Best of The Herd

Colin states the NBA has only had three faces of the league: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, and LeBron James. Matt Stafford's reps are talking with multiple teams. The Mavericks weren't ready for the divorce with Luka. NFL Report cards show a telling tale of each franchise. Plus, Brock Purdy isn't a great quarterback but is a great story. 

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go loaded, ready to roll live in Los Angeles,
Hits the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be watching or listening, Thanks for making us part of
your day. Jmak, I've got an interesting lead today. There
are things that I talked about this all week long

(00:48):
outside of the NFL, All Sports or seconds and that
you know, the Dodgers get show Heyo Ton and it
literally helped the entire league revenue sharing. Fox ratings were
up Showy Tawy just driving up I five Angels to
Dodgers help the league. NFL doesn't matter who ends up.
But there's been a lot of talk about the NBA
and they need a face of the league. And I'm

(01:10):
gonna tell you something right now. The only thing more
overrated than face of the league is people that buy
gigantic houses and they spend their next seven years yelling
at their kids upstairs in the twenty seven thousand square
foot house. Whenever I see these rich people buy these
huge houses, I'm like, you can't possibly have kids, you

(01:31):
screaming constantly to find them. Smaller the house, the more
the love in the house. You're around each other, right,
And I've always had this feeling about face of the league.
The NBA's had three all time. No, no, you think
they've had eight ten. Wilt wasn't the face of the league.
He was flaky and weird. Kareem was the best player

(01:53):
for over a decade. Stoic. I mean, you watch the
HBO series on Kareem that was very accurate. He was
difficult to get along with, and Magic Johnson gets along
with everybody the league has had. There's a story this morning.
Jason Tatum gets glossed over or ignored when observers consider
face of the league. Hell, he wasn't face of the

(02:15):
Celtics in the finals. Jalen Brown was Marcus Smart two
years earlier was taking the ball from him. There's something
about movie stars. Tom Cruise is a movie star John
Malkovic is a great actor. Denzel Washington, that's a movie star.

(02:35):
Jeremy Irons, you could argue maybe a better actor. Some
would say maybe not, but there's a cool and a charisma.
Tatum's excellent. He's not in the same zip code as
cool Zion had a chance to be face of the league,
but he ate himself out of playing time. John Morant
maybe had a chance. He wasn't mature enough. There's been

(02:58):
three faces of the league. And I've been watching this
league since I was on a bunk bed in nineteen
seventy two watching Wilton the Lakers, Old Wilt with a
head band, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich. Yes, yes, that's why
I got this gray hair. I've watched a lot of
NBA in the seventies. The rest of you collected baseball cards.
I collected NBA cards. Three faces of the league, Magic, Michael,

(03:20):
and Lebron and that is it. Well, what about Kobe Bryant.
He wasn't as popular as Shaq. People worship Kobe's talent,
people liked Shaq. What about Steph Curry? He's close, but
you can have one face of the league. And in
his prime, Lebron was in his prime, and Steph's never

(03:43):
really sold shoes. And by the way, you generally have
to be the best player on your own team. For
several years with KD, he wasn't. And I'm a huge
Steph fan. So there's a couple of factors that are
really important. First of all, and this is why Steph
is close. You have to have an other worldly talent.
We've never seen anything like Magic Johnson, the smile, the passes.
He was a six to nine point guard. Against the

(04:05):
Sixers in the finals, he played center and scored forty
two points. Michael Jordan greatest player ever. I mean, nobody
played like Michael. You never seen anything like Michael. And
Lebron James again walked into the league. The first night
of the NBA out of high school. He scored twenty points.
He was scoring forty later that year. So you have

(04:26):
to have other worldly talent. You also have to want it. Michael,
Magic and Lebron are outstanding business guys. They read the
business page before they read the sports page. And number three,
it really helps if we're introduced to you early. We're
watching Michael Jordan as a freshman at North Carolina. Who

(04:49):
is this kid We're watching Magic Johnson, winn A Natty
over Larry Bird National Championship, jud Heathcote, the Spartans, who's
this kid? All all the crazy pass and Lebron James
in high school, the chosen one. This is where this
is where like Tim Duncan was good enough but boring,

(05:09):
Kareem was great enough, but stoic Kobe, little moody, little
difficult Shack was more liked. But it really helps if
we're introduced to you early. And that's where it hurts
the international guys, none of it. I mean, I'm not
sitting watching the Lithuanian basketball on YouTube. Maybe you are,
most people are not. And that's why Zion had a chance.

(05:29):
His YouTube stuff blew up in his crazy dunks and
then he goes to Duke and then there's the shoe
deal where it explodes and it's Nike and you're like, okay,
here it goes. And he got a taste of that
Jumble eye and that New Orleans food which I had
for a week, and you know, he went a little sideways,
a lot of sideways. So international guys sort of get

(05:50):
dropped onto bad teams and then you look up three
years later, with Jannis and go whoo, that guy's amazing.
We like the journey in America. We love the journey.
We want to be introduced to you the movie Air
with Michael Jordan. We want to see a struggle. I
mean Magic Johnson, the personal stuff HIV. We've seen Magic's journey.

(06:11):
We love Magic. If you're at a Laker game, and
this is the craziest thing, Magic's everywhere in Los Angeles.
If you're at a Laker game and Magic Johnson walks
into the arena, I am not joking, the crowd stands.
It's insane. It's like he's all over town. You see
see him driving around town. Kareem walks into the arena

(06:32):
arguably a greater player. Nobody gets up. He's an intellect.
He's fascinating. I have tons of respect for him. He
was the best player when I was a kid. Better
than Wilt for sure, greater offensive player than Russell, who
I didn't see play live. But there is a charisma
and a star power Jalen Brown, isn't it. Nobody's overlooking

(06:53):
Jalen Brown. The only guy that's got an argument to me,
a real argument, is Steph Curry. But there's one face
of the league. And in his prime, Lebron was in
his prime, and so and I don't think. I don't
think sports need to have a face of the league.
I mean, oh, Tawny is the face of baseball with
Aaron Judge. Both appear to be great guys. One in

(07:15):
New York, one in LA. Do you have to have one?
I mean to me, in baseball, it's more about what
teams are winning. If the Yankees are winning, if the
Dodgers are winning, Atlanta Cubs viable, maybe the Mets baseball's fine.
Philly's help as well, and that's why they're good. But
this talk about face of the league, there's been three

(07:36):
in my lifetime. It's not just about productivity. Or Jeremy
Irons would be the face of Hollywood. Denzel's been that,
Tom Hanks has been that, Tom Cruise has been that.
There's there's a there's a there's a formula for all
this stuff. And that's why it's so damn hard. Some
of the guys don't want it. I'm not sure Wemby
wants it. I think Aunt, by the way, if Aunt

(07:58):
played in Los Angeles, I think you'd have a shot.
If Wemby was in New York International. Maybe a shot,
but there's a lot of components to this stuff. And
I don't think Jason Tatum and this is not disrespectful
to his game. But when I watched the finals, I
mean they ship Marcus Smart out of town a defensive guard,
because he was taking the ball out of Jason Tatum's hands.

(08:21):
Nobody took it out of Lebron's hands, including Kyrie Irving
and d Wade. Nobody took the ball out of Michael's hands,
and Kareem, you run the show. There is an alpha,
there is a formula. Jason Tatum's a great player, but
he's closer to Duncan in personality than Magic. Just think
about this. Close your eyes unless you're driving and listening

(08:43):
on radio. Let's close our eyes, close our eyes. Think
about Magic Johnson. You can see the smile. Think about Michael.
You can see that cocky grin. Think about Lebron. You
can see the imagery, pregame chock. You can close your

(09:03):
eyes and there's images with stars. Close your eyes now
and do it with Tatum. I don't see anything. Twenty
six a night, I don't see anything. Close your eyes
and do it with Duncan. You see a rebound. I'm
not being harsh here. I can close my eyes and

(09:25):
I see Magic Johnson's smile and laugh. I see Michael
Jordan in the documentary. He see his intensity, his brooding intensity,
but his likability. Lebron James say.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
What you want.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I close my eyes. I can see his game, running
down the floor blocking things. There's a formula to this stuff.
I don't think the NBA needs it. But we've had
three all time. That's it. Okay, I got one other
thing I want to touch up, and I may have
been rambling there, but you know I feel strongly about that.
So I've said this before. Divorced. When you get a divorce,

(10:02):
you got to be a grown up. Okay, guys, if
you're going to get a divorce, you have to realize
she may date somebody that's better looking than you and
much more successful than you. Are you comfortable with that?
Grass is always greener? Are you comfortable with that? So

(10:23):
when the Dallas Mavericks made that trade, what we're finding
out they're now bad mouthing. The X stories are now
leaking on Luca. Here's one of the stories that is
leaking on Luca. Athletic had a story. According to Sam Ammick,
the people who witnessed Luca's last days in Dallas called

(10:46):
him lazy. They talk about the weight issues, They mentioned
the social habits the Athletic has reported on such a
taste for beer and hookah the only thing they smoking
in the NBA. I'm just saying, and if you've been
to New York, go to a hookah bar. It's a

(11:06):
good time, folks. Michael Jordan's smoked cigars, drank wine, played
thirty six holes on days of playoff games. He's the
goat shack, came into the season out of shape. I mean,
right now, pot is wine in the NBA. It's fine.

(11:28):
The bottom line is they weren't ready for this divorce.
They thought this divorce was all about Anthony Davis and
getting the lazy guy out. They had no idea how
much it would tick off Dallas fans, and now they're reeling.
I saw a story this morning, and by the way,
all those bad work habits got Luca five time first

(11:52):
team All Pro. Okay, I didn't hurt him that much.
Didn't hurt Michael that much. He was playing late night game,
smoking his seventeenth cigar in four hours. Leaking stuff makes
them look bad. The Mavericks ticket prices have fallen forty percent,
and you know what, Luca is now dating somebody that's

(12:17):
more successful, got a lot of trophies, Crypto Arena, bigger brand,
and they didn't think about it. They just didn't think
about that. This was all about getting him out. They
had no idea how big the Lakers brand is. They
had no idea that it would create this incredible lebron

(12:40):
James joy and energy, and they're not here for it.
So they're just leaking stuff to make him look bad.
First of all, none of this stuff is a surprise.
There's a piece of video years ago Luca after winning
or getting to a championship level, somebody takes a beer
out of his hand. The other thing is kids drink
earlier in Europe. Kids are drinking wine with their parents

(13:00):
when they're fifteen years old. In Europe. Go there, more
people smoke. It's just a different lifestyle. It's a very
relaxed lifestyle. Long lunches, a lot of SIGs, a lot
of wine for kids, little chill afternoon siestas. So this
is a team that thought they were ready for the
divorce and Luke upgraded. And by the way, in the

(13:26):
same conference, just move down the street, drives by the
house all the time, and you don't like what it
feels like. All right, A lot of stuff today. J
Mack got some NFL combine stuff. Do you see the
report cards out? Some of the stuff's actually funny. Do
you see the Bengals got an F on food? How

(13:49):
do you get an F on food? They don't give
their guys three meals a day. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
I mean some of the stuff out there is back.
By the way, you mentioned a hookah lounge earlier, met
my wife at.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
A hookah lounge in New York City.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Now it's starts at ao as a hookah lounge and
then late night it gets into like a viby lounge
type spot where yeah, they moved.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
The hookahs to the side. But hookah lounges are great.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Have you done that? I've done that. I took and
to a hookah lounge in New York and we had
we did a lot of hookah and Luca. Whoka is
it a verb? Is it that we just had a
very good time?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Who could?

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah? I still can't get into that text or it's
just text there is nothing beyond text. Is that plural?
I don't know. But you go to a hookah bar
and I just laugh at this because it's like we've
all understood. In the NBA, KD talks about this, it's
it's pot is wine. Nobody cares. No. The bottom line
is do you have game or do you not have game?

(14:40):
By the way, again, this would be a bigger deal.
That's why Luca is not gonna be the face of
the league. Like Michael Jordan wouldn't even talk about politics.
Lucas unbelievably productive, but he wants his beer, he wants
his hookah. He's not gonna be in great shape. I've
always said he's closer to Carmelo than he is to
Michael Jordan. And by the way, Carmelo is a Hall
of Famer. But there's certain guys that just aren't gonna
be the face of the leak and they don't they

(15:00):
don't want to be the face of the league. Yokich,
the minute he won a title, they asked him about
the parade, and he was like, I gotta go to
a parade. I just want to go home and play
with my horses. Like some guys don't want to be
faces of the League. I do have to ask.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
I got a text during your rant about Face of
the League. You had Magic, but no Larry.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Bird don't know? Okay, great example. No should they believe
together as a pass field?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
No?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Ok so because Larry Bird Grumpy had no interest in it,
didn't have the look or the charisma. Larry Bird is
much more. John Malkovic absolutely respected by everybody in Hollywood,
almost worship John Malcovic walks into a room of actors.
Everybody's like, there's the best actor. Denzel walks in and
everybody goes, damn, that's a movie star. I told you

(15:44):
the other day there's one person in Hollywood, maybe Denzel too,
but the one person, Holly, What if they walked into
this room, I would be nervous. It's not Jeremy Irons,
It's Tom Cruise. And so Larry Bird was this French lick.
Grumpy didn't. I mean really, I mean, go look at
the movies done about like Magic and Burt. He was grumpy,

(16:05):
he hated the media. Magic is in Beverly Hills with
Jerry Buss and the convertible sports car having the time
of his life. And Magic, I mean the name Magic,
so Larry like Terry was very French Lake Indiana, and
I love Larry, But I mean, ask yourself. I've said
this before. Los Angeles is a global city. Boston's and

(16:30):
domestic city. Boston is uh, it's you know, the town departed,
like every third guy's a mobster. Like I mean, everybody
I know, everybody I know from Boston has a chip
on their shoulder. It's sort of insular. It's incredibly insular.
It's one of the only cities in the country that
does not watch any sports outside of their market. They

(16:51):
did test when I used to work at the other place,
I saw a test on this. Boston watches Boston Sports. Now.
New York will watch the Rose bul New York the
World Series. If they're not in it, they'll walk. I mean,
New York is a they'll watch anything, La will watch stuff, Seattle, Denver,
Boston watches Boston. Boston people vacation in Massachusetts, they go

(17:12):
to the Cape. New Yorkers go down to Florida. New
Yorkers will go west. New Yorkers will go to Europe.
Boston guy goes to the Cape. That's a taker there.
You just came up with that on the fly.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
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All right, you're now entering the no bull Zone, brought
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bull so NFL combines going on. It's actually known as
a week when a lot of executives go and deals
get made. And you know, it's not just guys in
shorts running forties and cone drills. It's a lot of
executives go there late nights, cocktails cigars and figure out deals.

(18:14):
So I saw a story this morning the Giants met
with Matthew Stafford's agent in Indianapolis. So there's two scenarios
where I will defend Matt Stafford if he stays with
the Rams. Obviously, great coach, great org, very good roster,
franchise momentum, mcveigh's had one losing season. They were driving
to beat the Eagles in a snowstorm. If he stays

(18:35):
and takes a little less and I'm not going to
get into players' money too much, but I would defend him.
I would also defend him on going to the Raiders
because I think Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly are a really,
really good combination as a staff. They don't have any momentum,
but there's no state tax. They've got a good left tackle. Actually,
I like some of their young offensive linemen at center

(18:55):
and right tackle. They got Max Crosby, and they have
a weapon in Brock Bowers. You cannot cover. You can literally,
he is the greatest tight end prospect now in the league.
Last year as a rookie, they were bad at quarterback
and you still can't cover it. So and they're going
to go in the draft, and it's a great running
back draft, and the Raiders need a running back. So
what they need the draft is going to provide. I

(19:16):
would excuse you, listen if the Rams offer him two
years and ninety million and the Raiders offer him four
years in one hundred and seventy million in no state
tax from California to get on the freeway west East
head East. I'm going to defend that. But if he
goes to the New York Giants, it's a money grab.

(19:38):
I mean, that's like Robinson Cano going from the Yankees
to the Mariners. I lost respect. You're not about winning,
You're not about competing. It's just a money grab in
a way, it would be like Katie to Brooklyn. Now,
Kadi to Brooklyn was not a money grab, but it
was kind of weird, right, Like he just wanted to
go where he wanted to go, and he didn't feel loved.
Matt Stafford has loved Everybody loves Matt Stafford. But there

(20:00):
our realities that you can get trapped very quickly in
this league on old quarterbacks Denver Cleveland, if somebody's been
banged up a few times and Matt Stafford's taking a
lot of hits. The Rams have leverage here, and their
leverage is we're one of the five best run franchises
in the league. And the Giants are a bad organization.

(20:21):
Eight years, one playoff game, one playoff win. I think
it is. They're just not a I mean, the head
coach and the GM and I think they both had
to say, let Saquon Barkley walk to arrival. That's probably
more Joe Shane than Brian Babel, but it's not a
good organization. So I will defend him if he gets
four years and goes to the Raiders, because I think
Pete and Chip Kelly are going to work and it's

(20:43):
a tough division, but can you imagine that division with
Herbert bow Nicks, Matt Stafford and Mahomes. Here's Albert Brer
yesterday on Vegas. The fit for Stafford.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
I think it makes some sense for the Raiders in
that I think so much of what Tom Brady is
doing and trying to establish there is to add credibility
to the organization. Pete Carroll obviously is a very credible
head coaching hire John spy Tech is well respected across
the NFL coming in as his GM. You've got resources,
which is part of how you pay say six million

(21:13):
dollars a year to go and get Chip Kelly and
adding Matthew Stafford at quarterback I think would make some
sense from that standpoint in that you're gonna be able
to get competitive quicker.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I'll defend him on that, ill defend I still
think he's gonna stay with the Rams.

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By the way, give the audience a heads up. Who's
your final four right now?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Oh geez after a rough night in college?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well you common struggled, Produce struggled a little bit, Duke
scuper Flag.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
You have to put them in there for sure. I
like Houston a little bit. They're looking pretty sharp. Auburn
is incredible, and I'll go Alabama as well.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I think the SEC is the best. I've never seen
a conference with that many good teams loaded. It's like
nine deep ten deep at the SEC. It's incredible. Yesterday
we talked about this briefly. The NFLPA, the National Football
League Player Association, hands out grades for their teams. It's anonymous,

(23:10):
so they vote on coach, owner, food, travel, weight, room,
and treatment of family. So it doesn't mean anything to me.
I don't really care that much. The largest decline of
any team in the league that went down year to
year the most the Philadelphia Eagles, by the way. Number
one is Miami and they haven't won a playoff game
in twenty five years. The Raiders are near the top.

(23:31):
The Chiefs are at near the bottom. So I can
remember when USC. The last time USC football was a
national power, Pete Carroll, they had horrible facilities. I mean,
i'd prisons had better weight rooms. Now they have beautiful
facilities and they can't beat Maryland and Minnesota. What does
it matter? So when I hear about you know, food

(23:53):
and elite traveled, apparently Patriot players were upset they don't
get good Wi Fi on the plane. Sorry, you can't
watch Netflix tackle better. The one place the Chiefs got
a night plus head coach. And I've said this to friends.
I love that I get free coffee at Fox. I

(24:13):
get Cafe Americanos. I have like four a day, and
they got gummy bears everywhere. The best part about Fox
management lets me say whatever I want to say and
leaves me alone. It's all about coaching. I don't care
about your plane player empowerment, treatment of family. It would
be great if you offered daycare for all the kids
all the time. It would be great. But I've always
had this feeling. I covered Mike Tyson in his prime

(24:39):
and I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas and he
his favorite gym to work out at was the darkest, dingiest,
smallest gym in Las Vegas. It was called Johnny Toco's
Ringside Jim Rest in peace to a beautiful older boxing guy.
Johnny was a wonderful human being. I would hang out
in his gym. I watched so many fighters in that gym.

(24:59):
Tyson and loved it. And you know why, Mike Tython
loved it because he was going to work. He was
going to work and when he walked into the ring
black trunks and a torn up hoodie, he was going
to work. If you're sitting worried about Wi Fi and
having the shiniest locker rooms, you don't care about what matters.

(25:20):
Now in college football, it's a little different because the
players choose you. So I do think it matters that
Ohio State and Texas and Oregon have beautiful facilities. It
matters some, but in the end, it's all about coaching
and GMing and the fact that Philadelphia had a major
decline and the Raiders are near the top. And I've

(25:41):
heard this, by the way, I know the GM formerly
in Vegas and he said the facilities are amazing. I
wish the owner was that good. I wish they get
the better coaches. So I don't take a lot of
stock in this stuff. I think in college football, facilities matter.
But the one category that I think was promising is
that twenty coaches received a's and so I think Albert

(26:03):
Breer talked about this yesterday, is that players like their
coaches and that matters.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
One thing that's definitely notable is it has gotten better, Like
it seems like what they're doing is working. You know,
they showed us a whole bunch of different statistics and
metrics that show that there are far fewer failing grades
for teams that players are handing out. And I think
a big part of that is that a lot of
these guys were embarrassed by some of the stuff that

(26:30):
was out there on their teams, and so I do
think to some degree some of that stuff's been fixed.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Now Cincinnati and I don't even know how this is possible,
got an F on food. Now. I have noted many
times cheapest organization in the league. I do not know
how you get an F on food? Are you giving
these guys hull hos and ding dongs for breakfast? Like?
How do you get an F on food? I mean
you can't. What are you serving Joe Burrow for lunch

(26:59):
that you would get a TV dinners again?

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We go, it's our two? Is it Thursday to day? Jmac?
Is Thursday? You don't have so much fun on the show?
Is just there all the same day? I can't tell
Anthony Edwards at the Lakers tonight you going? You know
Finch could get me tickets? Look on you guys, are
you going?

Speaker 5 (27:35):
I can't got a two?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Good? Then we have a men's league regular season? Oh okay, okay, alright,
watch that. I think this is very Steve Starkeisan Longhorn
football coach coming up in a couple of minutes. So
I think this story on John Lynch. The Niners are
negotiating with Brock Purty. So I've said this before, do

(27:56):
not confuse great story with great player. So Rock Purty
being the last guy taken in a draft and getting
to a Super Bowl that's a Disney movie. Don't hand
him a great contract because he's a great story. And
last year Christian McCaffrey gets ding da Brandon Iyuk is out.

(28:20):
You know, Trent Williams has heard little ice on the
road and his car was spinning out of control. Suddenly
he had twelve picks, fourth in the league. So last
year against playoff teams, one in six, one and six,
nine touchdowns, ten picks, eighteen point nine points a game.

(28:42):
So again, Dak Prescott was a great story. He got
a great contract, and Dallas has been irrelevant since. I
like Brock Perdy. But again, the minute there was a
little ice on the road, can you drive in bad weather?

(29:02):
Can you drive on icy roads? Because that's what November, December,
January football is in the NFL. I would give him
a contract. I think he's a good kid. I think
his superpower. Jmack talked about this yesterday. I think above
the shoulders, the kid is really quick. I think cognitively,
he's a really bright kid and he gets it really quick.
But listen, Andy Reid and Mahomes. Once they paid Patrick Mahomes.

(29:26):
Andy Reid and Mahomes have struggled the last two years
to score points. Okay, that's what happens when you pay
the quarterback, You're gonna have to make big time decisions.
And I'll just throw this out there, the NFC West.
So who's your biggest rival if you're the Niners, Jmack,

(29:46):
it's the Rams. Okay. The Rams defense is good, bordering
on excellent, young and getting better. Seattle and Arizona with
defensive coaches, both their defenses moved up dramatically. Last year,
Arizona was bottom of the league. Now they're middle of
the pack. So look, my take is the NFC West

(30:10):
has become a very good defensive division. And if the
Rams are your rival, and we know brock perty is
not Stafford the talent, good luck against that Rams defense
because it is it is gonna be the next Eagles defense.
It is that good they get. If they land a
good corner in the first or third round, they don't
have a second round pick. Watch out. They're about a

(30:31):
corner away from being even better. So I'll just say
last year was a real year for brock Purty. Like
he didn't have all his weapons, he had some of them.
Kittle was great, Kittle was outstanding. Deebo Samuel was there.
Shanahan's a brilliant play designer, played color I'm not you
had you had some weapons, but they were one in

(30:52):
six against playoff teams. They eight against bad teams. They
scored twenty eight a game against non playoff teams. They scored,
you know, nineteen in a game against playoff teams. And
not only did he have twelve picks, some of them rugly,
like more than a few were. What are we doing here?
Here's John Lynch on the discussion on the contract. They're

(31:16):
already talking.

Speaker 8 (31:18):
We have started negotiations. We're talking. I won't go into negotiations,
like always is our stance. Want brought to be our
quarterback as long as we're here and beyond, and we'll
leave it at that. I think the final thing, there's
no guarantees that we get something done, but my experience
has been when both sides are motivated, there's ample opportunity

(31:40):
to do so.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I mean, there's three quarterbacks in this league that win
regardless of what's around them. Lamar, Josh and Patrick. It
just doesn't matter. Herbert's good, but he needs the right coach. Right.
Herbert's good needs the right coach. Joe Burrow's great, needs
a better offensive line and a better de There's three
guys in this league that you can pay a ton

(32:02):
of money to and they're still gonna win seventy five
percent of their games. Lamar, Josh and Patrick. That's it.
So I'm just throwing it out there. I know, old
Jay Matt give the bag to. Everybody over here is
just throwing him around like their jolly ranchers, just throwing
those bills around, those c notes around. You gotta be
careful you even you would acknowledge once you pay the quarterback,

(32:24):
you're gonna have to you can't keep all the players.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, I mean, listen, you did some cherry picking with
the stats against playoff teams. Oh no, no, Christian McCaffrey, no,
Brandon Ayuki's missing half his team. Like, yeah, he had
a couple of bad games, but you're dislike for party. Really,
it's not just when it comes back to audience. This
is real talk that he was the dead last pick
in the draft. If Rock Berdy was like the last

(32:48):
pick in the first round, coward.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Would be giving him chances.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Everybody would.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
People are out on him because he was not an
early pick. He has proven more to you as a starter,
has he not?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I am not or that he's an elite obviously he's
not an elite quarterback. I am not out on him.
I've never been out on Dak. I am out on
paying Dak sixty million a year. I'm not out on
brock Party. I don't think you should pay him early.
I'd let the contract run fifty.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
How's fifty?

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Nope for we can talk about that Rember your alternative.
But remember he says, no thanks, I'm gonna test the market.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Okay, good luck, good luck for that, all right, good luck,
go ahead. I'm just saying this is not Saquon Barkley
going from the Giants to the Eagles. If he went
to Seattle with a defensive coach, He's not the same player.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Okay, who would you rather take if you were the Colts,
Rock Purty or Sam Darnold.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
If I'm the Colts, Yeah, well you're gonna have to pay,
according to the agent here more for Purty and Donald's
a much better athlete with a better arm.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Oh what you think? Donald is a better quarterback than
right now than Rock Perley.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
He's a much better athlete with a much better arm.
That's all what I'm saying. I'm just talking about traits
as a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
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Speaker 1 (34:12):
Passed away at ninety five years old today in Santa Fe,
New Mexico. Just a tip, he's obviously. Hoosiers is arguably
the greatest sports movie of all time. If you want
to watch an old school movie, go to nineteen seventy
Four's the conversation. Now that's the year Chinatown came out,
and Godfather too, so the conversation was totally overlooked. It's

(34:33):
a sneaky great Top twenty five, Top thirty film all time.
I'm just throwing.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'm listen. I value some things you say, and I'll
go check out the conversation.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Okay, now now now again that's I should I take
it back. Top one hundred movie of all time, Top
THIRTYES two grands, top is way too great. Yeah, that's
way too much, because you got to you gotta figure out.
It's about six Kevin Costner, Top thirty overlooks oh god,
Top top fifteen over, Okay, there you go, Top fifteen
over number one, overlooked all time. That's the voice of
Will Blackman Radio audience, the number one overlook movie of

(35:07):
all time, Dead Calm with Billy Zaye and Nicole Kidman.
Have you ever seen Dead Calm?

Speaker 3 (35:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Oh, it is anybody here in the set scene Dead Calm?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Oh you got nobody on the set?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Oh God, you've seen it. Okay, one guy got his
act together. Okay, Will black So watch the conversation. Nineteen
seventy four Chinatown Godfather Too came out. Nobody nobody talked
about the movie. It's one of Hackman's great ones. Okay,
twelve years in the NFL. He's gonna be on speech
later today, my buddy, Will Blackman. Okay, So I want
to start with this. The NFLPA comes out with a

(35:41):
report card. Yes, I don't know how in the world
Cincinnati got an F on food. I have no idea
how bad the food is. Does it matter how nice
the facilities are, just matter how nice the plane is.
It helps help helps one.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Maybe maybe the Bengals are serving too much chili up there.
That's partly what's going on here. It helps just in
terms of like just the vibe. Like when I worked
with the Cowboys last year, that's it was a great
place to go to. It was a great, great facility,
great food, like everything was awesome there. But in terms
of like free agent wise, it's more of like the destination.

(36:17):
I don't think they it's so much the facility. But
I will say this though. When I was on the
then Redskins and we signed Josh Norman, I remember he
came into the building and mister Snyder overheard him saying, like,
this locker room is terrible, like a locker room was.
We did not have a good locker room. We had
the same locker room that the that the Washington team

(36:38):
had in nineteen ninety two. It's the same locker room.
And literally apparently what I apparently, missus Snyder heard that
we broke ground literally next day or sometime that we
and we.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Had a new locker room. So it matters for free agents.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Too, Yeah, it does to an extent. I mean, if
you're in a cool destination and you're getting your bag,
you're getting money. I mean, at the end of the day,
like it is what it is. But we have great
facilities in green Bay, but people no one really wanted
to come to green Bay.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, weather whatever, small market, So green Bay has good facilities, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I liked it when I was there.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, I heard they like I heard Green Bay. I
mean they'll iron your socks like they treat players.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
It is. It is full service. I didn't pay for
a car, I didn't pay for a cell phone. I
didn't pay for dinner. One thing I paid for.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Was what do you mean you didn't pay for dinner?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Because when you would be out to dinner in like
a fan would I got it, and you wouldn't know,
like Undercovered, they wouldn't tell you didn't know who it was.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's the Midwestern people. They're not flashy packer fans.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I can't say, ah Midwestern.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Okay, how about this? I said this before. I know
money matters. Yes, okay, you live in California, Ram say
two years ninety five million, thirteen and a half percent
state tax. Vegas says three years, one hundred and fifty
no state tax. I'd have to go, you'd have to go.

(38:03):
That's just too big of a guest. And I do
think it matters. It's indoors. I'm not gonna go to
the Giants and play outdoors for a bad organization.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
We're not gonna go with the giants.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
But let me ask you money matters, and for rich
guys maybe it matters less. But I think the Raiders,
I think hiring Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
There's a win.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I think it's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
There's a win, Yes, no question. I will say this too,
which with schel McVay, like he truly respects a player's value.
You know, when I was there this past offseason and
we were discussing free agents, he was like, I like
this guy, but I don't want to insult him by
off from less than what he is worth, right, and

(38:44):
this is about a certain player, And so just knowing
him when he said that, I'm sure he was like, hey,
Matt does deserve to go get what he what he
what he wants based on the market, he should go
get it. It's gonna be really hard for us to
do to get what he to give him what he
wants money wise, but we will love him have him here,
but it has to be at this number. And yeah,

(39:05):
in terms of the Raiders, that was when that job
became available, I out write was like, it makes too
much sense. With Pete Carroll, it makes too much sense
because you truly need someone who is gonna come in
there and completely reset the culture. And there isn't really
anyone who does that better than him.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Do you think Brady taking him skiing matters? Does that
have influence? See it again, Tom Brady took him skiing
up in Montana. Does that matter?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I think that does matter. Yeah, of course that definitely
matters because a lot of the lot of like the
OG quarterbacks, they truly respect Matt Stafford, not just not
just his mind, but what he can do with with
the football. Playing against him twice a year when I
was in Green Bay, I mean I've been seeing those
no look passes since they're you know, the early two thousands,

(39:50):
like that's just what he did. And I mean Aaron
Rodgers was even our record mentioning like, hey, that dude
number nine on Detroit. Like the stuff he can do
with the football, like people I've seen him played against. Obviously,
you say Mahomes, you say Aaron Rodgers, you say Matt Stafford.
In terms of what they can do with the football
just lights out. So I think in terms of, yeah,

(40:10):
if I was him, I definitely if the raid is
off of that, I will go there.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, I feel the same way. And Okay, so now
I have said this and I have been critical of
your friend Aaron, but I said I thought Aaron considering
it was a suboptimal coaching staff in New York at
the end of the year. I like Sola, but when
he left, I didn't think it was a very good staff.
Aaron's last ten games he was good. He was very
very good. I would have no problem saying, Aaron, we're
going to bring in you for two years. First year,
it's your team. We are going to draft a quarterback

(40:35):
next year. But I think forget the being humbled thing.
I think Aaron played good football, and I don't think
he's as good as Matt Stafford now. But I would
have no problem bringing Aaron Rodgers in on a two
year deal. It's your team for a year. You may
win it the second year, but we are going to
draft the quarterback next year.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Would you do that you see any team?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
No, No, I'm saying Rams, use I'm not going to
go with Garapolo of Stafford leaves. I'm gonna we're talking
of a team. We have too many good players.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
We'll still right there. And I think in terms of
what Aaron wants and what the Rams need, that that
makes the most sense that makes the most sense because
they're I mean there there probably aren't too many minds
like Schroul McVay that Aaron respects, and I think I
think them two would be absolutely elak eliteuse, especially what
he did with the flour the same offense, right and

(41:25):
now now you would.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, but his brother, yes, his brother right? All right? No,
I you know it. It sounds like one of these things.
If I always say, if you'd have told people before
Kevin Durant went to the Warriors, if you'd have told
him Kevin Durant's gonna go to the Warriors, it sounded ridiculous.
This is not ridiculous. I think the Raiders have a
slight lead over the Rams. I got a text about

(41:47):
twenty minutes ago and they're like, you're onto something. I
think the Raiders are very attractive, and I'm not. I'm not.
The Rams have too many good players. To ham An Eggett,
you gotta go get somebody who completely got it.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, because again you're still in it. And when I
look at the Raiders going after this, possibly going after Stafford.
You know when when Pete Carrott took over Seattle in
twenty ten, he had a thirty five year old Matt Hasselback.
You know, obviously it was for one year, but they
did go and get a quarterback in terms of Russo,
and they end up signing Matt Flinn. Obviously we know
what happens with that. So I could see this being

(42:19):
a situation where like, you need you need a quarterback
now to get you off the ground or running whatever
he's trying to build in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Okay, so the best athlete in this draft is Travis
Hunter from Colorado plays dB and receiver. Many people may
not know this. You tried out a little receiver at
Boston College and no tryout. Why was this tryout? I
mean they gave you, you said me.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
You know, I took the bait. I took the bait.
I took the bait.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
They gave you a couple of curl routes your senior year.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
No, I ran two routes. I ran a now route
and a go route. I said, I ran two routes.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
And did you have a few catches?

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I was all, acc where you've been at?

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Do you homework? Well? I didn't. I didn't. I didn't
watch your.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
The only reason why I wasn't first team is because
some bumb named Calvin Johnson whatever whoever was he.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
So you you were a great dB and they ran
out of scollies and they said go play some receiver.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
We ran out of receivers and I was a punt
returner and they said would you want to play receiver?
And I said absolutely not, and they asked me probably
five times, and then finally I was like, you know what,
because I just saw the reports that I was one
of the top dv's going too my senior year. So
I was like, I'm not going to mess with that,
and so I finally gave in. I was like, you
know what. I knew I was gonna get drafted eventually,

(43:28):
and we were just trying to win more games and
hopefully win the ACC. So I went to receiver, ended
up winning the X job, and then I ended up
playing nickel as well. So I played I was receiver,
punt returner, kick returner, and nickel.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Now, your reputation was you didn't like to go over
the middle and get hit. That's what the sources tell me.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Wrong sources. There was no need. Just give me the football.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Now, Okay, So my take is you go to the combine.
When you went there, because obviously you showed people you
flexed on both sides. Was it a conversation? I mean,
because travers can do both. You could have been an
NFL receiver obviously you're athletic, and if you're a punt returner,
which I know, what were the conversations like, well.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Here's what's crazy. So I finished my year obviously at receiver.
Then I went to the Senior Bowl as a defensive back,
and then I went to the Combine as a wide receiver.
So I did all the receiver drills and I was done,
and I remember looking up and I saw I think
it was coach Parcels raised his hand, he goes, he
needs to do DV drills and they go, dbs aren't

(44:30):
till later in the week, Well have him doing now.
So I was out there by myself and a bunch
of coaches stayed and I did DV drills right then
and there. And so now prior to that, during the week,
you know, you're meeting with coaches in the hallway and
what have you. And I remember the Atlanta Falcons pulled
me aside and they were like, hey, man, we really
like you at receiver. You know, you did some good things,

(44:52):
and you know, if you're available after the draft as
a free agent, will probably pick you up. And so
I'm thinking, like, I'm like free agent. I was like, oh, no,
I told everybody I'm a defensive bat. If the Atlanta
Falcons thinks I'm a free agent white receiver, then I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna fight or trying to sell

(45:13):
that I'm a receiver. And so I knily I just
told everyone at the combine I'm a dB because if
Atlanta things I'm a free agent, then apparently no.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I want us to get some YouTube receiver video because
all your college video that I've seen is you've blown
people up.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Then you you looked up the wrong We'll buy me.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I got action with you multiple times receiver years.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
We don't really talk about football. We just I mean,
we talked about like food and life. Life. We're actually friends,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, So let me just say this when the combine's
fascinating because I think what makes football players unique is
they grow. There's a physicality to the league that they
grow more slowly than basketball players. You can spot at
fifteen or sixteen. Almost all the Nike knows who the
best prospects are at the team. You have no idea.

(46:08):
In the NFL, A lot of these kids nobody knew
what tom.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
In basketball, you're like, hurry up and finish your freshman
year because we know we're drafted.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, football is different when you go to the combine.
Go back to your combine. Give me two or three
players that you looked at because you were obviously a
dominant high school college athlete. Were there two or three
guys you looked at and went the hell like Calvin
Johnson was he won? You just went, well, you saw
him play in your conference. But I mean, are there

(46:34):
guys at the combine that you knew instantly, Oh, he's
a star in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Day one, Yeah, I remember getting ready, everyone's warming up
for the forty yard dash, and I remember I said,
I went with the I went with the receivers, and
so I see who I played against. Ive seen Vernon
Davis like he I remember, Yeah, he starts getting ready,
he's your right. And this is when Vernon what I mean,
his highlight was him working out. That was his highlight tape.
And he had his dress and he was like he

(47:01):
lined up for his forty and he looks at me.
He was like four three six, and I'm like, yeah, right,
he was a tight end. Two fifty five sings four.
I'm like four, I am four to three seven.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I go, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
And for me, like, I know how athletic I was,
and I'm not easily impressed. But when I seen that
man with that stature run a four to three seven.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I brought this up live two days ago or three
days ago on the show j Mac. I said, one
of the most memorable things I ever remember at the
combine was Vernon Davis with a tight shirt. I don't
think under armourable. I don't know if they know they
were a company yet.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It was a rebuk was okay, he.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Had a tight shirt on and I'm like, I can
see his six pack through his T shirt. Bro.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
And then the other one was you know how you
do the receiver gauntlet drill you have to catch football? Well,
it was Marcus Colston for the Saints who went to Hofstra. Yeah,
he didn't have any gloves. And I'm like, we got
Jay Cutler throwing the ball to Var's jack and throwing
the ball like ripping the football and I went through

(48:03):
it and the lace has ripped my gloves when I
caught the ball and he went through there just boom boom,
no gloves, And I'm just like, okay, that's a grown man,
a grown.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Man, you know. It's what's funny. I'm gonna go old
school here. So I went to college at a university,
Eastern Washington. University used to be the home of the
Seattle Seahawks camp. So the Seahawks were kind of a
new football team, a little bit new, but you know,
everybody knew who they were, and it was Zorn and Largent.
I go to camp one year and I stayed for
summer school. I was dating a tennis instructor. A long story.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I don't need to know that.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Just why did I do that?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Why?

Speaker 3 (48:36):
I know exactly?

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Okay whatever? Not appropriate. So anyway, So anyway, I go
to practice and number forty one from Colgate is lighting
up Steve Large or thereabout, like like elit players, and
I go get the card. You buy it for like
a buck. I'm like, who is Eugene Robinson?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Literally, first sat two picks, blew a receiver up, and
I'm like, So it's funny about when you go and
you play. So you go to the Green Bay Packers.
And I've told people this all the time. A player
like you can tell within two practices like who's the
guy from Oftra right now, who's the guy from I'd

(49:21):
never seen it at the time. I never seen Colgate's
Ivy League. Got that. I'd never seen an IVY League
football game. So were you nervous at the combine?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I was not nervous at all. I was. I was
so excited because I'm such a fan of football, so
I grew up, you know, watching everything, and I could
not wait to go there. And I would say I was.
I was nervous maybe for some of the interviews, just
because you heard all the crazy stories and what have you.
The only thing I truly didn't like is are the

(49:50):
physicals straight violation violation. I had a I had like
a grade two like AC separation on my shoulder and
I had I'm I'm sitting there on the table, there's
all the team doctors around me, and one of them,
you know, tested out my strength for my shoulders. Passed,
got to doctor four, past doctor five. I'm like, wait,

(50:13):
I said, do all y'all need to strength test me?
And they're like, well, we need to see for ourselves.
I'm like, so by the time I got to Team
twenty nine done, So I ended up. I didn't bench
press that that day because I couldn't. I had nothing left.
The doctors crushed my shoulders. It was crazy or another
doctor found out I sprained my ankle when I was

(50:33):
like I had like a hairline fraction when I was
like thirteen. Yeah, weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah. Well, the team doctors, I didn't love them back
in the seventies, eighties, nineties. They've gotten better. There's always
been Remember the Chargers had that situation where Tyrod Taylor
before I punctured. Yeah, we'll sketchy on that. Okay, So
I think I've told you before you've thought about doing coaching.
I think you should go into the front office. I
think you're more cerebral, you should go upstairs. Uh, you

(50:59):
shouldn't go to college. No life, You're the you're the
Niners GM. He and I go back and forth on
this last year. Christian McCaffrey's not available. Trent Williams banged
up pretty throws twelve picks, many ugly passer ratings in
the nineties. I'm not paying him fifty large. I'm not

(51:21):
doing it. I like him.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
What does he deserve?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Well, what he's earned, in my opinion, is closer to
Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
He earned fifty.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Oh, come on, he earned fifty twelve picks last year.
That's not bad. He's it's not a Disney movie. I
don't care that he was drafted in the.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Seventh ra in the NFL is not bad.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
You you would give him fifty large fifty.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
You look at the list of the guys making fifty.
He's like, what would you give Sam Darnold under fifty?
I would give I think Sam's in the Baker class.
Sam's definitely the Baker class.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Like thirty eight million, He's in the Baker class.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Is a big class.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
You give you get brought pretty fifth fifty. Look at
that picture. You can't see it behind you. The hand
are a little small. It drizzles. The ball comes out
of his hands.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
It drizzles.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Well fifty, Oh god, that's a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
It is a lot of money. But then he should
have played horrible the past years he's been there.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Okay, I'm just I'm just throwing it out there. I
feel you, Okay, now, now you work for the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I did, Uh.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
It was some front office stuff, right, yes, I did both.
What do you make of that operation? Right now? I
want honesty, I want I come on.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I think I think I think Will Clay is outstanding.
I think he is an outstanding evaluator, and I think
he does a great job. Now the only thing is
he has to vet it through, you know, missus Jerry Jones,
Like that's who has final say. But I think Will
Clay just in general as in terms of what he
does and what he knows, I think he's outstanding, which

(52:53):
is why he got some inquiries from other teams.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Right yeah, But there's a guy upstairs you have to
deal with. It's understood in the York understood. Did you
see Jerry a lot?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
I did. Yeah, he was everywhere he was. He was
full hands on, you know. He he ran the personnel meetings.
You know he was there and he was Yeah, he
was very, very involved. And you knew it too, because
you could be walking down the hall, grabbing a shake whatever,
and all of a sudden you see the chopper coming down,
laying a ran a practice field like we got a meeting,

(53:23):
Like he's here.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Oh yeah, does he talk like if he and Steven
are in the room at the same time, who talks
everyone speaks. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
One thing, one thing from my experience, he when mister
Jones spoke like everybody had a chance. He wasn't like
talking over people. Now I wasn't there during the entire season.
I was there just the whole off season. But you know,
and being in there like there are a lot of
things that you know, I agree with in terms of
like personnel stuff that's going on, and so he just

(53:52):
again it still has to run through him. But overall,
like I said, in terms of being in that area, like, well,
well McLay is great. I think he's great.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
All right, do we ever find that YouTube video? It's
like finding Bigfoot video. Some catches by you and the acc.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
We've got a bit of chance frying that than me
finding the conversation.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Is in nineteen seventy four was a great year.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
It is not one I played. Oh I thought you's
about me?

Speaker 1 (54:18):
No, no, no, you were more closer to the early eighties.
But the conversation was in a year of two great
movies Godfather Too Godfather three I think stinks, but Godfather
Too is pretty good in Chinatown with Jack Nicholson and
so the conversation was overlooked.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Should I start a conversation in around six pm?

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I would say this, the most underrated movie of my
lifetime is dead Calm. I'll tell you this. Forty year
Old Virgin is the most underrated comedy of my life.
That's the only comedy I've ever watched. It gets better. Generally,
comedies have a great opening twelve minutes and then they

(54:57):
you know, then sizzles. Forty year old Virgins last thirty
minutes are as funny and better than the first hour.
That's an underrated movie. And the conversation's top fifteen underrated
movies of all time? What's so funny? What are you
laughing at?

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Jon?

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Do you have? Do you give me a movie you
think it doesn't get the resume?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
I'm not you know, what's tough. Let's just say mission impossible.
I'm just not a I'm not a crazy movie guy.
Okay to have these arguments, Okay, all right, I like
what I like and I'm not a crazy I'm like.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
A you know, I don't know, I'm just hero wine
somem all.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I would say, like, Who's isn't the best sports movie?
It's Rocky.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Rocky probably is the best sports movie, Yeah, yeah, who's
your second? And that one with what was the miracle
on Ice one? Oh my god, that speech in the
locker room by Kurt Russell, that one move me Caddy
shack is for Caddy shack.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Is you're just trying to cause drama. How are you
gonna throw Caddy shack at four?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
No miracle and ice three, Caddy shack at four, natural
Outntl's not believable. Nobody's hitting balls that blow up school.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Don't throw Rudy in there either.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Don't thought Rudy was overrated?

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Thank you, thank you. See we agree on something wholeheartedly.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
You know, I didn't think Rudy was that great.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, Rudy. Sorry, Oh oh.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I cannot believe I I whiffed. Oh my bad, totally,
I totally screwed up. The best sports movie of all
time is Moneyball? Rocky second, Who's yours?

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Third?

Speaker 1 (56:30):
My bad? Money you've seen Moneyball?

Speaker 3 (56:32):
It's a very that's no, it's great, it's very nerdy.
I just appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
But Rocky, Okay, we gotta go. We still couldn't find
that catching the ball video at Boston College. We'll look
it up. A couple of couple of drag routes he
picked up a first, not much to see live in Lance.
Third