March 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Nick Wright joins The Herd to talk about LeBron James's latest milestone, the Lakers since the Luka trade, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is a Tuesday. Welcome in this time. Yesterday, the
great Jimmy Johnson was retiring from Fox after a remarkable football,
pro and college and broadcasting career. This is the Herd
I just we taught. We started our show talking about
Lebron James is one point shy of scoring fifty thousand
career points. Nobody's obviously ever done that. There is it's
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I said this two weeks ago. I don't even know
what I'm watching, and our staff has this. If you
take Lebron's four MVP season and compare Lebron since he
turned forty, he's actually a better basketball player now, more rebounds,
mor assists, better shooter, three point and field goal. He
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averages two points less a game. That's insane, and I
think today's defending as well as he did five or
six years ago. So you know, people will say, what
is he on? Well, the NBA tests for hgahs. They
just banned a Milwaukee Buck player for some banned substance.
So you know, I think your body will treat you
how you treat it. And Lebron spends a couple of
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million dollars a year in his body. And Lebron is
what happens when you're an all time talent and you
go all in. I've said this, Carmelo, Anthony go look
it up. Started to decline at thirty years old. He
was never in great shape. I mean, hookah, Luca will
not play like this at forty years old. He's not
that committed. And so I mean John Daly was a hoot.
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But at fifty eight years old. Gary Player is eighty
eight or eighty nine years old, and Gary players in
significantly better shape because Gary Player still works out. I
met Gary Player twice. It's incredible. Eighty nine years old,
he works out ninety minutes today. I talk to about
his diet. It's incredible. It's the healthiest eater I've ever seen.
Your body's going to treat you like you treat your body.
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And Lebron is just an all in guy. So I mean,
you look at James Harden, he's falling off a cliff.
If you look at Big Ben, he aged quickly. So
all these guys, like I always say when people complain
about the Dodgers doing the deferred payments, everybody that owns
a Major League Baseball team is a billionaire. Everybody could
do that. The Dodgers have decided they're billionaires. Dodgers do
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not have the richest owners. They don't. They don't drive
the most revenue. Yankees still make more revenue than they
do on an annual basis. So Yankees make more revenue
they do not. Now. Now, Mark Walters is one of
the richer owners top six or seven, not the richest owner,
but they are totally committed to winning championships with the Dodgers.
The Pittsburgh Pirates owner, he's a billionaire. Two he's cheap.
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And so anybody could do it. All these I mean
most of these athletes, most not all. They could spend money.
But you know James Harden, you know his jersey hangs.
I'm not joking in the rafter of a strip club.
I mean he was legendary for being an all night guy.
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
With me.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I'm not judging it. But that's why James Harden's falling
off a cliff, That's why Carmelo started declining at thirty.
He was never in great shape. Cam Newton had some injuries,
but Big Ben. You know, you look at Alex Ovechkin
and hockey right now, top ten in goals, Tom Brady
in his forties, Lebron, James, this is what happens when
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you totally commit. Lou Williams was talking about this on
the Fan Duel TV about this.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Sixty percent of these guys could put a million dollars
in their bodies if they wont to.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
They still like get this result.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, it's just just a credit to his genetics and
how he's been able to maintain himself over the years.
So to go through twenty one years of nothing major
to sit you out as a blessing in hisself.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now, Lebron did have last couple of years. He had
about a year and a half where he was just
dealing with ankle stuff and hip stuff. But the numbers
he's putting up, and I will say this, I've said
this about Steph Curry and I'll say it with Lebron.
These guys were on a treadmill to nowhere, and then
you give one Luca and one Jimmy Butler, and it's
as if they're showing off for their new friend, like
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you get a new friend in the neighborhood. Hey, come
on over here my bicycle. Let's do some jumps like
they're showing off for their friends. And that's brought a
joy and an energy to Lebron. And what I'm watching
is absolutely once in a generation remarkable. Steph Curry's averaging
seven points more a game with Jimmy Butler, He's taking
one more shot. Efficiency, energy, vibe, juice, analytics can't measure
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all that stuff, Nick, right cohos. First things first is
joining us down live from New York. You know what
need is? I think Lebron has always and this was
my rant to start the show, nobody has had his intuition.
He moved off d Wait at the right time, he
moved out of Cleveland twice at the right time. He
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moved off all the Lonzo Ball guys at the right time.
And I think, deep down, I really believe this Nick,
that he knew that he and Ad worked together. But
Jokich or Luca the Great outlet passers would give Lebron
in his twilight years easier baskets and they wouldn't be
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as dependent on him initiating it. And Denver wasn't moving
off Luca, or Denver wasn't moving off Jokic. He tried
to get Steph a couple of years ago, and Steph said, no, thanks.
I think Lebron the minute Cuban sold Hish primary share
of the Mavericks, Lebron saw an opening and through a lot.
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I know you think it's crazy. Lebron has always been
a step ahead of teams, owners, executives and teammates, and
he's been right seven straight times.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Was one of those steps drugging Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
I mean, I mean, because that's the piece of that
that you're not including.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So I don't quite get it, by the way, I'm
hearing myself in my ear. So I don't know if
they can fix it, but all power through in the meantime. Yeah,
but it doesn't take a basketball genius, which Lebron is
to be like, Yeah, my life probably gets easier on
offense if we had Luka Dacic. Yeah, I do think
that he probably wanted Luca. I don't think he thought
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that Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Would make that possible.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
But you were you were talking about Lebron scoring fifty
thousand points.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Can we stay there for a minute.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Sure, So I know that compiling is not really considered
that impressive, and I understand that.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
But what Lebron's doing isn't compiling.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
What Lebron's doing is continued, sustained excellence, and that's what
I think matters. So there've only been five guys in
NBA history to reach thirty six thousand, thirty six thousand,
He's at fifty career points, and I do think it's
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noteworthy to discuss what they looked like when they reached
those final milestones. So Kareem scored forty four thousand. It's fixed,
Thank you guys, forty four thousand and change.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
When he got.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
His forty four thousandth point, Colin it was the worst
year of his careers, averaging ten points per game. Yeah,
car Malone got to forty one thousand. When he scored
his forty first thousandth point, he was averaging thirteen points
a game for the Lakers, the worst year of his career.
Kobe and Michael both got to thirty eight thousand. When
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Michael did it, he was averaging twenty a game on
nineteen percent from three and forty one percent from the
field for the Wizards, And when Kobe did it, he
was averaging seventeen a game on thirty five.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Percent from the field.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Lebron James tonight is going to get to fifty thousand
in a season. He might be top five on MVP
balloting and should be first team All NBA. So it's
not so much about you know, he just was healthy
and was able to put in fifteen a night for
twenty five years. It's that in year twenty two he
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is still on any given night, maybe the best player
in the league, and over the course of the season
clearly one of the five best players in the league.
Brady is the only athlete that we have any comp
for it too, and Brady didn't have to play both
sides of the ball. It's it's really a remarkable thing
we're seeing right now.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know, I was thinking about this, was on this
like the first couple of days. He said, Lakers are
a championship team, and I think there's only two teams
in the league right now that are complete Boston and Cleveland,
and one won't get to the finals. I think Boston
plays interior defense, wing defense, they have wings scoring, they
can score down low. Boston's a totally complete team. If
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Derek White's your fourth or fifth best team player, you're
a great team. I think Cleveland is very, very close. Again,
they can defend, they've got size, they've got wing defenders,
they've got a great guard. Those are complete teams. I
don't think anybody in the West is complete. Teams are
either too young, they don't have the depth. I don't
think Denver has the depth. They're bad defensively. I don't
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trust Houston can't shoot. Golden State could use another shooter.
So when I look at the Lakers, I think, you know,
I wish they had a rim defender. And my take is,
until you get to the finals, everybody's.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Got a hole in the.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
West, and I get Lebron and Luca, So my two
stars are better than you and I do think right
now I would take the Lakers to win the West.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Well, they are certainly on the very short list. I
knowing myself, all probably end up picking them.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It's gonna be hard for me to pick it all
of us.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
You have my favorite player of all time and my
second favorite player in the league playing together, and they're
both playing great basketball, so probably into picking them. I
do think you're short changing okay See a bit. The
oka See question is really to me. I have two
oka See questions. One is, well, the non SGA players
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play better this postseason than they did last postseason because
last postseason Shaye played well, but the other guys didn't,
you know, kind of play up to their filling. And
the other oka Se question is is Shay gonna suffer
from something James Harden has suffered for the past, Joel
and beat has suffered from the past, which is a
playoff whistle. Anyone who gets such a huge benefit from
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getting to the foul line, you worry about them biting
the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
But okay See is awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah. Now, let me say this about okay See. And
I've seen this before. SGA will not get the regular
season whistle which Karl Malone and James Harden and SJA
live on. He won't The other thing, and you know this,
Young players and rotational players in the playoffs are often
great at home, but in big spots in road games,
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they can disappear. I think Oklahoma City is still chet
Holmgren is still a year away from being able to
go to Los Angeles in a crucial game and beat
Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So that listen, that might be true, but they also
might not have to win any road games like they
and so I am. I'm not trying to build them
up to more than they are, but I do think
their record and shape playing at the level they deserve respect.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I also, oddly, when I.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Was in Los Angeles over when was it over Thanksgiving?
I went to Lakers. Okay, see, I sat right next
to the guy.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
That holds up all the Lakers that doesn't mat. I
don't know who cares what that point is.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I good seats Lakers, okay, see, unlike Colin Coward, they're
not given to me. I paid from out of my
own pocket, man of the people, and okay, see just
throws waves and waves of defenders at you.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yes, so I will give them respect.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
What the Lakers have going for them that no other
team in the league has is this.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
They have two.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Offensive supercomputers at the wings slash point guard position, and
almost every contender has one guy you can throw on
someone like that. The thunder f loudort the Nuggets have
Aaron Gordon, Like you have someone, you have a guy
to throw on those to throw on Lebron or throw
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on Luca. Only Boston has two guys. You could has
multiple guys to throw at these, to throw at Lebron
and Luca, Like when you are playing Denver in a series.
If Aaron Gordon is guarding Lebron, then who the hell
is guarding Luca? Like that is the real question. So yeah,
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I thought people totally overrated how bad of a fit
it was gonna be. It's two of the smartest players ever.
I also think those of us hand up who the
last few years was like, Darvin Ham is doing a
poor job. And then a lot of people in the
media was like, h Lebron knifing Darvin Ham for.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
His podcast Buddy.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So I'm if JJ Reddick, who we all know was
only hired because Lebron made him do it Lebron's podcast Buddy.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
If JJ Redick.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Wins Coach of the Year, does Lebron get to at
least take a picture with the trophy? Like how does
the Lebron run to the Lakers stuff work? He made
them trade for Russell Westbrook, but he also made them
trade for Anthony Davis. Trading for Anthony Davis got you
a championship and Luka.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Dancis for the next decade.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So I don't know, Like I just don't know where
Lebron's influence starts or ends. I do know the Lakers
right now. I agree with you look like a team
that can win the championship.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I've been saying two things about the face of the league.
I only believe. I think there's been three in my life. Magic,
I don't count Bird, Bird didn't want it, French Lick feisty,
he didn't have the magnetism of Magic Johnson. Magic and
Bird may have been together. It's like Angel Reeson, Caitlyn Clark.
Caitlin's the face of the league. Magic was the face
of the league. They just happened to be rivals. Then
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I think it's Michael Jordan, the best looking, the best player,
the most relentless. And then I think it's Lebron James.
Steph Curry's close, but in his prime. Lebron's in his
Sorry Lebron wins. So my take is there's only been three.
Kareem wasn't Wilt, wasn't Duncan. Was it? They weren't. And
the other thing is it's not just about going to
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Duke or playing for a big brand. There is certain
there are two things that matter. An aura. Jason Tatum
doesn't have it, and yet we can't ever question that
you shrink in big spots. In the gold medal game,
Jason Tatum had two points game before he was a
coach's decision do not play when he played with the
best players in the world. Secondly, Jalen Brown wins MVP
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of A conference finals. In the finals, they traded Marcus
Smart because he was taking the ball out of his hands.
I love Jason Tatum. I think the league thought Zion.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Could be.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Okay. I thought Zion had a chance, but he just
wasn't because and I don't really blame him because they
come into the league at nineteen years old. He wasn't
mature enough. Jaw had a chance, he just wasn't ready
for it. That the league mostly doesn't need it, hasn't
had it, and Tatum's nodded.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
All right, So you threw a lot there.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
One is can I sell you on one other face
of the league in that timeframe, and that's the Shaq
Kobe Duo Okay, I think that they But after Michael,
before Lebron, I thought the Shaq Kobe collective with the
Lakers was the face of the league if that exists.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
But you're it's a very very short list.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And we actually I actually talked Tatum because you know,
it was a huge Jason Tatum fan is my son Demanse,
who co hosts the podcast I Do, and we were
talking about that actually this morning, and about why Jason
Tatum online in particular seems to get so much criticism
from America's Honesty Broker gets so much criticism, and I
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think there is a feeling, and it might be unfair.
It is just a feeling of a little inauthenticity that people.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Don't wrap their arms around.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
It's the exact opposite feeling people get when they watch
or listen to Anthony Edward. So, for good or for bad,
people watch Anthony Edwards and say, you know who he's
being Anthony Edwards. You know what he's saying, whatever's on
his mind, you know what he's doing, whatever he wants. Yeah,
now there are some maybe issues with that, but you
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it's why people are drawn to him.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Tatum.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I think for a lot of people feels a little
too pre produced. And then there is also the factor
of and this is and people Celtics fans might not
want to hear it. And he is the best player
on the defending champion and a team that might win again.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
But will is jay To.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Be the face of the league, you have to be
in eligible to be the best player in the league,
and Jason Tatum is not. And people can say I'm
putting a ceiling on him. Jason Tatum will never be
the best player in the NBA. There's no shame to that.
Kevin Durant who has reached heights. Tatum has not, and
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I think will not never was the single best player
in the NBA. Now, it's only like sixteen guys across
history who have ever been the hands down best player
at any given moment in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
So I don't Tatum's right.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I check off all the boxes except for the one
that matters, which.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Is what we feel like, what we know.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And so again, the Celtics probably should win another championship,
and if they, if he's a multiple time champion, probably
get a finals MVV.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
At some point, He's going to.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Be first, all of the accolades, all of it, but
that doesn't mean that you're going to be on a
list alongside of Lebron, Kobe Shack, Michael Magic. Again, it's
a very very short list. So I agree with you
on that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Okay, So finally, uh Shador Sanders. So you know, I said,
most of the time in my life, the corporation or
the organization has the leverage over the employe. But when
you're the Giants or Cleveland or Tennessee. In Shador Sanders interviews,
he grew up rich. He's even richer now with Nil
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You're awful. He's talented, and he would probably rather drop
to a good team. I don't want to hear in
the combine that he came off as you know, a
little standoffish. Well maybe because he'd rather you pass on
him and go to a better team. And my take
is the world changes, the culture changes. I mean, Mike
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Krzyzewski's like, I'm not doing one and done, and then
he realized he was getting beat by guys that went
to Carolina that were one and dones, and Mike Szewski said, Okay,
I'm doing one and Done's the culture has changed. Players
come in now as millionaires owners in the NFL, are billionaires,
They're more impulsive. They fire coaching staffs. I don't want
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to hear that shatour shadoor. Sanders didn't bow to you.
These kids come in with sometimes more leverage than the team.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So I so I have maybe the most odd should
or Sanders opinion of anyone, which is I have zero
off the field concerns and a ton of on the
field concerns. So like all of the should or Sanders
conversation seems to be about should or Sanders the like
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the negative conversation is about should Or Sanders the guy.
And I from everything I have seen, from everything I've
heard from people who actually know him, from watching him
in the spotlight, I I'm like, I think this kid
has handled obscene fame, a ton of wealth, and a
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huge spotlight about almost perfectly.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Not perfectly.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
There are last year when kids were transferring out a
few tweets I think he would want back. Yeah, but
given you know, given where he's at, the scrutiny, his dad,
his brothers, all of it, I think should Or Sanders
the leader, the intangibles, all that stuff is super high marks.
I just worry about should Or Sanders the quarterback and
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whether or not he had like what I saw from
him at Colorado, which coach Mangini mentioned this, I thought
it was a good point. It felt like a lot
of the potential red flags you saw occasionally from Caleb
in college, you saw a lot of those same ones
with Shador without nearly as many of the oh my god,
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what did I just see type of wow throws? And
so I would not be worried about drafting Shador at
all because I think he's arrogant or character or any
of this nonsense, which really just means confident in this case,
rich young black kid. Like that part I think is ridiculous.
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I do have legitimate concerns about whether or not if
the quarterbacks in last year's class were in this year's class,
would should or be the sixth quarterback off the board?
Would the would Caleb, Jaden, Drake cam wore this year
and JJ McCarthy all go ahead of him? Maybe that's
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that to me, is far more legitimate than any of
this arrogant stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Nick, Right, all right, that was good stuff, my friend.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
How are you celebrating tonight?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Colin uh points, I mean, you'll never see it again.
No one will see it again, you know, it's rare
than Haley's comment. Literally, you know what, let that percolate,
let that bake. I'll try to I'll try to do
something special. Maybe I'll have this listen.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I know you like going out these days.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Go to one of your fancy members only LA restaurants,
order yourself you know what I mean, one of your
you know, double cocktails, and just be like, man, a
billion years of of world history. I was a live
covering sports at the same time as Lebron James. What
are the odds, I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Just talk.
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Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yeah, have a tennis appointment this month? Actually, so I
got to brush up on floss. How many times I
didn't you floss?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
By the way, I brushed my teeth three to four
times a day. Wow, isn't everybody? And what do you do?
Speaker 7 (23:51):
I just do two morning and ninth?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Do I need to do like you are? Like twelve
hours and just have nothing but DK and plaque and
twelve hours? Don't you know?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I guess I did need to work in a lunch one.
All right, let's get started, Colin. With the Niners in
Brock perty your favorite quarterback in the league.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
They're working towards a long term extension.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
However, really interesting point brought about by Steve Young on
The Rich Eisen Show. He thinks a couple other deals
could impact party negotiations.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
What happened with Nick Bosa and then with Brandon Ayuk
changed the nature this year of how they are going
to go about it. I don't think they were really
appreciative of how that went down and how they got pushed.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
And I think that they're, you know, they're gonna.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Almost feel like a lot more declarative statements coming out.
Quarterbacks are so hard to find that Brock has done
enough for sure to go out and get you know,
and get paid and get and get it done. Now
back to my original point, there's I don't know that
it's going to be smooth.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
How could it be? Yeah, the Niners generally, I'll say this,
the Rams are tougher negotiators and the Niners. The Niners
have caved in a few guys the Rams, don't. I mean,
the Rams were willing to move off Stafford if they
got a first round pick. With Stafford Rock Perty's gonna
get what he wants. I believe I would rather as
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an athlete negotiate with the Niners than I would with
McVeigh and the Rams and less Need and Stan Cronky. So,
I mean the Rams moved off a guard today.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
This isn't gonna be some kind of Josh Allen five
six year deals. I'm Patrick Mahomes on term view, right,
It's gonna be more three four years, maybe two years guaranteed,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Well, that's what I would. Yeah, it just.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Doesn't make sense to lock down.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
And I like, you know, I'm like mister brock Purdy,
I'm a huge fan. I think he's an excellent.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
But the brand and I you feel, certainly there's buyers
are more.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, here's the advantage they have. They have drafted pretty well.
They've had misses, but they've drafted pretty well, and I
think they have picks. So you know, again, if you
hit on fifty to sixty percent of your picks, the
Niners are going to fill some holes and some of
that like at corner. If they got Will Johnson from
Michigan first round, they could move off maybe ward the corner.
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So they have a couple of situations where if they
hit on draft mean they just moved off Deebo's money.
Ricky pearsall, if they could get a corner, then you
move off, you move off some corner money. Then that
brought pretty contract to get to fifty million, and it's
not that punity. So again, it all comes back that
the Eagles and the Rams have hit on draft picks.
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That allows you to have a star quarterback and pay
them and a few others. So if the Niners have
a really good late April weekend, they're going to be
much more comforted in knowing, you know, they hit on
six new players. They have to upgrade the O line
and I think they have to attack corner.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
So I think they had two Super Bowl trips in
like a four year windows now like that, do you
think the windows still do they go into next season?
Speaker 7 (27:01):
In your Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I want to watch the San Francisco forty nine Ers draft.
I really do, because obviously they've got the coach. Christian
McCaffrey comes back well and they.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Don't those tires and try forty seven.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Kittle was a Pro Bowl Jawan Jennings, Piersall, McCaffrey, Trent
Williams comes back, Kyle Shanahan, They'll be fine. I think
they have to go O line and heavy defense in
the draft, and if they have a good weekend and
gets three to four starters, then I feel like they're
still in the bubble.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I would consider less tackle with their first pick, because again,
if anything happens to Trent Williams, we know historically that
offensive life paula part.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, what you do is you draft the left tackle
and for a year he plays right tackle, and then
eventually you move him over when Trent leaves. Yeah, I
think that should be their first pick. By the way,
I think I think offensive tackle for the Niners or
corner should be their first sectre investment.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
If you're paying Rock Party protective all right.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Next up, good news from the Dallas Cowboys. Finally they
have reportedly agreed to a four year, eighty million dollar
deal with defensive tackle. And I hope I don't butcher
this osua o'diggy zuwa.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
I think I got that right.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Mee uh fifty eight million guaranteed twenty million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
He played at UCLA. He had a very good year.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
It's actually two good two year stretch for Dallas.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
I wonder if MICHAEH.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Parsons is like, great, great, my turn, Now can I
get paid? But finally, positive news for the Cowboys who
have had an avalanche.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Well, we spend a lot of time talking about edge rushers,
but if you talk to a lot of NFL people,
they'll tell you there is a pushback to dominant interior
defenders Chris Jones out off of Aaron Donald, Jalen Carter
because edge rushers tend to be a bit more available.
(28:49):
You know, the great defensive tackle. You don't give them up.
You just do not give them up edge rushers, I
mean Max Crosby. A later draft, you can find edge rusher.
There are not a lot of guys that are six
two three point thirty and move well. And when you
get one like Dallas, you do not let him go.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Remember Miami had Wilkins and they were like, oh, we'll
move off, and they could not stop the run this season.
Deepop is terrible. Defensive tackles definitely matter. Jets have a
great one.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Quinn Williams.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Come on, he's a top four or five in the league.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Final story is in the NBA free throw merchant.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
SGA went off last.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Night Colin fifty one points and seven assists, and Zach.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
The producer who here who loves SGA.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Noted, Hey, it's not like he lived at the free
throw line last night, Jason only ten of his fifty
one were on free throws.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
But listen, let's be real.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
SCA twenty eight at half time last night, forty.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Five heading into the pit. He is the second best
player in the league. Yo Kitchen, No, he's not.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yo kitsch is the best player. That's inarguable.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Luca is the second best known.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
No, No, Luca, Jannis, stop it. I think you can go. Yannis.
You can't be as bad defensively as Luca and be
the second best player.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
And he took the match to the finals.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
Last year.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, the AA has he got to the conference finals.
He had Kyrie Irving in a stacked center rotation.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Nobody had them going to the files. That was all Luca.
They took down. Ok see, I need to see Sca
do the You.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Can't be the worst defensive player. He's not the worst.
He not very good.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Listen, Sca had a nice block last night. He has
the most twenty point games of the NBA this season.
And this is like a Joel Embiide all over again.
Everybody wants to give the MVP. Fine, I don't care
give him the MVP. Are they gonna get to the finals?
Speaker 7 (30:30):
That's what matters.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Well, they're a really good basketball team. And by the way,
not only did they draft and develop, well, they took
you know, a valuable player, a big from the New
York Knicks, and the Knicks had good defensively.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
But Colin, let me just quickly ask you this final
five minutes, close game, OKC, Lakers, who are your five
on the floor for OKC?
Speaker 7 (30:50):
That's a big question.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
They've got a lot of Jets Sga Williams, Hey, Doug,
are you doing Artinstein? The guy you got?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, Rovin Caruz, So are you doing lou Dort?
Speaker 7 (31:02):
They just have a lot of good guys, whereas the
Lakers have three really awesome ones. Then ruey, I just
I'm not buying this okay Ce team.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Over the Listen. Here's what's going to happen if they
don't end up in the finals. If first of all
the NBA, it would be a great final to get
the young emerging dynasty potentially. Okay, see, I mean they
got so much well, they have so many drafts. Oh,
I think they have.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
A chance to be billion draft picks book.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Okay, and they already have two stars three actually Williams
chet holmgren SGA is the best of it. So they
could become what Denver didn't. They could go on a run.
We thought Denver was going to win multiple So what
happens if OKAC faces the Lakers in the final and
the Lakers win, I can write the story league is rigged.
They wanted Lebron in. But I will say caution yourself
(31:50):
on this. Oklahoma City is young young players shrink in
road playoff games. That's number one outside of the COVID
bubble year in Orlando, younger players shrink in the playoffs,
especially away from home. Secondly, SGA like James Harden and
Karl Malone, lives on the whistle. You do not get
(32:13):
it in the conference finals and finals. You will not
get the whistle. James Harden, I mean Carl Malone covered
multiple series, he still went to the line, but you
never quite got the regular season whistle. So Okase loses.
You can write the two headlines.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Now, well, I'll go a step further. Okay, Okase loses
to the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
In the playoffs. Let's say second round O of conference finals.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Everybody's destroyed. How are we gonna get by the Lakers?
Do you know what Okay's move in the offseason should be.
We'll package three or four of these guys. Hey, Kevin Durant,
why don't you come right to Oka?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
See right, we need you.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
We need that playoff score.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Kevin Durant returns to OKAC, heroes welcome.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Phoenix, gets some draft picks which they desperately need, and
maybe one good player.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
And Kevin Durant returns to OKAC and they go to
the finals next year.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But you know, as g makes sht and egg shit
and Kevin Durant on the back Okay, it makes a
ton of basketball sense. You like that, but that's not
how Kevin Durant thinks.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
We'll see nobody does how Kevin Durant thinks.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
But listen, I just floated that now based on us talking,
I'm very curious if that gains that attracted, Like Kevin
Durant's gonna have options and where's.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
He gonna go.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
If you're Phoenix and you're moving off Kevin Durant, which
they are, what are you looking for? Draft picks? Draft
pegs and you gotta have one decent player because of contracts,
so you're basically looking for a good player.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
I'll take Jadub off your hands if I'm Phoenix and
heydub and.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Give me four picks.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well you're not getting four from Sam Presty. Yeah, I'll
give me three, all right. J Mack with the news,
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News. Peter Schrager stops by last hour. Yeah,
I'm telling you Lebron's gonna score. He'll be the only
(33:57):
player over fifty thousand points. And go look at the splits.
Lebron his stats forty years old and on compared to
his four MVP years outside of points per game, he
is better at everything that is insane. It really is.
(34:17):
I've never seen anything like it.
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Speaker 1 (35:25):
Peter Schrager stops by with some NFL draft bus. I've
said this before that you know, sports are all cyclical.
Boxing used to be bigger. UFC squashed it, Baseball had
a real down fifteen years. In my opinion, I think
they're sort of rebooted it with changes to the pitch
clock and speeding the game up and the defensive shift
(35:46):
and all the star players are in the right markets.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You know, in the NBA, about every other draft is
what they say is a bad draft. There's not a
lot of talent, which is remarkable because it's a global
game you're choosing from. And in the NFL, I don't
remember a draft that had less bizaz. Now we have
had very weak quarterback drafts. The Kenny Pickett draft that
had you know, Kenny Pickett was the only like first
round quarterback and he was kind of a second to
(36:14):
a third rounder that the Steelers reached on him. He
kind of understood it. He had a good last year,
he was a Pittsburgh kid, played in the same facility.
Blah blah blah. But this is the weakest draft I
remember in the NFL, And part of me thinks, why
I don't ever remember having a draft where like everybody
I've talked to, In fact, today, the Bears in the
Rams made a trade. Why tells you don't like the
free agents. It's not a good free agent class. It's
(36:36):
not a good draft class. And my take is about
ten years ago, when the NFL had that big CTE controversy,
there was a lot of negativity around the league, and
you saw multiple stories about moms not wanting their sons
to play high school football, and turnout for football was
much lower. Maybe not in the South or Texas, but
(36:58):
in a lot of parts of the country, high school
football turnout was less and lower. And my question is
is this a result of that, that we are going
to start to see a little more regularly weaker drafts
and that there's gonna be a dilution of talent. Now
I don't know this to be true, but I do
not remember a draft where I thought there were like
(37:20):
six elite players, and I watch a ton of college
football and I'm not you know, the Arizona receiver team,
Ac Mason, Graham, Will Johnson, Abdul Carter. I don't think
these quarterbacks are a prospects. Cam Ward's dynamic, shaduur is capable.
I don't think they're great prospects. I think last year
they would have been like fifth or six best quarterback prospects.
(37:42):
I just don't think it's a very good draft. I
don't think there's a great tackle offensive tackle. I don't
think there's a great defensive tackle. I think there's one
receiver I like, I don't think there's any I think, actually,
what does it tell you that the running back class
is the best by far? And that's a position that
for you has been soft or weak, and now it's
like they all kind of fit into this draft. So
(38:04):
I don't know. This is Jmax's mock draft. Uh. I
agree with some of it, not the other. The thing
that I roll my eyes at is everybody's saying Shador
Sanders is going to drop to the end of the
first round. Guys, the New York Giants have a GM
and a coach that could be fired by Thanksgiving. They
are gonna have to make a move for quarterback if
one's available. Now, if one's not available, they can go,
(38:26):
you know, figure it out. But I think cam Woard,
Shadu or Sanders j Max got him going one and two.
I mean, if you're Cleveland or Tennessee or New York,
if one of these guys is available, how do you
not draft them? Abdul Carter Travis Hunter asked questions because
he wants to play both ways, and Abdull Carter has
an injury. So even the two dynamic athletes in the class,
there's a little bit of a question mark. You have
(38:49):
to take cam Ward, you have to take Shadeur. And
that doesn't mean they're great. But I watch Tennessee, Cleveland,
New York. Those are four or five win teams if
they don't roll the dice on quarterback. And here's the thing,
it's not that cam Warden, shaduor Sanders. Here's the advantage.
So last year all the top quarterbacks, almost all the
(39:10):
top quarterbacks went to defensive coaches. It was a disaster
for Caleb Williams. Right this year, Tennessee, Cleveland and the
Giants all have offensive coaches, so the quarterback class is
not as good, but the environment could be a little
more seamless because you get an offensive guy. Now, Washington
(39:32):
hired the perfect oc for Jaden Daniels, but in Chicago
it was a mess. In fact, bo Nicks for most
of the season looked like maybe the best rookie until
the end. Why because he got Sean Payton. So it's
a year with kind of B level prospects. But Callahan,
you like, I think Kevin Stefanski's great, and we both
think Brian dave Olls talented. So let's say Shador goes
(39:55):
to the Giants. Listen, they got a left tackle, they
got a great weapon, they have an offensive coach.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Hold on, let's back up, what do the.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
Giants do in free agency, which is coming up here
in a week or two. Right, you got Justin Fields,
Sam Darnall.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Nobody in New York's buying any of that.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
But so then you're banking on we have to trade
up because what if quarterback.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Go one too?
Speaker 6 (40:13):
You cannot go on a next season with the DeVito
or whoever they got at court.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
You can't do that or it's a it's a rap.
So I'm gonna ask you this.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Let's say the Jets and Giants do nothing in free agency,
They've got to trade up for a quarterback. So would
you rather have justin Fields on like a three year deal,
or would you trade up for Cam or Shadur Because
that's what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
It's heterator for these those are not choices. I'm I
would you know, let's just take it. So I think
Cam and Shad are going one and two. I would
agree with you. I think I agree with you.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
If you can't get.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
A quarterback in free agency for the Jets, you must
trade up or settle for a second round flyer. You
don't know if your guy from Syracuse McCord, Yeah, I
don't know if it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
No, yeah, I I just when I see people dropping
to the bottom of the draft, boy.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
You can call him out lancer a line you watch.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well, I mean that's his opinion. I agree with you
that in a quarterback centric league, cam Warden Shaduer with
offensive coaches with offensive By the way, I don't think
the Titans or the Browns have terrible offensive lines, so
these guys aren't going They're going to offensive coaches. Both
have weapons, decent offensive line play. They maybe be prospects,
(41:24):
but that's a pretty good situation. Caleb Williams goes to
the Bears. The A line stinks, the coaches defensive, they
run through the staff by the end of the year.
That's a disaster. I don't think yeah, I think they're
going one and two. I think you nailed it. Shreg's
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is a Tuesday. Welcome in this time. Yesterday, the
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pro and college and broadcasting career. This is the Herd
I just we taught. We started our show talking about
Lebron James is one point shy of scoring fifty thousand
career points. Nobody's obviously ever done that. There is it's
(00:49):
I said this two weeks ago. I don't even know
what I'm watching, and our staff has this. If you
take Lebron's four MVP season and compare Lebron since he
turned forty, he's actually a better basketball player now, more rebounds,
mor assists, better shooter, three point and field goal. He
(01:11):
averages two points less a game. That's insane, and I
think today's defending as well as he did five or
six years ago. So you know, people will say, what
is he on? Well, the NBA tests for hgahs. They
just banned a Milwaukee Buck player for some banned substance.
So you know, I think your body will treat you
how you treat it. And Lebron spends a couple of
(01:34):
million dollars a year in his body. And Lebron is
what happens when you're an all time talent and you
go all in. I've said this, Carmelo, Anthony go look
it up. Started to decline at thirty years old. He
was never in great shape. I mean, hookah, Luca will
not play like this at forty years old. He's not
that committed. And so I mean John Daly was a hoot.
(01:58):
But at fifty eight years old. Gary Player is eighty
eight or eighty nine years old, and Gary players in
significantly better shape because Gary Player still works out. I
met Gary Player twice. It's incredible. Eighty nine years old,
he works out ninety minutes today. I talk to about
his diet. It's incredible. It's the healthiest eater I've ever seen.
Your body's going to treat you like you treat your body.
(02:21):
And Lebron is just an all in guy. So I mean,
you look at James Harden, he's falling off a cliff.
If you look at Big Ben, he aged quickly. So
all these guys, like I always say when people complain
about the Dodgers doing the deferred payments, everybody that owns
a Major League Baseball team is a billionaire. Everybody could
do that. The Dodgers have decided they're billionaires. Dodgers do
(02:42):
not have the richest owners. They don't. They don't drive
the most revenue. Yankees still make more revenue than they
do on an annual basis. So Yankees make more revenue
they do not. Now. Now, Mark Walters is one of
the richer owners top six or seven, not the richest owner,
but they are totally committed to winning championships with the Dodgers.
The Pittsburgh Pirates owner, he's a billionaire. Two he's cheap.
(03:05):
And so anybody could do it. All these I mean
most of these athletes, most not all. They could spend money.
But you know James Harden, you know his jersey hangs.
I'm not joking in the rafter of a strip club.
I mean he was legendary for being an all night guy.
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
With me.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I'm not judging it. But that's why James Harden's falling
off a cliff, That's why Carmelo started declining at thirty.
He was never in great shape. Cam Newton had some injuries,
but Big Ben. You know, you look at Alex Ovechkin
and hockey right now, top ten in goals, Tom Brady
in his forties, Lebron, James, this is what happens when
(03:41):
you totally commit. Lou Williams was talking about this on
the Fan Duel TV about this.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Sixty percent of these guys could put a million dollars
in their bodies if they wont to.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
They still like get this result.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, it's just just a credit to his genetics and
how he's been able to maintain himself over the years.
So to go through twenty one years of nothing major
to sit you out as a blessing in hisself.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now, Lebron did have last couple of years. He had
about a year and a half where he was just
dealing with ankle stuff and hip stuff. But the numbers
he's putting up, and I will say this, I've said
this about Steph Curry and I'll say it with Lebron.
These guys were on a treadmill to nowhere, and then
you give one Luca and one Jimmy Butler, and it's
as if they're showing off for their new friend, like
(04:26):
you get a new friend in the neighborhood. Hey, come
on over here my bicycle. Let's do some jumps like
they're showing off for their friends. And that's brought a
joy and an energy to Lebron. And what I'm watching
is absolutely once in a generation remarkable. Steph Curry's averaging
seven points more a game with Jimmy Butler, He's taking
one more shot. Efficiency, energy, vibe, juice, analytics can't measure
(04:49):
all that stuff, Nick, right cohos. First things first is
joining us down live from New York. You know what
need is? I think Lebron has always and this was
my rant to start the show, nobody has had his intuition.
He moved off d Wait at the right time, he
moved out of Cleveland twice at the right time. He
(05:10):
moved off all the Lonzo Ball guys at the right time.
And I think, deep down, I really believe this Nick,
that he knew that he and Ad worked together. But
Jokich or Luca the Great outlet passers would give Lebron
in his twilight years easier baskets and they wouldn't be
(05:31):
as dependent on him initiating it. And Denver wasn't moving
off Luca, or Denver wasn't moving off Jokic. He tried
to get Steph a couple of years ago, and Steph said, no, thanks.
I think Lebron the minute Cuban sold Hish primary share
of the Mavericks, Lebron saw an opening and through a lot.
(05:54):
I know you think it's crazy. Lebron has always been
a step ahead of teams, owners, executives and teammates, and
he's been right seven straight times.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Was one of those steps drugging Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
I mean, I mean, because that's the piece of that
that you're not including.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So I don't quite get it, by the way, I'm
hearing myself in my ear. So I don't know if
they can fix it, but all power through in the meantime. Yeah,
but it doesn't take a basketball genius, which Lebron is
to be like, Yeah, my life probably gets easier on
offense if we had Luka Dacic. Yeah, I do think
that he probably wanted Luca. I don't think he thought
(06:35):
that Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Would make that possible.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
But you were you were talking about Lebron scoring fifty
thousand points.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Can we stay there for a minute.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Sure, So I know that compiling is not really considered
that impressive, and I understand that.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
But what Lebron's doing isn't compiling.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
What Lebron's doing is continued, sustained excellence, and that's what
I think matters. So there've only been five guys in
NBA history to reach thirty six thousand, thirty six thousand,
He's at fifty career points, and I do think it's
(07:23):
noteworthy to discuss what they looked like when they reached
those final milestones. So Kareem scored forty four thousand. It's fixed,
Thank you guys, forty four thousand and change.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
When he got.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
His forty four thousandth point, Colin it was the worst
year of his careers, averaging ten points per game. Yeah,
car Malone got to forty one thousand. When he scored
his forty first thousandth point, he was averaging thirteen points
a game for the Lakers, the worst year of his career.
Kobe and Michael both got to thirty eight thousand. When
(07:58):
Michael did it, he was averaging twenty a game on
nineteen percent from three and forty one percent from the
field for the Wizards, And when Kobe did it, he
was averaging seventeen a game on thirty five.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Percent from the field.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Lebron James tonight is going to get to fifty thousand
in a season. He might be top five on MVP
balloting and should be first team All NBA. So it's
not so much about you know, he just was healthy
and was able to put in fifteen a night for
twenty five years. It's that in year twenty two he
(08:36):
is still on any given night, maybe the best player
in the league, and over the course of the season
clearly one of the five best players in the league.
Brady is the only athlete that we have any comp
for it too, and Brady didn't have to play both
sides of the ball. It's it's really a remarkable thing
we're seeing right now.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know, I was thinking about this, was on this
like the first couple of days. He said, Lakers are
a championship team, and I think there's only two teams
in the league right now that are complete Boston and Cleveland,
and one won't get to the finals. I think Boston
plays interior defense, wing defense, they have wings scoring, they
can score down low. Boston's a totally complete team. If
(09:18):
Derek White's your fourth or fifth best team player, you're
a great team. I think Cleveland is very, very close. Again,
they can defend, they've got size, they've got wing defenders,
they've got a great guard. Those are complete teams. I
don't think anybody in the West is complete. Teams are
either too young, they don't have the depth. I don't
think Denver has the depth. They're bad defensively. I don't
(09:41):
trust Houston can't shoot. Golden State could use another shooter.
So when I look at the Lakers, I think, you know,
I wish they had a rim defender. And my take is,
until you get to the finals, everybody's.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Got a hole in the.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
West, and I get Lebron and Luca, So my two
stars are better than you and I do think right
now I would take the Lakers to win the West.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Well, they are certainly on the very short list. I
knowing myself, all probably end up picking them.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It's gonna be hard for me to pick it all
of us.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
You have my favorite player of all time and my
second favorite player in the league playing together, and they're
both playing great basketball, so probably into picking them. I
do think you're short changing okay See a bit. The
oka See question is really to me. I have two
oka See questions. One is, well, the non SGA players
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play better this postseason than they did last postseason because
last postseason Shaye played well, but the other guys didn't,
you know, kind of play up to their filling. And
the other oka Se question is is Shay gonna suffer
from something James Harden has suffered for the past, Joel
and beat has suffered from the past, which is a
playoff whistle. Anyone who gets such a huge benefit from
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getting to the foul line, you worry about them biting
the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
But okay See is awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah. Now, let me say this about okay See. And
I've seen this before. SGA will not get the regular
season whistle which Karl Malone and James Harden and SJA
live on. He won't The other thing, and you know this,
Young players and rotational players in the playoffs are often
great at home, but in big spots in road games,
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they can disappear. I think Oklahoma City is still chet
Holmgren is still a year away from being able to
go to Los Angeles in a crucial game and beat
Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So that listen, that might be true, but they also
might not have to win any road games like they
and so I am. I'm not trying to build them
up to more than they are, but I do think
their record and shape playing at the level they deserve respect.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I also, oddly, when I.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Was in Los Angeles over when was it over Thanksgiving?
I went to Lakers. Okay, see, I sat right next
to the guy.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
That holds up all the Lakers that doesn't mat. I
don't know who cares what that point is.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I good seats Lakers, okay, see, unlike Colin Coward, they're
not given to me. I paid from out of my
own pocket, man of the people, and okay, see just
throws waves and waves of defenders at you.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yes, so I will give them respect.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
What the Lakers have going for them that no other
team in the league has is this.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
They have two.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Offensive supercomputers at the wings slash point guard position, and
almost every contender has one guy you can throw on
someone like that. The thunder f loudort the Nuggets have
Aaron Gordon, Like you have someone, you have a guy
to throw on those to throw on Lebron or throw
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on Luca. Only Boston has two guys. You could has
multiple guys to throw at these, to throw at Lebron
and Luca, Like when you are playing Denver in a series.
If Aaron Gordon is guarding Lebron, then who the hell
is guarding Luca? Like that is the real question. So yeah,
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I thought people totally overrated how bad of a fit
it was gonna be. It's two of the smartest players ever.
I also think those of us hand up who the
last few years was like, Darvin Ham is doing a
poor job. And then a lot of people in the
media was like, h Lebron knifing Darvin Ham for.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
His podcast Buddy.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So I'm if JJ Reddick, who we all know was
only hired because Lebron made him do it Lebron's podcast Buddy.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
If JJ Redick.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Wins Coach of the Year, does Lebron get to at
least take a picture with the trophy? Like how does
the Lebron run to the Lakers stuff work? He made
them trade for Russell Westbrook, but he also made them
trade for Anthony Davis. Trading for Anthony Davis got you
a championship and Luka.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Dancis for the next decade.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So I don't know, Like I just don't know where
Lebron's influence starts or ends. I do know the Lakers
right now. I agree with you look like a team
that can win the championship.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I've been saying two things about the face of the league.
I only believe. I think there's been three in my life. Magic,
I don't count Bird, Bird didn't want it, French Lick feisty,
he didn't have the magnetism of Magic Johnson. Magic and
Bird may have been together. It's like Angel Reeson, Caitlyn Clark.
Caitlin's the face of the league. Magic was the face
of the league. They just happened to be rivals. Then
(14:36):
I think it's Michael Jordan, the best looking, the best player,
the most relentless. And then I think it's Lebron James.
Steph Curry's close, but in his prime. Lebron's in his
Sorry Lebron wins. So my take is there's only been three.
Kareem wasn't Wilt, wasn't Duncan. Was it? They weren't. And
the other thing is it's not just about going to
(14:57):
Duke or playing for a big brand. There is certain
there are two things that matter. An aura. Jason Tatum
doesn't have it, and yet we can't ever question that
you shrink in big spots. In the gold medal game,
Jason Tatum had two points game before he was a
coach's decision do not play when he played with the
best players in the world. Secondly, Jalen Brown wins MVP
(15:20):
of A conference finals. In the finals, they traded Marcus
Smart because he was taking the ball out of his hands.
I love Jason Tatum. I think the league thought Zion.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Could be.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Okay. I thought Zion had a chance, but he just
wasn't because and I don't really blame him because they
come into the league at nineteen years old. He wasn't
mature enough. Jaw had a chance, he just wasn't ready
for it. That the league mostly doesn't need it, hasn't
had it, and Tatum's nodded.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
All right, So you threw a lot there.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
One is can I sell you on one other face
of the league in that timeframe, and that's the Shaq
Kobe Duo Okay, I think that they But after Michael,
before Lebron, I thought the Shaq Kobe collective with the
Lakers was the face of the league if that exists.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
But you're it's a very very short list.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And we actually I actually talked Tatum because you know,
it was a huge Jason Tatum fan is my son Demanse,
who co hosts the podcast I Do, and we were
talking about that actually this morning, and about why Jason
Tatum online in particular seems to get so much criticism
from America's Honesty Broker gets so much criticism, and I
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think there is a feeling, and it might be unfair.
It is just a feeling of a little inauthenticity that people.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Don't wrap their arms around.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
It's the exact opposite feeling people get when they watch
or listen to Anthony Edward. So, for good or for bad,
people watch Anthony Edwards and say, you know who he's
being Anthony Edwards. You know what he's saying, whatever's on
his mind, you know what he's doing, whatever he wants. Yeah,
now there are some maybe issues with that, but you
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it's why people are drawn to him.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Tatum.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I think for a lot of people feels a little
too pre produced. And then there is also the factor
of and this is and people Celtics fans might not
want to hear it. And he is the best player
on the defending champion and a team that might win again.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
But will is jay To.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Be the face of the league, you have to be
in eligible to be the best player in the league,
and Jason Tatum is not. And people can say I'm
putting a ceiling on him. Jason Tatum will never be
the best player in the NBA. There's no shame to that.
Kevin Durant who has reached heights. Tatum has not, and
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I think will not never was the single best player
in the NBA. Now, it's only like sixteen guys across
history who have ever been the hands down best player
at any given moment in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
So I don't Tatum's right.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I check off all the boxes except for the one
that matters, which.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Is what we feel like, what we know.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And so again, the Celtics probably should win another championship,
and if they, if he's a multiple time champion, probably
get a finals MVV.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
At some point, He's going to.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Be first, all of the accolades, all of it, but
that doesn't mean that you're going to be on a
list alongside of Lebron, Kobe Shack, Michael Magic. Again, it's
a very very short list. So I agree with you
on that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Okay, So finally, uh Shador Sanders. So you know, I said,
most of the time in my life, the corporation or
the organization has the leverage over the employe. But when
you're the Giants or Cleveland or Tennessee. In Shador Sanders interviews,
he grew up rich. He's even richer now with Nil
(19:10):
You're awful. He's talented, and he would probably rather drop
to a good team. I don't want to hear in
the combine that he came off as you know, a
little standoffish. Well maybe because he'd rather you pass on
him and go to a better team. And my take
is the world changes, the culture changes. I mean, Mike
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Krzyzewski's like, I'm not doing one and done, and then
he realized he was getting beat by guys that went
to Carolina that were one and dones, and Mike Szewski said, Okay,
I'm doing one and Done's the culture has changed. Players
come in now as millionaires owners in the NFL, are billionaires,
They're more impulsive. They fire coaching staffs. I don't want
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to hear that shatour shadoor. Sanders didn't bow to you.
These kids come in with sometimes more leverage than the team.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So I so I have maybe the most odd should
or Sanders opinion of anyone, which is I have zero
off the field concerns and a ton of on the
field concerns. So like all of the should or Sanders
conversation seems to be about should or Sanders the like
(20:26):
the negative conversation is about should Or Sanders the guy.
And I from everything I have seen, from everything I've
heard from people who actually know him, from watching him
in the spotlight, I I'm like, I think this kid
has handled obscene fame, a ton of wealth, and a
(20:47):
huge spotlight about almost perfectly.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Not perfectly.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
There are last year when kids were transferring out a
few tweets I think he would want back. Yeah, but
given you know, given where he's at, the scrutiny, his dad,
his brothers, all of it, I think should Or Sanders
the leader, the intangibles, all that stuff is super high marks.
I just worry about should Or Sanders the quarterback and
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whether or not he had like what I saw from
him at Colorado, which coach Mangini mentioned this, I thought
it was a good point. It felt like a lot
of the potential red flags you saw occasionally from Caleb
in college, you saw a lot of those same ones
with Shador without nearly as many of the oh my god,
(21:36):
what did I just see type of wow throws? And
so I would not be worried about drafting Shador at
all because I think he's arrogant or character or any
of this nonsense, which really just means confident in this case,
rich young black kid. Like that part I think is ridiculous.
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I do have legitimate concerns about whether or not if
the quarterbacks in last year's class were in this year's class,
would should or be the sixth quarterback off the board?
Would the would Caleb, Jaden, Drake cam wore this year
and JJ McCarthy all go ahead of him? Maybe that's
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that to me, is far more legitimate than any of
this arrogant stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Nick, Right, all right, that was good stuff, my friend.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
How are you celebrating tonight?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Colin uh points, I mean, you'll never see it again.
No one will see it again, you know, it's rare
than Haley's comment. Literally, you know what, let that percolate,
let that bake. I'll try to I'll try to do
something special. Maybe I'll have this listen.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I know you like going out these days.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Go to one of your fancy members only LA restaurants,
order yourself you know what I mean, one of your
you know, double cocktails, and just be like, man, a
billion years of of world history. I was a live
covering sports at the same time as Lebron James. What
are the odds, I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Just talk.
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Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yeah, have a tennis appointment this month? Actually, so I
got to brush up on floss. How many times I
didn't you floss?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
By the way, I brushed my teeth three to four
times a day. Wow, isn't everybody? And what do you do?
Speaker 7 (23:51):
I just do two morning and ninth?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Do I need to do like you are? Like twelve
hours and just have nothing but DK and plaque and
twelve hours? Don't you know?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I guess I did need to work in a lunch one.
All right, let's get started, Colin. With the Niners in
Brock perty your favorite quarterback in the league.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
They're working towards a long term extension.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
However, really interesting point brought about by Steve Young on
The Rich Eisen Show. He thinks a couple other deals
could impact party negotiations.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
What happened with Nick Bosa and then with Brandon Ayuk
changed the nature this year of how they are going
to go about it. I don't think they were really
appreciative of how that went down and how they got pushed.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
And I think that they're, you know, they're gonna.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Almost feel like a lot more declarative statements coming out.
Quarterbacks are so hard to find that Brock has done
enough for sure to go out and get you know,
and get paid and get and get it done. Now
back to my original point, there's I don't know that
it's going to be smooth.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
How could it be? Yeah, the Niners generally, I'll say this,
the Rams are tougher negotiators and the Niners. The Niners
have caved in a few guys the Rams, don't. I mean,
the Rams were willing to move off Stafford if they
got a first round pick. With Stafford Rock Perty's gonna
get what he wants. I believe I would rather as
(25:20):
an athlete negotiate with the Niners than I would with
McVeigh and the Rams and less Need and Stan Cronky. So,
I mean the Rams moved off a guard today.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
This isn't gonna be some kind of Josh Allen five
six year deals. I'm Patrick Mahomes on term view, right,
It's gonna be more three four years, maybe two years guaranteed,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Well, that's what I would. Yeah, it just.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Doesn't make sense to lock down.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
And I like, you know, I'm like mister brock Purdy,
I'm a huge fan. I think he's an excellent.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
But the brand and I you feel, certainly there's buyers
are more.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, here's the advantage they have. They have drafted pretty well.
They've had misses, but they've drafted pretty well, and I
think they have picks. So you know, again, if you
hit on fifty to sixty percent of your picks, the
Niners are going to fill some holes and some of
that like at corner. If they got Will Johnson from
Michigan first round, they could move off maybe ward the corner.
(26:16):
So they have a couple of situations where if they
hit on draft mean they just moved off Deebo's money.
Ricky pearsall, if they could get a corner, then you
move off, you move off some corner money. Then that
brought pretty contract to get to fifty million, and it's
not that punity. So again, it all comes back that
the Eagles and the Rams have hit on draft picks.
(26:38):
That allows you to have a star quarterback and pay
them and a few others. So if the Niners have
a really good late April weekend, they're going to be
much more comforted in knowing, you know, they hit on
six new players. They have to upgrade the O line
and I think they have to attack corner.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
So I think they had two Super Bowl trips in
like a four year windows now like that, do you
think the windows still do they go into next season?
Speaker 7 (27:01):
In your Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I want to watch the San Francisco forty nine Ers draft.
I really do, because obviously they've got the coach. Christian
McCaffrey comes back well and they.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Don't those tires and try forty seven.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Kittle was a Pro Bowl Jawan Jennings, Piersall, McCaffrey, Trent
Williams comes back, Kyle Shanahan, They'll be fine. I think
they have to go O line and heavy defense in
the draft, and if they have a good weekend and
gets three to four starters, then I feel like they're
still in the bubble.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I would consider less tackle with their first pick, because again,
if anything happens to Trent Williams, we know historically that
offensive life paula part.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, what you do is you draft the left tackle
and for a year he plays right tackle, and then
eventually you move him over when Trent leaves. Yeah, I
think that should be their first pick. By the way,
I think I think offensive tackle for the Niners or
corner should be their first sectre investment.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
If you're paying Rock Party protective all right.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Next up, good news from the Dallas Cowboys. Finally they
have reportedly agreed to a four year, eighty million dollar
deal with defensive tackle. And I hope I don't butcher
this osua o'diggy zuwa.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
I think I got that right.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Mee uh fifty eight million guaranteed twenty million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
He played at UCLA. He had a very good year.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
It's actually two good two year stretch for Dallas.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
I wonder if MICHAEH.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Parsons is like, great, great, my turn, Now can I
get paid? But finally, positive news for the Cowboys who
have had an avalanche.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Well, we spend a lot of time talking about edge rushers,
but if you talk to a lot of NFL people,
they'll tell you there is a pushback to dominant interior
defenders Chris Jones out off of Aaron Donald, Jalen Carter
because edge rushers tend to be a bit more available.
(28:49):
You know, the great defensive tackle. You don't give them up.
You just do not give them up edge rushers, I
mean Max Crosby. A later draft, you can find edge rusher.
There are not a lot of guys that are six
two three point thirty and move well. And when you
get one like Dallas, you do not let him go.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Remember Miami had Wilkins and they were like, oh, we'll
move off, and they could not stop the run this season.
Deepop is terrible. Defensive tackles definitely matter. Jets have a
great one.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Quinn Williams.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Come on, he's a top four or five in the league.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Final story is in the NBA free throw merchant.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
SGA went off last.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Night Colin fifty one points and seven assists, and Zach.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
The producer who here who loves SGA.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Noted, Hey, it's not like he lived at the free
throw line last night, Jason only ten of his fifty
one were on free throws.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
But listen, let's be real.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
SCA twenty eight at half time last night, forty.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Five heading into the pit. He is the second best
player in the league. Yo Kitchen, No, he's not.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yo kitsch is the best player. That's inarguable.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Luca is the second best known.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
No, No, Luca, Jannis, stop it. I think you can go. Yannis.
You can't be as bad defensively as Luca and be
the second best player.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
And he took the match to the finals.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
Last year.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, the AA has he got to the conference finals.
He had Kyrie Irving in a stacked center rotation.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Nobody had them going to the files. That was all Luca.
They took down. Ok see, I need to see Sca
do the You.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Can't be the worst defensive player. He's not the worst.
He not very good.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Listen, Sca had a nice block last night. He has
the most twenty point games of the NBA this season.
And this is like a Joel Embiide all over again.
Everybody wants to give the MVP. Fine, I don't care
give him the MVP. Are they gonna get to the finals?
Speaker 7 (30:30):
That's what matters.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Well, they're a really good basketball team. And by the way,
not only did they draft and develop, well, they took
you know, a valuable player, a big from the New
York Knicks, and the Knicks had good defensively.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
But Colin, let me just quickly ask you this final
five minutes, close game, OKC, Lakers, who are your five
on the floor for OKC?
Speaker 7 (30:50):
That's a big question.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
They've got a lot of Jets Sga Williams, Hey, Doug,
are you doing Artinstein? The guy you got?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, Rovin Caruz, So are you doing lou Dort?
Speaker 7 (31:02):
They just have a lot of good guys, whereas the
Lakers have three really awesome ones. Then ruey, I just
I'm not buying this okay Ce team.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Over the Listen. Here's what's going to happen if they
don't end up in the finals. If first of all
the NBA, it would be a great final to get
the young emerging dynasty potentially. Okay, see, I mean they
got so much well, they have so many drafts. Oh,
I think they have.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
A chance to be billion draft picks book.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Okay, and they already have two stars three actually Williams
chet holmgren SGA is the best of it. So they
could become what Denver didn't. They could go on a run.
We thought Denver was going to win multiple So what
happens if OKAC faces the Lakers in the final and
the Lakers win, I can write the story league is rigged.
They wanted Lebron in. But I will say caution yourself
(31:50):
on this. Oklahoma City is young young players shrink in
road playoff games. That's number one outside of the COVID
bubble year in Orlando, younger players shrink in the playoffs,
especially away from home. Secondly, SGA like James Harden and
Karl Malone, lives on the whistle. You do not get
(32:13):
it in the conference finals and finals. You will not
get the whistle. James Harden, I mean Carl Malone covered
multiple series, he still went to the line, but you
never quite got the regular season whistle. So Okase loses.
You can write the two headlines.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Now, well, I'll go a step further. Okay, Okase loses
to the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
In the playoffs. Let's say second round O of conference finals.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Everybody's destroyed. How are we gonna get by the Lakers?
Do you know what Okay's move in the offseason should be.
We'll package three or four of these guys. Hey, Kevin Durant,
why don't you come right to Oka?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
See right, we need you.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
We need that playoff score.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Kevin Durant returns to OKAC, heroes welcome.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Phoenix, gets some draft picks which they desperately need, and
maybe one good player.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
And Kevin Durant returns to OKAC and they go to
the finals next year.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But you know, as g makes sht and egg shit
and Kevin Durant on the back Okay, it makes a
ton of basketball sense. You like that, but that's not
how Kevin Durant thinks.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
We'll see nobody does how Kevin Durant thinks.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
But listen, I just floated that now based on us talking,
I'm very curious if that gains that attracted, Like Kevin
Durant's gonna have options and where's.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
He gonna go.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
If you're Phoenix and you're moving off Kevin Durant, which
they are, what are you looking for? Draft picks? Draft
pegs and you gotta have one decent player because of contracts,
so you're basically looking for a good player.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
I'll take Jadub off your hands if I'm Phoenix and
heydub and.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Give me four picks.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well you're not getting four from Sam Presty. Yeah, I'll
give me three, all right. J Mack with the news,
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News. Peter Schrager stops by last hour. Yeah,
I'm telling you Lebron's gonna score. He'll be the only
(33:57):
player over fifty thousand points. And go look at the splits.
Lebron his stats forty years old and on compared to
his four MVP years outside of points per game, he
is better at everything that is insane. It really is.
(34:17):
I've never seen anything like it.
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Peter Schrager stops by with some NFL draft bus. I've
said this before that you know, sports are all cyclical.
Boxing used to be bigger. UFC squashed it, Baseball had
a real down fifteen years. In my opinion, I think
they're sort of rebooted it with changes to the pitch
clock and speeding the game up and the defensive shift
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and all the star players are in the right markets.
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Now.
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You know, in the NBA, about every other draft is
what they say is a bad draft. There's not a
lot of talent, which is remarkable because it's a global
game you're choosing from. And in the NFL, I don't
remember a draft that had less bizaz. Now we have
had very weak quarterback drafts. The Kenny Pickett draft that
had you know, Kenny Pickett was the only like first
round quarterback and he was kind of a second to
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a third rounder that the Steelers reached on him. He
kind of understood it. He had a good last year,
he was a Pittsburgh kid, played in the same facility.
Blah blah blah. But this is the weakest draft I
remember in the NFL, And part of me thinks, why
I don't ever remember having a draft where like everybody
I've talked to, In fact, today, the Bears in the
Rams made a trade. Why tells you don't like the
free agents. It's not a good free agent class. It's
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not a good draft class. And my take is about
ten years ago, when the NFL had that big CTE controversy,
there was a lot of negativity around the league, and
you saw multiple stories about moms not wanting their sons
to play high school football, and turnout for football was
much lower. Maybe not in the South or Texas, but
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in a lot of parts of the country, high school
football turnout was less and lower. And my question is
is this a result of that, that we are going
to start to see a little more regularly weaker drafts
and that there's gonna be a dilution of talent. Now
I don't know this to be true, but I do
not remember a draft where I thought there were like
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six elite players, and I watch a ton of college
football and I'm not you know, the Arizona receiver team,
Ac Mason, Graham, Will Johnson, Abdul Carter. I don't think
these quarterbacks are a prospects. Cam Ward's dynamic, shaduur is capable.
I don't think they're great prospects. I think last year
they would have been like fifth or six best quarterback prospects.
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I just don't think it's a very good draft. I
don't think there's a great tackle offensive tackle. I don't
think there's a great defensive tackle. I think there's one
receiver I like, I don't think there's any I think, actually,
what does it tell you that the running back class
is the best by far? And that's a position that
for you has been soft or weak, and now it's
like they all kind of fit into this draft. So
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I don't know. This is Jmax's mock draft. Uh. I
agree with some of it, not the other. The thing
that I roll my eyes at is everybody's saying Shador
Sanders is going to drop to the end of the
first round. Guys, the New York Giants have a GM
and a coach that could be fired by Thanksgiving. They
are gonna have to make a move for quarterback if
one's available. Now, if one's not available, they can go,
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you know, figure it out. But I think cam Woard,
Shadu or Sanders j Max got him going one and two.
I mean, if you're Cleveland or Tennessee or New York,
if one of these guys is available, how do you
not draft them? Abdul Carter Travis Hunter asked questions because
he wants to play both ways, and Abdull Carter has
an injury. So even the two dynamic athletes in the class,
there's a little bit of a question mark. You have
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to take cam Ward, you have to take Shadeur. And
that doesn't mean they're great. But I watch Tennessee, Cleveland,
New York. Those are four or five win teams if
they don't roll the dice on quarterback. And here's the thing,
it's not that cam Warden, shaduor Sanders. Here's the advantage.
So last year all the top quarterbacks, almost all the
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top quarterbacks went to defensive coaches. It was a disaster
for Caleb Williams. Right this year, Tennessee, Cleveland and the
Giants all have offensive coaches, so the quarterback class is
not as good, but the environment could be a little
more seamless because you get an offensive guy. Now, Washington
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hired the perfect oc for Jaden Daniels, but in Chicago
it was a mess. In fact, bo Nicks for most
of the season looked like maybe the best rookie until
the end. Why because he got Sean Payton. So it's
a year with kind of B level prospects. But Callahan,
you like, I think Kevin Stefanski's great, and we both
think Brian dave Olls talented. So let's say Shador goes
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to the Giants. Listen, they got a left tackle, they
got a great weapon, they have an offensive coach.
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Hold on, let's back up, what do the.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
Giants do in free agency, which is coming up here
in a week or two. Right, you got Justin Fields,
Sam Darnall.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Nobody in New York's buying any of that.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
But so then you're banking on we have to trade
up because what if quarterback.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Go one too?
Speaker 6 (40:13):
You cannot go on a next season with the DeVito
or whoever they got at court.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
You can't do that or it's a it's a rap.
So I'm gonna ask you this.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Let's say the Jets and Giants do nothing in free agency,
They've got to trade up for a quarterback. So would
you rather have justin Fields on like a three year deal,
or would you trade up for Cam or Shadur Because
that's what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
It's heterator for these those are not choices. I'm I
would you know, let's just take it. So I think
Cam and Shad are going one and two. I would
agree with you. I think I agree with you.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
If you can't get.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
A quarterback in free agency for the Jets, you must
trade up or settle for a second round flyer. You
don't know if your guy from Syracuse McCord, Yeah, I
don't know if it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
No, yeah, I I just when I see people dropping
to the bottom of the draft, boy.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
You can call him out lancer a line you watch.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well, I mean that's his opinion. I agree with you
that in a quarterback centric league, cam Warden Shaduer with
offensive coaches with offensive By the way, I don't think
the Titans or the Browns have terrible offensive lines, so
these guys aren't going They're going to offensive coaches. Both
have weapons, decent offensive line play. They maybe be prospects,
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but that's a pretty good situation. Caleb Williams goes to
the Bears. The A line stinks, the coaches defensive, they
run through the staff by the end of the year.
That's a disaster. I don't think yeah, I think they're
going one and two. I think you nailed it. Shreg's
joining US hour three on a Tuesday. It's the hurd
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