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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Little weekend mail Bag? I got a million questions, try
(00:24):
to get to a lot of them over the course
of the week, and that is what I will do today.
So Little middle Cooff Mailbag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram.
Fire in those dms, get your questions answered here on
the show, Colin and I will do a podcast one
of my I'm recording this on Friday, so we will
(00:45):
record on Sunday afternoon Sunday night. A lot of rumors
flying around the old National Football League right now with
player movement, saw a DK Metcalf potential trade, so we
got a lot going on, and the rumors and the stories.
We'll keep on flying out of Indianapolis. At the NFL Combine,
(01:06):
I always say, like combine so boring. And the last
night I'm glued to it on my couch watching three
hundred and ten pound men run around little cones and
run forties. It's entertaining to me. I'm not gonna lie.
But other than that, if you listen on Collins Feed,
make sure you subscribe to the Three and Out podcast.
This is audio only, but we got a YouTube channel,
so fire on that YouTube channel, and yeah, let's start
(01:29):
with some questions. We'll try to do a little rapid
fire here. Jacob, what's the deal with the tush push?
I don't understand why they would get rid of it.
It's football. The whole game is predicated on imposing your
team's will against the other. Help this spud farmer from
Idaho understand what the rationale is. I'm sure he's a
(01:51):
Cooper Degene and Caitlin Clark fan. I guess that's Iowa,
not Idaho. Maybe you're a Doug Nustmeyer fan. He was
a quarterback back in the early nineties. That I do know. Mike,
you potty, I would say this, if the Eagles had
just gone seven to ten seven and ten seven and
ten seven and ten aka the Falcons, and they had
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the tush push, no one would care. It would not matter.
I promise you that it just would not be a
major story. But when you dominate, and when you win
the Super Bowl and you've won your conference twice in
three years, it's no different than most industries. There are
a lot of companies right now doing things that would
(02:33):
really piss off the government, their competition if they were
bigger and once you get to a certain level, i e. Google, Facebook,
you name it, people start coming after you. So I
think the Eagles with them winning, right, if they are,
let's just pick another team. If they were the New
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York Giants running the Tush push and that was their
play the last under Brian Dable, no one would be
talking about this. But when you win the Super Bowl,
it just becomes like it's unfair. I mean, the Patriots
dealt with stuff like this forever. It's just part of
the deal. Let's let's face it. If you're gonna be
a winner in life, if you're gonna be successful, especially
(03:17):
financially in most businesses, people are gonna come after you.
That's the way the world works. It's kind of sad,
but it's just it's just a reality. It's no different
in football. It really isn't. So I'm with you. I
don't really have It doesn't bother me like it's it's
I've seen other teams attempt to do it and they
don't do it as well. Right, And I do agree
(03:39):
with Sirianni of like that they do take that play
pretty seriously, coaching it up fundamentally, and that they have
the uh. I mean they have the X factor that
their quarterback squats like nine pounds. I would imagine I
think about this, but there's probably currently not a stronger
quarterback in terms of his life in the NFL, you know,
(04:02):
and even like over the last twenty years. You pick
a guy like Cam Newton, who's probably pound for pound,
you know, the strongest, most powerful quarterback in NFL history.
He's so tall that part of the play is he
can get low. We just saw Josh Allen, who's like
a Cam Newton better version. It's hard for him to
get low. I mean, part of that play is Jalen disappears.
(04:25):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I mean, I I'm not that worked up over it,
but I get if I was, like lived in Philadelphia,
I'd actually kind of enjoy this because this type stuff
that the big dogs deal with.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Like I said, this is the stuff the Patriots tell
with forever. People are always taking shots to the Yankees,
the Lakers like this is That's a good thing. Another
question about the Eagles. Do you think the position of
OC for the Eagles is going to become less important
as Jalen becomes more and more comfortable at the line
of scrimmage with Kelzer retiring this year, he got more
responsibility in the line. As you saw the season go,
(05:01):
you saw his confidence commanding the offense increase. I feel
like that confidence is going to continue and grow. Eventually
he'll be able to be like an OC on the field. Yeah.
I mean I listen being the offensive coordinator, and I
think I saw a stat you know, if you think
about it. He had a bunch of offensive coordinators in Alabama.
(05:23):
He then transferred to Oklahoma, which obviously a new offensive
coordinator in Lincoln Riley. And then he has had in Philadelphia.
He's had Doug Peterson, He's had Nick Sirianni, then Shane Sichin,
then Brian Johnson and Kellen Moore and now whoever Potolo
(05:47):
I just counted on my hand. I mean, you're you're
talking six plus coordinators in a five year NFL career,
Like it is difficult. Now. I don't think much is
going to change for the Eagle. So this transition is
pretty easy. But it's not as easy as the way
you make it out to be, don't I don't think.
And here's the other thing, Like Jalen, I say this
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all the time about the NFL, and this is the
best part about sports, Like it's either win or you lose,
so like that, there's no revisionist history. It's like, well
they got really close again. They lost in the first round, right,
I won the Super Bowl, But they were coming down
the home stretch in some trouble there against the Rams,
(06:29):
and I just pulled up that box score. Matt Stafford,
who wants way more money than the Rams are willing
to pay him, through for three hundred and twenty four
yards and two touchdowns in that game. Jalen Hurts was
fifteen to twenty four one hundred and thirty yards, So like,
what if they would have lost that game, But that's
the point of sport. They didn't, so who cares? And
(06:51):
that game gets forgotten and then all we remember the
last two games where he dominated. So I just think that,
you know, it's part of the way that we discussed
this whole thing, and it's why I hate, like coaches
love doing this and the average guy when he says
it's one thing if Andy Reid wants to say it,
you know, or the top guys, but like when the
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dude drafting seventh overall in the draft, that coach for
like three straight years hasn't had a winning record. He's like,
we're a process oriented thing. It's like now that this
business is about results. The reason everyone wants to know
about Nick Saban's process is because he was winning championships,
so he could talk about the process. Like Jeff Bezos,
his process is interesting because he created the biggest company
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of all time Steve Jobs whoever? Right, But no one
wants to hear about the process unless you want to
know how not to fail. About the guy that went
bankrupt four times? You know, I think we gotta be
careful about that. But listen, you win, you get to
dictate the terms, and I think Jalen is gonna have
a lot of positive momentum coming into the season. In
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your scouting days or even when you were around the league,
was there a player that comes to mind that didn't
have the greatest measurables or physical traits but was an
absolute baller And you could tell immediately. You know, people
forget this because he's I mean, honestly, he's insanely famous
right now. But when Jason Kelcey came into the NFL,
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he was I just pulled up his pre draft measurables again,
this guy's a center. Now a lot has changed, I
would say, and even at the time, but it was
really hard to play offensive line if you weren't three
hundred plus pounds. When he went to the combine, he
was two hundred and eighty pounds. Now, what he had
(08:39):
really going for him is he ran basically a four
nine forty in his ten yard split. Like he was
really athletic. He was a freak show, but he was small,
and a lot of people like he wasn't like a
second round center. When you look at some of the
guys the Eagles have that that have taken over. You know,
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Cam Jurgens was a second round pick. Landon Dickerson second
round pick. So the two guys that I know, Dickerson's
technically a guard, but if he has to, he can
play center. I mean those guys. Landon Dickerson, for example,
is six foot five, basically sixty six, three hundred and
thirty pounds. Cam Jurgens is. Cam Jurgens is you know,
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Jason Kelcey six y three, but he's three hundred pounds,
so he's twenty pounds heavier at the same spot and
as athletic, Jason was really small relative to the rest
of the league. That's why he went in the sixth round.
But Howard Mudd, who had come from Peyton Manning. You
know Peyton, they they really were able to take a
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lot of like random offensive linemen and be really successful. Now,
a huge part of that was because Peyton could like
get rid of the ball extremely quick and was like
basically an offensive coordinators. That was a player, very unique situation.
But Howard was an elite offensive line coach and liked
the small, quick guys. But Jason was really small and
(10:10):
a lot of people didn't think he would be able
to hold up. And then in training camp he won
the starting job so and then never looked back. Was
a starting center for the Eagles for what year was
at twenty eleven for the next twelve thirteen years, and
clearly got better with age. Now part of it, I
think he got stronger and bigger, and even he said
(10:31):
and listen, this is another thing. And I think Baker
Mayfield is kind of the modern Jason. Jason was a
pretty big party, I don't want to say screw around guy,
but was like early on in his career, big party guy.
He was young, and I mean a lot of guys
in the NFL are. But if you look at his career,
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he didn't start. He was a good player and became
an immediate starter. But even I think I heard him
on a podcast say this like they were a trader
room at the end of the Chip Kelly beginning of
the Doug Peterson era, he started making Pro Bowls. Think
about this. Jason Kelce was drafted in twenty eleven and
began starting immediately. He did not make a Pro Bowl
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till twenty fourteen, so several years into his career, but
he became a high end like first team All Pro
twenty seventeen. And even he says it's because of his wife.
So he met his wife, started having children and it
changed his career. I think when I look at Baker Mayfield,
you know, it looked like battled some stuff maturity wise,
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got in a serious relationship, got married, had a child.
Now is a fucking stud. I mean, I don't know
what's Baker top seven eight quarterback in the NFL, and
on given weeks, I mean, can be one of the
best players in the NFL. So I think sometimes you
just see like this guy's gonna play in the NFL
right away, and some guys depending on the positions, Like
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you need the pa ads on. So it's sometimes hard
to tell in training camp, right, But I remember like
the forty nine ers, Like I think sometimes you're asking
questions like Khalil Mack shows up or Amari Cooper shows
up or you know whoever. George Kittle was a guy.
But George Kittle, the Iowa offense is terrible. He's a
freak physically. I remember who Funga, who is a free
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agent right now. You know, fell to the third day
of the draft out of usc because a lot of
people didn't think he had a position. It's like, well,
he's not big enough to play linebacker and he's not
fast enough to play safety, and then he started playing football.
You're like, this guy's a good football player. He's battled
injuries the last couple of years, but like went healthy,
Like he's a really really good player. He just can't
stay healthy. So I think sometimes you just don't know
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until the pads come on. We gotten a lottery for
the Masters and got tickets for a practice day. Any
recommendations on which hole to sit and watch? Big Florida
Gator fan, how do you think they're going to beat
this upcoming year. Well, I've never been to Augusta, so
I you know, the way I would approach it would
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I would be walking all over the course, and I
know based on people discussing it, it's not the flattest course,
so it's it can be a challenging walk. I would
take in every hole. I would walk every blade of grass,
you know, like Belichick's used to say, we are going
to defend every blade of grass. That's how I would
(13:27):
approach Augusta. I would start a hole one, and I
would work my way through eighteen holes, and then I'd
probably work backwards. I would check out the entire property
and everywhere I could go, I would go, especially a
practice round, I would do less sitting at a spot,
and I would be roaming. I would treat that thing
like a like a pike, and I would never stop
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moving beside to slam some sandwiches and some bruskis. The Gators,
I do believe this. I think they were one of
the hottest teams in the country down the stretch. And
I think if they would have got in the playoffs
and matched up against some some teams, like could they
have beat Ohio State? No, but like could they have
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given Notre Dame or Penn State a game. Would Indiana
have beat Florida at the end of the season, No
fucking chance. So I think Florida, I think it's fair
to go. Could we win nineteen games next year? Now
I'd be lying, you know, from a roster standpoint if
I'm like comfortable, like you're too deep. I don't know that,
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But clearly that young quarterback's good and you know physically
like you guys have some talent. Like watching that game
against ole Miss, I was impressed. So props to Napier
for saving his job and honestly just building up a
lot of positive momentum. You know. One thing I was
I having drinks with them where we talk on the phone.
(14:54):
I think we were talking on the phone a scouting
buddy of mine who knows all these programs really really
well and is very very close with a lot of
coaches in the South and especially the save in Tree,
and he said, you know, the sad thing, and this
is when it looked like Billy was going to get fired.
He's like, if you go into the floor to program
and if you talk to people around the program like
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they're doing it the right way. The way the program structured,
the way they recruit, the way they run practice, the
way they the way from the top down they run
the program. It just hasn't translated to wins. But like
from a football standpoint, everyone that goes through there is impressed,
and finally down the stretch they started getting results. So yeah,
(15:40):
I think the hard part is sometimes with the SEC
schools is if you get a guy like Billy Napier
and his momentum doesn't snowball in a positive way, immediately
people go, how are we gonna beat because there's so
many famous coaches, like how are we gonna beat Kirby Smart,
how are we gonna beat Lan Kiffen, How are we
ever going to be? When Sabin was there, We're not
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on their level right, And then all of a sudden
he gets the ball moving in the right direction. You
just it's a hard leak. I mean, it really is.
So I'm rooting for the guy, but I don't know
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Speaker 1 (17:53):
This is a question about the Saints. Uh, we've been
awful year after year, even though our division is a joke.
I don't see this team being good for another three years.
Can the Saints? What can the Saints do to make
the playoffs next year? I do think if they can
just stay healthy, they can be a competitive team. And
I actually don't know if that division's really going to
(18:13):
be a joke for long. You know the way the
Panthers played down the stretch like they were a real
football team. Now, are they a nine to ten win team? No,
they have a long way to go. Hell yeah, But
like the team that started playing when Bryce came back,
that was a real NFL team before they felt like
one of the biggest jokes of all time. So I
(18:34):
do think that. You know, the Falcons, I don't buy
into them, but like they got real players and they
can be competitive. I mean there's a reason they win
seven eight games every year, Like they're not like a
three win team and Tampa's just good. So I would
just say stay healthy, and they need Derek. You know,
Derek's had two or three really good years in his career,
(18:56):
and they can get one more out of them. Yeah,
they compete for a wildcard spot. If they can't, they'll
they'll suck. I got this question, and I don't think
I saved it. And sometimes things get lost in the
shuffle on Instagram. Is someone asked you know for years
and I remember this conversation happened a lot when I
was a kid, like, could the worst NFL teams of
the last twenty thirty years? Could the best college football
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team right like USC and the peak of their powers
Miami and the peak of their powers LSU that went
twenty nineteen, whatever their record was, fifteen and er, Is
there any chance they could beat them? And the pushback
has always been no chance. They got twenty two pros
and that team does not. And I understand that argument.
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I do think if you look at a team that
goes like one in fifteen or two and fourteen or
zero to sixteen or one in seventeen or whatever at
the start of the year, could that team beat them? No,
because they do have a lot of pros on the
team and they are just going to be healthier and physical.
But if you get that version of the great college
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football teams that are full of I don't know, let's
say eighty percent of their roster aren't just pros, but
like a lot of those guys are going to be
Pro Bowlers and ten year starters. And if you look
at a team that's going to win one or two
games past like October November, when they've had a bunch
of injuries and they are playing with guys you've never
(20:27):
heard of and guys that are not going to be
in the NFL long, I do think that could be
interesting and I wouldn't put it past now. The difference, too, is,
let's use twenty nineteen when you go, well, they got
Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and Justin Jefferson. How like those
guys would be able to score on everybody. Yeah, well,
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those guys in college, like Jamar Chase now is now
he was damn good in college, but he's dramatically better now.
Same thing with Justin Jefferson. So you're not getting like
Minnesota Vikings year five Justin Jefferson right, or year five
Jamar Chase, you're getting the twenty year old version, so
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you kind of got to factor that into I don't
think people quite realize to like how much better, Like
Miles Garrett was the number one overall pick and he
was an elite prospect, he is in a different stratosphere
in terms of how good he is at football year six, seven,
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eight than he was at twenty years old. Then that
goes for any player. I'm feeling lost and confused as
a Giants fan. I feel as though we're in a
similar model to the Eagles, not overthinking it and investing
in the trenches from blue chip schools with Evan Neil
and Thibodeau. When we draft those guys, they turned out
to be mid but I'm sure if either fell to
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the Eagles it would be another all time steal and
a genius move by Howie. How much is drafting town
on evaluation versus culture and players end up the solution
for the Giants moving forward? I'd be lying if I
can give you like a breakdown on Evan Neil, but
I would say the Kevon Thibodeau, like I did not
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think he was some game changing prospect, that he was
pretty stiff. Uh, He's not like a bend the edge guy.
So to me, those type players tend to look more
like Cleveland Ferrell Solomon Thomas. Doesn't mean he can't play
in the NFL for a long time, but you draft
him in the top seven to eight picks, you're expecting TJ.
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Watt or JJ Watt or Miles Garrett or some of
these guys. It's just you know, I know, Chase Young
got injured, but the guy he became was just like
a powerful, straight line guy. You can only do so
much when that's your style. And I think that's cave On,
Like he's talks a big game, but he's just kind
of an average player, and I don't think he has
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like a great skill set to be a Pro Bowl,
all pro level impact, you know, huge money guy. And
I think when they took him, like I would say
this about like let's use Saquon or Molik neighbors. Like
those guys are elite prospects, and that's who you want
to draft really high. Now we can argue about taking
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a running back that high, but like Saquon was an
elite prospect. Every Giants fan knew that immediately. Like this
guy's a freak town. Same thing with Malik. You watch Kvon,
You're like, I don't know. I mean, I'm old enough
to remember when you guys used to take Jpp. Well,
Jpp was a freak. He was strong, he could bend,
he was huge. Like I I think sometimes you just take,
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you know, you force a position. And I'm telling you,
I think you put Kavon on the ravenge on the Eagles.
Maybe he's a little better, but you're not getting some
all pro. So I would push back a little bit
on that. Been listener for years. My question is do
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you see the greatest college quarterback of all My question
for you is who do you see the greatest college
quarterback of all time? Ass I'm not talking stats, but
more so impact, winning a championship and being borderline unstoppable.
I might be biased being an Auburn fan, but Cam
Newton will always be ranked above Tim Tebow or Joe
Burrow based on what he did with that Auburn team
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that was not going anywhere. The defense was very talented,
but compared to who Tim Tebow was throwing the ball
to and the overall talent of the team, plus Urban
was as coach, it's obvious just debating your opinion. Yeah,
if you just say who did the most impressive thing
with the least, I mean Cam Newton dragging a team
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that did not have that many pros to a national
championship in the SEC was remarkable. But I would say
this about Cam because everything that happened at Florida, like
he was a true blue Chipper, you know, urban Meyer
recruited him there, so it wasn't like he was this
little engine that could, like you know, Johnny was a
(25:09):
little more little engine that could and was just remarkable
in college. I mean, Cam should have been at Alabama
or Florida and you guys were able to pull him
and what he did was I mean, I'll never forget
was his first or second year, probably like his third
year going to a Niner game at Candlestick and I
(25:30):
just like, I'm gonna go to Cam Newton's postgame press conference.
I think they just beat the Niners. This was when
Harbaugh was there and seeing Cam Newton in person and thinking,
this guy looks like a Lebron James. This guy is enormous.
So I think when you look at Joe Burrow, I
mean he's playing with Jamar Chase and justin Jefferson. I mean,
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those two guys, let's face it, should both go to
the Hall of Fame. Long way to go, a lot
of production to be had, but those two guys are
Hall of Fame talents. And you go back like when
I was grown, Like you said, t Bow, I mean,
those Florida teams were some of the best teams of
all time in terms of just every player was going
to the pros and getting drafted high. Same thing with Lionert, right,
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Lioner played because the Liner's record is hard to beat.
Even Kellen Moore, who I think is probably one of
the more underrated college players of all time. Look at it.
I mean, Kellen Morre's college stats are pretty insane, like
they you know, part of with Lionert, who was an
unreal college player and really clutch. They ran the ball
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a lot. I mean, they had arguably the best backfield
in all of college football. Kellen Moore his last couple
of years, well, he started as a freshman, but his
sophomore year thirty nine touchdowns, three picks, his junior year
thirty five touchdowns, six picks, his senior year forty three touchdowns,
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nine picks. Overall, one hundred and forty two touchdowns and
twenty eight interceptions. I think it's like a five to
one ratio there. And the one thing, obviously, their schedule
is a little easier in some of the big boys.
They beat everybody that they weren't supposed to beat from
Georgia to Oregon multiple times. They were upsetting people left
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and right. I think Kellen Moore is an underrated name. Yeah,
I mean cam Newton's clearly one of the greatest college
had one of the great college seasons in the history
of the sport. Living in Zach, I work at El
Maserra Country Club. See hi to a man named Jeff
Middlecoff who is a little country club member up there,
(27:41):
plays a little golf. Have been a Cowboys fan my
whole life. When you look at the best run organizations
in the league, there is a constant thread of having
a great GM quarterback and owner who is not medaling.
Can you realistically see the Cowboys getting back to the
Super Bowl to Super Bowl contention in the next five
(28:02):
to ten years? And you guys haven't made the championship
game Super Bowl. You guys haven't made it past the
second weekend of the playoffs in twenty five years. Actually
thirty years, right, because the last time ninety six. It's
twenty twenty. Yeah, thirty years, three decades have not been
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to the conference championship game. Think just let's just pick
your division. The Eagles have won been to two Super
Bowls in the last three years. The Giants seven and
eleven have won multiple Super Bowls. So those two teams
have a combined four Super Bowls since two thousand and seven.
And you guys haven't been in a conference championship game
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since nineteen ninety six. Even the Commanders this year went
to the conference championship game. It's pretty nuts, it really is.
So I would say no, like I my days of
betting on the Cowboys are over because I did pick
you guys. I listened from out in Australia. Love your stuff.
(29:05):
I know you love golf. What is your golf handicap?
I'd be shocked if it wasn't single figures. Yeah, I
mean technically on paper it's like a four right now.
But I've embraced golf. Of as long as I shoot
anywhere from seventy five to eighty five, I'm just having
a good time. I'm not a competitive golfer. Beside gambling
on golf with whoever I'm playing with, I just try
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to enjoy it when I'm hot, make a couple of birdies,
have a good time. When I'm shooting in the mid eighties, whatever,
Just put a smile on your face, have a double vodka.
So I would say the key to my I don't
let golf work me up at all anymore. Single digit
sounds more impressive. I mean, I've been playing thirty years.
(29:47):
A question for the pot, I've been curious to know
your opinion of the state of the NBA. Personally, I
think it's the worst it's ever been due to for
many reasons. I actually, you know, talking to Colin about
this last week and how baseball and the NBA are
actually basically the same thing, except the NBA gets an
outsized amount of coverage on television, and a big part
(30:10):
of that is because ESPN's in bed with them, and
I think a lot of the guys on Fox Sports
won like basketball. Steph Curry went for fifty six points
last night, and I watched the highlights. He was just
I mean, it was just vintage Steph. I think the
NBA is in major trouble when Steph Curry and Lebron
(30:31):
James retire. And the problem is Lebron James is forty
and Steph Curry is thirty seven. So even if they
are on like a Tom Brady like run here, which
it does feel, both guys are still fucking elite that
they're not going to be around that much longer. And
I was talking about this with a buddy the other day.
I was actually at the gym this morning, got up early,
(30:52):
take the dog. She had to go to the groomer,
dropped her off like seven, went to the old the village,
got a sweat on, and I'm looking up because they
got TVs up on the wall like most gyms. You know,
A couple were on the news channels and ESPN and
ESPN two are honored Stephen A. Smith. I look at
the you know, the ticker or like whatever the headline
(31:14):
is below them. It's like, could Anthony Edwards be the
face of the league. I think the casual sports fan
knows absolutely nothing about Anthony Edwards. I'm talking about a
guy that like is into sports, and the amount of
games they have seen Anthony Edwards play over the last
several years is really small. And the equivalent of Anthony Edwards,
(31:36):
a guy who's twenty two to twenty three years old
several years into his career, really good player. Let's use
when I was a kid in like the mid to
late nineties, would have been like Alan Iverson, Kobe Bryant,
Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan. I could be wrong on this,
but in my opinion, I think those guys at the
same point in time were dramatically more famous and bigger deals.
(31:59):
So what I'm saying is that's a problem for the NBA.
Is the league as long as the Warriors and Lakers
like win some playoff rounds, the league will be okay
because the ratings will be pretty good, right, But if
those guys disappear, Like listen, I think Jolkic is one
of the best basketball players I've ever watched, the consumers
just not watching him, and the Celtics just don't do
(32:21):
that much for people, Like no one's watching the CAFs
and they're awesome. I think the NBA is in major trouble,
not financially. They signed this big deal and they're gonna
get paid. I don't know how these networks are gonna
make their money back. Now you could argue Amazon doesn't
really care, but I think that if I was Steph
Curry and Lebron James and the league just signed this
(32:43):
enormous deal, like I'm probably worth half of that and
I'm not even gonna be around for the majority of it,
that's a problem. They used to just be able to
cycle in new stars. I think part of it is
the international game. Like Luca's story is really really big
and people have watched him play, but him not being
American is a problem. I mean part of the growth
(33:07):
of the NBA. You know, by the time I kind
of came into my sports watching early mid nineties, Magic Johnson,
Larry Birder were already gone, but like they were the
people that really drove the NBA right, and then Michael
Jordan took the torch and took it to even higher levels.
What do all three have in common? All American born,
(33:27):
American born stars. It's just not the same with jokichin Luca,
it's just not hell Nico Harrison, former agent guy Shoe Deal,
hated that Luca drank beer. It's like Nico, who gives
a fuck. Michael Jordan used to drink a twelve pack
playing golf with Jeremy Ronick and then score forty. It's
(33:47):
like this guy carried your ass in the NBA finals.
Like sometimes as a GM, you have this preconceived notion
of like what's right and wrong? Like this guy's European.
Have you ever been to Europe? They drink like multiple
glasses of wine at lunch and then go have a nap.
Cultures are different. The only thing I care about is like,
on any given game, can the guy score forty and
beat whoever we're playing in any given moment? It's like, well,
(34:11):
I like this guy because he works out harder. Give
me a break. But I mean, I think when your
two best players, you could argue the three best players
in the NBA are like Jokic, Luca and Yannis. I mean,
it's just this isn't the EuroLeague. This American basketball, and
(34:36):
it hurts. I mean, Ethan Strauss been writing about this
for a long time, like Americans like rooting for Americans.
I think Haylen Clark's a pretty big deal. Like she
feels like the most fun women's basketball player I've ever watched.
It would not be the same if she was from Lithuania.
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Been listening for a couple of years, also out here
in Arizona and wondering where the Cardinals will go from here.
I like Kyler, and I think a lot of people
underrate him, but the same thing. At the same time,
it's frustrating how inconsistent he is, especially since the Cardinals
(36:47):
have some nice offensive talent around them. Do you think
this is who he is at some point? Or there's
still growth to be had and the roster will keep improving.
You know, I saw that John and it Is press
conference made a comment. I just pulled it up. It
says I'm not gonna make any power statements, but he
(37:10):
meaning Kyler, is gonna have a hell of a year.
So I think there have been some some light rumors
and maybe it's just people throwing it out there, like
could they trade Kyler Murray and who knows. I guess
he could be building up his trade value. But I
thought this at the end of the year last year.
Is Kyler ever going to be a top seven eight quarterback?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
But what makes him pretty unique is that on individual
days he can just beat Team X and that could
be the best team in the league. Like he can
just beat the Rams, the Eagles, whoever. And that's what
makes him a pretty frustrating player. I think at five
nine years always gonna have limitations. He's a free talent.
(37:54):
He's got a big arm, he can move, and last
year down the stretch when they started playing and bad,
he started throwing picks and that can be a major problem.
But I think it kind of is what he is.
You could have a lot worse. One of the founders
of the Yellowstone Club is developing a private resort in Utah, Wasatch.
(38:19):
I'm probably saying that wrong. Peaks Ranch checking out more exclusive.
I think he's alluding to Yellowstone Club is where Matt
Stafford and Tom Brady were were kicking it. I would
love to go I really, I'm not a huge winter
ski slope guy. So it's like, yeah, they got their
own mountain. It sounds cool, but I was like, I'm
(38:41):
not into tearing my cl or running new a rock.
I had a buddy who's actually coming to my wedding.
His I guess it would be his nephew was skiing
up in Tahoe and he's probably, I don't know, ten
eleven years old. This kid's gonna be big. I mean
his dad was a college wrestler at Cal Paul right
after Chuck Ladell. I mean, this guy's a this kid's
(39:03):
got a chance to be like a Division one athlete
ran into a boulder and shattered his leg. It's like,
I'm just not in Like I'm not a skier anymore.
And I loved it growing up, but those days are over.
I can't. I don't want to be in crutches. I
don't want to break legs, try acls. I I don't
know why I'm saying that. Oh, it's because I really
(39:23):
just want to play golf with the Yellowstone Club. Sounds
incredible from what I've heard. It's a million dollars to
join the Yellowstone Club, which is the most expensive of
all the Discovery Land properties, which are basically anything goes
with these properties, right, Like there's no dress code to golf.
(39:44):
You can just do whatever you want. It's very your
entire families under your vertical when you join. But it's
really expensive. And you know, the Yellowstone Club is the
most exclusive. A ton of actors, ton of actresses, got
people like Brady, And there's one in you know, Palm
Springs called the Madison Club. There's Troubadour in Tennessee which
(40:08):
I've been to, which is badass. Saw Morgan wall there
actually when I went question for the pod. Given the
success the Rams have had in McVeigh and the sneaed
era with later round draft picks, wouldn't it make more
sense for the Rams to get multiple late round picks
for Stafford if they trade them instead of just the
(40:29):
first thanks. I think it's easy to say this when
you have missed or just had a lot of success
in the later rounds, you would rather let's say you've
crushed the third and fourth round. Would you rather have
two threes and two fours or just the eighteenth pick?
(40:50):
You know, obviously I have to do the math, but
let's say the math for the first round pick the
fourteenth pick than all the third and fourth round picks.
You would always rather have the first round pick always,
so I know. The forty nine ers are a good example.
They have missed, they have struggled high, and they have
(41:10):
crushed the mid rounds. You would still take the high
picks because when you do hit on that, it is
a game changer. Plus, sometimes you can parlay that pick
into more, Like if I can go from ten to
twenty and accumulate more second round picks, like the ultimate
value is worth more. You almost just have to look
at it from a financial standpoint. It's like, yeah, I
(41:32):
could turn five hundred grand, I could find a ten
bagger and turn it into five million, But would you
rather just have five million dollars right now and see
if you could turn that into ten? Just want to
reaffirm that one of your takes is so valid. The
stafford take a pay cut to stay in LA. I
don't like when people say, oh, it's easy for you
to take a pay cut. Riddle me this. Would you
(41:54):
work at the volume and get paid five hundred thousand
dollars to be Collins point man for everything? NFL in
a great way environment you love. Would you take one
million to go to some radio station where you have
less exposure and there's a bad culture. The former is
La McVeigh and the latter is the Giants. Money's tempting,
and I wouldn't knock you for it, but it's probably
(42:16):
the smart move for the future to stay with the
rams and take a cut. I think it's even different
because let's say someone offers me a million dollars right
to let's use your example to do a radio station.
Do I have to move there? Do then? Like now
I three and out. I have ownership in everything I do.
(42:38):
Do I not own it anymore? So there are a
lot of factors there, But here's the most the factor
of the money. Where you you know, when you're at
a lower net worth cash flow basis, it's like I
hear what you're saying. But let's say let's say in
this world, I'm worth a million dollars, and it's like,
we're going to pay you a million dollars. So it's like,
(42:59):
and we're gonna guarantee a couple of years, so in
two years you will potentially, you know, depending on taxes
and how the we ten ninety nine ing at W
two ing it how it would work. Let's just say
in this example, I'm gonna double my net worth. Unlet's
they have a couple kids. It would be you'd have
to think long and hard about it. Stafford after this
season will have accumulated over four hundred million dollars. So
(43:21):
like money to Stafford. I hate I hate saying it
doesn't matter because who knows. Maybe he aspires to be
an NFL owner. You know, it's like he's playing in
a different end of the pool than myself or the
person in this analogy. But like his life, whether he
makes that other forty million dollars to go to the
(43:43):
Giants or the Raiders, and then if he loses and
his career ends there, he'll have some more money, but
it doesn't really change his life right where I think
when you use an example of like lower numbers, if
it's a one hundred grand, five hundred grand, a million dollars.
If I was worth one hundred million dollars, let's say
(44:05):
let's even pull that number way down. Let's say I'm
worth ten million dollars. I have like ten million dollars
in the bank working for me, investments and stuff own
a house, don't even have a payment already paid off.
I can make decisions with my career much differently than
if I didn't have any money in the bank and
I have two kids, and I have to think about
(44:27):
like a bunch of other things, right paying the mortgage,
supporting my family. Let's say my wife's not working because
she can't find a good job, like how we pay,
you know, for her to support the kid, like it
I have to support her. In this analogy, Stafford doesn't
have to worry about any of that shit, right, So
(44:47):
to me, if you're Matt Stafford at thirty seven years old,
unless you're completely addicted to money, and don't get me,
I love money. Most people listening to this probably love money.
But at that point in time, when you have all
this fucking money Bert the Yellowstone Club, you got multiple homes,
you've hit the lottery. Now not because like that's probably
a bad thing to say, because he earned it. He
(45:08):
was a great player, big time talent, super Bowl champion,
Pro Bowl level guys. He didn't hit the lottery like
he's He's worked his ass off to become a great player,
and he deserved a lot of money off of course,
of his career, he's been paid that, but at this
point in time, like you only got a year or
two left, Like you want that last year to be
with the fucking Giants winning seven games best case scenario,
or do you want to who knows what if you're
(45:29):
like the two seed with the rams. So yeah, I
think the analogy with me or whoever, when you don't
have like as much to fall back. He's thirty seven
years old and he's got one hundred million dollars in
the bank, which I'm sure he's got some smart investments,
Like who knows, I mean, he could have way more
than that. So I think part of Stafford is like
(45:51):
you better be very careful. It's like all the money
in the world, like you are an athlete, Like that's
this is what people discuss for then till you're buried
about your life, right about your career, like as a
father and all that stuff is more important. But like
it's kind of look at Kevin Durant's career the last
five or six years, kind of sad, it's kind of irrelevant,
kind of does not matter, And you never want to
(46:14):
end in irrelevancy when you've got a chance to be
pretty legendary. And I would say Stafford and maybe doesn't
care about this, has become pretty legendary, Like the transition
he had with the Rams, won a Super Bowl and
has helped them create one of the best teams in
the NFL, and he's gotten really rich doing it. I
commend the Rams for doing this, Like, listen, Matt, we
(46:37):
love you. I got no problem going on podcasts and
saying waxing poetic about what you mean to us, your value,
how we can't even quantify it. But this is a
business and we can't pay you two years one hundred
million dollars. It's not gonna happen. Not because we don't
think you're worth that we do, but the way we're
(46:57):
building this team with our cap like, we can't pay that,
and we're not gonna pay that. So I commend the
Rams like that takes balls, you know what. That's how
you run a good business, and that's how you sustain
a good business. Because if all of a sudden this
year Stafford looks old and you've given them two years
one hundred million dollars kind of stuck. The Rams like, yeah,
(47:18):
we're not getting stuck. And I think most teams get
so emotional. I mean I saw with the forty nine
ers with the IU situation like that was stupid. Should
have traded him before the draft, and if they could
do it over again, they would have. And hell, Stafford
won them Super Bowl and the Rams aren't even that emotional. Hell,
he just went He almost beat the Eagles on the
(47:38):
road in the cold. How you run a good business?
The best teams in NFL history have been kind of
cut throat. Look at the Chiefs. They traded Tyreek Hill
and for three straight years they went to the Super Bowl.
It's like who their wide receivers? Has it mattered? Two
super Bowls three years went to another one. That's pretty good, Belichick,
(48:02):
zero E motion. I'm listening to your podcast. You're talking
about the Browns getting a haul for Miles and having
the second overall pick. As a Seahawks fan, I had
a massive trade idea. DK has been rumored to be
available and Rashad Jenkins has been given permission to seek
a trade. Could a trade between Seattle and Cleveland work?
Seattle gets Garrett and a second round pick, Cleveland gets Dk,
(48:25):
Jenkins GINO pick eighteen fifty and a first in a
second round in twenty six and twenty seven, Seattle has
a chance at cam Ward or Carter. Oh and the
second and the second pick, Seattle gets a chance at
cam Ward or Carter. Brown's get a bridge quarterback, a
(48:47):
safety playing at a high level in multiple picks, plus
a huge addition to the wide receiver room. There's a
lot going on in this trade. So you get Miles
Garrett in the second overall pick, and they get Geno Smith.
The problem with the Geno Smith thing is Gino wants
a lot of money. So Gino wants a contract extension,
(49:10):
and the Browns have They owe Watson ninety million dollars.
So I don't think you've got a lot of moving
parts here and a lot of picks and first rounders
and second rounders exchanging hands. I do think the problem
for this is I don't think Cleveland would be in
the Geno Smith business because they couldn't give him like
(49:30):
an eighty million dollar contract extension. You know, like three
years he's making twenty five million. Now, let's say you
give him thirty five million, three years, one hundred and
fifteen million dollars and guarantee eighty or ninety. Then you'd
have Deshaun and Gino making a combined you know, you'd
owe them guaranteed money one hundred and fifty hundred and
seventy million dollars. I don't think you can do that.
(49:52):
I don't think I hear what you're saying. And this
is pretty intriguing. This is kind of an NBA ish,
but I think the geno thing ends that. I think
if you're Cleveland, you're in the business of drafting one
of those quarterbacks number two overall, and you trade Miles
to get a bunch more picks to then build around
him and kind of make this transition. Nick Chubb free
(50:14):
agent probably gone, Miles Garrett gone, and you kind of
transition out of this, which you know, tough predicament to
be in, but kind of is what it is. I
think that'll that's our last question for the day. Hopefully
everyone has a good weekend. We will, we'll talk soon
and have a good time doing whatever you're doing. Peace
(50:37):
the volume
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Little weekend mail Bag? I got a million questions, try
(00:24):
to get to a lot of them over the course
of the week, and that is what I will do today.
So Little middle Cooff Mailbag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram.
Fire in those dms, get your questions answered here on
the show, Colin and I will do a podcast one
of my I'm recording this on Friday, so we will
(00:45):
record on Sunday afternoon Sunday night. A lot of rumors
flying around the old National Football League right now with
player movement, saw a DK Metcalf potential trade, so we
got a lot going on, and the rumors and the stories.
We'll keep on flying out of Indianapolis. At the NFL Combine,
(01:06):
I always say, like combine so boring. And the last
night I'm glued to it on my couch watching three
hundred and ten pound men run around little cones and
run forties. It's entertaining to me. I'm not gonna lie.
But other than that, if you listen on Collins Feed,
make sure you subscribe to the Three and Out podcast.
This is audio only, but we got a YouTube channel,
so fire on that YouTube channel, and yeah, let's start
(01:29):
with some questions. We'll try to do a little rapid
fire here. Jacob, what's the deal with the tush push?
I don't understand why they would get rid of it.
It's football. The whole game is predicated on imposing your
team's will against the other. Help this spud farmer from
Idaho understand what the rationale is. I'm sure he's a
(01:51):
Cooper Degene and Caitlin Clark fan. I guess that's Iowa,
not Idaho. Maybe you're a Doug Nustmeyer fan. He was
a quarterback back in the early nineties. That I do know. Mike,
you potty, I would say this, if the Eagles had
just gone seven to ten seven and ten seven and
ten seven and ten aka the Falcons, and they had
(02:11):
the tush push, no one would care. It would not matter.
I promise you that it just would not be a
major story. But when you dominate, and when you win
the Super Bowl and you've won your conference twice in
three years, it's no different than most industries. There are
a lot of companies right now doing things that would
(02:33):
really piss off the government, their competition if they were
bigger and once you get to a certain level, i e. Google, Facebook,
you name it, people start coming after you. So I
think the Eagles with them winning, right, if they are,
let's just pick another team. If they were the New
(02:54):
York Giants running the Tush push and that was their
play the last under Brian Dable, no one would be
talking about this. But when you win the Super Bowl,
it just becomes like it's unfair. I mean, the Patriots
dealt with stuff like this forever. It's just part of
the deal. Let's let's face it. If you're gonna be
a winner in life, if you're gonna be successful, especially
(03:17):
financially in most businesses, people are gonna come after you.
That's the way the world works. It's kind of sad,
but it's just it's just a reality. It's no different
in football. It really isn't. So I'm with you. I
don't really have It doesn't bother me like it's it's
I've seen other teams attempt to do it and they
don't do it as well. Right, And I do agree
(03:39):
with Sirianni of like that they do take that play
pretty seriously, coaching it up fundamentally, and that they have
the uh. I mean they have the X factor that
their quarterback squats like nine pounds. I would imagine I
think about this, but there's probably currently not a stronger
quarterback in terms of his life in the NFL, you know,
(04:02):
and even like over the last twenty years. You pick
a guy like Cam Newton, who's probably pound for pound,
you know, the strongest, most powerful quarterback in NFL history.
He's so tall that part of the play is he
can get low. We just saw Josh Allen, who's like
a Cam Newton better version. It's hard for him to
get low. I mean, part of that play is Jalen disappears.
(04:25):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I mean, I I'm not that worked up over it,
but I get if I was, like lived in Philadelphia,
I'd actually kind of enjoy this because this type stuff
that the big dogs deal with.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Like I said, this is the stuff the Patriots tell
with forever. People are always taking shots to the Yankees,
the Lakers like this is That's a good thing. Another
question about the Eagles. Do you think the position of
OC for the Eagles is going to become less important
as Jalen becomes more and more comfortable at the line
of scrimmage with Kelzer retiring this year, he got more
responsibility in the line. As you saw the season go,
(05:01):
you saw his confidence commanding the offense increase. I feel
like that confidence is going to continue and grow. Eventually
he'll be able to be like an OC on the field. Yeah.
I mean I listen being the offensive coordinator, and I
think I saw a stat you know, if you think
about it. He had a bunch of offensive coordinators in Alabama.
(05:23):
He then transferred to Oklahoma, which obviously a new offensive
coordinator in Lincoln Riley. And then he has had in Philadelphia.
He's had Doug Peterson, He's had Nick Sirianni, then Shane Sichin,
then Brian Johnson and Kellen Moore and now whoever Potolo
(05:47):
I just counted on my hand. I mean, you're you're
talking six plus coordinators in a five year NFL career,
Like it is difficult. Now. I don't think much is
going to change for the Eagle. So this transition is
pretty easy. But it's not as easy as the way
you make it out to be, don't I don't think.
And here's the other thing, Like Jalen, I say this
(06:07):
all the time about the NFL, and this is the
best part about sports, Like it's either win or you lose,
so like that, there's no revisionist history. It's like, well
they got really close again. They lost in the first round, right,
I won the Super Bowl, But they were coming down
the home stretch in some trouble there against the Rams,
(06:29):
and I just pulled up that box score. Matt Stafford,
who wants way more money than the Rams are willing
to pay him, through for three hundred and twenty four
yards and two touchdowns in that game. Jalen Hurts was
fifteen to twenty four one hundred and thirty yards, So like,
what if they would have lost that game, But that's
the point of sport. They didn't, so who cares? And
(06:51):
that game gets forgotten and then all we remember the
last two games where he dominated. So I just think that,
you know, it's part of the way that we discussed
this whole thing, and it's why I hate, like coaches
love doing this and the average guy when he says
it's one thing if Andy Reid wants to say it,
you know, or the top guys, but like when the
(07:12):
dude drafting seventh overall in the draft, that coach for
like three straight years hasn't had a winning record. He's like,
we're a process oriented thing. It's like now that this
business is about results. The reason everyone wants to know
about Nick Saban's process is because he was winning championships,
so he could talk about the process. Like Jeff Bezos,
his process is interesting because he created the biggest company
(07:33):
of all time Steve Jobs whoever? Right, But no one
wants to hear about the process unless you want to
know how not to fail. About the guy that went
bankrupt four times? You know, I think we gotta be
careful about that. But listen, you win, you get to
dictate the terms, and I think Jalen is gonna have
a lot of positive momentum coming into the season. In
(07:54):
your scouting days or even when you were around the league,
was there a player that comes to mind that didn't
have the greatest measurables or physical traits but was an
absolute baller And you could tell immediately. You know, people
forget this because he's I mean, honestly, he's insanely famous
right now. But when Jason Kelcey came into the NFL,
(08:17):
he was I just pulled up his pre draft measurables again,
this guy's a center. Now a lot has changed, I
would say, and even at the time, but it was
really hard to play offensive line if you weren't three
hundred plus pounds. When he went to the combine, he
was two hundred and eighty pounds. Now, what he had
(08:39):
really going for him is he ran basically a four
nine forty in his ten yard split. Like he was
really athletic. He was a freak show, but he was small,
and a lot of people like he wasn't like a
second round center. When you look at some of the
guys the Eagles have that that have taken over. You know,
(09:00):
Cam Jurgens was a second round pick. Landon Dickerson second
round pick. So the two guys that I know, Dickerson's
technically a guard, but if he has to, he can
play center. I mean those guys. Landon Dickerson, for example,
is six foot five, basically sixty six, three hundred and
thirty pounds. Cam Jurgens is. Cam Jurgens is you know,
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Jason Kelcey six y three, but he's three hundred pounds,
so he's twenty pounds heavier at the same spot and
as athletic, Jason was really small relative to the rest
of the league. That's why he went in the sixth round.
But Howard Mudd, who had come from Peyton Manning. You
know Peyton, they they really were able to take a
(09:49):
lot of like random offensive linemen and be really successful. Now,
a huge part of that was because Peyton could like
get rid of the ball extremely quick and was like
basically an offensive coordinators. That was a player, very unique situation.
But Howard was an elite offensive line coach and liked
the small, quick guys. But Jason was really small and
(10:10):
a lot of people didn't think he would be able
to hold up. And then in training camp he won
the starting job so and then never looked back. Was
a starting center for the Eagles for what year was
at twenty eleven for the next twelve thirteen years, and
clearly got better with age. Now part of it, I
think he got stronger and bigger, and even he said
(10:31):
and listen, this is another thing. And I think Baker
Mayfield is kind of the modern Jason. Jason was a
pretty big party, I don't want to say screw around guy,
but was like early on in his career, big party guy.
He was young, and I mean a lot of guys
in the NFL are. But if you look at his career,
(10:51):
he didn't start. He was a good player and became
an immediate starter. But even I think I heard him
on a podcast say this like they were a trader
room at the end of the Chip Kelly beginning of
the Doug Peterson era, he started making Pro Bowls. Think
about this. Jason Kelce was drafted in twenty eleven and
began starting immediately. He did not make a Pro Bowl
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till twenty fourteen, so several years into his career, but
he became a high end like first team All Pro
twenty seventeen. And even he says it's because of his wife.
So he met his wife, started having children and it
changed his career. I think when I look at Baker Mayfield,
you know, it looked like battled some stuff maturity wise,
(11:36):
got in a serious relationship, got married, had a child.
Now is a fucking stud. I mean, I don't know
what's Baker top seven eight quarterback in the NFL, and
on given weeks, I mean, can be one of the
best players in the NFL. So I think sometimes you
just see like this guy's gonna play in the NFL
right away, and some guys depending on the positions, Like
(11:59):
you need the pa ads on. So it's sometimes hard
to tell in training camp, right, But I remember like
the forty nine ers, Like I think sometimes you're asking
questions like Khalil Mack shows up or Amari Cooper shows
up or you know whoever. George Kittle was a guy.
But George Kittle, the Iowa offense is terrible. He's a
freak physically. I remember who Funga, who is a free
(12:20):
agent right now. You know, fell to the third day
of the draft out of usc because a lot of
people didn't think he had a position. It's like, well,
he's not big enough to play linebacker and he's not
fast enough to play safety, and then he started playing football.
You're like, this guy's a good football player. He's battled
injuries the last couple of years, but like went healthy,
Like he's a really really good player. He just can't
stay healthy. So I think sometimes you just don't know
(12:43):
until the pads come on. We gotten a lottery for
the Masters and got tickets for a practice day. Any
recommendations on which hole to sit and watch? Big Florida
Gator fan, how do you think they're going to beat
this upcoming year. Well, I've never been to Augusta, so
I you know, the way I would approach it would
(13:06):
I would be walking all over the course, and I
know based on people discussing it, it's not the flattest course,
so it's it can be a challenging walk. I would
take in every hole. I would walk every blade of grass,
you know, like Belichick's used to say, we are going
to defend every blade of grass. That's how I would
(13:27):
approach Augusta. I would start a hole one, and I
would work my way through eighteen holes, and then I'd
probably work backwards. I would check out the entire property
and everywhere I could go, I would go, especially a
practice round, I would do less sitting at a spot,
and I would be roaming. I would treat that thing
like a like a pike, and I would never stop
(13:50):
moving beside to slam some sandwiches and some bruskis. The Gators,
I do believe this. I think they were one of
the hottest teams in the country down the stretch. And
I think if they would have got in the playoffs
and matched up against some some teams, like could they
have beat Ohio State? No, but like could they have
(14:10):
given Notre Dame or Penn State a game. Would Indiana
have beat Florida at the end of the season, No
fucking chance. So I think Florida, I think it's fair
to go. Could we win nineteen games next year? Now
I'd be lying, you know, from a roster standpoint if
I'm like comfortable, like you're too deep. I don't know that,
(14:33):
But clearly that young quarterback's good and you know physically
like you guys have some talent. Like watching that game
against ole Miss, I was impressed. So props to Napier
for saving his job and honestly just building up a
lot of positive momentum. You know. One thing I was
I having drinks with them where we talk on the phone.
(14:54):
I think we were talking on the phone a scouting
buddy of mine who knows all these programs really really
well and is very very close with a lot of
coaches in the South and especially the save in Tree,
and he said, you know, the sad thing, and this
is when it looked like Billy was going to get fired.
He's like, if you go into the floor to program
and if you talk to people around the program like
(15:17):
they're doing it the right way. The way the program structured,
the way they recruit, the way they run practice, the
way they the way from the top down they run
the program. It just hasn't translated to wins. But like
from a football standpoint, everyone that goes through there is impressed,
and finally down the stretch they started getting results. So yeah,
(15:40):
I think the hard part is sometimes with the SEC
schools is if you get a guy like Billy Napier
and his momentum doesn't snowball in a positive way, immediately
people go, how are we gonna beat because there's so
many famous coaches, like how are we gonna beat Kirby Smart,
how are we gonna beat Lan Kiffen, How are we
ever going to be? When Sabin was there, We're not
(16:01):
on their level right, And then all of a sudden
he gets the ball moving in the right direction. You
just it's a hard leak. I mean, it really is.
So I'm rooting for the guy, but I don't know
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This is a question about the Saints. Uh, we've been
awful year after year, even though our division is a joke.
I don't see this team being good for another three years.
Can the Saints? What can the Saints do to make
the playoffs next year? I do think if they can
just stay healthy, they can be a competitive team. And
I actually don't know if that division's really going to
(18:13):
be a joke for long. You know the way the
Panthers played down the stretch like they were a real
football team. Now, are they a nine to ten win team? No,
they have a long way to go. Hell yeah, But
like the team that started playing when Bryce came back,
that was a real NFL team before they felt like
one of the biggest jokes of all time. So I
(18:34):
do think that. You know, the Falcons, I don't buy
into them, but like they got real players and they
can be competitive. I mean there's a reason they win
seven eight games every year, Like they're not like a
three win team and Tampa's just good. So I would
just say stay healthy, and they need Derek. You know,
Derek's had two or three really good years in his career,
(18:56):
and they can get one more out of them. Yeah,
they compete for a wildcard spot. If they can't, they'll
they'll suck. I got this question, and I don't think
I saved it. And sometimes things get lost in the
shuffle on Instagram. Is someone asked you know for years
and I remember this conversation happened a lot when I
was a kid, like, could the worst NFL teams of
the last twenty thirty years? Could the best college football
(19:20):
team right like USC and the peak of their powers
Miami and the peak of their powers LSU that went
twenty nineteen, whatever their record was, fifteen and er, Is
there any chance they could beat them? And the pushback
has always been no chance. They got twenty two pros
and that team does not. And I understand that argument.
(19:44):
I do think if you look at a team that
goes like one in fifteen or two and fourteen or
zero to sixteen or one in seventeen or whatever at
the start of the year, could that team beat them? No,
because they do have a lot of pros on the
team and they are just going to be healthier and physical.
But if you get that version of the great college
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football teams that are full of I don't know, let's
say eighty percent of their roster aren't just pros, but
like a lot of those guys are going to be
Pro Bowlers and ten year starters. And if you look
at a team that's going to win one or two
games past like October November, when they've had a bunch
of injuries and they are playing with guys you've never
(20:27):
heard of and guys that are not going to be
in the NFL long, I do think that could be
interesting and I wouldn't put it past now. The difference, too, is,
let's use twenty nineteen when you go, well, they got
Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and Justin Jefferson. How like those
guys would be able to score on everybody. Yeah, well,
(20:49):
those guys in college, like Jamar Chase now is now
he was damn good in college, but he's dramatically better now.
Same thing with Justin Jefferson. So you're not getting like
Minnesota Vikings year five Justin Jefferson right, or year five
Jamar Chase, you're getting the twenty year old version, so
(21:09):
you kind of got to factor that into I don't
think people quite realize to like how much better, Like
Miles Garrett was the number one overall pick and he
was an elite prospect, he is in a different stratosphere
in terms of how good he is at football year six, seven,
(21:30):
eight than he was at twenty years old. Then that
goes for any player. I'm feeling lost and confused as
a Giants fan. I feel as though we're in a
similar model to the Eagles, not overthinking it and investing
in the trenches from blue chip schools with Evan Neil
and Thibodeau. When we draft those guys, they turned out
to be mid but I'm sure if either fell to
(21:52):
the Eagles it would be another all time steal and
a genius move by Howie. How much is drafting town
on evaluation versus culture and players end up the solution
for the Giants moving forward? I'd be lying if I
can give you like a breakdown on Evan Neil, but
I would say the Kevon Thibodeau, like I did not
(22:14):
think he was some game changing prospect, that he was
pretty stiff. Uh, He's not like a bend the edge guy.
So to me, those type players tend to look more
like Cleveland Ferrell Solomon Thomas. Doesn't mean he can't play
in the NFL for a long time, but you draft
him in the top seven to eight picks, you're expecting TJ.
(22:37):
Watt or JJ Watt or Miles Garrett or some of
these guys. It's just you know, I know, Chase Young
got injured, but the guy he became was just like
a powerful, straight line guy. You can only do so
much when that's your style. And I think that's cave On,
Like he's talks a big game, but he's just kind
of an average player, and I don't think he has
(22:58):
like a great skill set to be a Pro Bowl,
all pro level impact, you know, huge money guy. And
I think when they took him, like I would say
this about like let's use Saquon or Molik neighbors. Like
those guys are elite prospects, and that's who you want
to draft really high. Now we can argue about taking
(23:19):
a running back that high, but like Saquon was an
elite prospect. Every Giants fan knew that immediately. Like this
guy's a freak town. Same thing with Malik. You watch Kvon,
You're like, I don't know. I mean, I'm old enough
to remember when you guys used to take Jpp. Well,
Jpp was a freak. He was strong, he could bend,
he was huge. Like I I think sometimes you just take,
(23:43):
you know, you force a position. And I'm telling you,
I think you put Kavon on the ravenge on the Eagles.
Maybe he's a little better, but you're not getting some
all pro. So I would push back a little bit
on that. Been listener for years. My question is do
(24:03):
you see the greatest college quarterback of all My question
for you is who do you see the greatest college
quarterback of all time? Ass I'm not talking stats, but
more so impact, winning a championship and being borderline unstoppable.
I might be biased being an Auburn fan, but Cam
Newton will always be ranked above Tim Tebow or Joe
Burrow based on what he did with that Auburn team
(24:26):
that was not going anywhere. The defense was very talented,
but compared to who Tim Tebow was throwing the ball
to and the overall talent of the team, plus Urban
was as coach, it's obvious just debating your opinion. Yeah,
if you just say who did the most impressive thing
with the least, I mean Cam Newton dragging a team
(24:48):
that did not have that many pros to a national
championship in the SEC was remarkable. But I would say
this about Cam because everything that happened at Florida, like
he was a true blue Chipper, you know, urban Meyer
recruited him there, so it wasn't like he was this
little engine that could, like you know, Johnny was a
(25:09):
little more little engine that could and was just remarkable
in college. I mean, Cam should have been at Alabama
or Florida and you guys were able to pull him
and what he did was I mean, I'll never forget
was his first or second year, probably like his third
year going to a Niner game at Candlestick and I
(25:30):
just like, I'm gonna go to Cam Newton's postgame press conference.
I think they just beat the Niners. This was when
Harbaugh was there and seeing Cam Newton in person and thinking,
this guy looks like a Lebron James. This guy is enormous.
So I think when you look at Joe Burrow, I
mean he's playing with Jamar Chase and justin Jefferson. I mean,
(25:51):
those two guys, let's face it, should both go to
the Hall of Fame. Long way to go, a lot
of production to be had, but those two guys are
Hall of Fame talents. And you go back like when
I was grown, Like you said, t Bow, I mean,
those Florida teams were some of the best teams of
all time in terms of just every player was going
to the pros and getting drafted high. Same thing with Lionert, right,
(26:15):
Lioner played because the Liner's record is hard to beat.
Even Kellen Moore, who I think is probably one of
the more underrated college players of all time. Look at it.
I mean, Kellen Morre's college stats are pretty insane, like
they you know, part of with Lionert, who was an
unreal college player and really clutch. They ran the ball
(26:36):
a lot. I mean, they had arguably the best backfield
in all of college football. Kellen Moore his last couple
of years, well, he started as a freshman, but his
sophomore year thirty nine touchdowns, three picks, his junior year
thirty five touchdowns, six picks, his senior year forty three touchdowns,
(26:57):
nine picks. Overall, one hundred and forty two touchdowns and
twenty eight interceptions. I think it's like a five to
one ratio there. And the one thing, obviously, their schedule
is a little easier in some of the big boys.
They beat everybody that they weren't supposed to beat from
Georgia to Oregon multiple times. They were upsetting people left
(27:17):
and right. I think Kellen Moore is an underrated name. Yeah,
I mean cam Newton's clearly one of the greatest college
had one of the great college seasons in the history
of the sport. Living in Zach, I work at El
Maserra Country Club. See hi to a man named Jeff
Middlecoff who is a little country club member up there,
(27:41):
plays a little golf. Have been a Cowboys fan my
whole life. When you look at the best run organizations
in the league, there is a constant thread of having
a great GM quarterback and owner who is not medaling.
Can you realistically see the Cowboys getting back to the
Super Bowl to Super Bowl contention in the next five
(28:02):
to ten years? And you guys haven't made the championship
game Super Bowl. You guys haven't made it past the
second weekend of the playoffs in twenty five years. Actually
thirty years, right, because the last time ninety six. It's
twenty twenty. Yeah, thirty years, three decades have not been
(28:23):
to the conference championship game. Think just let's just pick
your division. The Eagles have won been to two Super
Bowls in the last three years. The Giants seven and
eleven have won multiple Super Bowls. So those two teams
have a combined four Super Bowls since two thousand and seven.
And you guys haven't been in a conference championship game
(28:44):
since nineteen ninety six. Even the Commanders this year went
to the conference championship game. It's pretty nuts, it really is.
So I would say no, like I my days of
betting on the Cowboys are over because I did pick
you guys. I listened from out in Australia. Love your stuff.
(29:05):
I know you love golf. What is your golf handicap?
I'd be shocked if it wasn't single figures. Yeah, I
mean technically on paper it's like a four right now.
But I've embraced golf. Of as long as I shoot
anywhere from seventy five to eighty five, I'm just having
a good time. I'm not a competitive golfer. Beside gambling
on golf with whoever I'm playing with, I just try
(29:25):
to enjoy it when I'm hot, make a couple of birdies,
have a good time. When I'm shooting in the mid eighties, whatever,
Just put a smile on your face, have a double vodka.
So I would say the key to my I don't
let golf work me up at all anymore. Single digit
sounds more impressive. I mean, I've been playing thirty years.
(29:47):
A question for the pot, I've been curious to know
your opinion of the state of the NBA. Personally, I
think it's the worst it's ever been due to for
many reasons. I actually, you know, talking to Colin about
this last week and how baseball and the NBA are
actually basically the same thing, except the NBA gets an
outsized amount of coverage on television, and a big part
(30:10):
of that is because ESPN's in bed with them, and
I think a lot of the guys on Fox Sports
won like basketball. Steph Curry went for fifty six points
last night, and I watched the highlights. He was just
I mean, it was just vintage Steph. I think the
NBA is in major trouble when Steph Curry and Lebron
(30:31):
James retire. And the problem is Lebron James is forty
and Steph Curry is thirty seven. So even if they
are on like a Tom Brady like run here, which
it does feel, both guys are still fucking elite that
they're not going to be around that much longer. And
I was talking about this with a buddy the other day.
I was actually at the gym this morning, got up early,
(30:52):
take the dog. She had to go to the groomer,
dropped her off like seven, went to the old the village,
got a sweat on, and I'm looking up because they
got TVs up on the wall like most gyms. You know,
A couple were on the news channels and ESPN and
ESPN two are honored Stephen A. Smith. I look at
the you know, the ticker or like whatever the headline
(31:14):
is below them. It's like, could Anthony Edwards be the
face of the league. I think the casual sports fan
knows absolutely nothing about Anthony Edwards. I'm talking about a
guy that like is into sports, and the amount of
games they have seen Anthony Edwards play over the last
several years is really small. And the equivalent of Anthony Edwards,
(31:36):
a guy who's twenty two to twenty three years old
several years into his career, really good player. Let's use
when I was a kid in like the mid to
late nineties, would have been like Alan Iverson, Kobe Bryant,
Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan. I could be wrong on this,
but in my opinion, I think those guys at the
same point in time were dramatically more famous and bigger deals.
(31:59):
So what I'm saying is that's a problem for the NBA.
Is the league as long as the Warriors and Lakers
like win some playoff rounds, the league will be okay
because the ratings will be pretty good, right, But if
those guys disappear, Like listen, I think Jolkic is one
of the best basketball players I've ever watched, the consumers
just not watching him, and the Celtics just don't do
(32:21):
that much for people, Like no one's watching the CAFs
and they're awesome. I think the NBA is in major trouble,
not financially. They signed this big deal and they're gonna
get paid. I don't know how these networks are gonna
make their money back. Now you could argue Amazon doesn't
really care, but I think that if I was Steph
Curry and Lebron James and the league just signed this
(32:43):
enormous deal, like I'm probably worth half of that and
I'm not even gonna be around for the majority of it,
that's a problem. They used to just be able to
cycle in new stars. I think part of it is
the international game. Like Luca's story is really really big
and people have watched him play, but him not being
American is a problem. I mean part of the growth
(33:07):
of the NBA. You know, by the time I kind
of came into my sports watching early mid nineties, Magic Johnson,
Larry Birder were already gone, but like they were the
people that really drove the NBA right, and then Michael
Jordan took the torch and took it to even higher levels.
What do all three have in common? All American born,
(33:27):
American born stars. It's just not the same with jokichin Luca,
it's just not hell Nico Harrison, former agent guy Shoe Deal,
hated that Luca drank beer. It's like Nico, who gives
a fuck. Michael Jordan used to drink a twelve pack
playing golf with Jeremy Ronick and then score forty. It's
(33:47):
like this guy carried your ass in the NBA finals.
Like sometimes as a GM, you have this preconceived notion
of like what's right and wrong? Like this guy's European.
Have you ever been to Europe? They drink like multiple
glasses of wine at lunch and then go have a nap.
Cultures are different. The only thing I care about is like,
on any given game, can the guy score forty and
beat whoever we're playing in any given moment? It's like, well,
(34:11):
I like this guy because he works out harder. Give
me a break. But I mean, I think when your
two best players, you could argue the three best players
in the NBA are like Jokic, Luca and Yannis. I mean,
it's just this isn't the EuroLeague. This American basketball, and
(34:36):
it hurts. I mean, Ethan Strauss been writing about this
for a long time, like Americans like rooting for Americans.
I think Haylen Clark's a pretty big deal. Like she
feels like the most fun women's basketball player I've ever watched.
It would not be the same if she was from Lithuania.
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Been listening for a couple of years, also out here
in Arizona and wondering where the Cardinals will go from here.
I like Kyler, and I think a lot of people
underrate him, but the same thing. At the same time,
it's frustrating how inconsistent he is, especially since the Cardinals
(36:47):
have some nice offensive talent around them. Do you think
this is who he is at some point? Or there's
still growth to be had and the roster will keep improving.
You know, I saw that John and it Is press
conference made a comment. I just pulled it up. It
says I'm not gonna make any power statements, but he
(37:10):
meaning Kyler, is gonna have a hell of a year.
So I think there have been some some light rumors
and maybe it's just people throwing it out there, like
could they trade Kyler Murray and who knows. I guess
he could be building up his trade value. But I
thought this at the end of the year last year.
Is Kyler ever going to be a top seven eight quarterback?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
But what makes him pretty unique is that on individual
days he can just beat Team X and that could
be the best team in the league. Like he can
just beat the Rams, the Eagles, whoever. And that's what
makes him a pretty frustrating player. I think at five
nine years always gonna have limitations. He's a free talent.
(37:54):
He's got a big arm, he can move, and last
year down the stretch when they started playing and bad,
he started throwing picks and that can be a major problem.
But I think it kind of is what he is.
You could have a lot worse. One of the founders
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(38:19):
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love to go I really, I'm not a huge winter
ski slope guy. So it's like, yeah, they got their
own mountain. It sounds cool, but I was like, I'm
(38:41):
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I had a buddy who's actually coming to my wedding.
His I guess it would be his nephew was skiing
up in Tahoe and he's probably, I don't know, ten
eleven years old. This kid's gonna be big. I mean
his dad was a college wrestler at Cal Paul right
after Chuck Ladell. I mean, this guy's a this kid's
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got a chance to be like a Division one athlete
ran into a boulder and shattered his leg. It's like,
I'm just not in Like I'm not a skier anymore.
And I loved it growing up, but those days are over.
I can't. I don't want to be in crutches. I
don't want to break legs, try acls. I I don't
know why I'm saying that. Oh, it's because I really
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just want to play golf with the Yellowstone Club. Sounds
incredible from what I've heard. It's a million dollars to
join the Yellowstone Club, which is the most expensive of
all the Discovery Land properties, which are basically anything goes
with these properties, right, Like there's no dress code to golf.
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You can just do whatever you want. It's very your
entire families under your vertical when you join. But it's
really expensive. And you know, the Yellowstone Club is the
most exclusive. A ton of actors, ton of actresses, got
people like Brady, And there's one in you know, Palm
Springs called the Madison Club. There's Troubadour in Tennessee which
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I've been to, which is badass. Saw Morgan wall there
actually when I went question for the pod. Given the
success the Rams have had in McVeigh and the sneaed
era with later round draft picks, wouldn't it make more
sense for the Rams to get multiple late round picks
for Stafford if they trade them instead of just the
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first thanks. I think it's easy to say this when
you have missed or just had a lot of success
in the later rounds, you would rather let's say you've
crushed the third and fourth round. Would you rather have
two threes and two fours or just the eighteenth pick?
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You know, obviously I have to do the math, but
let's say the math for the first round pick the
fourteenth pick than all the third and fourth round picks.
You would always rather have the first round pick always,
so I know. The forty nine ers are a good example.
They have missed, they have struggled high, and they have
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crushed the mid rounds. You would still take the high
picks because when you do hit on that, it is
a game changer. Plus, sometimes you can parlay that pick
into more, Like if I can go from ten to
twenty and accumulate more second round picks, like the ultimate
value is worth more. You almost just have to look
at it from a financial standpoint. It's like, yeah, I
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could turn five hundred grand, I could find a ten
bagger and turn it into five million, But would you
rather just have five million dollars right now and see
if you could turn that into ten? Just want to
reaffirm that one of your takes is so valid. The
stafford take a pay cut to stay in LA. I
don't like when people say, oh, it's easy for you
to take a pay cut. Riddle me this. Would you
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work at the volume and get paid five hundred thousand
dollars to be Collins point man for everything? NFL in
a great way environment you love. Would you take one
million to go to some radio station where you have
less exposure and there's a bad culture. The former is
La McVeigh and the latter is the Giants. Money's tempting,
and I wouldn't knock you for it, but it's probably
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the smart move for the future to stay with the
rams and take a cut. I think it's even different
because let's say someone offers me a million dollars right
to let's use your example to do a radio station.
Do I have to move there? Do then? Like now
I three and out. I have ownership in everything I do.
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Do I not own it anymore? So there are a
lot of factors there, But here's the most the factor
of the money. Where you you know, when you're at
a lower net worth cash flow basis, it's like I
hear what you're saying. But let's say let's say in
this world, I'm worth a million dollars, and it's like,
we're going to pay you a million dollars. So it's like,
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and we're gonna guarantee a couple of years, so in
two years you will potentially, you know, depending on taxes
and how the we ten ninety nine ing at W
two ing it how it would work. Let's just say
in this example, I'm gonna double my net worth. Unlet's
they have a couple kids. It would be you'd have
to think long and hard about it. Stafford after this
season will have accumulated over four hundred million dollars. So
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like money to Stafford. I hate I hate saying it
doesn't matter because who knows. Maybe he aspires to be
an NFL owner. You know, it's like he's playing in
a different end of the pool than myself or the
person in this analogy. But like his life, whether he
makes that other forty million dollars to go to the
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Giants or the Raiders, and then if he loses and
his career ends there, he'll have some more money, but
it doesn't really change his life right where I think
when you use an example of like lower numbers, if
it's a one hundred grand, five hundred grand, a million dollars.
If I was worth one hundred million dollars, let's say
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let's even pull that number way down. Let's say I'm
worth ten million dollars. I have like ten million dollars
in the bank working for me, investments and stuff own
a house, don't even have a payment already paid off.
I can make decisions with my career much differently than
if I didn't have any money in the bank and
I have two kids, and I have to think about
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like a bunch of other things, right paying the mortgage,
supporting my family. Let's say my wife's not working because
she can't find a good job, like how we pay,
you know, for her to support the kid, like it
I have to support her. In this analogy, Stafford doesn't
have to worry about any of that shit, right, So
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to me, if you're Matt Stafford at thirty seven years old,
unless you're completely addicted to money, and don't get me,
I love money. Most people listening to this probably love money.
But at that point in time, when you have all
this fucking money Bert the Yellowstone Club, you got multiple homes,
you've hit the lottery. Now not because like that's probably
a bad thing to say, because he earned it. He
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was a great player, big time talent, super Bowl champion,
Pro Bowl level guys. He didn't hit the lottery like
he's He's worked his ass off to become a great player,
and he deserved a lot of money off of course,
of his career, he's been paid that, but at this
point in time, like you only got a year or
two left, Like you want that last year to be
with the fucking Giants winning seven games best case scenario,
or do you want to who knows what if you're
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like the two seed with the rams. So yeah, I
think the analogy with me or whoever, when you don't
have like as much to fall back. He's thirty seven
years old and he's got one hundred million dollars in
the bank, which I'm sure he's got some smart investments,
Like who knows, I mean, he could have way more
than that. So I think part of Stafford is like
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you better be very careful. It's like all the money
in the world, like you are an athlete, Like that's
this is what people discuss for then till you're buried
about your life, right about your career, like as a
father and all that stuff is more important. But like
it's kind of look at Kevin Durant's career the last
five or six years, kind of sad, it's kind of irrelevant,
kind of does not matter, And you never want to
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end in irrelevancy when you've got a chance to be
pretty legendary. And I would say Stafford and maybe doesn't
care about this, has become pretty legendary, Like the transition
he had with the Rams, won a Super Bowl and
has helped them create one of the best teams in
the NFL, and he's gotten really rich doing it. I
commend the Rams for doing this, Like, listen, Matt, we
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love you. I got no problem going on podcasts and
saying waxing poetic about what you mean to us, your value,
how we can't even quantify it. But this is a
business and we can't pay you two years one hundred
million dollars. It's not gonna happen. Not because we don't
think you're worth that we do, but the way we're
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building this team with our cap like, we can't pay that,
and we're not gonna pay that. So I commend the
Rams like that takes balls, you know what. That's how
you run a good business, and that's how you sustain
a good business. Because if all of a sudden this
year Stafford looks old and you've given them two years
one hundred million dollars kind of stuck. The Rams like, yeah,
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we're not getting stuck. And I think most teams get
so emotional. I mean I saw with the forty nine
ers with the IU situation like that was stupid. Should
have traded him before the draft, and if they could
do it over again, they would have. And hell, Stafford
won them Super Bowl and the Rams aren't even that emotional. Hell,
he just went He almost beat the Eagles on the
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road in the cold. How you run a good business?
The best teams in NFL history have been kind of
cut throat. Look at the Chiefs. They traded Tyreek Hill
and for three straight years they went to the Super Bowl.
It's like who their wide receivers? Has it mattered? Two
super Bowls three years went to another one. That's pretty good, Belichick,
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zero E motion. I'm listening to your podcast. You're talking
about the Browns getting a haul for Miles and having
the second overall pick. As a Seahawks fan, I had
a massive trade idea. DK has been rumored to be
available and Rashad Jenkins has been given permission to seek
a trade. Could a trade between Seattle and Cleveland work?
Seattle gets Garrett and a second round pick, Cleveland gets Dk,
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Jenkins GINO pick eighteen fifty and a first in a
second round in twenty six and twenty seven, Seattle has
a chance at cam Ward or Carter. Oh and the
second and the second pick, Seattle gets a chance at
cam Ward or Carter. Brown's get a bridge quarterback, a
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safety playing at a high level in multiple picks, plus
a huge addition to the wide receiver room. There's a
lot going on in this trade. So you get Miles
Garrett in the second overall pick, and they get Geno Smith.
The problem with the Geno Smith thing is Gino wants
a lot of money. So Gino wants a contract extension,
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and the Browns have They owe Watson ninety million dollars.
So I don't think you've got a lot of moving
parts here and a lot of picks and first rounders
and second rounders exchanging hands. I do think the problem
for this is I don't think Cleveland would be in
the Geno Smith business because they couldn't give him like
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an eighty million dollar contract extension. You know, like three
years he's making twenty five million. Now, let's say you
give him thirty five million, three years, one hundred and
fifteen million dollars and guarantee eighty or ninety. Then you'd
have Deshaun and Gino making a combined you know, you'd
owe them guaranteed money one hundred and fifty hundred and
seventy million dollars. I don't think you can do that.
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I don't think I hear what you're saying. And this
is pretty intriguing. This is kind of an NBA ish,
but I think the geno thing ends that. I think
if you're Cleveland, you're in the business of drafting one
of those quarterbacks number two overall, and you trade Miles
to get a bunch more picks to then build around
him and kind of make this transition. Nick Chubb free
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agent probably gone, Miles Garrett gone, and you kind of
transition out of this, which you know, tough predicament to
be in, but kind of is what it is. I
think that'll that's our last question for the day. Hopefully
everyone has a good weekend. We will, we'll talk soon
and have a good time doing whatever you're doing. Peace
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