March 6, 2025 • 37 mins
Colin explained why the Celtics are the best schemed team ever, after Derrick White and Payton Pritchard each dropped 40+ points vs the Blazers and why NFL teams shouldn’t overpay for Seahawks star WR DK Metcalf.
Plus, NFL Reporter Dianna Russini joins the show to talk DK Metcalf’s future, Aaron Rodgers' next team, and why Sam Darnold may not get as much as we thought in free agency
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man, do we have stuff today? We have so much
stuff we may just go four hours. Call Nick right,
tell him we'll have to bump him live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
I got to get the shirt right here. I got,
I mean I got. I'm doing so much intel here
today and work in the phones. I'm not even ready
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to go. Jmack. I can't go to the Knicks Lakers tonight.
I've got and I'm watching the game. But I've got
a little bit of a meeting. I got to go to.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Hey d one last night too. Huh, stiff armed me.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's not about it was an Intel meeting last night.
I got all sorts of good stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I just happened to be with an NBA for were NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Coach last night. Oh oh, I think you could probably
get him on the show. He had some interesting things
to say. Shall we say?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah? I know who it was, good guy. So let's
start with this. I've been watching the NBA since the
early seventies, and this year I think this is kind
of funny. But I'm all of a sudden the Jason
Tatum hater. And all I said about seven years ago
is this kid's really good. But he may want to
model his game after Kobe Bryant, but he's not Kobe.
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Like you got to occasionally as a star, just be selfish.
Even Steph Curry, who I love, can be hey, it's
my ball, stay away. And so I've said with Tatum,
I look at the Celtics as a great team, and
he's their most versatile talented player, but he's not always
their best player. And I'm not even sure if he's
their lead alpha. I think Jalen Brown is. So last
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night it's a great example. Three Celtics were out Holiday
Porzingis and Jason Tatum and Peyton Pritchard scored forty three,
and Derek White scored forty one. That's what makes the
Celtics great. It's not Tatum. It's the team thing that
tells you a lot about the team. In the seventies,
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the Sonics were great. The leading scorer in their championship
year was Gus Williams nineteen a game. The Washington Bullets
at the time, they were called they were great. Their
best player in their championship season Elvin Hayes nineteen points
a game. Like the seventies, was about team construction, good coaching,
won B plus plus star right then Magic Dynasties, Bird Dynasty,
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Shack Dynasty, Kobe Dynasty, Lebron Steph, KD MJ. Then it
was the Dynasties taken over the NBA Duncan. It was
unbelievably other worldly all time talents. You know, guys that
are on the all time starting five, first, second, third team.
What the Celtics are is seventies basketball. Now, they may
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be the best constructed team ever, but this is not
a star driven team. Last night it's a great example.
In fact, think about this, when Yokich misses a game,
the Denver Nuggets are ten points less of a team
and they're like under five hundred. When Steph misses a game,
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Warriors are seven points less of a team. I looked
it up this morning. Here's another one. When Jannis is
out the Bucks five hundred team seven points less as
a team. When Jason Tatum is out the last two years,
the Celtics are not only ten and two, they're eight
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points better without him. So you're trying to tell me
he's Steph. You're trying to tell me he's a Jannis.
You're trying to tell me he's Jokic. The team's eight
points better when he leaves. In fact, last night it's
the first time in Celtics history two guys scored forty
plus points. Tatum and Brown have never done it. So
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it's like telling me brock Purty should be paid like
Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Mahomes. Jason Tatum's
really good. But the story last night is what they
are there. They are a master class in roster construction
because Danny Ainge is a personnel savant and so is
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Brad Stevens. Back to back brilliant GMS Howie Roseman level aggressive,
smart risk taker. Stevens is brilliant. He's too smart for
college basketball probably, and Danny Age is brilliant. How many
teams has he taken to showers over the years. And
they've constructed I mean, it's like they beat the NBA Apron,
like they have a cheat code. They have more good
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players than everybody. I mean, Peyton Pritchard dropping forty three,
the hell's going on. No other team's got a guy
like Peyton Pritchard gonna win sixth Man of the Year
dropping forty three in the Stars out, so Holidays out,
Porzingis is out, Tatum's out. They got two other guys
that can go forty plus. So it's not a criticism.
They're like the seventies team. They're not shacking Kobe. They're
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not Stephan KD. They're not MJ and Pippin. I mean,
they're not even Duncan Parker and manob Menu Genobli. They
are the greatest roster constructed team with the most depth
arguably ever. If in the seventies, they would have been
the team that won a second or a third title.
But they're not beating Shaq and Kobe. They're not beating
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Michael lin Scotti or Kat and Steph. That's not what
they are and so I just thought it was great
last night that I've been saying this on and on.
You are trying to get me to put Tatum in
this group with Jokic and Staff and KD and Lebron
and the numbers Ted and Tooney didn't play. This is
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the best nineteen seventies basketball team in the planet. They
just play in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five,
and I think they will beat Cleveland in the Eastern
Conference Finals and that will be the NBA Finals. The
two best teams are Cleveland and Boston. Cleveland is a load,
but I think Boston. What they did last night is
I don't think Cleveland can do that regularly. If Donovan
Mitchell's out, it's not the same team. Tatum's out eight
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points better. And so that don't confuse contextualization and hate.
I love Tatum. He's one of those guys. He'd make
every team in the league. He's a tremendous player. I
think he's closer to like Klay Thompson. Now he's better
than Klay Thompson. When Klay Thompson was the best two
guard in the league. I had said at the time,
he's the only player in the NBA, you could put
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on every team and it wouldn't affect the team. It
would just make him better. If you put Lebron, who's
a better player than Clay Thompson, if you put Lebron
on every single team, it would screw up some teams
because he and his prime was the ecosystem for every offense.
You could just put Klay Thompson on any team in
the league and be like, yep, we got the best
catch and shoot guy, best number two defender in the league.
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And so I think that's Jason Tate. I think Jason
Tatum is actually closer to Clay and his prime than
Steph and his prime. And I think, and you'd think
that's a Clay Thompson's a Hall of Famer. Now, I
think Tatum's better than Klay Thompson. But Clay fits everywhere.
Tatum fits everywhere. But when Clay Thompson took the night off,
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Warriors were fine. Steph takes the night off sub five hundred,
it's different. Joe Mizzoula on Derek White and Peyton Pritchard
lighting up the world last night, they were tremendous.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I mean, I think with guys out and playing against
a really good Portland team and we're go need to
have guys step up. And the way those two players
just shows a lot about who they are. You know,
they do a lot of the dirty stuff when we're
fully healthy, they do a lot of the things, and
you know, for the team, and to have a night
like this where those two can show what they're capable
of was big for us. So you know, we're lucky
to have him and it was a lot of fun
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to watch him do that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
By the way, before you bang on that Klay Thompson reference,
Klay Thompson was a top five or six defender in
the league and the best catch and shoo guy in
the league. And it's gonna be a first ballot Hall
of Famer. So don't give me this. Jason Tatum is
better than Klay Thompson. He is. Klay Thompson. His prime
was unbelievable. It was honable. That's I mean, when you
get a nickname as a back court Splash brothers when
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you're considered better than Jerry West and Gail Goodrich. Yeah, yeah,
Clay Thompson was unbelievable in his prime. He can still
drop twenty four on any given night. Okay, so this
happened yesterday. DK Metcalf wants to be traded. J Mack
hit on this a year and a half ago. Got
to even credit. He said, we're in a you heard
a housing bubble. He said, We're at a wide receiver bubble.
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We're paying these guys too much and it's really interesting.
So right now DK Metcalf is thirty one million dollars
against the cap, and I know he's good, but I
was thinking about this driving to work this morning. Jamar
Chase wants forty million dollars a year. Jamar Chase played
last year and with Joe Burrow they couldn't make the playoffs.
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Justin Jefferson's the best receiver in league history. Through five years,
He's never won a playoff game. The Eagles won the
Super Bowl. Jalen Hirsch threw for eighteen regular season touchdown passes.
Until this Super Bowl. The Chiefs had dominated the league
recycling wide receivers. The Bills got better without Stefan Diggs.
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The only time the Patriots and Brady had a great
receiver like an all timer was Randy Moss. Didn't win
a Super Bowl the last three seasons. NFL touchdown. Wide
receiver leaders have a single playoff win. So it's not
that I don't like receivers, but I'm going to talk
about something that never gets discussed. In fact, I've never
seen this discust even online. I'm sure it has been
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what I like about wide receivers. Do they move that?
Do they get first downs? Edelman with Brady, Amaran Saint
Brown with Golf Puco with Stafford Kittled with Brock Purdy,
Dallas Goddard with Philadelphia. They move the chains. I've said
this about the deep threat receiver. He's the convertible sports
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car of the NFL. Useless. Flashy fun talked about useless
December January. So Omaran Saint Brown has seventy three catches
that resulted in first downs. That's what I want. Brought
Bowers as a rookie tight end and the Raiders were
bad at quarterback had sixty one catches that resulted in
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first downs. DK Metcalf had thirty five and was also
the most penalized receiver since he entered the league. So
half the time because of tantrums, he's pulling you back
to first and thirty or first and twenty. So it's
not that they don't like him, But Jim Harbaugh's courer.
Everybody's like DK Metcalf Chargers. If you go look at
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Jim Harbaugh's career, he doesn't have dominant number one receivers.
Jim Harbaugh has coached in six either conference championships in
college or conference championships in the NFL. That's a lot six.
Who's his dominant number one receiver. That's not who he is.
So I don't think this is a fit to the Chargers.
I really don't. They moved off Bosi yesterday. They're gonna
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draft an end rusher. I think of hardball, I think
of toughness. I think of O line, D line. I
think of physicality. I think of risk taking. I don't
think wide receiver. But it's not that I don't like
DK Metcalf, but he is the most penalized receiver since
he entered the league, and he doesn't get enough first downs.
I like Goddard and Kittle and Puka, and who I
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really love is Amaran Saint Brown. Seventy three catches are
first downs. I don't need four to two speed. That's
awesome at the combine, I don't need it. When he
was in his prime, Cooper Cup was a first down.
You go to that Matt Stafford run to win the
Super Bowl. Cooper Cup was a first down. That's what
I'm into. Not forty million dollars a year, thirty one
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million dollar cap pits and really flashy and fast down
the field. End of the year. I need to move
the chains. I'm not getting sixty five yard rainbows, all right.
J Mac had a big piece of meat last night,
steak house night.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Is it not settling well in your stomach? Is that
why you're you know, going after Jason jam best team
in the NBA, defending champions, first Team Owl, NBA lock
again and he's just just trashing him.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
No, I'd like to say, once again, you didn't hear
the compliment that the Boston Celtics are the nineteen seventies NBA.
They're just better than all those teams. I go back
to those Washington bullet teams, unselled Bobby Dandrich, Phil Scheneer,
Kevin Greevy, Elvin Hayes. They were out. I can name
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the Sonics roster, the Blazers rosters, but they were all
They had one really good player. Bill Walton was great
before the injuries, but it was mostly roster construction. And
then all of a sudden, Magic and Bird changed it.
Then we became the dynasty League. People are in to
have a dynasty league, you have to have a superstar.
Last night, Tatum's out. They're now ten and two without him.
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There is no other superstar in league history that leaves
and the organization wins.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
More.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's roster construction. The star is Brad Stevens and Nanny Inge.
Those are the stars of the They even changed coaches,
they literally changed coaches, no effect.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, I wonder how Tatum keeps getting selected First Team
All NBA. Like honestly, that means he's top two at
his position forward in the league in an arrow with
Lebron and KD.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And like you know, Yannis and Luca. Something. Something's giving him.
Tatum a lot of props.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
By the way, Klay Thompson made a lot of made
a lot of lists.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
He did.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, okay, he was good.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Who was awesome?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Prome two way player? Awesome? Great? He was the best
two guard two way two guard in the league for
eight years, number two at least three or four? Yeah, well,
I mean who was the second best?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
The Wade it was when Wave kind of phased out
and Clay took over.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
For about seven years, he was the best guy in
the league at his position. That fit everywhere. That's what
Tatum is. Tatum is a great He can he can score,
he can defend. He's a good guy. You know. The
other thing is stars at some point are are they
just take the ball and say talk to the hand.
I mean, that's what they do that. I think Tatum
sometimes is too nice and it's a great quality as
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a human. It's not necessarily a great quality to be
a basketball superstar.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Nice guys still finished last or is that like an
antion thing.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, that's a nice guys do fine, do they? But
but they're not as good as Shack.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I think you gotta be a kind of well I
because sometimes.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You have to be selfish. Sometimes it's like, it's my ball,
it's my team, Marcus Smart. Let's just know you gotta
talk to him in the huddle. You will not touch
the ball for four minutes. I need the ball. And
by the way, that that's what you have to say.
That's just what you have to But that's not what
the Celtics are. I mean, good God, Holiday Tatum Porzingis out,
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Peyton Pritchard, he's good.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Man might be the second best contract in the league
after Austin Reeves.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They got a couple of them. Celtics have them. Derek White,
he was from about three years Man.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
They got a great team.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
No it is, it isn't all now. I would argue
it's an all time The Celtics aren't good. It's an
all time roster construction team. I mean the Heatles didn't
have a center and a good point guard. They had
three great players. Yeah, they were totally.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Lobsided minimum contracts everywhere.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean it was I mean the Lakers, it was Shaq, Kobe,
you know, then some d fish. But there was holes.
There are no holes on the Celtics. There are none.
They defend the rim, the perimeter, they can defend on ball.
They have no blemishes. Tatum's gone, They're ten and two.
That is an all time roster we're looking at right
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now in the NBA. All right, Diana Russini top of
next hour. Chris Brusard stopping by as well. Oh, I
got I got I got more. Steph Curry Love more
Steph Curry Love.
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Speaker 1 (16:23):
You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great Rates None of the bull. By the way, somebody
just sent me. A friend inside the company sent me
a text about this Celtic. I'm calling the Celtics the
greatest roster construction. I've ever seen the fact that Tatum,
Drew Haliday and porsingis can be gone, and Derek White
and Pritchard last night both drop over forty. It's in
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that's that nobody could do that.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
The Pistons, somebody sent me this. The all four Pistons
that beat the Lakers similarly did not have a superstar,
although it was Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace and Chauncey
billups a Tayshaun Prince. I think the Celics are a
better version of that, a much better offense. That Rip
Hamilton was on that team as well. I think this
team's better, But I would say this Celtics, those Pistons,
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you know, the Sonics, the Blazers, the Washington Bullets. At
the time, it's just incredible. And the other thing is
people say, well, how come he always makes all NBA.
Remember the NBA came out with that sixty five game
minimum to make awards. Tatum always plays sixty five games.
You know, like sometimes is Lebron going to do that?
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Is Ad going to do that? Is Yanni's going to
do that? Is is Luca going to do that? So
Tatum's going to make the lists. That doesn't necessarily mean
anybody thinks he's Jokic. But if you go look at Jokic,
Stephen Giannis and Lebron when they're off, the team is
noticeably worse. This team's ten and two without Tatum and
scores eight more points a game. It shows you how
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unbelievably historic the Celtics roster is. I mean, I think
Cleveland could win the championship in almost any other year
in the last seven or eight. I just don't think
they'll get through Boston. So I know Celtic fans think
this is hate. It's like, no, this is the greatest
non superstar team ever. You just keep telling me Tatum's
a superstar, and I'm just telling you he's a star.
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He and Jalen Brown are Tatum's better. It's close. So
I love this the other day, Shack came on after
Steph went into the garden and uh, you know, rocked
another one. Just a great night, and Shaq came on
the air and giving the ultimate respect to Steph Curry.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I demand you, fans and start putting Steph Curry in
that greatest of all time conversation. Just just start putting
them in a conversation with the conversation Kobe, and start
putting stuff in that conversation. I demand it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Why does the Big Man Alliance need to say something.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Because I am the supreme leader in manvoyce counts. Listen,
I played against Mike, played with Kobe, played against An
with Lebron. All great, but you go, at some point
we're gonna have to put Steph Curry in that category.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I think the greatest compliment about Steph Curry that I
could pay him is, I think you have to consider
replacing Magic Johnson on the all time starting five. I'm
not saying you do it, you gotta consider it. Now.
We all know Kareem, Lebron, and mj those are etched
in stone. Kareem most unstoppable shot, Michael the most relentless,
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greatest player, and Lebron the greatest Swiss army knife. We
can argue about forwards, Duncan Bird, whatever you want, but
we have three etched in stone. I always thought it
was four. I always thought Magic was etched in stone.
But if you look one of the reasons that Lebron
and you know it would wear well because Lebron would
be good fifty years ago, good, ten years ago, good today,
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good twenty years ago. Lebron's everything. I don't think Magic
he would be great today, but I don't think his
game ages as well. I think Larry Bird's game ages
better than Magic's because of the three ball. I think
Larry Bird today would be I mean, what would he be.
He would be Luca. I mean he would be Luca
in better shape. That would be Larry Bird. He would
be unbelievable past, unbelievable score, not a great defender, but
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he'd be Luke in better shape. You couldn't stop him.
He'd score whatever you want. He would score forty points regularly.
He could score fifty if you wanted to. Bird ages
very well. Magic's not a shooter and it's a shooters league.
That's why I don't like the Houston Rockets in the playoffs.
They can't shoot. I don't want to hear about their athletes.
They can't shoot. And so but if you've never seen
Steph play, he'd never seen him play. Here is think
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about this. This is how you would describe his game.
He scores faster than any human being ever. Like remember
when Reggie Miller got like eight points and nine seconds.
That's Steph's entire career. He scores faster than anybody. So
he changed. I mean, Magic Johnson may have saved the NBA,
but Steph Curry revolutionized not only the NBA, international, high school,
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AU and college basketball. Here's Steve Kerr talking about his
best player.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Steph is the most unique superstar of all time. The
way he impacts the game is different. And so when
you have these conversations about who's the greatest ever, you know,
you automatically go to these uh you know his genetic marvels.
You know Lebron and UH and Michael Jordan and you
know will Chang on whoever else. Steph doesn't fit that
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normal mode. So I love that Shaq is bringing that
up because from a skill standpoint, it's not even close.
He's he is the greatest ever. From a skills standpoint.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, and I just love that he's enduring and that
he just he was sort of on a treadmill to nowhere.
They gave him Jimmy Butler. He has just said, I'm
my average, I'm I'm gonna take I'm gonna take one
more shot a game and average six and a half
more points a game since Jimmy Butler, Rye. That tells
you he just needed he needed a push, he needed
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a buddy to show off to, and he's back to
being all time stuff.
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Speaker 1 (23:00):
Cano and Rich, Oh welcome in kind of Excited to
watch on TV. J Mack will be watching live Nick
Lakers tonight. Lakers start a very tough, tough, tough like
seven game stretch.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Austin Reeves, Mago, karl Ane Towon's expected back Lakers first quarters,
the Lakers minus one.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You gonna hit that? No, it feels like a trap
because you've.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Bet a lot more basketball than I do.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
College hoops last night, nice little two and one? Yeah,
had ole miss.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
How about this? Keeping your eye? You know what I
want for a final four in college basketball? Duke better there,
Tom Izzoh Michigan State is Oh Muchigan State's good.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I'm on Iowa to night.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Okay, Michigan State's good. I want Tom Izzo, Rick Mattino,
Duke and Cooper Flag and then the best SEC team.
If that's the final four, I would vote for it. Now.
Michigan State, this is a really good team.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
They got some good dudes.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But if I get Izzo and Rick Bettino, two fiery guys.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
You like Patino because of the white suits, No.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I just I think Rick is intense. Izzo's intense. I
like these old school you know, get in your face,
get in the player's face, get in the officials face.
I love Izzo, I love Fatino, and they're great coaches.
And then give me Duke and Cooper Flag, the best
player easily in college basketball. Then give me Auburn.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Do you need more of that fire from me? Or
am I like?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
No, you're doing okay, demeanor. I don't need a white suit. No,
you're doing fine. But I do think that you remember
the NBA Draft. This year is very domestic. It's Rutgers guys,
it's Duke guys. It's a like last year. I've never
seen anybody play this year. It's like the WNBA draft,
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like you're gonna see domestic players that you watch big
ten sec. I think Auburn's the best team i've seen.
Bruce Pearl's excellent. I think I think that's a great team.
But if you can give me Cooper Flag, I mean,
Duke's got like three NBA dudes, at least three.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
By the way, you mentioned WNBA.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Did you see Caitlin Clark's team got like a a
bunch of good players in the offseason. I know you're
not monitoring WNBA, but Caitlin Clark and I did, I
want the fever. They got some good players. They are,
They're gonna be a problem this year. Would not be
surprised if they make a run to the finals.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Caitlyn Clark, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
For you too. I don't know you and I talked
about this. We are in the content business. Caitlin Clark
gives us fifteen segments in July and August. We are
pro Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese WNBA. We're looking for segments
in August. I can't talk Steeler quarterback situations. I mean
I got I went Kenny Pickett August once. That was
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a rough that was a rough summary with that. Diana Russini,
the Athletic senior NFL Insider, also got a cool podcast
out there, breaking news all the time. All right, why
don't you give your podcast a plug?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Give it up, Give it up, plug Let America Hero,
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
How about you?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
All right?
Speaker 10 (25:50):
I got it twice a week podcast.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
We're gonna have a big show on Monday to start
a free agencies called Scoop City.
Speaker 10 (25:57):
You can get it anywhere.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
On Spotify, Apple, iTunes, anywhere at the Athletic you can
click and find it. And it's essentially me and Chase Daniel,
a fourteen year veteran, and it's me and him. I
give him all the intel and then he tells me
what the real deal is based off the information I
tell him. It's a quick listen forty five minutes. You
can run errands, get get the things done around your
house and pretty much listen to one show and know
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everything you need to know.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
About the league.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
All right, there you go, and it's good.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Wow, thank you. I was not ready for that. Did
I do all right? Selling it?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You did a great job. So DK Metcalf middle of
our show yesterday. I like him, but I've said this before.
It could be AJ Brown DK Metcalf. It is the position,
for whatever reasons, that tends to be the most verbal,
and sometimes that can be verbal slash disruptive. I don't
think DK Metcalf is disruptive, but last year thirty five
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catches were first downs armor on Saint round double. He
also gets penalized a lot, leads the league in penalty
yards as a receiver since he entered it. A lot
of that's temperamental would move off him. But he's thirty
one million. I think maybe you get a second or
third round pick. Just give me the backstory on this.
John Snyder has been great at drafting wide receivers, so
they'll be fine. But give me the DK market story.
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What are you hearing?
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Yeah, so right now, teams that are interested in DK,
they've reached out to Seattle and they're being told right
now that the compensation they're looking for is a first
and third in exchange for the wide receiver.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
So that is very, very high.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Let's just go back to the Aj Brown trade between
the Tennessee Titans and the Philadelphia Eagles, right, That's basically
what we're talking about here, and I think we can
all fairly say they are not the same player, and
obviously a few years have gone by since then. So look,
a lot of teams that I've talked to around the
league that definitely had their eye on Seattle over the
last few weeks, knowing that they could possibly be moving on.
Speaker 10 (27:54):
Just feel that that price is just it's too high. Yeah,
So I'm I'm.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Going to predict that's going to change here soon as
they're testing out the market to see, like, all right,
we try to get our best, but that's probably gonna
be too much. DK wants a new deal. He wants
about thirty million a year. And I do agree with
you on how you are categorizing receivers in football. They
are loud, and they tend to be the ones with
the most personality and sometimes the ones.
Speaker 10 (28:20):
Causing the biggest headaches.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
But when you look at a player like DK, he's
still a big guy.
Speaker 10 (28:26):
He's really good off the ball.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
He obviously he's come up with some really big catches,
And when you're taking a look at just this free
agent market of wide receivers, it's not great. So I
can see why there are teams poking around to try
to see if they can get Seattle to move off
this number here, at least off a first round pick
in exchange. Knowing that, Look, he could go to a
team and quickly make a difference. But I do think
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he's going to need a team with a strong head coach.
I was told he wants to go to a warm
weather organization. Think that cuts it down to some of
the teams here that we're talking about that would be interested.
Speaker 10 (29:05):
And then you too.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
I mean, Colin, just look around the league. Every team
that needs a receiver right now, you know what comes
to mind. The Panthers, Jacksonville, the New England, Patriots, Houston,
the Chargers. For now, I can tell you none of
those teams are going to pay that price, none of them.
I've reached out to all of them. They're not going
to do it, but they certainly still have interest.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I thought an interesting story. I love what the Bears did.
This is what Washington did last year before Jayden and
Daniels took an NFL snap, They went and got a
couple of interior linemen. And this is what the Bears did.
Jonah Jackson, I get the Rams moving off that, but
he's got a lot of experience. I was surprised, considering
that Mahomes was in peril and running for his life
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in big games last year that they moved off Joe Tooney,
who did one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
They've took a guard, put him at left tackle and
was actually excellent. What we know, the Bears probably did
a really good thing here what happened in Kansas City? Like,
I guess, why do they move off him?
Speaker 10 (30:09):
No, it's a great point you make.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
I reported right after the Super Bowl after talking with
some people in Kansas City after their loss, Like, make
no mistake, Brett Veach is going to fix this. This
is going to be priority number one protecting Patrick Mahomes.
This looked exactly the way he did in Tampa. We
saw what he did then and here in this situation,
whenever I see them move off a player that I believe,
just from my own eyes, contribute so much more than
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just what we're seeing on the field, what it says
to me is we're making moves for someone else. We've
got our eye on someone that we think is either younger, cheaper,
and I can tell you they've got a plan because
Kansas City tends to do that and which is why
they have so much success. So well, I think it's
difficult for them to walk away from a player like
this who has brought so much success to them and
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has been part of the fabric of this team.
Speaker 10 (30:56):
I think in.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Their minds there are players that they can bring in
here and immediately have a good impact here. And then
obviously on the other side of this for Chicago, I mean,
come on, Ben Johnson's just doing what he saw in
Detroit and what he did in Detroit. Get some protection
and I can run whatever the heck I want to run.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
Right, So he's going to be able to do that
and address it.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
And look, we can just keep going back to the
Super Bowl as just like the perfect example of how
you want to build a team. Credit to Howie Roseman
and the coaching by Nick Surianni in that game. Right,
the way they built that team, that championship roster is
how a lot of teams are trying to replicate. And
as not a secret, we've all known that that's the
way to do it, except I think this team truly
highlighted that importance.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Okay, so it's not a good free agent quarterback market.
It's not a good quarterback college market, So Sam Darnold,
it would seem to me would have a pretty viable market.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I said this the other day Josh Allen was MVP.
I watched them go nine for thirty against Houston. I
watched him be awful against the Colts. Great quarterbacks have
awful games. If the production is down, you're on the road.
I mean, Donald at Detroit it felt like the biggest
game in Detroit in a decade. But were those last
two games, the one against the Rams where he was
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running for his life and the game against Detroit where
he just didn't play well? Are those going to eliminate
the first fourteen games Because it doesn't feel like there's
a huge Donald market.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
I know it's it's peculiar. And I've had conversations with
people that are desperate for quarterbacks right now. And there's
something about the way he lost those two games that
is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of
these decision makers.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
And I do think it's layered.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Okay, I think part of it is there's an attitude
of CEE, we told you Donald isn't that good.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
That was just lightning the bottle.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
Things just lined up right, you know, they were winning
in certain games because of certain situations. This isn't the
real Sam Donald. We're just getting the best version of
him in this moment. This isn't the true Okay, So
you have that. Then you have another layer to this
where people believe that Kevin O'Connell is the best coach
for Sam Donald. So if you're a coach who, let's says,
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on a short lease leash and you're selling to your
owner and your GM like let's go get Sam, I
can do it, there may be some hesitance there. Can
you get the same Sam Donald that Kevin O'Connell was
able to get? You know, this idea that no one
truly knows who Sam Donald is. I feel like has
been following him his entire career, going back to when
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he was throwing at SC and I had people on
the ground telling me Sam Donald is going to be
the next big thing. And those same people that I
would stay in touch with over the years when Sam
was struggling, would would be so frustrated because they would
be like, you don't understand, he's good. This just these
aren't the right programs for him. And so in Minnesota
it's the best program for him. Which is why I
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think there's gonna be an effort made from both Donald's
camp and from the Vikings camp to try to make
something work here.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
But come you're right. I talked to you at the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
I think one of the things I shared with you
is I was really expecting Sam's market to be in
the forties. I do not predict it to be that.
I think it's going to be less than that. I
think it's going to be in the low thirties, possibly
maybe even high twenties, if Minnesota can get the kind
of deal that they want to get. But it is
certainly changed considering last week we were chasing the Matthew
Stafford story like a bunch of lunatics, knowing that these
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teams were so desperate to get Stafford in the building,
being the Vegas Raiders the New York Giants, they are
not going aggressively hard at Sam Donald the way they
were going after Matthew Stafford, understandably.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
You know, it's the same thing with movies. Great movie, lowsy,
twelve minutes at the end, you think it's a bad movie.
Donald had a lowsy couple of games, and it's just like,
you know, Josh Alan had a bad game. It's against Houston.
Nobody remembers it, and that's just the way it is. Sometimes.
Timing is everything now, So I would argue on the
behalf of Aaron Rodgers, who I have been critical of before.
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So when they fired Ebert Saw in New York, they
lost their best coach. In my opinion, I think Soligan coach.
I'd give him another chance at the head coaching job.
Jets a mess, and I thought they had a very
weak staff that point forward, and yet in the last
ten games, without great protection, Aaron was pretty good. So again,
like Darnold, I think the pendulum has swung too far
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on Aaron Rodgers. If I was the Raiders, I would
take him today. I don't get this it appears now.
Is this an Aaron thing? You can't his last ten
games he almost had one hundred quarterback rating and it
was a suboptimal staff. So what's going on with Aaron?
Speaker 8 (35:39):
What's going on with us? Why are we starting to agree?
I need to go on Nick Wright's show. I need
to fight with someone a debate. We're in line too.
What does that say about my life right now? That
I'm in line with you? On all this stuff because
I agree. I just was talking about it on my
podcast that you know, my co host chased, how do
you think Giants fans should feel about the idea of
Aaron Rodgers playing for the Giants?
Speaker 10 (35:58):
And I said they should feel the way the Jets
fans felt.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
Two years ago, optimistic, because I can tell you I've
spoken to enough people around the league who believe that
Aaron Rodgers still has something left in the tank and
it's decent. And put him in the right environment with
the right head coach who can be a little bit
more demanding and hold him to the same type of
rules and standards and the way they wanted to run,
you know, treat him like everyone else. I think we
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can get that they could squeeze a little bit of
the of the juice out of them. It's just going
to be where is he going to flourish best? The
Rams situation was so ideal, Colin, and I really I
thought that I.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Thought it was gonna happen.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
At one point when I was in Indianapolis at the
Scouting con my last week, I said that this is
this is really gonna happen. Matthew Safford's gonna leave and
Rogers is going to go there. But in the end,
obviously Stafford decided to stick with Sean McVay for another year,
and the Raiders are going to poke around. Here's what
I can tell you when when we're like lining teams
up with veteran quarterbacks, every team that needs a quarterback
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right now has a line out to every single available
veteran quarterback at this moment, because right now, no one
can read the landscape well because we don't know who's
going where. You know, the idea of Daniel Jones going
to India's on the table. Could he possibly go to Vegas?
Right chick Kelly, you know he's going to want a
mobile quarterback. Could could justin Fields leave Pittsburgh. Perhaps he
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can wind up in Vegas. Maybe the Russell Wilson thing
could perhaps turn into him going to Las Vegas. All
of this is on the table, and the teams are
being really open about it.
Speaker 10 (37:34):
No one's being coy like we got our eye on
just one guy.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Everyone is saying the same things, which we've got to
reach out to everyone because we have no idea how
this is going to shake.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Diana Russini as oh was absolute money. It is great
seeing you. You and Chase are great on Scoop City,
and thank you again for stopping Buy
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man, do we have stuff today? We have so much
stuff we may just go four hours. Call Nick right,
tell him we'll have to bump him live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
I got to get the shirt right here. I got,
I mean I got. I'm doing so much intel here
today and work in the phones. I'm not even ready
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to go. Jmack. I can't go to the Knicks Lakers tonight.
I've got and I'm watching the game. But I've got
a little bit of a meeting. I got to go to.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Hey d one last night too. Huh, stiff armed me.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's not about it was an Intel meeting last night.
I got all sorts of good stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I just happened to be with an NBA for were NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Coach last night. Oh oh, I think you could probably
get him on the show. He had some interesting things
to say. Shall we say?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah? I know who it was, good guy. So let's
start with this. I've been watching the NBA since the
early seventies, and this year I think this is kind
of funny. But I'm all of a sudden the Jason
Tatum hater. And all I said about seven years ago
is this kid's really good. But he may want to
model his game after Kobe Bryant, but he's not Kobe.
(01:34):
Like you got to occasionally as a star, just be selfish.
Even Steph Curry, who I love, can be hey, it's
my ball, stay away. And so I've said with Tatum,
I look at the Celtics as a great team, and
he's their most versatile talented player, but he's not always
their best player. And I'm not even sure if he's
their lead alpha. I think Jalen Brown is. So last
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night it's a great example. Three Celtics were out Holiday
Porzingis and Jason Tatum and Peyton Pritchard scored forty three,
and Derek White scored forty one. That's what makes the
Celtics great. It's not Tatum. It's the team thing that
tells you a lot about the team. In the seventies,
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the Sonics were great. The leading scorer in their championship
year was Gus Williams nineteen a game. The Washington Bullets
at the time, they were called they were great. Their
best player in their championship season Elvin Hayes nineteen points
a game. Like the seventies, was about team construction, good coaching,
won B plus plus star right then Magic Dynasties, Bird Dynasty,
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Shack Dynasty, Kobe Dynasty, Lebron Steph, KD MJ. Then it
was the Dynasties taken over the NBA Duncan. It was
unbelievably other worldly all time talents. You know, guys that
are on the all time starting five, first, second, third team.
What the Celtics are is seventies basketball. Now, they may
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be the best constructed team ever, but this is not
a star driven team. Last night it's a great example.
In fact, think about this, when Yokich misses a game,
the Denver Nuggets are ten points less of a team
and they're like under five hundred. When Steph misses a game,
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Warriors are seven points less of a team. I looked
it up this morning. Here's another one. When Jannis is
out the Bucks five hundred team seven points less as
a team. When Jason Tatum is out the last two years,
the Celtics are not only ten and two, they're eight
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points better without him. So you're trying to tell me
he's Steph. You're trying to tell me he's a Jannis.
You're trying to tell me he's Jokic. The team's eight
points better when he leaves. In fact, last night it's
the first time in Celtics history two guys scored forty
plus points. Tatum and Brown have never done it. So
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it's like telling me brock Purty should be paid like
Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Mahomes. Jason Tatum's
really good. But the story last night is what they
are there. They are a master class in roster construction
because Danny Ainge is a personnel savant and so is
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Brad Stevens. Back to back brilliant GMS Howie Roseman level aggressive,
smart risk taker. Stevens is brilliant. He's too smart for
college basketball probably, and Danny Age is brilliant. How many
teams has he taken to showers over the years. And
they've constructed I mean, it's like they beat the NBA Apron,
like they have a cheat code. They have more good
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players than everybody. I mean, Peyton Pritchard dropping forty three,
the hell's going on. No other team's got a guy
like Peyton Pritchard gonna win sixth Man of the Year
dropping forty three in the Stars out, so Holidays out,
Porzingis is out, Tatum's out. They got two other guys
that can go forty plus. So it's not a criticism.
They're like the seventies team. They're not shacking Kobe. They're
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not Stephan KD. They're not MJ and Pippin. I mean,
they're not even Duncan Parker and manob Menu Genobli. They
are the greatest roster constructed team with the most depth
arguably ever. If in the seventies, they would have been
the team that won a second or a third title.
But they're not beating Shaq and Kobe. They're not beating
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Michael lin Scotti or Kat and Steph. That's not what
they are and so I just thought it was great
last night that I've been saying this on and on.
You are trying to get me to put Tatum in
this group with Jokic and Staff and KD and Lebron
and the numbers Ted and Tooney didn't play. This is
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the best nineteen seventies basketball team in the planet. They
just play in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five,
and I think they will beat Cleveland in the Eastern
Conference Finals and that will be the NBA Finals. The
two best teams are Cleveland and Boston. Cleveland is a load,
but I think Boston. What they did last night is
I don't think Cleveland can do that regularly. If Donovan
Mitchell's out, it's not the same team. Tatum's out eight
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points better. And so that don't confuse contextualization and hate.
I love Tatum. He's one of those guys. He'd make
every team in the league. He's a tremendous player. I
think he's closer to like Klay Thompson. Now he's better
than Klay Thompson. When Klay Thompson was the best two
guard in the league. I had said at the time,
he's the only player in the NBA, you could put
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on every team and it wouldn't affect the team. It
would just make him better. If you put Lebron, who's
a better player than Clay Thompson, if you put Lebron
on every single team, it would screw up some teams
because he and his prime was the ecosystem for every offense.
You could just put Klay Thompson on any team in
the league and be like, yep, we got the best
catch and shoot guy, best number two defender in the league.
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And so I think that's Jason Tate. I think Jason
Tatum is actually closer to Clay and his prime than
Steph and his prime. And I think, and you'd think
that's a Clay Thompson's a Hall of Famer. Now, I
think Tatum's better than Klay Thompson. But Clay fits everywhere.
Tatum fits everywhere. But when Clay Thompson took the night off,
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Warriors were fine. Steph takes the night off sub five hundred,
it's different. Joe Mizzoula on Derek White and Peyton Pritchard
lighting up the world last night, they were tremendous.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I mean, I think with guys out and playing against
a really good Portland team and we're go need to
have guys step up. And the way those two players
just shows a lot about who they are. You know,
they do a lot of the dirty stuff when we're
fully healthy, they do a lot of the things, and
you know, for the team, and to have a night
like this where those two can show what they're capable
of was big for us. So you know, we're lucky
to have him and it was a lot of fun
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to watch him do that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
By the way, before you bang on that Klay Thompson reference,
Klay Thompson was a top five or six defender in
the league and the best catch and shoo guy in
the league. And it's gonna be a first ballot Hall
of Famer. So don't give me this. Jason Tatum is
better than Klay Thompson. He is. Klay Thompson. His prime
was unbelievable. It was honable. That's I mean, when you
get a nickname as a back court Splash brothers when
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you're considered better than Jerry West and Gail Goodrich. Yeah, yeah,
Clay Thompson was unbelievable in his prime. He can still
drop twenty four on any given night. Okay, so this
happened yesterday. DK Metcalf wants to be traded. J Mack
hit on this a year and a half ago. Got
to even credit. He said, we're in a you heard
a housing bubble. He said, We're at a wide receiver bubble.
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We're paying these guys too much and it's really interesting.
So right now DK Metcalf is thirty one million dollars
against the cap, and I know he's good, but I
was thinking about this driving to work this morning. Jamar
Chase wants forty million dollars a year. Jamar Chase played
last year and with Joe Burrow they couldn't make the playoffs.
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Justin Jefferson's the best receiver in league history. Through five years,
He's never won a playoff game. The Eagles won the
Super Bowl. Jalen Hirsch threw for eighteen regular season touchdown passes.
Until this Super Bowl. The Chiefs had dominated the league
recycling wide receivers. The Bills got better without Stefan Diggs.
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The only time the Patriots and Brady had a great
receiver like an all timer was Randy Moss. Didn't win
a Super Bowl the last three seasons. NFL touchdown. Wide
receiver leaders have a single playoff win. So it's not
that I don't like receivers, but I'm going to talk
about something that never gets discussed. In fact, I've never
seen this discust even online. I'm sure it has been
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what I like about wide receivers. Do they move that?
Do they get first downs? Edelman with Brady, Amaran Saint
Brown with Golf Puco with Stafford Kittled with Brock Purdy,
Dallas Goddard with Philadelphia. They move the chains. I've said
this about the deep threat receiver. He's the convertible sports
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car of the NFL. Useless. Flashy fun talked about useless
December January. So Omaran Saint Brown has seventy three catches
that resulted in first downs. That's what I want. Brought
Bowers as a rookie tight end and the Raiders were
bad at quarterback had sixty one catches that resulted in
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first downs. DK Metcalf had thirty five and was also
the most penalized receiver since he entered the league. So
half the time because of tantrums, he's pulling you back
to first and thirty or first and twenty. So it's
not that they don't like him, But Jim Harbaugh's courer.
Everybody's like DK Metcalf Chargers. If you go look at
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Jim Harbaugh's career, he doesn't have dominant number one receivers.
Jim Harbaugh has coached in six either conference championships in
college or conference championships in the NFL. That's a lot six.
Who's his dominant number one receiver. That's not who he is.
So I don't think this is a fit to the Chargers.
I really don't. They moved off Bosi yesterday. They're gonna
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draft an end rusher. I think of hardball, I think
of toughness. I think of O line, D line. I
think of physicality. I think of risk taking. I don't
think wide receiver. But it's not that I don't like
DK Metcalf, but he is the most penalized receiver since
he entered the league, and he doesn't get enough first downs.
I like Goddard and Kittle and Puka, and who I
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really love is Amaran Saint Brown. Seventy three catches are
first downs. I don't need four to two speed. That's
awesome at the combine, I don't need it. When he
was in his prime, Cooper Cup was a first down.
You go to that Matt Stafford run to win the
Super Bowl. Cooper Cup was a first down. That's what
I'm into. Not forty million dollars a year, thirty one
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million dollar cap pits and really flashy and fast down
the field. End of the year. I need to move
the chains. I'm not getting sixty five yard rainbows, all right.
J Mac had a big piece of meat last night,
steak house night.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Is it not settling well in your stomach? Is that
why you're you know, going after Jason jam best team
in the NBA, defending champions, first Team Owl, NBA lock
again and he's just just trashing him.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
No, I'd like to say, once again, you didn't hear
the compliment that the Boston Celtics are the nineteen seventies NBA.
They're just better than all those teams. I go back
to those Washington bullet teams, unselled Bobby Dandrich, Phil Scheneer,
Kevin Greevy, Elvin Hayes. They were out. I can name
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the Sonics roster, the Blazers rosters, but they were all
They had one really good player. Bill Walton was great
before the injuries, but it was mostly roster construction. And
then all of a sudden, Magic and Bird changed it.
Then we became the dynasty League. People are in to
have a dynasty league, you have to have a superstar.
Last night, Tatum's out. They're now ten and two without him.
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There is no other superstar in league history that leaves
and the organization wins.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
More.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's roster construction. The star is Brad Stevens and Nanny Inge.
Those are the stars of the They even changed coaches,
they literally changed coaches, no effect.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, I wonder how Tatum keeps getting selected First Team
All NBA. Like honestly, that means he's top two at
his position forward in the league in an arrow with
Lebron and KD.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And like you know, Yannis and Luca. Something. Something's giving him.
Tatum a lot of props.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
By the way, Klay Thompson made a lot of made
a lot of lists.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
He did.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, okay, he was good.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Who was awesome?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Prome two way player? Awesome? Great? He was the best
two guard two way two guard in the league for
eight years, number two at least three or four? Yeah, well,
I mean who was the second best?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
The Wade it was when Wave kind of phased out
and Clay took over.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
For about seven years, he was the best guy in
the league at his position. That fit everywhere. That's what
Tatum is. Tatum is a great He can he can score,
he can defend. He's a good guy. You know. The
other thing is stars at some point are are they
just take the ball and say talk to the hand.
I mean, that's what they do that. I think Tatum
sometimes is too nice and it's a great quality as
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a human. It's not necessarily a great quality to be
a basketball superstar.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Nice guys still finished last or is that like an
antion thing.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, that's a nice guys do fine, do they? But
but they're not as good as Shack.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I think you gotta be a kind of well I
because sometimes.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You have to be selfish. Sometimes it's like, it's my ball,
it's my team, Marcus Smart. Let's just know you gotta
talk to him in the huddle. You will not touch
the ball for four minutes. I need the ball. And
by the way, that that's what you have to say.
That's just what you have to But that's not what
the Celtics are. I mean, good God, Holiday Tatum Porzingis out,
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Peyton Pritchard, he's good.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Man might be the second best contract in the league
after Austin Reeves.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They got a couple of them. Celtics have them. Derek White,
he was from about three years Man.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
They got a great team.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
No it is, it isn't all now. I would argue
it's an all time The Celtics aren't good. It's an
all time roster construction team. I mean the Heatles didn't
have a center and a good point guard. They had
three great players. Yeah, they were totally.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Lobsided minimum contracts everywhere.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean it was I mean the Lakers, it was Shaq, Kobe,
you know, then some d fish. But there was holes.
There are no holes on the Celtics. There are none.
They defend the rim, the perimeter, they can defend on ball.
They have no blemishes. Tatum's gone, They're ten and two.
That is an all time roster we're looking at right
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now in the NBA. All right, Diana Russini top of
next hour. Chris Brusard stopping by as well. Oh, I
got I got I got more. Steph Curry Love more
Steph Curry Love.
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Speaker 1 (16:23):
You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great Rates None of the bull. By the way, somebody
just sent me. A friend inside the company sent me
a text about this Celtic. I'm calling the Celtics the
greatest roster construction. I've ever seen the fact that Tatum,
Drew Haliday and porsingis can be gone, and Derek White
and Pritchard last night both drop over forty. It's in
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that's that nobody could do that.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
The Pistons, somebody sent me this. The all four Pistons
that beat the Lakers similarly did not have a superstar,
although it was Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace and Chauncey
billups a Tayshaun Prince. I think the Celics are a
better version of that, a much better offense. That Rip
Hamilton was on that team as well. I think this
team's better, But I would say this Celtics, those Pistons,
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you know, the Sonics, the Blazers, the Washington Bullets. At
the time, it's just incredible. And the other thing is
people say, well, how come he always makes all NBA.
Remember the NBA came out with that sixty five game
minimum to make awards. Tatum always plays sixty five games.
You know, like sometimes is Lebron going to do that?
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Is Ad going to do that? Is Yanni's going to
do that? Is is Luca going to do that? So
Tatum's going to make the lists. That doesn't necessarily mean
anybody thinks he's Jokic. But if you go look at Jokic,
Stephen Giannis and Lebron when they're off, the team is
noticeably worse. This team's ten and two without Tatum and
scores eight more points a game. It shows you how
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unbelievably historic the Celtics roster is. I mean, I think
Cleveland could win the championship in almost any other year
in the last seven or eight. I just don't think
they'll get through Boston. So I know Celtic fans think
this is hate. It's like, no, this is the greatest
non superstar team ever. You just keep telling me Tatum's
a superstar, and I'm just telling you he's a star.
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He and Jalen Brown are Tatum's better. It's close. So
I love this the other day, Shack came on after
Steph went into the garden and uh, you know, rocked
another one. Just a great night, and Shaq came on
the air and giving the ultimate respect to Steph Curry.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I demand you, fans and start putting Steph Curry in
that greatest of all time conversation. Just just start putting
them in a conversation with the conversation Kobe, and start
putting stuff in that conversation. I demand it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Why does the Big Man Alliance need to say something.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Because I am the supreme leader in manvoyce counts. Listen,
I played against Mike, played with Kobe, played against An
with Lebron. All great, but you go, at some point
we're gonna have to put Steph Curry in that category.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I think the greatest compliment about Steph Curry that I
could pay him is, I think you have to consider
replacing Magic Johnson on the all time starting five. I'm
not saying you do it, you gotta consider it. Now.
We all know Kareem, Lebron, and mj those are etched
in stone. Kareem most unstoppable shot, Michael the most relentless,
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greatest player, and Lebron the greatest Swiss army knife. We
can argue about forwards, Duncan Bird, whatever you want, but
we have three etched in stone. I always thought it
was four. I always thought Magic was etched in stone.
But if you look one of the reasons that Lebron
and you know it would wear well because Lebron would
be good fifty years ago, good, ten years ago, good today,
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good twenty years ago. Lebron's everything. I don't think Magic
he would be great today, but I don't think his
game ages as well. I think Larry Bird's game ages
better than Magic's because of the three ball. I think
Larry Bird today would be I mean, what would he be.
He would be Luca. I mean he would be Luca
in better shape. That would be Larry Bird. He would
be unbelievable past, unbelievable score, not a great defender, but
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he'd be Luke in better shape. You couldn't stop him.
He'd score whatever you want. He would score forty points regularly.
He could score fifty if you wanted to. Bird ages
very well. Magic's not a shooter and it's a shooters league.
That's why I don't like the Houston Rockets in the playoffs.
They can't shoot. I don't want to hear about their athletes.
They can't shoot. And so but if you've never seen
Steph play, he'd never seen him play. Here is think
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about this. This is how you would describe his game.
He scores faster than any human being ever. Like remember
when Reggie Miller got like eight points and nine seconds.
That's Steph's entire career. He scores faster than anybody. So
he changed. I mean, Magic Johnson may have saved the NBA,
but Steph Curry revolutionized not only the NBA, international, high school,
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AU and college basketball. Here's Steve Kerr talking about his
best player.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Steph is the most unique superstar of all time. The
way he impacts the game is different. And so when
you have these conversations about who's the greatest ever, you know,
you automatically go to these uh you know his genetic marvels.
You know Lebron and UH and Michael Jordan and you
know will Chang on whoever else. Steph doesn't fit that
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normal mode. So I love that Shaq is bringing that
up because from a skill standpoint, it's not even close.
He's he is the greatest ever. From a skills standpoint.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, and I just love that he's enduring and that
he just he was sort of on a treadmill to nowhere.
They gave him Jimmy Butler. He has just said, I'm
my average, I'm I'm gonna take I'm gonna take one
more shot a game and average six and a half
more points a game since Jimmy Butler, Rye. That tells
you he just needed he needed a push, he needed
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a buddy to show off to, and he's back to
being all time stuff.
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Speaker 1 (23:00):
Cano and Rich, Oh welcome in kind of Excited to
watch on TV. J Mack will be watching live Nick
Lakers tonight. Lakers start a very tough, tough, tough like
seven game stretch.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Austin Reeves, Mago, karl Ane Towon's expected back Lakers first quarters,
the Lakers minus one.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You gonna hit that? No, it feels like a trap
because you've.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Bet a lot more basketball than I do.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
College hoops last night, nice little two and one? Yeah,
had ole miss.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
How about this? Keeping your eye? You know what I
want for a final four in college basketball? Duke better there,
Tom Izzoh Michigan State is Oh Muchigan State's good.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I'm on Iowa to night.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Okay, Michigan State's good. I want Tom Izzo, Rick Mattino,
Duke and Cooper Flag and then the best SEC team.
If that's the final four, I would vote for it. Now.
Michigan State, this is a really good team.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
They got some good dudes.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But if I get Izzo and Rick Bettino, two fiery guys.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
You like Patino because of the white suits, No.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I just I think Rick is intense. Izzo's intense. I
like these old school you know, get in your face,
get in the player's face, get in the officials face.
I love Izzo, I love Fatino, and they're great coaches.
And then give me Duke and Cooper Flag, the best
player easily in college basketball. Then give me Auburn.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Do you need more of that fire from me? Or
am I like?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
No, you're doing okay, demeanor. I don't need a white suit. No,
you're doing fine. But I do think that you remember
the NBA Draft. This year is very domestic. It's Rutgers guys,
it's Duke guys. It's a like last year. I've never
seen anybody play this year. It's like the WNBA draft,
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like you're gonna see domestic players that you watch big
ten sec. I think Auburn's the best team i've seen.
Bruce Pearl's excellent. I think I think that's a great team.
But if you can give me Cooper Flag, I mean,
Duke's got like three NBA dudes, at least three.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
By the way, you mentioned WNBA.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Did you see Caitlin Clark's team got like a a
bunch of good players in the offseason. I know you're
not monitoring WNBA, but Caitlin Clark and I did, I
want the fever. They got some good players. They are,
They're gonna be a problem this year. Would not be
surprised if they make a run to the finals.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Caitlyn Clark, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
For you too. I don't know you and I talked
about this. We are in the content business. Caitlin Clark
gives us fifteen segments in July and August. We are
pro Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese WNBA. We're looking for segments
in August. I can't talk Steeler quarterback situations. I mean
I got I went Kenny Pickett August once. That was
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a rough that was a rough summary with that. Diana Russini,
the Athletic senior NFL Insider, also got a cool podcast
out there, breaking news all the time. All right, why
don't you give your podcast a plug?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Give it up, Give it up, plug Let America Hero,
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
How about you?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
All right?
Speaker 10 (25:50):
I got it twice a week podcast.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
We're gonna have a big show on Monday to start
a free agencies called Scoop City.
Speaker 10 (25:57):
You can get it anywhere.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
On Spotify, Apple, iTunes, anywhere at the Athletic you can
click and find it. And it's essentially me and Chase Daniel,
a fourteen year veteran, and it's me and him. I
give him all the intel and then he tells me
what the real deal is based off the information I
tell him. It's a quick listen forty five minutes. You
can run errands, get get the things done around your
house and pretty much listen to one show and know
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everything you need to know.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
About the league.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
All right, there you go, and it's good.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Wow, thank you. I was not ready for that. Did
I do all right? Selling it?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You did a great job. So DK Metcalf middle of
our show yesterday. I like him, but I've said this before.
It could be AJ Brown DK Metcalf. It is the position,
for whatever reasons, that tends to be the most verbal,
and sometimes that can be verbal slash disruptive. I don't
think DK Metcalf is disruptive, but last year thirty five
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catches were first downs armor on Saint round double. He
also gets penalized a lot, leads the league in penalty
yards as a receiver since he entered it. A lot
of that's temperamental would move off him. But he's thirty
one million. I think maybe you get a second or
third round pick. Just give me the backstory on this.
John Snyder has been great at drafting wide receivers, so
they'll be fine. But give me the DK market story.
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What are you hearing?
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Yeah, so right now, teams that are interested in DK,
they've reached out to Seattle and they're being told right
now that the compensation they're looking for is a first
and third in exchange for the wide receiver.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
So that is very, very high.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Let's just go back to the Aj Brown trade between
the Tennessee Titans and the Philadelphia Eagles, right, That's basically
what we're talking about here, and I think we can
all fairly say they are not the same player, and
obviously a few years have gone by since then. So look,
a lot of teams that I've talked to around the
league that definitely had their eye on Seattle over the
last few weeks, knowing that they could possibly be moving on.
Speaker 10 (27:54):
Just feel that that price is just it's too high. Yeah,
So I'm I'm.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Going to predict that's going to change here soon as
they're testing out the market to see, like, all right,
we try to get our best, but that's probably gonna
be too much. DK wants a new deal. He wants
about thirty million a year. And I do agree with
you on how you are categorizing receivers in football. They
are loud, and they tend to be the ones with
the most personality and sometimes the ones.
Speaker 10 (28:20):
Causing the biggest headaches.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
But when you look at a player like DK, he's
still a big guy.
Speaker 10 (28:26):
He's really good off the ball.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
He obviously he's come up with some really big catches,
And when you're taking a look at just this free
agent market of wide receivers, it's not great. So I
can see why there are teams poking around to try
to see if they can get Seattle to move off
this number here, at least off a first round pick
in exchange. Knowing that, Look, he could go to a
team and quickly make a difference. But I do think
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he's going to need a team with a strong head coach.
I was told he wants to go to a warm
weather organization. Think that cuts it down to some of
the teams here that we're talking about that would be interested.
Speaker 10 (29:05):
And then you too.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
I mean, Colin, just look around the league. Every team
that needs a receiver right now, you know what comes
to mind. The Panthers, Jacksonville, the New England, Patriots, Houston,
the Chargers. For now, I can tell you none of
those teams are going to pay that price, none of them.
I've reached out to all of them. They're not going
to do it, but they certainly still have interest.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I thought an interesting story. I love what the Bears did.
This is what Washington did last year before Jayden and
Daniels took an NFL snap, They went and got a
couple of interior linemen. And this is what the Bears did.
Jonah Jackson, I get the Rams moving off that, but
he's got a lot of experience. I was surprised, considering
that Mahomes was in peril and running for his life
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in big games last year that they moved off Joe Tooney,
who did one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
They've took a guard, put him at left tackle and
was actually excellent. What we know, the Bears probably did
a really good thing here what happened in Kansas City? Like,
I guess, why do they move off him?
Speaker 10 (30:09):
No, it's a great point you make.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
I reported right after the Super Bowl after talking with
some people in Kansas City after their loss, Like, make
no mistake, Brett Veach is going to fix this. This
is going to be priority number one protecting Patrick Mahomes.
This looked exactly the way he did in Tampa. We
saw what he did then and here in this situation,
whenever I see them move off a player that I believe,
just from my own eyes, contribute so much more than
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just what we're seeing on the field, what it says
to me is we're making moves for someone else. We've
got our eye on someone that we think is either younger, cheaper,
and I can tell you they've got a plan because
Kansas City tends to do that and which is why
they have so much success. So well, I think it's
difficult for them to walk away from a player like
this who has brought so much success to them and
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has been part of the fabric of this team.
Speaker 10 (30:56):
I think in.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Their minds there are players that they can bring in
here and immediately have a good impact here. And then
obviously on the other side of this for Chicago, I mean,
come on, Ben Johnson's just doing what he saw in
Detroit and what he did in Detroit. Get some protection
and I can run whatever the heck I want to run.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
Right, So he's going to be able to do that
and address it.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
And look, we can just keep going back to the
Super Bowl as just like the perfect example of how
you want to build a team. Credit to Howie Roseman
and the coaching by Nick Surianni in that game. Right,
the way they built that team, that championship roster is
how a lot of teams are trying to replicate. And
as not a secret, we've all known that that's the
way to do it, except I think this team truly
highlighted that importance.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Okay, so it's not a good free agent quarterback market.
It's not a good quarterback college market, So Sam Darnold,
it would seem to me would have a pretty viable market.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I said this the other day Josh Allen was MVP.
I watched them go nine for thirty against Houston. I
watched him be awful against the Colts. Great quarterbacks have
awful games. If the production is down, you're on the road.
I mean, Donald at Detroit it felt like the biggest
game in Detroit in a decade. But were those last
two games, the one against the Rams where he was
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running for his life and the game against Detroit where
he just didn't play well? Are those going to eliminate
the first fourteen games Because it doesn't feel like there's
a huge Donald market.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
I know it's it's peculiar. And I've had conversations with
people that are desperate for quarterbacks right now. And there's
something about the way he lost those two games that
is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of
these decision makers.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
And I do think it's layered.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Okay, I think part of it is there's an attitude
of CEE, we told you Donald isn't that good.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
That was just lightning the bottle.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
Things just lined up right, you know, they were winning
in certain games because of certain situations. This isn't the
real Sam Donald. We're just getting the best version of
him in this moment. This isn't the true Okay, So
you have that. Then you have another layer to this
where people believe that Kevin O'Connell is the best coach
for Sam Donald. So if you're a coach who, let's says,
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on a short lease leash and you're selling to your
owner and your GM like let's go get Sam, I
can do it, there may be some hesitance there. Can
you get the same Sam Donald that Kevin O'Connell was
able to get? You know, this idea that no one
truly knows who Sam Donald is. I feel like has
been following him his entire career, going back to when
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he was throwing at SC and I had people on
the ground telling me Sam Donald is going to be
the next big thing. And those same people that I
would stay in touch with over the years when Sam
was struggling, would would be so frustrated because they would
be like, you don't understand, he's good. This just these
aren't the right programs for him. And so in Minnesota
it's the best program for him. Which is why I
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think there's gonna be an effort made from both Donald's
camp and from the Vikings camp to try to make
something work here.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
But come you're right. I talked to you at the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
I think one of the things I shared with you
is I was really expecting Sam's market to be in
the forties. I do not predict it to be that.
I think it's going to be less than that. I
think it's going to be in the low thirties, possibly
maybe even high twenties, if Minnesota can get the kind
of deal that they want to get. But it is
certainly changed considering last week we were chasing the Matthew
Stafford story like a bunch of lunatics, knowing that these
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teams were so desperate to get Stafford in the building,
being the Vegas Raiders the New York Giants, they are
not going aggressively hard at Sam Donald the way they
were going after Matthew Stafford, understandably.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
You know, it's the same thing with movies. Great movie, lowsy,
twelve minutes at the end, you think it's a bad movie.
Donald had a lowsy couple of games, and it's just like,
you know, Josh Alan had a bad game. It's against Houston.
Nobody remembers it, and that's just the way it is. Sometimes.
Timing is everything now, So I would argue on the
behalf of Aaron Rodgers, who I have been critical of before.
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So when they fired Ebert Saw in New York, they
lost their best coach. In my opinion, I think Soligan coach.
I'd give him another chance at the head coaching job.
Jets a mess, and I thought they had a very
weak staff that point forward, and yet in the last
ten games, without great protection, Aaron was pretty good. So again,
like Darnold, I think the pendulum has swung too far
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on Aaron Rodgers. If I was the Raiders, I would
take him today. I don't get this it appears now.
Is this an Aaron thing? You can't his last ten
games he almost had one hundred quarterback rating and it
was a suboptimal staff. So what's going on with Aaron?
Speaker 8 (35:39):
What's going on with us? Why are we starting to agree?
I need to go on Nick Wright's show. I need
to fight with someone a debate. We're in line too.
What does that say about my life right now? That
I'm in line with you? On all this stuff because
I agree. I just was talking about it on my
podcast that you know, my co host chased, how do
you think Giants fans should feel about the idea of
Aaron Rodgers playing for the Giants?
Speaker 10 (35:58):
And I said they should feel the way the Jets
fans felt.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
Two years ago, optimistic, because I can tell you I've
spoken to enough people around the league who believe that
Aaron Rodgers still has something left in the tank and
it's decent. And put him in the right environment with
the right head coach who can be a little bit
more demanding and hold him to the same type of
rules and standards and the way they wanted to run,
you know, treat him like everyone else. I think we
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can get that they could squeeze a little bit of
the of the juice out of them. It's just going
to be where is he going to flourish best? The
Rams situation was so ideal, Colin, and I really I
thought that I.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Thought it was gonna happen.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
At one point when I was in Indianapolis at the
Scouting con my last week, I said that this is
this is really gonna happen. Matthew Safford's gonna leave and
Rogers is going to go there. But in the end,
obviously Stafford decided to stick with Sean McVay for another year,
and the Raiders are going to poke around. Here's what
I can tell you when when we're like lining teams
up with veteran quarterbacks, every team that needs a quarterback
(37:00):
right now has a line out to every single available
veteran quarterback at this moment, because right now, no one
can read the landscape well because we don't know who's
going where. You know, the idea of Daniel Jones going
to India's on the table. Could he possibly go to Vegas?
Right chick Kelly, you know he's going to want a
mobile quarterback. Could could justin Fields leave Pittsburgh. Perhaps he
(37:24):
can wind up in Vegas. Maybe the Russell Wilson thing
could perhaps turn into him going to Las Vegas. All
of this is on the table, and the teams are
being really open about it.
Speaker 10 (37:34):
No one's being coy like we got our eye on
just one guy.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Everyone is saying the same things, which we've got to
reach out to everyone because we have no idea how
this is going to shake.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Diana Russini as oh was absolute money. It is great
seeing you. You and Chase are great on Scoop City,
and thank you again for stopping Buy
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