February 27, 2025 • 43 mins
Brock Purdy isn't a great quarterback but is a great story and the Niners shouldn't break the bank to keep him
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two? Is it Thursday? Today?
Jmac's Thursday? You don't have so much fun on the show.
Is just there all the same day? I can't tell.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Anthony Edwards at the Lakers tonight?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
You going?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know Finch could get me tickets.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Work on you guys?
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Are you going? Then?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We have a men's league regulacy.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, okay, all right, watch out. I think this is
very Steve Starkeisan Longhorn football coach coming up in a
couple of minutes. So I think the story on John Lynch.
The Niners are negotiating with Rock Perdy. So I've said
this before, do not confuse great story with great player.
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So Rock Purdy being the last guy taken in a
draft and getting to a Super Bowl that's a Disney movie.
Don't hand him a great contract. Because he's a great story.
And last year Christian McCaffrey gets ding da Brandon Iyuk
is out. You know, Trent Williams has heard little ice
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on the road and his car was spinning out of control.
Suddenly he had twelve picks, fourth in the league. So
last year against playoff teams, one in six, one and six,
nine touchdowns, ten picks, eighteen point nine points a game.
So again, Dak Prescott was a great story. He got
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a great contract, and Dallas has been irrelevant since. I
like brock Purty. But again, the minute there was a
little ice on the road, can you drive in bad weather?
Can you drive on icy roads? Because that's what November, December,
January football is in the NFL. I would give him
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a contract. I think he's a good kid. I think
his superpower. Jmack talked about this yesterday. I think above
the shoulders, the kid is really quick. I think cognitively,
he's a really bright kid and he gets it really quick.
But listen, Andy Reid and Mahomes. Once they paid Patrick Mahomes.
Andy Reid and Mahomes have struggled the last two years
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to score points. Okay, that's what happens when you pay
the quarterback, you're gonna have to make big time decisions.
And I'll just throw this out there, the NFC West.
So who's your biggest rival? If you're the Niners, Jmack,
it's the Rams.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
The Rams defense is good bordering on excellent, young and
getting better. Seattle and Arizona with defensive coaches, both their
defenses moved up dramatically. Last year, Arizona was bottom of
the league. Now they're middle of the pack. So look,
my take is the NFC West has become a very
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good defensive division. And if the Rams are your rival,
and we know brock perty is not Stafford the talent,
good luck against that Rams defense because it is it
is gonna be the next Eagles defense. It is that
good they get. If they land a good corner in
the first or third round, they don't have a second
round pick. Watch out. They're about a corner away from
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being even better. So I'll just say last year was
a real year for brock Purty. Like he didn't have
all his weapons, he had some of them. Kittle was great,
Kittle was outstanding, Deebo Samuel was there. Shanahan's a brilliant
play designer play color. I'm not you have Yeah, you
had some weapons, but they were one and six against
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playoff teams. They eight against bad teams. They scored twenty
eight a game against non playoff teams. They scored, you know,
nineteen a game against playoff teams. And not only did
he have twelve picks, some of them rugly, like more
than a few were What are we doing here? Here's
John Lynch on the discussion on the contract. They're already talking.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
We have started negotiations. We're talking. I won't go into negotiations,
like always is our stance. Want brought to be our
quarterback as long as we're here and beyond, and we'll
leave it at that. I think the final thing, there's
no guarantees that we get something done, but my experience
has been when both sides are motivated, there's ample opportunity
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to do so.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I mean, there's three quarterbacks in this league that win
regardless of what's around them. Lamar, Josh, and Pat. It
just doesn't matter. Herbert's good, but he needs the right coach. Right,
Herbert's good needs the right coach. Joe Burrow's great needs
a better offensive line and a better defense there's three
guys in this league that you can pay a ton
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of money to and they're still gonna win seventy five
percenter their games. Lamar, Josh and Patrick. That's it. So
I'm just throwing it out there. I know old j
Matt give the bag to Everybody over here is just
throwing them around like their jolly ranchers, just throwing those
bills around, those c notes around. You gotta be careful
you even you would acknowledge once you pay the quarterback,
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you're gonna have to you can't keep all the players.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean, listen, you did some cherry picking with
the stats against playoff teams. Oh no, no, Christian McCaffrey, no,
Brandan Ayuki's missing half his team.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Like, yeah, he had a couple of bad games, but.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
You're dislike for party really, So it's not just when
it comes back to audience. This is real talk that
he was the dead last pick in the draft. If
rock Berty was like the last pick in the first round,
Coward would be given him chances, everybody would. People are
out on him because he was not an early pick.
He has proven more to you as a starter, has
he not?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I am not or that he's an elite lie.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's not an elite quarterback. I am not out on him.
I've never been out on Dak. I am out on
paying Dak sixty million a year. I'm not out on
Brock party. I don't think you should pay him early.
I'd let the contract run fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
How's fifty? Nope, forty five.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
We can talk about that, Rember your alternative.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But remember he says, no thanks, I'm gonna test the market.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, good luck, good luck for that, all right, good luck,
go ahead. I'm just saying this is not Saquon Barkley
going from the Giants to the Eagles. If he went
to Seattle with a defensive coach, He's not the same player.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Okay, who would you rather take if you were the Colts,
Brock Purty or Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
If I'm the Colts, Yeah, well you're gonna have to pay,
according to the agent here, more for Purty and Donald
A much better athlete with a better arm.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
What you think dartled is a better quarterback than right
now than Rock person.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
He's a much better athlete with a much better arm.
That's all I'm saying. I'm just talking about traits as
a quarterback. Steve Sarkeshan, we got him a couple of
times a year having them on the show. Fifth year
at Texas Football coach, and you know, we were talking
about this. The NFLPA yesterday came out with grades on
food facilities, how you treat the players, and what I
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saw was twenty coaches got a's. So in the relationship
that matters. Coaches and players like each other. In college football, though,
sark it's a little different. Facilities matter because the players
choose you. But I've always had this theory when USC.
When you were at USC, those facilities were not good.
And my take was that there was an edge, a
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chip to the Trojans that some of it was We're
not like Oregon. We don't have pretty facilities. Do you
ever worry about Listen, Texas Football has got a lot
of money. We want nice facilities. We don't want it
to be a country club. Do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Oh, you have to think about that.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
I think there's got to be an edge to what
you do, the way you operate, the way the way
you develop your culture, the way you practice, the way
you work out. Uh, and so you have to make
sure that there's levels of hard we like to say,
and that you can overcome hard uh. And that's whether
that's on the football field, that has said in the
weight room, things of that nature. Because if it is
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too nice, I hate to use the word you you
you can find a way to soft if it's too
nice and so uh And clearly, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Think our program has shown that over time.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
You know, we've developed a hardness and edge about us
and the way we the way we operate.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know, it is funny because I said that for years.
I remember when Oregon had Autson Stadium and then they
got a new stadium and Phil Knight gave them all
that money. In the following year, they couldn't tackle, And
I said, all of us at the crowd got quieter
because it was so expensive for tickets. I do believe
you have an edge when you say you and I
do believe that. I think you lost Ohios Dowlehouse. State
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was the best team in football last year and they
did whatever they just were. They blew Tennessee out in
Oregon out. I look at you, and you developed an edge.
And I always said I think USC and Texas are
glamour programs, notre Dames in bad weather in a small town.
Do you develop that edge? Is it a coach? Is
it a mindset? I mean, you have five star players everywhere?
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How do you do it?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
I think it's everywhere, you know, You know, Colin, I
was fortunate, you know, I was at SC obviously with
with Coach Carroll and the Heyday and we were recruiting
a bunch of great players at that time. And then
the level of consistency of which we operated, and I
think it started at the top with him, and then
it permeated through the staff, the organization, the players, the
training room, the equipment room, it was everybody. And then
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to have an opportunity to get with Coach Saban, you know,
in years I think sixteen and seventeen years whatever how
many years that he had been there that I was
there for a couple of them. He clearly had instituted
it in his own way too in recruiting the five
star players, four and five star players. But yet there
was a there was a toughness, a mindset, a culture
that had been developed throughout that organization, and I just
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felt like, man, we can create that here. But it
had to start for me, and it had to permeate,
like I said, through the staff and the players we recruited.
But it had to be the training room, the weight room, academics,
all parties involved had to been rowing the boat kind
of in the same direction. And now with our players,
the standard is a standard, and our older players who
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have been here understand that. But they also understand they
need these young players to be as successful as we
want to be, so they have to teach them the
way as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I really like that you canceled the spring game, and
it took a little courage because people are going to
push back, and you and about four other programs did it.
In my takeaway, I had a discussion with Jen Cohen,
who's the athletic director at USC, and I said, you're
pro football. I mean, I said, you just got to
come to terms with it. You need a general manager.
You're paying the players, your schedule. Now it's like the NFL.
You have to be three to four good teams in
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a row. It's really about attrition. Do you have the depth?
If you get banged up like Kansas City and lose
a left tackle, you're probably not gonna win a Super Bowl.
So for you when you're in a traditional program and
you say I'm going to cancel the spring game. My
takeaway was it was a little bit of a delicate conversation,
or did everybody at Texas go, guys, we can cling
on to this old stuff or come to terms with
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we're about seventy percent pro football now.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Well, I think you're right, you know, And I don't
know if we're ever going to get everybody right because
for some people that might have been one of the
highlights of their years coming to the spring game and
have an opportunity to see some of the new faces,
new players. But things have changed so much, you know.
I think about we just played a sixteen game schedule Cray,
and we started August thirty first. We finished January tenth,
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playing fourteen games the year before being in the CFP
semi Finals two years in a row. So thirty games
in a two year span. When you go back to
when spring games started, that's really three seasons. Remember, everyone
used to play ten games, and now things have evolved,
things have changed. I've got twenty one high school mid
years that are already in school that should be high
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school seniors that are now with us trying to develop
their craft, and so the timing has changed, the amount
of games we're playing has changed, the development of your
young players have changed. But to your point, the depth
has changed, and I'm gonna need all these guys to
be at their to hopefully be at their best in
December and January of next season, which is definitely an
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NFL type model. And when you lose a player to
you sure hope that that backup or the backups backup
can go in and give you quality reps to to
beat a Georgia or Ohio State or a Notre Dame
whoever that is that you're gonna have to play late
in those playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So I've said before, I think this about every three
or four years, we get a draft where we have
about four elite quarterbacks. There was the Burral Herbert drafts.
That's a little bit of an outlier. But we're getting
more and more good quarterbacks because the high school coaching
is better, the camps are better. You're just seeing more
high quality drafts. It used to be we said the
Lway Marino draft was like an outlier. You get that
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about every third year. Now I think this is the
year of B to B plus quarterback prospects. I think Shadouer,
I think quin Youwers, Riley Leonard, Kyle mccourr. I think
in a weird way because they're not cam Ward's ready
to play today. He's just the arm, the movement. He's different.
But in an interesting way, it may benefit Riley Leonard
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and Quinn Ewers. You may drop, you may go to
a better team. You don't have to play immediately. So
if I draft Quinn Eewers, give me the thing he
needs to work on, and give me the thing that
is pro ready right now.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, I'm gonna go the other way.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
I'm gonna start with the why it makes some pro
rid I think one plane in our market, you know, Austin.
I think we've got one point five million people in
the city of Austin. No pro sports, right with no NFL,
no NBA, no Major League Baseball. And so the microscope
you're under, the scrutiny, the media coverage, the national media coverage,
the brand, the having to have to be at your
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best under that, I think sets you up and gets
you ready for the NFL, where you're not so consumed
to what other people think, but rather I need to focus,
I need to prepare and need to take care of
my body. I need to be in the game plan.
I think those things are really helpful to go along
with all the physical attributes. There's not a throw that
that guy can make that he can't make. Excuse me,
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I think naturally all young players when they go from
college to the NFL, and I like it myself.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I think about I think about.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
The Tom Brady's of the world, Aaron Rodgers, these guys
that play for so long in the NFL. Why do
they play so long? They don't get hurt, right, and
they know where their issues are. They take care of
their body off the field, but they take care of
their body on the field. And I know the game
of football in the NFL is evolving, and I credit
a lot of those coaches, and I think that's why
they're quarterbacks getting drafted higher and higher now, because I
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think the NFL is adapting to some degree of what's
going on in college football. But to that point, I
think his ability to maintain his body, because it's not
going to be about him knowing what to do or
having the physical physical ability to do it, I think
ultimately is going to be putting himself in the best
physical condition to perform week in and week out.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So I think the NIL is rough, and I don't
like my coaches having to be gms, and gms are
now getting hired everywhere. In pro football, money isn't a
real thing because everybody is a pro. Everybody's getting paid.
In college football, you could have a quarterback making two
point seventy five million and a kicker, you know, getting
lunch money. Is how do you balance that? It's I
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think it's much tougher than people to balance that. Hey,
there's two guys that are going to make big money.
Do you talk about it, do you discuss it? Do
you pay?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't think I love paying high school players, but
if you want to get a five star left tackle,
you may have to pay a high school player and
not play a junior on your team who's an all
conference guy doesn't get that much. Is it hard and
murky for you coaches to dance around that payment thing?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Well, I'm sure it's difficult for everybody.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
I think we're I don't want to say we're in
a different position, but the reality of it is, you know,
I'm very upfront and honest with our guys and I
understand not everybody gets paid the same on our roster,
but what you get paid does not dictate how much
you play in an organization. You know, the players that
earn it on the field, the players that do the
things the right way on and off the field, that
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put the team in the best position to be successful,
are the ones that play for us. And so it's
not about how much you get paid through NIL. It's
ultimately about, you know, who gives us the best opportunity
to be successful as a team. And I make that
very clear with our players, and so I think they
understand that because when when we hit the grass, when
we go in the weight room and we're in the
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classroom learning and studying, you know, I think that's what
determines who plays. And now that may reshuffle the debt
going into the next season, but the reality of it
is NIL in our program does not dictate who plays.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, finally, you guys are opening your seat. I have
always said there's a handful of programs. USC would do this,
Texas does this, Michigan has done this, and and I
like the idea. Have you just opening up with a
big old dog, Ohio State, here we go.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I mean I'm glad you like it.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
So but here's the good news the playoffs. Steve allowed
Ohio State, as a twenty point favorite, to deliver their
worst performance in a decade. They were awful against Michigan,
and they still made the playoffs. So my take is,
I'll argue this is actually great for your program. You'll
be able to measure where you're at now. Again, it'd
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be nice maybe to play Miami of Ohio and have it.
You could, you know, you could work your way into
the season. When you look at that game, how do
you view it? How much important? How I mean, does
it change the way you practice going into it because
it's the Buckeyes.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yeah, I think you know, we've had some pretty good
experience with this, and I know they weren't all in
week one, you know obviously. You know we played Alabama
at a conference two years in a row when we
were here in year two and in year three. Uh,
and then last year we went to Michigan. You know,
they were defending national champs in week two, and then
this year we're going to Ohio State, the defending national
champions in week one. And so what I'm I love
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this opportunity and I know I was I was joking
with you earlier, but I love the opportunity. Think it's
great for our players in summer workouts and in training
camp to know who were getting ready to go play
and the task at hand. I think now to your
point with the expanded playoffs, as long as we don't
punish those teams, uh for going to play those games,
uh that it's it's great for college football. Man, it's
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opening weekend and it's Texas out Ohio State. It's a
rematch of the semi final game in last year's playoffs,
and uh, you know, it's great for the programs, great
for our program because that's what.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
The players we recruit. Those are the.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Games they want to play in. They want to be
in those big time games. Now, granted, we have other
games in our schedule that that hopefully we can play
a lot of players to develop our players along the way,
But this is a great opportunity for both programs. Somebody's
gonna win, somebody's gonna lose. But hopefully the team that
doesn't win that game doesn't get punished from the committee
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for playing in that game early in the season, because
I think that's the hardest part with the committee when
they're trying to decide who's worthy of being one of
those twelve teams, and it's always right. It's teams eight, nine, ten, eleven,
and twelve. And looking at strength to schedule, looking at
who you play rather than just staring at the record.
You know, who did you play? How did you play
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in those games? I think is as important as anything.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Finally, arch Manning, Texas Football, massive brand, back to back semifinals.
You'll be favored again. How do you avoid title or bust?
Because I'm telling you all the eyes are on you, guys.
With arch Manning two and oh last year scoring forty Steve,
there are a lot of people there. They're going to
come in hard and hot early. How do you simmer
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that down? Well?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I think that's why we're here, right. I mean, you know, Colin,
you know me well enough. Over the years, I didn't
I had plenty of opportunities to be a.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Head coach again, and when this job was presented to me,
I didn't take this job just to say I was
a head coach again. I came here because I believed
we could be champions, conference champions, national champions. And that's
that's the standard here. And that's what we're competing for.
It was no different than the last two seasons, whether
it was in the Big Twelve, the SEC, and obviously
the College Football Playoff. And I believe through all that
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we've recruited really good players, we've developed those players. We
have fourteen players at the NFL Combine this week. We
had eleven last year, which was a school record. Eleven
draft picks last season, and you know, like I said,
fourteen more and this year's NFL Combine. So the reality
of it is, this is why we're here, and we
embraced this opportunity. We're gonna look forward to it. We're
gonna go for it. We understand we're gonna get everybody's
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best shot. But again, that's okay, that's why our that's
why our players chose to come to Texas, That's why
the coaches that are coaching here chose to be at Texas.
Is to is to be on the stage and to
go compete for national titles.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yea a manning Texas Football meets Ohio State. Uh, that's
gonna be one for the ages. A lot to look
forward as somebody who watches and loves college football, Sarcuzoa's hook.
I'm good seeing you again.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Thanks man hook them right there you.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Go, Steve Starksen. You know, one of the things I
like about Arch Manning is that Arch Manning moves a
little bit better than Quiniers, a lot better. And he's
a Manning. It's American football royalty, not a pete. He's
just one of the quarterbacks. That was the most impressive
thing is that it speaks really well of the Manning family.
They could have come in here, hot, we want to play.
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You get a lot of that with quarterbacks in college football.
Dad played college football. Dad wants his son to play.
Dad's gonna transfer. He doesn't play. Arch Manning came in,
is the number one player in college football, not a peep,
head down, grinding, sitting behind Quinn Ewers who. I think
he's a better athlete than Quinn yours. I don't know
if he has the arm, but I think he's a
better athlete, not a peep. Very impressive to me. Live
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Speaker 6 (23:29):
Well, let's start with the Matt Stafford situation. With the
Rams still up in the air. His reps did give
him a chance to speak to other teams about a trade,
and that's why we're hearing a lot of scuttle. But however,
Sean McVay wants to make it clear he wants Stafford.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
With the Rams.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
There's no dispute, and let's not get it twisted in
regards to anybody wanting him to be our quarterback. Now,
there's layers to it, and as you try to put
together put together the puzzle for your football team, you
have to be able to say, how do we continuously build,
how do we support him, how do we make sure
that he's getting you know, what is his worth relative
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to those things?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, they want him. I don't think there's any question.
You know. The hard part is is that I'll go
back to this, go back to that Philadelphia Rams game.
They played him as well as anybody. They played him.
I'll come on now, that final drive they.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Were Are we paying people for what happened in the past.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
No, Well, no. But I mean, here's the thing. I
think the Rams are really close and you're not going
to be really super Bowl absolutely, Okay, I didn't see that.
I mean I have him in the NFC West Championship,
barely got into the playoffs. Oh boy. They If you remember,
in the first six weeks, their offensive line was in shamba.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
They had injuries. It took some time.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I mean not leus the injury. They had the dreaded
cluster injuries, which basically knocks you out of the playoffs.
I mean they had like cluster injuries at wide receiver
and in the offensive for six weeks and we're a
play from the NFC Championship.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Here, here's my big issue. Stafford is due to make
twenty seven million this season. Look at the numbers on
the screen without him. You remove Stafford, I think there's
a big mistake. Now I'm not mister let's say everybody
sixty mili. But let's not act like the billionaires can't
afford a little luxury tax bill.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And you know the Rams can afford him. And the
reason they can is they're not paying anybody on defense.
They're not paying well.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Why aren't they paying him well?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Again, that's like saying, well, why doesn't Blank company pay
the sportscast or anything he wants. They made seven hundred
million in the Super Bowl. There are layers to everything.
You don't want to get into a situation where you
don't get a good enough right tackle because you can
pay them a little bit more. I mean, these they're
called negotiations. It's it's it's in. The Rams have leverage here.
(25:54):
They're well run in MLI. Oh, of course they do.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The Rams.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
The team you just said it was a contender with
Stafford on the doorstep, they have leverage.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Okay, if Stafford walks out the door, calm, they're done.
They're not going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
If Aaron Rodgers walks in that door, they're a playoff team.
In fact, I will say Aaron Rodgers or Stafford, they
win the division. Both those quarterbacks. Rams win the division.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You're so bullish on Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I mean, with ten games with the Jets, irrelevant games
against bad teams.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, guess what, half the league's bad, so you're gonna
play plenty of those in LA.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
There's a report here added that the Rams are comfortable
with Jimmy Garoppolo if they move off.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Of Jimmy Garoppolo gets you close to the playoffs, I
don't know if he gets you in. Their defense is
so talented and so good and so young. Go look
at the Rams defense from week eight to week seventeen.
It literally was arguably the best defense in the league.
The left. Look at what they did that Jalen Hurts
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in the playoffs. He threw for sixty five yards. They
had no passing offense.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Let's do they bottled up your guy, Darnold?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
They that was easy money. By the way, the Rams
are lock city. All right, let's move on to the
next story.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Call on.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
The NFLPA recently released their annual team report card, serving
seventeen hundred players.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
And bad news for my Jets.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Woody Johnson was the only owner in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
To receive an f only one regarding great.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
The NFLPA said the player's site perceived top leadership issues,
some describing issues as top down problems and a culture
of fear.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Gotta love that one. Adding rather than.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Addressing concerns, players believe that management responded to feedback by
making conditions worse. Oh dear, last year, Woody and the
Jets got to be minus and now they fell to
an f. The NFLPA said the Jets cut their food
budget after receiving low grades in twenty twenty three and
didn't retain their longtime dietitian Colin.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
What did Woody Johnson's kids get? What did Brick get
for a grade?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
This is a team I.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Root for it.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, it's not that hard to treat people good. I'm
not saying you have to treat everybody great. It's not
that hard to treat people well. Arizona, what did their
owner get another allows he grade? Like, It's just it's
not that hard to get a B as an owner.
I don't need you to be an a owner. Again,
I don't need the world's best facilities. I think that
stuff's overrated. I want my teams to have an edge.
(28:25):
I don't need the glossy Miami. Miami apparently has great facilities.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Well wait, you know, I didn't want to jump all
over your Tyson thing.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
But Tyson, when he was training in these dingy gyms
was on the come up. He wasn't a heavyweight champion
in the world, right, he was on the rise. These
are pro athletes making millions. Your quarterbacks making fifty million dollars.
You can't be given.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Him prison food. That's just that's stupid. This is your investment,
you're paying the playoff.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
No, no, no, Diete. I would give my guys good food.
They don't need Filet mignon. I'll give you good food.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Do you want to give him top sirlod?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well done?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Who are you? I'm not a big believer. Players get
pampered as it is with their contracts to the agents.
Nobody wants to offend them. They get it. It's like,
we don't need another layer of you get anything you want.
If I have good facilities, if I have a good owner,
we treat them well. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Let's remember this isn't forty six weeks a year like
some or forty eight or whatever a real job is.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
This is seriously, July through December January. That's it. You
can't pony up.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
For six months to hook your guys up with a
great sauna and a hot tub.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Food. And you're making it sound like the Jets don't
have a sauna and hot tub.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
The Jets, well, we've heard stories about the Bengals, but
the Jets players should be going to work acting. Oh
my gosh, I'm just walking into the Rich or the
Hilton or whatever awesome hotel it is. That's where you
want your guys in the right mindset, getting pampered instead
of ready to go out and kill a name on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I want I think good is fine. You think
it has to be excellent. My takeaway is if you
treat them well and it's good quality, that's good enough.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yeah, you should go sit in a twenty three E
and Economy on your next do good seat.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
It's a good seat.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I wish I sat in a seat that nice.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Final story is Kevin Stefanski's on the hunt for a
new quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Now listen to this. This is a little strange.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Yesterday at the combine, Stefanski said the Browns will use
every avenue to find their franchise QB, but added he's
impressed with the class of quarterbacks, saying this is a
really good class from top all the way through.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
That's not what we're hearing from literally everyone else.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
We're hearing there's two good quarterbacks, Colin what What's is
Stefanski doing some misdirection here? Do they not want a
quarterback up top? They are hyping Travis Hunter. By the way,
I'm starting to have second thoughts on Cleveland nailing this pig.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Well, it should be a layup. Take cam wordor should
do her.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Sanders mel Kiper once told me, uh, don't believe he
at the combine or the week before the draft. You
just have to be careful about If you look at
all the prospects, I would say this, I think it's
a very good class in terms of depth. I think
there are eight guys that can play in the NFL,
like Will Howard is probably I'll give you an example.
(31:16):
Cam Ward's a first round talent. A Chadur Sanders, in
my opinion, is a late first round talent. I say
Jalen Milroe and Kyle McCord to me again, not where
they'll get drafted. I think they're I think their top
to mid second round talents. I think Riley Leonard, Jackson
Dart are third round, Quinn you Rs fourth, Will Howard fifth.
(31:40):
Now again, I think Jalen Milroe will get drafted first
round by somebody. But what do I think he is
the talent? I think he and Kyle McCord feel like
mid second talents, so.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Will Howard before that playoff run, maybe seventh round pick.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Maybe. No, I think he's a He has a good
couple of.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Playoff games and they annihilate everyone. And yeah, I like
we watched him all seasons. I didn't think he was amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well he he he. He's a big kid. He's a
big kid who moves well. Uh, he's an NFL athlete.
He looks like he's a big, strong kid, so we
should be an NFL athlete. I don't think he's an
NFL starter, but I think he's draftable in the fifth round.
I think Riley Leonard could develop into a starting quarterback.
I think Kyle McCord will develop into a starting quarterback.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Is this the same Riley Leonard they're doing for like
sixty seven yards again in a playoff game against I
don't want to whoever.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I have.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I have Riley Leonard as my fourth to fifth best quarterback.
I like his size, I like his athletic ability, like
I love his toughness. I think he's a tough kid
on that one drive. No, he's a tough, tough kid.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
What happened to the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, again, this was a run first, defensive led team.
This was not a aerial circus that's not what they were.
You get you get caught up into that hole throwing
around the yard. I don't think that's uh, you know
Notre Dame's formula for winning ball control uh turnover uh differential.
(33:10):
Indn't turn it over much and they took the ball away.
Very good Situationally, I just think he's a big, tough kid.
He's a little wonky throwing it. He's in but but
he in games I watched Notre Dame play when he
had to make big throws, he usually made him.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah, no, I like him.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
I know it sounds like I don't like him, but
he's a good player. I'm just starting to smell like
fifth six, round four.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
J mckle the news.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
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I don't know he's gonna play some of both. I
I think if I was him, i'd rather play receiver.
I think it's more fun uh than corner and having
a tackle. You know, here comes Dereck Henry around the corner.
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I'm not I don't think i'd love that, uh, Blackman
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Okay, this story just came down. There's been a lot
of talk about, you know, uh, Tom Brady, Matt Stafford,
Montana skiing, h tampering. Uh, it just got reported. There
is no issue. The Rams gave Matt Stafford and his
(35:43):
agent permission to speak to the Raiders. That's what the
NFL is saying. So the Rams said, go go talk
to Tom, deal with Tom. Uh and it's fine. I
will tell you is that I think the Raiders are
absolutely in play. I'm serious. The p I Trust are
telling me Raiders may be leading the Rams right now.
(36:04):
Remember they're willing to give him three years. Rams may
be stuck at two. Raiders had give him fifty million.
Rams may be stuck closer to forty five and do
not downplay this thirteen and a half percent tax in Kelly,
no state tax in Nevada, playing indoors, Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll,
(36:26):
brock Bowers. I think they've got their left tackling center
all wrapped up. They drafted a right tackle. I think
third round last year Maryland. He's better. I think he's
better than they thought. Got pressed into duty early because
of an injury and played well. So I think the
Raiders are absolutely in play here, absolutely in play. And
(36:47):
there's a dozen reasons. But Pete Carolyn, Chip Kelly big.
And the other thing is if you can get again,
it would be one thing. I wouldn't move for an
extra nine million. But if the Raiders are willing to
go to three and give him fifty in all three years,
one hundred and fifty million, and the Rams are like,
we'll give you two and forty five a year, you
(37:10):
got to take it. I mean to me that is
that is a different ballgame. Again. I'd stay there. If
it's eight million, nine eleven, that's not going to make
a difference. But what if the difference over the course
of three years is forty two million dollars? Don't you
have to take it? I mean again, you're not going
(37:32):
You're going to Pete Carroll, Chip, Kelly brock Bauers and
a good left tackle Colton Miller. They've got the pieces.
They need a running back and it's a very, very
rich running back draft. So to get Matt Stafford, they
could give picks up, you could give you could give
a first or a second pick up, and I think
the Rams would be very I mean, let's just say this,
(37:52):
the Raiders go, you get our first pick. Let's just
play the scenario out, because I think the Raiders, the
Raiders would have to give their first pick. Matt Stafford's
worth the first pick. I think I think the Rams
would the sixth pick trade down because I know the Rams.
(38:13):
I have been told Rams want to trade down in
the draft. They want to get some offensive depth. They're getting,
you know, a little old at tight end. They want
another running back, they want maybe two tackles, two receivers.
So they want to start hitting on their offensive pieces
like they have their defensive pieces last couple of years
in the draft. So they would love to trade down.
They'd love to trade that first round pick into the
(38:35):
second and have no first round pick and get an
extra third and maybe a fifth. So they're willing to
listen to anybody, and they like Stafford. But I'm here
to tell you the Rams have the twenty sixth pick
in the first round. That's no man's land. They'd rather
trade out of that and go to the second round.
But if you gave them a first in the top
six or seven, then they can trade that down. They
can get multiple picks that way, because they what they
(38:58):
need I don't think is available in this draft. I
don't think there's a dominant left tackle. I think Kelvin
Banks for Texas, Will Campbell LSU were good. I don't
think either as good as Joe Old, and I think
they would rather trade down to middle of the first
round if they could get another, if they could get
a second or a third round pick, they do it.
So they don't have a ton of needs. They need
(39:20):
an offensive tackle and they need a corner. That's all.
They really absolutely need, probably another inside linebacker, and absolutely
another receiver, a boundary receiver. So I'm just saying, Raiders,
if you're asking me today, it is a coin flip, Raiders,
Rams coin flip because Raiders will give an extra year,
(39:43):
and if that extra year is forty five million dollars.
How do you not take it? By the way, here
is Shanur Sanders yesterday walking around Indy with three different teams, Saints, Brown's,
Vikings hats. You know, he doesn't know where he's going
right now, grown men chasing him to get selfies. So
there is shaduor Sanders yesterday. Here was Albert Breer on
(40:05):
Chadure's challenge going into this draft.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
I think the issue is Chadoor and this is gonna
be a difficult thing for him to address over the
next six or seven months or six or seven weeks.
Is are you special in any one area? Do you
have a superpower trade or are you an average athlete
with an average arm in an NFL context? And I
think that that's the way a lot of teams look
(40:30):
at him. He's not a great athlete, he doesn't have
a big arm, So like, where is the superpower that's
going to make you want to take him in the
top five?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, I don't think he has that. But I think
he's really accurate, and he can initiate offense, and I
think he'll create stability. I've said this before. I think
J McK and I both believe Cam Wored is gonna
go number one, and there's just too many teams that
need quarterbacks, so I think Shador could possibly go two
or three. I don't think he's that good of a player.
I think he's more of a mid late first round guy.
(41:02):
But you know, quarterbacks get overdrafted. Who cares. I mean,
it's and this idea that he's not He's not a
bad athlete. He's just not cam Ward. But he moves
well enough. He moves better than GoF he moves better
than Stafford, he moves better now than Aaron Rodgers. He moves,
he moves fine. He's just you know, it's like c J. Stroud.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
C J.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Stroud moves good enough, but c J. Stroud was rather
sit in the pocket and throw darts. I like the fact.
I like the fact that Shador sanders. I mean the
knock on him beyond traits as he holds the ball
too long. But I don't know, man, if you are
accurate at throwing the ball and you've played behind a
bad old line in a bad run game and had
(41:42):
to kind of like carry a team, those are some
I think there's a little edge to him. It's very
easy if your dad's a superstar, enriched not have an edge.
I think Shador getting beat up at Colorado for two
years behind the bad old line and no run game,
I think he developed a little bit of an edge,
So I like him.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
Can I go back to Stafford for So what does
that do to the AFC West if he went to
the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Okay, we're already calling it like the coaching division. Right,
you got Harball, you got Reed, you got Sean Payton.
Speaker 6 (42:10):
Now you're going quarterbacks Herbert Mahomes, Stafford, and Bo Nick's.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Who's on the come up. That's got to be the
best division in football.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
I know it was the NFC North last year, but
if Stafford goes Raiders go, that's a ridiculously tough division.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Well three team We've seen more than watch three teams
can make it to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So another star quarterback going to the AFC.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Remember Joe Burrow missed the playoffs in the AFC this year,
and now you're adding Stafford to the AFC.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Oh my god, what a brutal stretch.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Now, if you're Jayden Daniels, you probably love that. If
you're the Eagles, you're like, oh, thank goodness, Stafford's going.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
If you're the Raiders, would you give up your first
round pick for him? That's tough, I'm telling you. If
what's fascinating about this.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
So they could be looking at Mason Graham at six
they got you love from Michigan.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Love him.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
He's gonna be there ten years in the middle clog
and run defenses, or Stafford for two years.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Raiders may lead in the clubhouse right now,
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Here we go. It's hour two? Is it Thursday? Today?
Jmac's Thursday? You don't have so much fun on the show.
Is just there all the same day? I can't tell.
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Anthony Edwards at the Lakers tonight?
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We have a men's league regulacy.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, okay, all right, watch out. I think this is
very Steve Starkeisan Longhorn football coach coming up in a
couple of minutes. So I think the story on John Lynch.
The Niners are negotiating with Rock Perdy. So I've said
this before, do not confuse great story with great player.
(01:13):
So Rock Purdy being the last guy taken in a
draft and getting to a Super Bowl that's a Disney movie.
Don't hand him a great contract. Because he's a great story.
And last year Christian McCaffrey gets ding da Brandon Iyuk
is out. You know, Trent Williams has heard little ice
(01:34):
on the road and his car was spinning out of control.
Suddenly he had twelve picks, fourth in the league. So
last year against playoff teams, one in six, one and six,
nine touchdowns, ten picks, eighteen point nine points a game.
So again, Dak Prescott was a great story. He got
(01:58):
a great contract, and Dallas has been irrelevant since. I
like brock Purty. But again, the minute there was a
little ice on the road, can you drive in bad weather?
Can you drive on icy roads? Because that's what November, December,
January football is in the NFL. I would give him
(02:19):
a contract. I think he's a good kid. I think
his superpower. Jmack talked about this yesterday. I think above
the shoulders, the kid is really quick. I think cognitively,
he's a really bright kid and he gets it really quick.
But listen, Andy Reid and Mahomes. Once they paid Patrick Mahomes.
Andy Reid and Mahomes have struggled the last two years
(02:41):
to score points. Okay, that's what happens when you pay
the quarterback, you're gonna have to make big time decisions.
And I'll just throw this out there, the NFC West.
So who's your biggest rival? If you're the Niners, Jmack,
it's the Rams.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
The Rams defense is good bordering on excellent, young and
getting better. Seattle and Arizona with defensive coaches, both their
defenses moved up dramatically. Last year, Arizona was bottom of
the league. Now they're middle of the pack. So look,
my take is the NFC West has become a very
(03:22):
good defensive division. And if the Rams are your rival,
and we know brock perty is not Stafford the talent,
good luck against that Rams defense because it is it
is gonna be the next Eagles defense. It is that
good they get. If they land a good corner in
the first or third round, they don't have a second
round pick. Watch out. They're about a corner away from
(03:42):
being even better. So I'll just say last year was
a real year for brock Purty. Like he didn't have
all his weapons, he had some of them. Kittle was great,
Kittle was outstanding, Deebo Samuel was there. Shanahan's a brilliant
play designer play color. I'm not you have Yeah, you
had some weapons, but they were one and six against
(04:03):
playoff teams. They eight against bad teams. They scored twenty
eight a game against non playoff teams. They scored, you know,
nineteen a game against playoff teams. And not only did
he have twelve picks, some of them rugly, like more
than a few were What are we doing here? Here's
John Lynch on the discussion on the contract. They're already talking.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
We have started negotiations. We're talking. I won't go into negotiations,
like always is our stance. Want brought to be our
quarterback as long as we're here and beyond, and we'll
leave it at that. I think the final thing, there's
no guarantees that we get something done, but my experience
has been when both sides are motivated, there's ample opportunity
(04:51):
to do so.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I mean, there's three quarterbacks in this league that win
regardless of what's around them. Lamar, Josh, and Pat. It
just doesn't matter. Herbert's good, but he needs the right coach. Right,
Herbert's good needs the right coach. Joe Burrow's great needs
a better offensive line and a better defense there's three
guys in this league that you can pay a ton
(05:13):
of money to and they're still gonna win seventy five
percenter their games. Lamar, Josh and Patrick. That's it. So
I'm just throwing it out there. I know old j
Matt give the bag to Everybody over here is just
throwing them around like their jolly ranchers, just throwing those
bills around, those c notes around. You gotta be careful
you even you would acknowledge once you pay the quarterback,
(05:34):
you're gonna have to you can't keep all the players.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean, listen, you did some cherry picking with
the stats against playoff teams. Oh no, no, Christian McCaffrey, no,
Brandan Ayuki's missing half his team.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Like, yeah, he had a couple of bad games, but.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
You're dislike for party really, So it's not just when
it comes back to audience. This is real talk that
he was the dead last pick in the draft. If
rock Berty was like the last pick in the first round,
Coward would be given him chances, everybody would. People are
out on him because he was not an early pick.
He has proven more to you as a starter, has
he not?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I am not or that he's an elite lie.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's not an elite quarterback. I am not out on him.
I've never been out on Dak. I am out on
paying Dak sixty million a year. I'm not out on
Brock party. I don't think you should pay him early.
I'd let the contract run fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
How's fifty? Nope, forty five.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
We can talk about that, Rember your alternative.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But remember he says, no thanks, I'm gonna test the market.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, good luck, good luck for that, all right, good luck,
go ahead. I'm just saying this is not Saquon Barkley
going from the Giants to the Eagles. If he went
to Seattle with a defensive coach, He's not the same player.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Okay, who would you rather take if you were the Colts,
Brock Purty or Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
If I'm the Colts, Yeah, well you're gonna have to pay,
according to the agent here, more for Purty and Donald
A much better athlete with a better arm.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
What you think dartled is a better quarterback than right
now than Rock person.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
He's a much better athlete with a much better arm.
That's all I'm saying. I'm just talking about traits as
a quarterback. Steve Sarkeshan, we got him a couple of
times a year having them on the show. Fifth year
at Texas Football coach, and you know, we were talking
about this. The NFLPA yesterday came out with grades on
food facilities, how you treat the players, and what I
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saw was twenty coaches got a's. So in the relationship
that matters. Coaches and players like each other. In college football, though,
sark it's a little different. Facilities matter because the players
choose you. But I've always had this theory when USC.
When you were at USC, those facilities were not good.
And my take was that there was an edge, a
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chip to the Trojans that some of it was We're
not like Oregon. We don't have pretty facilities. Do you
ever worry about Listen, Texas Football has got a lot
of money. We want nice facilities. We don't want it
to be a country club. Do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Oh, you have to think about that.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
I think there's got to be an edge to what
you do, the way you operate, the way the way
you develop your culture, the way you practice, the way
you work out. Uh, and so you have to make
sure that there's levels of hard we like to say,
and that you can overcome hard uh. And that's whether
that's on the football field, that has said in the
weight room, things of that nature. Because if it is
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too nice, I hate to use the word you you
you can find a way to soft if it's too
nice and so uh And clearly, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Think our program has shown that over time.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
You know, we've developed a hardness and edge about us
and the way we the way we operate.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know, it is funny because I said that for years.
I remember when Oregon had Autson Stadium and then they
got a new stadium and Phil Knight gave them all
that money. In the following year, they couldn't tackle, And
I said, all of us at the crowd got quieter
because it was so expensive for tickets. I do believe
you have an edge when you say you and I
do believe that. I think you lost Ohios Dowlehouse. State
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was the best team in football last year and they
did whatever they just were. They blew Tennessee out in
Oregon out. I look at you, and you developed an edge.
And I always said I think USC and Texas are
glamour programs, notre Dames in bad weather in a small town.
Do you develop that edge? Is it a coach? Is
it a mindset? I mean, you have five star players everywhere?
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How do you do it?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
I think it's everywhere, you know, You know, Colin, I
was fortunate, you know, I was at SC obviously with
with Coach Carroll and the Heyday and we were recruiting
a bunch of great players at that time. And then
the level of consistency of which we operated, and I
think it started at the top with him, and then
it permeated through the staff, the organization, the players, the
training room, the equipment room, it was everybody. And then
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to have an opportunity to get with Coach Saban, you know,
in years I think sixteen and seventeen years whatever how
many years that he had been there that I was
there for a couple of them. He clearly had instituted
it in his own way too in recruiting the five
star players, four and five star players. But yet there
was a there was a toughness, a mindset, a culture
that had been developed throughout that organization, and I just
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felt like, man, we can create that here. But it
had to start for me, and it had to permeate,
like I said, through the staff and the players we recruited.
But it had to be the training room, the weight room, academics,
all parties involved had to been rowing the boat kind
of in the same direction. And now with our players,
the standard is a standard, and our older players who
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have been here understand that. But they also understand they
need these young players to be as successful as we
want to be, so they have to teach them the
way as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I really like that you canceled the spring game, and
it took a little courage because people are going to
push back, and you and about four other programs did it.
In my takeaway, I had a discussion with Jen Cohen,
who's the athletic director at USC, and I said, you're
pro football. I mean, I said, you just got to
come to terms with it. You need a general manager.
You're paying the players, your schedule. Now it's like the NFL.
You have to be three to four good teams in
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a row. It's really about attrition. Do you have the depth?
If you get banged up like Kansas City and lose
a left tackle, you're probably not gonna win a Super Bowl.
So for you when you're in a traditional program and
you say I'm going to cancel the spring game. My
takeaway was it was a little bit of a delicate conversation,
or did everybody at Texas go, guys, we can cling
on to this old stuff or come to terms with
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we're about seventy percent pro football now.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Well, I think you're right, you know, And I don't
know if we're ever going to get everybody right because
for some people that might have been one of the
highlights of their years coming to the spring game and
have an opportunity to see some of the new faces,
new players. But things have changed so much, you know.
I think about we just played a sixteen game schedule Cray,
and we started August thirty first. We finished January tenth,
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playing fourteen games the year before being in the CFP
semi Finals two years in a row. So thirty games
in a two year span. When you go back to
when spring games started, that's really three seasons. Remember, everyone
used to play ten games, and now things have evolved,
things have changed. I've got twenty one high school mid
years that are already in school that should be high
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school seniors that are now with us trying to develop
their craft, and so the timing has changed, the amount
of games we're playing has changed, the development of your
young players have changed. But to your point, the depth
has changed, and I'm gonna need all these guys to
be at their to hopefully be at their best in
December and January of next season, which is definitely an
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NFL type model. And when you lose a player to
you sure hope that that backup or the backups backup
can go in and give you quality reps to to
beat a Georgia or Ohio State or a Notre Dame
whoever that is that you're gonna have to play late
in those playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So I've said before, I think this about every three
or four years, we get a draft where we have
about four elite quarterbacks. There was the Burral Herbert drafts.
That's a little bit of an outlier. But we're getting
more and more good quarterbacks because the high school coaching
is better, the camps are better. You're just seeing more
high quality drafts. It used to be we said the
Lway Marino draft was like an outlier. You get that
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about every third year. Now I think this is the
year of B to B plus quarterback prospects. I think Shadouer,
I think quin Youwers, Riley Leonard, Kyle mccourr. I think
in a weird way because they're not cam Ward's ready
to play today. He's just the arm, the movement. He's different.
But in an interesting way, it may benefit Riley Leonard
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and Quinn Ewers. You may drop, you may go to
a better team. You don't have to play immediately. So
if I draft Quinn Eewers, give me the thing he
needs to work on, and give me the thing that
is pro ready right now.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, I'm gonna go the other way.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
I'm gonna start with the why it makes some pro
rid I think one plane in our market, you know, Austin.
I think we've got one point five million people in
the city of Austin. No pro sports, right with no NFL,
no NBA, no Major League Baseball. And so the microscope
you're under, the scrutiny, the media coverage, the national media coverage,
the brand, the having to have to be at your
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best under that, I think sets you up and gets
you ready for the NFL, where you're not so consumed
to what other people think, but rather I need to focus,
I need to prepare and need to take care of
my body. I need to be in the game plan.
I think those things are really helpful to go along
with all the physical attributes. There's not a throw that
that guy can make that he can't make. Excuse me,
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I think naturally all young players when they go from
college to the NFL, and I like it myself.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I think about I think about.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
The Tom Brady's of the world, Aaron Rodgers, these guys
that play for so long in the NFL. Why do
they play so long? They don't get hurt, right, and
they know where their issues are. They take care of
their body off the field, but they take care of
their body on the field. And I know the game
of football in the NFL is evolving, and I credit
a lot of those coaches, and I think that's why
they're quarterbacks getting drafted higher and higher now, because I
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think the NFL is adapting to some degree of what's
going on in college football. But to that point, I
think his ability to maintain his body, because it's not
going to be about him knowing what to do or
having the physical physical ability to do it, I think
ultimately is going to be putting himself in the best
physical condition to perform week in and week out.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So I think the NIL is rough, and I don't
like my coaches having to be gms, and gms are
now getting hired everywhere. In pro football, money isn't a
real thing because everybody is a pro. Everybody's getting paid.
In college football, you could have a quarterback making two
point seventy five million and a kicker, you know, getting
lunch money. Is how do you balance that? It's I
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think it's much tougher than people to balance that. Hey,
there's two guys that are going to make big money.
Do you talk about it, do you discuss it? Do
you pay?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't think I love paying high school players, but
if you want to get a five star left tackle,
you may have to pay a high school player and
not play a junior on your team who's an all
conference guy doesn't get that much. Is it hard and
murky for you coaches to dance around that payment thing?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Well, I'm sure it's difficult for everybody.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
I think we're I don't want to say we're in
a different position, but the reality of it is, you know,
I'm very upfront and honest with our guys and I
understand not everybody gets paid the same on our roster,
but what you get paid does not dictate how much
you play in an organization. You know, the players that
earn it on the field, the players that do the
things the right way on and off the field, that
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put the team in the best position to be successful,
are the ones that play for us. And so it's
not about how much you get paid through NIL. It's
ultimately about, you know, who gives us the best opportunity
to be successful as a team. And I make that
very clear with our players, and so I think they
understand that because when when we hit the grass, when
we go in the weight room and we're in the
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classroom learning and studying, you know, I think that's what
determines who plays. And now that may reshuffle the debt
going into the next season, but the reality of it
is NIL in our program does not dictate who plays.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, finally, you guys are opening your seat. I have
always said there's a handful of programs. USC would do this,
Texas does this, Michigan has done this, and and I
like the idea. Have you just opening up with a
big old dog, Ohio State, here we go.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I mean I'm glad you like it.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
So but here's the good news the playoffs. Steve allowed
Ohio State, as a twenty point favorite, to deliver their
worst performance in a decade. They were awful against Michigan,
and they still made the playoffs. So my take is,
I'll argue this is actually great for your program. You'll
be able to measure where you're at now. Again, it'd
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be nice maybe to play Miami of Ohio and have it.
You could, you know, you could work your way into
the season. When you look at that game, how do
you view it? How much important? How I mean, does
it change the way you practice going into it because
it's the Buckeyes.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yeah, I think you know, we've had some pretty good
experience with this, and I know they weren't all in
week one, you know obviously. You know we played Alabama
at a conference two years in a row when we
were here in year two and in year three. Uh,
and then last year we went to Michigan. You know,
they were defending national champs in week two, and then
this year we're going to Ohio State, the defending national
champions in week one. And so what I'm I love
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this opportunity and I know I was I was joking
with you earlier, but I love the opportunity. Think it's
great for our players in summer workouts and in training
camp to know who were getting ready to go play
and the task at hand. I think now to your
point with the expanded playoffs, as long as we don't
punish those teams, uh for going to play those games,
uh that it's it's great for college football. Man, it's
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opening weekend and it's Texas out Ohio State. It's a
rematch of the semi final game in last year's playoffs,
and uh, you know, it's great for the programs, great
for our program because that's what.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
The players we recruit. Those are the.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Games they want to play in. They want to be
in those big time games. Now, granted, we have other
games in our schedule that that hopefully we can play
a lot of players to develop our players along the way,
But this is a great opportunity for both programs. Somebody's
gonna win, somebody's gonna lose. But hopefully the team that
doesn't win that game doesn't get punished from the committee
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for playing in that game early in the season, because
I think that's the hardest part with the committee when
they're trying to decide who's worthy of being one of
those twelve teams, and it's always right. It's teams eight, nine, ten, eleven,
and twelve. And looking at strength to schedule, looking at
who you play rather than just staring at the record.
You know, who did you play? How did you play
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in those games? I think is as important as anything.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Finally, arch Manning, Texas Football, massive brand, back to back semifinals.
You'll be favored again. How do you avoid title or bust?
Because I'm telling you all the eyes are on you, guys.
With arch Manning two and oh last year scoring forty Steve,
there are a lot of people there. They're going to
come in hard and hot early. How do you simmer
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that down? Well?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I think that's why we're here, right. I mean, you know, Colin,
you know me well enough. Over the years, I didn't
I had plenty of opportunities to be a.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Head coach again, and when this job was presented to me,
I didn't take this job just to say I was
a head coach again. I came here because I believed
we could be champions, conference champions, national champions. And that's
that's the standard here. And that's what we're competing for.
It was no different than the last two seasons, whether
it was in the Big Twelve, the SEC, and obviously
the College Football Playoff. And I believe through all that
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we've recruited really good players, we've developed those players. We
have fourteen players at the NFL Combine this week. We
had eleven last year, which was a school record. Eleven
draft picks last season, and you know, like I said,
fourteen more and this year's NFL Combine. So the reality
of it is, this is why we're here, and we
embraced this opportunity. We're gonna look forward to it. We're
gonna go for it. We understand we're gonna get everybody's
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best shot. But again, that's okay, that's why our that's
why our players chose to come to Texas, That's why
the coaches that are coaching here chose to be at Texas.
Is to is to be on the stage and to
go compete for national titles.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yea a manning Texas Football meets Ohio State. Uh, that's
gonna be one for the ages. A lot to look
forward as somebody who watches and loves college football, Sarcuzoa's hook.
I'm good seeing you again.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Thanks man hook them right there you.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Go, Steve Starksen. You know, one of the things I
like about Arch Manning is that Arch Manning moves a
little bit better than Quiniers, a lot better. And he's
a Manning. It's American football royalty, not a pete. He's
just one of the quarterbacks. That was the most impressive
thing is that it speaks really well of the Manning family.
They could have come in here, hot, we want to play.
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You get a lot of that with quarterbacks in college football.
Dad played college football. Dad wants his son to play.
Dad's gonna transfer. He doesn't play. Arch Manning came in,
is the number one player in college football, not a peep,
head down, grinding, sitting behind Quinn Ewers who. I think
he's a better athlete than Quinn yours. I don't know
if he has the arm, but I think he's a
better athlete, not a peep. Very impressive to me. Live
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You've got your finger on the pulse of what's happening
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Speaker 3 (22:35):
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Speaker 1 (22:36):
Edwards kind of interested to watch that worth the price
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bench though.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
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Speaker 1 (22:43):
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Speaker 3 (22:46):
Are you guys close?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I mean, I he knows who I am. Doesn't mean
he's gonna you know who I am? Dammit, No, I
mean JJ Reddick's got. I'm not gonna ask jj Reddick.
He's got, He's got a little bit on his hands
right now. But Lucas situation and that story cracks me up.
Hookah dantag that that whole idea that the MAVs are
(23:10):
now leaking it that you know he likes hookah. Everybody
likes hukah. I mean unless you're like a social conservative,
which most people in La aren't. But who doesn't like hukah?
If you've never been to a hookah bar in New
York go. It's a good time. Jmcklanews.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
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Speaker 6 (23:29):
Well, let's start with the Matt Stafford situation. With the
Rams still up in the air. His reps did give
him a chance to speak to other teams about a trade,
and that's why we're hearing a lot of scuttle. But however,
Sean McVay wants to make it clear he wants Stafford.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
With the Rams.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
There's no dispute, and let's not get it twisted in
regards to anybody wanting him to be our quarterback. Now,
there's layers to it, and as you try to put
together put together the puzzle for your football team, you
have to be able to say, how do we continuously build,
how do we support him, how do we make sure
that he's getting you know, what is his worth relative
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to those things?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, they want him. I don't think there's any question.
You know. The hard part is is that I'll go
back to this, go back to that Philadelphia Rams game.
They played him as well as anybody. They played him.
I'll come on now, that final drive they.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Were Are we paying people for what happened in the past.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
No, Well, no. But I mean, here's the thing. I
think the Rams are really close and you're not going
to be really super Bowl absolutely, Okay, I didn't see that.
I mean I have him in the NFC West Championship,
barely got into the playoffs. Oh boy. They If you remember,
in the first six weeks, their offensive line was in shamba.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
They had injuries. It took some time.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I mean not leus the injury. They had the dreaded
cluster injuries, which basically knocks you out of the playoffs.
I mean they had like cluster injuries at wide receiver
and in the offensive for six weeks and we're a
play from the NFC Championship.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Here, here's my big issue. Stafford is due to make
twenty seven million this season. Look at the numbers on
the screen without him. You remove Stafford, I think there's
a big mistake. Now I'm not mister let's say everybody
sixty mili. But let's not act like the billionaires can't
afford a little luxury tax bill.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And you know the Rams can afford him. And the
reason they can is they're not paying anybody on defense.
They're not paying well.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Why aren't they paying him well?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Again, that's like saying, well, why doesn't Blank company pay
the sportscast or anything he wants. They made seven hundred
million in the Super Bowl. There are layers to everything.
You don't want to get into a situation where you
don't get a good enough right tackle because you can
pay them a little bit more. I mean, these they're
called negotiations. It's it's it's in. The Rams have leverage here.
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They're well run in MLI. Oh, of course they do.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The Rams.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
The team you just said it was a contender with
Stafford on the doorstep, they have leverage.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Okay, if Stafford walks out the door, calm, they're done.
They're not going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
If Aaron Rodgers walks in that door, they're a playoff team.
In fact, I will say Aaron Rodgers or Stafford, they
win the division. Both those quarterbacks. Rams win the division.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You're so bullish on Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I mean, with ten games with the Jets, irrelevant games
against bad teams.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, guess what, half the league's bad, so you're gonna
play plenty of those in LA.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
There's a report here added that the Rams are comfortable
with Jimmy Garoppolo if they move off.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Of Jimmy Garoppolo gets you close to the playoffs, I
don't know if he gets you in. Their defense is
so talented and so good and so young. Go look
at the Rams defense from week eight to week seventeen.
It literally was arguably the best defense in the league.
The left. Look at what they did that Jalen Hurts
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in the playoffs. He threw for sixty five yards. They
had no passing offense.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Let's do they bottled up your guy, Darnold?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
They that was easy money. By the way, the Rams
are lock city. All right, let's move on to the
next story.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Call on.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
The NFLPA recently released their annual team report card, serving
seventeen hundred players.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
And bad news for my Jets.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Woody Johnson was the only owner in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
To receive an f only one regarding great.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
The NFLPA said the player's site perceived top leadership issues,
some describing issues as top down problems and a culture
of fear.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Gotta love that one. Adding rather than.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Addressing concerns, players believe that management responded to feedback by
making conditions worse. Oh dear, last year, Woody and the
Jets got to be minus and now they fell to
an f. The NFLPA said the Jets cut their food
budget after receiving low grades in twenty twenty three and
didn't retain their longtime dietitian Colin.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
What did Woody Johnson's kids get? What did Brick get
for a grade?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
This is a team I.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Root for it.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, it's not that hard to treat people good. I'm
not saying you have to treat everybody great. It's not
that hard to treat people well. Arizona, what did their
owner get another allows he grade? Like, It's just it's
not that hard to get a B as an owner.
I don't need you to be an a owner. Again,
I don't need the world's best facilities. I think that
stuff's overrated. I want my teams to have an edge.
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I don't need the glossy Miami. Miami apparently has great facilities.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Well wait, you know, I didn't want to jump all
over your Tyson thing.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
But Tyson, when he was training in these dingy gyms
was on the come up. He wasn't a heavyweight champion
in the world, right, he was on the rise. These
are pro athletes making millions. Your quarterbacks making fifty million dollars.
You can't be given.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Him prison food. That's just that's stupid. This is your investment,
you're paying the playoff.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
No, no, no, Diete. I would give my guys good food.
They don't need Filet mignon. I'll give you good food.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Do you want to give him top sirlod?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well done?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Who are you? I'm not a big believer. Players get
pampered as it is with their contracts to the agents.
Nobody wants to offend them. They get it. It's like,
we don't need another layer of you get anything you want.
If I have good facilities, if I have a good owner,
we treat them well. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Let's remember this isn't forty six weeks a year like
some or forty eight or whatever a real job is.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
This is seriously, July through December January. That's it. You
can't pony up.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
For six months to hook your guys up with a
great sauna and a hot tub.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Food. And you're making it sound like the Jets don't
have a sauna and hot tub.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
The Jets, well, we've heard stories about the Bengals, but
the Jets players should be going to work acting. Oh
my gosh, I'm just walking into the Rich or the
Hilton or whatever awesome hotel it is. That's where you
want your guys in the right mindset, getting pampered instead
of ready to go out and kill a name on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I want I think good is fine. You think
it has to be excellent. My takeaway is if you
treat them well and it's good quality, that's good enough.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yeah, you should go sit in a twenty three E
and Economy on your next do good seat.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
It's a good seat.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I wish I sat in a seat that nice.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Final story is Kevin Stefanski's on the hunt for a
new quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Now listen to this. This is a little strange.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Yesterday at the combine, Stefanski said the Browns will use
every avenue to find their franchise QB, but added he's
impressed with the class of quarterbacks, saying this is a
really good class from top all the way through.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
That's not what we're hearing from literally everyone else.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
We're hearing there's two good quarterbacks, Colin what What's is
Stefanski doing some misdirection here? Do they not want a
quarterback up top? They are hyping Travis Hunter. By the way,
I'm starting to have second thoughts on Cleveland nailing this pig.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Well, it should be a layup. Take cam wordor should
do her.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Sanders mel Kiper once told me, uh, don't believe he
at the combine or the week before the draft. You
just have to be careful about If you look at
all the prospects, I would say this, I think it's
a very good class in terms of depth. I think
there are eight guys that can play in the NFL,
like Will Howard is probably I'll give you an example.
(31:16):
Cam Ward's a first round talent. A Chadur Sanders, in
my opinion, is a late first round talent. I say
Jalen Milroe and Kyle McCord to me again, not where
they'll get drafted. I think they're I think their top
to mid second round talents. I think Riley Leonard, Jackson
Dart are third round, Quinn you Rs fourth, Will Howard fifth.
(31:40):
Now again, I think Jalen Milroe will get drafted first
round by somebody. But what do I think he is
the talent? I think he and Kyle McCord feel like
mid second talents, so.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Will Howard before that playoff run, maybe seventh round pick.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Maybe. No, I think he's a He has a good
couple of.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Playoff games and they annihilate everyone. And yeah, I like
we watched him all seasons. I didn't think he was amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well he he he. He's a big kid. He's a
big kid who moves well. Uh, he's an NFL athlete.
He looks like he's a big, strong kid, so we
should be an NFL athlete. I don't think he's an
NFL starter, but I think he's draftable in the fifth round.
I think Riley Leonard could develop into a starting quarterback.
I think Kyle McCord will develop into a starting quarterback.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Is this the same Riley Leonard they're doing for like
sixty seven yards again in a playoff game against I
don't want to whoever.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I have.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I have Riley Leonard as my fourth to fifth best quarterback.
I like his size, I like his athletic ability, like
I love his toughness. I think he's a tough kid
on that one drive. No, he's a tough, tough kid.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
What happened to the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, again, this was a run first, defensive led team.
This was not a aerial circus that's not what they were.
You get you get caught up into that hole throwing
around the yard. I don't think that's uh, you know
Notre Dame's formula for winning ball control uh turnover uh differential.
(33:10):
Indn't turn it over much and they took the ball away.
Very good Situationally, I just think he's a big, tough kid.
He's a little wonky throwing it. He's in but but
he in games I watched Notre Dame play when he
had to make big throws, he usually made him.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah, no, I like him.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
I know it sounds like I don't like him, but
he's a good player. I'm just starting to smell like
fifth six, round four.
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Okay, this story just came down. There's been a lot
of talk about, you know, uh, Tom Brady, Matt Stafford,
Montana skiing, h tampering. Uh, it just got reported. There
is no issue. The Rams gave Matt Stafford and his
(35:43):
agent permission to speak to the Raiders. That's what the
NFL is saying. So the Rams said, go go talk
to Tom, deal with Tom. Uh and it's fine. I
will tell you is that I think the Raiders are
absolutely in play. I'm serious. The p I Trust are
telling me Raiders may be leading the Rams right now.
(36:04):
Remember they're willing to give him three years. Rams may
be stuck at two. Raiders had give him fifty million.
Rams may be stuck closer to forty five and do
not downplay this thirteen and a half percent tax in Kelly,
no state tax in Nevada, playing indoors, Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll,
(36:26):
brock Bowers. I think they've got their left tackling center
all wrapped up. They drafted a right tackle. I think
third round last year Maryland. He's better. I think he's
better than they thought. Got pressed into duty early because
of an injury and played well. So I think the
Raiders are absolutely in play here, absolutely in play. And
(36:47):
there's a dozen reasons. But Pete Carolyn, Chip Kelly big.
And the other thing is if you can get again,
it would be one thing. I wouldn't move for an
extra nine million. But if the Raiders are willing to
go to three and give him fifty in all three years,
one hundred and fifty million, and the Rams are like,
we'll give you two and forty five a year, you
(37:10):
got to take it. I mean to me that is
that is a different ballgame. Again. I'd stay there. If
it's eight million, nine eleven, that's not going to make
a difference. But what if the difference over the course
of three years is forty two million dollars? Don't you
have to take it? I mean again, you're not going
(37:32):
You're going to Pete Carroll, Chip, Kelly brock Bauers and
a good left tackle Colton Miller. They've got the pieces.
They need a running back and it's a very, very
rich running back draft. So to get Matt Stafford, they
could give picks up, you could give you could give
a first or a second pick up, and I think
the Rams would be very I mean, let's just say this,
(37:52):
the Raiders go, you get our first pick. Let's just
play the scenario out, because I think the Raiders, the
Raiders would have to give their first pick. Matt Stafford's
worth the first pick. I think I think the Rams
would the sixth pick trade down because I know the Rams.
(38:13):
I have been told Rams want to trade down in
the draft. They want to get some offensive depth. They're getting,
you know, a little old at tight end. They want
another running back, they want maybe two tackles, two receivers.
So they want to start hitting on their offensive pieces
like they have their defensive pieces last couple of years
in the draft. So they would love to trade down.
They'd love to trade that first round pick into the
(38:35):
second and have no first round pick and get an
extra third and maybe a fifth. So they're willing to
listen to anybody, and they like Stafford. But I'm here
to tell you the Rams have the twenty sixth pick
in the first round. That's no man's land. They'd rather
trade out of that and go to the second round.
But if you gave them a first in the top
six or seven, then they can trade that down. They
can get multiple picks that way, because they what they
(38:58):
need I don't think is available in this draft. I
don't think there's a dominant left tackle. I think Kelvin
Banks for Texas, Will Campbell LSU were good. I don't
think either as good as Joe Old, and I think
they would rather trade down to middle of the first
round if they could get another, if they could get
a second or a third round pick, they do it.
So they don't have a ton of needs. They need
(39:20):
an offensive tackle and they need a corner. That's all.
They really absolutely need, probably another inside linebacker, and absolutely
another receiver, a boundary receiver. So I'm just saying, Raiders,
if you're asking me today, it is a coin flip, Raiders,
Rams coin flip because Raiders will give an extra year,
(39:43):
and if that extra year is forty five million dollars.
How do you not take it? By the way, here
is Shanur Sanders yesterday walking around Indy with three different teams, Saints, Brown's,
Vikings hats. You know, he doesn't know where he's going
right now, grown men chasing him to get selfies. So
there is shaduor Sanders yesterday. Here was Albert Breer on
(40:05):
Chadure's challenge going into this draft.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
I think the issue is Chadoor and this is gonna
be a difficult thing for him to address over the
next six or seven months or six or seven weeks.
Is are you special in any one area? Do you
have a superpower trade or are you an average athlete
with an average arm in an NFL context? And I
think that that's the way a lot of teams look
(40:30):
at him. He's not a great athlete, he doesn't have
a big arm, So like, where is the superpower that's
going to make you want to take him in the
top five?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, I don't think he has that. But I think
he's really accurate, and he can initiate offense, and I
think he'll create stability. I've said this before. I think
J McK and I both believe Cam Wored is gonna
go number one, and there's just too many teams that
need quarterbacks, so I think Shador could possibly go two
or three. I don't think he's that good of a player.
I think he's more of a mid late first round guy.
(41:02):
But you know, quarterbacks get overdrafted. Who cares. I mean,
it's and this idea that he's not He's not a
bad athlete. He's just not cam Ward. But he moves
well enough. He moves better than GoF he moves better
than Stafford, he moves better now than Aaron Rodgers. He moves,
he moves fine. He's just you know, it's like c J. Stroud.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
C J.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Stroud moves good enough, but c J. Stroud was rather
sit in the pocket and throw darts. I like the fact.
I like the fact that Shador sanders. I mean the
knock on him beyond traits as he holds the ball
too long. But I don't know, man, if you are
accurate at throwing the ball and you've played behind a
bad old line in a bad run game and had
(41:42):
to kind of like carry a team, those are some
I think there's a little edge to him. It's very
easy if your dad's a superstar, enriched not have an edge.
I think Shador getting beat up at Colorado for two
years behind the bad old line and no run game,
I think he developed a little bit of an edge,
So I like him.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
Can I go back to Stafford for So what does
that do to the AFC West if he went to
the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Okay, we're already calling it like the coaching division. Right,
you got Harball, you got Reed, you got Sean Payton.
Speaker 6 (42:10):
Now you're going quarterbacks Herbert Mahomes, Stafford, and Bo Nick's.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Who's on the come up. That's got to be the
best division in football.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
I know it was the NFC North last year, but
if Stafford goes Raiders go, that's a ridiculously tough division.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Well three team We've seen more than watch three teams
can make it to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So another star quarterback going to the AFC.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Remember Joe Burrow missed the playoffs in the AFC this year,
and now you're adding Stafford to the AFC.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Oh my god, what a brutal stretch.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Now, if you're Jayden Daniels, you probably love that. If
you're the Eagles, you're like, oh, thank goodness, Stafford's going.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
If you're the Raiders, would you give up your first
round pick for him? That's tough, I'm telling you. If
what's fascinating about this.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
So they could be looking at Mason Graham at six
they got you love from Michigan.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Love him.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
He's gonna be there ten years in the middle clog
and run defenses, or Stafford for two years.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Raiders may lead in the clubhouse right now,
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