna spend the next twelve
to thirteen years waking up at least two to three
times a month in a sweat. That's why if you're
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gonna trade Luca, you gotta get assets. You gotta get Amo,
you gotta get Hi out to your conference. He can't
get in the way of keeping you from trophies. So
tonight's the night. Dirk Nevinsky previously in Dallas their greatest
player ever. Uh, he'll be here tonight, and he has
been in LA several times to support Luca.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I felt a little disappointed and sad for him. You know,
I think he obviously didn't see this coming. So he
invited me to come out to his first game in LA,
and I felt like I had to support him. And
it was reported that he was pretty obviously down and
disappointed how how it went down, and so I wanted
to be there for him. I wanted to just be
there for his family and and then show support.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
It was weird.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
It was surreal to to see him play for the Lakers.
And so at the end of the day, I mean,
I'll ever be a Lakers fan, but it was always
be a Luca fan.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Uh, Tonight is a spectacle. We've been lucky in Los Angeles.
We've just had big coaches, and you know, Stafford to
town and harbaught a town and Shohey moves up the
I five, and here comes Freddie Freeman from Atlanta, and
here comes Molchy Betts and now it's Luca in our
lap and facing his Mavericks hobbling into town.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Tonight.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Can't wait. So mel Kiper, maybe you've heard of him,
has a big mock draft and he released it today
and a lot of people are surprised that Shahduur Sanders,
who people you know. During the college football season, many
people speculated he'd go number one. He's going number seven
in the mock draft of the New York Jets. And
(05:33):
I was thinking about this this morning. That's about where
he should go. I think he's a good B plus prospect.
I think he's a good kid. He's accurate. But my
favorite part about Shador Sanders is not It's not that
his dad is Dion. It's not that he was one
of the first guys that made big nil money. Actually,
(05:53):
my favorite part isn't his strength. He's really accurate. You
want to know my favorite part of Shaduur Sander. The
last two years he has been the most sacked college
quarterback out of every single Power five school. Oh it
gets worse. In the last two years he had the
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worst running game of any other quarterback in Power five conferences.
This is Andy Dufrayne escaping from Shawshank. This kid has
been through a tunnel. Okay, this kid has swam through
a tunnel.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And there's a reason that there aren't a lot of
great Ohio State quarterbacks in the NFL, and not a
lot of great Notre Dame quarterbacks, USC quarterbacks, Texas quarterbacks,
Georgia quarterbacks. Why is that? Why is that? Yet? Cow
The Golden Bears have given us Goff and Aaron Rodgers.
North Carolina State gave us Philip Rivers, gave us Russell Wilson.
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Eastern Illinois gave us Garoppolo and Tony Romo. Why is
that Josh Allen's from Wyoming, Trick Mahomes is from Texas Tech,
Lamar Jackson from a basketball school Louisville. Why is that?
It's because of what Shadeur Sanders faced a tunnel of crap.
(07:14):
Is that the reality is when you go to an
Ohio State, you take a three three step drop, hit
a receiver, a five star receiver on a drag route.
He goes for forty eight yards. It's easy living. Go
back to Matt Lionerd at USC. How many times was
he sacked? I mean one time one year, it was
eleven times. It's not a real life that you'll face
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in the NFL, especially if you're a top ten lottery pick.
You go to bad teams in battle lines, and bad
receivers and often really bad coaches. That is why Big
Ben didn't go to Ohio State. He was overlooked by them,
Miami of Ohio. Drew Brees didn't go to Texas, he
was overlooked by them. He went to Purdue Mahome. All
(08:01):
those guys from cal Shadeur Sanders has had to manufacture offense.
And that's what happens in the NFL. Even if you're
Patrick Mahomes because you make so much money, you don't
have an elite offensive left tackle, and you have to
manufacture stuff because you have to let Tyreek Hill go.
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Philadelphia is an outlier. They pay the quarterback and they're loaded.
The reality is in the NFL, if you're a top
ten quarterback, you usually go to a lousy roster or
a really bad smell in the organization, and then once
you do get paid, you're going to be limited on
actually what they can put around you. I mean, that's
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the downside to being a lottery pick. But Shador Sanders,
the most sat quarterback, the worst running game. This kid's
ready for it. It's not that his dad's deon. It's
not that he was the first NIL star or second.
It's not that he's really accurate. He's lived in the NFL.
I mean, Caleb Williams high school and college. Everything was easy.
(09:07):
He goes to Chicago. That's a real life. The coach,
the coordinators, the roster, you're o line. The media is
not in your corner. So I look at shit Ror
Sanders and I looked it up this morning and he's
seventh in Mel Kuiper's draft. That's exactly that's exactly. By
(09:28):
the way, if you look at the top seven teams
in the NFL Draft, I could argue the Jets have
the best roster. You're gonna fall a little.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
They got a number one receiver and a number one back,
and they have a left tackle from Penn State. And
they've got maybe the best corner or second best corner
in the league. And they've got a top linebacker. Now
they got a new coaching staff. But I would argue
falling in the draft of the Jets, it's a better
roster than Tennessee or the Giants, or Cleveland or the Raiders.
(09:59):
So I looked up the composite rankings of Colorado that
Shador Sanders played with. It was even with BYU SMU
and Arizona State. And there are two quarterbacks in this
draft that are ready to play Day one, cam Ward
and Shador Sanders. And the biggest reason is he's lived
a real NFL life, running for his life with no
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running game for two years and having to manufacture offense.
J Mack, you are very fired up. I would ask
you where you got your tickets. I hopefully you had
to pay for him. You didn't get freebie. So you
can relate to people. But you are going to the
game tonight and i'm'm a little jealous, but I'm gonna
sit back watch and my guess is Luca goes for
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forty four. Well, they don't have any rim protection. Dallas's
bigs are all hurt. But the other thing is, you know,
JJ Reddick and Lebron James are going to feed him
the ball for forty minutes. He is going to get
the ball, They're going to initiate offense. This is gonna
be one of those you know, you just do guys
as solid. It's almost like when Lebron would play Cleveland
(11:04):
in Miami. It's like, we're gonna make sure we get
in the ball. We're gonna make sure it's a solid Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
You think he's maybe dieting today, a little uh, intermittent fasting,
not eating a little like a little slimmer to just
shove it in the face of the math boy. It's
tough to be a Dallas Mavericks fan right now. How
about a Dallas sports fan right now? Colin Cowboys are
in turmoil.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I was in Chicago this weekend and I was talking
to a couple of Chicago sports fans they are going through.
People in Los Angeles are spoiled.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
We are.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean, I mean there has been about an eight
year run. I mean, think of our football coaches. We've
had Chip Kelly, Lincoln Riley, Jim Harbaugh, Sean McVay. Our
quarterbacks have been Caleb Williams, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff got
shipped out of town. He wasn't good enough, and Justin
Herbert not not bad. No, so it's and all of
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a sudden, Luca falls in the lap of the Lakers.
So it is Tonight's gonna be a big night, now
huge massive.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I'll go triple double for Luca, thirty two point triple double.
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Speaker 1 (12:13):
Is that you've seen everything like four times and that
you tend not to overreact to stuff, and you realize
that sports is very cyclical, and let me just give
you an advantage. Boxing used to be a much bigger deal,
but it was poorly run. UFC was brilliantly run by
Dana White and the Fertida family. UFC killed boxing, it'll
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never return. Horse racing used to be bigger, too many controversies.
Tennis just went through a twenty year run of Nadal,
Feeder and Djokovic maybe the three best players ever. Men's
tennis will never duplicate that again. That will never happen.
Sometimes great happens Tiger Woods and golf. Literally the Sopranos,
(12:57):
the NFL and Tiger Woods. The only thing that got
me to a TV on Sunday. I would race home
to see Tiger Woods. If I did stuff in the
morning on a Saturday or a Sunday. I've never done
that in my entire life. There'll be no more Tigers.
I mean, I love Dustin Johnson, Brooks, Koepka, I like
all of them. It's not Tiger Woods. He was a
meteor for ten to twelve years. It's okay. Sports are cyclical.
(13:21):
Take the NFL out. It's our English Premier League. We
watch it, it's perfect for TV and we bet it
like crazy, and many of us played it. Take the
English Premier League out. Cricket used to be much bigger
in England. It's called their national pastime. It takes four days.
(13:41):
Nobody's waiting four days for a result from a sparning event.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
It's died.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Mostly baseball up and down. Huge in the seventies, not
as big in the eighties, really quiet for twenty years.
And now they've got all the stars lined up in
the big markets and they just set ratings and they've
sped the game up. There's been a lot of time
talk about the NBA, and it should be noted before
I give you this SoundBite. They just signed an eleven year,
(14:07):
seventy six billion, billion dollar deal. There's an old saying
about the Bible, treat others as you want to be treated.
Everything else in it is just commentary, and there's a
saying in sports, just get the contract. Everything else's noise.
Adam Silver, the owners and the players. Eleven year, seventy
(14:30):
six billion. But there's a lot of critics about the NBA,
and Channing Fry, never afraid to have a strong opinion, says,
this is what's killing the league.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. That nineties basketball Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think it was.
Every great player, whether that's Aunt wemby Ron, you know, Steph,
this that this that you know, they compare them to
(15:01):
a month forty years ago. The rules weren't even the same.
Nobody celebrates these new people, So why the would anybody
want to be the face of this league. You're gonna
get on on every network for not being somebody from
forty years ago. Bron is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest
(15:23):
players ever to play. Jannis is one of the great
Jokic and you know what we do. We talk about
Michael Jordan. All this superstar era is over.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well, yes, this is true, and TV ratings are down,
but I saw this this morning that basketball this past
year had eighteen billion views across social media. Far and
away the most people are watching it. Differently, the NBA
isn't hockey. I talked about it yesterday the first time
(15:57):
in two years. You know what I'm not talking about
on today's show, Oh hockey? We talk basketball. Every show
like mine talks basketball. We played it. If we don't
like pro basketball, we used to. If we don't like
it now we still like March badness. We all shot
a ball, few of us shot a puck. The NBA
is part gossip, infighting, drama, rumors. It's like those magazines
(16:22):
at the cashier at every grocery store. The NBA is
the Kardashians plus People magazine plus US Weekly. Yes, they
need to do some tweaking. Like baseball, they're slow to it.
They need to shorten the playoff series from seven games
in our first rounder to three five make the games
(16:43):
more urgent. Eighty two games feels long. How about sixty eight?
How about fine players seven figures suspend them for two
and three week periods without pay for load management, which
is just egregiously outrageously nauseating. NFL players play hurt every
Sunday in blizzards. You have an ice cream headache and
(17:04):
you have to sit out. Give me a break. It's gross.
But the good news is the Knicks, the Celtics, and
the Lakers, the three biggest brands, are now all good
and they're all ascending. The number one player in this
next draft is Cooper Flag from Duke. By the way,
this next draft is a domestic draft. Lots of kids
(17:27):
from Duke and Carolina. So yes, I think there's too
many three point shots. I think they should cap it
at maybe fifteen or eighteen per teen then no matter
where you shoot it it's worth two points. Yes, I
think they should shorten either the season or playoffs. But
we talk basketball. They just signed an eleven year, seventy
(17:50):
six billion dollar deal. If I sell my whole house
and I get the bag on it and it goes
down when you own it, that's a U problem. I
got it. It was nice when I lived in it.
They got the bag, they got the contract. Adam Silver's happy,
the players are happy, the owners are happy. Do I
think NBC overpaid for it? I do. Do I think
(18:12):
Amazon overpaid for it? I do? But in the end,
this is a sport that we watched it in high school.
One of the best sports movies arguably is Hoosiers. We
still watch March Madness. Women's basketball has Caitlin Clark and
it's growing. The NBA is well financed, and love it
or hate it like the Kardashians, it's relevant. We talk
(18:36):
about it all the time, and yesterday it was the
first time in two years. This show and many others
talks hockey. What you want to be in sports because
everybody knows the NFL is the sun. Everything gets its
heat from the NFL, Everything rotates around it. Get the
NFL out of here and in England and the UK
(18:56):
get the English Premier League. GOA. Everything is second place.
So starting in second place. College football, I love it.
Baseball on a heater, NBA at least socially and culturally
very relevant. Yes, we talked too much about Michael Jordan,
(19:17):
but Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player probably ever. Michael
Jordan was the coolest, he was the best dressed, he
was the best looking, he was the most relentless. He
went six for six in the finals. It's okay, but
this idea that we don't talk about Steph, Yeah, we
do all the time. I've done five hundred segments on Steph. Well,
we don't reward Jokic. He should have won three straight MVPs.
(19:40):
He's just kind of a boring player. So was Kareem
in his prime. Sometimes Biggs don't want to talk. Shack's
an outlier. The league's fine ratings are down. It needs
to be tweaked. But when Michael Jordan left, the ratings
went down fifty percent, and it wasn't about politics. It
was about they missed Michael. Take the NFL out and
(20:03):
look at how cyclical sports is. Boxing's dead horse, racing's
less relevant. Radio is not the water cooler topic it
used to be. Soccer is bigger. World Cup ratings are
huge networks Netflix, Fox. Everybody's fighting to get the World Cup.
What they're not fighting for is baseball, so everything changes.
(20:24):
It's highly cyclical. The English Premier League, in the NFL,
those are different discussions and everybody's chasing those. But tennis,
men's tennis will never be as big as it was
for the last twenty years, and golf will never have
another Tiger Woods. That would scare me. The NBA ratings
(20:45):
are down on TV, most of it on cable TV.
Everything outside of talking Trump is down on cable TV,
isn't it? It'll survive.
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Speaker 1 (21:54):
So I'm watching on the video last night, I'm watching
some aibot do these amazing things and it's like ninety
percent human, and yet we still have grown men that
collect baseball cards. Boy, some of you just love romanticizing
the past, and I'm just not here for it. Nothing
wears me out like sports guy reliving the good old days. Yes,
(22:19):
you can occasionally bring up Michael Jordan and Lebron James
and that debate. But there's so much great right in
front of us. And I saw this. Five major college
football programs, USC, Texas, Florida State, Nebraska, Missouri and several
others are going to follow. They're canceling their spring game
and they should. There's no need for it. Steve Starkeshan
(22:42):
was on with Kay Adams recently and said, it's now
a pro football format.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
Over the last two years, we've played thirty games. That's
a lot for college football. The development that's needed for
these guys to get ready for the fall is a
little bit different than it used to be, and so
our approach is going to be a little bit more
NFL driven, kind of more of an Ota style early on,
and as we grow into more of the scrimmage formats
(23:07):
and the second half of spring ball that I just
don't know. Rolling the ball out, playing the game and
when we only get fifteen practices is the best for us.
I think college football is changing right now, and we
need to do a great job as coaches of adapting
to college football.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, stop complaining about the NIL, stop complaining about the
transfer portal. College football now looks a lot as it should,
like pro football general managers. Yep, everybody's hiring a general manager,
so a coach doesn't have to figure out the budget salaries,
a playoff format. Computers and sports writers aren't figuring out
(23:43):
the national championship. We're not hinging on bad bowl games
sponsored by pop tarts. The reality is you got to
beat three or four great teams down the stretch to
be a national champion. That's the way it should be. Now.
The NFL tweaks every year. College football so far behind
and outdated. It has to make some seismic moves. More
(24:05):
big games, a real playoff format, real free agency. Bill
Belichick is now in college football. Chip Kelly left college
went back to the pros. Why not, they're the same thing.
I'll just take the bigger check. There was always this
big gap between college and pro football, and my take
was always why the reason boxing died. It was potentially
(24:30):
a billion dollar business and it was poorly run. College
football's attendance and ratings were going down. That's why Fox
and ESPN and the NBC stepped in and said, let's
make it more NFL, let's have two major conferences. Let's
the PAC twelve. The games are empty. There's one or
two programs that matter. Let's move the big conferences together,
(24:53):
PAC twelve. Why don't you join the Big ten and
make one super company. And let's take Texas Oklahoma and
let's put a into the SEC. That's not to say
you can't make the playoff from the ACC or the
Big twelve of the Mountain West, but it's like grown
up sports now, free agency playoff format transfer portal. You
(25:13):
can either complain about stuff or put your arms around
it and go Okay. The world's changing, and I'm watching
AI robots last night. Some of you are collecting baseball
cards and you're forty nine years old. It's time to
stop looking in the rearview mirror. This is the future
of college football. Big games playoff at the end, sometimes
playing in bad weather, physicality rules. I love it. And
(25:36):
you know it's like I watched the Dodgers defer these
payments and people are complaining that the Dodgers are deferring
payments to show hey and Mooki Betts, Well it's legal.
That's a U problem. Grow up. I mean, I mean
analytics and sports force old farts out of work like
NBA people that don't put their arms around the three
(25:57):
point shot unless you're Greg Popovich fired. And baseball gms
that don't pay attention to analytics and now deferring payments,
you're gonna get fired. So spring football is a relic,
It doesn't Matt? What about the fans? What about him?
Ratings were up this year? What about the fans? Ninety
percent of people that love college football do not go
to the games. They watch it on television, and TV
(26:19):
was better than ever. All right, So J Mack's been
on this heater for a while and I don't agree.
But when I ran that clip and we went to
a commercial, J Mack was giddy. So he thinks Channing
Fry is basically just taking a shot at Charles Barkley
(26:40):
and shack on inside the NBA who constantly hammer the players.
And here was the bite. Is Channing Fry taking a
shot at Shaq and Charles.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. The nineties basketball Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think it was.
Every great player, whether that's Aunt Wemby, Bron, you know,
step this this that you know, they compare them to
(27:09):
a month forty years ago, the rules weren't even the same.
Nobody celebrates these new people, So why the would anybody
want to be the face of this league.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
You're gonna getn.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
On every network for not being somebody from forty ten
years ago. Bron is one of the greatest players ever
to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Jannie is one of the great Jokic
and you know what we do, we talk about Michael Jordan.
All this superstar era is over.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, so let me start with this. We don't celebrate
Lebron James. We haven't celebrated celebrated Steph Curry and Kevin Durant.
Of course we've celebrated him, but the bigger picture with Barkley.
So I've always felt this NFL media is top. NFL
media criticizes rookies, they criticize coaches, they criticize players. It's
(28:05):
very similar to the way the media in the UK
treats the English Premier League.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
It's vicious, and.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Our football media is grown ups and they're tough and
they hammer everybody. Our basketball media, college and pro is
very soft and overwhelmingly tries to curry favor with the Stars.
Barkley is the only Barkley and Shack and that show
are the only show that holds players and load management
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accountable by and large the NBA media, because everybody's trying
to curry favor with you know, Rich Paul, and he's very, very,
very talented, and they're trying to curry favor with the
stars and the top agents, very little critical media. I've
stopped bringing on certain NBA reporters who are good people,
but it's all fluff. Everybody's great. Well, let's address load
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management like Baseball's got this problem too, where too many
of the reporters are romanticizing baseball. Tom Verducci, who I
think is brilliant, Verducci was the first guy to say
they're steroids all over the sport. Verducci was also the
first guy to say the game's too slow, too many
pitchers three and a half hours. It takes sometimes a
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strong opinion from a very notable person to push back
on a sport. And I think Barkley and Shack are
the guys that are like, why aren't you playing? Why
are you rest? I want a show that is hard
and has teeth and bite into the players. We can't.
They're not PR firms. My job is going to be
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a PR guy. Barkley's the opposite of that. Now, is
Barkley too critical? Certainly can argue that. But if you
take that show out ESPN mostly fluff, mostly pro player
pro NBA, everything's great and it's not. I'm not saying
everybody on ESPN is, but the broadcast sometimes feel like
it's owned by it's owned by the team. It's like, guys,
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it's okay to criticize players. I think Barkley and Shack provide.
They're the outlier. They're the dogs on TV that criticize players. Now,
J Mack, you think the opposite, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Come on, the reason these guys want to sit out
is so they're rested for the playoffs. Why because you
got these guys on TV every night there's NBA games. Well,
he doesn't have the rings, he doesn't have a championship,
he's this, he's that. Well, why would I want to
play in January and February when all that matters is
the playoffs and if I can win a championship. These
guys have bashed Curry and Clay, the Splash brothers. They
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blash Kevin Durant, like he's like a bum. I mean,
they're like not counting Kevin Durant's championships in Golden State. Well,
he doesn't really have a title.
Speaker 11 (30:44):
He joined the war Like, that's the crap.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well, that's a little over the top.
Speaker 11 (30:47):
That's the nonsense they say. I've tuned them out. Obviously
they're entertaining and fun.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
But you've heard the phrase young snakes have the most venom, right,
You've heard that. Okay, there's so many good young players
in the league right now that have a comp us
more than Michael Jordan did in his first five years.
Speaker 11 (31:03):
And we don't give these guys any props. We're like, oh,
y got Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Come on, But isn't that what pr firms do. Isn't
that what.
Speaker 11 (31:09):
Team's asking for fluff?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
I'm just not asking to rip guys every night for
what they haven't accomplished when they're.
Speaker 11 (31:15):
Like twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Luca, by the way, Luca first five years in his
way has done more than any other player.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Lamar Jackson's won seventy seven percent of his games. I
have to literally defend him weekly. He gets eaten alive
by everyone in January.
Speaker 11 (31:29):
You got to defend him because he always shows up
and kind of poop.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
What's my point is I defend Lamar. I feel like
I'm in a small group of defenders because he wins
seventy six percent of his games. But there's no national
concern that we're too hard on Lamar Jackson. It's football.
Deal with it. You're gonna get criticized if you're a quarterback.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
Well, wait a minute, he's awesome in the regular season.
We've been We said that in audio. What happens in January?
Tell me where the results?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Where are the results from an Edwards?
Speaker 6 (31:58):
He's like twenty four years old, full time MVVY.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Has been ripped day one and now well he.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
Wins the m vv every year. We expect the best
player to win championship.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, an ant is one of the best players in
the league and is certainly in the MVB consideration, and
we're worried that he's getting too much criticism.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
I would agree that's a great question for Chris Finch.
Is Anthony Edwards getting too much criticism?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
We crush quarterbacks, it's part of the game. We crush politicians,
it's part of the game. Why can't NBA stars be crushed?
Speaker 6 (32:31):
I think they are getting crushed by one show, unfair
one Show.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
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Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, sometimes you get lucky. It is the greatest road
win in the history of regular season NBA last night
Chris Finch and the t Wolves. Uh, first time ever
a team is trailed by over twenty entering the fourth
and won. And you scored forty one points in the
fourth against the number one rated defense. So I want
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when you go into the fourth quarter, you you were
Belichick meets Andy Reid meets Red Arback. What did you
tell What do you tell a team you're getting housed
against an excellent team? What did you tell your team?
Speaker 12 (33:20):
Well, I mean, first of all, I think you just
you have to have that competitiveness in you, you know,
and we have a lot of competitors, and our team's fighting,
and we've had a couple comebacks like that, not quite
as big.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
But you've been a lot of close games.
Speaker 12 (33:33):
Yeah, we've been in a lot of clutch games. But
it was really the young guys. So the rookies who
brought us back into that game, and sometimes you just
need that young energy. So the third time we played
Oklahoma City in four games, we played them the night
before and so just they brought the juice and made
a couple of plays and full disclosure calling I at
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about ten minutes on the clock, we were down nineteen.
I was almost going to pull the two remaining starters,
and then I thought, let me just see what happens
here for the next minute or so, and then I
think we got an a one and kind of cut
it to sixteen, and then you think, well, maybe we'll
see you know, and.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Then just kind of snowball from there.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
By the way, Oklahoma City, Now, let's play the clip. Chris,
despite winning, a little fired up after he maybe a
little lighter in the wall in a couple of days.
Here's Chris after the win last night.
Speaker 12 (34:26):
It's so frustrating to play this team because they foul
a ton, you know, they really do.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
They foul.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
They fell all the time, and then you know, you
can't really touch Shay and it's a it's a very
frustrating thing, and it takes a lot of mental toughness
to try to play through it, and you know, we
just eventually were able to get downhill and force, you know,
force the issue ourselves and we're rewarded for it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So J Mack has been on this all season. He
has been on this all seat. I defend SGA, I
defend Carl Malone, I defend James Harden. I don't think
you get that whistle in the playoffs, and I think
that's problematic. Carl Malone didn't, Harden didn't, SJ won't. But
there are players that do create contact. Luca, by the way,
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it's phenomenal at it. But you obviously feel strongly about this.
Were you sending a message? What was that for?
Speaker 12 (35:22):
I mean, first of all, I would thanks for bringing
to attention. But more to the point, it's like they're
very physical defense, which is I mean, they've done.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
A great job building their defense there. They swarm you.
Speaker 12 (35:36):
And there's an adage when you're playing defense, like, hey,
if we're physical and we're fouling all over the place,
they're not going to be able to call them all.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
That's Jerry Sloan with a jazz. Jerry Sloane would just
be so physical they can't blow the whistle.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
All night, and and and all credit to the league.
Speaker 12 (35:51):
You know, about a year ago they decided that they
were going to allow more physicality into the game. We
love it too, and we're a defensive team and we
benefit from that. But then, and when you have a
player on the other end, Shay, who's so crafty and
so hard to guard, and he's able to slow the
game down in a way where everything's focused on him,
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so all the all the contact is kind of accentuated.
I it's it's it is a very tough mental you know,
trap that you have to fight through with your players
because you want to be able to match physicality when
the game is physical, and you can't do it around
a player like Shaye because he's so crafty.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, there are certain players. Jokich is one, Sga is one,
and Luke is one. It doesn't matter what the pace
of the game is. Yes, they played at their pace.
Speaker 12 (36:38):
Yeah, I mean the guy's selling popcorn is selling popcorn
at their pace.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
And okay, so Ant's an interesting player. What is so aunt?
I was surprised today. I know he was like top ten.
He leads the NBA in three point shots made what
and I've complained about this. I want ant being dynamic.
I also understand like Wemb's shooting to me too many threes,
But I understand the game and the analytics as a coach.
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What is the dividing line, the line in the sand
on Okay, I want you to shoot threes, but you
can beat guys off the dribble and beat dynamic. Do
you fight with that?
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Well?
Speaker 12 (37:15):
I think I asked this question a lot, like what's
the number of threes you like ideally like Anthony to shoot.
I don't really have a number. I just want good ones,
and he's done it. I think largely the ones he's
taken this year are good. He came into the season
trying to up his volume because, as crazy as it
may sound, I think for the first time he gained
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full confidence in his shot. He's always been able to
make it. We've always been preaching, hey, this is something
you really do. You need to trust it more. And
I think he started the season on such a hot
streak that he kind of relied on it, maybe a
little too much. And then since Christmas time he's really
gone back to attacking more. I love his shot balance
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right now, he's attacking more, his free throws are up
as a result. But yet he's still shooting good shots
and making him out a high clip. So I think he's,
you know, kind of mastered it. Right now, we've seen
a few more of the Anthony dunks and spectacular plays
going to the rim in the last month and a half.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
You didn't want to necessarily move off Cat. But it's
the CBA, it's the reality. So you bring in Julius
Randall a little ball centric for me, but he's a
bit more of an initiator that can get ant good looks.
Karl Anthony Towns isn't. So it works out. But the
new CBA. I mean, here's my theory on the Luca trade,
and you tell me if I'm wrong. My theory is
it was. It was different when you pay a guy
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thirty five million, So a billionaire goes there's a lot
of money. But you know, quarterbacks of the NFL are
making sixty If I got to pay a guy seventy
five million, now, it's like that's more than Patrick Mahomes.
That's that's double Josh Allen, that's double what Lebron made
in his prime. I'm gonna consider everything condition thing's bad,
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bad defensive player so I didn't buy it was just
Nico the GM. My take is this new CBA, the
Stars won, but I think billionaire owners now are like, wait, wait, wait, wait,
seventy five billion is a number that is so punitive
if the players hurt or isn't in condition. So my
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take is the players think they won the Stars, but
I think billionaires look at that number and think that
is double aeron judge and they played twice our games
and that went into the Luca trade.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, I would agree. I would agree with that.
Speaker 12 (39:42):
I think now in the new CBA landscape, you really
have to decide, like you know obviously who you're gonna
marry going forward. There's amazing talent. Luca is an amazing talent,
take and that's their decision.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
I'm not going to comment too much on that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
He've been hurt a lot.
Speaker 12 (39:56):
Yeah, but I also think when you when you get
to this point with the with these salaries, it really
limits your ability to continue to construct teams around that
star without it being further punitive with the double apron
and now just being able to escape those areas of
the CBA to kind of readjust which is what we
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had to do so we could continue to build around.
Speaker 13 (40:20):
And had to move Carlin towns and so it's it's
like the tax code right now, I mean trying to
figure out the tax code.
Speaker 12 (40:32):
Mean, it's so complicated and a lot of these teams
are now having to kind of pivot quickly to set
themselves up for four and five years down the road,
which is, you know, an interesting place to be when
you're roster building.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I want to throw this at you that when before
I kept saying about a month ago, just get Jimmy
Butler with staff. I don't care what analytics say. He
has the emotional intelligence. He'll work with Draymond and staff.
And Kurr is that if you're a little score earlier young,
it won't work there, and that he's intense, but it'll work,
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and it has worked. So I want you to talk
about this. Julius Randall, by the way, has worked better
than I thought. With Aunt, I didn't think it would work.
I thought he was too ball centric and I think
Ant needs the ball. But it has worked. So I
want you to talk about the Warriors and Jimmy Butler.
Butler has a reputation that he's tough. Everywhere he goes,
he wins what is it about him? Did you think
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the Warriors did you think it would work as well
as it did?
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Yeah, I thought it would work. I did.
Speaker 12 (41:33):
I think you know, Jimmy high basketball like you. He
fits their basketball culture. He doesn't need the ball, and
when he has the ball, he's looking to make his teammates.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Very intentional.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, he's very intentional.
Speaker 12 (41:45):
He can get to the line, which is something that
they struggled with, which helps you control games. And you know,
he's a perfect partner alongside Draymond because of the defensive flexibility,
the toughness, the rebounding, and he immediately understand as we've seen,
you know, how Steph plays and how to make you know,
how to kind of jive with that with the playmaking.
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You know, he's just waiting to find Stephi's a lot
like Draymond in that way. But then when needed, he
can step up and make a shot. And the admirable thing,
not only does he win everywhere, his numbers go up
in the playoffs, which you don't often.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Yeah, so you know, we're done with him for the
season for that.
Speaker 12 (42:26):
I'm glad hopefully we can keep him behind us in
this race coming down the stretch.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
But they are going to be a problem.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So and I like to ask you these mask macro
league questions and I'll get back to Ann Edwards at
the end. But I thought JJ Reddick had a moment
this week and he said the quiet part out loud,
which is, we're going to run the offense through Luca.
I think Lebron wanted to run the offense through a
d but he doesn't. He's not a playmaker. I thought
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when Lebron was in his prime, even Kyrie had to
be off ball. Lebron was just the best player I've
ever seen. D Wade relinquished it very quickly four practices in.
You run the office. But I do think JJ touched
on something that people haven't said out loud, which is, no,
it's will save you for your spurts from somebody who
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knows the game on such a micro level. Lebron's always
been a fascinating player because you'd love for him to
play off ball, but he's so damn good at beating
people to the basket. How do you think Luca Lebron
will look going forward? Ideally, because sometimes your greatest gift
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is a burden, and I think Lebron sometimes he is
the ecosystem. It just has to run through him. But
when JJ said that, I was like, man, he said,
the quiet part out loud? Do you think it's problematic?
How do you think it'll look.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
I think sometimes when you're a coach, you have to
say the quiet part out loud so there's clarity in
your team, you know.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
And it's not always comfortable.
Speaker 12 (43:56):
You know. Luca's grown up playing with the ball in
his hands his entire life, just as Lebron has, you know.
And the key will be how they divide those minutes,
and they'll stagger them just enough so they all get
their own usage. And I think we've seen early on
when Luca tries to overly defer. You know, that's when
he was it's not his game and he was turning
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it over and he was a little bit uncomfortable. And
I think that all comes from a good place. They're
trying to accommodate each other right now. I think they'll
all get to a point where they'll say, you know,
I got to be me. But I do believe that
because they're both so such exceptional passers and they're wired
to make the right play almost all the time.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
That's why I love it.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
And and really admire about Lebron is that he's he
makes the right play if it's if it's a cut,
if it's a path, you know, if it's a drive
or a run in transition, he's going to do it.
And Luca's learned that too. You know, when he gets doubled,
he makes the right play all the time. He doesn't
force it anymore. And I think that kind of mentality
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gives them the best chants to be really successful with
each other.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I think the NBA has always been a player's league
since Spencer Haywood, right, like, you can go back to
where the players had a real say. I have no
problem with it, and I like Adam Silver. I think
he's very bright. He didn't want any more work stoppages.
I think the money train is flying. But I do
think sometimes he's a bit of a permissive parent. David
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Stern was a barker. He would not allowed load management.
This thing's gotten out of hand, in my opinion. The
players now make so much money that they have so
much control. And again I'm not bothered by it. That's
who we go to watch. But I think the All
Star Game is a prime example. Stars don't want to
play it. There's nothing you can do. You have aunt
and is the most dynamic player in the league. Are
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there eggshells you have to walk on with a superstar player?
They're not firing him if you go on a four
game winning streak. Is it tough for you, Chris, knowing
that you have one of the four seminal players in
this league that people buy it take it to watch.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
Well, I mean, it's it's the reality of our league.
You know.
Speaker 12 (46:04):
Coaching is the ultimate middle management position in our league.
So you have to have a relationship with these guys.
You have to understand. Unfortunately, for Anthony, he's wired in
the right way. He's highly coachable, he cares, he competes,
he's about the right things. And you know, we all
know that it's a players league and that's what's the
beauty of it. And of course these guys are amazing
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and people should come to watch them play all the time.
You know, I do feel that, you know, with the
All Star Game, it's kind of gotten to a point where.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Everybody's scratching their head. They don't know how to make
it better.
Speaker 12 (46:39):
For me, I would just lean into the fact that
it's an incredible fan Fest weekend.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
I mean there's a lot, there's a lot at stake.
Speaker 12 (46:46):
I do think if you han't been the coach last year,
the players did show up with the mindset or some
of them or showed up with the mindset to want
to compete. But if you have half the players who
don't want to compete in half that, do you know,
you don't have a chance to have a competitive game.
So I do think like they have to rethink that
maybe they just like kind of go away from the
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game even and just have more events with more player
interactivity with the fans, which is really what people want.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, you know, I think the NBA, I said this earlier,
outside of the NFL, which is the English Premier League
of the UK, is that everything's cyclical. I mean, boxing
was huge, it's over. Tennis just had three extraordinary players,
all in their prime, playing at the same time for
fifteen years. We'll never see that again. I mean that
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you have to go back to like Connors and McEnroe
and Borg. Yeah, and do you worry? Do you worry?
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Though?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
The league is getting international to a point where I
guess I'll ask this, the league doesn't have a face
of the league does it need one? Do you believe
that would fix Like Caitlin Clark, literally one player from
Iowa fixed a lot of the w NBA problems. I
always say this in politics. The Democrats were lost, Obama
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showed up suddenly, the Conservatives were lost. Trump shows up
now Democrats are the bottom line. Sometimes a singular personality
changes the direction of a political party of a league.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
You know, pre.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Pre Magic and Bird, NBA was kind of a mess,
like they had a drug problem. If I said to you,
let's solve this ratings problem, Chris Finch, what do you
think it is?
Speaker 12 (48:34):
Yeah, I don't think it's a face of the league problem, Colin.
I think there's a lot of good stars. I mean
there may you know, there may not be a supernova
out there right now just to drag the league along.
I do think that the game is in a great
place in terms of its competitiveness.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Games like last night are like.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Game seven of the Western com I mean, you guys
were it was incredibly intense.
Speaker 12 (48:57):
And there's so there's you're never out of a game
that I mean, these games are wild. The variants in
the league with the three point shooting in the pace
and just kind of never out of the league right now.
That one thing I've said about the All Star Game
is like, we see such great spectacular plays from these
guys going against each other every single night that you
don't need to see it in an All Star game.
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You know, we see such amazing plays and on a
nightly basis. I do think there can be some thought
into the schedule. I'm an advocate for less games. You know,
obviously people are going to have to give up money
to make that work, and for the betterment of the game,
I think it's worth considering. You know, I might not
have a job when I walk off this set, but
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I think that that's a way to kind of increase
the not just maybe the participation of the league's best
players on a nightly basis, but also to kind of
draw focus to maybe three games a week as a
nice rhythm, and we can look back and say, hey,
what happened in the NBA this week, because everybody's kind
of played a bit of a balanced schedule. And I
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think that way we could, you know, we can highlight
some of the great plays. Sometimes when there's so many games,
we can't watch them all, We can't see it all,
and it becomes you know, a little bit of white noise,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
So if I instead of asking you who's the best
team in the league you've played, if I ask you, Chris,
who would you not either conference? Who would you not
want to play in a series?
Speaker 12 (50:28):
Well, I mean Cleveland kicked our tail twice. I mean
I think they're I think their efficiency's insane. Yeah, and
they are complete. You know, there's a lot of good
teams in the league right The West is just loaded
top to bottom, but teams that have been super impressed
with Whenever.
Speaker 7 (50:43):
Nineties basketball Michael Jordan and Kobe was not as clean
as y'all think it was. Every great player, whether that's
in wemby Ron, you know, step this, that this that,
you know, they compare them to a month forty years ago.
The rules weren't even the same. Nobody celebrates these new people.
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So why the would anybody want to be the face
of this league. You're gonna get done on every network
for not being somebody from forty years ago. Bron is
one of the greatest players ever to play. Stephen Curry
is one of the greatest players ever to play. Jannis
is one of the great Jokic and you know what
we do. We talk about Michael Jordan. All this superstar
(51:29):
era is over.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Okay, clear shot. It appears to me at Barkley inside
the league. Does Barkley bother the players?
Speaker 5 (51:39):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
No.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
I think.
Speaker 12 (51:41):
I mean, I would say most people thoroughly enjoy that
show for what it is. It's part of the fabric
of the NBA. It's it's it's irreverent, it's entertaining.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
I think it's a comedy shit.
Speaker 12 (51:53):
Yeah, I mean I should they should have a disclaimer
for entertainment purposes only. So, but I mean it's you know,
it's it's part of our league. I mean, it's it's
baked into our league and we love that. But it's
I don't think it's bothered. There are some things here
and there. I think it's gotten a little personal. It's
had a little spice, you know. I know in the
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playoffs last year when they had Draymon on and he
was going at rude.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I thought Draymond was a little over the top.
Speaker 12 (52:18):
Yeah, but you know, it added some spice and it
was fine. It all went away quickly. But no one's
overly bothered by.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
It, Okay.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
J Maak thinks it's the it's the fall of the
Roman Empire. Here, he just drives him crazy. I do
think at some point that's a great line. I consider
it almost is Ernie is the ring master. It's got
almost a pro wrestling feel too. They make you sexual jokes.
It's like there are certain shows that break all the rules.
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That's the show on TV that breaks all the rules.
I mean they swear, it's it's innuendos about relationships. They're
calling certain women in certain cities overweight. I'm like, this
is totally inappropriate it and it kind of works. So
and then, and to your point, everybody.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Kind of gets its. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
You got it, didn't you? You got a technical like three
weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I did.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
And you're not a real You don't bark a lot.
Speaker 5 (53:11):
I bark a lot. Yeah, I just tried to.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Did you drop a was it a word?
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah? Boo? Yeah, you called it?
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Okay, I'm the referee, dude, What did you say?
Speaker 5 (53:24):
I said, you're a boso.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
That's kind of what you would say. And he just
teed you up for that.
Speaker 5 (53:32):
I think it was I had been complaining for a lot.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Oh, you'd been complaining for a while. Yeah yeah, did
you drop a word before?
Speaker 5 (53:39):
You might have? Definitely after.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Great, see you.
Speaker 5 (53:45):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Thanks Chris Finch off the craziest win NBA history last night,
come back on the road and beat Okay.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
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