March 11, 2025 • 32 mins
Colin talks to 3-time National Champion Urban Meyer about the upcoming NFL draft and changes to the College Football Playoff
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, there's a lot of talk about the college football
CFP format and what they're going to do with it,
and some proposals I'll talk to urban. I will say
this about the college football media. You want automatic qualifiers.
A every other sport in the world has them. It's
easier for the fans to follow. You want automatic qualifiers.
That's obvious. And another reason you want them is because
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if you're the college football is carried by ten to
twelve programs, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Bama. You know
your big schools. You want them knowing that if they
win their conference or a vision, they get an automatic qualifier.
They're more willing to face big out of conference games,
and college football has always hit a problem. Since I
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was a kid, it's always had a big game problem
out of conference. So I am four automatic qualifiers. Urban
Meyer is now joining US seventeen seasons three national championships.
So there's a lot of stuff with CFP getting bandied
about and talking about what what are you hearing? What
are you hearing on the proposals for the College Football Playoff?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, I've actually done a little research on this and
I a friend of mine called me and said, hey,
I want to talk to you about this, and so
I said, okay. And it's a four four two two
one one yeah. Format, Yeah, it's I know it's out
there a little bit, but I did a little diving
into it, and of all the ones I've heard, it
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makes sense. It's a fourteen playoff. Now there's going to
be a big caveat and then that's going to be
the big twelve. An acc or are going to be
pissed on this thing. So or they might, they might not.
I don't know. It's big ten SEC has four yeah qualifiers.
But but here's the best thing. It takes it out
of selection and more into access. So the selection committee
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is going to be wrong. You know. It's an imperfect system.
It's been that way since the BCS, which we're part of.
That No. Six to the college football Playoff. Ohio State
was part of that in fourteen. The twelve team playoff
last year, there were some you know one r the mistakes,
who knows, But I like the idea you play into
it and then that way. There's two things that I
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love about it. Number one is it does not penalize you.
If I'm a coach in the current model, I am
not playing a tough team in the early part of
the I'm not doing that. That's going to hurt my team.
You get judged on the playoff, and that's it. If
you go on the conferences, handle the access. The Big
Ten gets four, you're certainly your guard. Right, I'm going
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to play Texas because to challenge my team. It's great
for recruiting, it's great for our fans, it's great for
the game of football. And it won't not penalize me.
If I still win the Big Ten, I'm the number
one seat.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So you and I agree, I'm a And the other
thing is I don't have So the four to four
would be SEC Big Ten, the two to two would
be the ACC and the Big twelve. And in my
takeaway is on that, well, that's obvious, like you have
to start pretending stuff doesn't exist. If you look at
the money the SEC has and the money the Big
Ten and the addition of Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Oregon, let's
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let's stop arguing about it. Those are easily the best conferences.
I would argue last year there were times the fifth
best team in the Big Ten. I was like, I
don't know if that because I think Misi, Michigan is
going to be better. I think Washington and USC are
going to be better. I think the fifth place team
in the I mean, you could have a Nebraska be
the fifth best team in the Big Ten this year
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and like be a team that can go in a
major bowl game. So I'm with you on that. Now,
do you think that's going to happen? Because I think
it's the right way too. Do you think that happens?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Let me throw in another little area that I thought.
When I heard this one, I was like, I'm all in.
It's a play in for the third fourth spots in
the Big Ten, a play in for the third fourth
spots in the SEC, and a play in for the
second or play in obviously for the ACC and the
Big twelve. And here's what I mean by playing three
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play six, four place five, the winner of that game
on that weekend, Well, now you're going to have the
Big Ten championship game and two playoff playing games that
will determine your four teams. So a sixth place Big
Ten team has a good day, they're in a playoff.
So you look at Minnesota, you look at Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, Washington, USC, UCLA,
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all those teams at the end of the year. Whoever's
fifth and six are still swinging at the end of
the year, and I just think it's great. It's great
for the game.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yet more big games that matter. And that's what separates
the NFL from college is every weekend you've got six
or eight games that are fantastic. I gotta ask you.
I want to ask you about some of these prospects
because you saw him and you know them, so you know,
there's always been this feeling about tight ends. Yeah, you know,
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they don't. It takes a while for a tight end
in college to go to the pros because they ask
you to block. So Colston Loveland and the kid Tyler
Warren are the two best tight ends in the country.
They're both Big Ten guys. Do they feel like first
round tight ends to you.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
For sure. Tyler Warren, I think was other than Jeremiah Smith,
you know, the od obvious. He's maybe the best player
in the last decade in college football. Tyler Warren. If
I'm an NFL coach drafting, I'm getting them on my
team somehow. I would trade for him. I mean he
is was a quarterback in high school. He can throw
what he did during games. He can take a direct snap.
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I met the guy and we covered him a lot.
I'm finding a way, So I think he's NFL ready.
Colston Loveland, I think is a little bit behind Tyler Warren. Yeah,
but he'll be a late first, early second I predict.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, Michigan has a history of having good tight ends.
Loveland is listen, Brock Powers is the best tight end
prospect I've ever seen. And I think people look at
these guys and go, oh, he's not Brock Powers, and
it's like, folks, that's a whole different ballgame. That kid
is that don't compare anybody to Brock Powers. So I
agree with you that's true. Now you had Ashton Genty,
so I'm gonna throw this at you. I think the
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North Carolina back is as good or better. I think
he's that good. You saw gent play. Here's my thing
the draft. The one position in this draft that is stacked.
Ohio State's got a couple is running back. It is
a stacked running back draft. So my take is, when
you watch Ashton genty, is he good enough to take
in the first round knowing I can get eighty percent
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of that in the second, third, and fourth or do
you think he is a transformational player?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I again just talking to some guys involved in the
NFL drafts. So Saquon Barkley, the running back is officially
back in the NFL. Yeah, and you know it disappeared
for a while. I was shocked when Zeke Elliott, when
they weren't paying Zeke what he was worth, and JK
Dobbins they were letting him go. Then all of a suden,
Saquon Barkley, they let the guy go, and now all
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of a sudden, he's carrying this you know, has a
big Super Bowl ring and he carried that team. So
I think absolutely, aston Jety, I don't think he's a
early pick. When I say earlier, I don't think he's
a top fifteenth pick. But I certainly think he's back
half of the first round. And once again, a year
ago or two years ago, no someone would have said,
I'm going to wait for the second or third round.
I think the run game will be coming back to
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the NFL with investment and running backs. And I think
you know the NFL in college, they're both cyclical. And
what happens is, how did you know, how did the
Eagles win the Super Bowl? How did they put it
all over the Chiefs because they ran the ball, they
stopped the run. They obviously played great defense, But when
you can control the line of scrimmage and run the football,
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I mean, that's the way we won championships. That's how
you win.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Let me ask you about So I'm going to tell
you I think this is the most underretted player in
the draft. He's going to go in the second round.
And I think we're talking about Cam and Schador Sanders
and I'm like, just keep your own on Kyle McCord.
He can spin it.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I think wow. I think he's now again. I don't
think he's a first round talent. He was at Ohio State,
he was very good. He went to Syracuse. His numbers
are insane. Am I reaching here? I tell you, I
watch a lot of this stuff YouTube clips. I'm like,
there's a second third round pick every year at quarterback,
every other year. What do you make of him?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, I know Kyle McCord well obviously covering him. I
know the guys that coached them very well. They love
the guy, very disappointed when he left. I think another
year under his belt at Ohio State. It might not
have been Syracuse type numbers because they had to share
the wealth a little bit. But I certainly think he's
in it. I don't man, you said first round, call it.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I said second, second round.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Okay, I could see second, maybe third, Yeah, but I
can see a guy playing in the NFL for eight
nine years.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Absolutely, Okay, yeah, yeah, it's a it is a week
quarterback draft in the NFL is quarterback desperate. So somebody
may reach mid second round. But I think there's talent
there now. Now, I like Schador Sanders. I love cams
talent and traits. I like Shador and the the reason
I like him is he had no run game and
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allows the O line, so he has had to initiate
offense his whole life. And I think, as you know,
in the NFL, when you go to a top seven
or eight team. That's your reality battle line. You gotta
make plays. What would concern you about Shadoor Sanders?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Again, I did a little research because our Big New
Are Triple Option podcast is going to the draft that
I called a GM friend of mine, and he has
really slipped a little bit here. Yeah, And the reason
he's slipping is they're looking at the competition that he played.
I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, because
what I saw, I saw a guy that's ethnic enough
to get out of trouble, a live arm, stays alive,
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competes his butt off, and he's always on the run.
Because his offense line struggled certainly last year and this
year they're a little bit better the offense line in Colorado,
but not much so. But I understand there's a throughout
the NFL there's a concern about if he can make
the throw in the tight windows because in the Big
twelve Conference he didn't have to do that very much,
and he was You look at his big plays, a
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lot of them were on the run, and you know
that's that's not necessarily what if they're looking for in
the NFL, they want a guy that dropped back and
make that tight window throw. There's some question marks. If
he can do that.
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Speaker 1 (10:50):
Trevion Henderson running back at Ohio State. The other kid
is Quinn Shawn Judgkins. Judkins all Ohio States always got
talent at skill positions. These are two very very good
running backs. If I was drafting the two Ohio State
running backs, what do you like? What would worry you?
What do you make of him?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I don't know enough because about quin Shawn, you know,
he was you know, he was a backup this year.
I know he came and he was supposed to split time,
but Travion was the back and traveon from his The
last two years of football was night and day. Because
up until the end of last year and then this year,
I would I was worried about him. I was worried
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about if he's you know, we used to call him
one hit back where he gets hit and he goes down.
That's not the case anymore. Uh. He developed into a
guy that can break tackles. He's always had elite speed,
but if he really studied him two years ago, he
got he got, he got whatever the offensive line gave him. Yeah,
that's no longer the case. He rips through tackles now,
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he's a much improved I don't know if it's strength training,
I don't know if it's confidence, but he developed into
a back that can make people miss and rip two tackles.
He was not that two years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, that tells me he's a worker.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
So I like that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That tells me he put in.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
The time in the gym. I'm all for that, right,
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I want to throw this at you one more guy.
I think there's an argument after Abdul Carter's just the
best pro prospect. I don't worry too much about the surgery.
I saw him eat alive tackles. Now he's just nobody
could block him. What do you make of him? I thought,
even against Ohio State, certain guys just pop and you're like,
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like Mason Grant, Will Johnson the corner for Michigan when
he was healthy. I'm like, Okay, that's a first round player.
What do you make of abdul Carter? The injury?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Would it worry you No, it would worry me. I
do I do. Everything worries you as you're starting to
invest that kind of money and that kind of capital
into a player. But whenever you look at a player,
you all say, and it's a little bit like high
school and a recruited kid, a player that comes from
a great high school, a Xavier in Cincinnati, and you
figure he's maximized. How much better can he get? Abdul
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Carter's only relatively new at that defensive end position. He's
I think he's still going into his body, So I
think there's as good as he is, there's still plenty
of upsides. So but I would argue that it'd be
hard for me to not take Travis Hunter with that
first pick. I just I love that guy. I think
he's a once in a generation, once in a lifetime player.
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He can do things that I've not seen people do.
His stamina, the quality of kid that I've done some
homework on him. We covered him a few times. He's big.
I want to say, he's close to sixty three. We
had him on our set with us and I was
shocked how big he is. So I think it's either
Travis Hunter or it's going to be abdul Carter.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
All right, would you like him to play corner and receiver?
Would you scale that back? Would you? I you know
I coaches probably want him to play receiver because you
can get the ball to him twelve times. What would
you do?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I would never say this other than that guy, I'd
play him both ways. I would train him. I mean,
I've never seen Colin. On the one hundred and sixtieth
play of the game, he's blocking guys twenty five thirty
yards downfield, and he at the end of the game
he's as strong. I know it's college, and I get
that I'm gonna I'm sure some people say it's college.
It's college. I get that, but I in my lifetime,
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I'm not seeing a guy do that. Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I still think you're shocked by my Kyle McCord take.
I think you're that just its unsettled you. You didn't
even know call me.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm not I did when you said first round, I
would have pumped the brakes a little bit, but certainly
second And what kind of person is the fact he
went he got a little arrogance to him, got a
little uh, went and showed what he can do on
his own So no, I you did shock me first,
but I'd say second or third.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, I'm just a clickbait guy, you know me. Okay,
finally we got I had Ryan day On by the way,
I had Ryan Dan last week. He was so emotional,
he was so good. I mean, the guy was just
so good for me. Hard to root against him. And
but you've won national championships. I only remember you not
liking one of your teams. It was a Florida team
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that went to a bowl game and too many of
the guys won. Yeah, you didn't like that team wore
you out most of the time.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
You left Constant Constanta.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, hey, you know that happens. Okay, so you win
a national champion, Chip Kelly leaves, you got nil guys
moving around, so it's a different world. But what is
the hardest part of coming back as a national champion?
Something that maybe I wouldn't figure out that you you
had to literally sit down with your staff and say, okay,
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we got to play some psychologists here, what's the hard parts?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And you put it on the players. I think it's
the staff, you know, I think the staff, and then
that leads to your players. Everybody changes in twenty and sixteen,
the Chicago Cubs won the World Series. Joe Madden's a
dear friend of mine. I went up to visit him
in spring of twenty seventeen. I'm sitting in his office.
He is absolutely miserable, and I believe they were in
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first place still. And he said, this team, they're hard
to coach, they're hard to be around. I'm just I'm
really struggling with his team. And he says he did
some homework in the NHL, NFL, Major League Baseball, NBA
college football, college basketball, how hard it is. The percentage
to repeat is very extremely low. I don't know the number.
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I want to say it's single digits. My own nine
team was better than the eight national champion Florida Gators.
My fifteen team, when I say better, more talented. My
fifteen team in Ohio State was more talented than the
fourteen Ohio State team, but we didn't win it. Why
Because it's different. It's just different. There's always issues there.
It just seems like when you're climbing the mountain, it
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takes energy and passion. When you're on top of the mountain,
it just you just taken arrows, so energy and passion
first taking arrows.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
By the way, what golf tournament, What cushy golf tournament
are you in today? By the way, you got another
one today.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I'm not I'm doing Colin Coward on our podcast, and
golf tournament starts up again tomorrow. Though.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's a you has quite a life you've carved out
for yourself. A little jealous, to be honest with you,
you could you could.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Invite me to one of those things occasionally, I wouldn't see.
You'll call if you work really hard someday. And I'm
just kidding. All was great to be with you, man.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That was great to see Urban Meyer. Thanks coach. Thanks, Yeah,
I agree with Urban I'm i I Big twelve can
get upset in the ACC. You've your lot four four
two two one one. I'm good with that. SEC Big
ten have separated. I mean, they were better before they
added Washington, Oregon, se UCLA. They were better before they
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added Texas Oklahoma. So like, let don't let's don't make arguments. Well,
the ACC what about it? I mean, Clemson can't figure
out the transfer portal. And I I watched that SMU,
I watched that game.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
How'd that look?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Not great?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So that Kyle McCord there that through them for a
little loopy Yeah. I got a lot of conn in
the Pro League, and I like to throw a little
curveball at Urban Live in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1 (19:28):
I'm fired up. I was talking to somebody in the
hallway today. Those Dodgers spring training tickets a hundred bucks.
I think about that. The Dodgers can charge more. They
have so many stars they can charge more for a
spring training game. Then many Major League Baseball teams will
charge for a regular season game. Well, I mean, when
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you got Freddy Freeman, Mookie Bets, I mean, if you
start looking at the Dodgers, I said it last year
from the top, I mean, you can go through the
entire lineup. It's one of the great lineups of all time.
I mean it's uh, it's good. And now this year
we get Otani pitching. Get you better, better save your
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Speaker 2 (20:17):
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Speaker 7 (20:20):
All right, Colin, Let's start with Saquon Barkley being the
best free agent edition last offseason, and it didn't take
long for Howie Roseman to reward him with the biggest
running back contract in the NFL. The narrative around free
agent running backs has changed in large part thanks to
Saquon Barkley, and he hopes younger backs feel the impact.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
I hope it does what it is supposed to do.
You know, every other position, the value increases each year.
For beach Onhn's the Gibbs, and.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I know Cook.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Cook is up to all those guys who are up
and able to get paid, and I hope they're hope
they beat it. That's kind of how I look at it.
I'm now one of those guys I don't care for,
you know, like, oh, is this guy get paid more
than me? I'm not like that's what the sport is about.
And no building the position up. You know, like I said,
all those young guys that's underneath me right now, when
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they get when there's a time, you know, hopefully they
be in a max val even more.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
No, I don't know, will there be a trickle down
like that? I'm not sure. Six one Special he was
a No.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I think it's a great running back draft class. I
saw the Cowboys. You see the Cowboys big move. We'll
talk about that here and yeah, so it's a it's
a Sean Payton nows. It's a good running back draft class.
You're not seeing a lot of running backs move in
the free agent market. Part of it is the draft
class is so good for running backs.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
But this is how bad the Giants with I just
saw that Darius Slayton got offered more money three for
thirty eight thirty eight million for three years.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Then the Giants were willing to offer Saquon Barkley last
year at this.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Time Darius Slayton because they're desperate with the Giants really
butcher decision they're not.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Joe Shane is fortunate that the mara is patient.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
We've got to stay of execution. But I don't see
him lasting after the season. Let's move on to the Chargers, Colin.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
They moved on from Joey Bosa, but decided to get
one more year out of Khalil Mack. Los Angeles keeps
Max for his twelfth NFL season. Boards at the Charger,
Max said he has unfinished business with the Chargers, but
Jay guys.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Means winning a playoff game. Maybe I don't know. He
knows the potential for the group.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I was told last year when Harbaugh arrived that the
Chargers that sort of identified Khalil Mack is the one
they would keep more of a team leader. They felt
he was good in the room, he was good for
the young players. Khalil Mack has been better than I
thought he would be for them. I thought he was
kind of tail end of his career. I think he's
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been great for them, and I think that I think, listen,
you have to make choices. Mike Williams, they liked him,
got hurt too much. They let him go. Keenan Allen injuries,
Bosa injuries, So Harball's having to make tough choices. But
I will what I've been told inside the building is
they really think Khalil Mack puts in the effort he
helps young players. He kind of galvanizes the room. Harball
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loves that. So he has been a really good player.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Yeah, I know if the Chargers have had a weirdly
quiet free agency so far, well they don't win the mix.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
For Davonte, Well, how did that happen?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, I think if you look at what they need,
I think they look at it and think I think
they kicked the tires on DK Metcalf, but the Steelers
overpaid him. They lost Palmer the wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So Omery he's like their number two or three receivers.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I wouldn't be shocked if the if the paid, if
the Chargers didn't go grab like a second tier receiver
here in the next day or two. But I think
they're going to draft wide receiver. I don't think it's
a dret wide receiver class. But I think if you
if I had to guess what the Chargers are going
to do, they're going to take a tight end Loveland
from Michigan with their first pick, that is my guess.
And then after that they're gonna go get another rush
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end to replace Bosa. Then they're gonna go back to
the wide receiver. Well, it'll be skilled players. They'll get
another running back as well.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
I just in a city where it isn't really Rams
versus Chargers, but it is a battle for relevant.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Rams are winning that because they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
To see the Rams get Devonte Adams and the Chargers
needing receiver not be in the mix a little depressing
if you're Charges.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But Harbaugh's history college and pro is He's never been
a guy that spends a lot of money on the perimeter.
He is tackles in so he loves tight ends because
they block and they're tough and physical. That's why he
loves Herbert. He's tough and he's physical. They could have
gotten Brian Thomas or a star receiver last year in
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the first round, they chose Notre Dame's tackle. Ryan Thomas
was excellent and by the way, Harball loved him. So
it came down to Joe Alter Brian Tom. I was
told Harball thought he was great. Their front office loved him.
But Harbaugh's that's not he's gonna do. I mean, when
he was in San Francisco, Michael Crabtree was a good receiver.
He was their guy. He won a Natty at Michigan.
They had like one big time receiver. They read. By
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the way, this is so Harball. They re signed Bradley
Boseman their center, great kid, you know, multi year deal.
So what does he care about? The big uglies? So
that that's just who Harbaugh is. It's worked for him
for the record. If you look at his brother with
the Ravens, what's the one position they've been wonky? Wide receiver.
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They've been good at tight end, O line, D line, linebacker,
corner A Ravens of bow has been a little hit
and miss on wide receiver. The culture of the Harbaugh's
beach up at the line of scrimmag Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Smart.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Speaking of ugly, you said the big uglies. How about
the Dallas Cowboys? Oh boy, it's been ugly and listen,
the audience.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Has to love it.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
We've haven't talk cowboys at all today. I don't know,
maybe not even yesterday. But Colin, they cleared Capa based
last week and they did it to get Javonte Williams.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Not bad, not be he No, he's a good get.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think they got it for three million dollars for
three and a.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Half million for one one year.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, Sean pon great running. Sean Payton lets him go
because Sean Payton's take is it's a great running back class.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Jerry doesn't see that.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well, no, but they're desperate. They have the worst running
back room in the league. So I like Javonte Willis.
I think the Cowboys will draft another running back. They
are so they have to. Oh god, they've got nothing there.
So I think Javonte Williams, it to me would be
a really good uh a week one, but a really good.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Job in Denver to unknown.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But listen for Dallas. If they don't draft for running back,
he's your starter.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
They got a draft one. They also added offensive guard
Rob Jones.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
What did they pay?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
He is on a one year deal four point seventy
five million. And they got, of course the long snapper,
which you made for.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh yeah, I love that move I got.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
If you're a Cowboys fan, you are just tipped off right.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Now, these moves, no non factors, nothing right.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I don't see it out. Good news is we want
have to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You know they're not gonna be so free agency is
official tomorrow. I think Thursday, I may do my first
you know, because I do. I do my division predictions
after free agency after coaching hires and free agency. I
do one, and then I do one after the draft,
because then you have your coaching hires, free agency draft.
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Then I wait through the summer and I do two
more the small tweaks. But I think I think Thursday
I will be able to have my first. You know,
last year we had a good year. We nailed the AFC.
So I think Thursday we're gonna say, okay, this is
this is what's gonna look like.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
NFC Thursday and AFC Friday are both of the one day.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's a good call.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'll do that. Because I'm working a full week this week.
I decided, you know what I'm gonna give the I'm
gonna give itn that for I'm not gonna mail in
Friday this week.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You mail in Friday last week. Kind of I couldn't tell.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I didn't get im so locked in I didn't. I
was like Luca, I played on one end, not the other,
and you can played a lot. So the officials, our
producer all right, J Mack with the news, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Who I was just looking at this highest paid running
backs in the league right now. They It was just
a couple of years ago people were freaking out nobody
pays running backs. That they're fine, They're gonna running backs
have huge You know the thing about running backs that
I've always believed that you it's hard to have a
great on line and a bad team because the O
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line is the one unit that even helps the defense
because it keeps the defense off the field. So the most,
the most unheralded unit in pro football my entire life,
is offensive line. You could have a great defensive line,
it doesn't necessarily help the offense if you don't have
a good quarterback. If you have a great offensive line,
like right now Philadelphia Detroit, it's impossible to be bad
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because it keeps your defense off the field. You pick
up more first downs on third and fourth and one,
you just play keep away from teams. Also, when you
get a lead in the second half late in games
and you want to kill the clock, no better ally
than a running back in a good old line. But
you know, I think between Saquon Barkley and this draft class,
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where running backs are in abundance, it's going to be
a really good and I will say this, I think
Genty is the best running back in the draft. The
Voisey State kid. I think the North Carolina back is
really close. Genty's got a little more maybe a little
more wiggle.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But my question isn't whether or not he's a first
round pick. I think he's got first round talent. But
when you have a draft where and Genti special. He's
got a little Saquon, He's got speed, he can jump
over guys. He's a great player. And we've seen this before.
Sauce Gardner went to a smaller school Cincinnati, he was
the best corner. It happens all the time. Holmes didn't
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go to a football power. Josh Allen went to Wyoming,
So it's nothing against Boise State. I think he's the
best back. But the question is this running back class
is so good? Can I get eighty percent of him
in the third round? And I think the answer may
be yes. But he will go somewhere and start now.
I don't think Dallas. Because Dallas signed the running back
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from Denver, I'm less inclined to believe they'll go running
back with their first pick. My guess is they'll go
best available player. I think you know what's interesting. I
looked at mock drafts last night. I do this because
I have no life, and the guy that keeps dropping,
I do not get it. Somebody is gonna get I
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don't get it. That corner from Michigan, Will Johnson, I'm
seeing him like eleven, twelve, fourteen. I'm like time out
in a week draft. You're gonna get him middle of
the first round. Maybe it's an injury thing. Anytime Will
Johnson was healthy, that is what a first round corner
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looks like. So it's funny to watch the guy's dropping
in the draft. Will Johnson Michigan. Now these are just
mock drafts, but like almost as a rule, he's like
eleven on. I'm gonna tell you something, if if a
team gets Will Johnson outside of the top ten, you
crushed it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
There was chatter of the Jets because everybody knew they
would lose a DJ Reid, But the Jets just signed
the kid, Brandon Stevens from Baltimore, So the Jets are
not taking them. I can't see Carolina taking a corner
that high Saints need a million things.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Who did you have the Giants taking Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
We're the Giants three no. I had them going Abdul Carter.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, and you have the Patriots doing Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Patriots Travis Hunts.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, if you look at the Patriots moves, it makes
sense because the Patriots went and got big, thick girth.
They went and got big, strong guys. They're still slow
in the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Probably not taking Campbell of the offensive lineman, the big kid.
They're probably not going with him.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
At four no. They went and got a tackle from
the Jets. So if you look at the Patriots, they
went and got big, strong, physical guys in the free agency.
They're probably in this draft going to go speed. So
I think they'll take Travis Hunter, they'll take a running back,
They'll they'll probably take another tight end. Patriots should go
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heavy skill in this draft because they just you can't
beat At some point Philadelphia beyond beating you up, could
beat you down the field. You need some occasional pop.
All right, good stuff today, Nick right, urban Meyer, Jordan
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, there's a lot of talk about the college football
CFP format and what they're going to do with it,
and some proposals I'll talk to urban. I will say
this about the college football media. You want automatic qualifiers.
A every other sport in the world has them. It's
easier for the fans to follow. You want automatic qualifiers.
That's obvious. And another reason you want them is because
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if you're the college football is carried by ten to
twelve programs, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Bama. You know
your big schools. You want them knowing that if they
win their conference or a vision, they get an automatic qualifier.
They're more willing to face big out of conference games,
and college football has always hit a problem. Since I
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was a kid, it's always had a big game problem
out of conference. So I am four automatic qualifiers. Urban
Meyer is now joining US seventeen seasons three national championships.
So there's a lot of stuff with CFP getting bandied
about and talking about what what are you hearing? What
are you hearing on the proposals for the College Football Playoff?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, I've actually done a little research on this and
I a friend of mine called me and said, hey,
I want to talk to you about this, and so
I said, okay. And it's a four four two two
one one yeah. Format, Yeah, it's I know it's out
there a little bit, but I did a little diving
into it, and of all the ones I've heard, it
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makes sense. It's a fourteen playoff. Now there's going to
be a big caveat and then that's going to be
the big twelve. An acc or are going to be
pissed on this thing. So or they might, they might not.
I don't know. It's big ten SEC has four yeah qualifiers.
But but here's the best thing. It takes it out
of selection and more into access. So the selection committee
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is going to be wrong. You know. It's an imperfect system.
It's been that way since the BCS, which we're part of.
That No. Six to the college football Playoff. Ohio State
was part of that in fourteen. The twelve team playoff
last year, there were some you know one r the mistakes,
who knows, But I like the idea you play into
it and then that way. There's two things that I
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love about it. Number one is it does not penalize you.
If I'm a coach in the current model, I am
not playing a tough team in the early part of
the I'm not doing that. That's going to hurt my team.
You get judged on the playoff, and that's it. If
you go on the conferences, handle the access. The Big
Ten gets four, you're certainly your guard. Right, I'm going
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to play Texas because to challenge my team. It's great
for recruiting, it's great for our fans, it's great for
the game of football. And it won't not penalize me.
If I still win the Big Ten, I'm the number
one seat.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So you and I agree, I'm a And the other
thing is I don't have So the four to four
would be SEC Big Ten, the two to two would
be the ACC and the Big twelve. And in my
takeaway is on that, well, that's obvious, like you have
to start pretending stuff doesn't exist. If you look at
the money the SEC has and the money the Big
Ten and the addition of Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Oregon, let's
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let's stop arguing about it. Those are easily the best conferences.
I would argue last year there were times the fifth
best team in the Big Ten. I was like, I
don't know if that because I think Misi, Michigan is
going to be better. I think Washington and USC are
going to be better. I think the fifth place team
in the I mean, you could have a Nebraska be
the fifth best team in the Big Ten this year
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and like be a team that can go in a
major bowl game. So I'm with you on that. Now,
do you think that's going to happen? Because I think
it's the right way too. Do you think that happens?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Let me throw in another little area that I thought.
When I heard this one, I was like, I'm all in.
It's a play in for the third fourth spots in
the Big Ten, a play in for the third fourth
spots in the SEC, and a play in for the
second or play in obviously for the ACC and the
Big twelve. And here's what I mean by playing three
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play six, four place five, the winner of that game
on that weekend, Well, now you're going to have the
Big Ten championship game and two playoff playing games that
will determine your four teams. So a sixth place Big
Ten team has a good day, they're in a playoff.
So you look at Minnesota, you look at Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, Washington, USC, UCLA,
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all those teams at the end of the year. Whoever's
fifth and six are still swinging at the end of
the year, and I just think it's great. It's great
for the game.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yet more big games that matter. And that's what separates
the NFL from college is every weekend you've got six
or eight games that are fantastic. I gotta ask you.
I want to ask you about some of these prospects
because you saw him and you know them, so you know,
there's always been this feeling about tight ends. Yeah, you know,
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they don't. It takes a while for a tight end
in college to go to the pros because they ask
you to block. So Colston Loveland and the kid Tyler
Warren are the two best tight ends in the country.
They're both Big Ten guys. Do they feel like first
round tight ends to you.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
For sure. Tyler Warren, I think was other than Jeremiah Smith,
you know, the od obvious. He's maybe the best player
in the last decade in college football. Tyler Warren. If
I'm an NFL coach drafting, I'm getting them on my
team somehow. I would trade for him. I mean he
is was a quarterback in high school. He can throw
what he did during games. He can take a direct snap.
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I met the guy and we covered him a lot.
I'm finding a way, So I think he's NFL ready.
Colston Loveland, I think is a little bit behind Tyler Warren. Yeah,
but he'll be a late first, early second I predict.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, Michigan has a history of having good tight ends.
Loveland is listen, Brock Powers is the best tight end
prospect I've ever seen. And I think people look at
these guys and go, oh, he's not Brock Powers, and
it's like, folks, that's a whole different ballgame. That kid
is that don't compare anybody to Brock Powers. So I
agree with you that's true. Now you had Ashton Genty,
so I'm gonna throw this at you. I think the
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North Carolina back is as good or better. I think
he's that good. You saw gent play. Here's my thing
the draft. The one position in this draft that is stacked.
Ohio State's got a couple is running back. It is
a stacked running back draft. So my take is, when
you watch Ashton genty, is he good enough to take
in the first round knowing I can get eighty percent
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of that in the second, third, and fourth or do
you think he is a transformational player?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I again just talking to some guys involved in the
NFL drafts. So Saquon Barkley, the running back is officially
back in the NFL. Yeah, and you know it disappeared
for a while. I was shocked when Zeke Elliott, when
they weren't paying Zeke what he was worth, and JK
Dobbins they were letting him go. Then all of a suden,
Saquon Barkley, they let the guy go, and now all
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of a sudden, he's carrying this you know, has a
big Super Bowl ring and he carried that team. So
I think absolutely, aston Jety, I don't think he's a
early pick. When I say earlier, I don't think he's
a top fifteenth pick. But I certainly think he's back
half of the first round. And once again, a year
ago or two years ago, no someone would have said,
I'm going to wait for the second or third round.
I think the run game will be coming back to
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the NFL with investment and running backs. And I think
you know the NFL in college, they're both cyclical. And
what happens is, how did you know, how did the
Eagles win the Super Bowl? How did they put it
all over the Chiefs because they ran the ball, they
stopped the run. They obviously played great defense, But when
you can control the line of scrimmage and run the football,
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I mean, that's the way we won championships. That's how
you win.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Let me ask you about So I'm going to tell
you I think this is the most underretted player in
the draft. He's going to go in the second round.
And I think we're talking about Cam and Schador Sanders
and I'm like, just keep your own on Kyle McCord.
He can spin it.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I think wow. I think he's now again. I don't
think he's a first round talent. He was at Ohio State,
he was very good. He went to Syracuse. His numbers
are insane. Am I reaching here? I tell you, I
watch a lot of this stuff YouTube clips. I'm like,
there's a second third round pick every year at quarterback,
every other year. What do you make of him?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, I know Kyle McCord well obviously covering him. I
know the guys that coached them very well. They love
the guy, very disappointed when he left. I think another
year under his belt at Ohio State. It might not
have been Syracuse type numbers because they had to share
the wealth a little bit. But I certainly think he's
in it. I don't man, you said first round, call it.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I said second, second round.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Okay, I could see second, maybe third, Yeah, but I
can see a guy playing in the NFL for eight
nine years.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Absolutely, Okay, yeah, yeah, it's a it is a week
quarterback draft in the NFL is quarterback desperate. So somebody
may reach mid second round. But I think there's talent
there now. Now, I like Schador Sanders. I love cams
talent and traits. I like Shador and the the reason
I like him is he had no run game and
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allows the O line, so he has had to initiate
offense his whole life. And I think, as you know,
in the NFL, when you go to a top seven
or eight team. That's your reality battle line. You gotta
make plays. What would concern you about Shadoor Sanders?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Again, I did a little research because our Big New
Are Triple Option podcast is going to the draft that
I called a GM friend of mine, and he has
really slipped a little bit here. Yeah, And the reason
he's slipping is they're looking at the competition that he played.
I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, because
what I saw, I saw a guy that's ethnic enough
to get out of trouble, a live arm, stays alive,
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competes his butt off, and he's always on the run.
Because his offense line struggled certainly last year and this
year they're a little bit better the offense line in Colorado,
but not much so. But I understand there's a throughout
the NFL there's a concern about if he can make
the throw in the tight windows because in the Big
twelve Conference he didn't have to do that very much,
and he was You look at his big plays, a
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lot of them were on the run, and you know
that's that's not necessarily what if they're looking for in
the NFL, they want a guy that dropped back and
make that tight window throw. There's some question marks. If
he can do that.
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Speaker 1 (10:50):
Trevion Henderson running back at Ohio State. The other kid
is Quinn Shawn Judgkins. Judkins all Ohio States always got
talent at skill positions. These are two very very good
running backs. If I was drafting the two Ohio State
running backs, what do you like? What would worry you?
What do you make of him?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I don't know enough because about quin Shawn, you know,
he was you know, he was a backup this year.
I know he came and he was supposed to split time,
but Travion was the back and traveon from his The
last two years of football was night and day. Because
up until the end of last year and then this year,
I would I was worried about him. I was worried
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about if he's you know, we used to call him
one hit back where he gets hit and he goes down.
That's not the case anymore. Uh. He developed into a
guy that can break tackles. He's always had elite speed,
but if he really studied him two years ago, he
got he got, he got whatever the offensive line gave him. Yeah,
that's no longer the case. He rips through tackles now,
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he's a much improved I don't know if it's strength training,
I don't know if it's confidence, but he developed into
a back that can make people miss and rip two tackles.
He was not that two years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, that tells me he's a worker.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
So I like that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That tells me he put in.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
The time in the gym. I'm all for that, right,
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I want to throw this at you one more guy.
I think there's an argument after Abdul Carter's just the
best pro prospect. I don't worry too much about the surgery.
I saw him eat alive tackles. Now he's just nobody
could block him. What do you make of him? I thought,
even against Ohio State, certain guys just pop and you're like,
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like Mason Grant, Will Johnson the corner for Michigan when
he was healthy. I'm like, Okay, that's a first round player.
What do you make of abdul Carter? The injury?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Would it worry you No, it would worry me. I
do I do. Everything worries you as you're starting to
invest that kind of money and that kind of capital
into a player. But whenever you look at a player,
you all say, and it's a little bit like high
school and a recruited kid, a player that comes from
a great high school, a Xavier in Cincinnati, and you
figure he's maximized. How much better can he get? Abdul
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Carter's only relatively new at that defensive end position. He's
I think he's still going into his body, So I
think there's as good as he is, there's still plenty
of upsides. So but I would argue that it'd be
hard for me to not take Travis Hunter with that
first pick. I just I love that guy. I think
he's a once in a generation, once in a lifetime player.
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He can do things that I've not seen people do.
His stamina, the quality of kid that I've done some
homework on him. We covered him a few times. He's big.
I want to say, he's close to sixty three. We
had him on our set with us and I was
shocked how big he is. So I think it's either
Travis Hunter or it's going to be abdul Carter.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
All right, would you like him to play corner and receiver?
Would you scale that back? Would you? I you know
I coaches probably want him to play receiver because you
can get the ball to him twelve times. What would
you do?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I would never say this other than that guy, I'd
play him both ways. I would train him. I mean,
I've never seen Colin. On the one hundred and sixtieth
play of the game, he's blocking guys twenty five thirty
yards downfield, and he at the end of the game
he's as strong. I know it's college, and I get
that I'm gonna I'm sure some people say it's college.
It's college. I get that, but I in my lifetime,
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I'm not seeing a guy do that. Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I still think you're shocked by my Kyle McCord take.
I think you're that just its unsettled you. You didn't
even know call me.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm not I did when you said first round, I
would have pumped the brakes a little bit, but certainly
second And what kind of person is the fact he
went he got a little arrogance to him, got a
little uh, went and showed what he can do on
his own So no, I you did shock me first,
but I'd say second or third.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, I'm just a clickbait guy, you know me. Okay,
finally we got I had Ryan day On by the way,
I had Ryan Dan last week. He was so emotional,
he was so good. I mean, the guy was just
so good for me. Hard to root against him. And
but you've won national championships. I only remember you not
liking one of your teams. It was a Florida team
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that went to a bowl game and too many of
the guys won. Yeah, you didn't like that team wore
you out most of the time.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
You left Constant Constanta.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, hey, you know that happens. Okay, so you win
a national champion, Chip Kelly leaves, you got nil guys
moving around, so it's a different world. But what is
the hardest part of coming back as a national champion?
Something that maybe I wouldn't figure out that you you
had to literally sit down with your staff and say, okay,
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we got to play some psychologists here, what's the hard parts?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And you put it on the players. I think it's
the staff, you know, I think the staff, and then
that leads to your players. Everybody changes in twenty and sixteen,
the Chicago Cubs won the World Series. Joe Madden's a
dear friend of mine. I went up to visit him
in spring of twenty seventeen. I'm sitting in his office.
He is absolutely miserable, and I believe they were in
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first place still. And he said, this team, they're hard
to coach, they're hard to be around. I'm just I'm
really struggling with his team. And he says he did
some homework in the NHL, NFL, Major League Baseball, NBA
college football, college basketball, how hard it is. The percentage
to repeat is very extremely low. I don't know the number.
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I want to say it's single digits. My own nine
team was better than the eight national champion Florida Gators.
My fifteen team, when I say better, more talented. My
fifteen team in Ohio State was more talented than the
fourteen Ohio State team, but we didn't win it. Why
Because it's different. It's just different. There's always issues there.
It just seems like when you're climbing the mountain, it
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takes energy and passion. When you're on top of the mountain,
it just you just taken arrows, so energy and passion
first taking arrows.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
By the way, what golf tournament, What cushy golf tournament
are you in today? By the way, you got another
one today.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I'm not I'm doing Colin Coward on our podcast, and
golf tournament starts up again tomorrow. Though.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's a you has quite a life you've carved out
for yourself. A little jealous, to be honest with you,
you could you could.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Invite me to one of those things occasionally, I wouldn't see.
You'll call if you work really hard someday. And I'm
just kidding. All was great to be with you, man.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That was great to see Urban Meyer. Thanks coach. Thanks, Yeah,
I agree with Urban I'm i I Big twelve can
get upset in the ACC. You've your lot four four
two two one one. I'm good with that. SEC Big
ten have separated. I mean, they were better before they
added Washington, Oregon, se UCLA. They were better before they
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added Texas Oklahoma. So like, let don't let's don't make arguments. Well,
the ACC what about it? I mean, Clemson can't figure
out the transfer portal. And I I watched that SMU,
I watched that game.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
How'd that look?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Not great?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So that Kyle McCord there that through them for a
little loopy Yeah. I got a lot of conn in
the Pro League, and I like to throw a little
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spring training game. Then many Major League Baseball teams will
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I mean it's uh, it's good. And now this year
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Speaker 7 (20:20):
All right, Colin, Let's start with Saquon Barkley being the
best free agent edition last offseason, and it didn't take
long for Howie Roseman to reward him with the biggest
running back contract in the NFL. The narrative around free
agent running backs has changed in large part thanks to
Saquon Barkley, and he hopes younger backs feel the impact.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
I hope it does what it is supposed to do.
You know, every other position, the value increases each year.
For beach Onhn's the Gibbs, and.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I know Cook.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Cook is up to all those guys who are up
and able to get paid, and I hope they're hope
they beat it. That's kind of how I look at it.
I'm now one of those guys I don't care for,
you know, like, oh, is this guy get paid more
than me? I'm not like that's what the sport is about.
And no building the position up. You know, like I said,
all those young guys that's underneath me right now, when
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they get when there's a time, you know, hopefully they
be in a max val even more.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
No, I don't know, will there be a trickle down
like that? I'm not sure. Six one Special he was
a No.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I think it's a great running back draft class. I
saw the Cowboys. You see the Cowboys big move. We'll
talk about that here and yeah, so it's a it's
a Sean Payton nows. It's a good running back draft class.
You're not seeing a lot of running backs move in
the free agent market. Part of it is the draft
class is so good for running backs.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
But this is how bad the Giants with I just
saw that Darius Slayton got offered more money three for
thirty eight thirty eight million for three years.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Then the Giants were willing to offer Saquon Barkley last
year at this.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Time Darius Slayton because they're desperate with the Giants really
butcher decision they're not.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Joe Shane is fortunate that the mara is patient.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
We've got to stay of execution. But I don't see
him lasting after the season. Let's move on to the Chargers, Colin.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
They moved on from Joey Bosa, but decided to get
one more year out of Khalil Mack. Los Angeles keeps
Max for his twelfth NFL season. Boards at the Charger,
Max said he has unfinished business with the Chargers, but
Jay guys.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Means winning a playoff game. Maybe I don't know. He
knows the potential for the group.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I was told last year when Harbaugh arrived that the
Chargers that sort of identified Khalil Mack is the one
they would keep more of a team leader. They felt
he was good in the room, he was good for
the young players. Khalil Mack has been better than I
thought he would be for them. I thought he was
kind of tail end of his career. I think he's
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been great for them, and I think that I think, listen,
you have to make choices. Mike Williams, they liked him,
got hurt too much. They let him go. Keenan Allen injuries,
Bosa injuries, So Harball's having to make tough choices. But
I will what I've been told inside the building is
they really think Khalil Mack puts in the effort he
helps young players. He kind of galvanizes the room. Harball
(23:16):
loves that. So he has been a really good player.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Yeah, I know if the Chargers have had a weirdly
quiet free agency so far, well they don't win the mix.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
For Davonte, Well, how did that happen?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, I think if you look at what they need,
I think they look at it and think I think
they kicked the tires on DK Metcalf, but the Steelers
overpaid him. They lost Palmer the wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So Omery he's like their number two or three receivers.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I wouldn't be shocked if the if the paid, if
the Chargers didn't go grab like a second tier receiver
here in the next day or two. But I think
they're going to draft wide receiver. I don't think it's
a dret wide receiver class. But I think if you
if I had to guess what the Chargers are going
to do, they're going to take a tight end Loveland
from Michigan with their first pick, that is my guess.
And then after that they're gonna go get another rush
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end to replace Bosa. Then they're gonna go back to
the wide receiver. Well, it'll be skilled players. They'll get
another running back as well.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
I just in a city where it isn't really Rams
versus Chargers, but it is a battle for relevant.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Rams are winning that because they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
To see the Rams get Devonte Adams and the Chargers
needing receiver not be in the mix a little depressing
if you're Charges.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But Harbaugh's history college and pro is He's never been
a guy that spends a lot of money on the perimeter.
He is tackles in so he loves tight ends because
they block and they're tough and physical. That's why he
loves Herbert. He's tough and he's physical. They could have
gotten Brian Thomas or a star receiver last year in
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the first round, they chose Notre Dame's tackle. Ryan Thomas
was excellent and by the way, Harball loved him. So
it came down to Joe Alter Brian Tom. I was
told Harball thought he was great. Their front office loved him.
But Harbaugh's that's not he's gonna do. I mean, when
he was in San Francisco, Michael Crabtree was a good receiver.
He was their guy. He won a Natty at Michigan.
They had like one big time receiver. They read. By
(25:09):
the way, this is so Harball. They re signed Bradley
Boseman their center, great kid, you know, multi year deal.
So what does he care about? The big uglies? So
that that's just who Harbaugh is. It's worked for him
for the record. If you look at his brother with
the Ravens, what's the one position they've been wonky? Wide receiver.
(25:30):
They've been good at tight end, O line, D line, linebacker,
corner A Ravens of bow has been a little hit
and miss on wide receiver. The culture of the Harbaugh's
beach up at the line of scrimmag Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Smart.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Speaking of ugly, you said the big uglies. How about
the Dallas Cowboys? Oh boy, it's been ugly and listen,
the audience.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Has to love it.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
We've haven't talk cowboys at all today. I don't know,
maybe not even yesterday. But Colin, they cleared Capa based
last week and they did it to get Javonte Williams.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Not bad, not be he No, he's a good get.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think they got it for three million dollars for
three and a.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Half million for one one year.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, Sean pon great running. Sean Payton lets him go
because Sean Payton's take is it's a great running back class.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Jerry doesn't see that.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well, no, but they're desperate. They have the worst running
back room in the league. So I like Javonte Willis.
I think the Cowboys will draft another running back. They
are so they have to. Oh god, they've got nothing there.
So I think Javonte Williams, it to me would be
a really good uh a week one, but a really good.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Job in Denver to unknown.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But listen for Dallas. If they don't draft for running back,
he's your starter.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
They got a draft one. They also added offensive guard
Rob Jones.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
What did they pay?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
He is on a one year deal four point seventy
five million. And they got, of course the long snapper,
which you made for.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh yeah, I love that move I got.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
If you're a Cowboys fan, you are just tipped off right.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Now, these moves, no non factors, nothing right.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I don't see it out. Good news is we want
have to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You know they're not gonna be so free agency is
official tomorrow. I think Thursday, I may do my first
you know, because I do. I do my division predictions
after free agency after coaching hires and free agency. I
do one, and then I do one after the draft,
because then you have your coaching hires, free agency draft.
(27:26):
Then I wait through the summer and I do two
more the small tweaks. But I think I think Thursday
I will be able to have my first. You know,
last year we had a good year. We nailed the AFC.
So I think Thursday we're gonna say, okay, this is
this is what's gonna look like.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
NFC Thursday and AFC Friday are both of the one day.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's a good call.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'll do that. Because I'm working a full week this week.
I decided, you know what I'm gonna give the I'm
gonna give itn that for I'm not gonna mail in
Friday this week.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You mail in Friday last week. Kind of I couldn't tell.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I didn't get im so locked in I didn't. I
was like Luca, I played on one end, not the other,
and you can played a lot. So the officials, our
producer all right, J Mack with the news, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Who I was just looking at this highest paid running
backs in the league right now. They It was just
a couple of years ago people were freaking out nobody
pays running backs. That they're fine, They're gonna running backs
have huge You know the thing about running backs that
I've always believed that you it's hard to have a
great on line and a bad team because the O
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line is the one unit that even helps the defense
because it keeps the defense off the field. So the most,
the most unheralded unit in pro football my entire life,
is offensive line. You could have a great defensive line,
it doesn't necessarily help the offense if you don't have
a good quarterback. If you have a great offensive line,
like right now Philadelphia Detroit, it's impossible to be bad
(29:02):
because it keeps your defense off the field. You pick
up more first downs on third and fourth and one,
you just play keep away from teams. Also, when you
get a lead in the second half late in games
and you want to kill the clock, no better ally
than a running back in a good old line. But
you know, I think between Saquon Barkley and this draft class,
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where running backs are in abundance, it's going to be
a really good and I will say this, I think
Genty is the best running back in the draft. The
Voisey State kid. I think the North Carolina back is
really close. Genty's got a little more maybe a little
more wiggle.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But my question isn't whether or not he's a first
round pick. I think he's got first round talent. But
when you have a draft where and Genti special. He's
got a little Saquon, He's got speed, he can jump
over guys. He's a great player. And we've seen this before.
Sauce Gardner went to a smaller school Cincinnati, he was
the best corner. It happens all the time. Holmes didn't
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go to a football power. Josh Allen went to Wyoming,
So it's nothing against Boise State. I think he's the
best back. But the question is this running back class
is so good? Can I get eighty percent of him
in the third round? And I think the answer may
be yes. But he will go somewhere and start now.
I don't think Dallas. Because Dallas signed the running back
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from Denver, I'm less inclined to believe they'll go running
back with their first pick. My guess is they'll go
best available player. I think you know what's interesting. I
looked at mock drafts last night. I do this because
I have no life, and the guy that keeps dropping,
I do not get it. Somebody is gonna get I
(30:43):
don't get it. That corner from Michigan, Will Johnson, I'm
seeing him like eleven, twelve, fourteen. I'm like time out
in a week draft. You're gonna get him middle of
the first round. Maybe it's an injury thing. Anytime Will
Johnson was healthy, that is what a first round corner
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looks like. So it's funny to watch the guy's dropping
in the draft. Will Johnson Michigan. Now these are just
mock drafts, but like almost as a rule, he's like
eleven on. I'm gonna tell you something, if if a
team gets Will Johnson outside of the top ten, you
crushed it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
There was chatter of the Jets because everybody knew they
would lose a DJ Reid, But the Jets just signed
the kid, Brandon Stevens from Baltimore, So the Jets are
not taking them. I can't see Carolina taking a corner
that high Saints need a million things.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Who did you have the Giants taking Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
We're the Giants three no. I had them going Abdul Carter.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, and you have the Patriots doing Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Patriots Travis Hunts.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, if you look at the Patriots moves, it makes
sense because the Patriots went and got big, thick girth.
They went and got big, strong guys. They're still slow
in the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Probably not taking Campbell of the offensive lineman, the big kid.
They're probably not going with him.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
At four no. They went and got a tackle from
the Jets. So if you look at the Patriots, they
went and got big, strong, physical guys in the free agency.
They're probably in this draft going to go speed. So
I think they'll take Travis Hunter, they'll take a running back,
They'll they'll probably take another tight end. Patriots should go
(32:26):
heavy skill in this draft because they just you can't
beat At some point Philadelphia beyond beating you up, could
beat you down the field. You need some occasional pop.
All right, good stuff today, Nick right, urban Meyer, Jordan
Schultz love today's show.
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