February 28, 2025 • 35 mins
Colin Cowherd talks about LeBron James' sudden burst of energy, Dolphins OT Teron Armstead joins the show, and breaking news around Matthew Stafford & the Rams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
All right, we got to a Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
What a week it has been, not just for Lebron James,
but primarily.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It is the Herd wherever you may be and however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. Jmac, we got a loaded show today. NFL
season ends, we take a vacation, comeback. There's gonna be
NBA March Madness free agency. But the NBA did us
as solid this year, Jimmy Butler. The Warriors has been
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seven to one. It's a new staff and a new
team and Lebron and Luca now converging. In Lost Angelus,
they beat another good Western team. The West is much
deeper than the East. So you start beating these Dallas, Kyrie,
you start beating Denver, you start beating Minnesota. These are
impressive wins a little bit, A little bit. Yeah, they're
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pretty good. So I'm gonna start with this. Luca's not
playing that well, let's just say it out loud. He's
not in great shape, never been a good defender, looks
a little soft one for nine last night on shooting threes,
and everybody sort of hedges their bet. We've all been
doing this, myself included, for the last two years. We've
all been doing this in the media. We just don't
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want to say, you know, is Lebron like the second
best player in the league. Nobody wants to say that, right,
It's hey, jo Kich, Joannis. I have watched Lebron in
the last week outplay Aunt Edwards, Luca, Yo Kich and
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Kyrie Irving. He has been the best player in the
NBA in the last week. On every single night, is
Lebron the best player in the league. No, on any
given night, is Lebron the best player in the league.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
His defense right now, it looks like he's twenty seven.
It's insane. His energy better than Luca. His shooting right
now better than Luca, his on ball defense, his scoring.
Lebron at forty years old, has better consistent energy than
any other Laker. Now. Austin Reeves is close. Austin plays
hard all the time. But Lebron's fourth quarter energy, it
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doesn't even make sense. His on ball defense right now,
this is the best defense he's played in eight years.
He's a better defender at forty than Luca is at
twenty six. His energy, I'm telling you right now, is
Lebron showing off. And I'll get to Steph in a second.
It feels like Steph is kind of showing off that
Jimmy Butler like listen to old man, you know, and
(02:51):
I feel when Tom Brady beat Mahomes at Arrowhead Stadium
in the AFC Championship and then he beat him in
the Super Bowl, everybody by then was falling in love
and sort of was saying it, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Brady's old Brady.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You know, not a lot left in the tank for
old Tommy. Ma Holmes is the new king, and Brady
beat him twice in Arrowhead and overtime, and then the
Super Bowl, tom Brady reminding you, yeah, it goes through me,
and Lebron is reminding everybody right now, yeah, the West
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for ten years, the East went through me ten twelve years,
however long he was over there. Now the West is
going to go through me, so at minimum, And I
understand that Luca got hurt, hadn't played for a long time.
He's playing himself back into shape, like I get it,
and he'll be a better shooter. His jumper right now
is short consistently. That's like Cardio that's legs, his jumper short.
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But at forty years old, Lebron James last year had
last year at thirty nine years old, Ron had eighty
four dunks. When Michael Jordan was thirty nine, mj had
twenty one, four times the dunks of a guy known
for dunks, Michael Jordan at the same age. And I
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think Lebron this year is better than Lebron last year.
And the other thing is because Ad was traded into Dallas.
Lebron is hyper aware that he has to play better
defense because Luca is a lousy defensive player and Austin
Reeves is limited. So Lebron is like, oh, oh, you
need me to do that too, all right? His defense
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is insane. So he's averaging twenty five eight to nine,
that's what That's not the part that's blowing me away.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's the energy in the defense.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And you know this, it's I feel like I've said
this for years. I think the NBA playoffs should be
a three game first round and then five games even
through the finals. I think create urgency. I mean March madness.
College basketball doesn't have much talent and it gets tremendous ratings.
Why there's urgency. I mean, you know, Cooper Flag, take
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him off Duke. They got a couple of decent players,
but a Duke game with Cooper Flag against Xavier will
get a better rating maybe than like the Western Conference
or Eastern Conference finals, because it's like you have to watch.
You got two and a half hours. Somebody's out could
be Duke and Cooper Flag. And so I think there
needs to be no more urgency. And I also think
in the NBA regular season, I'd cut it down to
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sixty eight games.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Start it six weeks later.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Get away from college and pro football, you know, start
playing Christmas. Start playing Christmas not your first TV game.
Start plan then. So I understand that if you're Lebron,
you're Steph Curry and you're not with a championship team.
You're on a treadmill to nowhere. It is so clear
between Steph and Lebron that these moves have absolutely energized
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these guys. And just watch Lebron's defense. It is elite
and he has outplayed aunt, Luka, Kyrie and Jokic in
the last week. He has been the best player on
the floor. And here is uh, here's Lebron after We.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Know we could have been a lot better offensively, but
you know we've been hanging our head on our under
the defensive end. And you know, when you don't shoot
the ball well, you got to be able to get stops.
And they made a ruin. They're really good team. We
saw what they did a couple of nights ago against Okay.
See when it was down big and those young guys
came in, sparked them, give them good energy. So you
know they cut it down to three. I believe at
one point, boy was able to execute. After today, get
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some time he stops and was able to come out
with the winner.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So Lebron in February twenty nine and a half points,
ten rebounds, seven and a half assays, shooting fifty five
percent from the floor, forty six percent on three pointers,
and playing elite on ball defense at forty at thirty nine,
he had eighty four dunks. At thirty nine, MJ had
twenty one. Like, you're a watching this is unprecedented. You know,
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we're always looking ahead. Don't just live in this moment.
What you're watching doesn't make any sense. It's Brady in Tampa.
It makes no sense that Brady was that year first,
second best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
All right, So I want to give you a update this.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
According to Diana Russini, the Rams are meeting with Matt
Stafford at their facility in person today regarding the future.
So the Raiders and the Giants, and I think the
Raiders are in play here have discussed a two year
contract that includes ninety to one hundred million guaranteed, and
a decision is expected soon. So I was thinking about this.
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I think if it's only two years and the Raiders
are not giving you a third, then I would stay
with the Rams and take less. The Rams can get
you to seventy five eighty eighty five, I would take
that over one hundred on a two year deal. If
they're both offering two years, Raiders go to a third
year forty five million, no state tax, I'd probably consider that.
But it's really interesting, and what I'm about to say won't.
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You'll think it's ridiculous initially, but just think about the
Rams are not far off from winning a Super Bowl.
They're really close. They had they were driving to beat
Philly in a snowstorm, and that defense got better every
other week. And they're all coming back and they're super talented.
So you're not going to score a lot of points
on the Rams going forward. If they get a corner
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in the draft of the first pick or second, they
don't have a hole. That defense is good everywhere and
young and cheap. If Matt Stafford stays and wins a
second Super Bowl. And I know legacies are all about ego,
but if you put fifteen twenty twenty five years into
being a politician, a talk show host, a quarterback, a landscaper,
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legacies matter. You want to be remembered fondly, not just
as a husband and as a dad, but what did
you do professionally in your community? If he wins a
second Super Bowl, that's the same as Elway, Peyton, Manning
and Big Ben. But it's more than Aaron Rodgers, Steve
Young and and I've said this for years, Matt Stafford
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was better in high school than Aaron Rodgers, much better
in college, better his first four years in the NFL,
and much better now in his last three. Now, there
were ten years where he was in dysfunctional Detroit and
put up a lot of stats, but didn't get much
to the playoffs and do much. And meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers
was in Green Bay, highly functional, great draft and developed organization,
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good coaching, and had a better middle of ten years.
But if you had to put Aaron in Detroit and
Matt in Green Bay, I think he has more than
one ring. But my take is legacy matters. If Stafford
wins a second Super Bowl, that means he would go
four to zero in the playoffs in the Super Bowl,
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he would have more rings than Aaron. He'd have a
better playoff percentage than Aaron. He would be better late
than Aaron, better early than Aaron. As a former number
one pick, there's a real large ena you take Matt Stafford.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
More super bowls.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I mean super bowls alone are going to get Eli
Manning eventually into the Hall of Fame. And he was
an average regular season quarterback. How a movie ends and
how a quarterback's career ends absolutely shapes how we think
of you. When Brady went to Tampa in one fifty
percent of you watching and listening for years, and I
(10:27):
saw it on Twitter. It's a system quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He left New England.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
One Belichick regressed, Brady is unquestionably the goat. Beat Mahomes
last two times they played. He is head and shoulders
above the crowd. John Elway never forget Lway, Ozero and
three and super bowls got hammered. John can't win the
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big game. Last two years, two super Bowl wins with
Terrell Davis the running back, and we viewed him number
two all time to Joe Montange. Peyton Manning goes to Denver.
Let's be honest. He goes to Denver. His reputation was
he's not good in big games. One Super Bowl, Brady
owns him. All of a sudden, he beat Brady in
a playoff game or two wins in Denver. And now
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that Brady Manning thing is like, oh eh, Peyton kind
of got the best of him last couple of years.
If Matt Stafford stays, no, you're not getting a ring
with Las Vegas. You're not getting a ring with the Giants,
it makes those franchises respectable and probably winning franchises very quickly.
Matt Stafford has a chance to get to another level
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as many Super Bowls as l Way and Peyton Manning
in that class, and more than far of an Aaron Rodgers.
And so to me, when you put I mean, think
about when Matt Stafford started playing football six years old,
seven years old. He's thirty eight years old. He has
given thirty years of his life to football. Number one
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high school player, number one pick out of Georgia, had
to endure a lot of nonsense in Detroit. The idea
that if he could get another Super Bowl in the
next two years with the Rams and.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
People, a lot of people would look.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
At him and there's an argument he's better than Steve Young,
Aaron Rodgers, maybe farv. That'd be hard for me to
walk away from. I know, it's just legacy, and a
lot of people think that's vanity. I don't care if
you're a mailman, a quarterback, a politician, a landscaper, a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
It matters. You want to be remembered for committing to something, and.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
When you've been doing it at a high level like Stafford,
you get a wizard away for money in Vegas. That'd
be hard for me. So if the Raiders are not
going to give you three years, I don't care if.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's more money.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think the legacy matters too much to a guy
that's totally been committed to football, sits in the pocket
till the end, takes more shots than almost anybody in
the league. I mean, that's the thing about Stafford and Aaron.
Aaron don't want to get hit anymore. I guess I
get it. Brady didn't want to get in a hit anymore.
Stafford sits there and gets hammered every Sunday. Some part
of him is always banged up or bleeding. He has
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committed totally of this career. Be hard to walk away
if I don't get extra years and an extra fifty
to seventy million bucks. All right, j Mac Steph Curry
put on a little.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Clinic last night. He was okay, fifty six, not bad
at all.
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Tell your friends you want to watch the next twenty
minutes tarn Armstead twelve years in the NFL, A five
time Pro bowler, started with the Saints, went to the Dolphins.
One of the great multi left tackles, pass blocking, run
blocking in the NFL for a long time. Could play
still available. We'll get into that in a second. This
guy's full of personality that, you know what's always interesting.
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I'm fascinated by this. How in the hell did you
end up being overlooked by SEC teams? It didn't take
you very long to be good in the NFL. You
went to Arkansas Pine Bluff. I know where Arkansas is.
I don't know where the pine or the bluff is at.
Why were you a late bloomer?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think my area was just overlooked.
Speaker 8 (15:16):
My high school was behind the times as far as exposure,
putting the eyes on guys and getting the tape to
where it was available. You know, I was still VHS,
very very a lot of static.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Look Josh Allen, same thing. Oh really, Joan, I mean
literally didn't get a single college offer.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Played out in the sticks in Northern Calling.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
For same situation.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
Yeah, so if you were watching my film, you would
have to kind of figure out which of those dots
were me and we liked that guy, and that it
didn't happen for me.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Did you know did you go to the combine?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I did?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Okay, When did you know.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm better than that guy? I'm better than that guy? Like,
when did you know I'm gonna play in this league?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I wouldn't say the combine was that situation for me.
Comby helped me get more odds and more exposure. I
had broke the forty yard dash record for the offense
ave lineman ran four sixty five to two, So look
at that. Yeah, So that just helped me get my
name out and got more people to watch my film.
My college film had some static too, but it was
more DVD. It wasn't VHS no more. So it's hard
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to see that too. But Combin helped me tremendously. But
as far as like which guy that I felt like
I could play against for.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I'm better than never really been my thing.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
I went to the East West Shrine game and then
got invited to the Senior Ball the next week. So
those two weeks were probably the most revealing for me
as far as level of talent, because I kept hearing
that through the process your a level of talent that
you played against is going to be different than the
SEC guys.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So first one on one, I'll tell you a quick story.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
First one on one at the senior ball I got
there late a lineup. It's a d M from Georgia.
I don't remember his name, and I'm like, this is
my moment. I jumped at him through his ass five
yards and jumped on them everything like I blacked out
And that was my right then, and there was my
moment of you can do this, you can play at
this level.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I love stories like that.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I love that stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
The you know, it's funny. We were talking during the break.
I love Sean Payton. Sean Payton facetiming last night in
Indy and you played for him for years and he
is very blunt for sure. He and Russell Wilson. Russell's
mister optimism, Shawn's mister authentic honesty.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Like it clashed. Yeah, you didn't like Seawn early.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I didn't.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
I didn't like him at all my first three four years,
but I appreciated him like I appreciated his coaching style.
He's very direct, he was very aggressive, but he wasn't
personable at all, like I couldn't say nothing to him,
couldn't make a suggestion or opinion or anything.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Only time he talked to you was if you messed up.
That was it.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
Like he was not a pat on the back guy
at all. So as a young player coming from Arkansas
pinm Bluff.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I was looking for a little you know what I mean,
a little something.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
But everything that he taught me in those first four years,
it stuck with me, and it taught me what's important
doing your job, execution, play after play, a game after game,
and I couldn't I can't thank the man enough. And
then later on my last five years together, we became
best friends and I love him to death that the
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stories that he has and the moments that we've shared together.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
He went the extra mile for me.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Twenty twenty, during COVID, my brother passed away and we
couldn't travel, so, you know, it was looking like I
wouldn't be able to go to the funeral.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And I'm like, I'm driving if that's the case. It's
middle of the week.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
And Sean called me to his office and he's like,
missus Benson. I told her the situation. We're taking her plane.
We're going to the funeral. I'm like, what do you
mean way, He's like, I'm coming with you. We're going
to the And he came up to my hometown, me
and him, Dan Rochark, he just signed with the Bears
as the O line Coach album Kamara and Latavia's Murray,
and we all went to the funeral together and Sean
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was amongst the people and he helped my family, like
genuinely had people laughing and smiling at really the toughest
time of our lives.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So forever, forever grateful for that man.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
By the way, the somebody said on the staff, they said, hey,
tarn is going to give you crap about Steph Curry
who dropped fifty six last night. What are you going
to say to me? I was very complimentary today have
Steph Curry?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:34):
No, So now that you mentioned it, and it's about
eight years ago that you said this, eight years Yeah,
I've been holding on to it that I've been waiting
for you.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, so eight years.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
I honestly don't even remember what you said. I just
know at the moment I didn't like it, didn't like
it one bit. What I said it was he is
he can he winning championship you know by somelfing he
does he need Swy and Z to do it. It
was it was something crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Just just outraged, and it just bothered you.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It bothered me so bad.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But you know what It's funny about Steph Curry. He
goes to Davidson so none of us watch him small school.
You and him have something in common. He has ankle issues,
ankle issues. He's not very good defensively at all.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
My ankle. My ankle is pretty good. I heard everything
else but ankles were good.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But he was he had to develop into something.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, and there was there were talk they were going
to keep Monte Ellis and and move him like there
that was Jerry west Is like, we're not doing that.
I think I think it was Jerry West or somebody
in the organization. And the truth is is that I
do think the jet fuel to players like you and Curry.
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And I've said this about this year's quarterback draft. They're
all getting crushed.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
This is all That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And what makes Curry so great is that he just
he just always works at his craft. And I think
sometimes and I see this a little with Luca. Luca
was so good at sixteen beating European men. He's still
not in good shape. Like what the harder things are
to attain, the more it fuels you for the rest
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of your life. Steph Curry will be competitive golfing at
seventy four because of Davidson.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And going to your life. The fact you were doubted
even today.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Does it tick you because you were I think you
were great, top four, third best, top three tackle last year?
Does it still drive you crazy? Do you feel disrespected
by that?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I do?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
I do?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
And that to your point, it that's what drew me
to Steph Curry. Like to be. To become a fan
of Steph Curry is all the noise.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
And for him to use it as fuel and to
work like to work, to work, to work to become
what he has become. I took the same approach. I
had to work over time to go from Arkansas pinem
Bluff and be a small school, got underachiever, all of
those things whatever to be a five time pro bowler,
all pro.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
And it's still like you say, to this day, was
third rate tackle this year? Whatever whose grays or metrics,
But I just always got to prove myself and I'm
okay with that, because I love the grind, I love
the work, I love getting better, I love the progression.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
It's just a part of who I am.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
NFL is obviously rewarding financially offensive players over defensive players.
But I've said there's a handful of defensive players in
my life. Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald. They're just
different facts. Miles Garrett is pretty close to that, and
my argument is if you give him a winning environment,
he'll play even better. Like Lebron looks better now that
Luke's there, for sure. I mean, Staff's playing better, Jimmy
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Butler's there. It's like they're showing up and like, okay,
everybody's watching my games.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
How many times have you faced Miles Garrett and physically
he should have more body fat at that size. Is
he a top matchup even for you?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (23:03):
Yeah, I've played him three times. I would say I
think we played the first time in twenty eighteen. That
is a top three one on one old line versity
line battle. I went and watched it again probably two
months ago. It's a it's a it's a dogfight.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I won. I did it I'm gonna just put that out.
I won.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
But if you go back and watch that game, I
got no help, He got no help. He lined up here,
I line up here, and we went at it for
the entire game twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Go watch that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So the next day when you wake up, be honest
with me, right, is it hard to get out of
bed when you play somebody at that long?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
For sure?
Speaker 8 (23:39):
For sure that you get a physical dog fight like that,
somebody that's really it's like a train wreck.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
For sure. It is.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
You feel every part of it, your neck, back, shoulders,
for sure, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
By the way, Matt Stafford just reached an agreement with
the Rams. Oh wow, so we got the Raiders came
after him. But it was interesting. According to Diana Russini,
the Raiders only offer two years, which is what the
Rams are offering. So the trade speculation talk is done.
The first significant offseason quarterback Domino has fallen. The Rams
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and Stafford, according to Adam Schefter, have reached an agreement
on a restructured deal. My guess is two years. I'm
not sure about the money. Stafford's pretty unique, you know
what I always appreciated about Stafford A lot of these
older quarterbacks don't want to get hit.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Matt will sit in.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
There fearless to the last half second, fearless.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You've hit him a few times. I mean you've hit him.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You've been in games against Stafford are there is there
a secret code the quarterbacks Like Breeze was a smaller
quarterback as he got older, tell me what it's like
to protect like Tua, we got concussions. He don't want
to get You don't want to get hit. Do you
feel a responsibility because of Tua's concussions? Does that add
(24:57):
pressure to you?
Speaker 8 (24:58):
It's pressure playing that for position anyway, being being the
front line, Like I had two smaller quarters.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I've had two smaller quarterbacks my career, Drew Brees and Tua.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Thos been your guys guy. By the way, Tua Breeze
is TOAs com.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
For sure, for sure, and for a good reason too.
It is not It is not for nothing. He's he
is that from that claw. So the stressful part and
it's real life stress, Like it's anxiety that goes on
in past protection.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That's like the worst thing in the world is to
get your quarterback hit.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
To me, so if I give up a sack like,
no matter how played for the rest of the game,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
My day is ruined. It's ruined. I get the quarterback hit.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Only gave up three last year.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
I don't think two of those are on me, So
we got to go back and watch the film. Yeah,
that's a lot of factors goes into that.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Is there a guy in the league that gave you
more trouble and he wasn't a high draft pick?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, you know, we've always said.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
This, There are guys in the NBA they have maybe
a weird body or whatever. But if you ask players
are like, I mean, I remember Dominique Wilkins telling me,
he goes, I love playing Mr. I did not sleep
playing Bernard King. Bernard could just say I'm scoring fifty
four tonight, he goes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I couldn't stop him. He goes, I hated playing it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Is there a guy in the league that you're like
because Max Crosby talks a lot of trash he does,
and he's a fourth I think he's a fourth rounder.
Is there a guy in the league that you maybe
don't sleep quite as well the night before?
Speaker 8 (26:24):
No, I would say I feel the same way as
as Dominique like, I would rather block Miles Garrett and
Max Crosby.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Wow, I would, I will. It's the it's the guy
that just got elevated off practice squad. I'm terrified of him.
I'm scared to death. He is. He's in his stands,
he got his his leg is shaken.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
God damn, he's about to rush with everything in his
being intimidating.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
No, No, the scouts, who you talk?
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Who's the tactic squad guy that's that just got elevated
this week.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
They told him on wins that hey, you're gonna play
this week.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
You might not get me terrified.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
I'm fearful. Yeah, I don't want to see him. Give
me Max, give me Miles Garrett. Yeah, with that practice squad,
I got it.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Just called up. I don't want no smokers, young man.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
He's got nothing but energy.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Nothing but energy.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
He's gonna run through my face mask over and over
and I throw him to the ground. But I'm like
supposed to. So it's like, you know what I mean,
he gonna get up and do it again. Would I
want to see him?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You've made your money, you can retire today, but you
play outside of quarterback, the most important position in the sport.
If a good team called you up and said, dude,
two years would you would you go play?
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I'm on a good team, so no, so you wouldn't
you were not gonna play. I'm on a good team
already know. But I mean, so nobody else can.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Call me you would you? This is it?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I'm a yeah, Dolphins only.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But you're you're you're kind of pausing.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I'm not. I think it's natural pauses in a conversation.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's money? So what do you do now? You're how
old are you? Thirty? Okay, you got you got some money.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You've had a career.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, what do you do? What is an Can most
people retire? I'm sixty and still working. The average person
great man sixty five, sixty six, you're thirty three and
can wrap it up? What do you do?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I weigh my options, right.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
I feel like being in the league for so long,
having a successful career and done and I've done well financially,
it gives me cushion in room to make a decision
like this and to see if I want to continue
to go out and compete in pursuit of a championship.
That's the goal, like that honestly, honestly speaking, that is
that's the goal. So there's a lot of factors that
(28:46):
goes into that. A lot of health for sure. But
then kids, my kids getting older, my twin girls about
to be teenagers. Pray for me please, So those type
of things are factors for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
The Dolphins have been incredible and Grace will allow me
this time. I know you've seen the contract restructure that
we we just came to. It worked well for all parties.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
It allowed me a little bit more time to think
and allowed them to do whatever they need to do
necessary to improve the tea.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
It made you an offer the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Have you said structure funny? Yeah, yeah, we restructure. Yeah,
you haven't signed it, not physically.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Are you going to Yeah? Again, you're pausing. What does
that mean?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You're pausing when I asked you, are you going to
sign the contract?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
What the restructure is? It's like I took my projected
salary down to minimum.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
Okay, So it allows the Dolphins to do with the
new space cap space to do.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Whatever they need to do to improve the team.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
It allows me the time to make a decision whether
I want to keep planning or not. So if I'll decide,
hey we're doing this, I'm locking in, let's go, then
we have another conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay, Matt Stafford broke news. You could do it right
after I could.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I want to let Matt have his day? Would I
be to take his shine? And then they only talking
about me today? You know? All right?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know you've you've had Sean Payton's intensity as a coach,
Dan Campbell's almost he's a player, and now you've got
this wizard this like m I t Mike McDaniel. Be
honest about Mike McDaniel. First time you saw him, did
you say he's gonna stand in front of us?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
He's a little bit different?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Right? No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
My first time I saw him was I was on
a visit, so it was it was one on one
and he just came in.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He came in with energy. Man, he was he was excited.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
He had just got there three or four days before,
you know what I mean, So he didn't know where
his pans.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And yeah, he is, for sure, he's he's different.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
He's different, but that's okay because he's it's genuinely him and.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
That's what I appreciate is not a front, is not
an act.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
It's it's him, and you spend time with him, you'll
see that and you have a d for appreciation for him.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Tarron Armstead, you know you're always welcome.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
You can always come by the show.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
You come to my show too. I don't have one yet,
but one day when I do. You let me tell
you that.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Free to come through.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
It's a dead end career. There's no reason to do this.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You hang out with your beautiful twin daughters. Are they athletes?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
What are they? Yeah? Basketball players?
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Best sixth grade team in the country, going AU Nationals again.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, back to back, we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
What do you weigh right now? By the way, that's personal.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
What do you weigh about two eighty five?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
What do you play at to ninety eight three hundred?
That's a light tackle for you to be that good
at that.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Weight, appreciate it strong.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
What do you This is a weird question. If I
said max reps bench, what do you bench? This is
it's a weird question.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
What's bench?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I'm not benching no more. You don't bench, no, not
max rep.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
No, No, You're just doing light stuff, trying to keep tone.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, I get what I need to get in a
lot of pilates and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Really about that, course, Dan, how about that?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, that's when I grab him. Yeah, no getting away.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, Matt Stafford is signed with the Rams. We'll say
it again. Uh, congrass, Yeah, that's that's so.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
We said.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
We thought the Raiders were in play, but in the
end the Rams wanted that first Raiders pick and probably
a second, and the Raiders said that's a little bit
too much. So Stafford whose legacy again, if you give
him a second super Bowl, that's l way, That's Peyton Manning,
that's big Ben. Don't forget how a quarterback's career ends
goes a long way in forming that legacy. Right now,
(32:36):
Stafford's considered great. He becomes an all time great with
a second Super Bowl, and the Rams are in that
short little window where they could do it.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
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Speaker 5 (32:49):
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Speaker 1 (32:54):
All Right, once again, the breaking news happened thirty twenty
five minutes ago. Matt Stafford staying with the Rams new
contract couple years. I guess one hundred million guaranteed two years.
J Max says a little tastier than that. I do
not know if you're the New York Giants or reportedly
now they will shift their attention to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
My take is I got him with the Rams, and
I got Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
With the Jets. Like those two I get.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I'm not sure if he wants to go to another
franchise that can't get attacked together. That is an ugly
way to end it for Aaron Rodgers. I think I
would call it a career if the Giants is the
only thing I had.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
I remember that Dabel historically likes mobile quarterbacks. Josh Allen,
Daniel Jones, Rogers is at mobile. I don't think he
fits what the Giants really want to do. Can you
turn him into a pocket passer when you can't protect
the quarterback? Their offensive line is one of the worst
in league. Thomas was good, but other than.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
That and very shaky. I think the Raiders kind of
become interesting here.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Would he work with the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like, Yeah, they don't want Davonte Adams back, do they
so that's kind of a weir.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
That would be awkward, and maybe Devanta Adams kind of
poisoned the Raiders for Rogers knowing what's going on in
the organization, although some things have changed obviously, right.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I just got my first taste
the last two years of a dysfunctional operation. I want
to I want to go to one that's even worse.
I mean, at least the Jets have a roster that's redeemable.
The Jets have some players, and Aaron played well down
the stretch, even the left tackle, who I like a
lot for the Giants. He's had health issues. Yeah he
(34:36):
gets better, Thomas gets banged up.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
But Pittsburgh Steelers in Aaron rodgersics.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Doesn't fit at all at all. Culturally, it just doesn't
work at all. They can't get their O line right.
It's all about defense, Prima Donna, wide receiver stuff like.
I don't think Pittsburgh and Aaron fit at all.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I don't know where he goes.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I think Vegas or Bust, but I'm not. And you
can say, well, why would he because it's closer West.
It's Pete Carroll, it's Chip Kelly, it's Brock Bowers. They've
got their left tackle. I think the Raiders actually have
some really good pieces. Go watch them play. Go watch
the replays of those Kansas City Raider games with bad
quarterback play. They went toe to toe with the Chiefs
(35:18):
in Arrowhead. So I don't Aaron Rodgers giants.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I just do not see that. I don't. I think
Aaron could call a career going out with this scilice.
I wouldn't want to.
Speaker 9 (35:33):
But is there a quarterback he could shove out? Maybe
in Seattle? Would you dump Gino Smith and get on
board with Aaron Rodgers? Does that keep dk DK metcalf around.
There's a lot of chatter about him and Lockett maybe
being done in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
They could be in.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Flux all Worth discussion. But Stafford is a ram live
in Lance.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
All right, we got to a Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
What a week it has been, not just for Lebron James,
but primarily.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It is the Herd wherever you may be and however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. Jmac, we got a loaded show today. NFL
season ends, we take a vacation, comeback. There's gonna be
NBA March Madness free agency. But the NBA did us
as solid this year, Jimmy Butler. The Warriors has been
(00:53):
seven to one. It's a new staff and a new
team and Lebron and Luca now converging. In Lost Angelus,
they beat another good Western team. The West is much
deeper than the East. So you start beating these Dallas, Kyrie,
you start beating Denver, you start beating Minnesota. These are
impressive wins a little bit, A little bit. Yeah, they're
(01:15):
pretty good. So I'm gonna start with this. Luca's not
playing that well, let's just say it out loud. He's
not in great shape, never been a good defender, looks
a little soft one for nine last night on shooting threes,
and everybody sort of hedges their bet. We've all been
doing this, myself included, for the last two years. We've
all been doing this in the media. We just don't
(01:35):
want to say, you know, is Lebron like the second
best player in the league. Nobody wants to say that, right,
It's hey, jo Kich, Joannis. I have watched Lebron in
the last week outplay Aunt Edwards, Luca, Yo Kich and
(01:56):
Kyrie Irving. He has been the best player in the
NBA in the last week. On every single night, is
Lebron the best player in the league. No, on any
given night, is Lebron the best player in the league.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
His defense right now, it looks like he's twenty seven.
It's insane. His energy better than Luca. His shooting right
now better than Luca, his on ball defense, his scoring.
Lebron at forty years old, has better consistent energy than
any other Laker. Now. Austin Reeves is close. Austin plays
hard all the time. But Lebron's fourth quarter energy, it
(02:30):
doesn't even make sense. His on ball defense right now,
this is the best defense he's played in eight years.
He's a better defender at forty than Luca is at
twenty six. His energy, I'm telling you right now, is
Lebron showing off. And I'll get to Steph in a second.
It feels like Steph is kind of showing off that
Jimmy Butler like listen to old man, you know, and
(02:51):
I feel when Tom Brady beat Mahomes at Arrowhead Stadium
in the AFC Championship and then he beat him in
the Super Bowl, everybody by then was falling in love
and sort of was saying it, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Brady's old Brady.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You know, not a lot left in the tank for
old Tommy. Ma Holmes is the new king, and Brady
beat him twice in Arrowhead and overtime, and then the
Super Bowl, tom Brady reminding you, yeah, it goes through me,
and Lebron is reminding everybody right now, yeah, the West
(03:29):
for ten years, the East went through me ten twelve years,
however long he was over there. Now the West is
going to go through me, so at minimum, And I
understand that Luca got hurt, hadn't played for a long time.
He's playing himself back into shape, like I get it,
and he'll be a better shooter. His jumper right now
is short consistently. That's like Cardio that's legs, his jumper short.
(03:51):
But at forty years old, Lebron James last year had
last year at thirty nine years old, Ron had eighty
four dunks. When Michael Jordan was thirty nine, mj had
twenty one, four times the dunks of a guy known
for dunks, Michael Jordan at the same age. And I
(04:13):
think Lebron this year is better than Lebron last year.
And the other thing is because Ad was traded into Dallas.
Lebron is hyper aware that he has to play better
defense because Luca is a lousy defensive player and Austin
Reeves is limited. So Lebron is like, oh, oh, you
need me to do that too, all right? His defense
(04:33):
is insane. So he's averaging twenty five eight to nine,
that's what That's not the part that's blowing me away.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's the energy in the defense.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And you know this, it's I feel like I've said
this for years. I think the NBA playoffs should be
a three game first round and then five games even
through the finals. I think create urgency. I mean March madness.
College basketball doesn't have much talent and it gets tremendous ratings.
Why there's urgency. I mean, you know, Cooper Flag, take
(05:04):
him off Duke. They got a couple of decent players,
but a Duke game with Cooper Flag against Xavier will
get a better rating maybe than like the Western Conference
or Eastern Conference finals, because it's like you have to watch.
You got two and a half hours. Somebody's out could
be Duke and Cooper Flag. And so I think there
needs to be no more urgency. And I also think
in the NBA regular season, I'd cut it down to
(05:24):
sixty eight games.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Start it six weeks later.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Get away from college and pro football, you know, start
playing Christmas. Start playing Christmas not your first TV game.
Start plan then. So I understand that if you're Lebron,
you're Steph Curry and you're not with a championship team.
You're on a treadmill to nowhere. It is so clear
between Steph and Lebron that these moves have absolutely energized
(05:49):
these guys. And just watch Lebron's defense. It is elite
and he has outplayed aunt, Luka, Kyrie and Jokic in
the last week. He has been the best player on
the floor. And here is uh, here's Lebron after We.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Know we could have been a lot better offensively, but
you know we've been hanging our head on our under
the defensive end. And you know, when you don't shoot
the ball well, you got to be able to get stops.
And they made a ruin. They're really good team. We
saw what they did a couple of nights ago against Okay.
See when it was down big and those young guys
came in, sparked them, give them good energy. So you
know they cut it down to three. I believe at
one point, boy was able to execute. After today, get
(06:30):
some time he stops and was able to come out
with the winner.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So Lebron in February twenty nine and a half points,
ten rebounds, seven and a half assays, shooting fifty five
percent from the floor, forty six percent on three pointers,
and playing elite on ball defense at forty at thirty nine,
he had eighty four dunks. At thirty nine, MJ had
twenty one. Like, you're a watching this is unprecedented. You know,
(06:53):
we're always looking ahead. Don't just live in this moment.
What you're watching doesn't make any sense. It's Brady in Tampa.
It makes no sense that Brady was that year first,
second best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
All right, So I want to give you a update this.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
According to Diana Russini, the Rams are meeting with Matt
Stafford at their facility in person today regarding the future.
So the Raiders and the Giants, and I think the
Raiders are in play here have discussed a two year
contract that includes ninety to one hundred million guaranteed, and
a decision is expected soon. So I was thinking about this.
(07:34):
I think if it's only two years and the Raiders
are not giving you a third, then I would stay
with the Rams and take less. The Rams can get
you to seventy five eighty eighty five, I would take
that over one hundred on a two year deal. If
they're both offering two years, Raiders go to a third
year forty five million, no state tax, I'd probably consider that.
But it's really interesting, and what I'm about to say won't.
(07:57):
You'll think it's ridiculous initially, but just think about the
Rams are not far off from winning a Super Bowl.
They're really close. They had they were driving to beat
Philly in a snowstorm, and that defense got better every
other week. And they're all coming back and they're super talented.
So you're not going to score a lot of points
on the Rams going forward. If they get a corner
(08:19):
in the draft of the first pick or second, they
don't have a hole. That defense is good everywhere and
young and cheap. If Matt Stafford stays and wins a
second Super Bowl. And I know legacies are all about ego,
but if you put fifteen twenty twenty five years into
being a politician, a talk show host, a quarterback, a landscaper,
(08:44):
legacies matter. You want to be remembered fondly, not just
as a husband and as a dad, but what did
you do professionally in your community? If he wins a
second Super Bowl, that's the same as Elway, Peyton, Manning
and Big Ben. But it's more than Aaron Rodgers, Steve
Young and and I've said this for years, Matt Stafford
(09:05):
was better in high school than Aaron Rodgers, much better
in college, better his first four years in the NFL,
and much better now in his last three. Now, there
were ten years where he was in dysfunctional Detroit and
put up a lot of stats, but didn't get much
to the playoffs and do much. And meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers
was in Green Bay, highly functional, great draft and developed organization,
(09:27):
good coaching, and had a better middle of ten years.
But if you had to put Aaron in Detroit and
Matt in Green Bay, I think he has more than
one ring. But my take is legacy matters. If Stafford
wins a second Super Bowl, that means he would go
four to zero in the playoffs in the Super Bowl,
(09:47):
he would have more rings than Aaron. He'd have a
better playoff percentage than Aaron. He would be better late
than Aaron, better early than Aaron. As a former number
one pick, there's a real large ena you take Matt Stafford.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
More super bowls.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I mean super bowls alone are going to get Eli
Manning eventually into the Hall of Fame. And he was
an average regular season quarterback. How a movie ends and
how a quarterback's career ends absolutely shapes how we think
of you. When Brady went to Tampa in one fifty
percent of you watching and listening for years, and I
(10:27):
saw it on Twitter. It's a system quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He left New England.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
One Belichick regressed, Brady is unquestionably the goat. Beat Mahomes
last two times they played. He is head and shoulders
above the crowd. John Elway never forget Lway, Ozero and
three and super bowls got hammered. John can't win the
(10:52):
big game. Last two years, two super Bowl wins with
Terrell Davis the running back, and we viewed him number
two all time to Joe Montange. Peyton Manning goes to Denver.
Let's be honest. He goes to Denver. His reputation was
he's not good in big games. One Super Bowl, Brady
owns him. All of a sudden, he beat Brady in
a playoff game or two wins in Denver. And now
(11:14):
that Brady Manning thing is like, oh eh, Peyton kind
of got the best of him last couple of years.
If Matt Stafford stays, no, you're not getting a ring
with Las Vegas. You're not getting a ring with the Giants,
it makes those franchises respectable and probably winning franchises very quickly.
Matt Stafford has a chance to get to another level
(11:36):
as many Super Bowls as l Way and Peyton Manning
in that class, and more than far of an Aaron Rodgers.
And so to me, when you put I mean, think
about when Matt Stafford started playing football six years old,
seven years old. He's thirty eight years old. He has
given thirty years of his life to football. Number one
(12:00):
high school player, number one pick out of Georgia, had
to endure a lot of nonsense in Detroit. The idea
that if he could get another Super Bowl in the
next two years with the Rams and.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
People, a lot of people would look.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
At him and there's an argument he's better than Steve Young,
Aaron Rodgers, maybe farv. That'd be hard for me to
walk away from. I know, it's just legacy, and a
lot of people think that's vanity. I don't care if
you're a mailman, a quarterback, a politician, a landscaper, a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
It matters. You want to be remembered for committing to something, and.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
When you've been doing it at a high level like Stafford,
you get a wizard away for money in Vegas. That'd
be hard for me. So if the Raiders are not
going to give you three years, I don't care if.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's more money.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think the legacy matters too much to a guy
that's totally been committed to football, sits in the pocket
till the end, takes more shots than almost anybody in
the league. I mean, that's the thing about Stafford and Aaron.
Aaron don't want to get hit anymore. I guess I
get it. Brady didn't want to get in a hit anymore.
Stafford sits there and gets hammered every Sunday. Some part
of him is always banged up or bleeding. He has
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committed totally of this career. Be hard to walk away
if I don't get extra years and an extra fifty
to seventy million bucks. All right, j Mac Steph Curry
put on a little.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Clinic last night. He was okay, fifty six, not bad
at all.
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Speaker 1 (14:34):
Tell your friends you want to watch the next twenty
minutes tarn Armstead twelve years in the NFL, A five
time Pro bowler, started with the Saints, went to the Dolphins.
One of the great multi left tackles, pass blocking, run
blocking in the NFL for a long time. Could play
still available. We'll get into that in a second. This
guy's full of personality that, you know what's always interesting.
(14:55):
I'm fascinated by this. How in the hell did you
end up being overlooked by SEC teams? It didn't take
you very long to be good in the NFL. You
went to Arkansas Pine Bluff. I know where Arkansas is.
I don't know where the pine or the bluff is at.
Why were you a late bloomer?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think my area was just overlooked.
Speaker 8 (15:16):
My high school was behind the times as far as exposure,
putting the eyes on guys and getting the tape to
where it was available. You know, I was still VHS,
very very a lot of static.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Look Josh Allen, same thing. Oh really, Joan, I mean
literally didn't get a single college offer.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Played out in the sticks in Northern Calling.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
For same situation.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
Yeah, so if you were watching my film, you would
have to kind of figure out which of those dots
were me and we liked that guy, and that it
didn't happen for me.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Did you know did you go to the combine?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I did?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Okay, When did you know.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm better than that guy? I'm better than that guy? Like,
when did you know I'm gonna play in this league?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I wouldn't say the combine was that situation for me.
Comby helped me get more odds and more exposure. I
had broke the forty yard dash record for the offense
ave lineman ran four sixty five to two, So look
at that. Yeah, So that just helped me get my
name out and got more people to watch my film.
My college film had some static too, but it was
more DVD. It wasn't VHS no more. So it's hard
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to see that too. But Combin helped me tremendously. But
as far as like which guy that I felt like
I could play against for.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I'm better than never really been my thing.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
I went to the East West Shrine game and then
got invited to the Senior Ball the next week. So
those two weeks were probably the most revealing for me
as far as level of talent, because I kept hearing
that through the process your a level of talent that
you played against is going to be different than the
SEC guys.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So first one on one, I'll tell you a quick story.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
First one on one at the senior ball I got
there late a lineup. It's a d M from Georgia.
I don't remember his name, and I'm like, this is
my moment. I jumped at him through his ass five
yards and jumped on them everything like I blacked out
And that was my right then, and there was my
moment of you can do this, you can play at
this level.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I love stories like that.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I love that stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
The you know, it's funny. We were talking during the break.
I love Sean Payton. Sean Payton facetiming last night in
Indy and you played for him for years and he
is very blunt for sure. He and Russell Wilson. Russell's
mister optimism, Shawn's mister authentic honesty.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Like it clashed. Yeah, you didn't like Seawn early.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I didn't.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
I didn't like him at all my first three four years,
but I appreciated him like I appreciated his coaching style.
He's very direct, he was very aggressive, but he wasn't
personable at all, like I couldn't say nothing to him,
couldn't make a suggestion or opinion or anything.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Only time he talked to you was if you messed up.
That was it.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
Like he was not a pat on the back guy
at all. So as a young player coming from Arkansas
pinm Bluff.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I was looking for a little you know what I mean,
a little something.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
But everything that he taught me in those first four years,
it stuck with me, and it taught me what's important
doing your job, execution, play after play, a game after game,
and I couldn't I can't thank the man enough. And
then later on my last five years together, we became
best friends and I love him to death that the
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stories that he has and the moments that we've shared together.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
He went the extra mile for me.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Twenty twenty, during COVID, my brother passed away and we
couldn't travel, so, you know, it was looking like I
wouldn't be able to go to the funeral.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And I'm like, I'm driving if that's the case. It's
middle of the week.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
And Sean called me to his office and he's like,
missus Benson. I told her the situation. We're taking her plane.
We're going to the funeral. I'm like, what do you
mean way, He's like, I'm coming with you. We're going
to the And he came up to my hometown, me
and him, Dan Rochark, he just signed with the Bears
as the O line Coach album Kamara and Latavia's Murray,
and we all went to the funeral together and Sean
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was amongst the people and he helped my family, like
genuinely had people laughing and smiling at really the toughest
time of our lives.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So forever, forever grateful for that man.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
By the way, the somebody said on the staff, they said, hey,
tarn is going to give you crap about Steph Curry
who dropped fifty six last night. What are you going
to say to me? I was very complimentary today have
Steph Curry?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:34):
No, So now that you mentioned it, and it's about
eight years ago that you said this, eight years Yeah,
I've been holding on to it that I've been waiting
for you.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, so eight years.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
I honestly don't even remember what you said. I just
know at the moment I didn't like it, didn't like
it one bit. What I said it was he is
he can he winning championship you know by somelfing he
does he need Swy and Z to do it. It
was it was something crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Just just outraged, and it just bothered you.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It bothered me so bad.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But you know what It's funny about Steph Curry. He
goes to Davidson so none of us watch him small school.
You and him have something in common. He has ankle issues,
ankle issues. He's not very good defensively at all.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
My ankle. My ankle is pretty good. I heard everything
else but ankles were good.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But he was he had to develop into something.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, and there was there were talk they were going
to keep Monte Ellis and and move him like there
that was Jerry west Is like, we're not doing that.
I think I think it was Jerry West or somebody
in the organization. And the truth is is that I
do think the jet fuel to players like you and Curry.
(20:48):
And I've said this about this year's quarterback draft. They're
all getting crushed.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
This is all That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And what makes Curry so great is that he just
he just always works at his craft. And I think
sometimes and I see this a little with Luca. Luca
was so good at sixteen beating European men. He's still
not in good shape. Like what the harder things are
to attain, the more it fuels you for the rest
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of your life. Steph Curry will be competitive golfing at
seventy four because of Davidson.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And going to your life. The fact you were doubted
even today.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Does it tick you because you were I think you
were great, top four, third best, top three tackle last year?
Does it still drive you crazy? Do you feel disrespected
by that?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I do?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
I do?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
And that to your point, it that's what drew me
to Steph Curry. Like to be. To become a fan
of Steph Curry is all the noise.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
And for him to use it as fuel and to
work like to work, to work, to work to become
what he has become. I took the same approach. I
had to work over time to go from Arkansas pinem
Bluff and be a small school, got underachiever, all of
those things whatever to be a five time pro bowler,
all pro.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
And it's still like you say, to this day, was
third rate tackle this year? Whatever whose grays or metrics,
But I just always got to prove myself and I'm
okay with that, because I love the grind, I love
the work, I love getting better, I love the progression.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
It's just a part of who I am.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
NFL is obviously rewarding financially offensive players over defensive players.
But I've said there's a handful of defensive players in
my life. Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald. They're just
different facts. Miles Garrett is pretty close to that, and
my argument is if you give him a winning environment,
he'll play even better. Like Lebron looks better now that
Luke's there, for sure. I mean, Staff's playing better, Jimmy
(22:48):
Butler's there. It's like they're showing up and like, okay,
everybody's watching my games.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
How many times have you faced Miles Garrett and physically
he should have more body fat at that size. Is
he a top matchup even for you?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (23:03):
Yeah, I've played him three times. I would say I
think we played the first time in twenty eighteen. That
is a top three one on one old line versity
line battle. I went and watched it again probably two
months ago. It's a it's a it's a dogfight.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I won. I did it I'm gonna just put that out.
I won.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
But if you go back and watch that game, I
got no help, He got no help. He lined up here,
I line up here, and we went at it for
the entire game twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Go watch that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So the next day when you wake up, be honest
with me, right, is it hard to get out of
bed when you play somebody at that long?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
For sure?
Speaker 8 (23:39):
For sure that you get a physical dog fight like that,
somebody that's really it's like a train wreck.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
For sure. It is.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
You feel every part of it, your neck, back, shoulders,
for sure, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
By the way, Matt Stafford just reached an agreement with
the Rams. Oh wow, so we got the Raiders came
after him. But it was interesting. According to Diana Russini,
the Raiders only offer two years, which is what the
Rams are offering. So the trade speculation talk is done.
The first significant offseason quarterback Domino has fallen. The Rams
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and Stafford, according to Adam Schefter, have reached an agreement
on a restructured deal. My guess is two years. I'm
not sure about the money. Stafford's pretty unique, you know
what I always appreciated about Stafford A lot of these
older quarterbacks don't want to get hit.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Matt will sit in.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
There fearless to the last half second, fearless.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You've hit him a few times. I mean you've hit him.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You've been in games against Stafford are there is there
a secret code the quarterbacks Like Breeze was a smaller
quarterback as he got older, tell me what it's like
to protect like Tua, we got concussions. He don't want
to get You don't want to get hit. Do you
feel a responsibility because of Tua's concussions? Does that add
(24:57):
pressure to you?
Speaker 8 (24:58):
It's pressure playing that for position anyway, being being the
front line, Like I had two smaller quarters.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I've had two smaller quarterbacks my career, Drew Brees and Tua.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Thos been your guys guy. By the way, Tua Breeze
is TOAs com.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
For sure, for sure, and for a good reason too.
It is not It is not for nothing. He's he
is that from that claw. So the stressful part and
it's real life stress, Like it's anxiety that goes on
in past protection.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That's like the worst thing in the world is to
get your quarterback hit.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
To me, so if I give up a sack like,
no matter how played for the rest of the game,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
My day is ruined. It's ruined. I get the quarterback hit.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Only gave up three last year.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
I don't think two of those are on me, So
we got to go back and watch the film. Yeah,
that's a lot of factors goes into that.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Is there a guy in the league that gave you
more trouble and he wasn't a high draft pick?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, you know, we've always said.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
This, There are guys in the NBA they have maybe
a weird body or whatever. But if you ask players
are like, I mean, I remember Dominique Wilkins telling me,
he goes, I love playing Mr. I did not sleep
playing Bernard King. Bernard could just say I'm scoring fifty
four tonight, he goes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I couldn't stop him. He goes, I hated playing it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Is there a guy in the league that you're like
because Max Crosby talks a lot of trash he does,
and he's a fourth I think he's a fourth rounder.
Is there a guy in the league that you maybe
don't sleep quite as well the night before?
Speaker 8 (26:24):
No, I would say I feel the same way as
as Dominique like, I would rather block Miles Garrett and
Max Crosby.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Wow, I would, I will. It's the it's the guy
that just got elevated off practice squad. I'm terrified of him.
I'm scared to death. He is. He's in his stands,
he got his his leg is shaken.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
God damn, he's about to rush with everything in his
being intimidating.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
No, No, the scouts, who you talk?
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Who's the tactic squad guy that's that just got elevated
this week.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
They told him on wins that hey, you're gonna play
this week.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
You might not get me terrified.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
I'm fearful. Yeah, I don't want to see him. Give
me Max, give me Miles Garrett. Yeah, with that practice squad,
I got it.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Just called up. I don't want no smokers, young man.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
He's got nothing but energy.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Nothing but energy.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
He's gonna run through my face mask over and over
and I throw him to the ground. But I'm like
supposed to. So it's like, you know what I mean,
he gonna get up and do it again. Would I
want to see him?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You've made your money, you can retire today, but you
play outside of quarterback, the most important position in the sport.
If a good team called you up and said, dude,
two years would you would you go play?
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I'm on a good team, so no, so you wouldn't
you were not gonna play. I'm on a good team
already know. But I mean, so nobody else can.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Call me you would you? This is it?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I'm a yeah, Dolphins only.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But you're you're you're kind of pausing.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I'm not. I think it's natural pauses in a conversation.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's money? So what do you do now? You're how
old are you? Thirty? Okay, you got you got some money.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You've had a career.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, what do you do? What is an Can most
people retire? I'm sixty and still working. The average person
great man sixty five, sixty six, you're thirty three and
can wrap it up? What do you do?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I weigh my options, right.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
I feel like being in the league for so long,
having a successful career and done and I've done well financially,
it gives me cushion in room to make a decision
like this and to see if I want to continue
to go out and compete in pursuit of a championship.
That's the goal, like that honestly, honestly speaking, that is
that's the goal. So there's a lot of factors that
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goes into that. A lot of health for sure. But
then kids, my kids getting older, my twin girls about
to be teenagers. Pray for me please, So those type
of things are factors for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
The Dolphins have been incredible and Grace will allow me
this time. I know you've seen the contract restructure that
we we just came to. It worked well for all parties.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
It allowed me a little bit more time to think
and allowed them to do whatever they need to do
necessary to improve the tea.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
It made you an offer the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Have you said structure funny? Yeah, yeah, we restructure. Yeah,
you haven't signed it, not physically.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Are you going to Yeah? Again, you're pausing. What does
that mean?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You're pausing when I asked you, are you going to
sign the contract?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
What the restructure is? It's like I took my projected
salary down to minimum.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
Okay, So it allows the Dolphins to do with the
new space cap space to do.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Whatever they need to do to improve the team.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
It allows me the time to make a decision whether
I want to keep planning or not. So if I'll decide,
hey we're doing this, I'm locking in, let's go, then
we have another conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay, Matt Stafford broke news. You could do it right
after I could.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I want to let Matt have his day? Would I
be to take his shine? And then they only talking
about me today? You know? All right?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know you've you've had Sean Payton's intensity as a coach,
Dan Campbell's almost he's a player, and now you've got
this wizard this like m I t Mike McDaniel. Be
honest about Mike McDaniel. First time you saw him, did
you say he's gonna stand in front of us?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
He's a little bit different?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Right? No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
My first time I saw him was I was on
a visit, so it was it was one on one
and he just came in.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He came in with energy. Man, he was he was excited.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
He had just got there three or four days before,
you know what I mean, So he didn't know where
his pans.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And yeah, he is, for sure, he's he's different.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
He's different, but that's okay because he's it's genuinely him and.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
That's what I appreciate is not a front, is not
an act.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
It's it's him, and you spend time with him, you'll
see that and you have a d for appreciation for him.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Tarron Armstead, you know you're always welcome.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
You can always come by the show.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
You come to my show too. I don't have one yet,
but one day when I do. You let me tell
you that.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Free to come through.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
It's a dead end career. There's no reason to do this.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You hang out with your beautiful twin daughters. Are they athletes?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
What are they? Yeah? Basketball players?
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Best sixth grade team in the country, going AU Nationals again.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, back to back, we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
What do you weigh right now? By the way, that's personal.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
What do you weigh about two eighty five?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
What do you play at to ninety eight three hundred?
That's a light tackle for you to be that good
at that.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Weight, appreciate it strong.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
What do you This is a weird question. If I
said max reps bench, what do you bench? This is
it's a weird question.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
What's bench?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I'm not benching no more. You don't bench, no, not
max rep.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
No, No, You're just doing light stuff, trying to keep tone.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, I get what I need to get in a
lot of pilates and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Really about that, course, Dan, how about that?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, that's when I grab him. Yeah, no getting away.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, Matt Stafford is signed with the Rams. We'll say
it again. Uh, congrass, Yeah, that's that's so.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
We said.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
We thought the Raiders were in play, but in the
end the Rams wanted that first Raiders pick and probably
a second, and the Raiders said that's a little bit
too much. So Stafford whose legacy again, if you give
him a second super Bowl, that's l way, That's Peyton Manning,
that's big Ben. Don't forget how a quarterback's career ends
goes a long way in forming that legacy. Right now,
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Stafford's considered great. He becomes an all time great with
a second Super Bowl, and the Rams are in that
short little window where they could do it.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
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Speaker 1 (32:54):
All Right, once again, the breaking news happened thirty twenty
five minutes ago. Matt Stafford staying with the Rams new
contract couple years. I guess one hundred million guaranteed two years.
J Max says a little tastier than that. I do
not know if you're the New York Giants or reportedly
now they will shift their attention to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
My take is I got him with the Rams, and
I got Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
With the Jets. Like those two I get.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I'm not sure if he wants to go to another
franchise that can't get attacked together. That is an ugly
way to end it for Aaron Rodgers. I think I
would call it a career if the Giants is the
only thing I had.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
I remember that Dabel historically likes mobile quarterbacks. Josh Allen,
Daniel Jones, Rogers is at mobile. I don't think he
fits what the Giants really want to do. Can you
turn him into a pocket passer when you can't protect
the quarterback? Their offensive line is one of the worst
in league. Thomas was good, but other than.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
That and very shaky. I think the Raiders kind of
become interesting here.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Would he work with the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like, Yeah, they don't want Davonte Adams back, do they
so that's kind of a weir.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
That would be awkward, and maybe Devanta Adams kind of
poisoned the Raiders for Rogers knowing what's going on in
the organization, although some things have changed obviously, right.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I just got my first taste
the last two years of a dysfunctional operation. I want
to I want to go to one that's even worse.
I mean, at least the Jets have a roster that's redeemable.
The Jets have some players, and Aaron played well down
the stretch, even the left tackle, who I like a
lot for the Giants. He's had health issues. Yeah he
(34:36):
gets better, Thomas gets banged up.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
But Pittsburgh Steelers in Aaron rodgersics.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Doesn't fit at all at all. Culturally, it just doesn't
work at all. They can't get their O line right.
It's all about defense, Prima Donna, wide receiver stuff like.
I don't think Pittsburgh and Aaron fit at all.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I don't know where he goes.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I think Vegas or Bust, but I'm not. And you
can say, well, why would he because it's closer West.
It's Pete Carroll, it's Chip Kelly, it's Brock Bowers. They've
got their left tackle. I think the Raiders actually have
some really good pieces. Go watch them play. Go watch
the replays of those Kansas City Raider games with bad
quarterback play. They went toe to toe with the Chiefs
(35:18):
in Arrowhead. So I don't Aaron Rodgers giants.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I just do not see that. I don't. I think
Aaron could call a career going out with this scilice.
I wouldn't want to.
Speaker 9 (35:33):
But is there a quarterback he could shove out? Maybe
in Seattle? Would you dump Gino Smith and get on
board with Aaron Rodgers? Does that keep dk DK metcalf around.
There's a lot of chatter about him and Lockett maybe
being done in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
They could be in.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Flux all Worth discussion. But Stafford is a ram live
in Lance.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
The hurt
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