March 3, 2025 • 29 mins
NBA legend Paul Pierce joins The Herd to talk about the Celtics and how players become faces of the league
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
This is a hard league, like you were known as
a clutch player. Is it fair for me to say
I can love Jason, but there are times I think
people have taken the ball out of his hands on
his own team.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now that's a great question.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Well, you know I'm saying, listen, Jason Chatum is going
to get criticized no matter what, because before he won
a championship, it was like, can he get over the hump?
Can he be this player? Can he be the guy?
And now he's won a championship and now look at
we're sitting here talking about is he clutch? Well, let
me tell you something, Colin, Jason, this is one of
the more clutch players that we just talk about like
time and moment, but like big games when you need it.
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When I go back and look at Game seven versus
what is Milwaukee when he had the Bill game, or
that huge game in Philadelphia where they were on the ropes.
Like if Philadelphia wins in Philadelphia a year ago, they
would go up three to two, but he goes out
for the fifty ball or something like that. Those are
cutch moments in playoff games. Now there's gonna be time
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to listen. I'm gonna tell you one thing. I've missed
way more shots than the clutch that I've made. Jordan
has to and he'll tell you that. But when it's
on the big stage, that's where you want to see
it the most. And I think that's where he doesn't
get credit because we talk about like in Golden State
he didn't play his best and we all know that
he's young. Guys, Listen, he's only twenty just turned twenty seven,
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been the six conference finals, already a championship.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well, if somebody said this to me last year when
I was saying the same thing, they said, you get
punished today. Michael Jordan set the standard that you had
to be a little bit of a.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Jerk to be it, you know, like nil, He's not
a jerk, that's.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Not what he is.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Like he went to a Duke. We all know that.
That what we think about duke players.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You know, a certain class and they played together as
a team, and.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well they come up as more suburbian guys. There's Carolina.
Yeah this is I don't know. I'll play who There's
Duke in Carolina City suburbs. That's what Duke and Carolina is, okay,
And the suburb guys they don't get the respect.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
They just don't.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's interesting because I always look at him as a
guy is and I think it's harder for players. So
even back in Michael Jordan's era or your era, at
probably the beginning, you guys were all fighting for a
sliver of the pie.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
All the guys now are getting paid.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I mean, Jalen Brown's contract is a thousand times better
than any Michael contract. And so I think there isn't
an and the league has changed. There's no hand check.
So once once you had the brawl in Detroit, the
league is got morphinesse. They don't like the physicality they
and so players don't have to fight as much like
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a lot of it is, keep your body healthy, get
on the training table, be available for sixty eight regular
season games. So here's where I defend Tatum. The world's changed, Yeah,
it's not. I mean, go to your first couple of
years in the league. There were fights a lot in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Practice, in the game, Yes.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
We had pretty well attacked the coat.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, Like it's a different world today.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It really is a different world.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
As you say that, when you got guys who are
coming off the bench that can make a hundred million,
and when you got guys from not only from AAU
to college all the way through can make millions of dollars,
I think it takes away that competitive spirit a little bit,
not a little bit, not a little bit, because when
you had that guy, when I came into the league,
you had that guy, like you know what the minimum was.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I think the minimum contract was like five hundred thousand.
You know what I'm saying. So half of that has
already gone. Guys.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
It's trying to feed they you and the NBA. It's
expectations and all of this. But now when I was
exiting the league, kind of when Gods was like, you know,
what are you worried about?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Was like, you know what some of the young guys said,
I worried about my brand. You know that was the
conversations that was going on in the locker room. I
worry about my brand this or that or this or
that and making my money because think about this, when
you become the brand winner for your family and you've
made it finally, you like, it's sort of a sense
of complacency gets inside. Only the great ones don't look
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at the money, you know. I never looked at my
contracts coming up. I can assign an extension. I never
looked at that. I always want the work to be
the best. And then whatever happened, my agent called me
and saying, oh, you're up for an extension.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh I am oh, I am oh. I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Okay, how much? Go ahead, go ahead, right whatever. But
it just it just takes some of the competitive nature
because you can't grab, because you can't hold, because if
you push a guy or get a squabble, you're gonna
get suspended ten to fifteen games. It just takes that
fire out of it. No one likes each other, and
the storyline is like that was the storyline. You can't
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tick the game and said they oh this was war
from the last game.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I mean the Pistons and MJ they they still hate
each other.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying that that was interesting for
me a kid to watch that, like ooh, let's see
what's gonna happen? Like it was like almost like a movie,
like it's show, you know, it was like drama.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
There was a drama, real drama in it. Like where
is it at today?
Speaker 5 (05:22):
So let's let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I have defended j McK and I defend the NBA
all time, all the time, and people say, well, everybody
talks about the other era and the players are more
skilled now.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
And I think, you know it's I said this.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
When it comes to like politics, your political party can
be in the dumps. I remember the Democrats got crushed
three elections in a row. Then they found Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Everything was ever was fine.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And it's the same in sports, Luca and and Lebron together. Now,
Oh the ratings are up. Oh, Jimmy Butler the Warriors,
the ratings are up. I do think this is true.
International players Paul do not care about being faces of
the league. They don't care, and they usually go to
bad teams. We don't see him playing in college, so
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by the time they're great, we don't know their story.
Americans love stories. And I don't think the league needs
a face of the league, but I do think because
the league is now so international, it's harder to find.
By the way, even if a kid goes to Duke,
he goes for thirty games and he's gone, Yeah. Whereas
like in football, Paul, I can watch a quarterback play
at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Four years right, like Baker.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Mayfield comes out. I got a big Baker opinion. I
barely know that.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So I just my take is, I don't think the
league needs it, but I think it's harder to be
a face of the league today.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Maybe the thing about the face of the league Colin
and Jason is just like it has to be accepted
amongst people. It has to be you know, like most
And I was saying, it's somewhat earlier that listen most
of the faces of the league, and there's only been
a few like they were.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You kind of saw it coming. We knew Magic was.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Gonna be taken over the league by storm, because it's
just you had a chance to grow at him. You
saw his story. Then you go to the Lakers. Then
you had Bird who was his counterpart. It was just like, oh,
you gravitated toward that story. Then Michael Jordan comes along
you like, oh, he won a national championship as a freshman. Oh,
he's on this USA team destroying pros right now.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Jerry Tiger Woods fifteen years old. Okay, he's replacing the bear.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yes, you saw the upbringing up it.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So like now, other faces of the league develop in
the league, like Curry developed in the league. Like Durant
you saw his be good, but he developed into that
in the league because they won Lebron Before he even won,
he was gonna become the chosen one right out of
high school. It was like it was like almost from Chowdber.
It's like you almost saw it coming. Like now we're
in a place to where the game is international. There's
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no second coming that we can see out of high school,
out of college.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And maybe we can develop some in the pros right now.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Jason Tatum has the resume for it, but people aren't
gravitating toward them like that because we live in the
world to where we give give.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
And everything is out public wise. He doesn't give that.
You know what I'm saying the social media, the interview.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
This at you, and I'm gonna sound like an old guy.
He's a little more Drake than Kendrick Lamar. He's very no,
I mean he's a little paulished. He's got the resume.
There's a lot of numbers.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Well, Drake has been the face of hip hop though yes, yes,
like Kendrick just took that over, like he just took
that like at no point as Tatum been the face,
you know. But I think that's something that's like there's
so many great players, and why can't the face be
an international star? So international hand bey, but they don't
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want it. Who comes into the league and says, hey,
I want to.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Be the face.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
No, you gotta earn that. That has to be given
to you. First of all, your shoes, your shoe contract. Really,
the shoe companies make.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You the face.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
True, it helps a lot because when your shoes are
selling out the new and you one of those players
that you go to lose au tournaments, I'll go to
them and I see who with the kids are wearing.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You'd be like, oh, okay, that's what they gravitate.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Lebron, MJ. Steph got their own shoe, whereas Tatum got
a shoe in Jordan's.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Brand exactly brand that's exactly totally different.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
That's the thing though, Like you know, like players are
gravitating toward Anthony Edwards, the youngins. That's what you gotta
look he was gonna be it. That's what they That's
what the that's the you gotta look at the youth.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
What if he played in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh man, right now.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
See that's I think he'd be the face of the league.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
He'll be on his way. Like you could argue, Luca
is probably gonna be the face of the league. He's
not even trying. He's not even trying, but he's in LA.
He got swaged. People was like, oh, let.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Me tell us, So you're from LA. I made this argument,
So you grow up in Europe. You're doing hookah bars
and drinking when you're sixteen. That's the way it is
in Europe. Yeah, And I made this argument. Ad got
in better shape living in LA and being around Lebron.
Is that I spent this weekend in Chicago. Great food,
but I don't think of health and wellness when I'm
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in Chicago. When I'm in LA, I'm at creation, I'm
getting green juices.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I never eat sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I made this argument, Luca will get in better shape
living in La next to Lebron.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, yeah, because he has that influence around him too.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Like if he was in La no Lebron on a
losing team, we gonna probably catch a few TMZ pictures
of him at the.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Hookah bar and drinking a few beers. I'm telling you,
but there is something because there's so much to do here.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
There is a lot, you know, So I thank god
he has this positive influence. This guy has been the
postal boy of health in all of sports, the guy
who's played the longest, the best at the highest level,
right here next to you on your locker. Of course
you won't get in better shape if that influence don't
do something for you, then what will.
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Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, so we've had seven champions in seven years. You
never repeated, but you did come back. I remember the
year after that and won like sixty plus games. Yes,
So what is the hardest part about repeating? Because I'm
watching Cleveland come back and beat Boston.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Now they've got.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
New York's number. I don't worry about that. I watched
them beat Denver, but go back to your year you
had the best team. Yeah, there's an argument, you're almost
better the next year after you won.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, I think we were.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And you didn't win.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Why because we lost Kevin Garnett. We did, Kevin Garnett
got hurt. The next year we still wont. He missed
thirty games and we still won sixty games. You know,
but it's a challenge. The health is the number one thing.
And I think and also, like you got to say,
other teams, once you win, you set the model of
what winning looks like. And like you say, and we
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all say, it's a copycat league. So now players want
to get players to counter what you got. So now
we got to get better. So everybody got like Cleveland
got better, New York got better. After seeing that, Lakers Lakers,
Lakers just got better. People see Dallas just got better.
So whereas the champs, they don't have a need to
get better because we won. Now you gotta once you understand,
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you have to set a new bar. You have to
get better every year. And so the celtis credit. I
think the Celtics are better this year.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Actually, you know what I think defensively, and I think
this is the difference I think it's hard to ask
players on a Friday night in the regular season, give
me your best defensive effort. If you look at the top,
like twelve best defensive players, Celtics have three of them, right,
I think they have three in the in the in
the playoffs, when we're all equally rested, the games on
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national TV. You are playing a defensive level. You're not
playing on a Friday night in.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The exactly and on one day of a scouting report,
like when you sit down and we going to this
room for this week and we scout you and say,
all right, we got you all for seven games.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
We're gonna cut off all yall strengths and weaknesses.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Now, if we can do this in the regular season
after one day arrest, what do you think we're gonna
do after like four or five days of watching film
prepping for you and we're healthy. Like, they're the most
versatile defense because you got.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Wingmen and they defend the rim.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
The wing and our guards could guard Biggs. I'm looking
at Drew Holliday over there at Garden Evan Mobley some
nights like just switching on to him, just fighting them
in the post and stuff like that. We got tough guards,
We got tough wingmen, and you know what porzingis brings
with this inside present with our Horford leadership. So I'm
not really worried about them. Sometimes they can get complacent,
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you know, because of the regular season. I think that's
the big challenge when you've already won and you know
pretty much everybody got their money. So ain't nobody playing
for no contract? Think about that? Think about that. Ain't
nobody playing for all the time his deal?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Didn't he is Derek getting paid? Yeah, he got his deal.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Everybody got their money.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
So like wherever you have a few guys that's like
playing for their money, It's like they gonna play a
little bit different.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
But everybody got their money.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
We won a championship, so like now the mindset is like,
let's get to the point playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's just that's just human nature.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You know, we don't get your ton on the show
because we don't want to bother you.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No. You know, I love coming over, child.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I love having on the show man always, always all
those good times. By the way he goes and play,
I'm not going to give you a I'm not going
to give away too much Paul plays once a week
in the league. It never brags about it. And you
think you got Dominique here on the wind. I've heard
I've heard about every game in the last two years. Man.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I think he told me when he like, what you
owe for two hundred now in the league? Made one shot.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
I love talking hoops with this guy.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah you should.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
What is your game?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
My game is three and d oh, my goodness, his
game is Zach Levine without the hops or the handles.
The hops. Has invited me to his coat.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Squad and then he's gonna be like, I don't know
this guy.
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This is the Herdline news, So breaking news to end
the show calling. The Cincinnati Bengals have just announced they
tagged T Higgins.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
They're great wide receiver.
Speaker 11 (16:54):
He's been franchised tagged for a second straight year.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
I wasn't able to see if Higgins is responding on
social media.
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We know he hasn't been thrilled with some of the
shatter coming out of the organization, but this enables them
now to work on a long term deal for him.
I'm just curious your initial thoughts on a second.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Straight year franchise tagging team.
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You know, the franchise tag is legal. Players may not
like it, but he's gonna get paid more on a
franchise single year than he would on an average if
he had a longer contract.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
So he's gonna be paid.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I mean, the good news is a franchise tag makes
your top five player in terms of compensation to your position.
So he will be paid like a number one with
the franchise tag, big time money. I mean, what will
his franchise tag number be?
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Significant?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Yeah? So, and I think it's this is what teams do. Often.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Teams do this when they're already paying somebody inside the unit.
Let's say, like right now, the Chargers are paying Bosa
and Khalil Mack. You can only do that for so
long where you're paying you know, kind of the same position,
or you know, it's hard to pay Chris Jones and
another interior defensive lineman for the Chiefs. So right now,
his franchise tag will be twenty six and a half million.
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That is a lot for a number two receiver.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
He's got to be the highest. That's number one receiver money.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
Actually the Eagles DeVante Smith might be higher than him,
but as a number two. Yeah, listen, you gotta keep
t Higgins. It's gonna keep Burrow happy. I just don't
know if they're gonna be able to fill out the
rest of their rosters.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, yeah they can, but like for instance, if you
have Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T Higgins.
Speaker 11 (18:28):
When they tried that last year, they outscored a lot
of people, but the defense couldn't.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, that's why you that's why you spend your money
and your draft capital on defensive players. I mean, I
saw one NFL team this weekend set no offensive coaches
of the combine. They sent all defensive coaches, and their
take was, that's where we're that we got our offense fixed.
So I think if I'm Cincinnati and I got my
draft picks, I overwhelming.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
This is what Kansas City did years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Kansas City said we're gonna pay Mahomes, we're gonna pay
Joe Tooney, we're gonna pay Travis Kelsey, and we're paying
Chris Jones. So we're gonna get as cheap as we can.
On the defensive end. They let Snead go the corner,
and so I think the Rams are doing this. Rams
pay nobody on defense because they play a tight end,
a right tackle, a quarterback Cooper Cup. So I think
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what you have to know if you're Cincinnati, if you're gonna
pay Burrow and two receivers next two years, your draft
capital overwhelmingly has to be on the defensive side.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
You can get cheaper labor on that song.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Look at the Eagles.
Speaker 11 (19:25):
They locked up the quarterback, two receivers, added Saquon Barkley,
and they have a ton of young studs.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
On Defensese right and Jalen Carter Dean two corners. Yeah,
you don't just have to hit their defense. You have
to hit your defensive pa.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
They haven't always done that, but it's difficult.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
Let's move on to another potential big story in the NFL,
and that's Miles Garrett and the Browns remaining at a crossroads.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
There was shatter over the.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Weekend that the Buffalo.
Speaker 11 (19:49):
Bills are making a push for Miles Garrett. But the
only kicker is Cleveland has to start listening to offers.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Apparently they will not pick up the phone, but the.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Bills are calling.
Speaker 11 (19:59):
It's I call you on some weekends and talk sports
and you just ignore me. I guess that's what the
Browns are doing with the Bills.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
But I like this attitude from Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Hey man, we're close. Is it very close to taking
down the teams with a better team.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Miles Garrett wants to play for a big time team,
so ask yourself. What teams feel like they need a
little oop to get over there?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Five?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Green Bay, Buffalo, Baltimore, Detroit. So now I think Detroit
is going to draft an edge. I think that's what
I keep all the mock drafts. I see Detroit's gonna
get somebody opposite of Aiden Hutchison because their offense similarly
is filled out.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
So Detroit is a prime example.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
They got their offense O line, tight end, receiver, quarterback back.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
They're fine. They have to go and head on four
or five defensive picks.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yeah they what they give it forty five to Washington.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yep, I mean some of that was they.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Got to get Detroit has to get faster at lineback,
much faster.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Final story, Colin is my New York Jets.
Speaker 11 (20:56):
They are shopping DeVante Adams and it sounds like the
shopping trip is not going well. He is set to
earn thirty five mil in each of the next two seasons,
which makes it difficult to trade him.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Like, I mean, who wants to absorb thirty five mil?
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Now, As a Jets optimist, I'm positive that somebody will
step up and say, you know what, we could take
caps going up. We're a wide receiver away from making
the jump. Would the Chargers. Now it's Tee Higgins is
off the chess board, do you turn your attention.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
To Devonte Adam?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, you know the field in Maconkee underneath, Yeah, I
mean it's interesting so New England with Drake may So
my take is Rabel does not want to spend He's
going to be very much like Harbaugh. He's going to
draft wide receiver and spend his money on the O
lines and D lines. I mean last year Harbaugh kept
Mac and Bosa drafted receivers. Let Keenan go right, let
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Mike Williams go. So I keep thinking all these receivers
would be perfect in New England. But I don't think
that's not Brabel's DNA.
Speaker 11 (22:01):
I would look at Houston, which is going to move
on from Diggs, has had injuries at receiver, and you
don't want CJ.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Stroud taking another step back.
Speaker 11 (22:10):
I think they make a move on Davante, and everybody
else thinks, hey, wait a second, why would it.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Davante just go wherever Aaron Rodgers goes.
Speaker 11 (22:17):
If the Jets can't trade him, they just have to
release him, and then DeVante Adams are going very attractive.
Here's a list of the highest cap hits from non
quarterbacks and oh look, Devanta Adams is at the top.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Of the list.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
Not a not a lot of playoff their trips there
from CD.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I'm into.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I mean, I like DeVante Adams. It didn't it didn't
change the Jets ascension. Some of that could have been
I think coaching. I think he's got value. I think
the kind of team that would go get him. Is
there a rookie quarterback up that needs help and it's
a make or break year for the rookie quarterback quote Nicks.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Would they would they?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't think so. I think they're gonna draft. Well,
they're already paying Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So no, Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Would they kick the tires now.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Once they move on to I think they. I think
Atlanta would. They're paying too much for Kirk Cousins next
year not to play. I think I think they're go defense.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
They got to make the playoffs this year. There's some
pressure in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, I agree J Mack with the news, Well that's
the news and thanks for stopping that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
The good stuff today by Paul Pierce.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I thought what Paul said is that, you know, And
I had said this earlier about Jason Tatum in the
gold medal game. He had two points the previous game
against Serbia. Coach's decision, didn't play. That's not a face
of the NBA. The Olympics is there's a reason that
Lebron keeps going to the Olympics. I mean it's it's
good for business. There is a reason staff and Lebron
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and the great player their agents want them to go
to the Olympics. It's good for shoe sales. It's just
good for uh, you know, keeping your name out there.
Jason Tatum went to the Olympics and was struggling to
get minutes. That's not a face of the league. And
I also think Jason Tatum's personality, he's not super hyper aggressive.
He's just gifted, hardworking, productive. And you get to the
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Olympics and you know, I're just watching a documentary the
other day we beat we beat the Dream Team. It's
a great documentary out there. And just the egos among
Magic and Bird and Jordan, and you know, there's a
lot of ego on the line. And these gold medal
in these Olympic basketball teams and Tatum's a fairly ego
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less star in the NBA. He's just a just a
really really good player. So it's it like Friday Night's.
A great example is that you know Tatum had a
big he came out I'm gonna be the.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Best player on the floor, and he was.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
But late in the game, I'm looking for Jason Tatum
to hit a bucket and he didn't get it. So
I think the one thing you have to be you
have to be perceived as a great clab player. Tatum
is not perceived as a great cut clutch player. He's
just perceived as a very very good player who's very productive.
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But again, the Celtics and Duke as your sort of backstops,
your resume fillers, help in that pursuit, and I do
think the Celtics are going to win back to back championships.
Jimmy Johnson, who's been at Fox for a long time,
an NFL Hall of Famer, a College Football Hall of Famer,
and a National Association of Broadcasting Hall of Famer, joined
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US earlier today to announce his retirement from Fox Sports.
Speaker 12 (25:37):
The most fun I've ever had in my career, and
that's town Super Bowls, and National Championships.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Was at Fox Sports.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
You know, I have an absolute ball with my friends
on the set and the best friends I've ever had
there with Fox, and and then I'll tell you on
top of that, you know, I love working for Eric Shanks,
our CEO, and our producer Bill Richards.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
But I've made an.
Speaker 12 (26:07):
Extremely difficult decision. I've been thinking about it for the
last four or five years, and I've decided to retire
from Fox. And I'm gonna miss it. I'm gonna miss
all the guys and I'll see them occasionally. But it
has been a great run starting back thirty one years ago.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know it's I was looking at the video as
Jimmy was on and we were showing the Dallas Cowboy
video with Jerry Jones. And you know the backstory now
that's been fairly well documented. So when Jimmy came to Dallas,
he replaced Tom Landry. I remember this well. Tom Landry
was a great religious conviction. He was sort of like
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almost a father figure, total class dignity, and Jimmy got
they got a lot of heat, even though Dallas was
a mess. When Jerry Jones let Tom Landry go and
hire Jimmy. It was an an initial met with a
derision and criticism because Jimmy was seen as sort of
young and brash, and that was of course Jerry Jones,
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and they weren't very good out of the shoot, so
it was easy to pile on Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones.
But Jerry took one hundred and fifty million dollar loan
and for the first couple two three years they had
to pay that loan off, and so Jerry was not
in the football operation side. They talk every day maybe,
but it was after and then he paid the loan
(27:31):
off and they started making big money, and you know,
Jerry Jones said, this is my toy.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I want to have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And since that time, I think, in my opinion, Jerry
Jones has meddled too much with football to the point
now where they've just made too many mistakes and they
feel like maybe they're the sixteenth seventeenth best team in
the league with a new coaching staff. But it was
an incredible ride, and Jimmy did something that it's now
(28:00):
been discussed in our show, but people teams did not
make trades, and not only it just shows you how
important relentlessness is this legend. Jimmy Johnson in three separate
Hall of Fames, got nothing but crap his first year
to year and a half in Dallas. And then when
he made that trade of herschel Walker that was so
(28:23):
unsettling people didn't know what to make of it.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Now that's sort of the guide.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
In fact, if you look up NFL draft chart, if
you google that, I look at you know, I printed
that thing multiple times. That's kind of a creation of
Jimmy Johnson. So he believed in himself. He believed in
the process. But even for an all time three different
Hall of Fame's coach and broadcaster, it's tough. Those are
mean streets and you're gonna have to overcome and deal
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with turbulence and scorn and derision. And he did it.
And today what a career. Jimmy retired at Fox. We'll
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
This is a hard league, like you were known as
a clutch player. Is it fair for me to say
I can love Jason, but there are times I think
people have taken the ball out of his hands on
his own team.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now that's a great question.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Well, you know I'm saying, listen, Jason Chatum is going
to get criticized no matter what, because before he won
a championship, it was like, can he get over the hump?
Can he be this player? Can he be the guy?
And now he's won a championship and now look at
we're sitting here talking about is he clutch? Well, let
me tell you something, Colin, Jason, this is one of
the more clutch players that we just talk about like
time and moment, but like big games when you need it.
(01:01):
When I go back and look at Game seven versus
what is Milwaukee when he had the Bill game, or
that huge game in Philadelphia where they were on the ropes.
Like if Philadelphia wins in Philadelphia a year ago, they
would go up three to two, but he goes out
for the fifty ball or something like that. Those are
cutch moments in playoff games. Now there's gonna be time
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to listen. I'm gonna tell you one thing. I've missed
way more shots than the clutch that I've made. Jordan
has to and he'll tell you that. But when it's
on the big stage, that's where you want to see
it the most. And I think that's where he doesn't
get credit because we talk about like in Golden State
he didn't play his best and we all know that
he's young. Guys, Listen, he's only twenty just turned twenty seven,
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been the six conference finals, already a championship.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well, if somebody said this to me last year when
I was saying the same thing, they said, you get
punished today. Michael Jordan set the standard that you had
to be a little bit of a.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Jerk to be it, you know, like nil, He's not
a jerk, that's.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Not what he is.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Like he went to a Duke. We all know that.
That what we think about duke players.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You know, a certain class and they played together as
a team, and.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well they come up as more suburbian guys. There's Carolina.
Yeah this is I don't know. I'll play who There's
Duke in Carolina City suburbs. That's what Duke and Carolina is, okay,
And the suburb guys they don't get the respect.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
They just don't.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's interesting because I always look at him as a
guy is and I think it's harder for players. So
even back in Michael Jordan's era or your era, at
probably the beginning, you guys were all fighting for a
sliver of the pie.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
All the guys now are getting paid.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I mean, Jalen Brown's contract is a thousand times better
than any Michael contract. And so I think there isn't
an and the league has changed. There's no hand check.
So once once you had the brawl in Detroit, the
league is got morphinesse. They don't like the physicality they
and so players don't have to fight as much like
(03:08):
a lot of it is, keep your body healthy, get
on the training table, be available for sixty eight regular
season games. So here's where I defend Tatum. The world's changed, Yeah,
it's not. I mean, go to your first couple of
years in the league. There were fights a lot in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Practice, in the game, Yes.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
We had pretty well attacked the coat.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, Like it's a different world today.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It really is a different world.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
As you say that, when you got guys who are
coming off the bench that can make a hundred million,
and when you got guys from not only from AAU
to college all the way through can make millions of dollars,
I think it takes away that competitive spirit a little bit,
not a little bit, not a little bit, because when
you had that guy, when I came into the league,
you had that guy, like you know what the minimum was.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I think the minimum contract was like five hundred thousand.
You know what I'm saying. So half of that has
already gone. Guys.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
It's trying to feed they you and the NBA. It's
expectations and all of this. But now when I was
exiting the league, kind of when Gods was like, you know,
what are you worried about?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Was like, you know what some of the young guys said,
I worried about my brand. You know that was the
conversations that was going on in the locker room. I
worry about my brand this or that or this or
that and making my money because think about this, when
you become the brand winner for your family and you've
made it finally, you like, it's sort of a sense
of complacency gets inside. Only the great ones don't look
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at the money, you know. I never looked at my
contracts coming up. I can assign an extension. I never
looked at that. I always want the work to be
the best. And then whatever happened, my agent called me
and saying, oh, you're up for an extension.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh I am oh, I am oh. I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Okay, how much? Go ahead, go ahead, right whatever. But
it just it just takes some of the competitive nature
because you can't grab, because you can't hold, because if
you push a guy or get a squabble, you're gonna
get suspended ten to fifteen games. It just takes that
fire out of it. No one likes each other, and
the storyline is like that was the storyline. You can't
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tick the game and said they oh this was war
from the last game.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I mean the Pistons and MJ they they still hate
each other.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying that that was interesting for
me a kid to watch that, like ooh, let's see
what's gonna happen? Like it was like almost like a movie,
like it's show, you know, it was like drama.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
There was a drama, real drama in it. Like where
is it at today?
Speaker 5 (05:22):
So let's let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I have defended j McK and I defend the NBA
all time, all the time, and people say, well, everybody
talks about the other era and the players are more
skilled now.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
And I think, you know it's I said this.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
When it comes to like politics, your political party can
be in the dumps. I remember the Democrats got crushed
three elections in a row. Then they found Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Everything was ever was fine.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And it's the same in sports, Luca and and Lebron together. Now,
Oh the ratings are up. Oh, Jimmy Butler the Warriors,
the ratings are up. I do think this is true.
International players Paul do not care about being faces of
the league. They don't care, and they usually go to
bad teams. We don't see him playing in college, so
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by the time they're great, we don't know their story.
Americans love stories. And I don't think the league needs
a face of the league, but I do think because
the league is now so international, it's harder to find.
By the way, even if a kid goes to Duke,
he goes for thirty games and he's gone, Yeah. Whereas
like in football, Paul, I can watch a quarterback play
at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Four years right, like Baker.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Mayfield comes out. I got a big Baker opinion. I
barely know that.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So I just my take is, I don't think the
league needs it, but I think it's harder to be
a face of the league today.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Maybe the thing about the face of the league Colin
and Jason is just like it has to be accepted
amongst people. It has to be you know, like most
And I was saying, it's somewhat earlier that listen most
of the faces of the league, and there's only been
a few like they were.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You kind of saw it coming. We knew Magic was.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Gonna be taken over the league by storm, because it's
just you had a chance to grow at him. You
saw his story. Then you go to the Lakers. Then
you had Bird who was his counterpart. It was just like, oh,
you gravitated toward that story. Then Michael Jordan comes along
you like, oh, he won a national championship as a freshman. Oh,
he's on this USA team destroying pros right now.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Jerry Tiger Woods fifteen years old. Okay, he's replacing the bear.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yes, you saw the upbringing up it.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So like now, other faces of the league develop in
the league, like Curry developed in the league. Like Durant
you saw his be good, but he developed into that
in the league because they won Lebron Before he even won,
he was gonna become the chosen one right out of
high school. It was like it was like almost from Chowdber.
It's like you almost saw it coming. Like now we're
in a place to where the game is international. There's
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no second coming that we can see out of high school,
out of college.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And maybe we can develop some in the pros right now.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Jason Tatum has the resume for it, but people aren't
gravitating toward them like that because we live in the
world to where we give give.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
And everything is out public wise. He doesn't give that.
You know what I'm saying the social media, the interview.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
This at you, and I'm gonna sound like an old guy.
He's a little more Drake than Kendrick Lamar. He's very no,
I mean he's a little paulished. He's got the resume.
There's a lot of numbers.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Well, Drake has been the face of hip hop though yes, yes,
like Kendrick just took that over, like he just took
that like at no point as Tatum been the face,
you know. But I think that's something that's like there's
so many great players, and why can't the face be
an international star? So international hand bey, but they don't
(08:44):
want it. Who comes into the league and says, hey,
I want to.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Be the face.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
No, you gotta earn that. That has to be given
to you. First of all, your shoes, your shoe contract. Really,
the shoe companies make.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You the face.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
True, it helps a lot because when your shoes are
selling out the new and you one of those players
that you go to lose au tournaments, I'll go to
them and I see who with the kids are wearing.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You'd be like, oh, okay, that's what they gravitate.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Lebron, MJ. Steph got their own shoe, whereas Tatum got
a shoe in Jordan's.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Brand exactly brand that's exactly totally different.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
That's the thing though, Like you know, like players are
gravitating toward Anthony Edwards, the youngins. That's what you gotta
look he was gonna be it. That's what they That's
what the that's the you gotta look at the youth.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
What if he played in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh man, right now.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
See that's I think he'd be the face of the league.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
He'll be on his way. Like you could argue, Luca
is probably gonna be the face of the league. He's
not even trying. He's not even trying, but he's in LA.
He got swaged. People was like, oh, let.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Me tell us, So you're from LA. I made this argument,
So you grow up in Europe. You're doing hookah bars
and drinking when you're sixteen. That's the way it is
in Europe. Yeah, And I made this argument. Ad got
in better shape living in LA and being around Lebron.
Is that I spent this weekend in Chicago. Great food,
but I don't think of health and wellness when I'm
(10:09):
in Chicago. When I'm in LA, I'm at creation, I'm
getting green juices.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I never eat sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I made this argument, Luca will get in better shape
living in La next to Lebron.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, yeah, because he has that influence around him too.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Like if he was in La no Lebron on a
losing team, we gonna probably catch a few TMZ pictures
of him at the.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Hookah bar and drinking a few beers. I'm telling you,
but there is something because there's so much to do here.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
There is a lot, you know, So I thank god
he has this positive influence. This guy has been the
postal boy of health in all of sports, the guy
who's played the longest, the best at the highest level,
right here next to you on your locker. Of course
you won't get in better shape if that influence don't
do something for you, then what will.
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Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, so we've had seven champions in seven years. You
never repeated, but you did come back. I remember the
year after that and won like sixty plus games. Yes,
So what is the hardest part about repeating? Because I'm
watching Cleveland come back and beat Boston.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Now they've got.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
New York's number. I don't worry about that. I watched
them beat Denver, but go back to your year you
had the best team. Yeah, there's an argument, you're almost
better the next year after you won.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, I think we were.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And you didn't win.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Why because we lost Kevin Garnett. We did, Kevin Garnett
got hurt. The next year we still wont. He missed
thirty games and we still won sixty games. You know,
but it's a challenge. The health is the number one thing.
And I think and also, like you got to say,
other teams, once you win, you set the model of
what winning looks like. And like you say, and we
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all say, it's a copycat league. So now players want
to get players to counter what you got. So now
we got to get better. So everybody got like Cleveland
got better, New York got better. After seeing that, Lakers Lakers,
Lakers just got better. People see Dallas just got better.
So whereas the champs, they don't have a need to
get better because we won. Now you gotta once you understand,
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you have to set a new bar. You have to
get better every year. And so the celtis credit. I
think the Celtics are better this year.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Actually, you know what I think defensively, and I think
this is the difference I think it's hard to ask
players on a Friday night in the regular season, give
me your best defensive effort. If you look at the top,
like twelve best defensive players, Celtics have three of them, right,
I think they have three in the in the in
the playoffs, when we're all equally rested, the games on
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national TV. You are playing a defensive level. You're not
playing on a Friday night in.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The exactly and on one day of a scouting report,
like when you sit down and we going to this
room for this week and we scout you and say,
all right, we got you all for seven games.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
We're gonna cut off all yall strengths and weaknesses.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Now, if we can do this in the regular season
after one day arrest, what do you think we're gonna
do after like four or five days of watching film
prepping for you and we're healthy. Like, they're the most
versatile defense because you got.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Wingmen and they defend the rim.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
The wing and our guards could guard Biggs. I'm looking
at Drew Holliday over there at Garden Evan Mobley some
nights like just switching on to him, just fighting them
in the post and stuff like that. We got tough guards,
We got tough wingmen, and you know what porzingis brings
with this inside present with our Horford leadership. So I'm
not really worried about them. Sometimes they can get complacent,
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you know, because of the regular season. I think that's
the big challenge when you've already won and you know
pretty much everybody got their money. So ain't nobody playing
for no contract? Think about that? Think about that. Ain't
nobody playing for all the time his deal?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Didn't he is Derek getting paid? Yeah, he got his deal.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Everybody got their money.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
So like wherever you have a few guys that's like
playing for their money, It's like they gonna play a
little bit different.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
But everybody got their money.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
We won a championship, so like now the mindset is like,
let's get to the point playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's just that's just human nature.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You know, we don't get your ton on the show
because we don't want to bother you.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No. You know, I love coming over, child.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I love having on the show man always, always all
those good times. By the way he goes and play,
I'm not going to give you a I'm not going
to give away too much Paul plays once a week
in the league. It never brags about it. And you
think you got Dominique here on the wind. I've heard
I've heard about every game in the last two years. Man.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I think he told me when he like, what you
owe for two hundred now in the league? Made one shot.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
I love talking hoops with this guy.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah you should.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
What is your game?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
My game is three and d oh, my goodness, his
game is Zach Levine without the hops or the handles.
The hops. Has invited me to his coat.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Squad and then he's gonna be like, I don't know
this guy.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
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That's Covino and Rich.
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It's enough Fox Sports.
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Who has been I'm Rordy the anchor of our NFL
Sunday show for years here at Fox, which for thirty
one straight years has been the number one network show
pregame show.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Among all networks.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Jimmy Johnson announced his retirement on our show, very emotional
and one of the better guys and smarter guys I've
ever worked with.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
He was our coach, he was your coach.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
NFL college football and sort of our coach at Fox
Sports as well, sort of anchored it all, brought it
all together between hosts and athletes and commentators, and nobody
cared more or did it better or is a bigger
ally of Fox than we.
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Appreciate his years.
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We hope to get him on occasionally and he will
not stop watching football that we know.
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And here's Jmack with the news.
Speaker 11 (16:44):
This is the Herdline news, So breaking news to end
the show calling. The Cincinnati Bengals have just announced they
tagged T Higgins.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
They're great wide receiver.
Speaker 11 (16:54):
He's been franchised tagged for a second straight year.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
I wasn't able to see if Higgins is responding on
social media.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
We know he hasn't been thrilled with some of the
shatter coming out of the organization, but this enables them
now to work on a long term deal for him.
I'm just curious your initial thoughts on a second.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Straight year franchise tagging team.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You know, the franchise tag is legal. Players may not
like it, but he's gonna get paid more on a
franchise single year than he would on an average if
he had a longer contract.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
So he's gonna be paid.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I mean, the good news is a franchise tag makes
your top five player in terms of compensation to your position.
So he will be paid like a number one with
the franchise tag, big time money. I mean, what will
his franchise tag number be?
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Significant?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Yeah? So, and I think it's this is what teams do. Often.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Teams do this when they're already paying somebody inside the unit.
Let's say, like right now, the Chargers are paying Bosa
and Khalil Mack. You can only do that for so
long where you're paying you know, kind of the same position,
or you know, it's hard to pay Chris Jones and
another interior defensive lineman for the Chiefs. So right now,
his franchise tag will be twenty six and a half million.
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That is a lot for a number two receiver.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
He's got to be the highest. That's number one receiver money.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
Actually the Eagles DeVante Smith might be higher than him,
but as a number two. Yeah, listen, you gotta keep
t Higgins. It's gonna keep Burrow happy. I just don't
know if they're gonna be able to fill out the
rest of their rosters.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, yeah they can, but like for instance, if you
have Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T Higgins.
Speaker 11 (18:28):
When they tried that last year, they outscored a lot
of people, but the defense couldn't.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, that's why you that's why you spend your money
and your draft capital on defensive players. I mean, I
saw one NFL team this weekend set no offensive coaches
of the combine. They sent all defensive coaches, and their
take was, that's where we're that we got our offense fixed.
So I think if I'm Cincinnati and I got my
draft picks, I overwhelming.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
This is what Kansas City did years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Kansas City said we're gonna pay Mahomes, we're gonna pay
Joe Tooney, we're gonna pay Travis Kelsey, and we're paying
Chris Jones. So we're gonna get as cheap as we can.
On the defensive end. They let Snead go the corner,
and so I think the Rams are doing this. Rams
pay nobody on defense because they play a tight end,
a right tackle, a quarterback Cooper Cup. So I think
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what you have to know if you're Cincinnati, if you're gonna
pay Burrow and two receivers next two years, your draft
capital overwhelmingly has to be on the defensive side.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
You can get cheaper labor on that song.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Look at the Eagles.
Speaker 11 (19:25):
They locked up the quarterback, two receivers, added Saquon Barkley,
and they have a ton of young studs.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
On Defensese right and Jalen Carter Dean two corners. Yeah,
you don't just have to hit their defense. You have
to hit your defensive pa.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
They haven't always done that, but it's difficult.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
Let's move on to another potential big story in the NFL,
and that's Miles Garrett and the Browns remaining at a crossroads.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
There was shatter over the.
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Weekend that the Buffalo.
Speaker 11 (19:49):
Bills are making a push for Miles Garrett. But the
only kicker is Cleveland has to start listening to offers.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Apparently they will not pick up the phone, but the.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Bills are calling.
Speaker 11 (19:59):
It's I call you on some weekends and talk sports
and you just ignore me. I guess that's what the
Browns are doing with the Bills.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
But I like this attitude from Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Hey man, we're close. Is it very close to taking
down the teams with a better team.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Miles Garrett wants to play for a big time team,
so ask yourself. What teams feel like they need a
little oop to get over there?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Five?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Green Bay, Buffalo, Baltimore, Detroit. So now I think Detroit
is going to draft an edge. I think that's what
I keep all the mock drafts. I see Detroit's gonna
get somebody opposite of Aiden Hutchison because their offense similarly
is filled out.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
So Detroit is a prime example.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
They got their offense O line, tight end, receiver, quarterback back.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
They're fine. They have to go and head on four
or five defensive picks.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yeah they what they give it forty five to Washington.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yep, I mean some of that was they.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Got to get Detroit has to get faster at lineback,
much faster.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Final story, Colin is my New York Jets.
Speaker 11 (20:56):
They are shopping DeVante Adams and it sounds like the
shopping trip is not going well. He is set to
earn thirty five mil in each of the next two seasons,
which makes it difficult to trade him.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Like, I mean, who wants to absorb thirty five mil?
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Now, As a Jets optimist, I'm positive that somebody will
step up and say, you know what, we could take
caps going up. We're a wide receiver away from making
the jump. Would the Chargers. Now it's Tee Higgins is
off the chess board, do you turn your attention.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
To Devonte Adam?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, you know the field in Maconkee underneath, Yeah, I
mean it's interesting so New England with Drake may So
my take is Rabel does not want to spend He's
going to be very much like Harbaugh. He's going to
draft wide receiver and spend his money on the O
lines and D lines. I mean last year Harbaugh kept
Mac and Bosa drafted receivers. Let Keenan go right, let
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Mike Williams go. So I keep thinking all these receivers
would be perfect in New England. But I don't think
that's not Brabel's DNA.
Speaker 11 (22:01):
I would look at Houston, which is going to move
on from Diggs, has had injuries at receiver, and you
don't want CJ.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Stroud taking another step back.
Speaker 11 (22:10):
I think they make a move on Davante, and everybody
else thinks, hey, wait a second, why would it.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Davante just go wherever Aaron Rodgers goes.
Speaker 11 (22:17):
If the Jets can't trade him, they just have to
release him, and then DeVante Adams are going very attractive.
Here's a list of the highest cap hits from non
quarterbacks and oh look, Devanta Adams is at the top.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Of the list.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
Not a not a lot of playoff their trips there
from CD.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I'm into.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I mean, I like DeVante Adams. It didn't it didn't
change the Jets ascension. Some of that could have been
I think coaching. I think he's got value. I think
the kind of team that would go get him. Is
there a rookie quarterback up that needs help and it's
a make or break year for the rookie quarterback quote Nicks.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Would they would they?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't think so. I think they're gonna draft. Well,
they're already paying Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So no, Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Would they kick the tires now.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Once they move on to I think they. I think
Atlanta would. They're paying too much for Kirk Cousins next
year not to play. I think I think they're go defense.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
They got to make the playoffs this year. There's some
pressure in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, I agree J Mack with the news, Well that's
the news and thanks for stopping that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
The good stuff today by Paul Pierce.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I thought what Paul said is that, you know, And
I had said this earlier about Jason Tatum in the
gold medal game. He had two points the previous game
against Serbia. Coach's decision, didn't play. That's not a face
of the NBA. The Olympics is there's a reason that
Lebron keeps going to the Olympics. I mean it's it's
good for business. There is a reason staff and Lebron
(23:53):
and the great player their agents want them to go
to the Olympics. It's good for shoe sales. It's just
good for uh, you know, keeping your name out there.
Jason Tatum went to the Olympics and was struggling to
get minutes. That's not a face of the league. And
I also think Jason Tatum's personality, he's not super hyper aggressive.
He's just gifted, hardworking, productive. And you get to the
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Olympics and you know, I're just watching a documentary the
other day we beat we beat the Dream Team. It's
a great documentary out there. And just the egos among
Magic and Bird and Jordan, and you know, there's a
lot of ego on the line. And these gold medal
in these Olympic basketball teams and Tatum's a fairly ego
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less star in the NBA. He's just a just a
really really good player. So it's it like Friday Night's.
A great example is that you know Tatum had a
big he came out I'm gonna be the.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Best player on the floor, and he was.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
But late in the game, I'm looking for Jason Tatum
to hit a bucket and he didn't get it. So
I think the one thing you have to be you
have to be perceived as a great clab player. Tatum
is not perceived as a great cut clutch player. He's
just perceived as a very very good player who's very productive.
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But again, the Celtics and Duke as your sort of backstops,
your resume fillers, help in that pursuit, and I do
think the Celtics are going to win back to back championships.
Jimmy Johnson, who's been at Fox for a long time,
an NFL Hall of Famer, a College Football Hall of Famer,
and a National Association of Broadcasting Hall of Famer, joined
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US earlier today to announce his retirement from Fox Sports.
Speaker 12 (25:37):
The most fun I've ever had in my career, and
that's town Super Bowls, and National Championships.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Was at Fox Sports.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
You know, I have an absolute ball with my friends
on the set and the best friends I've ever had
there with Fox, and and then I'll tell you on
top of that, you know, I love working for Eric Shanks,
our CEO, and our producer Bill Richards.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
But I've made an.
Speaker 12 (26:07):
Extremely difficult decision. I've been thinking about it for the
last four or five years, and I've decided to retire
from Fox. And I'm gonna miss it. I'm gonna miss
all the guys and I'll see them occasionally. But it
has been a great run starting back thirty one years ago.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know it's I was looking at the video as
Jimmy was on and we were showing the Dallas Cowboy
video with Jerry Jones. And you know the backstory now
that's been fairly well documented. So when Jimmy came to Dallas,
he replaced Tom Landry. I remember this well. Tom Landry
was a great religious conviction. He was sort of like
(26:47):
almost a father figure, total class dignity, and Jimmy got
they got a lot of heat, even though Dallas was
a mess. When Jerry Jones let Tom Landry go and
hire Jimmy. It was an an initial met with a
derision and criticism because Jimmy was seen as sort of
young and brash, and that was of course Jerry Jones,
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and they weren't very good out of the shoot, so
it was easy to pile on Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones.
But Jerry took one hundred and fifty million dollar loan
and for the first couple two three years they had
to pay that loan off, and so Jerry was not
in the football operation side. They talk every day maybe,
but it was after and then he paid the loan
(27:31):
off and they started making big money, and you know,
Jerry Jones said, this is my toy.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I want to have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And since that time, I think, in my opinion, Jerry
Jones has meddled too much with football to the point
now where they've just made too many mistakes and they
feel like maybe they're the sixteenth seventeenth best team in
the league with a new coaching staff. But it was
an incredible ride, and Jimmy did something that it's now
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been discussed in our show, but people teams did not
make trades, and not only it just shows you how
important relentlessness is this legend. Jimmy Johnson in three separate
Hall of Fames, got nothing but crap his first year
to year and a half in Dallas. And then when
he made that trade of herschel Walker that was so
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unsettling people didn't know what to make of it.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Now that's sort of the guide.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
In fact, if you look up NFL draft chart, if
you google that, I look at you know, I printed
that thing multiple times. That's kind of a creation of
Jimmy Johnson. So he believed in himself. He believed in
the process. But even for an all time three different
Hall of Fame's coach and broadcaster, it's tough. Those are
mean streets and you're gonna have to overcome and deal
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with turbulence and scorn and derision. And he did it.
And today what a career. Jimmy retired at Fox. We'll
see you tomorrow.
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