February 27, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin states the NBA has only had three faces of the league: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, and LeBron James.
Matt Stafford's reps are talking with multiple teams
The Mavericks weren't ready for the divorce with Luka
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Here we go, loaded, ready to roll live in Los Angeles,
Hits The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be watching or listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. Jmac, I've got an interesting lead today. There
are things that I talked about this all week long
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outside of the NFL, All Sports or second and that
you know, the Dodgers get Show Heyo Tony, and it
literally helped the entire league. Revenue sharing Fox ratings were up.
Show Heyo Tani just drive I five Angels to Dodgers
helped the league. NFL doesn't matter who ends up. But
there's been a lot of talk about the NBA and
they need a face of the league. And I'm gonna
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tell you something right now. The only thing more overrated
than face of the league is people that buy gigantic
houses and they spend their next seven years yelling at
their kids upstairs in the twenty seven thousand square foot house.
Whenever I see these rich people buy these huge houses,
I'm like, you can't possibly have kids, you screaming constantly
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to find them. Smaller the house, the more the love
in the house. You're around each other, right, And I've
always had this feeling about face of the league. The
NBA's had three all time. No, no, you think they've
had eight ten. Wilt wasn't the face of the league.
He was flaky and weird. Kareem was the best player
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for over a decade. Stoic. I mean you watched you
watch the HBO series on Kareem That was very accurate.
He was difficult to get along with, and Magic Johnson
gets along with everybody the league has had. There's a
story this morning. Jason Tatum gets glossed over or ignored
when observers consider face of the league. Hell, he wasn't
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face of the Celtics in the finals. Jalen Brown was
Marcus Smart two years earlier was taking the ball from him.
There's something about movie stars. Tom Cruise is a movie star.
John Malkovic is a great actor, Denzel Washington. That's a
movie star. Jeremy Irons. You could argue maybe a better actor.
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Some would say maybe not, but there's a cool and
a charisma. Tatum's excellent. He's not in the same zip
code as cool Zion had a chance to be face
of the league, but he ate himself out of playing time.
John Morant maybe had a chance. He wasn't mature enough.
There's been three faces of the league. And I've been
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watching this league since I was on a bunk bed
in nineteen seventy two watching Wilton the Lakers, Old Wilt
with a headband, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich. Yes, yes, that's
why I got this gray hair. I've watched a lot
of NBA in the seventies. The rest of you collected
baseball cards. I collected NBA cards. Three faces of the League, Magic, Michael,
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and Lebron and that is it. Well, what about Kobe Bryant.
He wasn't as popular as Shaq. People worship Kobe's talent,
people liked Shaq. What about Steph Curry? He's close, but
you can have one face of the league and in
his prime. Lebron was in his prime and Steph's never
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really sold shoes. And by the way, you generally have
to be the best player on your own team. For
several years with KD, he wasn't. And I'm a huge
Steph fan. So there's a couple of factors that are
really important. First of all, and this is why Steph
is close, you have to have an other worldly talent.
We've never seen anything like Magicjhnson, the smile, the passes.
He was a six to nine point guard. Against the
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Sixers in the finals, he played center and scored forty
two points. Michael Jordan greatest player ever. I mean, nobody
played like Michael. You never seen anything like Michael. And
Lebron James again walked into the league. The first night
of the NBA out of high school. He scored twenty points.
He was scoring forty later that year. So you have
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to have other worldly talent. You also have to want it. Michael,
Magic and Lebron are outstanding business guys. They read the
business page before they read the sports page. And number three,
it really helps if we're introduced to you early. We're
watching Michael Jordan as a freshman at North Carolina. Who
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is this kid? We're watching Magic Johnson, Winn a Natty
over Larry Bird National Championship, jud Heathcote, the Spartans, who's
this kid? All all the crazy passes, and Lebron James
in high school the chosen one. This is where this
is where like Tim Duncan was good enough, but boring
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Kareem was great enough, but stoic Kobe, little moody, little
difficult Shack was more liked. But it really helps if
we're introduced to you early. And that's where it hurts
the international guys, none of it. I mean, I'm not
sitting watching Lithuanian basketball on YouTube. Maybe you are, most
people are not. And that's why Zion had a chance.
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His YouTube stuff blew up in his crazy dunks and
then he goes to Duke and then there's the shoe
deal where it explodes and it's Nike and you're like, okay,
here it goes. And he got a taste of that
jumbal eye and that New Orleans food which I had
for a week, and you know, he went little sideways,
a lot of sideways. So international guys sort of get
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dropped onto bad teams and then you look up three
years later with Jannis and go, whoo, that guy's amazing.
We like the journey in America. We love the journey.
We want to be introduced to you the movie Air
with Michael Jordan. We want to see a struggle. I
mean Magic Johnson, the personal stuff HIV. We've seen Magic's journey.
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We love Magic. If you're at a Laker game, and
this is the craziest thing, Magic's everywhere in Los Angeles.
If you're at a Laker game and Magic Johnson walks
into the arena, I am not joking, the crowd stands.
It's insane. It's like he's all over town. You see
see him driving around town. Kareem walks into the arena
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arguably a greater player. Nobody gets up. He's an intellect.
He's fascinating. I have tons of respect for him. He
was the best player when I was a kid. Better
than Wilt for sure, greater offensive player than Russell, who
I didn't see play live. But there is a charisma
and a star power Jalen Brown, isn't it. Nobody's overlooking
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Jalen Brown. The only guy that's got an argument to me,
a real argument, is Steph Curry. But there's one face
of the and in his prime Lebron was in his
prime and so and I don't think. I don't think
sports need to have a face of the league. I mean,
Oh Tawani is the face of baseball with Aaron Judge.
Both appear to be great guys. One in New York,
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one in LA. Do you have to have one? I
mean to me, in baseball, it's more about what teams
are winning. If the Yankees are winning, if the Dodgers
are winning, Atlanta Cubs viable, Maybe the Mets baseball's fine.
Philly's help as well, and that's why they're good. But
this talk about face of the league, there's been three
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in my lifetime. It's not just about productivity. Or Jeremy
Irons would be the face of Hollywood. Denzel's been that,
Tom Hanks has been that, Tom Cruise has been that.
There's there's a there's a there's a formula for all
this stuff. And that's why it's so damn hard. Some
of the guys don't want it. I'm not sure Wemby
wants it. I think Aunt, by the way, if Aunt
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played in Los Angeles, I think you'd have a shot.
If Wemby was in New York International, maybe a shot
but there's a lot of components to this stuff. And
I don't think Jason Tatum and this is not disrespectful
to his game. But when I watched the finals, I
mean they ship Marcus Smart out of town a defensive
guard because he was taking a ball out of Jason
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Tatum's hands. Nobody took it out of Lebron's hands, including
Kyrie Irving and d Wade. Nobody took the ball out
of Michael's hands, and Kareem, you run the show. There
is an alpha, there is a formula. Jason Tatum's a
great player, but he's closer to Duncan in personality than Magic.
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Just think about this. Close your eyes unless you're driving
and listening on radio. Let's close our eyes. Close our eyes.
Think about Magic Johnson. You can see the smile. Think
about Michael. You can see that cocky grin. Think about Lebron.
You can see the imagery, pregame chock. You can close
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your eyes and there's images with stars. Close your eyes
now and do it with Tatum. I don't see anything.
Twenty six a night, I don't see anything. Close your
eyes and do it with Duncan you see a rebound?
I'm not being harsh. Here, I can close my eyes
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and I see Magic Johnson's smile and laugh. I see
Michael Jordan in the documentary. He sees his intensity, his
brooding intensity, but his likability. Lebron James say what you want.
I close my eyes. I can see his game, running
down the floor blocking things. There's a formula to this stuff.
I don't think the NBA needs it, but we've had
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three all time. That's it. Okay, I got one other
thing I want to touch on, and I may have
been rambling there, but you know I feel strongly about that.
So I've said this before. I'm divorced. Wh get a divorce,
you gotta be a grown up. Okay, guys, if you're
going to get a divorce, you have to realize she
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may date somebody that's better looking than you and much
more successful than you. Are you comfortable with that? Grass
is always greener? Are you comfortable with that? So when
the Dallas Mavericks made that trade, what we're finding out
they're now bad mouthing. The X stories are now leaking
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on LUCA. Here's one of the stories that is leaking
on LUCA. Athletic had a story. According to Sam Ammick.
The people who witnessed Luca's last days in Dallas call
him lazy. They talk about the weight issues, They mentioned
the social habits. The athletic has reported on such a
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taste for beer and hookah. That ain't the only thing
they smoking in the NBA. I'm just saying, And if
you've been to New York, go to a hookah bar.
It's a good time, folks. Michael Jordan's smoked cigars, drank wine,
played thirty six holes on days of playoff games. He's
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the goat shack. Came into the season out of shape.
I mean, right now, pot is wine in the NBA.
It's fine. The bottom line is they weren't ready for
this divorce. They thought this divorce was all about Anthony
Davis and getting the lazy guy out. They had no
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idea how much it would tick off Dallas fans and
now they're reeling. I saw a story this morning, and
by the way, all those bad work habits got Luca
five time first team All Pro. Okay, I didn't hurt
him that much. Didn't hurt Michael that much. He was
playing late night game, smoking his seventeenth cigar and four leaking.
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Stuff makes them look bad. The Mavericks ticket prices have
fallen forty percent, and you know what, Luca is now
dating somebody that's more successful, got a lot of trophies,
Crypto Arena, bigger brand, and they didn't think about it.
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They just didn't think about that. This was all about
getting him out. They had no idea how big the
Lakers brand is. They had no idea that it would
create this incredible Lebron James joy and energy, and they're
not here for it. So they're just leaking stuff to
make him look bad. First of all, none of this
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stuff is a surprise. There's a piece of video years
ago Luca after winning or getting to a championship level,
somebody takes a beer out of his hand. The other
thing is kids drink earlier in Europe. Kids are drinking
wine with their parents when they're fifteen years old. In Europe,
go there, more people smoke. It's just a different lifestyle.
It's a very relaxed lifestyle. Long lunches, a lot of SIGs,
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a lot of wine for kids, little chill afternoon siestas.
So this this is a team that that thought they
were ready for the divorce and Luke upgraded and by
the way, in the same conference, just moved down the street,
drives by the house all the time, and you don't
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like what it feels like. All right, A lot of
stuff today. J Mack got some NFL combine stuff. Do
you see the report cards out I did. Some of
the stuff's actually funny. Do you see the Bengals got
an F on food? They how do you get an
F on food?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
They don't give their guys three meals a day.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I mean some of the stuff out there is back
by the way, you mentioned a hookah lounge.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Earlier, met my wife at a hookah lounge in New
York City.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Now it starts at a hookah lounge and then late
night it gets into like a vibey lounge type spot
where yeah, they moved the hookahs to the side.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But whoka lounges are great.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Have you done that? I've done that. I took and
to a hookah lounge in New York and we had it.
We did a lot of hookah and Luca. Whoka is
it a verb? Is it that we we just had
a very good time?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Who could? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I still can't get into that text or it's just
text there is nothing beyond text. Is that plural? I
don't know, but you go to a hookah bar and
I just laugh at this because it's like we've all
understood in the NBA KD docs about this. It's it's
pot is wine. Nobody cares. No. The bottom line is
do you have game or do you not have game?
By the way, again, this would be a bigger deal.
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That's why Lucas not gonna be the face of the league.
Like Michael Jordan wouldn't even talk about politics. Lucas unbelievably productive,
but he wants his beer, he wants his hookah. He's
not gonna be in great shape. I've always said he's
closer to Carmelo than he is to Michael Jordan. And
by the way, Carmelo is a Hall of Famer. But
there's certain guys that just aren't gonna be the face
of the league. And they don't they don't want to
be the face of the league. Yokich, the minute he
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won a title, they asked him about the parade, and
he was like, I gotta go to a parade. I
just want to go home and play with my horses.
Like some guys don't want to be faces of the League.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I do have to ask.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I got a text during your rant about Face of
the League. You had Magic, but no Larry Bird don't.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, great example.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
No should they believe together as a past field. No?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So because Larry Bird grumpy, had no interest in it,
didn't have the look or the charisma. Larry Bird is
much more. John Malkovic absolutely respected by everybody in Hollywood,
almost worship John Malcovic walks into a room of actors.
Everybody's like, there's the best actor. Denzel walks in and
everybody goes, damn, that's a movie star. I told you
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the other day there's one person in Hollywood. Maybe Denzel too,
but the one person in Hollywood. If they walked into
this room, I would be nervous. It's not Jeremy Irons,
It's Tom Cruise. And so Larry Bird was this French
lick grumpy. Uh didn't? I mean really? I mean, go
look at the movies done about like Magic and Bert.
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He was grumpy. He hated the media. Magic is in
Beverly Hills with Jerry Buss and the convertible sports car
having the time of his life. And Magic, I mean
the name Magic. So Larry, Like Terry was very French
Lake Indiana, and I love Larry, But I mean, ask yourself.
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I've said this before. Los Angeles is a global city.
Boston's and domestic city. Boston is, Uh, it's you know,
the town departed. Like every third guy's a mobster. Like
I mean, everybody I know, everybody I know from Boston
has a chip on their shoulder. It's sort of insular.
It's incredibly insular. It's one of the only cities in
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the country that does not watch any sports outside of
their market. They did test when I used to work
at the other plates, I saw a test on this.
Boston watches Boston sports. Now. New York will watch the
Rose Bowl. New York will watch the World Series. If
they're not in it, they'll walk. I mean, New York
is a They'll watch anything, La will watch stuff, Seattle, Denver,
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Boston watches Boston. Boston people vacation in Massachusetts, they go
to the Cape. New Yorkers go down to Florida. New
Yorkers will go west. New Yorkers will go to Europe.
Boston guy goes to the Cape.
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All right, you're now entering the no Bull Zone, brought
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So NFL Combine's going on. It's actual known as a
week when a lot of executives go and deals get made.
And you know, it's not just guys in shorts running
forties and cone drills. It's a lot of executives go
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there late nights, cocktails, cigars and figure out deals. So
I saw a story this morning the Giants met with
Matthew Stafford's agent in Indianapolis. So there's two scenarios where
I will defend Matt Stafford if he stays with the Rams. Obviously,
great coach, great org, very good roster, franchise momentum, mcveigh's
had one losing season. They were driving to beat the
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Eagles in a snowstorm. If he stays and takes a
little less and I'm not going to get into players'
money too much, but I would defend him. I would
also defend him on going to the Raiders because I
think Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly are a really, really
good combination as a staff. They don't have any momentum,
but there's no state tax. They've got a good left tackle. Actually,
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I like some of their young offensive linemen at center
and right tackle. They got Max Crosby, and they have
a weapon in Brock Bowers that you cannot cover. You
can literally, he is the greatest tight end prospect now
in the league. Last year as a rookie, they were
bad at quarterback and you still can't cover it. And
they're gonna go in the draft, and it's a great
running back draft, and the Raiders need a running back.
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So what they need the draft is going to provide.
I would excuse you, listen if the Rams offer him
two years and ninety million and the Raiders offer him
four years in one hundred and seventy million in no
state tax from California to get on the freeway west
East head East. I'm going to defend that. But if
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he goes to the New York Giants, it's a money grab.
I mean, that's like Robinson Cano going from the Yankees
to the Mariners. I lost respect. You're not about winning,
You're not about competing. It's just a money grab. In
a way, it would be like Katie to Brooklyn. Now,
Kadi to Brooklyn was not a money grab, but it
was kind of weird, right, Like he just wanted to
go where he wanted to go, and he didn't feel loved.
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Matt Stafford has loved everybody loves Matt Stafford. But there
are reality that you can get trapped very quickly in
this league on old quarterbacks Denver Cleveland, if somebody's been
banged up a few times and Matt Stafford's taking a
lot of hits. The Rams have leverage here, and their
leverage is we're one of the five best run franchises
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in the league, and the Giants are a bad organization.
Eight years, one playoff game, one playoff win. I think
it is they're just not a I mean, the head
coach and the GM and I think they both had
to say, let Saquon Barkley walk to arrival. That's probably
more Joe Shane than Brian Babel, but it's not a
good organization. So I will defend him if he gets
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four years and goes to the Raiders, because I think
Pete and Chip Kelly are gonna work and it's a
tough division, but can you imagine that division with Herbert
bow Knicks, Matt Stafford and Mahomes. Here's Albert Brer yesterday
on Vegas. The fit for Stafford.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I think it makes some sense for the Raiders in
that I think so much of what Tom Brady is
doing and trying to establish there is to add credibility
to the organization. Pete Carroll obviously is a very credible
head coaching hire John spy Tech is well respected across
the NFL coming in as his GM. You've got resources,
which is part of how you pay say six million
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dollars a year to go and get Chip Kelly and
adding Matthew Stafford a quarterback, I think would make some
sense from that standpoint in that you're gonna be able
to get competitive quicker.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, I'll defend him on that if I still think
he's gonna stay with the Rams. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
This is the headline.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
News, all right.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Let me start with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Colin. Before that Super Bowl victory, remember, there were a
lot of rumors about drama with AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
They had like a fractured relationship.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Brandon Graham had said something on a radio show in
December saying that their interactions had changed, and then there
was an apology. But it doesn't seem to matter because
Philly whooped the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and Brown
to address their relationship on a recent podcast.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I'll be seen up here lying to tell you that
if we never had any issues, like you know, uh,
we do. Two guys too appas who wants to be
the best in demand greatness from each other and everyone
around us.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So some reports are true, some reports aren't true.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
But me and him, good man, you know, we we
just want to be great, and like I said, we
push each other in and you know sometimes you know,
we bump heads, but you know that that's that's normal,
you know, and don't nobody sweat it.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, I'm about over chatty wide receivers calling out quarterbacks
like let's be honest about this team with Davonte Smith,
Dallas Garter, Saquon Barkley in that old line, you could
move off AJ Brown. He's very very good. No, I
love him. I also I love DK Metcalf. Seattle could
move off him.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I mean, why Seattle doesn't want anything with Metcalf? This
guy is instrumental to win him.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
He's very very good player. But I think I think
wide receiver is Buffalo proved it. I mean Kansas City
proved it.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Buffalo doesn't want anything.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Casey as Patrick Maholmes, like, you're willing to move off
AJ Brown right now?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I'm saying they have to move off players. Howie Roseman
has come out in the last forty eight hours and said,
it's gonna be interesting, It's gonna be a very just
be patient with us. They've got to move off a
couple of big pieces. Are you gonna pay a linebacker?
Are you gonna pay that linebacker big money?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
You can find a linebacker. You can't find an AJ Brown?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
No, but I can find eighty percent of AJ Brown.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I'm over built because DeVonta Smith is amazing against zones
and if you go man, nobody can guard a J Brown.
You saw Book McDuffie in the Super Bowl, Like he's
I don't want to say unguardable, but he's definitely a
top five receiver.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I'm not doubting that. But I will tell you is
December and January, deep threats do not have the impact
that they do early. This Philadelphia team. Soule is that
offensive line, that quarterback, and that running back. So if
Saquon Barkley, who's like all class, would never call out
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a quarterback ever under any circumstances. If he did, I'd
swallow hard and deal with it. I'm not this. If
I don't want to hear this stuff, I would call
him in right now and say you're not talking about
the quarterback publicly, or we're gonna move you, or we're
gonna move you to Jacksonville.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
But before you say that, I think you should go
to Mike Brabel and be like, hey, how was life
before and after AJ Brown and Tennessee?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
How'd that work out? Because apparently all the reports Brable was.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Craspy, but Tennessee didn't have anybody else. They've always been
a receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Like if I had Derrick Henry and Tannehill there their
number one seed in the AFC one one.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You're comparing that Tennessee team to this Philadelphia roster, I
would say A J. Brown, I'd say, first and last warning,
we don't talk about our quarterback publicly. We're not doing
that that. The soul of this team is that GM,
the on line, Saquon and Jam.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think a grown man who's wealthy and talented is
going to take that.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well, how is he gonna take being traded to Jacksonville?
I'm sorry, Philadelphia. The one thing that's gonna unravel this
thing is chatter.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Would that be like if you came to me and said,
J Mac no more, Austin Reeves love on this show.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You can't do it anymore. We're gonna shift you.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
If I had a better old line, I would I'd
ship you to the Bravo Network.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Oh damn.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Next story is at Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
They still haven't decided on the quarterback the college. There's
more leaks than the Iraqi Navy right now in Pittsburgh.
According to Steelers insider Mark Cabuli, the team wants Justin
Fields over Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Know what do you mean? The team is that?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Well, that's like everybody except the owner. Apparently Justin Fields
is the guy they want.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
But you can't put all your.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Eggs in your you can't put all the eggs in
your basket. And while they wait for him, they've got
to pretend like they're interested in everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Now Art Rooney.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Apparently the owner really likes Russell Wilson. There's some speculative
stuff about sponsors and Russell Wilson really plays well with
them and all that nonsense out there.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Apparently they cannot afford Matt Stafford. That's another report.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
So right now it's very chatty, and that's not normal
in Pittsburgh, is it?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Usually they're buttoned.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Up right now, it just feels who does Pittsburgh realize?
Is anybody in the media going to acknowledge this?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They're quickly becoming a have not. They really are their
offense in the last eight years, look at it. It's
an offensive league. They will again be the most money
spent on defense. They are tone deaf to the most
important side of the ball. I don't care about a
coach that's never been under five hundred that like what.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Like how about this? So the Steelers are in the plays.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
They've got a really high floor. The Steelers ceiling is
way lower. Last four or five playoff games, they've been
blown out.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Okay, so let's say you were born in twenty twelve, right,
and you're an NFL fan. Basically you're a fan of Steelers.
You're in the playoffs every year, you're you're tending. What
if you're a Jets fan? Twelve never stick.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
First of all, if you're if you're born in twenty twelve,
you're thirteen years old. You couldn't buy any of the
products or tickets anyone who cares?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know my point?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Like, the Steelers fans have something to cheer every year
we're in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
We're contending.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Meanwhile, you got other have nots, like the Jets, we're
not even in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I think you should be happy.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I think the Steelers have become a high floor, incredibly
low ceiling team. I don't even I don't. I mean,
if I actually.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Been wrong with that, Not everybody's gonna win the Super
Bowl every single year.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
When you've got trophies, like how many they got five trophies?
I think it is a problem. It was a problem
with the Dodgers until last year. You're looking around and going, okay,
you're great every year winning your division outside of that
shortened season, like it was it a strike season or
a shortened season, and when a World Series, it was
like the Dodgers are like, no, no, we're the Dodgers.
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We leave the league in revenue or second of the Yankees.
We sell at our stadium, we have great attendance, we
have huge payroll. You gotta win. You have to win
in baseball in October. The Yankees have had one bad
season in fifteen years and that was not acceptable. So
when you're ceiling, you're the Steelers, the Packers, the Yankees.
These are big brand Georgia football. Eight wins is not
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good enough in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's more about the quarterback than the brand.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Right since Mahomes, Allen and Jackson, they got that conference
on lock for the next decade.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Calling Steelers aren't There's no way they're.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Cracking this guy.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
They're not beating those guys.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I don't care what you do at quarter the Steelers.
They're a stale franchise.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
All right.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Final story is the Kansas City Chiefs fell short of
the three feet attempts and one of their biggest offseason
questions is Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Is he gonna come back?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Gm Brettfied spoke to the media this week and discuss
Kelsey's status.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
I'm not sure how coach answered that. How we left
at the end of the season is that he was
fired up. He has one more year under contract, and
I still think he has that fire and desire to play.
As far as I'm concerned that there is no deadline,
I think we left it as he'd be back and
we're excited to get him back and get him get
him going.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
A lot of people selling that stock in Kansas City.
I'm gonna say this, There'll be a playoff team match.
Go out to live there.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Uh so you demanded yesterday. I do a mock draft.
It's almost complete.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, when are you gonna get that done?
Speaker 8 (29:21):
I have the.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Chiefs going tight end, the Michigan tight end Lovelandage.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, good player.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
So Kelsey tutors him, shows him how to be a pro,
and then goes off into the sunset.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's not who they're gonna pick. They're gonna pick it off.
They're gonna pick an offensive tackle from Minnesota. I have him.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh yet, Wow, look at you, you're on your mocks
huh that guy, he's on my list here.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I was told, I was told, I was told, I
was told to let's sick. What's the day today? I
was told three months ago at a hookah Bar, I
was told that he was the most underrated offensive lineman
in the draft. The kid from Minnesota. He's very good.
J mckle.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
No, it's a so is a mock. When's the mock
draft come out?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Should be complete here in the next hour and then
I'll send it to the the editors, the big powers,
and they will make it look pretty.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
What did you make of the abdual Carter surgery? Why
not just have surgery today? To me get it. I
don't think this is a strong enough draft to hurt him.
I think he's going to be the number two pick,
number three. He'll be a top three pick regardless. I
don't think it matters if you're the number one pick.
The top three picks make some pretty good money.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
If the Giants get their quarterback here, whether it's Stafford Rogers, whoever,
then yeah, they'll take ab dual Carter at three.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And the draft starts with the Patriots at four.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Do they go I don't want to go too long here,
but the Patriots are setting up for a pinasual VERSU
Jamar Chase decision. Let me let if you go offensive
line or do you go Travis Hunter? And who's this
with the Patriots at four? Because they need an offensive
line they have.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I mean, I would say this New England for the
last three years feels like they've been the slowest team
in the league. So to me, if you bring in
Travis Hunter and I'm Mike Rabel, I'm sorry, I'm like, dude,
I need you at receiver because I actually think the
Patriots corners are pretty good. I say, listen, you're gonna
make more money at receiver, Travis. I want you wide
receiver if you want to be at nickel packages, but
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I want you to get I want you to eat
because the New England just is not dynamic enough. They
don't have enough speed, and so I think Travis Hunter
works for them.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, no, I Travis Hunter four?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Mock draft season, baby.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I'll tell you you know. Let me let me ask
you this question. It's a combine question. I think this
is a draft of mostly B quarterback talent. But if
B quarterbacks drop and end up with A franchises, isn't
that better than a quarterback prospects ending up on C franchises.
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So if you look at Shador Sanders, I don't think
he would drop, But if he dropped to the Jets, well, hell,
that's a good roster. So my take is this year
you're gonna have Kyle McCord at Syracuse, Jackson Dart, Riley Leonard. Okay,
if they were more talented, they would be draft higher
to bad franchises. I would not be shocked if if
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Kyle McCord goes to the second round to like a
really good football team, well, just like a really good
roster with stability. So it's an interesting year where the quarterback.
I think cam Ward absolutely has some a traits. I
think he's got a big time arm and he's really mobile.
He's a little too ad libby for me, but there's
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no question you will watch cam Ward at multiple times
next season and go, wow, he has got Travis Hunter. Wow.
I don't know if it wears well, I don't know
if he can sit in the pocket, but he's got
a traits. Shador doesn't. Chadour is a B guy across
the board, really accurate, but there's not a lot of
wow to his game. He's super accurate, and he's had
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to carry Colorado with no run game in a battle line.
That's my favorite part of him. But in a this
almost happens all the time. Like in the NBA. It's different.
In the NBA. You can go, this is a bad draft.
Remember the Victor Oladipot draft. There, and you can look
at basketball because I think you can see basketball talent
when it's fifteen years old. I mean, if you got
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forty two inch hops and you've got the shoulders and
the game. I've always told the story I walked into
a jim in Hartford, Connecticut, and my daughter was playing
basketball and there were seven gyms. There were seven gyms.
I sat down. There was a bunch of coaches there
and I sat and it was like seventh, eighth, ninth
grade girls. I sat down with a coach and in
thirty seconds, I go, who's that girl in the far
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court with the handles. He's like the best player. I mean,
there was the seventy five girls playing and then your
eyes went, oh, who's the girl breaking ankles over there?
And He's like, yeah, she's in eighth grade, she'll be
she'll you connill be looking at her. You can go
to a football camp. Football players develop more slowly because
it's so much about power and physicality. A lot of
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times you have a three hundred and forty pound kid
and he's got good feet. But I talk to a
lot of like recruiting coaches, a lot of times are
like these high school kids that come to college, even Alabama,
they're not strong enough. They're just not strong enough. That's
not an issue in the NBA. Kobe Bryant at seventeen
years old could play with NBA guys. Tracy McGrady, Lebron
at sixteen, they could play with NBA guys, right, So
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there's a difference. I mean all NBA guys, even the
big guys. Michael Jordan, if you put him next to
Barry Bonds, Michael looked like a straw he was so skinny.
So there's a physicality to football. So a lot of
guys in football, it's really hard. If the NFL was
like college and you got one year of playing, eighty
percent of the first round would be busts. You need
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to let football players grow and develop I mean, let's
be honest about football. Offensive players have to memorize essentially
a playbook the size of LA's phone book. So there's
an intellectual thing to it. Can you learn quickly? And
a general manager told me this years ago, he said,
and I thought it was a great line. He's it
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was he had talked to ray Lewis years ago and
he said, you know, ray Lewis made a point to
this GM, and it's like, there is something when you've
been a great high school player, if you go to
a good college, you dominated high school, you ran over kids,
and then you go to college and your challenge. But
if you're really great, you still run over guys. In
the NFL, outside of Derrick Henry or Adrian Peterson, nobody's
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running over anybody, And so much of it all is
is it here? Do you want to get into a
car wreck? Sixty two times every Sunday at the line
of scrimmage. I mean, ray Lewis knew. Ray Lewis used
to do this thing on Saturday night. He talks about this.
He would light the canyons candles. It was a religious experience.
(35:57):
Like ray Lewis looked at it like I'm going into battle.
I am going into the octagon for three and a
half hours. So so much of ray Lewis's greatness. He
wasn't the biggest linebacker, he wasn't the fastest linebacker, he
wasn't the best linebacker in space. Ray Lewis was the
nastiest linebacker. Like he had the late Junior Saou Like.
You just didn't want to get tackled by Junior Saout.
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You didn't want to get tackled by Ierlacker. So football
is a different dynamic. And so when you need four
years of film to figure out who can play, and
even with that, first rounds thirty percent busts. So I
think when you have all these b quarterbacks in this draft,
they're gonna go to a franchises. I think Kyle McCord
at Syracuse, nobody's talking about him. If he goes in
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the second round, like and he goes by the way,
I'm trying to think of a team where you get
an older quarterback, he drops to a well run franchise
and you sort of look up in three years and go, Jesus,
Kyle McCord's really good. Well that's what happens when you
have quote good parenting. You know three all that's by
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green Bay, Jordan Love. I mean half the gms I
knew didn't like Jordan Love. They're like, this is there
was the marijuana thing. He was to lose interceptions, he
regressed his last year. You look up now and you're like,
he's a star. Why eighty percent of that's green Bay.
Eighty percent of that is green Bay. All right, we
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Fox College Oops Friday tips off at eight Eastern with
a big ten showdown as twentieth rank Perdue looks to
stick their claim for the conference ground against UCLA.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
By the way, give the audience a heads up. Who's
your final four right now?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Oh geez? After a rough night in college Oops, well.
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Ukon struggled, Produce struggled a little bit.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Duke scuper Flag. You have to put them in there
for sure. I like Houston a little bit. Ye, they're
looking pretty sharp. Auburn is incredible, and I'll go Alabama
as well.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I think the SEC is the best I've never seen
a conference with that many good teams, it's like nine
deep ten deep at the SEC. It's incredible. So yesterday
we talked about this briefly. The NFLPA, the National Football
League Player Association, hands out grades for their teams. It's anonymous,
(39:15):
so they vote on coach, owner, food, travel, weight room,
and treatment of family. So it doesn't mean anything to me.
I don't really care that much. The largest decline of
any team in the league that went down year to
year the most the Philadelphia Eagles, by the way. Number
one is Miami and they haven't won a playoff game
in twenty five years. The Raiders are near the top,
(39:36):
the Chiefs are at near the bottom. So I can
remember when USC. The last time USC football was a
national power Pete Carroll, they had horrible facilities. I mean,
i'd prisons had better weight rooms. Now they have beautiful
facilities and they can't beat Maryland and Minnesota. What does
it matter? So when I hear about you know, food
(39:57):
and elite travel, and apparently Patriot players were upset they
don't get good Wi Fi on the plane. Sorry, you
can't watch Netflix tackle better. The one place the Chiefs
got a n A plus head coach and I've said
this to friends. I love that I get free coffee
at Fox. I get Cafe Americanos. I have like four
(40:19):
a day, and they got gummy bears everywhere. The best
part about Fox management lets me say whatever I want
to say and leaves me alone. It's all about coaching.
I don't care about your plane player empowerment, treatment of family.
It would be great if you offered daycare for all
the kids all the time. It would be great. But
I've always had this feeling. I covered Mike Tyson in
(40:42):
his prime, and I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas,
and he his favorite gym to work out at was
the darkest, dingiest, smallest gym in Las Vegas. It was
called Johnny Toco's Ringside Jim Rest in peace to a
beautiful older boxing guy. Johnny was a wonderful human being.
I would hang out in his gym. I watched so
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many fighters in that gym. Tyson loved it. And you
know why Mike Tyson loved it because he was going
to work. He was going to work. And when he
walked into the ring black trunks and a torn up hoodie,
he was going to work. If you're sitting worried about
Wi Fi and having the shiniest locker rooms. You don't
care about what matters. Now in college football, it's a
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little different because the players choose you, So I do
think it matters. At Ohio State and Texas and Oregon
have beautiful facilities. It matters some, But in the end,
it's all about coaching and GMing and the fact that
Philadelphia had a major decline and the Raiders are near
the top. And I've heard this, by the way, I
know the GM formerly in Vegas, and he said the
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facilities are amazing. I wish the owner was that good.
I wish they get the better coaches. So I don't
take a lot of stock in this stuff. I think
in college foot ball facilities matter. But the one category
that I think was promising is that twenty coaches received
a's and so I think Albert Breer talked about this yesterday,
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is that players like their coaches and that matters.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
One thing that's definitely notable is it has gotten better,
Like it seems like what they're doing is working. You know,
they showed us a whole bunch of different statistics and
metrics that show that there are far fewer failing grades
for teams that players are handing out, And I think
a big part of that is that a lot of
these guys were embarrassed by some of the stuff that
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was out there on their teams, and so I do
think to some degree some of that stuff's been fixed.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Now Cincinnati and I don't even know how this is possible,
got an F on food.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I have noted many times cheapest organization in the league.
I do not know how you get an F on food.
Are you giving these guys hull hos and ding dongs
for breakfast? Like, how do you get an F on food?
I mean you can't. What are you serving Joe Burrow
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Here we go, loaded, ready to roll live in Los Angeles,
Hits The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be watching or listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. Jmac, I've got an interesting lead today. There
are things that I talked about this all week long
(00:47):
outside of the NFL, All Sports or second and that
you know, the Dodgers get Show Heyo Tony, and it
literally helped the entire league. Revenue sharing Fox ratings were up.
Show Heyo Tani just drive I five Angels to Dodgers
helped the league. NFL doesn't matter who ends up. But
there's been a lot of talk about the NBA and
they need a face of the league. And I'm gonna
(01:09):
tell you something right now. The only thing more overrated
than face of the league is people that buy gigantic
houses and they spend their next seven years yelling at
their kids upstairs in the twenty seven thousand square foot house.
Whenever I see these rich people buy these huge houses,
I'm like, you can't possibly have kids, you screaming constantly
(01:31):
to find them. Smaller the house, the more the love
in the house. You're around each other, right, And I've
always had this feeling about face of the league. The
NBA's had three all time. No, no, you think they've
had eight ten. Wilt wasn't the face of the league.
He was flaky and weird. Kareem was the best player
(01:52):
for over a decade. Stoic. I mean you watched you
watch the HBO series on Kareem That was very accurate.
He was difficult to get along with, and Magic Johnson
gets along with everybody the league has had. There's a
story this morning. Jason Tatum gets glossed over or ignored
when observers consider face of the league. Hell, he wasn't
(02:13):
face of the Celtics in the finals. Jalen Brown was
Marcus Smart two years earlier was taking the ball from him.
There's something about movie stars. Tom Cruise is a movie star.
John Malkovic is a great actor, Denzel Washington. That's a
movie star. Jeremy Irons. You could argue maybe a better actor.
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Some would say maybe not, but there's a cool and
a charisma. Tatum's excellent. He's not in the same zip
code as cool Zion had a chance to be face
of the league, but he ate himself out of playing time.
John Morant maybe had a chance. He wasn't mature enough.
There's been three faces of the league. And I've been
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watching this league since I was on a bunk bed
in nineteen seventy two watching Wilton the Lakers, Old Wilt
with a headband, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich. Yes, yes, that's
why I got this gray hair. I've watched a lot
of NBA in the seventies. The rest of you collected
baseball cards. I collected NBA cards. Three faces of the League, Magic, Michael,
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and Lebron and that is it. Well, what about Kobe Bryant.
He wasn't as popular as Shaq. People worship Kobe's talent,
people liked Shaq. What about Steph Curry? He's close, but
you can have one face of the league and in
his prime. Lebron was in his prime and Steph's never
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really sold shoes. And by the way, you generally have
to be the best player on your own team. For
several years with KD, he wasn't. And I'm a huge
Steph fan. So there's a couple of factors that are
really important. First of all, and this is why Steph
is close, you have to have an other worldly talent.
We've never seen anything like Magicjhnson, the smile, the passes.
He was a six to nine point guard. Against the
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Sixers in the finals, he played center and scored forty
two points. Michael Jordan greatest player ever. I mean, nobody
played like Michael. You never seen anything like Michael. And
Lebron James again walked into the league. The first night
of the NBA out of high school. He scored twenty points.
He was scoring forty later that year. So you have
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to have other worldly talent. You also have to want it. Michael,
Magic and Lebron are outstanding business guys. They read the
business page before they read the sports page. And number three,
it really helps if we're introduced to you early. We're
watching Michael Jordan as a freshman at North Carolina. Who
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is this kid? We're watching Magic Johnson, Winn a Natty
over Larry Bird National Championship, jud Heathcote, the Spartans, who's
this kid? All all the crazy passes, and Lebron James
in high school the chosen one. This is where this
is where like Tim Duncan was good enough, but boring
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Kareem was great enough, but stoic Kobe, little moody, little
difficult Shack was more liked. But it really helps if
we're introduced to you early. And that's where it hurts
the international guys, none of it. I mean, I'm not
sitting watching Lithuanian basketball on YouTube. Maybe you are, most
people are not. And that's why Zion had a chance.
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His YouTube stuff blew up in his crazy dunks and
then he goes to Duke and then there's the shoe
deal where it explodes and it's Nike and you're like, okay,
here it goes. And he got a taste of that
jumbal eye and that New Orleans food which I had
for a week, and you know, he went little sideways,
a lot of sideways. So international guys sort of get
(05:49):
dropped onto bad teams and then you look up three
years later with Jannis and go, whoo, that guy's amazing.
We like the journey in America. We love the journey.
We want to be introduced to you the movie Air
with Michael Jordan. We want to see a struggle. I
mean Magic Johnson, the personal stuff HIV. We've seen Magic's journey.
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We love Magic. If you're at a Laker game, and
this is the craziest thing, Magic's everywhere in Los Angeles.
If you're at a Laker game and Magic Johnson walks
into the arena, I am not joking, the crowd stands.
It's insane. It's like he's all over town. You see
see him driving around town. Kareem walks into the arena
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arguably a greater player. Nobody gets up. He's an intellect.
He's fascinating. I have tons of respect for him. He
was the best player when I was a kid. Better
than Wilt for sure, greater offensive player than Russell, who
I didn't see play live. But there is a charisma
and a star power Jalen Brown, isn't it. Nobody's overlooking
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Jalen Brown. The only guy that's got an argument to me,
a real argument, is Steph Curry. But there's one face
of the and in his prime Lebron was in his
prime and so and I don't think. I don't think
sports need to have a face of the league. I mean,
Oh Tawani is the face of baseball with Aaron Judge.
Both appear to be great guys. One in New York,
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one in LA. Do you have to have one? I
mean to me, in baseball, it's more about what teams
are winning. If the Yankees are winning, if the Dodgers
are winning, Atlanta Cubs viable, Maybe the Mets baseball's fine.
Philly's help as well, and that's why they're good. But
this talk about face of the league, there's been three
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in my lifetime. It's not just about productivity. Or Jeremy
Irons would be the face of Hollywood. Denzel's been that,
Tom Hanks has been that, Tom Cruise has been that.
There's there's a there's a there's a formula for all
this stuff. And that's why it's so damn hard. Some
of the guys don't want it. I'm not sure Wemby
wants it. I think Aunt, by the way, if Aunt
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played in Los Angeles, I think you'd have a shot.
If Wemby was in New York International, maybe a shot
but there's a lot of components to this stuff. And
I don't think Jason Tatum and this is not disrespectful
to his game. But when I watched the finals, I
mean they ship Marcus Smart out of town a defensive
guard because he was taking a ball out of Jason
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Tatum's hands. Nobody took it out of Lebron's hands, including
Kyrie Irving and d Wade. Nobody took the ball out
of Michael's hands, and Kareem, you run the show. There
is an alpha, there is a formula. Jason Tatum's a
great player, but he's closer to Duncan in personality than Magic.
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Just think about this. Close your eyes unless you're driving
and listening on radio. Let's close our eyes. Close our eyes.
Think about Magic Johnson. You can see the smile. Think
about Michael. You can see that cocky grin. Think about Lebron.
You can see the imagery, pregame chock. You can close
(09:02):
your eyes and there's images with stars. Close your eyes
now and do it with Tatum. I don't see anything.
Twenty six a night, I don't see anything. Close your
eyes and do it with Duncan you see a rebound?
I'm not being harsh. Here, I can close my eyes
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and I see Magic Johnson's smile and laugh. I see
Michael Jordan in the documentary. He sees his intensity, his
brooding intensity, but his likability. Lebron James say what you want.
I close my eyes. I can see his game, running
down the floor blocking things. There's a formula to this stuff.
I don't think the NBA needs it, but we've had
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three all time. That's it. Okay, I got one other
thing I want to touch on, and I may have
been rambling there, but you know I feel strongly about that.
So I've said this before. I'm divorced. Wh get a divorce,
you gotta be a grown up. Okay, guys, if you're
going to get a divorce, you have to realize she
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may date somebody that's better looking than you and much
more successful than you. Are you comfortable with that? Grass
is always greener? Are you comfortable with that? So when
the Dallas Mavericks made that trade, what we're finding out
they're now bad mouthing. The X stories are now leaking
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on LUCA. Here's one of the stories that is leaking
on LUCA. Athletic had a story. According to Sam Ammick.
The people who witnessed Luca's last days in Dallas call
him lazy. They talk about the weight issues, They mentioned
the social habits. The athletic has reported on such a
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taste for beer and hookah. That ain't the only thing
they smoking in the NBA. I'm just saying, And if
you've been to New York, go to a hookah bar.
It's a good time, folks. Michael Jordan's smoked cigars, drank wine,
played thirty six holes on days of playoff games. He's
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the goat shack. Came into the season out of shape.
I mean, right now, pot is wine in the NBA.
It's fine. The bottom line is they weren't ready for
this divorce. They thought this divorce was all about Anthony
Davis and getting the lazy guy out. They had no
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idea how much it would tick off Dallas fans and
now they're reeling. I saw a story this morning, and
by the way, all those bad work habits got Luca
five time first team All Pro. Okay, I didn't hurt
him that much. Didn't hurt Michael that much. He was
playing late night game, smoking his seventeenth cigar and four leaking.
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Stuff makes them look bad. The Mavericks ticket prices have
fallen forty percent, and you know what, Luca is now
dating somebody that's more successful, got a lot of trophies,
Crypto Arena, bigger brand, and they didn't think about it.
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They just didn't think about that. This was all about
getting him out. They had no idea how big the
Lakers brand is. They had no idea that it would
create this incredible Lebron James joy and energy, and they're
not here for it. So they're just leaking stuff to
make him look bad. First of all, none of this
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stuff is a surprise. There's a piece of video years
ago Luca after winning or getting to a championship level,
somebody takes a beer out of his hand. The other
thing is kids drink earlier in Europe. Kids are drinking
wine with their parents when they're fifteen years old. In Europe,
go there, more people smoke. It's just a different lifestyle.
It's a very relaxed lifestyle. Long lunches, a lot of SIGs,
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a lot of wine for kids, little chill afternoon siestas.
So this this is a team that that thought they
were ready for the divorce and Luke upgraded and by
the way, in the same conference, just moved down the street,
drives by the house all the time, and you don't
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like what it feels like. All right, A lot of
stuff today. J Mack got some NFL combine stuff. Do
you see the report cards out I did. Some of
the stuff's actually funny. Do you see the Bengals got
an F on food? They how do you get an
F on food?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
They don't give their guys three meals a day.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I mean some of the stuff out there is back
by the way, you mentioned a hookah lounge.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Earlier, met my wife at a hookah lounge in New
York City.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Now it starts at a hookah lounge and then late
night it gets into like a vibey lounge type spot
where yeah, they moved the hookahs to the side.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But whoka lounges are great.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Have you done that? I've done that. I took and
to a hookah lounge in New York and we had it.
We did a lot of hookah and Luca. Whoka is
it a verb? Is it that we we just had
a very good time?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Who could? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I still can't get into that text or it's just
text there is nothing beyond text. Is that plural? I
don't know, but you go to a hookah bar and
I just laugh at this because it's like we've all
understood in the NBA KD docs about this. It's it's
pot is wine. Nobody cares. No. The bottom line is
do you have game or do you not have game?
By the way, again, this would be a bigger deal.
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That's why Lucas not gonna be the face of the league.
Like Michael Jordan wouldn't even talk about politics. Lucas unbelievably productive,
but he wants his beer, he wants his hookah. He's
not gonna be in great shape. I've always said he's
closer to Carmelo than he is to Michael Jordan. And
by the way, Carmelo is a Hall of Famer. But
there's certain guys that just aren't gonna be the face
of the league. And they don't they don't want to
be the face of the league. Yokich, the minute he
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won a title, they asked him about the parade, and
he was like, I gotta go to a parade. I
just want to go home and play with my horses.
Like some guys don't want to be faces of the League.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I do have to ask.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I got a text during your rant about Face of
the League. You had Magic, but no Larry Bird don't.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, great example.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
No should they believe together as a past field. No?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So because Larry Bird grumpy, had no interest in it,
didn't have the look or the charisma. Larry Bird is
much more. John Malkovic absolutely respected by everybody in Hollywood,
almost worship John Malcovic walks into a room of actors.
Everybody's like, there's the best actor. Denzel walks in and
everybody goes, damn, that's a movie star. I told you
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the other day there's one person in Hollywood. Maybe Denzel too,
but the one person in Hollywood. If they walked into
this room, I would be nervous. It's not Jeremy Irons,
It's Tom Cruise. And so Larry Bird was this French
lick grumpy. Uh didn't? I mean really? I mean, go
look at the movies done about like Magic and Bert.
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He was grumpy. He hated the media. Magic is in
Beverly Hills with Jerry Buss and the convertible sports car
having the time of his life. And Magic, I mean
the name Magic. So Larry, Like Terry was very French
Lake Indiana, and I love Larry, But I mean, ask yourself.
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I've said this before. Los Angeles is a global city.
Boston's and domestic city. Boston is, Uh, it's you know,
the town departed. Like every third guy's a mobster. Like
I mean, everybody I know, everybody I know from Boston
has a chip on their shoulder. It's sort of insular.
It's incredibly insular. It's one of the only cities in
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the country that does not watch any sports outside of
their market. They did test when I used to work
at the other plates, I saw a test on this.
Boston watches Boston sports. Now. New York will watch the
Rose Bowl. New York will watch the World Series. If
they're not in it, they'll walk. I mean, New York
is a They'll watch anything, La will watch stuff, Seattle, Denver,
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Boston watches Boston. Boston people vacation in Massachusetts, they go
to the Cape. New Yorkers go down to Florida. New
Yorkers will go west. New Yorkers will go to Europe.
Boston guy goes to the Cape.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's a take right there. You just came up with
that on the fly, didn't you.
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Speaker 1 (17:49):
All right, you're now entering the no Bull Zone, brought
to you by credible, great rates, with none of the bull.
So NFL Combine's going on. It's actual known as a
week when a lot of executives go and deals get made.
And you know, it's not just guys in shorts running
forties and cone drills. It's a lot of executives go
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there late nights, cocktails, cigars and figure out deals. So
I saw a story this morning the Giants met with
Matthew Stafford's agent in Indianapolis. So there's two scenarios where
I will defend Matt Stafford if he stays with the Rams. Obviously,
great coach, great org, very good roster, franchise momentum, mcveigh's
had one losing season. They were driving to beat the
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Eagles in a snowstorm. If he stays and takes a
little less and I'm not going to get into players'
money too much, but I would defend him. I would
also defend him on going to the Raiders because I
think Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly are a really, really
good combination as a staff. They don't have any momentum,
but there's no state tax. They've got a good left tackle. Actually,
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I like some of their young offensive linemen at center
and right tackle. They got Max Crosby, and they have
a weapon in Brock Bowers that you cannot cover. You
can literally, he is the greatest tight end prospect now
in the league. Last year as a rookie, they were
bad at quarterback and you still can't cover it. And
they're gonna go in the draft, and it's a great
running back draft, and the Raiders need a running back.
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So what they need the draft is going to provide.
I would excuse you, listen if the Rams offer him
two years and ninety million and the Raiders offer him
four years in one hundred and seventy million in no
state tax from California to get on the freeway west
East head East. I'm going to defend that. But if
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he goes to the New York Giants, it's a money grab.
I mean, that's like Robinson Cano going from the Yankees
to the Mariners. I lost respect. You're not about winning,
You're not about competing. It's just a money grab. In
a way, it would be like Katie to Brooklyn. Now,
Kadi to Brooklyn was not a money grab, but it
was kind of weird, right, Like he just wanted to
go where he wanted to go, and he didn't feel loved.
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Matt Stafford has loved everybody loves Matt Stafford. But there
are reality that you can get trapped very quickly in
this league on old quarterbacks Denver Cleveland, if somebody's been
banged up a few times and Matt Stafford's taking a
lot of hits. The Rams have leverage here, and their
leverage is we're one of the five best run franchises
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in the league, and the Giants are a bad organization.
Eight years, one playoff game, one playoff win. I think
it is they're just not a I mean, the head
coach and the GM and I think they both had
to say, let Saquon Barkley walk to arrival. That's probably
more Joe Shane than Brian Babel, but it's not a
good organization. So I will defend him if he gets
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four years and goes to the Raiders, because I think
Pete and Chip Kelly are gonna work and it's a
tough division, but can you imagine that division with Herbert
bow Knicks, Matt Stafford and Mahomes. Here's Albert Brer yesterday
on Vegas. The fit for Stafford.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I think it makes some sense for the Raiders in
that I think so much of what Tom Brady is
doing and trying to establish there is to add credibility
to the organization. Pete Carroll obviously is a very credible
head coaching hire John spy Tech is well respected across
the NFL coming in as his GM. You've got resources,
which is part of how you pay say six million
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dollars a year to go and get Chip Kelly and
adding Matthew Stafford a quarterback, I think would make some
sense from that standpoint in that you're gonna be able
to get competitive quicker.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, I'll defend him on that if I still think
he's gonna stay with the Rams. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
This is the headline.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
News, all right.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Let me start with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Colin. Before that Super Bowl victory, remember, there were a
lot of rumors about drama with AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
They had like a fractured relationship.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Brandon Graham had said something on a radio show in
December saying that their interactions had changed, and then there
was an apology. But it doesn't seem to matter because
Philly whooped the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and Brown
to address their relationship on a recent podcast.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I'll be seen up here lying to tell you that
if we never had any issues, like you know, uh,
we do. Two guys too appas who wants to be
the best in demand greatness from each other and everyone
around us.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So some reports are true, some reports aren't true.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
But me and him, good man, you know, we we
just want to be great, and like I said, we
push each other in and you know sometimes you know,
we bump heads, but you know that that's that's normal,
you know, and don't nobody sweat it.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, I'm about over chatty wide receivers calling out quarterbacks
like let's be honest about this team with Davonte Smith,
Dallas Garter, Saquon Barkley in that old line, you could
move off AJ Brown. He's very very good. No, I
love him. I also I love DK Metcalf. Seattle could
move off him.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I mean, why Seattle doesn't want anything with Metcalf? This
guy is instrumental to win him.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
He's very very good player. But I think I think
wide receiver is Buffalo proved it. I mean Kansas City
proved it.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Buffalo doesn't want anything.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Casey as Patrick Maholmes, like, you're willing to move off
AJ Brown right now?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I'm saying they have to move off players. Howie Roseman
has come out in the last forty eight hours and said,
it's gonna be interesting, It's gonna be a very just
be patient with us. They've got to move off a
couple of big pieces. Are you gonna pay a linebacker?
Are you gonna pay that linebacker big money?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
You can find a linebacker. You can't find an AJ Brown?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
No, but I can find eighty percent of AJ Brown.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I'm over built because DeVonta Smith is amazing against zones
and if you go man, nobody can guard a J Brown.
You saw Book McDuffie in the Super Bowl, Like he's
I don't want to say unguardable, but he's definitely a
top five receiver.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I'm not doubting that. But I will tell you is
December and January, deep threats do not have the impact
that they do early. This Philadelphia team. Soule is that
offensive line, that quarterback, and that running back. So if
Saquon Barkley, who's like all class, would never call out
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a quarterback ever under any circumstances. If he did, I'd
swallow hard and deal with it. I'm not this. If
I don't want to hear this stuff, I would call
him in right now and say you're not talking about
the quarterback publicly, or we're gonna move you, or we're
gonna move you to Jacksonville.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
But before you say that, I think you should go
to Mike Brabel and be like, hey, how was life
before and after AJ Brown and Tennessee?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
How'd that work out? Because apparently all the reports Brable was.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Craspy, but Tennessee didn't have anybody else. They've always been
a receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Like if I had Derrick Henry and Tannehill there their
number one seed in the AFC one one.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You're comparing that Tennessee team to this Philadelphia roster, I
would say A J. Brown, I'd say, first and last warning,
we don't talk about our quarterback publicly. We're not doing
that that. The soul of this team is that GM,
the on line, Saquon and Jam.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think a grown man who's wealthy and talented is
going to take that.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well, how is he gonna take being traded to Jacksonville?
I'm sorry, Philadelphia. The one thing that's gonna unravel this
thing is chatter.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Would that be like if you came to me and said,
J Mac no more, Austin Reeves love on this show.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You can't do it anymore. We're gonna shift you.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
If I had a better old line, I would I'd
ship you to the Bravo Network.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Oh damn.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Next story is at Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
They still haven't decided on the quarterback the college. There's
more leaks than the Iraqi Navy right now in Pittsburgh.
According to Steelers insider Mark Cabuli, the team wants Justin
Fields over Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Know what do you mean? The team is that?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Well, that's like everybody except the owner. Apparently Justin Fields
is the guy they want.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
But you can't put all your.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Eggs in your you can't put all the eggs in
your basket. And while they wait for him, they've got
to pretend like they're interested in everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Now Art Rooney.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Apparently the owner really likes Russell Wilson. There's some speculative
stuff about sponsors and Russell Wilson really plays well with
them and all that nonsense out there.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Apparently they cannot afford Matt Stafford. That's another report.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
So right now it's very chatty, and that's not normal
in Pittsburgh, is it?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Usually they're buttoned.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Up right now, it just feels who does Pittsburgh realize?
Is anybody in the media going to acknowledge this?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They're quickly becoming a have not. They really are their
offense in the last eight years, look at it. It's
an offensive league. They will again be the most money
spent on defense. They are tone deaf to the most
important side of the ball. I don't care about a
coach that's never been under five hundred that like what.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Like how about this? So the Steelers are in the plays.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
They've got a really high floor. The Steelers ceiling is
way lower. Last four or five playoff games, they've been
blown out.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Okay, so let's say you were born in twenty twelve, right,
and you're an NFL fan. Basically you're a fan of Steelers.
You're in the playoffs every year, you're you're tending. What
if you're a Jets fan? Twelve never stick.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
First of all, if you're if you're born in twenty twelve,
you're thirteen years old. You couldn't buy any of the
products or tickets anyone who cares?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know my point?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Like, the Steelers fans have something to cheer every year
we're in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
We're contending.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Meanwhile, you got other have nots, like the Jets, we're
not even in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I think you should be happy.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I think the Steelers have become a high floor, incredibly
low ceiling team. I don't even I don't. I mean,
if I actually.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Been wrong with that, Not everybody's gonna win the Super
Bowl every single year.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
When you've got trophies, like how many they got five trophies?
I think it is a problem. It was a problem
with the Dodgers until last year. You're looking around and going, okay,
you're great every year winning your division outside of that
shortened season, like it was it a strike season or
a shortened season, and when a World Series, it was
like the Dodgers are like, no, no, we're the Dodgers.
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We leave the league in revenue or second of the Yankees.
We sell at our stadium, we have great attendance, we
have huge payroll. You gotta win. You have to win
in baseball in October. The Yankees have had one bad
season in fifteen years and that was not acceptable. So
when you're ceiling, you're the Steelers, the Packers, the Yankees.
These are big brand Georgia football. Eight wins is not
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good enough in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's more about the quarterback than the brand.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Right since Mahomes, Allen and Jackson, they got that conference
on lock for the next decade.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Calling Steelers aren't There's no way they're.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Cracking this guy.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
They're not beating those guys.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I don't care what you do at quarter the Steelers.
They're a stale franchise.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
All right.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Final story is the Kansas City Chiefs fell short of
the three feet attempts and one of their biggest offseason
questions is Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Is he gonna come back?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Gm Brettfied spoke to the media this week and discuss
Kelsey's status.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
I'm not sure how coach answered that. How we left
at the end of the season is that he was
fired up. He has one more year under contract, and
I still think he has that fire and desire to play.
As far as I'm concerned that there is no deadline,
I think we left it as he'd be back and
we're excited to get him back and get him get
him going.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
A lot of people selling that stock in Kansas City.
I'm gonna say this, There'll be a playoff team match.
Go out to live there.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Uh so you demanded yesterday. I do a mock draft.
It's almost complete.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, when are you gonna get that done?
Speaker 8 (29:21):
I have the.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Chiefs going tight end, the Michigan tight end Lovelandage.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, good player.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
So Kelsey tutors him, shows him how to be a pro,
and then goes off into the sunset.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's not who they're gonna pick. They're gonna pick it off.
They're gonna pick an offensive tackle from Minnesota. I have him.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh yet, Wow, look at you, you're on your mocks
huh that guy, he's on my list here.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I was told, I was told, I was told, I
was told to let's sick. What's the day today? I
was told three months ago at a hookah Bar, I
was told that he was the most underrated offensive lineman
in the draft. The kid from Minnesota. He's very good.
J mckle.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
No, it's a so is a mock. When's the mock
draft come out?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Should be complete here in the next hour and then
I'll send it to the the editors, the big powers,
and they will make it look pretty.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
What did you make of the abdual Carter surgery? Why
not just have surgery today? To me get it. I
don't think this is a strong enough draft to hurt him.
I think he's going to be the number two pick,
number three. He'll be a top three pick regardless. I
don't think it matters if you're the number one pick.
The top three picks make some pretty good money.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
If the Giants get their quarterback here, whether it's Stafford Rogers, whoever,
then yeah, they'll take ab dual Carter at three.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And the draft starts with the Patriots at four.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Do they go I don't want to go too long here,
but the Patriots are setting up for a pinasual VERSU
Jamar Chase decision. Let me let if you go offensive
line or do you go Travis Hunter? And who's this
with the Patriots at four? Because they need an offensive
line they have.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I mean, I would say this New England for the
last three years feels like they've been the slowest team
in the league. So to me, if you bring in
Travis Hunter and I'm Mike Rabel, I'm sorry, I'm like, dude,
I need you at receiver because I actually think the
Patriots corners are pretty good. I say, listen, you're gonna
make more money at receiver, Travis. I want you wide
receiver if you want to be at nickel packages, but
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I want you to get I want you to eat
because the New England just is not dynamic enough. They
don't have enough speed, and so I think Travis Hunter
works for them.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, no, I Travis Hunter four?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Mock draft season, baby.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I'll tell you you know. Let me let me ask
you this question. It's a combine question. I think this
is a draft of mostly B quarterback talent. But if
B quarterbacks drop and end up with A franchises, isn't
that better than a quarterback prospects ending up on C franchises.
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So if you look at Shador Sanders, I don't think
he would drop, But if he dropped to the Jets, well, hell,
that's a good roster. So my take is this year
you're gonna have Kyle McCord at Syracuse, Jackson Dart, Riley Leonard. Okay,
if they were more talented, they would be draft higher
to bad franchises. I would not be shocked if if
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Kyle McCord goes to the second round to like a
really good football team, well, just like a really good
roster with stability. So it's an interesting year where the quarterback.
I think cam Ward absolutely has some a traits. I
think he's got a big time arm and he's really mobile.
He's a little too ad libby for me, but there's
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no question you will watch cam Ward at multiple times
next season and go, wow, he has got Travis Hunter. Wow.
I don't know if it wears well, I don't know
if he can sit in the pocket, but he's got
a traits. Shador doesn't. Chadour is a B guy across
the board, really accurate, but there's not a lot of
wow to his game. He's super accurate, and he's had
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to carry Colorado with no run game in a battle line.
That's my favorite part of him. But in a this
almost happens all the time. Like in the NBA. It's different.
In the NBA. You can go, this is a bad draft.
Remember the Victor Oladipot draft. There, and you can look
at basketball because I think you can see basketball talent
when it's fifteen years old. I mean, if you got
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forty two inch hops and you've got the shoulders and
the game. I've always told the story I walked into
a jim in Hartford, Connecticut, and my daughter was playing
basketball and there were seven gyms. There were seven gyms.
I sat down. There was a bunch of coaches there
and I sat and it was like seventh, eighth, ninth
grade girls. I sat down with a coach and in
thirty seconds, I go, who's that girl in the far
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court with the handles. He's like the best player. I mean,
there was the seventy five girls playing and then your
eyes went, oh, who's the girl breaking ankles over there?
And He's like, yeah, she's in eighth grade, she'll be
she'll you connill be looking at her. You can go
to a football camp. Football players develop more slowly because
it's so much about power and physicality. A lot of
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times you have a three hundred and forty pound kid
and he's got good feet. But I talk to a
lot of like recruiting coaches, a lot of times are
like these high school kids that come to college, even Alabama,
they're not strong enough. They're just not strong enough. That's
not an issue in the NBA. Kobe Bryant at seventeen
years old could play with NBA guys. Tracy McGrady, Lebron
at sixteen, they could play with NBA guys, right, So
(34:30):
there's a difference. I mean all NBA guys, even the
big guys. Michael Jordan, if you put him next to
Barry Bonds, Michael looked like a straw he was so skinny.
So there's a physicality to football. So a lot of
guys in football, it's really hard. If the NFL was
like college and you got one year of playing, eighty
percent of the first round would be busts. You need
(34:50):
to let football players grow and develop I mean, let's
be honest about football. Offensive players have to memorize essentially
a playbook the size of LA's phone book. So there's
an intellectual thing to it. Can you learn quickly? And
a general manager told me this years ago, he said,
and I thought it was a great line. He's it
(35:15):
was he had talked to ray Lewis years ago and
he said, you know, ray Lewis made a point to
this GM, and it's like, there is something when you've
been a great high school player, if you go to
a good college, you dominated high school, you ran over kids,
and then you go to college and your challenge. But
if you're really great, you still run over guys. In
the NFL, outside of Derrick Henry or Adrian Peterson, nobody's
(35:37):
running over anybody, And so much of it all is
is it here? Do you want to get into a
car wreck? Sixty two times every Sunday at the line
of scrimmage. I mean, ray Lewis knew. Ray Lewis used
to do this thing on Saturday night. He talks about this.
He would light the canyons candles. It was a religious experience.
(35:57):
Like ray Lewis looked at it like I'm going into battle.
I am going into the octagon for three and a
half hours. So so much of ray Lewis's greatness. He
wasn't the biggest linebacker, he wasn't the fastest linebacker, he
wasn't the best linebacker in space. Ray Lewis was the
nastiest linebacker. Like he had the late Junior Saou Like.
You just didn't want to get tackled by Junior Saout.
(36:20):
You didn't want to get tackled by Ierlacker. So football
is a different dynamic. And so when you need four
years of film to figure out who can play, and
even with that, first rounds thirty percent busts. So I
think when you have all these b quarterbacks in this draft,
they're gonna go to a franchises. I think Kyle McCord
at Syracuse, nobody's talking about him. If he goes in
(36:42):
the second round, like and he goes by the way,
I'm trying to think of a team where you get
an older quarterback, he drops to a well run franchise
and you sort of look up in three years and go, Jesus,
Kyle McCord's really good. Well that's what happens when you
have quote good parenting. You know three all that's by
(37:03):
green Bay, Jordan Love. I mean half the gms I
knew didn't like Jordan Love. They're like, this is there
was the marijuana thing. He was to lose interceptions, he
regressed his last year. You look up now and you're like,
he's a star. Why eighty percent of that's green Bay.
Eighty percent of that is green Bay. All right, we
take a break live in La It's to hert.
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Speaker 1 (38:22):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Fox College Oops Friday tips off at eight Eastern with
a big ten showdown as twentieth rank Perdue looks to
stick their claim for the conference ground against UCLA.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
By the way, give the audience a heads up. Who's
your final four right now?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Oh geez? After a rough night in college Oops, well.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Ukon struggled, Produce struggled a little bit.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Duke scuper Flag. You have to put them in there
for sure. I like Houston a little bit. Ye, they're
looking pretty sharp. Auburn is incredible, and I'll go Alabama
as well.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I think the SEC is the best I've never seen
a conference with that many good teams, it's like nine
deep ten deep at the SEC. It's incredible. So yesterday
we talked about this briefly. The NFLPA, the National Football
League Player Association, hands out grades for their teams. It's anonymous,
(39:15):
so they vote on coach, owner, food, travel, weight room,
and treatment of family. So it doesn't mean anything to me.
I don't really care that much. The largest decline of
any team in the league that went down year to
year the most the Philadelphia Eagles, by the way. Number
one is Miami and they haven't won a playoff game
in twenty five years. The Raiders are near the top,
(39:36):
the Chiefs are at near the bottom. So I can
remember when USC. The last time USC football was a
national power Pete Carroll, they had horrible facilities. I mean,
i'd prisons had better weight rooms. Now they have beautiful
facilities and they can't beat Maryland and Minnesota. What does
it matter? So when I hear about you know, food
(39:57):
and elite travel, and apparently Patriot players were upset they
don't get good Wi Fi on the plane. Sorry, you
can't watch Netflix tackle better. The one place the Chiefs
got a n A plus head coach and I've said
this to friends. I love that I get free coffee
at Fox. I get Cafe Americanos. I have like four
(40:19):
a day, and they got gummy bears everywhere. The best
part about Fox management lets me say whatever I want
to say and leaves me alone. It's all about coaching.
I don't care about your plane player empowerment, treatment of family.
It would be great if you offered daycare for all
the kids all the time. It would be great. But
I've always had this feeling. I covered Mike Tyson in
(40:42):
his prime, and I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas,
and he his favorite gym to work out at was
the darkest, dingiest, smallest gym in Las Vegas. It was
called Johnny Toco's Ringside Jim Rest in peace to a
beautiful older boxing guy. Johnny was a wonderful human being.
I would hang out in his gym. I watched so
(41:03):
many fighters in that gym. Tyson loved it. And you
know why Mike Tyson loved it because he was going
to work. He was going to work. And when he
walked into the ring black trunks and a torn up hoodie,
he was going to work. If you're sitting worried about
Wi Fi and having the shiniest locker rooms. You don't
care about what matters. Now in college football, it's a
(41:26):
little different because the players choose you, So I do
think it matters. At Ohio State and Texas and Oregon
have beautiful facilities. It matters some, But in the end,
it's all about coaching and GMing and the fact that
Philadelphia had a major decline and the Raiders are near
the top. And I've heard this, by the way, I
know the GM formerly in Vegas, and he said the
(41:49):
facilities are amazing. I wish the owner was that good.
I wish they get the better coaches. So I don't
take a lot of stock in this stuff. I think
in college foot ball facilities matter. But the one category
that I think was promising is that twenty coaches received
a's and so I think Albert Breer talked about this yesterday,
(42:10):
is that players like their coaches and that matters.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
One thing that's definitely notable is it has gotten better,
Like it seems like what they're doing is working. You know,
they showed us a whole bunch of different statistics and
metrics that show that there are far fewer failing grades
for teams that players are handing out, And I think
a big part of that is that a lot of
these guys were embarrassed by some of the stuff that
(42:34):
was out there on their teams, and so I do
think to some degree some of that stuff's been fixed.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Now Cincinnati and I don't even know how this is possible,
got an F on food.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I have noted many times cheapest organization in the league.
I do not know how you get an F on food.
Are you giving these guys hull hos and ding dongs
for breakfast? Like, how do you get an F on food?
I mean you can't. What are you serving Joe Burrow
for lunch that you would get an f TV Dinners again, guys,
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